CPS Board Business Meeting April 7, 2025

001Nobody heard the first one. Seeing a quorum of voting members, I call the April 7th Cincinnati School Board meeting to order. Treasure Wag, don't you forget me. Uh, Mr. Craig here. Mr. Crosset here. Mr. Lendy here. Miss M here. Mrs. Weinberg here. Vice President Bolton present. President Moff here. Superintendent Murphy, please introduce our wonderful students, I believe, from Evston Academy that are virtually Well, please introduce our students that are leading us in the flag. Happy to do so. For president, uh we do have our wonderful students from Evston Academy today where principal Brittany Tutor is responsible. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. That's a beautiful day with beautiful kids. Thank you,

002Treasure. Uh, Vice President Bolton, please explain the virtual hearing of the public process. Thank you very much. Uh, members of the public who uh are online and wish to speak during our hearing of the public this evening may do so by clicking the chat button. Now, the chat feature will open for your requests for five minutes. If you would like a direct response to your questions, please make sure to share your name, your affiliation to the district, your school community, your topic, and your contact information. Thank you. The chair will now entertain a motion and a second to approve the April 7th business meeting agenda. So move. Second. Thank you. Treasure Wagner, please call the voting role. What are there? Is there any discussion around that? Good. Treasure Wagner's on you. Mr. Craig, yes. Mr.

003Crosset, yes. Mr. Lindy, yes. Miss M? Yes. Mrs. Weinberg? Yes. Vice President Bolton? Yes. President Malin? Yes. Tonight's agenda is approved as posted. Let's get to it. Superintendent Murphy, please update the board about your following recommendation. Yes, ma'am. So, first up, we have a recommendation for the board following a presentation uh previously around our athletic directors, I believe, is what we're scheduled. Thank you, Rob. And so, essentially on uh the projected item, you see two options for bringing back the athletic directors to Cincinnati public school. First option is they would assume a position of school community coordinator. The second option is they would be assumed as members under Cass or administrator uh union so to speak. Uh the the additional recommendation is that they would become uh transitioned into CPS uh by August the 1st

004at the latest. And you can see uh a timeline also presented there. So by August the 1st, 2025 at the latest is what our recommendation is to bring our ads back and have them report to the schoolhouse principles. Board members, any discussion or comments or questions? Board member Craig. Um let me start by saying I want to thank you for bringing this back to us and I think bringing us a plan of action as to the steps in that process. Um, I would say like my initial thought and I'm trying to remember and understand so I want to make sure I'm giving right information is that they're currently not hourly, right? They're currently salary based on they're getting paid through there. So, I mean, I think naturally transitioning him in through a salary approach because

005I know the athletic uh directors do a lot of stuff off schedule and that did seem to be one of the concerns that expressed in there is having them hourly would potentially raise you having substantial overtime or substantial flexing of needs in some ways that may not necessarily work as well. Um, but the only other question I kind of had in this is just in that process at what point do we do the or what point would your team be doing that assessment of which schools need what and like where are athletic directors what are their needs and skills for the different schools? Absolutely. So, uh, they would typically be in our high schools and I don't imagine, uh, unless there was some natural transition of our current ads not wanting to continue, but I

006don't see that we would have a replacement process. So, our ideal at this point is the current ads we have would be the ads we would continue with. And I must say since you complimented the the work, I do want to credit uh our our athletic director Josh Harden and uh the assistant superintendent responsible for that work, Amy Randolph. And then one other thought or maybe question as well is are there any positions that are currently not or that either are currently not filled or would be expected to not be filled currently that we would have to start a process for? I do not think there are any unfilled. Thank you. I thought you were here. Hi Josh. There are no vacancies at this time. Well, member Weinberg. Yes. Thank you so much. As board

007member Craig stated, thank you for coming back um and giving us this information. I know the last time that you presented or last time I had questions, so I just have a couple of comments before I get to my um question. Well, I'm going to ask my question first, then I'll get to my comment. So on the portion where you have um kind of defining option two, can you just elaborate a little bit more on bullet three and then also bullet four? I'm just making sure to clarify the avoiding manager director and then also talking a little bit about this at a lower salary range from what I'm reading. Can you just clarify those two? Yes, ma'am. So uh currently our athletic directors are making a salary in terms of what we send to activities

008beyond the classroom that is not aligned with the cast collective bargaining agreement. And so what we are approaching them about is creating another level maybe I shouldn't say a lower level but another level uh in order to align uh with the work that they currently do in their current structure. And that's the only reason that uh language around the third bullet is there. Uh we also we currently call them athletic directors but so that it does not confuse how we currently in CPS think of the director level in CAS we may need to find another name or terminology for that work just so that there's no confusion. Okay. And that was going to be my next question um in regards to what are you thinking um as a possible suggestion for replacing that name of

009athletic director. Um but I guess that will come along once we kind of decide something based off of the recommendations that you've given us. In the past we've talked about in the far distant past um not only have they been responsible for athletics but all activities that run through the schoolhouse. So it could be something around activities coordinator or um somewhere in that range. Okay. Thank you, Vice President Bolton. Yes. Thank you very much. And just your last comment almost uh precludes what I was going to say, but again years ago the concept was that the ads uh athletic directors would be activities coordinators. uh and uh as a person spent a lot of time extracurricular activity, high school in the arts uh and leadership clubs and all the other things uh I would hope

010that that expanded view would also warrant u the additional responsibilities would warrant additional accountability but also compensation. Thank you board member map and then board member Lindy. Yes. So thank you for this um outline. My question is very similar. Um, so as it pertains to the school community coordinator, is this going to be in conflict with our resource coordinators or what would this scope of practice look like here specifically? No, no, ma'am. Uh, absolutely not. Uh, we put school community coordinator for a couple of different reasons. One, we used to have some of our athletic directors who were labeled as school community coordinators. I will tell you our team is leaning more towards Cass, but because that has to be agreed upon, I am not yet in a position to simply say that's what it

011is. And so that's why at this point there are still two options, but absolutely not to be confused with resource coordinators. Okay. Thank you. So, I do uh think I value uh option two uh best, but in the event that it was to be presented differently with option one, it I I do think that there would need to be some type of delineation to make sure that there isn't a direct conflict. Yes, board member Lindy. Um thank you. And I I apologize if you addressed this already, Superintendent, but I see option one, option two, and then option one a second time. um on the version that's on the screen were there supposed to be three options. So that was uh at one time in the transition uh we had talked about and that's probably simply

012um a typo miss on my part. Uh this was going to be about transition. So in the past we talked about a transition over a period of years or right away. I in my opinion don't think it's necessary at this point to do it over a period of years. So, uh, this probably is simply a typo. So, two options. And then my question was gonna be, and I think you may have just answered this in, um, addressing board member maps question, but what your recommendation? My recommendation is going to be that they would transition August 2025. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, option one versus option two. Which one is the one you think is the best one? Oh, I think the second one, option two, is the best one. Thank you very much. And I just

013have one question. Do we know about what the cost savings would be with either of those options or just bringing them back in house? What would the Would there be a cost savings? Would there be a flatline? It's equivalent there. There is a cost savings that was shared in the previous presentation. Since Josh is here, I'm going to ask if he happens to remember what was in that deck. Um, I do remember initially it was I'll repeat it. I'll repeat it unless they're gonna ask more questions. That's okay. Yeah, I think it was initially uh a little bit over a 100,000. Uh but there there was some further communication with ABC on some things that they had uh with the conversation around the foundation. um a a good bulk of that savings came from the

014administrative fee that they said would be waved. Um so ultimately uh there would be some savings um or or even Okay. Thank you. Do board members have any other questions? Yes, board member Weinberg. I don't have a question and I didn't know if we wanted to completely finish um the presentation before asking. So, Superintendent Murphy, do you need a vote on this? I would love to have a vote. Okay. Is there a motion? So, yes, ma'am. Um, I'll go ahead and take and say the motion. Um, but first again, I just wanted to thank the superintendent for voicing um that you want definitely to have our athletic directors back into our district. And I would like to make the motion that we accept your option of option two um under the Cass school athletic director

015equivalent with some further um I guess discussions needed. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion further? Let's vote. Treasure Wagner. Mr. Craig. Yes. Mr. Crosset. Yes. Mr. Lindy. Yes. Miss M. Yes. Mrs. Weinberg. Yes. Vice President Bolton. Yes. President Moffett. Yes. I just want to point out what was the vote total there of Treasurer Wagner. What was the vote total yet there? That was seven to nothing. Ah, I'm pointing that out. We are all agreeing. I got the mic. I'm going to say it. Thank you. So, um, present the next topic. Um, yes, ma'am. So this one is also uh returning to the conversation around resource coordinators and we looked at this proposal based on our upcoming corridor model. So on the next slide, next few slides you'll see uh based on coordinate cord corridors

016I'm sorry east, central and west the names of the schools our proposed uh number or level of resource coordination that would be provided and that decision was made sorry based on the number of students in each of the schools. And so you'll see that uh on the next three slides. And then uh we looked at districtwide uh a few changes there. And we've also designated which sites are clicky sites because we don't uh clickie handles the resource coordinator in terms of salaries um on their own and we appreciate it. Thank you. And then at this point I'm on slide six looking at the high schools and two of the high schools are clicky sites and we would maintain the resource coordinators in the high schools. Superintendent Murphy, can you define what Clickie is for those

017that don't know? Yes, ma'am. That's one of our lead agencies, Community Learning Center Institute. Uh just one of our many lead agencies. Then at this point on slide seven we are referring to these as growing sites which what we mean by that based on the number of students enrolled we would propose a sharing of a single resource coordinator. So all of those we haven't configured out which goes with which how they would be partnered but similar to other work in our district where we have a 0.5 or or half uh of FTE in a position. This would follow that same model that we currently use in Cincinnati public schools. And then where we are proposing that there would not be a resource coordinator on page eight, slide eight. Um we would not have one at

018the following locations. Uh Bramble uh Gilligan and Virtual Riverview East and the Rising Star locations. We feel really good about the rising star locations because uh director Brooks currently has FSAs. FSAs stands for family service assistants who will work with the families and make sure that the young people have what they need. uh with our transitioning Riverview East. Uh we felt that that was rational with um virtual and digital and the number of students and the digital students not necessarily coming into the building is why we are making that um proposal. There we are. Bramble Bramble just the size of the building right now perhaps will grow to a resource coordinator but for now we thought we would be okay. Also there's preschool is there an FSA at Bramble? There is an FSA at the

019Bramble location because of the preschoolers. Thank you. Do board members have any questions board member Craig? Um so again want to thank you for bringing this back to the forefront here and and I want to maybe I guess clarify one point and then give a thought afterwards but there were schools currently as we have our current setup who are sharing a resource coordinator or have a non full-time resource coordinator currently correct yes those are currently in our preschools uh with one lead agency kind of covering those but we're looking at making that edit and and I do think this is an important part of the conversation around resour resource coordinators because I think what we are what is going on and I want to give credit to um to the staff who brought presentations before

020us. Um with regards to we have to sometimes think about the resource coordinator role in a different way than we historically have had the conversation because historic conversation's just been resource coordinator and that's blanket. And what we know is that each school, you know, each level of school has different needs and each school may have different needs for what a resource coordinator would do at that particular school. Um, and so I I appreciate you taking the time to kind of go through and look at what are those resources and needs. Again, the only schools that would not have some form of services have some other form of support. Yes. Or um have, you know, are in a particular situation, especially even with Riverview, there there is not a non-reason that the resource coordinator who's working

021with Spencer could not provide assistance to students who were at Riverview also. Yes, sir. Um, so I mean I don't know that there's anyone on the list there of the ones that would not have that would be without That's right. some form of support. Uh, so I appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Yes, sir. Well, member Wineberg. Yes. Thank you so much. And I actually was going to ask that same question about if uh Spencer could possibly share and help out with Riverview. Um, I just wanted to kind of have an understanding on the list that you showed where you have schools that you're deciding on based on how they're growing versus the preschools and the schools not having a resource coordinator. Um, can you just go into a little bit more of why?

022Yes, ma'am. The the reasoning or the rationale behind both of those decisions, the rationale for preschool. And then one other thing and then after that, could you just also share your recommendation? I know when you first shared this, you had a couple of different options where it had different months, etc. Can you go into that a little bit further as well? Yes, ma'am. So, uh the rationale around preschool is because uh director Brooks provides the preschools with that FSA uh role, we feel that we can basically cover the needs of the children there. In terms of the growing uh schools, those are our smaller schools where we feel not wanting to pull back completely the resource coordination, but we do feel that we're in a position to share uh amongst that list of schools only

023because of the size. And with the size, what would be the maybe the biggest number that you would go? Because as you're showing in this particular slide here, let me go back to it. I think the numbers are Yes. So if they have like an enrollment 323 302. So if you're combining those then what's your number that you might be trying to reach towards for them to share? Well, you'll see a few with a larger number. Um I would say my number is 350 just based on how we currently with other roles in CPS assign a 0.5. You do see one school a little bit higher. um when we checked into that, their preschool numbers um is something that we could consider. And so that's why that those schools are listed. If we're looking at

024a 350 number for a full-time resource coordinator, which I still think is a little tight. I think it's still a little tight, um is kind of where I think I would base that. Okay. And then what was your recommendation in regards to Yes, ma'am. So, my recommendation uh would be to this plan will allow us to uh reduce our budget for the fiscal year 26 by $700,000. And that is also listed in my uh recommendations today. And I do want to also give credit where credit is due to our school community partnership team led by uh Mr. see our badget. Are you done board member one? I am. Okay. Now, vice president B. Thank you very much. Uh uh the in the previous meeting I think there the savings was greater. Uh this I think

025and again I'm social studies teacher. uh represents about 17 18% uh savings whereas the other one was 25%. Can you describe Yes ma'am. why uh you've opted to save less. Yes ma'am. Uh so after the original presentation the feedback that we got was around um the hardship going from a 12 month or year round employee or person to being 11 month would be just really hard um to work through. And so trying to be as sensitive to things like that as possible is what changed it from about a million dollars from Kilme Jen to the 700,000. Thank you. And um there are very few things uh that we do that are such a signature piece for us. And I also know and it's at this point of personal privilege knows that the superintendent uh has

026been very devoted to um community learning centers. And so making any kind of cuts I know are difficult, but that's where we are. Um making those kinds of cuts. I do want to also agree with um member Craig that where we may not have a full resource coordinator um that the the role that uh director Brooks pointed out but also the idea that where there is not a resource coordinator that the the principal will need additional support in some other way. Um and I appreciate um the efforts that are being made to make this um more sustainable uh because very frankly it's only been in the last two years that the boards uh and the administration has actually tried to live by the policy of the board which is that every school would be uh

027a community learning center with a full resource coordinator uh in house. So, uh, great effort, but right now we're not in that kind of financial situation to do that, but appreciate the effort that's been made. Thank you, Lindy. Thank you very much. Um, in this proposal looking to next year, is it the case that all the lead agencies will stay the same? Not necessarily. Can you say more about just how that might So what we Yes sir. What we also consider in this big picture, you'll recall that twice a year uh the lead agency makes an assessment and the LSDMC makes an assessment of the work and so we consider that as well. And so there may be some lead agencies who do not want to continue with us. We have had that before uh

028and vice versa. Mhm. Any other discussion? All right. So, you have a recommendation. Do you need us to vote on this? I would love that. Okay. So, is there a motion on the floor to accept the superintendent's recommendation? Just Yes, sir. One question. If since it's in the superintendent's recommendations, um is it okay if we vote through there or do we want to do both votes? I I'm not opposed either way, but I just You can I don't Let me ask I'm gonna just not act like I know the answer to that. Can we just do it, Dan, with um by accepting her recommendation or do we need to formally vote on her presentation? Okay. Well, we'll vote on it when we get there. Thank you. Moving on to the next topic. I will present

029the next topic. Board members, you received an invitation request from um Oh, wait. I think we just that was it. You received an invitation request regarding an appointment to the ABC board, the foundation board. And so we need to discuss two things. A board member CPS board member appointment and then a comm C CPS community member appointment to the ABC Foundation board. The community member would begin uh after school is over and the board member appointment. We need to decide. Right now, there are two members that are appointed to the ABC to represent CPS on ABC. However, since ABC has changed, we need to figure out if we want to change that formally, make it just one person the remaining of the year. What do you all want to do? And then we need to

030give that name today to the ABC CEO, Sally Grimes. Yes, ma'am. I have a question. Uh, since it's an appointment of a board member and perhaps a community member, could general counsel tell us whether or not this is the kind of thing we could decide and discuss uh and then come out and vote on uh in executive session. Is this a executive material? I I would hate for us to uh start chopping names around publicly if we don't have to at this time. Appointment of a public official is appropriate uh for exact session but could also be discussed in public at the board's discretion. Yes, we've we've done this with regard to the CPP appointment. We discussed it publicly. So, I don't think it's out of order. However, not at all. The board members did

031receive an invitation. And so I need I asked you all would anyone consider and I just needed to hear back one way or the other. And then we also needed to discuss are we merging the two positions that are currently because Mr. Crosset Vice President Bolton currently sit as liaison for the ABC as our from our January organizational meeting. Since ABC now looks different. It's a foundation now and there's one seat. We need to decide, are we going to keep those two seats for the remainder of this year or are we going to just have one person for the remainder of the year as our appointed person for the ABC foundation? I think I think it makes sense knowing what the agreement is uh to create the foundation that it moved to one instead of

032two. uh and then also the effort that we will make to uh try to select a community uh representative of for us to also sit on the board. So we have kind of two folks as my recollection besides the treasurer and the superintendent. It's a board member and a community member that would then serve on the uh foundation board. That is correct. It is a one board member and then one board appointed community member. And there is potentially space for two because they the foundation are increasing their number of board members. And so I got a call from Sally Miss uh Miss Grimes sharing that there is the possibility of two seats, community seats. So we have the potential to make this just like the preschool promise board where there are two community member seats

033and then one board appointed seat. So, and I think the agreement says if the if the numbers don't keep at 25% 25%. So, you're right about the increases but is there a board does anyone prefer one way or the other miss? I just have a question about when is the um the finalized date that we would have to submit this information to ABC because that may give us a little bit more time to kind of process through um before we just abruptly make a decision. Um I know that the expectation is to um start serving in that position um during the summer, but when is their actual date that they need us to submit this information? So, the ABC Foundation would like the CPS board member appointment name by the end of the day today.

034That's why I sent that to you all uh about a week and a half ago via our admin, Miss Phyllis. And the communityapp appointed the CPS communityappointed uh board seats for ABC Foundation can be done in May by May, but they would like to get the they would like to have a meeting and they would like to know who from the CPS board is sitting on that. So, [Music] um I guess there's two things up for discussion. Would you like to keep the two appointed seats that we currently have that were from the ABC the previous ABC formation and just have one of those two choices or would you like to someone else like to potentially sit for the remainder of the year? I don't think we need to maintain the two. Um and uh

035I'm not uh as one of those two. I'm not particularly interested in being the board member that is on the uh uh foundation board. Um, but I would suggest that we do, one of the things that the foundation folks have have expressed is the an interest in having somebody that's obviously committed to it, but also can meet their qualifications, which in part is being a board member that can uh generate a great deal of support uh in in uh uh the effort. So, but no, we don't need to. And and I would I would certainly suggest that u member crosset be at least one of the people we consider to be on the foundation board. Is there any interest in anyone else? Board member Crosset. Sure. I'm I'm uh I'm happy to serve based on

036board member Bolton's suggestion. Okay. I I do have uh I had seven years experience with on the Greater Cincinnati Foundation Finance Committee and I've had four years experience with the Foundation University of Cincinnati Law School. So I have some background in the area and I currently do serve as an adviser to GCF uh periodically. So I'm happy to do it if uh I have some background in the area if that is helpful. Well, I wanted to open this up to anyone if there was interest amongst other board members, which nobody emailed me back, but is there interest? You missed the email. Was there interest amongst anybody else? Okay. So, since board member map was it were you taking your your micers off? I didn't know. Okay. Okay. So, we're going to is there a vote

037to to keep member crosset as the appointed person for the ABC foundation for the formation of the ABC foundation um for the remainder of this year. So move all in favor. Can we just do that? We have to vote. All in favor? You probably need a second. She done it. I thought she I thought you was there a second. Second. Second. Thank you. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Any abstension? All right. So, we're good there. And will you all please now that Miss Phyllis, can you send them out a message tomorrow? I need nominations for community members. one or two for a board CPS board appointed community member to sit on the ABC foundation board. Some names have been thrown around. Miss Grimes did mention a former board member. I won't say the name,

038but um who has expressed interest as well. So, you all send me names before Friday of potential. We would have to vote. That has to be done. Well, you can they can send me names and we can talk about at the next meeting, but send me names is the assignment. That wouldn't be until the 21st. That would be the 21st. But the but but the ask today is that you send me names before Friday. Thank you. Thank you. Um Superintendent Murphy, please update the committee about summer school. Absolutely. So, um, as a summary from the earlier presentation, a few board meetings ago, uh, Deputy Smith and her team, including Miss Indilles and Miss Campbell, put together a, um, summer school fact sheet. In general, as you look over this, what we're requesting support for is

039summer school for third grade, for our multil- language learners, and for high school credit recovery. Uh, and then previously, we were asked for data around some of those pieces. So, that is linked in this uh report for you to see as well. We have also included the potential budget for summer school which um is not at the same level as we presented several weeks ago as well as uh potential transportation and beyond the tassel possible opportunities where students in the summer could also earn credentials which supports leading them to graduation day as well. And we are hoping for your support for this level of summer school. Do board members have any questions? Board member Weinberg. Yes, this was the topic that I definitely had a lot of questions on and thank you so much for

040coming back with so much information. I do have a question about the curriculum that we had to put on hold. Will that be continued and included into this? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And then two, as we click on to the data, if you want to pull that up for summer scholars fall diagnostic data analysis, I do have a question on what or how were the students considered to be um you had a number for the students here, number of students. Is that students registered or is that students who were actually in attendance? because I as I recall the issue and the problem that we had with the last time we had summer school is that the students were not there. So I am curious where did these numbers come from for the numbers? We we did

041hear you loud and clear about that. This these are the students who actually attended and we wanted to see if it made a difference based on what they did in the fall. Absolutely followed your guidelines. Very good. So with that, we had 25,522 students who attended summer scholars. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. What member Craig? Um so I just one kind of general question or general thought around um I think it is helpful for us to be focusing on the area of our population growth or enrollment growth that we were seeing which is the ELLL students. So I appreciated that part of being in there and I know that that's another aspect of our struggles with the ELLL is that they come in at different levels of where their reading comprehension is or even

042their recognition of you know their own language let alone learning English. Um the only I guess kind of question on that lane of it though is that I know um for the budget purposes portions of it we're also looking at using lefto or remaining title funds and some other way in in various different things. Uh I just wanted to make sure that we are going to be able to have a balance within that and where the locations were selected for each of the schools because I think that also technically for the students who would be going to it is it's the title dollars follow the student not necessarily like the student in a school, right? So like if you had students at another school that were not connected. So I just want to make sure

043that's how that's part of the balance we did when we did the selecting which schools went to where. So I want to say and I'll ask Treasure Wagner for help. Uh this is a separate pot of title dollars versus what was assigned to schools. Thank you. That's correct. The school allocations, state of school allocations. This is uh using administrative and carryover funds. Okay. Um, and then the the only other question I have is just as we look at the long term going forward, I think the proposal includes some ways of incentivizing students to complete the process or to um, you know, essentially go for the entirety there. Um will there be any reviews at the end of it to see you know again the success rates whether or not we were seeing uh folks who

044completing it uh the full schedule because I think that's still the worry that I would have is that we will have folks who sign up in initial part and as life stuff happens as you know family decided to take that summer trip or whatever the case may be that that we'll see a fallout at the end of or fall off students attending at the end of the uh period of time. Yes. Um, and I think even the previous conversation is very clear your expectations around our return on investment for summer school and making sure uh we're really having young people benefit from it and that it is a good use of our dollars. Any other Vice President Bolton? Yes, thank you. Uh and appreciate the links and the additional information as uh uh member Weinberg

045mentioned. I I to the treasurer and to the superintendent in previous years. How much uh money have we spent on summer school all things considered including transportation? I know we've been through some difficult times and had to make midcourse adjustments, but just off the top of your head or because you know it, uh this particular uh approach seems uh very lean compared to what we once had. And so uh to me it represents again some uh savings and and and based in part on return on investment but also based on the fact that we are trying to find as many ways as we can to uh reduce our costs without too damaging our children. How much have we spent in the past? Do you recollect or I remember coming out of COVID that first summer

046um first couple of summers we were asked to provide the opportunity for all of our kids and I I don't know the exact amount. We spent a lot of money. I don't know how many kids actually took advantage but I think we were maybe disappointed in the number at the end of the day. We used ESTER funds for the first time we did summer scholars which is what um superintendent Harpie is referring to and the budget at that year was like 22 million and the following year we dropped it to 15 million and as ESRE funds started to dwindle away we returned back to title funds and had to drop dramatically because there just isn't as much. I think prior to COVID we were spending five to eight million in summer school but the the

047program with each superintendent has changed. So we were serving different kids doing different stuff. Um, and so I mean I can put a history together for you and bring it back at the next meeting if if you would like, but I mean I can make it an assignment, but I I think that would be beneficial to to uh to capture uh where we've been and where we are now. And I do think that this does represent uh um a savings. And I do know that the community will feel the pain of not being as extensive as we have been, but they need to know it's a it's a financial choice that we've had to make this particular summer. Uh and uh because I know a lot of families depend upon that that summer month, if

048you will. Um my mine included. Um so uh I just think we need to make it as a a financial as well as a return on investment argument. How many years do you want me to go back? Yes. The precoid first the last precoid year through co would be great. Got it. Thank you. Most welcome. Well member Matt um yes. So this question may have been asked and if it was I do apologize. Um, but I do know last year's summer school was more targeted um um very similar to what we're trying to do this year. Did we see a significant um growth with our student outcomes um comparing it to what it was previously when we had the enrichment um and comparing it to uh just last year where we had more of the

049targeted focus with ELA and math and focusing on the OST or whatever state test they need to take. I appreciate that question. I'm not prepared to answer prior to the summer of 24, but um similar to the financial question, we could definitely bring that data back if that's okay. Okay. Absolutely. And then also if we can um with this year in mind possibly track that data as well so that we can make sure that we are seeing um growth and if not what we need we need to consider what we need to do to ensure that that growth happens. Yes ma'am. I just um I the board members we will vote on this in the superintendent recommendations. They wanted to get this approved as quickly as possible so that they could order the supplies. I

050just have a question. Since we have recently begun admitting our Dawn students, is there a plan to possibly utilize the summer months for credit recovery for them? I know we don't I know just for the record, we don't have records for the darn students. I know that and the public hopefully knows that as well. But for those that have come and you're going to give a report at our student achievement cow meeting, but for those that have come and registered with us, um is there any plan to potentially put them in with the summer programming for credit recovery? So they are now Cincinnati public school children and they are absolutely welcomed and encouraged and reminded to participate in credit recovery for the summer if needed. would that um significantly increase our number uh by including

051them? So, because um because we're working through the transcripts, knowing how many need credit recovery, I'm not able to say right now. I uh as of last Thursday, we've enrolled about 237. So, I don't know if I would say significant at all. Okay. I just was wondering would that change the budget? Yes. So, thank you. Any other question? Oh, board member Matt. This just to piggyback off the question that you asked about the Don students. So since they are enrolled, have they already uh started classes or is it a time frame in which they'll begin? No, we we our expectation is they start right away. And as a matter of fact, I'm I'm glad for that question. Uh we are working with our school social workers and have identified about three who are going to

052uh work with us to follow the Dawn students to make sure from enrollment to the schoolhouse that there is a smooth transition, a welcoming transition and that we have what we need to support them and vice versa. Okay. Thank you. And we're going to get a presentation um we're going to do all things academic at the student achievement meetings every month now. So, that's going to happen on the 16th. Any other questions, comments, concerns? Thank you. Thank you. Let's see. We're on a new business now. Do board members have any acknowledgements or announcements. What? Well, you go first. Well, I think it's going to go based off of the order of the slides, but I can go first. Or do you want to go ahead and start? We go together. Okay. Well, we we'll just

053go as it pops up. We'll just go. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. So, I just wanted to give a huge kudos to Josh Harden, his team, and everyone that attended the CPS All-Star game, and especially the board members who were in in attendance, uh the players, the families, the cheerleaders. You can see from the photos. We had such a great time. We even got board member Craig to dance with us. That was great. It's on the website. We're hitting the waves on the on the social media there. But I think the biggest thing, as you can see on this slide, Narvis Trible, a seventh grade student. When I say that, her voice was beautiful. It was amazing as she sang the national anthem. It just she just took the whole room and we were all

054like, "Wow, this little girl has such a huge and big voice." And so I wanted to definitely highlight her. As you can see on the slide, she is a student at SCPA majoring in musical theater and she was awesome. She was awesome. I'm going to switch it over to you now, President Moffet. Okay, so I was able to Can we give her a round of applause? I forgot about that. She needs a round of applause and Josh and everyone. So, I had an opportunity to um attend and be a speaker to a um sorority event and one of our students, one of our Gamble students, Destiny Martin, was receiving a scholarship. So, she received the Doris L. McAdams Memorial Scholarship and she is headed to I can't remember the name of the college in North

055Carolina, but she is majoring in nursing. So, congratulations to her. Winston Salem. Winston Salem. That's right. Um had an opportunity to go to the Aken sendoff with some of my colleagues again. Um Josh Harden did a great job with putting together a a great sendoff with Principal Vot and we were able to um give the Aken who we will have a presentation with give the Aken basketball team a wonderful wonderful sendoff um when they went to state. So congratulations to Aken. will have a presentation for them at the April 21st meeting. Congratulations. I attended with two of my colleagues, uh, board member Crosset, board member Matt. We went to, um, Douglas for their mural dedication. They have some beautiful murals and they were done, one was done by the staff and one was done by

056the students and then they kind of combined them. So that's what you see there. just absolutely beautiful uh project with the community from Ohio Arts sponsoring that and um it was uh congratulations to them, Principal Hall and the entire uh Douglas community. Uh board member map or board member crosser, did you want to add anything there? It was beautiful art. Was beautiful. I echo that. It was it was an awesome experience. Um and the school I was really excited to have this addition. If you get a chance, go by. It's in the hallway of Frederick Bush. You don't have to go far in, but you will be wowed when you get there. So, congratulations to them. One of our colleagues, our former colleague, um, Alisa Hoffman has school board school and they had a breakfast.

057I was able to attend with my colleagues and got a chance to see and hang out with some former board members and um former superintendent um Eileen Cooper Reed is in this picture um Alex Coons, Carolyn Jones, Tiana Amat. We had some really great food and a great presentation by um Congressman Lansman. Um so it was great. Thank you to for inviting us and supporting schoolboard school was a great opportunity. Any want to add it? Anyone? Would anyone like to add anything that attended? War member Craig was there. Um, board member map was there. Anybody have anything to add? All right. Congratulations. I think this is the last one. I had an opportunity to go to Winon Hills Academy and during their her story session and share um my story along with Dr. Smith, they

058had women come in, women leaders come in and who they didn't think were women leaders and um it was actually Dr. Smith's birthday, but they gave us a really warm welcome. So, thank you to the Winton Hills girls group um for welcoming me, welcoming me for the warm welcome. Anyone any other board member vice president? Yes, it's an announcement more than an acknowledgment. Uh but I wanted to share uh with the board and the administration and the public that the lawsuit in which we are a party to which we are a party that has to deal with universal vouchers uh is going to be having its uh first real hearings uh in Franklin County uh and with in Franklin County with Judge Paige. and that will take place on the 28th and the 29th and

059the 30th of April. And I know that the board has been supportive as well as helping with the finances uh and at to this date at this time out of the 600 and some school districts in the in the uh state uh at least 300 school districts have participated financially uh for at least one year of the last two years. So it is growing and uh very important uh case to follow and I wanted to thank the board and the administration for the support uh on that. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else? Well, uh I just want to give a kudos out to the staff who uh came in. And I we were talking about Don Academy earlier, but for the staff who came in at the drop of a dime came to work and

060to get these students uh enrolled. And I think it's just a really good sign of what we do because to be truthful, this isn't some big, you know, win and from a dollar aspect, this isn't something that will come in and make everybody suddenly we have these huge numbers of students. You know, we're talking about 200 some odd students at this point. But it was the right thing for us to do and it's the right thing to do and it's I really want to applaud those folks who step up when it's the right thing to do and they do it. Um it's really a good thing. So appreciate all the staff who popped in on a Sunday when you could have been out at brunch with me at Cheesecake [Applause] Factory M. Uh yes. So

061I would like to acknowledge uh Pleasant Hill Academy. they had their um black history program and it was towards the end of March. Um but they had an amazing live wax museum and what I loved most about it was how the students actually dressed up as the uh person that they were representing and also how they integrated technology into their live wax museum. So they had actual recordings and QR codes that you could scan um and watch the videos of the students. And so I wanted to just acknowledge Pleasant Hill for that. and they also have their career day coming up on April 17th. So, I know that the board has been invited um and community if you are able to attend that would be great. Um and then lastly, I just want to acknowledge

062um our students from jobs for Cincinnati grads with uh CYC. So, I had the opportunity to attend their uh career development conference last week and I want you all to know that our students were amazing. They were phenomenal and I just want to highlight those particular schools and the categories that they won in if that is okay. Uh so our prepare speaking Amir Williams from Western Hills University was our first place winner. So he will go on to compete at state. Um Fostina Ansaw from Western Hills University, she received the spirit award from Macy's. So that was an amazing um accomplishment for her. And then the cover design, we had Western Hills come in first and second place. Video presentation, uh, Western Hills in first place and Hughes STEM in second place. Students for service,

063Western Hills first place. Akin second place, Hughes third place. Financial literacy, Hughes first place, and then, or excuse me, Hughes third place. Career presentation, Western Hills first place. Uh, Hughes second place. Third place was Woodward. And so there's a whole host of categories, but I just wanted to highlight the amazing and outstanding work of all of our students. And another thing about that experience, there were several schools um and districts that were represented, but to see the pride in all of the students and just to see them celebrate one another was so awesome to see. Thank you. [Applause] All right, Superintendent Murphy, please present any announcements that you have and then Treasure Wagner is going to go after you. Perfect. I have a few retirees. First of up is uh teacher Levy Smith from Sharter

064High School, a long-term music teacher in our school district. And on the civil service side, we celebrate Barbara Phillips, a custodian 2 at South Aendale School, and Rhonda Sperling, a pair professional at Pleasant Ridge Monastery. Is that [Applause] it? Mika Terry, a security assistant too at the School for Creative and Performing Arts. Thank you for your service. And then I have a few um kudos I'm super excited about. The first from Sailor Park School, we are congratulating Sky Verhawk. I'm probably not pronouncing her name properly. A seventh grader who earned all state in wrestling. [Music] Wow. And then I'm super excited about this next kudos. This goes to our business advisory council. And some of you may remember we had a business advisory council before the state required a business advisory council. But this year

065in particular, I am celebrating them for being a fourstar designation and a recipient of the 2025 business educator leader awards for excellent business advisory council from the Ohio Department of Education and Workforce. and our very own Mike Turner leads that work and Mr. Crosset is the current representative from the board. Thank you guys. [Applause] Treasurer Wagner, I understand you have some kudos to present as well. I do. I have two two good newses. Um the first one being celebrating um our partnership with Children's Hospital. They are impact you is a class I forget how many sessions it is but it's a long a big huge commitment um where they te they're teaching our staff members how to do um process quality improvement so they teach them the tools and the process um and so this

066year's class we sent we had four of our administrators there I sponsored two of them so you have Adam Gutner is on to the left Vicky Graves Hill Tyler Idoline I'm sorry if I apologize if I messed up your last name. And then Michelle Harris is our payroll supervisor. So they all graduated. Here's a picture of the total class with uh Dr. Rob Khan who sponsors this off to the left. And so I have now had eight people in my department trained in this and I have nine QI teams going and they're doing amazing work. So and the philosophy is the more efficient we can be in our processes, that's more dollars back into the classroom. And so um we've seen some some great stuff. So that's the first one. I'll clap. Yes. I'm actually

067trying to talk them into um taking five more of my staff members at the next one or coming and just doing it on site for us. Yeah. And so we can add more people across the board. They'll they'll only do um 24 students at a time. Okay. So, next slide. So, we had our audit audit was publicly released, our fiscal year 24 audit. Um and there's two things to celebrate on that. one is um we did have an a clean or unmodified opinion. No management letter, no verbal recommendations. So, yay everybody. Yay. Um and then they started a couple years ago doing ratings on the how we commit to or how we comply with public records sunshine laws. Um and so they look at these seven things during the audit. They look at these seven

068things. I won't read them all for you, but um if you see on the next slide, this is their rating. So, you can go from one or non-compliant completely, one up to four. And on the next slide, you will see that we received for the second or third year in a row, four stars. And kudos to Dan Hoy because this is all about his work. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Um, board member Weinberg. Yes. So, I just had one more kudos that I wanted to give. Um, I'm not sure if everyone knows or knew or were able to attend, but we had our first ever girls flag football game on Friday for 10 of our CPS schools. So, I just wanted to give a huge kudos to all of those players and the coaches

069and anyone who came out to support them. So, congrats. [Applause] Thank you all. Vice President Bolton, the chair is now yours to conduct our hearing of the public. Thank you very much. We are now at the item on our agenda for hearing the public. Each speaker will have two minutes and will address all comments to the presiding officer. If you're online, once a request to speak has been granted, you'll be invited to enter. You should click on the camera uh icon to go interactive. provide your name, your affiliation to the district, uh your school community, your topic, and your contact information if you would like to have a response from the administration or the board. This request is consistent with the board pro protocol, and we appreciate your help. In the unusual event that someone

070is not willing to follow this protocol, we reserve the right to end that person's time. Again, each person will have two minutes to speak. When the timer goes off, your time is up. Please refrain from discussing any personnel matters. And after speaking, if you're online and you'll and you'll briefly be able to uh see the welcome screen again as you transition back to live stream meeting. Finally, we ask that your public commentary be respectful to all listeners. And at this time, we have seven in-person uh speakers. and Rob, how many online speakers do we have? Madam Chair, we have three online. Okay, so also a quick uh note, the camera for the podium has malfunctioned. So, we will have a wide shot. So, we just wanted to share with the speakers in person that we

071mean no disrespect when it's a wide shot and they we can't show them speaking. So, thank you, Rob. I appreciate that. And uh why don't we um start with the online folks this time and while they're speaking we'll hear if you would the three first three folks to speak here in person will be Britt Bourne uh Shaina Smith TA James and Rona Jen Jenkins and Zion James if you all would come to the seats in the front and be ready and hopefully it's sort of within in that order and if not we'll take you in any order we can get you. I'm glad you're here. Rob, thank you. Our first online speaker tonight will be Angie Wilson. Angie, you can go ahead and unmute your camera and microphone. Hello. Uh my name is Can you

072hear me? Okay, we can. Go ahead. Okay. Uh my name is Angie Wilson. I'm the parent of a seventh grader at Spencer Center and the PTSO interim president and vice chair of our LSDMC. Um, I just wanted to take a moment to thank the s Superintendent Murphy and the board for recognizing the value of our resource coordinators. As you know, I've always been a cheerleader for them. Um, and for protecting their jobs and salaries. Um, when that came um up for discussion again, um there were a lot of us that were worried and we are so grateful that you have um um made the decisions that you have to protect their positions. Um, we really do value them in Spencer Center. Um, as you know, Spencer Center and Riverview East are displaced this week and

073um um while we love our building so much, I don't want this to come off in as a complaint in any way. Um I do um feel that um uh some of the we're just a bit surprised that the flooding has happened twice in the last couple of months and it might be something that the board could consider for the future um as far as possible alter alternative location other than Jacob Center or something creative like a pedestrian bridge that could reach Spencer Center so that we don't have to close down the facility. So just throwing that out there. Um if this does continue to be an ongoing issue with some of the climate issues that um seem to be um more frequent. Um and just again um that appreciation for our resource coordinator um

074who during our move this week um went out and purchased recess equipment for our kids because there was nothing at the alternative location. Um and just a shout out to Karen Hordinsky at Spencer Center. um for doing that for our students. Um and again thanking you for um recognizing her value. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker will be Hershel Daniels. Hersel, you can unmute. Go ahead. Can you hear me? Yes. Thank you. My name is Hershel Daniels. I own the company Hersel Daniels Jr. which is a for-profit company. and I also head the Cincinnati Empowerment Corporation. We just completed a meeting with over 1,200 uh people from 700 organizations around the United States uh to National Community Reinvestment Coalition. And the great news is that PNC Bank, like other banks, did

075not walk away from their community benefit agreement. In this case, I'm looking to forward to giving an update to the staff of the Cincinnati school system as a followup to our January 17, 2025 meeting and which was the introduction to our proposal to establish a partnership between the district and the companies in the Buckeye Black Chamber of Commerce that support our work in the United Nations around the historic work at the transforming education summit and the recent commission on the status of women and then next week the upcoming UN permanent form on people of African descent where we can create in Cincinnati a statewide model uh by creating a chapter of the UN association that would bring all the work of the United Nations down home to Cincinnati public schools and creating for the business

076world of over 17,000 companies that are already in the United Nations in a compact bringing them to focus here in Cincinnati where those companies can use their skills and support for the PNC utilization that they have $25 billion left in their community benefit agreement and it's our plan to use that for Cincinnati for their not only the employees and members of the community to benefit the students in creating for them the ability to create intergenerational wealth. Thank you, Cincinnati Public School Board. I look forward to working with your staff. Thank you. And our last online speaker, Tyrie Gilbert. Tyrie, please go unmute your camera microphone. You have two minutes. All right. How you doing? My name is Tyreek Gilbert. I'm the band director at Wooward High School. I just want to throw out some information

077real quick. The Woo band has been selected to perform in Atlanta, Georgia in May 9th through 11th. And also we have been invited to perform in Hawaii this upcoming December. We're looking for donations, any support um that way. You got a check or whatever, you can have it made out to Wward Band um and bring us over to the high school. Also, I want to give a shout out to the Off City Marching Band along with our dancers that participated in the Cincinnati Reds parade. Um we had over 125 kids that participated in the parade as well. um music is alive in the in the U district and um if you want to support our programs, you come see the um see directors and all that and um that's basically it. Um appreciate all the

078support that the district has given us. Thank you. [Applause] And now we'll start with the inerson uh presentations. uh Brit, followed by Shaina Smith, followed by Ta James and um Mona Jenkins. I wish I was that tall. Uh good evening everybody. My name is Britt Bourne and I'm a Silverton Council member and I also sit on the LSDMC and I'm here tonight to share why it is untenable for Silverton Elementary to share a resource coordinator position with another school. As a Silverton Council member, I've personally worked with our resource coordinator each year on a number of events and projects, including Girls on the Run, Math Academy, and our annual color fun run and walk, which I know some of you have attended. The village has also worked closely with the resource coordinator and other school

079community partnership events, including our annual fall fun festival. Simply put, events like the color fun run and the fall funfest would not be possible with a dedicated school resource to help bring them to fruition. Looking solely at school population doesn't really tell the whole story. As of today, Silverton Elementary has 323 students. I noticed it said 312 in your presentation earlier. It's 323 as of today. And I suspect that Silverton has more events, projects, and partnerships with the community than many other schools of our size. Asking us to share a resource coordinator with another school almost guarantees that either Silverton has a less than part-time resource coordinator or the person filling that position is overworked and overwhelmed. In either case, the student and the community will both suffer. So, I ask that Silverton Elementary maintain

080an individual resource coordinator and not a shared position with another school. Thank you. Thank you, Shaina Smith. Hello. I am also here to bring kudos to the amazing students and staff who recently participated in the CPS All City Marching Band performances. The mission of the All City Marching Band is to inspire, educate, and empower middle and high school students through music, performance, and teamwork. By fostering a culture of excellence, discipline, creativity, and respect, the program cultivates leadership, personal growth, and a strong sense of community among students across the district. Under the direction of Brandon D. Smith, Alden Chapman of Aken High School, and Tyreek Gilbert, who we just heard from um from Wilbur High School with the support of Dr. Isidora Red Rnik, the all city band has brought together over 200 students from schools

081throughout CPS, including those without formal music programs. Through meaningful performance opportunities, enrichment days, and inclusive collaborations, students gain access to impactful educational and musical experiences. Highlights include performances at the Cincinnati Red's opening day parade, the CPS All-Star Basketball Game, and Miami University's Day of Champions. Through this experience, graduating seniors have been able to take advantage of scholarships and the metriculation into college collegiate music education, dance, and marching band programs. To the students, we are so proud of you. You represented yourselves, families, and CPS well. To the band directors and dance coaches who work tirelessly to make sure CPS students are prepared to not only be good musicians and dancers, but to be great leaders and contributors to their communities. This job can sometimes be thankless and hard due to limited resources and support. But we

082appreciate your dedication and commitment to our youth within the community and district because the focus is and should always be the students. Josh Johnson, Mr. Gerard Terrell Thurman, Josh Strange, Sharon Stevens, Shaina Darden, and Jasmine Johnson Hayes. There's significant talent in both student and staff alike in the city of Cincinnati, and we are proud to say they come from CPS. The future of our nation depends on providing our children with a complete education. This also includes music. Where words may fail, music will speak. One band, one sound, one city. Thank you. Thank you. Mona Jenkins and Ta James. Okay. Thank you. Taj James. Taj James. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. My name is Taj James and I'm a fifth grade student at Frederick Douglas Elementary. I don't have much to say, but all I want to

083say is that I would like to stay at Frederick Douglas for my sixth grade year and not for um the change that is recently happening for Cincinnati public schools making elementary schools K through 5 and not K through six. Thank you. And I'm his father Christopher James. Um we've still been unaware. I'm al I'm part of the uh LSDMC at Frederick Douglas also the parent teacher association and the fifth grade parents are not aware of anything busing um if they're going to South Aenddale none of it we not been aware of it now Douglas they know everything that they have Evston Academy coming over they just had open house that we attended but as far as the parents being notified by South Aenddale, we know nothing. We have not heard anything. So, just want to

084thank y'all for your time and hopefully that we can like my son say keep Douglas K through six. Thank you, Mr. James and thank you, Taj. Next we have uh Zion James and after that we will have Diane Rosenberg and John Zinser and then President Sers. Welcome. Hello. My name is Zion James. Um I'm the older brother of him and that's also my father. Um currently I am a freshman at Mount St. Joseph University. I graduated last year from W Hills High School and I also went to Douglas and graduated in 2018. Um, I want to come up here and also support my little brother and his his journey. Uh, me who I graduated from Frederick Douglas and I went to the sixth grade and the partnership between the sixth grade and to one of

085Hills to where he now wants to go. I know how strongly the sixth grade and how important the sixth grade was down to the the teachers like Miss Collins who is currently still a teacher and I know the importance between the sixth grade and how great of a connection it was with the programs like driven and the current programs that they have with Warner Hills. I want to say and ask that hopefully you guys can keep the sixth grade because I don't want to take away the bond between the students who've been there since kindergarten to the sixth grade and I want to keep them together. Thank you. Thank you Mr. James, Diane Rosenberg, superintendent and board members. Thank you. Um, I am here as a lifelong Cincinnatian. Uh, attended Cincinnati public schools and feel

086like there are some wonderful things going on in the schools. But I want to give you a heads up about a development that's happening in my neighborhood in Hyde Park that has me concerned about the safety of the children at Hyde Park School. Um it's so cool to live in a neighborhood where you see kids walk to school. I mean, you know, it's in this techy world that we live in. That's a very special moment that parents have with their kids, they have with their fellow neighborhood friends, and um we have that in Hyde Park. I am one of many people that are opposed to a development that's been proposed on Edward's Road, which is just a half a block away from Hyde Park School. And the development is something that has not been through

087proper channels. And my friend who is with me today will mention some of those things in a in a after I finish. But my point of being here is that as our leaders of our public schools, I thought you should know that this is going on and that this is something that you will care about because you're you're leading the public school district. So, I thank you for your time and I'll turn it over to John. Thank you, Miss Wilberg. Good evening and thank you for this opportunity to speak with you all. I'm coming forward. My name is John Zincer. I'm with Save Hide Park Square. I am coming to you to both lend a hand and ask for your help. this situation that u my colleague has just spoken about presents real danger to

088the children. I know you all picked this subject up last month in your meeting and I'm really looking forward to next week on the 16th when you're speaking uh in a joint session with city council. We have recently completed or we are currently conducting a survey of the families at Hide Park School and so far we have over 30% of the families responding. We have a margin of error on this of less than 5%. Do people currently believe there's a pedestrian safety issue at Hide Parker School? 92%. Do are they concerned that in the 2 to 3 years of construction and the increase from the development across the street that it will increase the safety issues? 94%. And here's the one that really surprised me most and I think should matter to you too. Do

089you believe there should be an action plan created with input from Hyde Park school parents to fully study this development's impact on pedestrian safety and find an acceptable solution before city council votes on this project 96%. They are willing to put in time and effort. They are asking you for help as am I. I am imploring this board please to request from the city who has not provided you adequate information or the developer who has not communicated with you adequately that with city council next week you request from them an MOT a study of the transportation impact while the construction's going on and an improved TIS transportation study for what the long-term impact will be so that they won't hold this vote until you have the information you deserve to make a proper decision. Thank

090you for your time. Thank you very much. President Julie Sers uh will be next. And last, and just to remind the audience that may not be familiar, as president of the Cincinnati Federation of Teachers, Julie Sers is not obligated to stay within the first the two minute uh time frame that the rest of members of the public are. President Sers, good evening everyone on the board and CPS and community. On May the 6th, it's on a Tuesday evening. Um um CTF and CPS is going to be having a community town hall to save our schools. We're going to learn about the current attacks on public education and we want everyone to be able to make your voice heard. The doors will open at 5:30 p.m. and the speakers will begin at 6 and it will

091be over by 7:30. um an hour and a half of your time is going to be well worth it because with the actions that we are going to be proposing, we believe that we will be able to have an impact on the final um budget formulas for all of the districts in Hamilton County. There are three speak main speakers who are um experts in the school funding area. Scarlett Bouter and she is um an advocacy and communication solution person for the Ohio 8. She works with all of the urban districts and most of the midsize districts. She has been working um diligently for years on the school funding formula and has um and is going to give you an update not just on the funding formula, but also all of the other legislation that's going

092to have a negative impact on our district and every other district in the state of Ohio. Stephen Dyer will also be speaking and he has um very informative um PowerPoint slides that are super informative for everyone to really understand what is happening with the funding formula. Uh Mr. Dyer is the former chair of the primary and secondary education subcommittee of the house finance committee and he has been doing this work for years. He actually came to our district probably 15 14 or 15 years ago when the vouchers were first starting to really let our district know exactly the negative impact that vouchers were having on our district with those pass through dollars. And then the third speaker will be Dennis Willard and he is the communication director for vouchers Ohio. He was a state house

093reporter in Columbus for 23 years, but he as um um Vice President Bolton um mentioned earlier, most of the districts in the state of Ohio are now involved with that lawsuit that's going to be um heard soon. Um there is going to be this expert panel, but we will also have an audience Q&A. We're going to have a few classroom teacher testimonies and there's going to be great opportunities for advocacy. On your um flyer, there is a QR code so that you can register. If you take your phone out now, you can go ahead and register so you don't forget. And then you will be given some reminders um as it gets closer to the event. This is something that we planned at our last Ohio8 because we felt that it was important um for

094all of the urban districts to have this conversation. We are going to be I have been reaching out to some of the superintendent and treasurers in Hamilton County that I know. I know Superintendent Murphy is also reaching out to the other superintendent in the county and um Treasurer um Wagner is going to be reaching out to um other treasurers in this area regionally. This has to be done for all of us to help all of the schools. If something does not change with the funding formula, we're going to see more and more school districts in not just Hamilton County, but across the state that are going to be going into fiscal emergency and bankruptcy and possibly closing and merging. So, I think it's important for everybody to come out, hear from the experts what this

095um this budget is going to do to our schools and I it will be informative. Please, please, please share this and we can send it to you um electronically so all of you can share it on your social media because I know everybody on the board is active with their social media. But this is something that is um going to have an impact on every student not just in Cincinnati but in the state of Ohio. So thank you. Thank you. And that concludes uh hearing of the public. So thank you. We are excited to enter into our presentations. We have um Char Fischer Jackson Fisher Jackson. I don't know what's wrong with me today. Executive director of the Cincinnati Preschool Promise along with board chair Micah Cameas. Superintendent Murphy please introduce the following presentation. Well,

096yes, ma'am. So, at this time, we'll have Miss Fischer Jackson come on down to the microphone to the podium. Okay. All right. Well, we'll have we're happy to have you as well. Thank you so much uh Dr. Moffett and all of you for making time for us this evening. Um this really comes as a followup to a really wonderful meeting Dr. Moffett and I had which is uh I think continuing in a line of uh my predecessors and hers continuing to be in dialogue about the partnership between Cincinnati Preschool Promise and CPS. Um uh it it's been I think more than a year since we've been uh back with you all since we revised the master agreement and have been moving forward and um we have been uh really proud of the work that we

097have done to continue to serve the community and uh actually Vera comes to every one of our board meetings and presents all the great work that you all are doing too which we really do appreciate her attendance at those meetings. Um what Dr. Mafa and I discussed was that uh it's uh getting time to make decisions about the levy and that was something I understand you all will be discussing tonight. Uh and Dr. Moff had asked and I graciously uh I really uh great am grateful for the invitation to get to just share our thoughts on the levy. Um it's it's kind of wild to me as someone who was around for the the initial efforts that were coming up on uh close to 10 years now or I guess uh getting to the point

098of 10 years of Cincinnati Preschool Promise. Um and proud of all that we've collectively achieved uh and starting to think about the future. uh I have reviewed a number of the uh slides and options that you all will be seeing I think in the the next discussion about uh what you will get to the decision to be made and wanted to just share some of the general thoughts about this from our board. Uh Dr. Moffett conveyed to me that uh you all will have a number of uh discussions and opinion on as well. So just wanted to share what we're thinking. We are uh cognizant of the fact that uh the the money dedicated to preschool expansion is less than a third of the dollars of the levy and the the money that comes specifically

099to preschool promise um is less than 20% of the levy funds. Um but understand that we we play a large role in it and uh are grateful to get to share our views. Uh it's my general understanding that one of the the key decisions you all will be discussing is uh whether or not uh the levy should be uh increased or renewed at a similar amount. And I know there's some I'm not a technical expert in this and there are some uh other things beyond that but that that was kind of the first discussion point. Um in conversations with a number of our team members um we have kind of come to the consent a couple of different items of consensus. Uh one we are of the belief that uh $15 million collectively between CPS

100and CPP is uh not sufficient to continue to serve the needs of uh the preschool expansion efforts and uh expanding quality preschool in this area. Uh and two uh we are also of the belief that while uh more funds are going to be needed in the future just to maintain kind of the same service levels and quality that we have that we don't think this is the right time to go ask the voters for more. Um our general view uh and we understand that it is uh your decision but appreciate getting to to share our view and to to partner on this. Um but our our general position at the moment is that uh we would like to uh go for a renewal at this time. That's something that we would encourage you all to

101do at a similar level uh at the same level I guess is a more precise term. Um but we also do uh very strongly believe that there uh will be a better time in the future to go ask the public for uh additional support. We have found in our years uh of going to the voters that preschool promise uh is wildly popular with the community. Um we do believe that more funds will be needed and that for a variety of factors um a lot of which completely out of our control, this just isn't the right time to ask the community for uh increased support. But we do want to um continue dialogue with you all and ask uh and seek the right time to ask for additional support. With that, I understand another one of

102the questions that you all will be uh discussing is um should this be for five years or 10 years? Uh kind of part and parcel with that conversation of wanting to continue dialogue about when is the right time to ask for increased support. Um we would prefer that this one be a 10-year option. Uh and to give us kind of that long-term certainty, but also work with y'all. I know in the slide kind of the life cycle levies you all have and the feels like there's something to the ballot somewhat regularly um and continuing to work together to to find the the right opportunity for that. So uh I I know you all will will have discussions tonight about this and I understand the timeline over the next couple months and Dr. Moffett and I

103agreed that we would love to um eventually get to something we've done the last two times on this which is having a joint uh meeting to adopt a shared resolution and that's something we'd love to do as well. Um and uh in delivering this message tonight uh our board certainly you all are uh closer to the electorate than we are. uh this isn't uh hey we uh think it must be this option but uh we're asked to convey what we think is the best course right now and wanted to to share that to you all with the hope that it'll inform your decision but um we're we're eager to be a part of this process. Uh we understand how important it is. We think a renewal for 10 years is is our preferred option, but

104also a uh desire to continue to work together in the future as the master agreement contemplates uh on these types of issues to find a time hopefully sooner rather than later within those 10 years to go ask for additional support because we believe the community will need it. Um that was a lot quickly. I know you all have a lot to get to tonight. The last thing I'll say also is um we would love to have any of you at any of our meetings at any time. Uh Dr. Moffett mentioned to me that some of you have questions about data and programs and success and and we regularly go through these things just as you all do and I know when we get to come here we get you know 5 to 10 minutes an

105hour or so into the agenda to to give an update which we are grateful for. But um we'd love to have you all at any time. We we post our uh meetings. We'll if you come as a special guest and like to present we'll make sure you're first on the agenda. Um but we we view that as another avenue to continue to have these discussions. Um and uh have loved when some of you have chosen to come and the the door is always open. Would love to have more. So um I'll stop if there are any questions. I know you all are going to be discussing this but uh wanted to make sure we if there were any questions I was able to answer them. Thank you board members. I know that was quick. I've

106been telling everybody be quick. You took me literally. You did it. You did great. I appreciate it. Members, do you have any questions, Vice President Bolton? Yes. Thank you so much uh uh for this more than a decade partnership. Uh and appreciate the advice that you're giving as a full partner in all of this. Appreciate it greatly. And it was a wonderful uh uh television uh uh um I don't know uh broadcast uh tonight or whatever it was. I think it was channel 19 uh kind of highlighting uh the executive director but also the good work of preschool promise and uh I thought it was outstanding and appreciate it. I was particularly thrilled with the data that they presented within the newscast that uh I think Sher Shara was talking about in part of of

107if you look at the national or state level of preschool participation uh the preschool participation in greater Cincinnati as a result of what CPS does and what the private partners do through Preschool Promise and this partnership that we have a percentage I think that was quoted in greater Cincinnati uh was 41% when uh some of the highest any place else is 20% and the more national average I think is is around 10 and that's a credit and it uh to the work that everybody has done together. So thank you and and kudos to that the the broadcast uh this evening or last evening but I saw it on Facebook repeated. So u um very excited to have your advice. Thank you very much. Thank you. We appreciate that. And uh our team uh our board

108is uh very proud of Shara and the entire team uh and all the work that they do. So thank you for that. Any other questions? Well, thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. You're very welcome. The little the little people are always my favorites. So, when we're talking about littles, the land of the littles, Vera knows me well. This is that's my favorite topic. Those are my favorite people. As mentioned, um we do have a levy discussion and I'm anticipating that it's going to be very, very interesting and informative, especially for our public and our board members. So, Treasurer Wagner, please present your levy topic. Good evening, and I apologize in advance for my voice. I'm recovering from laryngitis. So, if partway through this, Mike's gonna tag team with me. Um, just because my I

109sound like Mrs. Lou Rolls right now. Um, but so gonna we're going to have a wild ride on levy discussion. Let's go next slide. So, this is just a a quick picture of our levy structure. The blue is our continuing um fixed rate or current expense levies. The the three off to the left are three fixed sum levies. Um and we have 7% of a bond levy that helps fund our facility master plan. And so um just as a summary, almost almost half of our levy money comes from fixed sum levies and this will be important a little bit later um while the rest are just continuing. Okay, next slide. So um also very quickly, our property tax income represents 62% of our general fund revenue. Um, so we have real estate tax, we have

110personal property tax, that's uh public utilities, and then over to the left you can see the property tax allocation. That's the money the state reimbures us for their homestead roll back credits. Next slide. Here's the sinky slide showing you it's been corrected. There was an error on a previous one. So what we're looking at is the $48 million uh renewal that's been renewed. This will be the second renewal. Um, it's currently on a five-year cycle. And this shows you the blue line. It shows you what would happen if you went on a 10-year cycle. We wouldn't come back up for renewal until 35. Your next renewal comes in 29. This is where the error previous error was. We were pointing to 28 instead of to 29. Um, and then the red one was the most

111recent one. The $51 million is on a 10ear cycle and that comes up at 32. So, the green circle, uh, 2031, I can't believe I'm saying 2031, um, is when the bond levy expires. So, December 1st, um, of 31, we'll make our last payment on the bond levy. That's something to celebrate when you get there. You're getting close. So, uh, tonight's conversation is really circled about what's the November levy and maybe in your longer term view. So, next slide. So, here's your timeline, your deadlines, right? You have to have your first resolution that states the need for a levy done um 100 days before the election. So, your deadline for filing that is the July 27th. Um we typically do this in the April May time frame. So, we're right on target. Um, and once

112we re I send that certify that, send it to the Hamilton Hamilton County auditor and they certify the millage and the ballot language. They have 10 days to do that. So, they send it back to us so we can do the adoption of the ballot language as a resolution. And then by 400 p.m. on August 6th, Mr. Hoy and I will drive up to the board of Hamilton County Board of Elections and file that resolution and then we can get our issue number. Next slide. So the long-term landscape um you have three needs. You have operational needs, what u Mike had just kind of referred to. Um in addition to our growth in in uh revenue is not keeping up with the infl rate of inflation and so we're out uh living our annual revenues.

113Um you have the long-term facility repair needs. That's somewhere between 170 and 200 million depending on construction costs. And this relates to our facility master plan buildings who are now 20 years old and need new roofs, coolers, chillers, HVA systems. Um, and so there's a there's a 5-year implementation plan. Um, that adds up to 170ish million. Then the third need is your longer term growth plan. Phase three has about a $200 million in construction costs. That's actually that has a little squiggly mark because what we moved out of phase two on the career tech um growth for cosmetology auto mechanics um those have construction needs as well. So that'll have to go into the longer term or some other kind of unique um funding. So that's kind of the long-term picture. Next slide. So here's

114your options for November. You can renew at 48 with the 5 years. You can renew at 10 years. You can renew with an increase, although I know that's not very popular, up to 10 years. Um, one of the things I was researching on for you is you could do a replacement, but that's maybe because there's a bill that passed the House eliminating replacement levies and it's sitting in the Senate right now. So, if it passes, it's they're eliminate they're discontinuing the option to do a replacement levy. I'll go into the differences between a replacement and a substitute in just a second. Your next option is to do a substitute levy. Um, so the advantage of doing that is it renews at the same um, but you get additional revenue for the new construction that's happened

115in any expiring tax abatement agreements. Next slide. So the difference between a substitute levy and a replacement, the substitute is what I was just what I just mentioned. You get new growth. A replacement levy goes back to the original millillage against the current values. So it will actually increase revenue for us, but it also increases property taxes. So this is the one that's subject to House Bill 34. So we're waiting to hear um what the Senate's going to do. Um looking next slide shows an example. So we have three fixed sum levies that if we were to renew them as replacement levies, the 48 million was originally approved at 7.93 mills. It's currently because of House Bill 920, the House reduction factor so that property taxes don't grow with inflation. The current actual millage is

1165.23. So they would it would automatically increase tax bills 2.7 mills to generate almost $24 million in annual revenue for us if we were to switch that levy to a replacement levy. And then I did it for the other three the other two fixed sum levies. So if we did all three of them we could actually increase our revenues quite a bit. Um but it would be painful for the public. An income tax levy is something more long-termish not for November. You can talk about whether you wanted to do traditional income or earned income. And then we calculated what the value. So a half of a percent on the traditional side would generate $64 million. And this is for residents only, not people who live outside and work here, work in the city. This is

117just residents uh income taxes. Um a 1% income tax levy would generate 129 million annually for us. And then if you just looked at earned income 47 and 95 million uh respectively and it could be for a number of years or a continuing levy. Next slide. So other considerations are unvoted debt except you're sub you're subject to some debt limitations. We would have to have Brenda Weamer come in and do a bunch of calculations for us. um you can borrow against your pilot payments or future revenue streams and that might be a consideration for the career tech expansion um because it could be a short-term borrowing um new fixed rate um because of the 20 mil floor calculation a new fixed rate millage would hurt us. So, if you were to do um let's just

118say a $58 million levy, you would only net out 23 million because because we're under the 20 mil floor, that levy would take us above the 20 mil floor. So, we would lose that revenue that we're already getting. Um and then just another consideration is that you have um support elections in November 25. Next slide. That's the end of the levy conversation. Um, I just pause for question. I have some other things to share with you tonight, but we'll just pause for feedback. I I really think um in the next meeting or two, we need to do that resolution choosing what what direction we want to go in. Member questions member Craig. Um so I will say we've had several conversations in uh budget finance and growth around um our options and I think there

119is certainly reasons to do both right and I think one of the concerns that I have with us um lending ourselves to the philosophy of staying where we are is that we're in theory going to have to make some substantial cuts in future years that is something we have not as a board been very good at doing um and making those decisions on those cuts in a timely manner. Um, so I have some worries because the dollar figure, you know, we've talked about this before. The dollar figure that uh that 48 million paid for is now closer to around $65 million of buying power or what it pays for now was closer to what would have been 65 million at that time. And so in order to buy the same exact thing, you need more

120money to do so now than you will than you did then. And you'll need more in the future. Um, so it does lend me some concern with us staying with it because if we do a 10-year, we kind of we're there for the 10 years that we we kind of have the levy there. And so, um, but I do want to ask the one question around the possibility of of the the laws and legislation affecting kind of how we will think about future levies more so maybe than this one per se. Right. So, in the next couple of slides, we have an update on each of the House and Senate bills that have financial impact on us. Um, and so we can skip forward a few slides if you don't mind. Keep going. Keep going.

121Keep going. I have a I have a question, Jen. Before you talk about that, just about what you talked about. Um, so before we get to that part, let me let board member Lendy go first. Go ahead. Oh, I'm I'm happy to follow. Okay. I just had a question around can there be an income tax levy and a renewal on the same ballot in the same year. You can put more than one ballot measure on. Um the likelihood of passing either or both is hard. So when we've seen school district do two levies at the same time, one of them always loses. I know that I think Wyoming was the one that I'm I'm thinking of more recently last year that had an income tax levy that failed, but I'm just wondering, you said that

122that was a longer process on slide 10. So, I was just wondering, is that something we could start now or would that be something that we would have to plan for for a year? So, I said that a longer planning because it's going to be a harder communication and you're going to have to start socializing it. So, you would you wouldn't want to try to do it for November because it would confuse a lot of people. um school districts are starting to look at income tax levies because of the property tax fatigue and um and so they're trying to figure out different ways. It's also a great way to kind of um mix up your revenue streams and so you're diver you know have more diversification diversification in your revenue. Um but so I was

123suggesting we have to go back for new money soon and if we don't do it in November because of the political climate or the the success factor um then probably in 26 you're and that would be an opportunity to start planning for an income tax levy or something else of that nature. Well, I had an opportunity to speak to a couple groups and they actually the older um participants actually preferred that because they were saying they were tired of it being on um property tax owners. So, I'm wondering I think that probably the passage could could also be about the messaging that's that's being portrayed. My other question is, if we were to do an income tax levy, would there be a way to support preschool promise under that so that it is more broadly

124supported financially? Um like like this is the 48 million, but I mean is that also a possibility to look at preschool promise support on an income tax levy? You can under income tax levy, you can choose whatever you want to support. So, yes. Okay. Thank you, member Lindy. Yeah, thank you very much. Uh I I appreciate it. I I think I have um I'll try to be as quick as I can because I want to support getting us out of here on a reasonable time. This this also, I think, may be the most important thing we're talking about tonight on the agenda. Um and and so there are three things just on the on the levy piece of this that I want to bring up and then I think there may be some other comments

125when we get to budget too. But I wanted to briefly talk about our decision timing. I wanted to talk about what we ask for and I wanted to talk about uh how we time whatever levy we do go for. So just on on that decision timing piece for a second, I heard you say treasur that we we need to make a decision on this either in the next meeting or the meeting after it. And I just wanted to check is that right? So like we'd be we we need to have a plan by the 5th of May. Well, you what I meant was you don't have to do it legally until July, but we need time to go out and market and sell and campaign. And so the sooner you get that done, the sooner

126we can start. So what so what specifically would you want? I'm sorry. I'm I'm I'm asking this question so that I understand it, not with any kind of should have been explained X or Y. And and this is hard, but but so from your perspective, the thing that you would need from the board by the 5th, can you just help me understand what that part is? We need we need a board resolution that's adopted in a business meeting that states the need for the levy that says it's going to be a $48 million for years. That's it. Okay. So that that's significant. So that's like we need to have our plan and that by two meetings from now is May 5th. That's relatively quickly. I would say by the end of May, but the sooner

127the better that we can get the campaign work going. Okay. So, just just this is um I think this is a big deal and so I'm I'm it's the right thing for us to talk about. I appreciate the clarity on the timing. That was thing one. Um thing two is is what we ask for. Um and I think um here um this has been a tricky issue for me to get my head around um because a couple things feel true at once. I think the first is there's just no question that our costs have gone up. inflation has gone up. We have not had a new levy, new money levy since 2016. Show me another organization that keeps its revenue basically flat while the costs increase for eight years, right? Or nine years. So, I

128think that there are reasons why I think a new money request makes some sense. But I don't want to interrupt you, but um for the public's thing, keep in mind that as property values went up, our state share went down. So we're down to 36 cents on the dollar for every formula student that we have and and even just the fixed sum levies like that's this does not change if property values go up doesn't change if our enrollment changes and everybody who is alive knows that inflation has been real right I mean so I think there's a there's a part of this case that I think makes some real sense the other thing that is also true though I just want to share two numbers if you go back to 2016 and this was the

129the last time we had a new money levy our performance index score on the state report card. So if a perfect score is 100, in 2016 our performance index was 69%. In 2024, our performance index score was 60.5%. So that's almost a 10 percentage point drop in their performance index even as our spending per pupil increased and particularly with all the COVID money increased way faster than the rate of inflation. And the reason I'm bringing this up is if we go to the public like our our ask from my perspective cannot be uh give us more money for less academic results. That just can't be the request. I think it has to be because I do think we need more money. I think the request has to be give us more so that we can

130do more. And so as we're thinking about what do we ask for particularly this is going to happen over the next few weeks I think we have to be able to say may maybe we are saying we're going to ask for a renewal and we buy ourselves some time on this issue. I I would certainly support that. But if we're going to ask for new money now, I think we need to say what's going to be different so that when this so that when we do have more dollars, we're going to see a different kind of return. So, uh, I said that three things. One was timing, one was what we ask for. The third is just like how we think about um, we time this request. I think one I may have missed this,

131but one thing I don't think I've heard come up a lot is about when the city is going to ask for a tax increase around the futures commission. Um, and so I think there will be a request from the city to increase the income tax in Cincinnati. And I I think that we just cannot fumble the ball on the timing of this because um we have to think about voters being asked to approve multiple tax increases and when that's going to happen and how how we navigate that in a way because all these things are important and we it's it's not like we have to find a way to do this. I I I'm committed to helping us find a way to do this that works and gets us better outcomes. That's all I have

132to say. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Vice President Bolton. Yes. Thank you. I I think everything that uh member Lindy uh cited and raised is absolutely uh in need of of major consideration for for by all of us. Um again I was heartened to hear uh from preschool promise uh their recognition of the difficult times. Uh I was also heartened that they too understand that what I think is valuable uh which is a the extension to 10 years u and that's it's a it's a practical reason for me because if we extend it to 10 we can leapfrog the number of our other requests that we're going to be making uh in levies rather than bunch three of them together or two of them together and what have you. Um, back to back to

133this particular topic. Um, I would be supportive of it of the 10-year. I and I it grieves me to to think in terms of the fact that the the purchasing power of that 48 million is significantly changed uh over these years. But again, this may or may not be the right time to ask for new money. I don't think in answer to Mr. Lindy, I don't think there are any districts that uh uh in a in a normal way and point to the last 20ome years and know that uh we've waited eight years in the last two uh cycles for new money. That is because we have for all intents and purposes short of the esser experience uh had flat budgets and it's very possible that that might be part besides co and a few

134other uh extenduating circumstances why that performance index might be different as well as the fact that the test is so significantly changed as well. But it's something to keep in mind. I don't think we're in a position to ask uh based upon where we are right now for new money. I am interested though, Treasurer Wagner, you mentioned the substitute levy and does that the the replacement raises the taxes on the on the property folks. Does this substitute levy do that as well? No, you only get um they'll increase the fixed sum for the new construction values, but it would increase to a certain extent possibly if we have new growth and new construction. It would it'll increase the revenue, but not the property tax bills for the the residents that are already paying the best

135of both worlds. Then I would Yes. I mean, if there's I'm looking for any good news I can find. Uh and um I I do think uh too that um I would I think we should try to vote on this as early as April 21st. And Mr. Lindy also raises the issue, it's my understanding from city council folks and and city administration that they've already kind of anticipated in the futures report two different uh additional uh income and earning tax uh on two different topics. One of which is I I think uh at least one of them is safety public safety and I can't remember what the other one is. So our timing does have to fit within those requests. So, I I I would like us to vote as early as we can. I

136would suggest it be a 10-year. I I am intrigued by the substitute um uh effort and know too that we're all going to have to tighten our belts yet again on preschool in order to do what we need to do. We'll move across it. Can Can you go back to that slide that shows the different types of levies? You mean to keep going? Um, the slinky slide. No, it's got the uh substitute levy. Oh, is that 11? One more. One more. Maybe not. Maybe even one more. It's 11. Maybe 11. No. Go back. I think it's the other direction. Oh, there you go. That one. No. No. Go forward. One more. Maybe another one. Where's I went through the whole There it is. Seven. Yeah. So, so the I just wanted to get some clarification

137here on the substitute levy for 48 million. It won't be flat. It will have money that could increase based on new construction and and uh retire expiring tax. Correct. Which is different than just renewing over 10 years. That's correct. A substitute levy wouldn't cost existing um real estate taxes taxpayers to pay more just new ones. Correct. Interesting. So what happens now with with the $48 million with new construction, everybody else's bills go down because it gets spread. You have more people paying in. Right now what they would do is take the new values of new construction. So instead of being 48 million, it'll be 48 plus some number and that becomes the new level. What my concern is some of the language in some of these House bills on whether that would throw us under

138the 20 mil floor or not. And so that's the um the language that I've been we'll have a little bit more research to do, but we'll I'll get back to you on that. So is the dollars increased that that changes the millillage? Yes. Board member Matt. Um yes, thank you for the presentation. Um so just seeking your guidance and direction on this. I know we have the options available and I know we will be having to make a decision soon, but I'm interested in knowing what would be maybe hypothetically the recommendation that you as well as Superintendent Murphy proposed to us as we're trying to really um think through the decision here. Um, so my given the pressures on property taxes, my my first advice was go for new money now or more money now.

139Um, these last couple years in budget cuts has been very very painful. And so, um, we're starting to cut into our successes. And so, but given the political climate, um, we can't we can't risk not passing it. And so, if we went with the $ 48 million 10-year, um, or possibly the substitute levy, at least it'll bump up um, some revenue. Um, and it kind of depends on what happens with the benium bill because in the governor's budget, we're losing five million one year. Um and then but the House bill rent uh change um we're actually getting another million dollars. Yay. Um so yeah, it is. Um she said it's better than losing 10. Um, so my and my best advice right now would either do a 48 million 10-year, go with an income tax

140levy next year that combines the new operational need with for inflation, whatever losses we have for state funding and um some of the career tech expansion. You could even add in, we'd have to figure out how big this was, but you could add in some of the uh smaller facility repair plan. At least they can get started on some of the more concerning areas um while we figure out what to do for the longer term future. Sorry, that was really helpful. Um and I'm wondering if you could capture that maybe in like a graphic where you're able to where you're saying what we would spend. um in the renewal levy or what we're hoping to accomplish in the renewal levy as well as with the in income tax levy. I think that will be helpful

141like visually not just for myself but maybe for others just so we can see what options are available as we're thinking through it a little bit further. Okay. So if I let me repeat what I think I hear you saying. So for the next board meeting come back with a slide that shows the different options under an income tax levy and what it could be funding over the next few years. Got it. Yes. Thank member Gray. I just want to also kind of bring back to mind though one thing before we move too far past this part is that we also have some facilities needs that we actually currently have no means of paying for. And the reality is I think it's we can put some things into yes and we can come up with

142some ideas. Yes. That still is not guaranteed to pass next year. Um, but at some point we have to have come up with some dollars to pay for facilities needs that we've been putting off for the last two or three years that we've had presentations on that we've been told multiple times need to get done. And so, you know, the one thing I do worry about is again, I think some of the conversation we're having around needing new funds is very much true to what the climate is, but I don't know that necessarily we'll see a different climate next year. And so I think we it would behoove us to have something more than just a one-year plan towards whatever we do for a levy because I think if we're having just a one-year conversation

143every single time, then maybe towards board member Lindy's point, we'd have to go back and justify every time we'd ask for that next dollar. and for everything that we ask for the next L4 as opposed to having something more comprehensive that shows that we have a longer term plan that would get into what's been thought about with regard to the bond levy uh possibilities in 2030 2031. So I just am going to add my two two cents in last, but I I'm I'm supportive of the the renewal as a substitute. I also think this is the while the climate is glim politically, it's also kind of positive that people are paying attention to what the governor's budget is doing to public education and what the the the nation is doing to public education. So explaining

144that we need we're we are trying to be sensitive and coming up with an income tax levy as a means to not have to tax property tax owners I think would be very well supported and it would be appreciated amongst property tax owners. I think it's about messaging. It's about getting um this passed because this is supporting our littles and also our attempt to try to just not raise property taxes but look at a different form of generating revenue. And I think that's messaging. I think that's awareness and education and getting people to understand using the momentum that's already created. Um but I do think that and I also know we're going to have budget discussions uh for the next couple of board meetings. Jen's already given me an outline about what needs to happen

145when and so that's already been planned for our next meetings, but we do have to make some decisions and it's great that we're talking about this now. Um, but if you if you're asking for my opinion, it's the substitute so that we can continue to support the littles. And I think we also with regard to messaging need to state that if the renewal is not passed, it would adversely impact preschool promise very quickly and preschool education. That's a messaging issue. I think um a substitute and how this would impact uh current property tax owners and it wouldn't raise their property taxes but it would impact um others. We need to get with the city on abatements and kind of get some some figures there. But I am looking I as a property tax owner am

146wanting to see that the district is paying attention that this is a burden but also recognizing that the the state's not helping. they're taking away and this spreads it more equitably. So, um, did you have anything else? Was it board member Lindy? Uh, no. I I appreciate this decision a great deal and and as I said earlier, I think this in the budget may be the most important things we talk about tonight. Um, I think um I appreciate what member Craig said a moment ago that there's no guarantee that the politics next year might not be worse. Um, and I I wanted to just be really clear, you know, although I'm certainly open to the idea that our best strategy at this point is a 10-year renewal, I'm also open to us saying, you know,

147now is is uh now is exactly the right time to try to do something bigger. I think my point is just um if we're going to ask for more uh it it it cannot be give us more to have lower academic results like we have to have something we are offering that says here's why like co explains why our scores dropped it but that does not explain why over the last four years they have not come back when we've had significantly more spending per people than we've had in the past. So, like if if we're going to do it, we just need to have a case. And I what I wanted to ask before we left this part of the discussion was um I'm not sure what's happening next. I heard one board member say

148we should vote at the next meeting on a 10-year renewal. I heard other board members talk about other ideas and ongoing discussions. I just wanted to understand like what is the timeline and and when are decisions getting made. So, this part in in asking the treasurer and the superintendent around um what do they want the goals for April? This was one of the goals to introduce the levy topic, gather board feedback. What information do you want? Board member Maps shared some information that she needed to see. This particular meeting is about giving you where we are, kind of a lay of the land. Um, they will come back with that information. At the next board meeting, we'll have a further discussion and we can probably begin to draft that resolution on what it looks like.

149She'll have the treasurer will have a little bit more information around what the more succinct expectation is of the board. But by the beginning of May, some of her goals are that we by the end of May have that resolution drafted and ready to submit. So what we're doing is I've asked them to look at the month, what needs to happen for the month, what are their goals for the month, and then we'll fit that into board meetings for voting and then academics and then voting again. So we Sorry. No, no, go ahead. So, we will not be voting on April 21st on a levy resolution or we might. Um, I don't know if we're going to do it in April. May would be the earliest that I think we would be ready for that

150based on the goals that they sent me two weeks ago. I think that was that's sticking with their plan. So, probably not in April. Probably not in April. More likely in May for the resolution. Probably is not definitely. Um, I'm gonna say I'll never as as Pat Bugner says, never say never or always. Um, it is unlikely that a vote will happen April. Thank you, Superintendent Murphy. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. I, uh, just really want to share and echo my thought around this. Um, I agree with what the treasurer shared like 100%. I am very anxious about this upcoming budget for all of the reasons you already know. Uh we have heard from the last for the last three years how challenging this is going to be. This year is going to be super challenging.

151And if I thought that we were in a strong position to ask for more money, I certainly would be begging you. But what makes me feel really great about what's happening in our school district right now is in the fall, we're going to have so many celebrations and amazing stories to tell. I think that would give us leverage to be able to ask the public for additional money. So, I agree with the treasurer on the renewal at 10 years. Um, but not quite asking for additional money right now, but as soon as possible, please. Treasure Wagner, did you have other things to add? Um, not on this topic. Okay. I I meant continue. It's better to say. Okay. So, can we keep going? Okay. So, I'm actually going to turn the mic over to Mike

152and give my voice a rest a bit. I will jump in and help when needed, but um, so he's going to take over. Keep going. Go back to the um the timeline slide, Rob. One more. There you go. Cool. Thank you. Um so this is kind of the this is the timeline for the Ohio um budget bill. If we use the baseball analogy, we're in about the fourth inning now, maybe the fifth inning, you know, so lot of lot of ball left to play. Um but there is some updates. So next slide, Rob. So the big big thing that happened is the house released their budget um version of the budget bill replaced the governor's bill at substitute house bill 96. Um the thing that's getting the most talk right now across everything is that

153they put a cap of 25% on how much money um a school district can carry over from year to year. So so the idea is to basically keep school districts from carrying over more than 25%. That is very aspirational for us. As you can see, you know, we're at probably between 10 and 11%. We would love to be at 25%. So, the scary thing here is they want to direct C County auditors when there when your cash goes over 25%, they have to change the tax bills to reduce your revenue. It sounds kind of illegal to me, but yes, that's that. But it does not affect us currently. It would be a good it would be a good problem to have for us. So, uh, next slide, Rob. There's a bunch of other things in

154here. Um, one of the interesting ones is they took out the language on sale of unused properties. That's a win. Um, there's also a cap on administrative cost of 15%. So, we'll see what that really means and how they calculate that. So, next slide. Um, so just kind of go back to where this was the governor's budget as released. I think we've had this slide before and talked about it. This is where we got the $27.4 million loss. Um that has been a number we've talked about publicly. If you hit the next slide, Rob, you'll see this is the House budget and you'll see we actually our our um state funding goes up in both years. So that is that is definitely a win. What is odd about this is we've they've basically put a

155pause on the state funding formula. So we're not going to use a formula. we're just going to give you what you had last year with a slight increase. So, it it does end up being being an increase for us in both the years. Simulations have also taken out the state chair percentage, which I find fascinating. I think that was a pretty common criticism of where a state chair went to. If you go to the next slide, Rob, um so this is a comparison of the two. Obviously, you can see we do we do much better um in the House version than the governor's budget. So, that would that would be nice for us. Um, next slide, Rob. So then the question is, what does that mean for us? So we went back to our November

156forecast, which we did before any of the budget proposals came out, you know, so we did it in November. There was no nothing on the table. Looking now, um, a slight increase over where we forecasted. So if this is the law, our forecast was really accurate. Um, again, there's a lot to do. You know, the Senate's going to go through an entire budget process, but it would over a two-year period give us an increase of 7.6 million. The reason that this comparison is important is because the November forecast drives our budget target. Remember, our budget is not supposed to exceed our revenue. So, if our revenues go up a little bit, then we can increase our target a little bit. So, that concludes the good news portion of this presentation. Um, if you want to

157go to the next slide, Rob. So, two two are two budget bills or two bills that directly impact our revenue code. Um, first one is House Bill 186. This is one of those 20 mil floor bills. So, as you know, we're on the 20 mil floor. About 73% of all school districts are at or right behind the floor. Um and and of course in the last kind of updates as property values update really the increases school districts get are are are by the floor um fix undoing the house bill 920 roll backs. So house bill 186 what it does is it tries to limit your increases based on the floor to inflation rate. So this would not affect us next year because it's only done in your triunal update or in your reappraisals. So it

158would be a year out. Um but but the idea is that any growth you would get um from the floor would be counteracted by a tax credit that would put you back down to the rate of inflation. So that could could have a significant impact um especially looking backwards on inflation and property values. Next slide, Rob, is Senate Bill 66, which we've talked about a couple times. So this is the one that pushes a bunch of other types of levies into the 20 mil floor. So right now the 20 mil floor is based on your fixed rate levies. This would push your fixed sum levies in. This would push your substitute levies in. This would push your income taxes all into the 20 mil floor. Result of that is obviously you know again those levies

159would go down. You know we would lose a significant amount of money. You can see it on the slide there. So next slide. House Bill 42 isn't directly financial impact, but this is the one that requires school district to collect and report data on citizenship. I think you're all aware of that one. Um, next one, House Bill 28, and I think Jen mentioned this earlier, is eliminating the replacement levies, and this has already passed the House that's waiting for the Senate to take it out, but this would in the ability of a district to do a replacement levy. Next slide. Yeah. So, so kind of action steps obviously, you know, continue reaching out to your legislators. Um, you know, I think the big big shift that's going to happen this week is, you know, this

160house will probably pass their budget and so it'll shift to the Senate. So, so our, you know, contact our communication effort should be geared toward toward the Senate and we do have um templates written out that people can drop their names in. Yeah. Can we get those on the website? Maybe is that legal to do? I'm sure so people can go there and pick it up. This is kind of the end of the state updates. If you have questions, this is a good time to board members have any question. Board member Craig. Um, so again, thanks for these updates. I think it's inter again I do find it very interesting that they took out the same share from the house bill uh the percentage because I think again those were things that they did not

161like seeing um in certain places and it makes it sound like some prettier when you just give a dollar amount than it does when you put down what the actual percentage of your spend is. Um, but I wanted just to ask a quick question with regards to uh the kind of the adjustment with of House Bill 186. And like if I'm understanding correctly, you know, essentially what it's looking at is the fact that our because we only do housing updates on the on the cost of our housing and prices of what a home is valued at. So often there could be spots where a lot has changed in between those times where the growth in value in a particular area will differ from what the general GDP growth looks like. So you could have a

162neighborhood who may have had 40 50% increase in value of housing because of renovations and all this other stuff that would not be reflected in that 20 mill floor adjustments because of tax credits that would be given back to the are they given back to the homeowner I guess is the idea. Yeah, it's a it's it's it will be it would be show up as a credit to the homeowner, which I think is one of the ways to try to try to keep it constitutional is by doing it as a credit. So, in a in areas where you have a lot of development happening in a community in which they would change the demographic look of a community as well, you may have sizable Oh, and also we have housings that is not being that's

163not in the pool for which we would be picking from. you would have potentially a lot of growth in value that provides no additional uh benefit to the district for what you're supporting and the houses that still remains outside of the collection pool. And so I think that's again and couple that with the effort with the substitute levies, you know, then you say, okay, you can't go get that revenue any other way. It really is an effort to limit the ability to draw in from the value that's coming from supposed increase in cost prices we almost pay when we want to go buy a house and the lovely increases and all the wonderful parts to buying a house in the communities. But I I just think that it's a it sounds very calculated and deliberate

164and maybe that's because it very much is calculated and deliberate to limit a district's ability to grab revenue from what the community is supposed to be grabbing revenue from. All right, seeing no more board questions, is that it or more? Oh, well, I'm sorry, Vice President Bolton, just I just want to go back to one of the slides where you said something was eliminated. Uh, it was like the very first slide that you started with. It's so Oh, the um that one. One more. It was about property or um one more Rob sale of property. Yes. Can you repeat that for us? Yes. So, in the governor's version, there was language about um school districts being forced to sell property um if there wasn't a 60 60% use capacity used and that language has been

165out been taken out of the house bill. Okay. So, I know that was something we were very concerned about at one point. Absolutely. And then the other thing I wanted to u make mention of you said that they've suspended you know the euphemism of fair funding uh plan and it was supposed to go in over six years or so or six year phasing right and so really by suspending it at least this is what I read from the Columbus paper and it may be wrong by suspending it or not even delaying it but suspending it probably for a while. It really is looks generally like a $350 million cut in that it's not being pursued to in to implement that plan as we had hoped two years ago, which is as bad as it was.

166It was really an improvement that you could even from a justice standpoint start to to to validate and agree with. So, it's like 300. Now, at the very same time, the state is going to spend $1 billion on vouchers. That's a one slide I wanted to have tonight, um, and I wasn't able to get the information in time, but I will I will bring it to you, is, you know, they they claim in there that they increase money for student instruction by 2%. And they talk about how much money they're investing in education. What they're not telling you is how much is going to higher ed, how much is going to K12 vouchers and community uh charter schools. Um because there is there is a lopsided investment. So I was trying to get a pie

167chart together for you, but I didn't get the information in time because it's not readily available. And so you know a lot of what they they talk about like um if you go back to that last slide, uh Robert, this is how crazy this is. Keep now keep going back to where the the elimination slide there. So look at the second bullet. They're requiring they're eliminating the requirement that permits an individual to pay cap. Remember trying we're trying to get away from cash handling, right? Um and then they made us take cash at athletic events, but they only changed the rule for athletic events. So any non-athletic event, we still have to accept cash. Just makes our lives harder. Um, and so there's and there's a whole it's a huge document. There's um a lot

168of information that the academic side of the house needs to look at um as well, but I I couldn't put everything up there. I just try to put the biggest financial matters up. Okay, thank you. That it next. Next. Sorry, real quick. Uh update on the budget. Um it's a very unique process for this year. So go ahead Mike. So so this will be forever known as the pyramid slide I'm sure. Um so but what we're looking at is I think the last the last one of the last budget discussions you know Treasure Wagner presented three options and feedback from the board was to explore option three which was start at a a minimum level and then build back up. So we've been working through that. You can see the pyramid here. starting with fixed

169cost and obligated cost and working through you know what's state what's state funded what's critical what's required by our collective bargaining agreement and then what are strategic investments go to the next slide Rob um and you've seen this before this is a fixed and obligated cost there some slight changes um science of reading dropped off that that ends that sunseted um and we also added in the um administrative cost for the foundation from the from theou so that's change of that slide. If you go to the next slide, um, quickly just wanted to talk about state funded minimums. So, this is kind of some interesting work. So, as you know, we have a couple people working on their treasures license. Um, and so we give them projects to do. This is some of this data

170come from one of those projects. So, Adam Bessler, who's in curriculum's been working on, so I'm going to give him credit for some of this work. But what we did was we pulled apart um the state fund the state foundation report. So, you get a report every every two weeks. it's what the state's funding you for and look at what they fund. And so remember at a high level the state funding doesn't reflect, you know, our 65 buildings, our diversity of our schools, those sort of things. But some kind of wild numbers like according to the state foundation, you know, state funds 1370 teachers, um classroom teachers, you can see the groups there. You know, we actually have over 2100, right? That's a difference of 800 FTEEs. You know the state funds us actually pretty

171close the PE art music and tech teachers only about 11 of a difference there. State would say we should have 74 principles and APS you know we considerably more. State would say we should have 28 counselors we have 58. So those are state of the state funding formulas but that's a good place to start um as a as a base of what the state would fund. If you go to the next slide, Rob. Um, and then not all positions are in there. Like the one I use up here is building security. Um, state thinks we should spend about 1.2 million on that. Just looking at our employees is nine and a half million, right? But again, it's a one-sizefits-all formula for every district. So, so if you look at total state FTEES is 2004, they

172should fund. We're at like 54 5600. Um total CPS cost of those would be about 289,000. If you add that together with our 289 million. Yes. 29 million. If you add that with our obligated cost, that's about 350 million. 350 million total. So from our from our target of 624, that leaves us with about 273 million to to continue to budget. So two things to remember always state average salaries that they calculate on are lower than our salaries. you know again entire state think about most of Ohio is very rural and they just the cost of living is lower and as Jen treasure always points out the state's only funding 36% of whatever they think we should get so take whatever the numbers the state gives you and multiply that by 36.9% and that's what

173we actually receive next slide so next steps so we kind of got layers one and two layer three we're working on now we have some meetings uh we have a meeting actually tomorrow with the leadership team and superintendent Murphy to go through a lot of that data and then we're going to layer on what's um required by collective bargaining and then strategic initiatives I think that is it. Yeah. Well, uh, Vice President Bolton, I want to thank you very much, and I know it's been tedious and and conflictual and and and terribly difficult, but as a person that's been on the board a very long time, more than half of the years I've been on the board, I've been on the finance committee. I'm actually seeing a building of a budget instead of trying to

174get to a number. Uh, and this is very helpful. will really help the board and the community understand what we do. I mean, we you all are doing this all the time, but doing it in such a public way right now is, I think, very helpful. Building a budget is a lot different than, you know, cutting to get to a number and because it really tests us as to what we value, what's important, how we prioritize. Uh, I think this is great and I know I I'm pretty sure that the finance committee is is is very interested in in not having to do line item votes as we've had to do in recent times for good reason, but also not having necessarily a thumbs up, thumbs down kind of thing to a giant package uh

175without us having full confidence in in in in what philosophy is represented in the budget. So I I think this is very exciting and it will I look forward to uh I think the president has scheduled this for April 21st another kind of round at the budget. I look forward to the administration reporting back. So I think that I'm just kind of reading the room. It's kind of it's like woo. It's a lot. Um it is a lot and and we've got a lot to do and a little bit of time. However, I will say thank you for the presentation and you all don't get a chance to see, but thank you to our treasurer and our superintendent because they really are working behind the scenes to ensure that not only um the budget is

176done with some fidelity, but that we're getting that information so that we can make some decisions. The reason why we had those old business presentations is because we need to get approval of certain things in order to that that impact the budget. So, we're a little they've been working really hard and trying to get um some of this data, some of these things done uh so that we can make some decisions. Um and and I've always I'm reminded people say, "Show me your budget and I'll show you your priorities." So, the things that you value the most are in your budget and you're funding those things. So, um Treasure Wagner is going to get some information back for board member Oh, board member map has a question. Okay. Yes. I'm just trying to process this

177here. Are we um based off this option that you provided to us, are you're are you recommending that we refer to the state funded minimums um as we're building the budget? I it's it's a starting point, right? It's it's your absolute minimum and then you build up from there. Okay. So with that, I I guess in how I'm looking at this, that would mean we will possibly have to make some significant cuts based off of what is um this kind of spreadsheet that you provided us with based off the state formula FTEES and the CPS FTE. Would that am I interpreting this accurately or am I off base here? I think there's really two points to it. One is how poor the state funding model is for us. So I think that's that's like the

178first takeaway is is the state funding model does not represent what we do. Um but but I think the second takeaway is is if we agree that this is the absolute base then then the questions become what do we add on to that base to get to to get to a fully functional budget. So so like I don't think anyone's saying you know go to those numbers at the end but you start from those numbers. But even in starting at those numbers, it could potentially lead to some significant cuts if we aligned. We're looking at significant cuts no matter what we do because we're our uh revenues have reduced. Okay. Okay. But the way I'm processing it is accurate, right? So, this just gives us an opportunity to figure out where what how do we

179get the biggest bang for our buck and where do we want that buck to go instead of just rolling over and cutting things because some things are easier to cut than others. So, this way what um I think it was vice president Bolton said is where you start adding your value statements on where you're going to spend your money. So, we're early in the process. We're not here to freak anybody out. Um but we're just starting like we said we're going back to zerobased budgeting. We're starting with zero. You add the fixed costs. You add the state minimums. And then you build up from there. And some of the decisions will be very difficult because they're very emotional decisions about where are you going to spend the next dollar. You know, we faced with choices

180with, you know, are we going to add higher level of transportation and versus higher level of nursing services or add back, you know, some kind of curriculum versus some other kind of material. We don't know what those choices are yet, but that's what we're working on tomorrow. Okay. And so I guess the other point to this is as you're building the budget up, starting at that foundational level for the state um funded u minimums, there could be opportunity to maybe add on after having an idea of where we are. Is that what you're saying? Okay. Thank you. And we'll keep you informed of the progress as we go. Well, member Crosset, thank you. Uh first of all, I just wanted to thank you for the methods that you're using to to do this and to

181build this. Uh appreciate it seems very logical, professional way to do it. So, thank you very much. I did want to uh uh add to your comment about the state minimum uh not being very helpful. it it it's too much skewed down by the rural districts and it's a pity that there isn't maybe a a minimum for urban districts to to I agree and I'm not sure it's even worth time trying to build that or compare that but I I get it why you started with the statement you know well I mean even if you look at the 613 school districts you go from school districts that have 65 buildings over 91 square miles that's so it's going to cost us more to transport in addition to staff versus a school that's got three schools

182in it or a district that has three schools in it because um that formula works better for the smaller districts, not just the urbans, but smaller districts. And so that's part of the push that I'm making um with my colleagues is to try to get an urban formula versus a everybody else formula. And and I I failed to mention that Mike and I and a few others in the treasures office are going up to Columbus tomorrow. It's the annual treasures conference. Um and we will be getting a lot more information and have the ability to voice um our needs and so um when we come back we'll certainly give it an update of what happened up there. Okay. I feel sorry for Aaron Roush. That's okay. For member Lindy. Uh thanks. Um could we go

183back a slide to the pyramid or maybe more than one slide? Whatever. There we go. That's great. Thanks. Um yeah, I I want to say how much I appreciated the the presentation. Uh and I think particularly the order of operations. I I do think this way of building the budget this year is the one that makes the most sense. I appreciated the options. I appreciated the recommendation. I just I cannot think of a better way to go about this given the context that we are in. Um, I've been thinking a lot lately about um a a phrase I first learned from my old principle uh which was about facing the facts and keeping the faith. Um, and that what's what great leaders do is they acknowledge the brutal reality that they are facing no matter

184how brutal it is. Um, but they maintain some kind of optimism that they're going to prevail in the end. Uh, and this is a brutal reality, you know, like regardless of what levy decision we make this year, uh, regardless of of, you know, um, I hope that our lobbying efforts are successful, but we are ultimately going to have to figure out how do we make it work with the money that the state gives us. Um, and I think the slide just did a nice job of of visualizing that, and I appreciate it. Um, I think, um, there there is um, I had like just two two other two other things I wanted to add. Um the the the term strategic investments and number five just makes me sad. Um because I think ideally and you

185call it whatever you want but ideally a strategy drives everything. You know if I am keeping the faith in what could be true for CPS. Strategy is not the last thing you do with the extra dollars you have lying around. It is the loadar around which you build an entire vision, direction and plan. Um, and what what's so challenging about this are the way the interlocking parts kind of make this so hard. You know, we don't control what the state legislature does. So many of our costs are driven by all kinds of obligations that can't So, I mean, I I empathize. I get it. And I uh but it also makes me sad. Um, me too. Uh, and I think I think this could be different, you know, like as we think about what is

186our long-term levy ask whenever we do ask for new money. um if we're rene if we're negotiating contracts that that drive so much of our cost structure to think about those in some kind of integrated way so that we're saying look if we really put this together over a 3 to 5 year period here's what could be true um and then we're not stuck in a situation where strategy is literally the last thing we do with the extra dollars but the the organizing principle around which we build everything else I think that's possible you know but like it really does taking a like a multi-year view and and bringing all of these things together. Um, and and I think my my my last thing I wanted to say was um, you know, with whatever dollars

187we have this year at the end, my hope is that we can make decisions on how to allocate them based on what we're seeing work in other schools around Ohio. Uh, I I continue to believe that we can do better by children than we have done so far. Um, I mentioned the performance index earlier and how that's lower now than it was in 2016. Uh, even if you look at our math scores, uh, in all but one of the tested grade levels in CPS, more than half of the kids did not pass the math exam last year. There are schools around in Ohio that serve students that are just as economically disadvantaged as CPS students and are getting higher results than we're getting. My hope is that when we get to that last bit of

188dollars that we do have when we're choosing how to invest them, we're basing those investments on what we're learning from other schools in Ohio that are doing things with kids that we're not doing here yet. Uh I'm optimistic we can do that. I wish this picture were different. Um I understand why it is what it is and I really appreciate the hard work that you all are doing. Thank you. Thank you, board member Craig. I will try to be really brief here because I feel like we're on pretty good ta pace here. So I don't want to ruin our pace, keep us here longer. But um I just wanted to harp on something that I think has been really great about what is being done with this thought process. And that is a lot of

189the things that we do and we talk about doing. There are things that the state requires of us, right? And they usually are unfunded because the state doesn't like to fund things. Um, but I think one of the lessons we have to learn about building a budget, and this is where I think going forward, if we're doing this same type of process, is that we will know several of these col several these parts of the pyramid will not change substantially each year. We'll just be figuring out what that number is, that amount, so that as we build budgets for future years, to board member Lindy's point, you can then start to say, "This has been successful. So maybe this is no longer something we want to do. this is something that's critical to how we

190operate a program or activity or or or whatever. And then there are some things that we will say, man, this is just not working out the way we thought it did. This is, you know, our strategy on getting success doesn't work that way. But I do think to to that point, you don't get to the three to five year plan unless you have really put down a a a process that allows you to figure out all those little things of how they connect to each other, how you're going to measure them, how you're going to look at the success. And so that's actually the work that you all have been doing for the last few years with looking at our uh KPIs, looking at quality improvements is to get us to a point where we

191had a system in place where we could start to say whether or not someone had a measurable outcome of difference that showed a benefit. And I think that's the hardest part about doing a budget is because we all like stuff. We all will love stuff and if you put it down at one time, it sounds really great. Did it bring the added value that we thought it would? Did it create the growth that we thought it would? And that's getting into your point B and Lindy of how you your three to five year plan is you start to know what are those benefits, what are those costs, what are all those things that you would be factoring in to think about it. So I appreciate all the hard work you all are doing to build

192the bottom of the pyramid so it'll be a steady bottom of a pyramid that we'll have a foundation to build from for the future. Thank you for being my voice tonight, Mike. Vice President B. My pleasure. I I just I want to second a couple of things. One, because the state minimums are so irrelevant to us, I I I I know this is crazy, but I I don't find a problem with talking about strategic investments much earlier in the pyramid. I I totally understand why it's there because it's like the next thing we it's the it's the last thing. But see we we are leaving maybe the most important thing for whatever is left. So I I think the critical operations piece I understand that and certainly the first base but not to belabor it

193but I I just think that minimums are so irrelevant uh for us and and what what should be critical to our operations should also have in part be determined by our strategic investments. But I but this is f this is fantastic. I think we both appreciate all of your input and we were just whispering about changing a little bit of our strategy for tomorrow based on the feedback you've given us. Great. Okay, board members, we are chugging along. Thanks. Thank you. Um, board policy chair Lindy, please update the board about the following alcohol waiver resolution. No problem. Um, we had some scheduling conflicts with our regularly scheduled April board meeting because of spring break. And as a result, we're going to hopefully merge a step we usually do in policy committee with a board meeting

194tonight to be helpful to the community at Kiligore Elementary School. Um, the there has been um for people who are um Mr. Crosset, I think we had one or two of these last year when you were on policy. This isn't new to anybody, but um when a parent group or a school group uh wants to host an event or sometimes a fundraiser where alcohol will be served, um we need to formally make a a motion to approve that request. It usually comes to the policy committee and we then re recommend it out to the main board. Again, because of the uh spring break scheduling conflicts with our March meeting, um we were going to do that in this meeting here. Um and uh I'm Mr. Mr. Hoy, I'm very happy to just make that recommendation

195here. Is there anything else we need to do or anyone we need to hear from? This is a group that's done this before. Um, this is not an unusual request, but I I would like to make sure for that group that we can get them an answer tonight. Okay. So, I think it is it is the recommendation. Um, I'm happy to make this motion that we approve this resolution tonight. Um, and I thank you for your consideration. Do board members have any further questions or comments? Second. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm just trying to rush my timeline here. Um, are there any questions or comments? Board member Craig. I just wanted to make sure we're specifying uh which one of the because I think there are two waver. There are two. Board member

196Lind is talking about the Kilgore Elementary School um alcohol waiver. Yeah. Happy to happy to make a motion now for both if that would speed things up. I'm good with So I'm going to I'm going to friendly amendment modify my motion that it be on both A and B. There is a game soon. That's a sick. Okay. I was going to say game or no game. All I'm all for meetings ending earlier. I'm loving it. So this is the opportunity for discussion. Yes. Okay. It's been So, um I am in favor of the Kilgore waiver, but I have uh concerns about the um March 28th uh invested neighborhood waiver since that was something a date that already passed and so or an event that has already passed. If I'm reading this correctly um so it

197didn't go through the proper channel for um approval. That is correct. I am going I'm going to offer just a little bit of context for that. So that particular item came up due to timing of that particular organization and I'm going to defer to uh Vice President Bolton who has a little bit more specific information. Go ahead. Yes, a scheduling issue as well as as the president mentions uh the uh event uh did not know until quite late into their process of invest in neighborhoods which is a major uh part of the what the city does regarding the neighborhood uh conference and convention if you will. They didn't know until very late that they would have enough money uh as part of uh the weekendl long effort by all the neighborhood councils uh to actually

198have a dinner. And by the time they knew that they had to have a dinner, there was nobody meeting be committee or board. And understanding that uh what we needed to do, it has to be a board thing. It's not something the administration decides, but indeed uh because of our partnership with the city and our partnership with invest in neighborhoods, they asked to use uh our facility here, which is not a school, but an administrative where there are no children. And uh indeed um uh administration made sure that they adhered to the insurance uh request and also adhered to what would be needed uh regarding the facility. and they met those standards and uh it is a retro it's a retroactive uh but in no way wants to be a precedent but it was again

199in deference to our partnership with the city. Okay. So I did check with uh general counsel um to make sure we weren't breaking any laws and so it's really an issue of our policy and so um we can retroactively approve this if that's the will of the board. And I'm also making a recommendation that we look at and you all will see this. It's on board docs. Um I had them put in um code 7,000 under property and use of district facilities and property. When I went back and looked at this, it needs to be updated because it says on on the second page under I a waiver submission for sale or distribution of alcohol must be submitted for review and recommendation to the partnership public engagement committee, which we technically don't have anymore. So,

200we need to update that and I would like for the policy committee to do that. um to kind of update that and then also consider maybe making any type of adjustments that would account for the two circumstances that we just have. Should can it go to another committee? Can it go to just one board member signing off on that and then it come to the board for final? I don't know. But we need to update the particular policy on that specifics. Do you see it? I haven't looked it up and I get all of that, but again, it is very concerning to me that there is a policy that's in place. And so, if there wasn't the proper submission of the um waiver ahead of time, I mean, it could have even been submitted even

201if they weren't weren't sure about having the dinner. So, it's very concerning to me to move forward with approving um this retroactively. Um, and also just thinking in terms of messaging, what does that send to other, you know, individuals or parties that would like to have a alcohol um, waiver but not follow the process? I agree. Lindy, and even I think I'm just struggling with a more basic question. The event already happened. It did. So, what are we approving? You know, I'm gonna I'm not gonna act like I know. Um, Council Ho, can you come up here, please? Because I've had extensive conversation with our general counsel around this. And I wanted to make sure a we weren't breaking any laws. And I will say this, um, I received notice of this, I think it

202was one or two days before, and there was a budget committee meeting. I didn't know if it could go to the budget committee, any committee. I didn't know this instead of policy. So that's when I started entering into conversations, but it still was within days. No, no judgment either way. Like I I think my my my primary question is just like it seems moot because the event has passed. So like is there anything we need to approve or can we just table this one? I don't know if it needs to be on record. I don't know that council Hin. That's what I'm asking. I I don't have an opinion on that either way. I mean did they serve alcohol in the CPS building without a waiver? I did not attend. I don't know. Does anyone

203I don't know. Vice President I think the reason that it has to come before the board is so that we are not establishing a precedent that be because of this timing situation and because of our interest in having this relationship with the city. The reality is we did something that uh is not necessarily the way it's supposed to be done which by the way I hate to tell everybody but that happens quite often. Uh but but I think we we want to establish that the board's supposed to do this rather than setting a precedent that it's the administration's call to do this for even though it's moot. I'm all for doing that. I I I'm not in good conscience going to retroactively approve something that we didn't approve ahead of time. I'm I'm happy to

204to motion on the Kilgore one because that's upcoming and forward-looking. Um, I'm happy to support another resolution, but I don't I don't want to approve something now for an event that already happened that we didn't approve. Could I add one more thing? Sure. In the very beginning of all of this some years ago, this never went to policy committee. As you mentioned, it went to partnership committee and it initially was always a full board uh action period. It didn't take up committee time. it didn't and because it was it was just the way to do it. But I think a resolution saying that the moving forward uh gosh that this is something that the board has to decide which that's fine. I don't well that technically is already there. We can just change the wording

205under I to take out part PPE committee, but it says all waiver requests must be approved by the board of education. So that that language is already there. Um to to the point is is there some sort of policy that all alcohol waiverss need to be on record? And I'm asking that question because I'm wondering if if there is no approval of a of an alcohol waiver, what does that do? Because you you shared with me we're not breaking the law. So it's not a legal issue, what would be ramifications? This is entirely a board policy. It's it's the purview of the board. The board policy says that alcohol should not be served. And then the board makes, as you know, regularly makes exceptions or waiverss to that policy. For the Thank you, Mr. Wing.

206I didn't mean to interrupt you. For the purposes of moving forward, I'm going to withdraw the original motion. I'm going to motion to approve the kill war. Okay. If someone would like to second that, we can move on and then somebody else can make a motion on anything else they want to do. Okay. So, we're going to withdraw that. Board member Cross, do you approve the Yes, I second the Kilgore motion. the I did want to make a comment about um the retroactive one. Um I get the idea that maybe we're approving something that's already happened and it's moot, but I also like the idea that it's identified and then it's acknowledged because that way uh it's less likely that some things are going to get under the radar. So maybe the the motion for

207on the retroactive one isn't to approve, but just to acknowledge that it wasn't was it was covered by insurance. Correct, Dan. By the by the organizers's insurance. Yeah. So, it was covered by insurance. The events happened a little while ago. So, there's sort of no harm, no foul in terms of uh any uh result of the consumption of alcohol. So, there's so maybe just to acknowledge it rather than to try to approve it might be the motion. I think that we're going to go back with the original motion, which is to approve the Kilgore, which you've seconded. We'll get to the other one and then we can decide to the wording needs to be changed because it's not an appro uh waiver to approve it since it already happened. So, it would need to kind

208of go back and be fixed. So, um there's been a motion and a second for the Kilgore waiver, alcohol waiver. Can we vote on that? Yes, Mr. Mr. Craig. Yes. Mr. Crossson. Yes. Mr. Lindy. Yes. Miss M. Yes. Mrs. Weinberg. Yes. Vice President Bolton. Yes. President Moffet. Yes. Um I want to look at the wording of the um the retroactive one because I I I would like to have something on record. this waiver is is um is saying that, you know, we would be approving it retroactively and I think the wording needs to be changed. So, I'm going to suggest that we withdraw this because we can change the wording to acknowledge that um it didn't follow the policy and that it happened and we can recognize that it happened to board member Cross's point.

209We can acknowledge that it happened. Um, but I don't Yeah, I don't think we need to put it on here as a um to request a waiver because they didn't request a waiver. Um, does anybody oppose? Yes, ma'am. I think that's a great idea. So, would that be the motion that you then would be making if you remember the word writing on what you just said? I thought that was perfect. Yeah. Yeah. That you were acknowledging that the process wasn't followed, etc. And we're just going to reward that to be a resolution um to acknowledge what I just said to acknowledge that the proper procedure was not followed. However, the event happened and uh this is on record. This is just acknowledging that on March 28th that happened and we're not approving. It wouldn't be

210an approval. It would just be an acknowledgement. Is there a second for that? Second. Um, let's do a vote. Any discussion? Does anyone oppose that? Board member Craig. I I just want to say I think it just sounds weird to me that we are approving that someone did not follow protocol to ensure that people in the future do not follow that sure that people in the future follow protocol. Like I just I don't I don't see the point in it. So, I mean, I can't really support it, but I just don't really understand why we're acknowledging something that they did not follow protocol to prevent folks in the future from not following protocol. Like it just seems weird to me. I think that sounds fair. What my intention is is to have it on record

211that the event happened and that alcohol was served and it didn't go through the board as the proper procedure. That's my intention. But if you all don't want to to acknowledge it, I don't know what else to do because I feel like this has not happened. I don't know. You said it has happened before. I don't know what the procedure is when this happens. So, I just was intending to make sure that it's not a resolution to request a waiver, but it is a res it is a resolution to acknowledge that this happened and that because it did happen. So, there's a record for anyone else that audits us to say, "Yeah, that event happened, but it didn't follow our seedure." Well, member Wineberg, you had a your hand. You were acknowledging first. I was

212just going to say, what would be the process if we didn't acknowledge? Could we get in trouble for something? I just want to make sure that nothing is going to come back. after this event has already occurred in which they didn't follow the procedure in the first place. According to general counsel there, it's not a legal issue. It's just a violation of our policy. So, it's not illegal. They had insurance and they had um what they needed as far as everything but the board approval. So, there would be no legal ramifications. It just would be our own record and technically we don't have to acknowledge it then. Probably not. I'm just just say something on this. The the alternative to this since we had a scheduling problem that didn't allow us to do the Kilgore

213thing or necessarily in the in the most timely manner, the alternative to this is that the mayor, the city manager, the assistant city manager, and virtually every community council uh chair was present. Um, and the alternative was to uh not do it. And perhaps if if the issue is we shouldn't have done it. Uh, that's that's one thing. And it's unfortunate that I didn't bring it up to finance committee because we had a shortened finance meeting, but we didn't even know if finance was allowed to do it anyway, but we had a shortened one based upon the Aken uh game that was uh happening. But again, um, acknowledging that we did it is I think and living through this last 15 minutes is probably as much a penalty as anybody needs to, uh, ever do

214anything, not according to the policy or guidelines. So, I I just want to say I don't think that the answer is to not do it. I think the answer is to not have alcohol if you don't have the permission to do it. So, that to me is the resolution. they can absolutely have the event because they did go through the procedure for that and they could ab but they just couldn't have served the alcohol but again maybe we I don't and that's board member M just having gone through several alcohol trainings it we know that alcohol is a huge liability so yes they have insurance but there could have been a number of ramifications that could have occurred at our at at our district without our approval and so I do think it's quite concerning

215And I think the larger issue is that the fact that there was alcohol served. So yes, you could have still had the event absent of alcohol. That's a good point. So we have a motion on the floor. Board member Lydia, I'm sorry. Go ahead. You know, I'm not going to vote for this. Like for all the reasons everybody said, we make a big deal about how important it is to follow procedures and follow process around here. We should stand for that. So let's just withdraw this for right now. in the best interest of time, we're going to just withdraw it and then we will we'll figure it out and then we'll come back a little bit later. So, um do board members have any um assignments quickly. Vice President Bolton, I would like to assign

216uh to general counsel uh that uh a memo u come from the administration that is um attorney client protected or covered to explain to us the uh Trump Justice Department's interpretation of the Civil Rights Act that has provided them the opportunity and apparently ly the authority to make demands on school districts K12 regarding DEI and the withholding of federal funds based upon that administration's interpretation of the Civil Rights Act. Did somebody record that? Okay, thank you. Any other assignments? What member Lindy, this may be um yeah a possible assignment. Um and then this may be a request for information or like a inquiry. Can I share both? I'll be very quick. Um we had a speaker tonight about the Hide Park Square development. It came up at a recent board meeting, too. Um, I really

217appreciate the superintendent meeting with the principal and sharing that email with us about their concerns. I know there was also a letter that went from the development corporation or I'm going to get the word wrong, but like from the development group to the superintendent and to the school. Um, as I talk to people, I keep having this experience of like one one person says, you know, um, 2 plus 2 is 4 and the other one plus says 7 * 7 is 49. I'm like both things are true but you're clearly not talking to each other. And so I think my request was just going to be um could the someone of the superintendent's choosing whether that is you the principal I mean you would know best who this is meet with someone from the development

218group to try to like if if we can't hash this out you know I'm happy to to I don't know like figure out what happens next. But like from hearing from whom I've heard from there's a lot of energy to try to work together on this which I think would be the best possible outcome and that was going to be my request. So you would like the superintendent to designate someone to work with the city? Not the city like the the group who is doing the development. Um like it would be the people who sent that letter. Um, and I don't honestly know who the right person is, but like I I think the best thing that can happen at this point is for the right people to sit at a table together and try

219to figure out where there is real conflict or where there's an opportunity to work together and that was going to be my request. May I just ask a clarifying question? Are you talking about only for the hide park school portion of this or for the neighborhood portion of this? I think from my perspective like what we we hide park school is a part of our district and so I'm I'm thinking most about the impact on the hide park school and families who go there. I think the superintendent would have the best perspective on who the right CPS person would be. You know might be the principal but you also have other perspective. Um that's what I was thinking. Okay. Okay, I'm just going to I'm just asking for clarification because Superintendent Murphy sent us an

220email around Principal Sunderland's response around the development and then Councilwoman, Council Member Anna Albby sent us a report that I sent to everybody Friday and it talks about CPS's their in the developers position on what CPS's involvement is. So, I'm wondering, did you want more than that? Because they have a they've done a bunch of extensive reporting from the city standpoint, city council standpoint, the developer standpoint around what our obligation is. So, I think I'm sorry. I didn't know if you wanted more or did you want just that? If if the school still has concerns, I would like to request that there be a sitdown with the developer. Okay. Uh if the school has no concerns, great. Um but I I take the school's concerns really seriously. Um and and when I asked um people

221who were working on the development about the school's concerns, they would say things like, "We've offered to try to address that and nobody will talk to us." So like it just it makes me think that like there's an opportunity for real human beings to sit down together and try to figure out a smart way forward. Um, and then the last thing was just I know we have a committee of the whole coming up next week. Um, I was going to request if it's not already on tap. I had an outstanding question about why the algebra 1 results had gone down and I was hoping we could hear the answer to that question uh at the meeting that we have next week. Thanks, Boet. Just wanted to uh reiterate what uh board member Lindy has requested

222his assignment around hide park school in particular though I want to be sure that that that the convers I think the face toface conversation is important not just some emails and especially have it focus on uh student safety and in the sidewalks and all that. Thank you. All right. Um, hold on. Let me go to my cheat sheet. Oh, did you I'm sorry. Vice President on Hide Park. I think what the community has asked us to do is something you've already done, President. Uh, I think you have met with the city and have talked about it and we do have the joint meeting coming up, but I think the community wants us to try to convince the city to delay whatever vote they are going to make until we have been able to meet and

223advise. Is that is that where it is? What are your thoughts? they are prepared to vote I think April 22nd just through their own committee processes the the only um there are certain city council members that don't agree with it don't support it there are some that do I just forwarded the request that the that our families have asked for these particular studies I think they've done all the studies except for one which is an MOT study I don't exactly know what that is but that's what they've requested and so that the last report Councilwoman Albby sent in said from the developer that CPS's involvement would be around traffic in and out of the school and that that would be our responsibility to monitor that at our own expense. Um and that was the last

224thing that they sent out. She sent that report and I I forwarded it to you all. Um I do believe the High Park community is prepared to come to our joint meeting. Good. And um I I just shared with council members that asked particularly Vice Mayor Carney, we don't have the money to pay for any guard to be out there as far further than like they they suggested a sheriff. We don't have the funds for that. And so um that's kind of where we were and you all have all that information. I sent you all all of that information. Um so if you want something additional, you can send that to the superintendent. I have an assignment to the policy committee to look at um the 7510 and amend that language that says the partnership

225public engagement committee because we don't have that committee any longer. and then explore perhaps if possible ways that maybe if we do run into timing and committees aren't meeting and it's maybe a rush maybe any opportunities if you all deem it necessary that um there could be a conditional approval and then um and then it go to the full board for final approval if you want to explore that since you already have to look at the PPE. So that's the to the assign to the um policy committee. Any other assignments? Yes, ma'am. Um yes, I just wanted to reiterate the um request earlier for uh the treasurer around the um levy recommendations. Um and as my fellow colleagues talked about kind of that comprehensive uh recommendation. Um and then for Superintendent Murphy looking into the

226summer school data um to see if we're seeing improvement and growth within our student outcomes. And then lastly um as we talked about budget and we've talked about resource coordination um I talked to you Superintendent Murphy about uh the counselors um being surplus. So, I still would like to receive that information or some of the counselors being surplus. I would like to receive that information on what those staffing allocations look like. Okay, board members, the other major thing before I lose uh board member Lindy is that we need to um update the calendar for no uh for 2025, November 2025 and the CPS calendar for 2026. So, I believe it's on board docs. You can see it there. In November of 2025, there is a capital conference uh that the majority of board members do

227attend. And our current Rob, do you have that one? Can you pull it up? Our current approved calendar allotss for a meeting on the 3rd of November and then a meeting on the 17th of November. I'm told that historically there was a desire to not meet the day before election day. So that would be the 3rd of November. And the request is to shift the to revise the meeting calendar to shift those dates down one one week. So it would be meeting on the 10th and meeting on the 24th. That's one option. There's option one. Another option would be to take off the 24th meeting because that is Thanksgiving and most people are going to be with their families. Remember, we have the whole week off now. And to make the board meeting, the the

228cow on the 19th an actual special business meeting. So then we would meet on the 19th, conduct our board business, turn that into a business meeting, and then um not have a meeting on the 24th. So we need to make that decision around approving the calendar and revising it. The left is the existing but the board member but the capital conference is going to be on the the we thought it was going to be on the 9th or the 10th but um we would have to shift those. And so I need you all to look at that and then make a decision. Likewise, Rob, do you have the other one on the 2026 calendar? It would be the exact same alternate OSBA has adjusted the capital conference and so that has shift the need to

229shift our calendar. So, Jen, Treasure Wagner, um I just wanted to make a note that November is when we have to do our forecast and so we would have to move finance committee up a week in order to make either one of those time frames work. Okay. Do we need to do the finance committee movement in the full board or is that just the committee moving that? That's just the committee scheduling it. just but the chair's not out in the room but um we would we have to file November an approved November forecast by the November 30th. So if we remove the November 24th um meeting to the 19th it just pushes everything up a little bit. Gotcha. So I need to know what the preference is of the board members. This is the first

230um reading of the calendar. It will have to go for 2026. But this is the revision for 2025. Bo member Lindy. I have no preference. Former Craig. I would say um I would for the purpose for the reasons that treasure Wagner gave, I would probably prefer to keep the 24th date um as a meeting date. It may just be a very abbreviated meeting. Um so if maybe that's the if we if we just shorten the meeting itself, that business meeting, it might serve the same similar purposes. But uh I think it's just very difficult to move up so much stuff in a place from the committee end. Um say that one more time. I'm sorry. You when the committee the the scheduled time that we do the meetings for the finance committee has been also

231part of the the nature of how we get information in. So to move it up would almost kind of change some of that part of it as well. So having it on the 24th, even if it's just a very abbreviated short version of a business meeting, might allow us still to do the same thing to have the the five-year forecast, but maybe not have as extensive of a meeting on that date as it otherwise would be. Okay. Any other thoughts? No preference. And then to keep the 24th recognizing that the that all the schools are closed, so staff would have to come in that day. I guess no preference. Um just thinking about the election day for those that are campaigning that may be quite difficult to attend um a board meeting. So So let

232me ask this question. Is everyone um okay with moving the shifting it down to the 10th and the 24th? And then I'm hearing there's no preference for a meeting to it's okay to shift it down, but then there's no preference for cancing the 24th meeting and moving it to the 19th, but board member Craig said keep the 24th. So we've kind of got different. So right now, is that what I'm hearing? Keep the 24th shift and then shift. So moved. I was going to say, is there a motion? Is there a second? Second. I'm sorry. Treasure has to know what is that board members. Are you wanting to do the 25th and I'm sorry, the 2025 and 2026 is we're doing those together. This is the first announcement for the 26 calendar. So moved. Thank

233you. Need a sec. Second. Thank you, Treasure Wagner. Mr. Craig, go ahead. I'm sorry. Sorry, I had a question about the uh the 26year calendar. So, is this just for our board meetings or are we able to add additional questions about just the calendar overall? Well, my bringing this up was just for November for the November because we've already approved the calendar, but it was just to shift November. Okay. Okay. Now for the 26th calendar, you can ask about anything, but um November had to be adjusted because this is the first announcement of the 26th calendar. So you can talk about anything on that one. So just a quick question um about the 26 calendar. Um when will we potentially know when we will open uh open schools and when we will be ending? I

234know there was discussion before, but when will we be able to have it reflected on the calendar? for 2026. Yes, I believe you all approved that last meeting. The calendar that was for 2020 2526. Was that 25? You approved 2526. I thought it was 25. Okay. So, you approved through July 2026. Yes. So maybe then this is just to modify the November section of the 2026 too. Yeah. Well, and I'm just looking here and it's just saying to be determined. So just wanted to make sure it was reflected. So you're asking me now if we have a um 2026 2027 calendar yet. We do not. That's okay. No, I was just think I was thinking it was 25 26, but I could be off. I'm just going off of what's here. Whatever. So, is this

235for 26 27? Go up a little bit. This is So, you all just approved 25 26 which will take you through um July 2026. We've not presented you yet with a 26 August. Okay. 27 July calendar yet. Sorry. Okay. I think there's just more months than we need to see. But for November, whatever it is, it needs to be shifted. Okay, Mr. Crosset. My motion is only for November. Gotcha. And we already had a second. So, Treasure Wagner, let's vote. Mr. Craig, vote yes for both. Mr. Crosset. Yes. Yes. Mr. Lindy, yes. Miss M. Yes. Mrs. Weinberg? Yes. Vice President Bolton? Yes. President Muffin? Yes. The proposed consent agenda has been distributed. Um, Treasurer Wagner, please make note of any um, exceptions. Okay. Board member, I need a motion and a second to approve the

236items of the consent agenda. So, moved. Are you seconding? Second. And then I have something. Okay. Yeah, I had to think about that. And then, um, are there any exceptions? Wber. All right. I have a list on uh page 16. This is in the super recommendation. The treasures or superintendent. Super. Okay. Page 16, section D, athletics, line one, line two, line five, and line 11. And then on page 18, section G, line four, and line 27. And then on page 19, section G, line four, and you're abstaining from those, correct? Absolutely. Yes. I would like to abstain from the superintendent uh recommendation uh recommendation number five and from the treasures report on page 11 items number six and nine page 12 items number three and four page 13 item number seven. Any others? Treasurer Wagner,

237let's vote. Um, Mr. Craig, yes. Mr. Crosset, yes. Miss M, yes. Mrs. Weinberg, yes. Vice President Bolton, yes. President Moffett, yes. Do we need to review the assignments that were made during the meeting? Does everyone have them captured? I'm going to assume we do. All right. I will gladly entertain a motion for adjournment. So moved to second. Second. Okay. A unanimous cons.