CPS Board Business Meeting February 24, 2025

001e e e oh good seeing a quorum of voting members I call the February 24th Cincinnati school board meeting the order do it that way no be a little louder there we go seeing a quorum of voting members I call the February 24th CC school board meeting to order um treasur Wagner take the roll call I'm sorry good afternoon Mr Craig here Mr Crossett here Mr Lindy here miss map Mrs zinberg vice president Bolton pres president M here superintendent Murphy please introduce our wonderful student leading Us in the virtual pledge absolutely today we have the students from Westwood School where their principal is Mr Chris Grant please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance IED of Al to the flag of the United States of America the for IT stand One Nation God indivisible liy

002and justice for all all right vice president Bolton please explain the virtual hearing of the public thank you very much members of the public who are online and wish to speak during the hearing of the public this evening may do so by clicking the chat button now the chat feature will be open for your requests for five minutes if you would like a direct response to your questions please make sure to share your name your affiliation to the district your school Community your topic and your contact information thank you thank you the chair will call for a motion to revise the current agenda and add a resolution to appoint a new Treasurer is there first and second so moved second thank you do we votee on that discussion oh I'm sorry discussion uh is there

003going to be a separate vote to approve the rest of the agenda yes after this is done we're going to vote again to approve the rest of the agenda great I have no discussion I think I understand board member Lindy we're going to vote on the revision and then we're going to vote to approve the agenda or do we do it all in one correct yes okay so we're going just do it once okay then then I'll this is super quick um we were corresponding thank you about uh the recommendation that Mr Crossett and I have with uh superintendent Murphy for that final part of her evaluation tool I think we can do that tonight very quickly because the three of us I think are presenting a United recommendation and I was going to ask

004that we could put that on the agenda tonight uh I think given its importance I'd love to do it early but maybe after hearing of the public but I do think this can be much shorter than any of our prior uh discussions on evaluation so are you suggesting to add that maybe under um maybe just right before presentations five minutes okay get it done and then we can move on to the rest of our scheduled programming sure I'm sorry could you state the topic superintendent evaluation so that would be 6 a I'm just clarifying um it would be between four and five he's wanting to do that I'm I'm was going to make it a 3A we'll just do that right after the resolution 3A got it you just tell me and I will make

005it very quick thank you gotcha Mr Craig yes Mr Crossett yes Mr Lindy yes vice president Bolton yes president mofin yes tonight's agenda is approved as revised so we have a resolution to appoint a new Treasurer Mr Craig and Mr Crossett would you please present the resolution appointing a new Treasurer all righty uh so I will read it here um I am presenting a resolution appointing Michael Gustin treasurer of the Cincinnati City School District whereas treasurer CFO Jennifer Wagner recently announced her retirement in 2025 the Board of Education recognizes and appreciates Miss Wagner's service to the Cincinnati public schools and whereas the Board of Education retain the services of the Ohio School Board Association to assist with a search for a treasure to succeed Miss Wagner the board received applications from numerous candidates including accomplished

006treasurers and school administrators at other districts the board conducted interviews with the strongest candidates and arranged for the finalist to meet other District employees and stakeholders and whereas the board is grateful for everyone involved in this process including other candidates who applied for the position the board is confident that the search has led the board to select the best candidate to become the district's new Treasurer and CFO be a further resolve that the Cincinnati board of education resolves to appoint Michael Gustin as the district's next treasur and CFO effective September 1st 202 the board authorizes the superintendent to offer a contract of employment to Mr Gustin to be approved by the board at the earliest opportunity um so I submit this uh resolution and hopes for a second um and support Second any discussion by

007board members yes I just want to uh specifically call out and thank all all the folks um some of our uh various Union stakeholders as well as our audit committee members and other staff who helped participate and and gave their feedback and uh all of the candidates who apply for the position I think when we set out on this journey to try and uh figure out who would be our next Treasurer it was this question mark of like how many people in state of Ohio even can be a Treasurer let alone who would then apply and we had some really uh amazing folks who applied for the position and really amazing folks we've interviewed and I just want to thank everybody who's participated as well as specifically Quinn who has shephered us from osba through

008this process and made sure we stay on task and on on on the Target and so again I'm really excited of our new selection here and I look forward to working uh more with Mike in in that capacity but I think it's also just really important to thank all of the folks who participated and uh helped along the way in helping us make this decision what member cross it yes in addition to uh the thank you that uh Brandon expressed to all the people that helped us I also want to thank Brandon for his leadership in guiding this search good job thank you does anyone else have anything else so vice president Bolton I um I really appreciate the fact that um we have been able to make this decision and have great confidence in

009the decision that we made and uh feel very good about the the future within the the treasurer's office and the treasury itself treasure Wagner thank you um I just wanted to say that I'm actually very thrilled um I think you made a wise choice um Mike and I have worked together for 10 years and um he's gonna he's going to be better than I ever thought of being so good job going last I will say that we had two really great candidates I'm so proud that we decided to stay within homegrown and um I we have full trust in mrug Gustin and for the leadership that he's been under thank you Jen treasur Wagner and we're looking forward to some amazing things in helping us remain fiscally transparent and fiscally responsible um unfortunately it's a

010daunting task nobody um school funding is not sexy but we will um we're willing to definitely work together treasure Wagner would you call I'm I'm not going to be the only board member who doesn't say anything um I just wanted to say um Mike uh really enjoyed your interview thought you did a really good job um excited to work together and I think um it was clear in some of the feedback that we got from some of the groups what a nice job you've done um building relationships with other people in the organization so excited you're here uh lots to do congratulations does anyone else have anything to say treasure Wagner would you call a vote tearing up here Mr Craig yes Mr Crossett yes Mr Lindy yes vice president Bolton yes president Moffett yes

011[Applause] we finally made treasure Wagner cry uh board member Lindy oh I'm sorry wait what are we doing I didn't know if we were doing something else board member Lindy would you provide an update on the superintendent evaluation scoring committee meeting I will thank you we we are not a formal committee uh we are just two board members who volunteered after our last board meeting or during our last board meeting um but the the last step I think in getting the we're so we passed an important set of updates in December to the eval policy they are good we're in a weird year because we had a superintendent start in the middle of it so we have been working hard to try to put in place the parts of the eval policy that we can

012in this first year in a way that makes sense I appreciated the CH the draft of the tool that Mr Crossett created we met together I think there was a healthy exchange between three of us with some things changing some things not changing um and superintend I just wanted to just check with you that collaboration is an important part of this policy and so this is a good one if and only if it's built with your recommendations in it do you feel like that's true of this recommendation we're making most definitely and appreciate the efforts and energy and time of both of you Mr Lindy Mr Crossett thank you that's great there really is is is um very little that that changed from the draft that Mr Crossett presented I think we made sure that

013there was a target for this year for each of the goals and I think we changed it from having two mid-year reviews to just one given that it is late February um other than that I think it's basically the same is that fair that is correct okay and and it's it could be a tool uh that's structured that could be used in in future years it may not need a whole lot of tweaking as we go forward but we'll see that's great I don't know that other board members have seen it I I think uh we I think we presented it or passed it out with the original at the last meeting and folks can just we talk about the policy yeah the only changes are we got rid of the second midyear review given

014the time of the year that we're in and we made sure that there was a aligned Target for this school year for all of the different goals and that I think that's it right and that was only one goal that there only one that changed yeah great so my ask would just be I I love the report but could you just put it in writing and send email it to the board members like just email what you've shared if there's a change to it and we already have it just put it in writing that that's great Mr Crossett I think has the last version of it would you mind sharing it with people we'll do thank you and from a process standpoint um the policy does require us to take a vote to approve it

015um and so I think we should do that um but I I do want people to be able to see it uh and I also want the superintendent to have Clarity because there's not that much school year left um I think one way to do that is we could come back to it later this meeting if people want to PO peek at it while we're here or we could do it on Monday I just I'm sensitive to the superintendent and that would put her in merch I'm going to suggest Monday the reason being is because we have two board members that are not here I've not seen it and I can't guarantee I'm going to look at it during this meeting so I think to be fair and and to be able to do it

016with Fidelity let's just put it on the agenda for March the 3D and then everyone will be able to have seen it send us an email and everyone will check their emails and then we'll get back with any questions yes sir are you saying that spreadsheets make your eyes glaze over they're just not sexy they're just not sexy so vice president yeah I I think that makes makes sense to do March 3rd and I appreciate all the work that's gone into it through the policy committee uh and Mr Lindy's leadership on that particularly and then the scoring piece I do have the continuing question about um the 60% and 10% piece is that figured into I know it's not part of the scoring sheet but uh where are we on the 6010 or 5010 or

017whatever and then also the ability to indeed uh write uh commentary uh or are we um the scoring sheet alone what um where where is the status of that for the evaluation so the the scoring sheet reflects the policy so it does have a 60% 10% 30% categories uh the 10% is not related to results it's related to whether we're checking in with the superintendent so it's and then the 30% is related to the state standards and U and I can walk you through it to to help and I I'd appreciate that but but that does mean that 70% of the Stu of the superintendent evaluation will be on uh student results that is incorrect only 60% the 10% is not on results it's on whether or not we have good check-in meetings with the

018superintendant during the year it isn't a it isn't a 7030 it's a 6040 that is correct is that that's right and I think this is a bitter point to Dr M's point about doing it Monday people should read this maybe if if U Mr Crossett and Miss Balton could connect on or I can I just think that he wrote it and so want to make sure it the only thing that his up in answered is the commentary but we can talk about that on Monday yeah thank you so we will put this on the agenda for Monday board members if you have any questions um check your emails throughout the week so that we can feeli those questions um superintendent Murphy let's see do do any board members have any acknowledgements or announcements board member

019Craig uh so I just wanted to call uh out because I didn't do it before um we had the so we had the regional ethics Bowl High School ethics Bowl competition a few weeks ago two weeks ago was the uh or two weekends ago really should say like week and a half ago um was the uh divisional round and so while I don't have the results because they wouldn't let me know about it I know that we did we were represented by Walnut at the uh divisional re divisional High School ethics bow competition and that puts us against other schools from across the country um so I just wanted to give a shout out to the folks at the at w Hills I also wanted to shout out specifically there's a specific student and I

020I'm blanking on her name but um who is now in the F in at UC who wasn't ethics Bowl competitor who will be actually assisting with one of our schools so we expand to an additional School into the competition next year um but I think it's really a great sign to see one of our students coming back to the district to help give an experience to other students that she got while she was a student so it's again a great sign of what our students will do to support each other and to support our district great anything else I will share that I had an opportunity to attend uh Dr uh rudnick's CPS quoir it's all of the artists from all of our schools the choir and um they had a wonderful presentation and the

021strings uh from uh at Hughes last week and it was awesome uh I do have on Facebook some of the Snippets from the um the performance but they just were awesome aome and it was interesting because the students were in the audience cheering on their teachers and it was just a great great performance so thank you to all of them I did tell them I was going to post this but it really doesn't do much Justice if you can't hear it because they really really really performed well so thank you for the invitation and for a wonderful performance uh board member Weinberg asked me to share about the women and sports conference that was held here by the district on February the 11th and she shared kudos to Josh Harden and his team for a

022successful women in sports conference here's some more outstanding pictures and they had a wonderful panel of women in the sports industry with student input and then does she have one more was that it okay uh the only other thing is that we uh her and I both attended and she was supposed to sit in a picture for the readathon at Fair viiew along with yep the there we go the uh red legs uh we we she she read her book or you know she had a reader and then I read one of my favorite books which was corduroy and Miss Weinberg read her book that she has published and so thank you to them for having us out it was a great time I think that's concluding all of our announcements superintendent Murphy yes thank

023you so much we do have one certificated member of our staff who's planning to retire longtime principal at Mount Aries School Angel Rody and then by way of announcements uh I think uh General council hoing is going to prepare to come to do a little special presentation but while he's making his way also in the general council's office we have a special kudos to Stephanie Scott she's our assistant general council member and there should be a slide on this one she was recently recognized by the YMCA as a Black History Month Spotlight congratulations to Stephanie Scott and then on the next slide I to my my my picture was a little more busy so anyway um uh congratulations again Josh Harden works so hard in his entire team uh also a highlight about the women

024girls and women in sports conference where our vice president our board member Mo Weinberg board member Weinberg was a participant and the other thing as uh General Council comes in celebration of black history month again to Josh Harden we talked early in the school year about the possibility of partnering with blackowned clothing store and you board member have on the back of your chairs our Black History Month um shirt that we are selling uh to the public and we hope that you will enjoy your T-shirt this year Dan I I I prepared this uh a couple of years ago uh during February for our leadership team and uh this year the superintendent asked me to share it with uh principles which I did last week and and to share it with you so I I'm

025I'm a student of CPS history I really enjoy reading about it and learning about our history and um this slide deck highlights uh the school district's history and educating black students um a qualification before I start I'm very well aware that there are others in this room who have far more knowledge about this subject than I do and um I I consider this just sort of an evolving project that uh I welcome your feedback and um um I don't know I'm very very proud to do it so just for some background um Ohio was founded as a part of the or was settled as a part of the Northwest Territory so in 1787 even before the US Constitution was passed in Philadelphia uh a group from Mostly from New England went to New York to

026um have the Northwest Ordinance passed and the Northwest Territory consisted of Ohio and and uh Michigan Indiana Illinois in Wisconsin and the ordinance was the sort of governing document for that uh big new section of the country and and two of the really important things about the Northwest Ordinance are one that it banned slavery uh at a time when slavery was not banned in uh most of the fledgling country um and two that it was that education would be highlighted and really important in the new territory and so Northwest Ordinance you know the the is founded Ohio is founded on these very high-minded principles kind of Puritan principles and and so you know just 15 years later when Ohio was founded as a state with the first constitution in 1803 again High minded principles about

027education Banning slavery um and and that's how the the state was founded we know though within just a few years after Ohio is founded as a state the legislature is passing what we're called the black laws which were prohibitions and and made it very difficult if not impossible for free blacks from the south to move up and settle in these new Ohio towns um required black people to uh register with the clerk of court pay a bond of good behavior um they weren't allowed to participate in the court system or the school system so not withstanding the sort of high-minded ideals of the state just within a few years after the state is founded there's 's already discriminatory legislation being passed um a little bit more history so so again 1825 Ohio allows uh the

028first tax uh property tax to support public schools and that's about the time that our schools are being founded 1827 is when William Woodward and Abigail cutter donated land for the building of Woodward the first uh real school within Cincinnati public schools um the Hughes gift was 1824 but his school was not built until 1851 um but but there are schools public schools being built at this time for the benefit of poor children not for the benefit of black children black students weren't admitted to these schools and so black business owners were coming up with their own paying property taxes of course but coming up with their own funds to build uh schools for their CH for black children um next slide so 1852 is when um and Reverend Dangerfield early was the first he

029founded the first sort of homeschool for black students in Walnut Hills um some of the heroes of this time Peter Clark is the first black teacher uh in Cincinnati uh namesake of course of Clark monori and um by 1872 early's little home school is is far at outgrown its uh utility and so there's a new building built on Elm Street the current MMS MMS Place location Uh current site of Odell Owen school where uh a large and and important building for educating black students in Walnut Hills was built it's um a few blocks away from where the Cincinnati common school was educating white students that's the building on the corner of William Howard Taft and Melrose which um is still there um I think it's D school now but it's it's still there that's that

030was built in 1871 and um so the 1872 school was a really big deal um there was a separate school board for the black schools at that time but there were some really important people on that board Joseph early that's the son of Dangerfield early was one of the board members William Hartwell parum uh was a teacher principal and later left education at the age of 49 to become the first black graduate of Cincinnati College of Law and elected to the Ohio House of Representatives we had a school named after Mr parum in Evans it became I think Evanston with the merging of parum and Hoffman schools that's right um so he was an important guy and then Robert Gordon was the third board member he was born into slavery but learned to trade and

031became a coal dealer in Cincinnati he actually sold the bricks to the Cincinnati um board to build the school he was on the board and sold the bricks that would be a conflict of interest at this point uh but at the time that was pretty common I guess all of this sets up um 1887 the the black laws are pretty much eliminated legal desegregation was prohibited in Ohio by 1887 and that sets up just my my what I what I think of as as really a golden age for the school district at the beginning of the century so my favorite period of time is this period from 1910 to 1915 within those times this is like the first FM P for the school district because 1910 the new Woodward building is built on 1310 Sycamore

032Street the one that's still there and is Lofts now 1913 Dr John wiro opens his school in Hyde Park purchasing Land from the estate of Andrew urken Breer uh founder of Cincinnati Zoo and then two major black school schools to educate black students were constructed in this same 1910 to 1915 the first is the Frederick Douglas School that was built in Walnut Hills same site as where the Elm Street School the MMS Place location this is a brand new building constructed in 1911 it's state-of-the-art 19 classrooms a 350 seat Auditorium uh it also receives a new name the Frederick Douglas School specifically holding itself out for the education of black students and the philosophy that they followed at the Frederick Douglas school was part of the the same as web de boys so it was

033all about academic Excellence it was an argument that social change could be accomplished by developing a small group of college educated blacks de boy referred to this as The Talented tenth this was going to be the elites of our society essentially and that that's what's going on in Walnut Hills at the Frederick Douglas School across town in the West End Jenny Porter future namesake of the haes porter School founds the Harriet beer Stow school she's got a very different philosophy her philosophy is she she's reaching out to the poor migrant black families in the city and she's following the sort of Credo of Booker T Washington to teach a trade to students and So within this brand new Harriet Beacher Stow school also you can still see the Harriet Beacher sto school it's a Spanish

034Colonial building on 7th street it's a current site of fox 19's headquarters uh ABC has its offices in what was the Harriet Beacher sto School built in 1914 this same period again sewing shop print shop she they've got a farm in College Hill where they're teaching kids agricultural arts and and she was all about again this sort of Booker T Washington model of building up black wealth over Generations but she was roundly criticized be as as a segregationist I think her nickname was Jubilee Jenny um she was she was criticized by the black community as as a segregationist essentially and she was criticized that brings me to the third and and last by the founder of the NAACP Walter Wendell dobney who has his own theory about how black students should be educated and he

035was an integrationist he thought that we have you know in the late 1880s they Bann the black laws our kids should be attending the same schools as white kids and so what what I love about this age is at least I think of all these folks as you know having a bonafide you know belief in the education of black students and the the lifting up of black citizens in our city but they have three really different views on how that should be done either the sort of uh creating an elite class at the Douglas School a sort of generational wealth through trades and things like that at the um at the Harry Beacher Stow school and then domney who wants kids to go to school together um and and they were they were starting to

036go to school together that's the presentation I find it to be a really fascinating part of time obviously the history goes on and and segregation with in Cincinnati public schools did not end of course uh there was the Bronson desegregation uh legis litigation in the 70s and 80s led by Maran Spencer but um I think it's relevant because it shows that CPS has a history of striving to educate all the kids in our city and I'm very proud to be a part of that I know we have different philosophies sometimes and different ways that we think it should we should go about it but um always striving to educate all the students in our city so thank you thank you well Daniel left but board members do you have any questions comments board member Craig

037I I would just say thank you again Dan for doing the presentation I think it's important to remember especially in this era that we are currently living in the necessity to recognize and appreciate the challenges that got us to where we are today and the folks who along their pathway open new doors open new places um I think it's it's an interesting experience for me at one point several years ago a friend of mine and I went and looked up all the names of who were on our buildings and CPS that we could remember to try and figure out who some of these folks were because you never it's not something we teach in class it's not something we cover on a regular basis a lot of times and so you started learning about people

038people's names and different people's experiences and the things that they did to give back and the spaces they gave and the land that was um how the city developed and how the city expanded from downtown up and and how this became part of that journey is is we created new spaces as we went to new places um so I appreciate you know the the presentation and I I want to also just say I feel this kind of way that we sometimes get lost in this thought that the journey to fully integrating and fully moving everybody into the process has ended it hasn't there's so many of our students who today do not get to experience the world the way everyone else that their friends with do they don't get to experience the world in the

039way that um I might or that the rest of us will and I think it's really important that we say something to them in this time where they may feel left out they may feel lost they may feel left behind that we care um there's a lot of stuff happening especially in our state right now that is not going to be helpful to those students especially our lgbtq students but to our students who are facing their own personal family issues or things that are going on in the globe that really affect them we should be a district that they always remember cared that their teachers care that our parents care that our Administration cares that this board cares it's part of the reason the board passed an equity policy it's part of the reason the

040board constantly is striving to make sure that we give experiences to those students but it's important to just say sometimes we care so I really appreciate your presentation Dan it really gives us an opportunity to say how much we care in this timing thank you vice president Bolton yes thank you for the presentation and uh I too share the love of this uh District's history which is uh legendary and actually leads the nation in many many ways uh and nothing is more important in American history maybe except the Emancipation Proclamation than the Northwest Ordinance it's the most liberal most radical thing we ever passed uh and of course after they had a chance to deal with it the state legislature in Ohio kind of ruined it but what's new uh but I would I would

041suggest on this that uh the reference throughout this is that we will be having a bicentennial and we can choose which year we want to use and I think right now we're choosing 1827 as the beginning sort of but we could choose other dates as well and I again uh I think many months ago when folks from Walnut Hills came in they made a very strong case about the history of um Douglas School uh and the presence of keeping a CPS school at in Walnut Hills and I would say about the Douglas School some research that that I've been able to do over time is the Douglas school that you point out actually probably was the first Community Learning Center because it offered not only the schooling experience but it offered all sorts of uh

042Services uh for uh families and for students and neighbors uh including Medical Services uh including nutrition and what have you so again that's a longtime history here for us as well but Dan it means a lot to all of us uh to have you do this and uh we should as Brandon mentioned when you do and I did it once before I think for the board uh you look at even the names that our our schools carry now uh when we uh looked at that we initially looked at it because other places were finding out that the people whose names were on their buildings uh maybe we're sus suspect but we went through all of ours and each one of them was a a Trailblazer each one of them had something to improve the community

043so we have a great great history here and we're the oldest District that we have on this side of the alagan and uh we are we lead we don't follow so thanks this is great Dan thanks for doing it board member lendy uh thanks I can be be very brief I just um wanted to say how much I appreciated this presentation and how much I also uh like this history um and I think it can be important and Powerful to think of the work that you know uh whether it's as a teacher or building principal or a superintendent or a Schoolboard member to feel like that work is part of a longer history and that we are writing its next chapter and that this history uh has good parts and it has bad parts and

044it is an ongoing battle to see whether our better angels are going to win uh and we have lots of opportunities in the coming weeks and months uh to do that together um so thank you and I appreciate it I'll just add thank you Dan for this I really wish that this in some form could be maybe on our website so that people could look at this like oh here she goes again but I think that there is such value in the information that you provided not only for the historical reference of the people that are named but the time period is also significant um I would also share my mom lived she she's not that old I won't tell you her age but she remembers segregation she remembers not being able to go to

045Coney Island because they wouldn't let black people and she remembers a sit in at Ain High School in order to teach black history and she talks about that often and so some of you this you didn't mention it but Marian Spencer was on this um slide as well and there are his there are people who were Trailblazers for Cincinnati public for our city who are living walking talking history books and it would be really really great to have this on the website or at least accessible to students so that they could know that the schools that they go to have pride they come from something these people lived and worked and lived in Cincinnati and did everything that they did so that they could have what they have right now and so um I used

046to tell my son if I'm getting on your nerves read a book because that'll take you someplace else but this history might be able be what the kids need to kind of help them as well so I invite you to put this on the website in some capacity send it around so that um our students can benefit thank you so much for the presentation um moving on vice president Dr MAF can I just quickly just really quickly tell you thank you for allowing us to do this on the agenda after it was already published uh we didn't want to miss the opportunity so thank you thank you thank you for being assistent I appreciate that anyone else vice president Bolton the chair is yours to please conduct the hearing of the public thank you very

047much we are now at the item on our agenda for hearing the public each speaker will have two minutes and will address all comments to the presiding officer if you're online once a request to speak has been granted you'll be invited to enter you should click on the camera icon to go interactive provide your name your affiliation to the district your school community your topic and your contact information if you'd like to have a response or of any question you may have this request is consistent with the board protocol and we appreciate your help in the unusual event that someone is not willing to follow this protocol we reserve the right to end that person's time again each person will have two minutes to speak when the timer goes off your time is up please

048refrain from discussing any Personnel matters after speaking if you're online you'll briefly see a welcome screen again as you transition back to live stream meeting finally we ask that your public commentary be respectful of all listeners thank you very much and tonight we have two in person do we have anyone online Rob Madam chair we have uh two uh let's start with the online folks if we could thank you our first Speaker tonight will be Sally GMS ABC Sally you can unmute your microphone and I will start your video thank you rob looks like it's asking me to start my video hi everybody good evening my name is Sally Grimes and I am the executive director of activities beyond the classroom or ABC I am here tonight to enthusiastically invite everybody who is listening to

049experience the vibrant sounds of jazz at the fifth annual CPS jazz festival 700 p.m. on Saturday March 8 at the Aronoff Center for Performing Arts this free event showcases the incredible talents of over 170 CPS children from throughout the entire District they've been practicing their hearts out all year in preparation of putting on a fantastic show for you children will be on stage with two guest artists acclaimed Jazz musicians Camille Thurman and Tanya Darby and we'll feature the world premiere of an exciting new Jazz composition written by our very own Dr Isidor Rudnick please join us to help cheer for and celebrate our amazing student musicians at this free event I look forward to seeing you there March 8th 7 p.m at the Aon off for more information visit our website at abc.org thank you

050thank you very much thank you Sally our next and last online speaker will be Hershel Daniels herel you can go and unmute your microphone and I will unmute your video thank you thank you I want to thank uh that presentation uh for uh CPS I'm a member of the National Business League which is Booker T Washington's organization we had the 124th meeting from 1900 last year and this year we hope to Feature work Cincinnati at the 125th annual meeting of the booker te Washington's organization and National Business leag uh specifically I want to thank the superintendent's investigative committee uh in our proposal and that we're looking forward in the coming uh week uh or weeks uh to follow up on it and especially in light of the dear colleague letter that was issued by the

051United States Department of Education Office of civil rights on February 14th talking about deia and terms of title six of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 you should know our proposal was structured to meet this letter that we expected to come from day one of the Trump Administration which cancelled executive order 13985 again Cincinnati public schools we look forward to working with you to set a model for the nation's 177,000 Public School Systems to meet the challenge that has been made for America's education in the 21st century and we look forward to working with you with our groups of uh who are coming to the table as we give an explanation of the financial process that is in and we're glad that you have a new Treasurer uh that we uh look forward to working

052with him and you to advance education in Cincinnati to create 21st century graduates so that 97% of the students congratulate congrat okay thank you and now we have two uh inperson uh speakers uh we'll start with uh Mona Jenkins and then we will have uh president Julie sers Miss Jenkins is coming to the podium good evening It's Mona Jenkins and I a resident of Walnut Hills at for tonight um since I do not have authorization to speak on behalf the leadership roles that I hold um I too Dan want to thank you for that presentation in the highlights of Frederick Douglas um and a reminder that just a year ago Frederick Douglas on the verge of being closed so I hope tonight's presentation does go up on the website so that we are constantly reminded

053how much it has contributed to Walnut Hills the neighborhood but also the city of Cincinnati overall not just the building the namesake the people the community because one of the things that we are trying to continue is an overall Community Learning Center Beyond just the school building itself but within the community um back in December several community members and leaders um were asked when the phase two was approved um for us to be included into conversations to discuss how that was going to be rolled out we're still asking questions regarding what is the transportation plan what is the communication plan I'm getting calls that some parents still aren't aware of what is happening um I would like to give them the best information so not sure what's going on um have not had any type

054of Engagement other than we're being told and I feel like there should be a holistic approach from multiple stakeholders to kind of devise the best plan um that is needed again what is the transportation plan since and why is are Frederick Douglas students being asked across corridors if these corridors were set up for improvements within uh the enrollment but also to align with the neighborhoods I'm not sure why our students are going two miles when the walking distance is 1.5 Evans sent it's 1.3 one also advis to have Community conversations across with South Avendale Evon and Frederick Douglas we have not seen that yet thank you very much president sellers the public is reminded that uh due to contract uh regulations as president sers is able to go beyond the two minutes if indeed she

055chooses to do so thank you so much um I'm here this evening and I would like to invite all of you um there is going to be on March the 4th there's going to be a national day of action to protect public education in um across the whole United States um our our national Administration wants to slash the education and Health Care funding to pay for tax cuts for billionaires by gutting the US Department of Education on March 3rd and 4th Educators students parents and Community allies will take action to demand support for public schools and oppose these harmful Cuts I know we're here in Cincinnati but this is going to be taking place across the entire country it is not just with aft but it's also with Nea so on March 3D we are

056going to come to the board of ed so we can publicly speak out against the dismantling of the US Department of Education and speak up um and people can sign up to speak at that time then on March the 4th we're going to have clapin at CPS schools we've already ordered really nice posters and signs and people will be making their own um all CPS schools will be able to participate with that clap in for their students so we can show that we honor our students no matter what the government is saying about them Tuesday March 4th um that will happen um at the start of school and each school has a different start time then on we will be having at 2:00 with at the intersection of William Howard ta and Collins Avenue we

057are going to have a press conference and that will take place at 2 o'clock and it will be labor leaders from across this whole area and we are going to call on vice president Vance since he lives here within our district to prioritize Ohio's children over tax cuts for billionaires um the consequences of cutting and gutting federal education funding is there are 26 million vulnerable children in every single School District rural suburban and urban that will lose critical Services designed to get them ahead and on grade level there are 7.5 million students with disabilities which is about 15% of students from across the country they could be losing critical access to special ed services funded by the federal government there are 10 million students from working class families who could lose need-based pel grants for

058their to go to college and they could be losing their subsidized student loans increasing College costs for working class families which will then create an even more critical shortage of teachers um many teachers teaching is a pathway into the middle class for their families there are many many teachers who are first gen um college students who go into education and they are our strongest teachers many times there are 12 million students across all 50 states who would could lose access to career and Tech education programs designed to help them master the skills and knowledge required for employment in today's rapidly changing economy so students parents and Educators in our community are all going to stand together to show that we are on the side of our students here in CPS and that's why we're Marching

059for our kids on March the 4th now I want to just give you a little bit of background because there is the idea that oh they're going to send those federal dollars to the States but if um if um they are talking about Distributing those funds to individual student vouchers to families instead of it going to the district those um idea dollars could go to the family which families in Ohio would receive only about $2,000 per eligible student um to help them provide the extra supports that they need for um their children's special needs in Ohio there are 551 million federal dollars that are in title funded schools here in Ohio 522 million federal dollars in the Child Nutrition act for funding for schools and $423 million in um funds for children with disabilities we

060don't know exactly what's going to happen but when they start talking about um choice and vouchers that is um scary for those families because they really won't be getting the Professional Services that those students currently receive through um um schools within the state of um across the country not only are we under attack from the Federal government I hope that all of you are are reading House Bill 96 and that is the K to2 summary within the budget Bill I know when we were talking about making sure we have a growth plan and making sure that we don't have underutilized schools and there were people saying well it hasn't really happened so we don't really know what's going to happen um it is going it is in the budget Bill and it will require require

061all school districts by November 30th 2025 that's next school year and annually therea to report to the state the following any real property that has been used um by districts for school operations including academic instruction or Administration that's not been used to full capacity for one year or any enrollment data and current enrollment for each school building that's been used for direct instruction whose enrollment is less than 60% of either um either the building building's maximum student enrollment or the building's largest student um population in the last 10 years when they say that um these schools are underutilized that is um they are including any school building that's being used for less than 60% capacity and those schools can be taken over and it eliminates the requirement to um um it requires the district to

062offer any unused school facilities to high- performing Charter Schools either inside the district or outside of the district and it would go for not market value but at a um rate that is a fair uh a a fair value for for educational purposes which we don't know what that means and that these um if there are more than one charter school who wants to buy is interested in in taking over one of our buildings it goes to them not to the highest bitter but it would go to a lottery and one of the schools would get that so by making the changes that we made and you made and everybody's been working so hard on we've saved many many buildings Within in this District because we had schools that were over enrolled and under enrolled

063and now the enrollment is balancing out but just so that you know the dist the state is um adding over a billion dollars of of voucher money again for more expansion of vouchers and if these dollars are federal dollars coming through we know how they're going to be funding those vouchers so I just want to say we all need to stand together to protect our schools we need to make sure that we have the highest quality education for our students and that means that we must all fight to have Fair school funding for our students so I hope everybody can participate with one of these actions next week um we will be CFT will be passing a resolution to support all of this and um look at House Bill 96 if you you really are

064interested in how the state is also attacking our schools and our students thank you thank you president sers and that concludes the hearing of the public tonight thank you superintendent Murphy and Treasurer Wagner please present the following presentation good evening so Julie kind of preempted some of our slides but we'll just repeat them so that they're like fresh in your mind um so thank you Miss sers for your comments um go ahead next slide so we're today we're going to talk about um budget engagement plan um and some results from a survey we're going to talk about state budget bill um Mike's going to do that as that he put those slides together talk a little bit more about Levy and then um some progress on the student-based budget model for the future so go

065ahead next slide so superintendent um Murphy and I I almost said sha uh work together to come up with some dates to um have virtual engagement sessions we came up with different days of the week and different times of the day so that we can try to Encompass everybody's needs um it really started last week um when you were in interviews I was with the districtwide lsdmc doing a budget presentation and so we're going to share the results of the engagement survey from that meeting and then on Tuesday uh we had a as gen Financial Town Hall scheduled and so we're going to repurpose that topic to be budget and so we'll continue um to use um kind of the survey um to help bring in more feedback when it related to the fiscal year

06626 budget um just wanted to point out on March 13th a Thursday that's a morning session from 7:30 to 8:30 um and so it's a little bit different and so we just want to maybe capture people who before they go to work or school um so okay next slide um so these are the survey results that were sent to us this late this a morning or this afternoon and I'm going to pass the mic to my partner awesome thank you Jen so you will recall you saw the categories during the last board meeting and so as Jen mentioned the survey was shared with the districtwide LMC last Wednesday at a very high level and then it was sent out for uh me MERS to be able to respond Thursday so in since last Thursday we've

067had 82 responses at least as of about this afternoon and then the categories that you saw participants were asked to rank them a one being of least priority and a five being of highest priority and so we'll go to the next slide to look at the first category and this category is around Public Safety SLS service Academy that we've been talking about uh not only at West TI but also at Withrow for the upcoming school year and some other categories that fit in the public service Academy realm so you'll see on this Slide the blue bar indicates the least priority item by respondents and the purple bar indicates their highest priority responses and the other colors gold green red are those in between and so what we would highlight on this first category the highest

068priority for respondents comes around youth employment with the city and county and of lowest prior priority is Junior rltc uh currently we have um Junior rltc at Ain High School in the field of Army and as we mentioned with the growth plan we're looking to add additional Junior rltc in particular Coast Guard um so just we could say so much more about each of those categories but just to keep it at a very high level so on the next slide category two property tax requests uh may not be very surprising of highest priority the required needed existing facilities maintenance um board member Craig talks about all the time in partnership with uh Mr Burkhart and of lowest priority is a third montauri High School on the next slide category three Career and Technical vocational and

069parentheses programming of highest priority new Health Medical Careers and of lowest priority uh expanded access to the zoo Academy category four internal reorganization of highest priority the Department of Transportation although I will put a plug here Mr burkart there have been great improvements but still uh important to our people of lowest priority I'm also extremely proud uh Mr Tony fields and Company the department of customer service and enrollment and then category five yes new and expanded programs oh of highest priority and I think everyone is in agreement here is the wp uh expanding services for our children experiencing homelessness and Cincinnati public schools of lowest priority montauri expansion and then I think the next slide is a summary of the overall categories with the greatest highest priority being given to Career and Technical education and

070of lowest priority property tax request on the next slide you'll see those all join together so you can look at it at one Fell Swoop and then the next slide I'll pass it back to oh we're going to Mike our new treasure thank you um so just to get an update on the U Governor's budget Bill next slide Rob so quick reminder from this slide is just the timeline so the governor submits his Budget on February 1st and we'll go through the house and the state senate and get signed on or right before July first so we are in the February to April group on the left-and side there so like we said other spots plenty of baseball left to play as we go next slide Rob um so a bunch of urban Treasures got

071together on February 13th up in Columbus and had a kind of a retreat just for us to talk specifically about the problems um of this the not problems but the challenges for urban school districts with the budget bill um and thank you president sers I think she point out some of these but I'm going to we're going to go through them so we have slides I think for most of these the biggest one is the cost factors and and getting that changed and we'll see we'll show you why that makes such a big difference continuing to phase in uh the fair school funding plan um not getting rid of the guarantee and then there's a couple other issues that we'll go through if you want to hit next slide Rob the biggest issue for us

072is a base cost Factor so so the current budget Bill keeps the cost that the formula uses at 2022 levels fisc year 2022 levels however it updates the other inputs for property tax values and for income so so you know you can't have a formula if you only adjust a couple a couple of the items right and and it's really and that's really driving a lot of the issues we see so to give people an idea we did a table here so CPS cost are always ahead of what the state average cost is you know being being in an urban area you know it just costs more to do things um so we have some examples here like if you look at the cost for a classroom teacher State formula fully would fully fund that

073at $96,000 salary and benefits you know our average this year currently is 112,000 would go up slightly for next year that's a $116,000 difference now if you go to the next slide Rob you'll see how bad the funding formula is because remember we're funded at 36% of our state share so that means for that $96,000 teacher the state size they're giving us $ 34,000 and when you when you do the math there that means there's a $78,000 difference per FTE between what the state provides to us and what we have to make up that is all made up through our local property taxes so that's about $179 million gap for just one classification of employees next slide please um so that's that's the biggest one is we want the inputs to be to be updated

074to be fiscal year 25 cost which would keep kind of everything in line another issue to talk about is a change in D change in um how we categorize economically disadvantaged students So currently um CPS by state average were're at 87.5% economically disadvantaged State average is 61. 49% so we get so we get some extra money based on that because we're higher than the state average they're looking to change things to a direct certification model um our student dining services folks can tell you a lot more about that um but it could change things we don't know how much because we can tell we can tell what our district is we don't know what the state's going to look like so it's unknown what that impact is um but it might change what's called disadvantaged

075people impact Aid which is part of our state Foundation could go up could go down but it's a scary change let me just interrupt for a second so the way this works is that we are indexed to the average so if the average changes um our index would change right now we have a higher index because we're higher than the average so it just depends on the direct certification data across the state and we don't know that for a while right the other the other sneaky thing in in the budget bill is with what's called disadvantaged people impact Aid they're adding more requirements to it so one of the things is at least 25% of that money now has to be spent on literacy so so they're so make so they're giving us more restrictions

076of what we have to do and probably less money next slide then there's the guarantees so so the budgets have had the funding forms have had guarantees for a while you know starting in really two 2020 for school districts that were losing enrollments the idea was if districts lost enrollment the guarantees would fix that um this proposal rolls back some of those guarantees and it actually rolls it back farther than just the loss of than just a loss of students so this could be a $4.8 million loss just the next fiscal year for us if you go to the next slide Rob um you know Ernie ster who I think some of you know he does a lot of a lot of analysis of this data at the state level um did a comparison you

077can see we would have to grow enrollment past well past the TW the 2019 enrollment to keep up with the changes in the guarantee so it's not just about enrollment it's about the overall changes to the formula now next slide so put it all together um current current simulations we were looking at about losing about 10 10.7 million next year of state aid and then an additional $5 million in the second half of the banal budget so you can you can see the numbers here their state share would drop actually to 20 at the end of the B budget to 25.6% which which is a which is a huge drop from from where we've been I mean I think I think in one of the webinars I said when the dough legislation came out I

078think the state share was in the 40% range and now we're looking at being in the 25% range so and the reason the um it seems so dramatic is because the wealth index is calculated based on a three-year average of evaluation property valuation so we have two low years and a real high year this year next year we'll have two high years and a low year and the third year we'll have three High years so our we're going to become much wealthier over the next three year average thank you John yes becoming much wealthier without getting any credit for the co for the increased cost for the inflationary cost you go to the next slide I'm gonna um go ahead get Sor to solicit any questions that board members have just so that you're not

079getting inated with a bunch of questions for member Craig um so again our uh soon to be uh future treasur of the district here uh Mr gon I appreciate you coming up and I appreciate superintendent you bringing the numbers with regards to the survey um I wanted to do one quick question to to you on that which I think is a little bit in line with where I was thinking of some of these things are I think there's a little bit of a focus that someone somewhat came through some of the results as to resources that more directly hit to where our kids are now as opposed to kind of where we see ourselves building towards um is a little bit of the theme that I saw and I don't know if you saw something

080similar in that I did I I saw something similar and I also saw opportunities to educate people more and to share and talk about where we are and make things a little clearer in terms of where we're going and how those things will benefit our young people agree okay and then uh my question for Mr Gus and then also for current Treasurer M Wagner um there's a lot that we're hearing about with regards to uh the plan the funding plan and I just wanted to make sure that we're very clear even when we're fully funded under the plan under what their expectations are and I think you showed it in one of the slides there they still their cost for what we should be paying for our a teacher or how we supposed to fund

081our classrooms is still below what we actually do provide so even if they were fully funding that amount it would not cover the full cost of what our classroom costs are that absolutely and I mean to me that just is something that we have to acknowledge that we we they what they believe our students need and what they believe our students uh should have Falls below what we even say what our students should have and what our students need and so it's we're not even starting at the same spot of saying we're going to fully fund what our kids need but we're really just asking the state to do is fully fund at least what they say our kids need in some level or fashion right like it's that to me is part of the

082thing we have to also be thinking about as we go back to our voters and go back to our community is that we have to acknowledge that the state is not looking at our would not allow us to to operate in the way and the manner or our community would not allow us to operate in a way and the manner that the state says we should right like if we paid teachers at that low rate that they would expect we would not have teachers if we operated without providing the services and resources we wouldn't have the students in our district and so I think that is important for us to be able to note as we go on to have more conversations vice president Bolton yes thank you so much assistant Treasurer still great team

083um couple things I want to follow up what Brandon mentioned that our community would not tolerate us living at State minimums it wouldn't it's is not even close um there's 600 and some school districts public school districts in this state and these State averages figure in all those 614 of them and only eight of them are even large enough to be called major urban districts so we're not even part of this we are in a separate orbit uh even in the mind of the state legislators and I'm glad that people are we have that Association and we're joining with uh our our actual urban colleagues um but again more M less money and more restrictions less discretion so it's a it's it's a double whammy for us uh could we go back to um I

084guess slide 20 which is the enrollment maybe I'm hoping yes uh Mike you said something we'd have to do what to match 20 five or what I think you can you explain this slide to me a little bit the the idea behind the guarantee was districts were losing enrollment and so the guarantee kind of gave you a floor and so the the talking point is we're get the the state would get rid of the guarantee you know and it would be up to the districts to increase their enrollment if you want the money increase your enrollment but based on how the numbers are at this time we would have to increase our enrollment significantly above what we had in 201 19 so this isn't just lost kids this is more of this is a Formula

085issue so the the this slide you're looking at shows how much we would have to grow enrollment to to make up for the loss of the guarantee and not to not to be labor this but what are we how many kids are we talking I'll let you do the high math of subtraction or whatever 2019 numbers that's 2019 so you're looking at you're looking at 218 for next year but then 1,080 in the year after that and then it goes up from there okay th80 yes and not next year but in 277 and and remember these are these are K12 kids you know reg preschool does not count General Ed preschool doesn't count preschool special ed does but okay this would be your K12 students and we'd have to increase enrollment dramatically to make up

086for the for the guarantee thank you that that makes more sense to me I appreciate it thank you so I I just have a couple of comments um one is uh around the survey results I think that it's I think slide 10 Rob is a little bit where I'll I'll kind of land and then make my comments the the the number of participants is low but that particular slide um when when it's talking about what that particular particular group of people felt the priorities were were it speaks droves in that um monory expansion was a lower priority and the WAP is a high priority and I bring that to the attention because that's the times that we're living in and that we have a huge number of homeless students we have a huge number of

087students that need Services families that need services and that that this particular group would say that the R having a WAP which is what we've not had before is a high priority for them I would encourage the team Administration treasure to really significantly increase the number of survey participants I think again I'm going to always say this needs to go on the road because I think that um this is the type of Engagement people need to really see it's not the most interesting um and it you get a little loss it gets a little weighty but it's super significant and we need to capture their opinion about what they think their priorities are and that's not only telling to us around um setting goals for the district but it's also telling around the time period

088that we're living in as well um the the other slide and I don't have the number but you you mentioned it around unconstitutional funding and that that this is a funding issue and people always say they know that it's been deemed unconstitutional how Ohio funds their schools and that is true but you said something very poignant that I want to make sure we point out when this was deemed unconstitutional it was at 40 something per funded and it is lower than that now so I want you to expand on that because this is not getting any better although we're talking about the funding formula we're still in a worse predicament than we were when we de when the Supreme Court deemed this unconstitutional it is worse than it was so this is I mean that's

089that's pretty for people that know that this has been unconstitutional it's significant because it's still unconstitutional and it's still lower and then all of this other um is is super important so those are just two things I really wanted to highlight and you mentioned them I can't remember when the other the other slide was but I just think people need to people need to understand that we are not able to really significantly provide um we're we're we're struggling with what we have and what we have is Getting Thinner and thinner and thinner on purpose and so um I think this is great but it's heavy and it needs to be a little lighter so that people really understand the gravity of what we're working with so just wanted to point those two out before you

090got too far Co thank you I don't know if you all want to expand on on that but I just think we we should increase our survey numbers significantly and appreciate that I'm sorry no go ahead appreciate that feedback because we did talk about those uh dates we shared earlier uh when Jen and I are working together uh to include the opportunity excuse me to respond to that survey do we have it on the website anywhere QR code or something you know I'm big on the website can can we just put it out there so that people can take this survey um and maybe scan it so that um they can get a link even during the board meeting like put it on the the some page so that they can scan it and we

091need to get their feedback but most importantly I also would like for you all to present a short and condensed version of this so that people get their highlights um so that that's just it okay thank you so um I just wanted to address what you were saying about the unconstitutional it was ruled unconstitutional because there was an over Reliance on property values and it's just gotten worse so I remember when I first took over as a treasure 10 years ago we were at 48% State share we're now at 36% State share and projected to go to 25 in two years so um you know I applaud this the fair funding team to produce a formula that's based on student needs and that was a huge heavy lift the state the special ed study that

092was kicked off when they first went with this Fair funding formula they knew they needed to do some adjustments to special ed and they spent two years three years doing a study they they're not going to implement the study because it's going to cost a billion dollars to fund it that would have a significant help to us because while our percent of students with disabilities has not really changed the percent um proportional percent of disabilities has changed within that group and um which is more costly to to support and so and it's been significant and so those are the things that we want to go and all the urbans I mean Cleveland and Columbus are very very concerned about the State Building sale because they have a lot of really small buildings um a lot

093of empty buildings and Dayton's got FMP buildings that they just built that they have to unload and so um that I think that's going to hurt the other urbans bigger than it because we'll adjust but um the base costing is going to hurt us dramatically and we the the funding hurts big urban districts anyway because it takes the number of kindergarteners and divides by a number and says this is how many teachers you should that we're going to fund well we have 43 46 elementary schools and they don't come in pretty little pockets like that right so we already have more teachers than they're going to fund but are they also our teachers cost more than they're going to fund and so they're not recognizing the the need of urban districts to pay higher salaries

094to attract people to it and so um it like you said it was uh ruled unconstitutional four times I had to do it in my school Law class um and they still haven't fixed it can you can you also talk about um when when when families choose vouchers and send their children to other schools we we have to pay for the transportation as a district but we also pay for something regarding their dis if they if the student does have any disability Serv services and you just mentioned about how disability um the cost of that for students with disabilities has increased does that harm us having to pay for students that are not our students Services well there's some pass through funding that supports that with auxiliary services but we are required to serve students

095with uh iups um regardless where they go to school um voucher students the whole thing with the vouchers is they get to pick and choose with students and so um what I hear anecdotally and with Community Schools that when the students return back to us they're further behind than when they left us so then we have to spend extra resources to help catch them up before they get uh tested and so it's um um I would love to see an analysis on that maybe in my retirement days I have nothing to do um so yeah yes money does go to students with disabilities that are in our private and broal schools um and there's some P refunding to help with that some of our Title One money goes with them they have auxiliary funding from

096the state um I think it's about $8 million but don't quote me on that um and then some of our title funds go to auxiliary Services I just want to be really clear that we are also having to provide services is for students that are not CPS students it's does it's not limited to Transportation it is also limited to auxilary Services as well that's correct um and and that's significant and people don't quite realize that that the voucher conversation is much bigger than simply um you know a portion of the money you're going to have an eye opening experience here go to the next slide which is a good segue to the next slide Segway we did that on purpose we did that yes so if you wonder this is um analysis by the Ohio

097education policy Institute um of where the money's going so you can see this is Statewide so you can see we're in the traditional districts and you can see right below that is the line for vouchers so I'll leave that out there I'll leave that there without further commentary but it's pretty obvious where the money is going and this slide is on board dos right the this presentation is on board dos okay yes ma'am vice president Bolton just as a comment to that it the the money that you've demonstrated here in this chart it's all basically the education money it's not being taken from other places in the budget uh the state budget I mean it's this the line item for Education this is the education group Broad so this is the line item for education

098or those things referring to education K12 mhm so if it's not coming from someplace else it's coming from the other folks that are in that line item so so they've gone back to residual budgeting so they're budgeting their everything and then education gets what over yes yes um and and this is how they're Distributing it mhm yes thank you think of pool for educ think of a pool of Education funding and then this is how it's distributed and that's how it's being distributed to the state's priority not necessarily to our priority and what you said about property taxes where we've said this any number of times in this last year that indeed the property tax issue is so great and so difficult and the state legislators legislators know it that you will have school districts

099that will not be able to survive because of the cost of uh the property tax play payers are paying but then when they can't then that state take over because they will be broke because it's we've gone beyond what people can afford in many of these districts thank you all right um just the only other slides we had here I think is just and president salers did a really good job talking about the sale of building stuff so I won't spend a lot of time on that I mean I think you know obviously couple questions that one question she didn't bring up was what happens if these buildings have outstanding debt issues on them you know you know you know it's like you know it's like if your house if you have if you an

100outstanding mortgage and you sell it what happens to that so that's a question that's not really covered in the law um and then and then the other obvious thing is why we wouldn't get fair market value why they would they would designate the value to be the value for an educational institute which you know and especially in our city fair market value for for properties would be higher than probably educational market value and then one last slide Rob um some other things that we talked about um that that we may try to get some traction with um obviously Revenue um vice president Bolton talked about property taxes there's some some discussion of doing things like eliminating fixed sum levies there's some discussion about um obviously the 20 mil floor we're not we're not going to

101talk about that tonight I think um you know some of our some of our fellow urbans would like to use other types of Taxation to fund schools like a bed tax or sales tax um someone had a great idea of using having the state use income tax credits to pay for property tax abatements I thought that was that was a good one um and then on the cost control side a couple of things is looking at a Statewide um Health System pool Health Insurance Pool to try to reduce those cost and then um looking at what the charter schools aren't required to do and extending those to the public schools which could which could reduce some burdens for us and then finally we've talked about Transportation penalties if think a couple times here and how

102unfair those are so changing that from a per day penalty to a per DM penalty so the penalties would be only on the students affected not on the entire District's day of Transportation well is that it um well we're moving on to a new topic so that's that's state but funding any questions no okay okay thank you Michael you might want to hang there because we need you okay so moving on to love you planning um just reminding the board go ahead Rob thank you um of your deadlines um when you want to put something on the ballot um You by the end of or by July 14th you have to have your first resolution done the county auditor has 10 days to certify the language and then by August 4th you have to approve

103your second resolution and then Dan and I get in a car and drive up to the Board of Elections and file and it has to be filed by 4M on the 6th so next slide so this is just this running example of how we need to size what ever we need for new money um or things and we've some of these numbers have changed this is just an example uh if you go with the next slide um the facility repair plan I have year one year two year three because it won't start until we actually get some funding for it so I don't know what year it will start and then um the size of that millage um and then the third one is the longer term bond levage conversation um go go ahead with

104next slide so we met with uh Brenda weamer who's our bond counsel um David Conley who's our financial adviser and Kent Cashel who is an underwriter and they do Dan um sorry David and Kent do a lot of Levy work and borrowing work for districts across the state um and so we talked about what are the short-term strategies what could be some longer term strategies how can we balance our Revenue portfolio a little bit diversify it a little bit so the the most urgent short-term thing is what are we going to do with the $48 million Levy that's coming up in November do you going to renew it as is um you can do a renewal with an increase you could go 10 years you go continuing and so that depends on how we decide

105how much money we need to balance a budget moving forward for the next five years then you talk about the facility repair plan and somewhere between now and when it gets approved it'll be closer to $200 million because of increased cost um so we've talked in the past about doing a permanent Improvement Levy in 20 26 um what our team came up with as a strategy is you can do a smaller Pi Levy to kind of get it started and then you have the ability to borrow against those future tax revenues to keep it going they highly recommend making it a continuous Levy because you're always going to have something to do with it roof for an HVAC or something there's another alternative um to all of these Solutions is an income tax levy so

106it alleviates the property tax um grievance um and if you did like a traditional income tax levy at a 0.5% on the state income would generate $64 million a year and a 1% would generate $129 million per year now if you only did an earned income Tech Levy so only uh wages and not Investments or on um fixed income people would it would not apply so a half a percent would be $47 million Revenue stream and a 1% would be 90 close to $95 million Revenue stream so it's just it's a it's a different way of thinking of your Revenue portfolio and how you could diversify um and then in conjunction with doing your permanent Levy making it small your permanent Improvement Levy making it smaller you can take some of that money and put

107it into the bond Levy and do that um a little bit earlier so just reminding everybody that right now one mil is $8.8 million so next slide here's your little spaghetti or Slinky just to kind of remind you of your what's coming up and what years you have available to do levies 27 um would be a bad year to put a property tax levy on the ballot because it is another reappraisal year and so people are going to be upset about their property tax bills uh keep going any questions uh discussion about Levy moving forward what member Lindy thanks um this is just a process question um I'd like to know the date doesn't have night but but within the next couple of weeks month maybe would like to know the date of the board

108meeting when we're going to have to vote on what kind of Levy to put on the ballot July 14th well that's the last possible one that's the last possible I think hopefully we won't wait that long um and I just think that that's going to be really important and I I want us to have um a a downfield picture of when we're coming up on that meeting um so that that's just a request I think for the um board leadership is that a reasonable request absolutely in fact we talked about that I think with your 100 day plan vice president Bolton a couple meetings ago so yes is there a date by which we'll know when that date is well the intention is to have a budget conversation every meeting for a while and so

109we we need to kind of follow the lead of the budget committee and um what you all are recommending but I don't have a date myself we we don't need it tonight that's okay what what I what I don't want to do is just kind of roll into it and then all of a sudden it's a decision that's been made I want us to know in advance that's when is the meeting when we're going to make that decision understood gotcha thank you vice president I would add to that that U co-chair uh Craig uh introduced a a a levy design uh presentation at the last uh Finance meeting and I think you know that's going to be uh part of the uh discussion so I think out out of Finance we'll be able to be

110able to advise the board as to when uh would be the best several days together and what have you to to make to live up to the request that Mr Lindy is making board member Craig um I want want to thank you also for bringing us back to the to the table with regards to the levy conversation because I think we started having in budget and finance and it was literally like right after you all had met with them so it wasn't you know like a fullon opportunity to be able to present it in front of us as well because you were in the midst of making these slides um but wanted to harp on something that you mentioned and or that actually Kevin mentioned in uh budget and finance which is specifically that the

11148 million today yes um it does not pay for the the 48 million when we passed this Levy does not pay for the same thing today as it did then that today would be I think you said 64 million 64 the buying power is 64 million right together yeah and so like the the thing I want us to also be able to have a good message around and like but we kind of talked through my little idea was was around having a message around each of these three specific levies that we have a continuous message that uh feeds how we're working with touching every school working all the programs making sure everybody is cared for as part of his continuous effort but I do think we need to be talking in sometimes in real people

112terms of the fact that if you got paid $48 to do a job 10 years ago and you were still getting paid $48 to do that same job today many of us would be like I don't know about this job no more right you know we can look at things like the price of eggs right now or the price of a lot of goods where the things that we would buy we understand that it's gone up in expenses we understand why it's gone up in expenses and I think sometimes when we talk about levies we're we forget that we should talk sometimes just talk about it in like real people terms right like you know that everything's more expensive today than it was two years ago so why would it be any different for Education

113why would a seller of property or or why would a company that does repairs or does renovations to a building charged less tomorrow than they charged yesterday and so I think that's also a part of the messaging that we have to make sure that we're getting into people's heads of everything we're doing we're doing this not because we want to go out and get more from you we're doing this because it is a necessity at some level to maintain um the the things that we're doing and so I think that's going to be it's really helpful to see that but it was also helpful to hear Kevin talk about the buying power change so you just gave me a great idea but and one comment I wanted to make about that is what I'm noticing

114in a personal way is that insurance costs homeowners insurance car insurance all that stuff is dramatically increasing our liability insurance went up three $400,000 over the last couple years Dan's not paying attention so um he really isn't he's studying the history of CPS yeah and thumbs up okay so yeah so and I it it's going to continue go up our medical insurances are going to continue to go up and so you know I think people can relate to that and and I I love that real people terms um and so we'll put something together for that so thank you I have a question I I would like to know more information around an income tax levy because that resonates more with me and I'm just one person but it feels more Equitable to people that

115everybody's paying their fair share versus just property tax own um but I also would like to know what are some of the ramifications around that as well so it it the it would just be residents not like not like me it wouldn't hit me because I'm not a resident of Cincinnati right I but um do you remember Mike how many districts are used are moving towards income taxes we talked about it but I can't remember what talk I don't remember that number I know there are there are a few in Hamilton County already I looked at that people are starting to use this as a strategy so yes honestly the meeting we were at on Friday like you could just see it you could just see it in people's minds because people are income or

116property taxed out and so I think you'll see more and more districts start to go that route yeah and that's fair I also am interested in and I asked you this question once before a while ago like a sales tax levy or is that a levy a sales tax levy um where I know one District I think it was local put that on the ballot um a year ago and it didn't go but I I'm wondering I'd like information around that as well um because that feels more Equitable too to have a sales Tech and what is the process of that has the district ever done that before um and then what would the success rate be when we're having these conversations with external people to help us with the levy that's one I'd like

117to also entertain as well thank you vice president bolon yeah I to I think all of these are essential to know more about and I I think I was a union president in the school district and him County that was the first to use the income tax and it it absolutely makes a big difference this most fiscally responsible thing to do um regarding the monies that we have it seems to me though that right now our issue is having to come to grips with the preschool 48 million operations and what have you uh and and then trying to figure out a rather large issue in 26 and I said this a couple of weeks ago and everybody said we're not ready yet but then the other piece is we have a renewal between 26 and

118the 31 28 and 28 and and that is in 28 and that's for 65 million correct so it the thing you've I think been emphasizing to us is that we have to first of all figure out how to get to 30 31 because that is remarkable when the FMP is paid off talk about mortgages and having a great celebration about that but for an income tax I I don't know if it's possible if we think in terms of this $48 million renewal and then new money or whether it be a pi or whatever it would be I don't know that we could get the voting population ready for an income tax by 26 it might be something to be thinking about if we could even get to 3031 uh which is the issue uh as

119part of the FMP being paid off um in that you're looking at something very different very new um U after you've had a few successful uh ballot experiences in the next few years and we're showing new build buildings or we're showing growth and our enrollment is coming back it's just it's it it is to uh the effort that you're selling it is a whole package and it is over it is over those eight years at the most that we have to come up with four different things to worry about yep thank you was that it of the presentation or did you want to keep going yeah so um there's a small group of us have been working on how do we do budgeting better to serve better serve the needs of our students and have

120the money follow the students and so we started doing some uh looking back at student based budgeting so next slide so just to remind everybody um it's not the current year budget this is for future um but it would take the student projections by grade and by condition and and calculate revenue for school and so every like by grade they get a a dollar value per base rate um and then we waited I think kindergarteners and ninth graders um and then by condition so students with disabilities gifted elll Career Tech and poverty would get an extra weight categorical waiting um so that generates I'm going to make something up so Wagner Elementary would get million doll and then the the team would have to go and follow their Staffing formulas because they're defined by the

121collective baring agreement or state or federal law and then um with the with whatever money else is generated they can make some other additional decisions about how to support their students then we add the non-personal expenditures and then they get the school budget next slide so what we did is we started with what our state formula says our base cost is at 8101 there's math that goes behind that so we started with that as a base and then we um started with some recommend we look when back to 2008 and started with the weightings of those grade levels and then we tweaked them to to what we know about where our needs are now um and then in the for the categoricals we just took whatever was at the state formula in right now because

122that was based on a study at some point so next slide so we modeled Four elementary schools looked at two neighborhood two magnets um the model we tweaked had to tweak the model a little bit but the model worked for three out of the four School um and so we have some work to do in that area and we are currently working on uh Michael Turner is working on helping me with the four high schools because I don't know how to do high school Staffing um and so we picked four schools that had different populations representing the quarters and um him and I are going to meet on Thursday to go over progress and hopefully we'll be able to share some of those results so next slide and here's the challenges that we have to

123figure out yet because this happened this is one of the reasons why we got out of student based budgeting was the student mobility and the reason that's important is because in student based budget you typically take three enrollment counts three times a year the beginning of the year the middle of the year the end of the year and as those numbers change you H have to your staff changes so if you're a student that grow or if you're a school that grows enrollment will be adding staff right adding Revenue so you can hire another teacher well if you're losing enrollment we're not pulling teachers because it's too disruptive to instruction so that school's revenue or their balance goes into a NE a deficit they get into kind of like a district Loan Fund um and

124we were never able to figure out how to handle that Mobility um also the restricted funding so now in the state funding formula Career Tech gifted English language Learners student wellness and now we have some new restrictions on dpia if the budget bill passes to make sure that the school are staying within those restricted compliance on spend um and then we still have to go we kind of do a residual budgeting practice here where we always start with the schools get the schools done and then central office gets what's left over and so um as our revenues are shrinking our pie is shrinking if the schools are growing because of this formula then it's going to squeeze out central office and so we need to make sure that this is Affordable and sustainable over the

125time period that we're going to use it so we'll we'll keep you updated on on what we're finding and how we're tweaking and um how it looks moving forward we we're trying to try try it with a bunch a little bit of schools and then we'll apply it to the whole District to see how that compares to what our how our school budgets are now but this is definitely having the money follow the student and their need we got to figure out how to layer on federal funds to that okay next slide so any questions about that that's this is the end I think I don't think I have anything else oh yeah that's just refence so any questions on student based budgeting it's not what we're doing right now it's it's a model that

126we used to do uh we received a lot of accolades when we were doing it um but we just seem couldn't seem to overcome that mobility issue and what to do about it and so now we're looking back and saying well we're a little bit smarter now let's figure out if we can do it better uh bour Craig um so thank you for that part as well um and I think this is one of the questions I would have with regard to uh Mobility as well because I do think there are certain um factors that go into certain aspects of the high mobility within some of our schools right so the the distance that students have to travel the instability of housing there's a number of factors that sometimes may go into a student moving

127and I think some of that may also be a conversation as to how much do we want to accommodate a student's ability to stay within a building as opposed to if letting some of those factors then dictate the student student changing schools right so in the mid year a student's family is forced to move or forced to relocate to a different part of the city do we want to make a commitment to keeping that student in the stable School versus moving that child to another school which may affect classroom numbers and I Transportation yeah so like there's different costs of both right there's different things you have to weigh so I think that's an important thing to think about I wanted to also maybe ask in regards to the elementary schools that were tested that

128you tested this on was there anything within the one that that it didn't seem to like quite work with that would be something that'd be telling for us as we think about this as a possibility um to to be considering in a future so the reason we had a challenge with it is because there were some programmatic expenses that went with the school that weren't part of Base education general education so we would have to make some and I don't know how many of those schools that that might apply to when we when we expand our study we'll certainly go look at that but um we'd have to figure out a way to deal with that and I think that's another part of the you know some of the things we're talking about doing as

129a district in the some great sometimes great programming that we have in schools it is hard to sometimes think about how do you accommodate for a school that may have particular like four or five programs that don't don't quite fit into a base cost model thought process because the state doesn't value those particular programs or they don't value in the same way we might need to have them um I think the only other thing I would mention on this is I do think there is a there's a considerable concern about making sure we have enrollment as close to correct as possible at the start of the year if you're doing student based um because we do have a number of students who do not show up on those first days or who show up the

130first day disappear for a couple and you know come back in or whatever the case may be because of how parents react that and so it's sometimes really hard to know what is your accurate enrollment date that's kind of your when you make your decisions on and I think that's something we'll be talking about with other factors in the budget but um I know we've for last couple years especially when you don't when we try to figure out buses to show up so you got some students who we got bus passes ready for them they're ready to go they don't seem to make it into school for the first couple of days or these type of things that make it very difficult to figure out whether or not that's the accurate enrollment and so I

131think those are all factors that probably will affect how we think about student-based budgeting in that sense because you could see a time where you might say one week you have 200 extra students somehow came out of nowhere or like the case this year where you have an entire School building who says we can't operate anymore and then if they come in and say can y'all take our kids we gladly do but that changes the entire formula for where those kids go well the beauty of student base budgeting and and this may T in tie into some factors that would be renegotiated like class size for example um trying to lower class size but the school can take the revenue and say well you know what maybe we don't want to staff our K3 classrooms

132this way we want to do it this way because yeah of these reasons so it gives them a little bit more flexibility to serve the kids that they have and so um I'm hoping we can figure it out vice president B yeah just really quickly um you know I think one of the better things that's happened and I know that uh Kareem you've been part of it I know Ben's been part of it the idea of and certainly treasur has been part of it the return on investment piece and I I think the the front side of that return on investment is whether or not we are re sourcing for results because you you can figure it out at the end did we get what we wanted but really did we really frontload to make

133an impact and I think the value and part of student based budgeting is that you are resourcing to what you have and whether that's Finance or whether that's Personnel or whether you decided the these schools need this extra shot it's not just an extra money but it is targeted in particular areas I wanted to see if you have any uh reaction to that I do I do thank you um a return on investment doesn't mean just because it's a negative result that you're going to Lop it off and quit doing it it means you evaluate what's happening you know did you implement it with Fidelity uh did you give it enough resources or is there something other factor that you thought was going to happen that doesn't apply anymore and you want to go in

134a different direction so just because it's not a good return on investment doesn't necessarily mean you stop doing it you just have to evaluate why and then you make that decision and and I think that goes to resourcing for results where you can you know have the deviation here or there as to where you needed to to concentrate on and uh so thank you for and we did this in uh 2008 that's why you went back to 2008 2008 was the the last oldest file I can find now we started student based budgeting in 2000 early 2000s oh yeah yeah yeah but that was the last time that was the last file I find in my records I believe that's correct um let me one thing on that then it's not like we aren't funding

135particular schools with particular populations is that we're doing it later in the budget process after we've done the base I don't want to give the impression that these additional dollars aren't getting to particular Schools they're kind of add-ons based on but it's more focused on staff than it is necessarily like numbers like the needs of the students so yes thank you so so I just have a question I guess it's a comment SL question um I'm kind of excited about student-based budgeting in that it is following in line with my tagline reimagine education because we are we cannot continue to do what we've been doing so I think it sounds like a way to give a little bit more autonomy to a building and that Administration and allow them under guidance hopefully to be able

136to make some of the best choices for their population to improve the student outcomes which I'm really for I when you when you talked about um the barriers in the past I would invite and what I go to is consider a corridor funding or a feeder School model so what we were trying to what what we didn't have in the past were the corridors and so maybe it's um it is building like a fundamental certain fixed amount for the building but then if that school is a feeder for um schools within their Corridor then there's a pot that they can tap into if because typically students are transient within their Corridor typically speaking unless you know you're talking about rents and they're going from East Side to West Side so if the pattern is and

137again I don't have this data but if the pattern is that they are moving within their Corridor then perhaps funding could be corridor could have a corridor oon component that a lots for the schools that they move to to still kind of have some funding because they're switching within that Corridor and I again I'm I'm just giving this to you in a curse of review but I'm thinking like if you're going to go from like a let's say a dater High School to a West High let's just say I know that's crazy but or Oiler um you know Oiler gets a a fixed amount West High gets a fixed amount but if they're moving within that quarter there's a Corridor amount that they get a pool a shared pool of money correct correct so that's

138one of the things that I was thinking of and then the other thing I was thinking of at the top of my head is is there a magnet type funding model so so um if a student is going to move they may move U within the same type of system so maybe you know again I'm I'm throwing this off the top of my head so maybe they're going to go from gamble to Clark because they moved across the C across Ross the city so maybe there's a magnet pool amount of funding for those students that rather than have add-ons they have um some funding because they're staying within the certain type of system so I'm just trying to think of ways to make that work but within the the the new things that we have

139different which are the corridors I know we have a transient student population I don't foresee that changing anytime soon but we can look at the patterns of where those students um if are they Crossing corridors are they staying within their same Corridor we know some of that data because we look at it from a city standpoint that they're moving from the East side to the west side for rents but we can probably disaggregate the data a little bit more to find out um if they're staying where they're where they're moving to and why so that's just one of the thoughts that I was thinking of around student based um budgeting any other questions from board members I think I'm excited I'm like hey team let's do it again I would invite you to engage the

140community and find out I think some of the answers that we are seeking are within Community councils or within neighborhoods or within the school buildings and we don't have to recreate the wheel we just have to ask people um for the data that we're seeking so I think we have everything we have the ingredients we just got to put it together and I would invite you to do that is that it for your presentation yes right thank you welcome um I got to figure out where we were all right um superintendent Murphy please introduce our next presentation absolutely we have a an update on our goals and guard rails specifically guard rail 2 discipline and guard ra 3 communication from assistant superintendent Chambers good evening all good evening um today I will be um discussing

141guard rails 2 and three and just um as a reminder guardrail 2 the superintendent will not allow discriminatory or culturally insensitive disciplinary treatment that results in disproportionate punishment among students who go un addressed and if you look at um garell 2A it uh specifically um looks at the percentage of black a K12 black Hispanic and multi-racial students with a category two offense um compared to uh White students and we will say that would decrease from 15.4% um to 12.5% and if we look at the data from Fall to fall we um I mean excuse me from Winter to Winter we see a two uh% increase from Winter 23 to uh winter 20 um 23 24 to Winter 2425 and um even though there was that 2% um increase we are still um on track to

142meet our goal um target of 12.5% um guardwell 2B um it discusses the uh percent of K12 black male students with a category 2 infraction compared to White students and this is specifically um looking at black males compared to uh white male students and we're saying it will decrease from 20.4% in 23 to 13% in um 25 and if we look at um our winter 2324 to Winter 2425 there was a decrease in Five Points by our um African-American or black male students and there was a 1% uh decrease in our white um uh white male students so we are um definitely on track to uh meet our Target you know for the African-American students and just um you know our key takeaways um we look at the um the the quality gap our Equity

143Gap is um we're continuing to close that Gap um within our students um and we also looking at um how our Strate or uh strategies that we uh targeted certain individual grade levels um you'll have um has had an A positive impact on um you know looking at um our Improvement to reach our targets and some of our next steps um we're looking at the um our mtss framework and making sure we align our strategies of support and early interventions um for our students and um your pilot as well as um our continued partnership with um Children's Hospital guard ra three um the superintendent will not allow um District communication to go up to be unresponsive or lacking in transparency um Community sensitivity or inconsistent with the expressed values of the district and for this

144um particular guardrail we looked at our U we used our qualtric survey and um guard rail 3A the percent of parents or caregivers who have a favorable response for the climate on the quc survey will increase from 62% in May of 23 to 66% in May of 25 and if we look at our um response um percentages and response rates from our um parents and caregivers we had a 96% favorable response rate with um or uh questions on the qualtric survey um and I I used um 50% as The Benchmark from favorable to unfavorable and if um you look at the data for our families we could have used a a minimum of 60 and we still would have had um a 96% favorable rating so our um and we had 4,600 or 4,061 um

145families respond so um it's a pretty um pretty nice uh number of uh parents who um responded to the survey and um for some of our takeaways and we have opportunities for improvement you know the one uh thing that stuck out was the um question of um my students feel safe going to and from school we had 11% favorable rating that um that particular question so um you know I've already talked to superintendent Murphy and we're gonna um you know dig into that and find out the um you know some of the you know actual reasons why from some of the families and the other was I frequently volunteer that was at 59% it's over that favorable threshold but we still found that would be something that we will be looking um you further into

146and then a celebration it was um how the question of how much your um child School value student diversity was at a 95% I thought that was um you know really impressive for um the families to look at our schools in that um particular light so um moving on to uh guard R 3B the percent of Staff who have uh favorable responses on the climate survey will increase from 50% to 54% by May of 25 but like to say we have um eclipsed that we had 100% favorable rating um from our um staff on the um qualtric survey in the fall and this was uh with uh 2600 um and two um staff um replying to the survey unlike last spring when we did the Panorama this survey only um addressed the school staff it

147did not um uh uh surveyed the um central office staff so this was this rating is from um your schools staff and um as you can see we had the um 100% favorable rating and um Rob next slide please and if we look at our opportunities for improvement was the question um the students at my school demonstrate behaviors that allow teachers to teach it was 59% uh favorable over that threshold but still we want to make sure we look into that because that number should be a lot higher and the uh the question I've been concerned about my physical safety at school is 64% um we want to that that number should be um you know way lower as far as you know um employees feeling um you know concerned about their physical safety and

148our um celebration was a question um I get along with um other staff members at my school 96% um favorable I mean it's um a really high number for um you know uh staff to you know get along with which is really great that our teachers are get along in the building and we will report on guard rail 3C in the spring that is to deal with our partners in the survey of um your Community Partners do board members have questions for remember correct um so thank you for bringing this information to us I wanted to don't want to take any uh well I'll take time to acknowledge that both our students and our staff recognize concerns of safety I think this is never I will never take a naughty moment to highlight the need

149that our city Partners should be having and ensuring that all of our students arrive to school and are safe when they get there we only can do so much as a district and we rely on our community our city Partners to do their part to that process as well um I did want to highlight though because I did get called out for it earlier so I will continue to keep doing it one of the things that was in the staff that I did notice is my building is wellmaintained and I think this while we have a sizable still sizable people it's one of the other again Lower numbers of that and I think that goes a little bit to while many of our buildings are pretty wellmaintained and pretty well-kept they are older buildings that

150have little quirks to them little needs to them and especially for some of our buildings that we've been talking about for the last couple years need some major uh repairs and Renovations this is even more of a reason for us to make this a priority for some of those folks because I do imagine that would be one thing I would have a worry about is whether or not some of our buildings if we do not take action we start to see stuff like we can't use parts of our building we can't do these things and it's it isn't about the building like everybody loves everybody in the building and as many of the rooms you can get into in the building it's great but everybody know about that one room that you can't do X

151Y and Z in right and that was my experience when I was in school was also we had you know be a student joke about we can't go down that hallway because it's leaking in the hallway today or things like that that were like those things you talked about and comes up a lot of times in our surveys when we we speak about those things so I appreciate you bringing this information to us War member Lindy thanks very much um I apologize to everybody because I have to leave a little bit early this evening but I'm really glad I got to stay for this part of the meeting I so appreciate the report I'm glad we are continuing to do this and want to say thank you um I had a couple follow-up questions um

152I think my I I'd like to be able to spend some time more time with this and comparing it to what we were doing with Panorama um I think two things can be true at once I think I'm very sympathetic to the need to cut back on expenses and how expensive Panorama was and there's some and I've talked about this before there's some things we could do with that that are harder to do without it largely Benchmark us against other districts um and I just want to the I've I'll learn more I by looking at those two things so if if maybe I guess my request would be whatever the last batch of the panana presentations that we have if somebody could send that to me I'll look at it next to this one I

153may have some other questions um can you just real quick the only other two I had were um when it says percent favorable can you just explain what that is we looked at the um the favorable responses and I use 50% as a benchmark so anything over 50% favorable we looked at that as a favorable response is for that particular question okay so when it says that 100% of staff are favorable that means that for every single question on there at least 50% plus one correct said is it yes no is it it was um some of the questions or responses were um um somewhat you know or always so it was you know um like a never somewhat always okay and so so if it was always or somewhat or always we looked at

154it as a favorable response versus you know sometimes not or never okay that's great I'm I'm excited to dig more into this I want to look at the response rates and I'd also just welcome any ideas that the doesn't have to beight but any ideas that the Administration has about how it makes sense to do some benchmarking um uh particularly if we can find some way of benchmarking outside of CPS um um and just again thank you I I really appreciate it board member Crosset um I remember uh if you got a minute Ben I remember uh digging into this a little bit in the fall and you can correct me but I know that they were able to retain all this questions from Panorama so that the qualtric questions are should mirror the questions

155we were using in Panorama so that might be helpful as well that's a great idea vice president Bolton yes thank you uh for this um I I would second what uh Brandon has said uh today about sharing with our city Partners this one result imp particular uh and I guess I'm reading it right my students feel safe going to and from school so it's actually that means that uh 89% of them don't exactly okay and the to and from really it's nice to measure that to some of this other stuff which is highly favorable and I think that what we need to do is is besides the connected communities uh issue uh which is hot and trot uh in the city to add that uh even this result and share some of these results um

156when we meet again with the cities not just to show them this 11 but to also show them that we are constantly surveying our folks is how they feel about the schools because I think that would be very helpful I agree well member graet um I I like the idea that you you use this 50% Benchmark but you might also want to have the average as well okay okay okay thank you I won't add anything else that everybody else already said Thank you thank you vice president Bolton and superintendent Murphy please introduce our next presentation thank you and I think I only got on that because I submitted this but uh this is uh news and the superintendent's going to share what she has uh regarding uh the uh Bramble Regional Lab School uh which

157is located at the uh Bramble Nature Center Center uh and we have some new numbers that I think uh superintendent is going to be sharing uh about uh a new member of the CPS family thank you so everyone is aware uh that the zavor monory lab school is closing uh there is a constituent group who approached us a few months ago now about joining cincin Public Schools we had several conversations around this we hope hosted uh a Q&A a few week couple of weeks ago and then since then we've had two uh sessions for uh children to be able to enroll in C Public Schools so as of Friday the number from the monory lab school is students uh as of Friday there are about 45 current Cincinnati public school children who have expressed interest

158in joining that school for the upcoming school year and these 45 students come from a variety of about um eight different schools across our district so we're looking at uh those students also being able to enroll and it's my understanding that in in addition to those uh enrol Le uh for the um lab school there will be a also maintaining some preschool classes as well that are not necessarily Associated my apologies absolutely so the current preschool classrooms that are there right now that have been there will remain as a part of the school campus do we know then how we're progressing uh regarding the total enrollment as it measures against whatever was the either FMP for a little Bramble at the time or the last years or can we kind of be tracking some of

159that and also to I think the point that was made kind of continue to track uh enrollment as we go through these changes now kind of benchmarking it against those numbers that would trigger uh this uh building takeover so to speak or forced building sale it seems as though all of our enrollment numbers now have to kind of match or parallel what that what those numbers would would mean yes we will um I don't have those numbers with me right this moment uh but we will definitely be monitoring tracking those as we move forward because is the person that was here for the FMP as was the treasurer um those numbers of the FMP uh some of them were quite High regarding the amount of enrollment that was anticipated and the overall was low because

160they didn't think we would be I guess coming back or something they they projected us to drop to 28,6 64 kids and of course that did not happen and I wonder how that plays building by building as we start to think about that will it be their projections or will it be what we then went to Columbus and argued to have them upgrade the projections I think they projected the mon elementary schools to be at 600 650 and they cut the second monor high school out of the plan so we added that back with gamble that was like 10 we had to add 10 schools I think over time so thank you did you have a question yeah um so a couple things with regards to the the lab school and I know we talked

161about this when we were kind of thinking about exploring and and bringing them in and and doing the enrollment part of it but I guess one question is is to a certain extent we had made uh agreements I don't want to say agreements because it sounds like we actually like sat down and but like essentially we made assertions that we would bring on staff and I and the one thing I do worry about is that if we do not get enrollment all the way up to where it needs to be like the promises or the commitments that we may have we made any commitments that would um result in us having more staff in a building than necessary for what the educational requirements are I guess is my one one question worry and then I

162think the other part for me is the transition of uh the whole point of it being a lab school is that we' be able to train and educate and the kind of speed at which that process or that part could play um because I do think if we are thinking in like a year or two that's one thing if we're thinking 3 to five years it has a much different effect on the benefits that are gained from it so de Clan is helping us work on scheduling a date with the American monory society people uh I believe it's early March is a date that we're already looking at so we're getting that scheduled and ready to go cross it yes thank you um I'm wondering about building utilization it may not be a significant percentage

163but it might be where we have classrooms that are required to have the um teacher parent or the student teacher ratio like 6:1 or 8:1 I mean it seems like those would factor in building utilization but not necessarily the enrollment numbers but I think somehow that uh maybe there's some some accommodation could be made for the for that versus just the straight FMP member and the straight enrollment I I agree if several of our schools have asked about that and have raised that as a question I don't know how the state looks at that uh I don't know that they do at all so we'll keep working on it well um we could do it ourselves and be able to argue that point I I definitely agree I um how are the curent I have

164a question a couple questions how are the current CPS families engaged about enrolling at Bramble so uh we've had a few already reach out and um like I mentioned 45 already reach out about the customer care center I believe just even hearing through the media um print and radio media and television I've seen it on a few Outlets already um so they're asking and we're uh having conversations with them through the customer care center so do we have a formalized process that's yes I've those 45 I mentioned customer care is going to reach back out to them to see if they are interested in enrolling so so I had I had sent in the two emails that I had received around that but I guess my question is are we if if a family is

165interested in moving they what is what is the process for them to do that is are they just to say hey I'm going to call customer care since our Lottery system is closed what is the formalized process yes the same as they we would any any other way so even though the lottery is closed so to speak we still have ongoing enrollment in our school district so we utilize the same process and being that we're going to centralize enrollment for next school year I am funneling people to have the conversation through the customer care center okay great and is it going to be considered like a magnet or I mean what is this what I'm kind of interested in the cost like transer ation is an issue enrollment is is a concern for me but

166then Transportation how are we deal dealing with that so our conversation with the lab school was that um there would not be Transportation but it depends on um what we end up with uh in terms of our current students and whether or not it's the pleasure of the board um to provide the transportation going into this we said we would not but there are some other factors that are playing a part that we may want to take a look at so once we have it solidified uh who those students are if that's of um interest and importance and we'll bring that information okay so um well I'll I'll send I'll send my questions I still have more questions that are being asked of me and that you know if I if I'm one parent is

167at SS and she's like hey I want to go what do I do I said well I'm I'm not exactly sure I did suggest calling the customer care but have an email back from her so I'm wanting to understand if a parent has an interest what is the expectation are they not going to get any transportation is that to be determined and then from a board standpoint what is the cost of that like so I I I I thought we were kind of in the information gathering stage yes I appreciate that so right now yes call customer care as we would for any enrollment at this point two there is no Transportation established how however uh if that is something that the board wants us to look at differently we'll do that won't be able

168to tell you the cost of that until we know where the kids will be coming from okay do we know the capacity or the the enrollment number for Bramble do we know I no I have to take a look at that you mean for the building correct the capacity of Bramble building Jeremy's okay there's 15 ready to be occupied classrooms Jeremy looking something 375 Jen says the number is 375 I remember Bramble being at 350 dur the FMP measure or go ahead so there so there's 15 classrooms if you if you say there's 20 inass classroom then you're at 300 obviously if you have 25 um you're closer to 350 um right now there's three preschool classrooms in the building the lab uh monory lab asked for nine as they moved over so that would

169be three additional classrooms that would be unoccupied that's assuming 100% capacity that we're trying to fill all of those so right now we have a a little bit of a juggling act on where everyone's going to go obviously we don't want the building to be 100% at capacity because that doesn't give us any wiggle room to utilize some some additional spaces art music those types of things okay great thank you thank you so much I'm sorry for member Craig um just uh well two two quick questions one is for those folks who would have held spots within Xavier monori are we having a method of them working with the with Xavier to to address like folks who kids haven't enrolled yet like who would have put in a deposit to have a spot in the

170school on the waiting list yeah I think we absorbed two students who were on their waiting list so far okay and then the other thing and I think this is just maybe something for us to to talk about later with regard to we have a number of schools where we're using prek um within the building and I know that that's another aspect of when we talk about building capacity that a prek room is used very differently than a normal student classroom and I just I the only thing I'm thinking about also though is that in some schools we have some of the larger numbers of prek that does not mean that there is like 30 kids in one room it means there are more rooms with kids in them in smaller sizes and so that's

171just maybe another aspect of thinking about when we talk about in uh enrollment and capacity how much of that is true to what an FMP might look at because of the how the building is used in some ways um but I think that's another thing for me within the regards to the Bramble is because we did have not a huge number of students we had a fair amount of prek that were already there and if we have any new that are being added in that's just more again smaller space even than what would be in the normal monu classroom great vice president quick we know that the state doesn't fund us for prechool unless it's uh disabilities or what have you does that mean that the enrollment we have in our preschools won't count toward

172the total regarding whether or not we have 60% I mean can preschool children count in one instance uh like figuring out our 60% number but not as part of our enrollment that for which we get State funding well I don't know that that's stated if you ask shaa her opinion it is utilizing our building so I don't I don't know how they're completely defining utilization can we I don't want to give them an idea in in Columbus God forbid but I mean it it just because it doesn't count towards the state funding that they send us that still that there are children in that building learning I think I was on that call today and I thought it was saying used for academic purposes but again that's still ambiguous we can always little short people

173are getting a lot of good AC oh they my they are my favorite people by far trust and believe but I think um that it's ambiguous for a reason so we can definitely find out that that information for sure that yet well don't give them any idea I know any other questions about that they may make allowance for startup program you know well I was asking about the capacity cuz I'm just thinking what number do we need to get to I think if we were to Market it a little bit more aggressively with the plan we would have no problem getting there I don't think we have that marketing available at the moment so I think we're just Word of Mouth kind of trick people trickling in but I think if we were intentional with

174that we would probably be able to at least minimally fill that with 60% so I'm I'm not worried I just don't think we have a formalized process board member you wanted I was just going to say for this particular the the lab school wouldn't be a concern because we hav't operated it more than like the last two years so um like I think in some levels this would not be as much in this issue but we have other buildings where we have fundamentally operated primarily just prek um in those facilities and I think that'd be a legitimate question as if if past if maybe that's something we tght to our legislator legislative uh members um in future conversations um to ensure we kind of understand what the meaning of it and this is also again

175the vague capacity of or the vagueness in some bills lends to problems that we have that have to be fixed through litigation in other man manners of time so sure and I'm concerned where they're coming from because I don't want that to make that building low so that's the reason hence the reason for my questions is like there's a lot of moving parts that we are not able to control but I wanted just to get a bigger picture do board members have any other questions oh not a question but this has scared me now that U Mr Craig has said well what about our Rising Star buildings good question yeah so fed by state right and I mean and I'm just saying will they count that those are good questions we need to ask our

176legislator that's right yet that's why we have to market the heck out of our district just Market Market Market and we need to just pull we've got excellent programming and people just need to know what it is we're shuffling pieces around let's bring more pieces to the table right um vice president Bolton and superintendent Murphy please continue with your final presentation around projects and programming at Douglas and Evanston future projects uh my understanding is this is about what we learned uh at the um uh green umbrella meeting uh and I know we're talking about Green umbrella in a minute too so we'll kind of put those two together I guess um and that is that we did find out that the uh Red's Community Fund uh is as some of you will recall just recently

177they did the Bond Hill uh school and Recreation Center campus if you will uh some years ago some of you will recall when they did a magnificent job at Ethel Taylor which is also adjacent to a rather large uh uh Recreation Center in um in milvale area well now they have announced and we were uh there for that pre-announcement if I recall from Mr Franks and uh it is that they are they have decided to uh do a Reds Community Fund at Great expense and great number of volunteer hours at um our Douglas School Douglas is getting a lot of uh play tonight fortunately and also at our Owens Learning Center with the promise Center that those are the areas where they're going to be concentrating on um and uh just want to thank the

178uh Red's Community Fund for doing that and that that'll there's more I guess up to at least a half dozen schools of ours that the Reds Community Fund has committed these great dollars and and volunteer hours and the green umbrella initiative as many of you know that's about an 8-year-old uh initiative that began with the uh uh members of the park board and some members of the school board uh being drawn to together forced to work together briefly together anyway uh regarding something that was initially called uh CPS outside which then began to be um uh managed by Green umbrella as we also and uh president moffett's been a part of this from her first year on the board uh we we uh have the green schoolyard commitment uh in in uh efforts and we've

179had the board uh agreed to spend some significant amounts of money in order to have outdoor uh uh teaching areas at at our campuses and we've accomplished maybe 20 or more of those out of our 60 some schools and there's still a continuing list to uh find ways to establish and use our our campuses as we try to be good stewards of our I mean we are one of the largest property owners in this area and we have to be great stewards of our forests and our prairies and uh our uh kind of mow Lawns and uh especially uh now so uh the green umbrella initiative is big and I believe there's a National Conference occurring here uh in just a month or so uh about that and I think that the Cincinnati green umbrella

180effort and outdoor Cincinnati is going to be some among the presenters uh at that National Conference but uh we appreciate the administration's support uh moving forward and it included the meeting that the three of us were at superintendent and the president uh there were uh I believe 22 Partners um and Mr Crossett was there as well who actually has the long-term commitment to the outdoors that uh we value um the 22 Partners um at this one green umbrella meeting and it's uh I think it's one of our largest if not our largest networks that we have and we become very dependent upon those Partnerships as we cannot afford to do what our Partnerships allow us to do and do for our kids so very appreciative of green umbrella and the initiative and uh thrilled with

181the Reds Community uh efforts at both our um uh Owens and promise Center and um douglas douglas thank you us report thank you do board members have questions and I believe President Bolton you have the last update around the Foundation the foundation I hope that others will chime in especially Mr Crossett and the superintendent and the treasurer uh as the uh public will recall we started to talk about a foundation uh under uh uh superintendent Mitchell uh and it continued to be a discussion uh and uh indeed it's a move now from a discussion through a couple of different superintendant to where there's been a work working group uh that has come together and we've had the advice of the administration some months ago that if we were pursuing the foundation that the mo the

182quickest and perhaps the most um uh efficient way to do that is to begin to see the uh evolution of the uh activities beyond the the classroom uh merge into a full foundation for CPS and the administration reported on that about 6 months ago and uh in that working group uh we have been developing a um uhou between the parties and as it would impact us and we have recently had a fact finding uh with ABC and uh I think we're uh in the you know beyond the 50% uh way on the map as to having something to bring to the board uh uh and uh to uh see if we can um reach the Finish Line in a time that makes sense and in a foundation in a relationship with a foundation that makes

183sense for CPS so I would hope that Mr Crossett who's been part of the work group and the president who's joined and the superintendent the treasur can express their interests and concerns or uh future Direction any questions discussion former Craig um you know again I think there's there's some value that can be added certainly with regards to having a foundation for things that as a district we've inherently paid for that would be benefited from paying for through a foundation and other means I I renew my concern and I rais this when we talked about this before and as I'm not a part of the conversations I will raise it now again that I think there are concerns that I have substantially with a with v Services being provided by someone who is also serving in

184that capacity as to garnering resources and re in funds through the forther uh through the foundation and and I think there's a long-term plan that needs to be there to address this issue and because I do think one of my concerns also is that there's an administrative cost to provide those services that were paying and then another administrative cost and one of the things we've been trying to get out of is these duplicative cost that we pay for having multiple contracts with people we've raised this specifically numerous times with regards to Hamilton County Services and we've said this multiple times here yet it's okay to do it for someone else and so I think you know for me there's there's some serious concerns with what services are provided going forward what's what the cost of

185those Services provided are going forward but also I do think we need more of the full board's engagement into this process because there hasn't been the full board's engagement into this process in a substantial way and that has left some ideas and some thoughts sitting outside of the conversation so I just will again continue to express my uh feelings that I'm happy to have a a organization that has been dedicating a lot of time to our students be still be a part of that process and still be able to help um and still be able to be a partner with regards to uh developing relationships to build resources into the district but I think we still have to do it the right way way and I and again I I say that all the time

186but that that things still need to be done the right way even if there's some great benefit to it and I feel a little bit like we are getting a little cart in front of the horse if we don't do it the right way P remember cross it uh yeah uh board member Craig I appreciate your comments and I I think those are concerns we've had a a working group trying to get something together that we could bring to the full board for a really good robust discussion and um your your concerns in terms of are we doing are we minimizing administrative costs I think we're definitely being um sensitive to that are we trying to do this in the best way possible I think we are being sensitive to that too I think um

187in one specific uh uh topic that we've been addressing is can a foundation be a fundraising arm and also a service provider and everywhere we've looked that this is actually common and not a conflict of interest so I we're but I do think that there are some services that they are providing now would maybe be better not than not providing so we're looking at those options as well um but uh I think the the U so there are some of those kinds of administrative details that have to work out but I think the big picture on this is there's huge upside in terms of the fundraising and I really appreciate what uh ABC has done to step up into this mode of being becoming a big fundraising arm for the district um and it it

188it just has lots and lots of upside and and it also gives us an opportunity to give a little bit of reset on the programming which I think is also an upside so I'm I'm I'm excited about this opportunity I I think when we get our working group done we might even have something to present at the next board meeting I'm hopeful and that that we'll get something here in front of the board that uh for the most part will be received positively and give everybody a chance to robustly engage in uh the uh vetting of of proposals or scenarios of proposals so but thank you for your your your comments and I I want you to know that we we were sensitive to your concerns and we we think you'll see that we've addressed

189them I hope or most of them so I'm going to just offer in the best interest of time um I I share there's some sentiments that have already been shared I am a huge um fan of ABC and I'm a huge fan of a foundation I know that a foundation um in general that's not ABC or any other XYZ is a benefit to The District in what their mission is supposed to do to supplement programming etc etc to be the fundraising arm of the district um I am sharing concerns around the mixture of resource coordination and Athletics with that and trying to separate that from the my love of ABC and and all that they do for us and a foundation in what can happen and so I would invite the subgroup that's been meeting

190to come up with multiple proposals and not just oneou that talks about and I've shared this with and I'm going to share this publicly it needs to be if you were to have just be a foundation no ties to Athletics no ties to Resource coordination what does that look like what does that proposal look like if you were to maintain one or two things what does that look like that makes me feel more comfortable but it also um puts for puts some foresight into the fact that if you're I'm I'm not I'm not as concerned about the benefit to ABC and and them maintaining and being whole although I want them to be but I'm trying to be physically responsible as as a district and so um I we had a great fact finding but

191I I do think that there may need to be a little bit more group think around Direction um than it has happened already I think that I think that the impression that I got is that the board wants a foundation how we get to there and I've told them I think we're going to get there but how we get to there is what is causing a little bit of concern for me and I'm also interested in having an outside agency look at this from our best interest like the office of the auditor or whomever can look at this and tell me that um what we're proposing is not a conflict of interest in my mind I'm using the word conflict of ventes and I think it's being thrown around like oh this happens all the

192time I haven't seen those examples I'm not saying that don't exist I just would feel very comfortable knowing that um the way that we're going is approved by an external agency as well yeah we've been in this relationship with ABC for whatever it is 20 plus years with and they actually are a 501c3 foundation and they've been raising money and providing services for us in this fashion for a long time so well when my my my concern is when I spoke about this to former board members much older and at this than myself they shared exactly what you said that this is formed as a foundation uh there was money taken from different places to form the foundation of ABC and they gave me a history lesson and so again I I I see where

193we are now I'm trying to be fiscally responsible but I'm also wanting a little bit more information and just In fairness and I think that I'm not the only person that wants that information and um how we got here is important but we didn't just get here simply because of Athletics but it was a very big part of it and so um I want us to just just be be transparent with it that's all so did you have anything else to add for vice president B yeah um I have a sing feeling as to the the history lesson that some board members might give uh were initially opposed to having ABC which used to be the student uh uh uh activities Foundation it's the same old same old on that one but I think the

194the interesting thing for us is to go back and I maybe I'll make this assignment I'd like board staff uh and the administration to report back to us as to the number of times in the last three or four years that we have talked about a foundation publicly uh and when the administration came back and advised us in this past year as to a direction to go or reassurance about conflict of interest I think that would just a timeline would help us all feel a little bit more comfortable about whether not there's there's been enough transparency but to the point about Athletics and and uh uh the the reason all this got started with ABC is that the school district was not funding these programs and the only way the children and the teenagers got

195to have these programs is that some great Partners along the way came and and started to pick up that effort I think there's a marketing issue if we if no I'll take that back it's not a marketing issue I think if where I feel like we need a really good board discussion uh son's the administration advising us about certain things about a foundation is to for what is the what would we use the foundation for what's the purpose to me um I think that's the full board discussion too that needs to be used what would the focus be what would you what would you want the foundation to be would you want them to be raising things from school activities of 8 to three or you want them to uh be about literacy you want

196them to I think that's the only part of this discussion as far as I feel that we've not had some board discussion and impact you know input from the administration and and I worry about if we're somehow going to exclude Athletics or resourcing resource coordination or whatever and separated it over here from the foundation that's going to put a tremendous burden on ABC who has made its brand if you will Athletics and in the last six or seven years the Arts and now in the last several years too one of our number one uh resource coordination people so I think I think a a great would be a good board discussion would be how do we envision the use of this Foundation their purpose we can you know we can make anou and and try

197to do the structure and deal with some of the issues that we're concerned about but really the whole board it wouldn't be a bad thing is that okay you want to talk about a foundation for what would we use that Foundation what would we ask them what would we charge them uh to do and what would be the what would be the label of it what would be the banner of it what would be its its uh ability to uh brand itself because people been writing checks about Athletics and resource coordination and whatever so I just think that would be a great dis that would be a fun discussion too uh among the board members I I do agree with you I just I want to respond just briefly I think that that is a

198very fair discussion I almost feel like that's what the assignment to the administration was was to come back with various types of foundation uses and and what models could happen I don't remember I maybe I remember anou discussion but it wasn't around the specifics as much as it was around the purpose and and kind of a skeletal outline of what it should look like so I think that that's that's definitely a place to start I also want to share I have absolutely no interest in dismantling ABC I love ABC and I think that they provide a wonderful service to us I do have an assignment to the administration around resource coordination the cost of that and Athletics so that's definitely forthcoming but I think that I I will also say there the I understand what

199a foundation is supposed to do and I think ABC is perfectly poised to receive monies on behalf of the district that people do not have any interest in giving directly to the district and I don't think that they're going to have any problem and I've said this to them and I've said this publicly I think there's a a large number of organizations that are interested in in providing that so I'm not confused on what that is supposed to be I'm a little concerned with how we get there and that's what that's what I think needs more full board discussion I'm for a foundation I am for ABC being the foundation if that's the case how we get there is where my concern is board member Craig you had a question I was just going to

200say I I think for me there is an aspect though that is about what the work is and the transparency of that work because there is a difference in being a foundation that provides support and being a vendor and at the end of the day a vendor does not have the same obligations to us in in a way that a a foundation would be working to draft and do stuff on behalf of that to sponsor and pay for stuff on behalf of and I do think that it's really nice everyone talks about how you can clear these clear lines and delineate between this and this that sounds lovely we all think we can do it and every Law Firm whoever tells you they can work on both sides of a case sounds great until they

201have to do it and every you know accountant who can tell you I can work on both sides of lger here on this it sounds great until they have to do it and so I worry about the fact that we have not defined the work that would be done by the foundation into the needs of who how we would meet the needs of the district through that and there is an clear possibility and and an opportunity where you may have a person who says I really want this for this team they really going to love this or their team's going to go here we need to get some funds for that and that's a really great conversation that would normally happen where a foundation would come in and say the team needs to goex let's

202get it there and there is great need to have that synced conversation the problem becomes is does that employee have that same relationship with with their employer that another employee might have there's those things that happen through the normal course of work that through the normal course of operations that we do not have control of nor will we be able to dictate or determine and that's why it's a concern to me because when you operate in these different spaces you can do that and we'd have that opportunity but we haven't had the discussion even of what we want the foundation to do so I mean I think there is a lot of yes steps that need to happen with regards to what our expectations of the foundation we have a number of smaller foundations with

203schools that that realistically we talk about them in foundation and name only right like they are not generating revenue on everyday basis they're not something that's generating huge population of funds to pay for things so there is a reason to have the conversation and there are other funds that do generate a huge amount of resources for those schools so I think there is a a need to have that conversation I just don't need think that conversation happens in a vacuum absent the role and responsibilities to ensure that those services that for which which we are Contracting with ABC are being done in the best manner possible and it's not always about what can be done but whether it should be done that way and I have concerns with whether it should be done that way

204it I I think uh I just want to add one point in our working group uh the ABC folks have been very clear that their objectives are our objectives they're going to be very supportive of whatever strategic or uh immediate needs we want they're not going to raise money for their own agenda and I think they've been very clear and very that's a really positive uh component and uh just to reiterate I think uh you know the uh scenario that you just brought up regarding employees and that sort of thing I think you'll be pleased with with with what what working group will bring so uh be a little patient and we'll get there hopefully maybe even next week so thank you okay so um a proposed consent agenda has been distributed Treasurer Wagner please

205maintain the list of any exceptions and the exception makers are there any exceptions do board members the superintendent or the treasurer have any exception items to the consent agenda no comment all right right so I need a motion and a second to approve the items of the consent agenda so moved second uh treasure Wagner roll call Vote Yes yes yes except for the um superintendent's report page two section d i Am obst aining from that uh we've already done the um presentation by uh president Bolton or vice president Bolton board member Weinberg is not here superintendent Murphy she just wanted you to restate the cold weather policy statement that you had so we do not have a policy but when making a decision about inclimate weather there are several factors that we take in place

206that we take into uh consideration excuse me including the temperature including the wind chill including the condition of our building including our ability to clear our 6789 parking lots um including what might be happening with our staff including what might be happening with our children and so it's really challenging to kind of put it in a box that people may like to have because there are so many factors and uh varience in making the decision thank you um are there any assignments or announcements from board members vice president Bolton um I would like to assign if I could uh to the administration and to board staff uh looking back uh regarding the kind of the timeline of discussion regarding the foundation uh as to in public session obviously whether it's been in a committee or

207in uh board uh meetings the other one I'd like uh to uh assign if I could is the sharing of the uh Transportation cost per school with the administ with the board members I know there's a newer list or more recent list uh and it Remains the Rosetta Stone for me about our schools and how much they cost or don't thank you those are my two hopefully they're not too horrible any other board members so I just have I would like to the ad to ask the administration around to research the cost of resource coordination to the district what is that cost um I know during budget discussions last year maybe the year before uh the the board was very clear that they did not want to dismantle resource coordination but it doesn't have to

208look the way that it is but I want to understand what the cost is um what are we paying each agency what a Personnel costs and I know um ABC has talked about that's a reimbursement cost for organizations but that's really my question is what is the cost of that can I answer it right now sure and in writing but yes yes it's um I believe 4.3 million okay I thought it was like four four million and I we had received in the past a breakdown per agency how many resource coordinators they had per uh agency and then that particular cost yeah was a chart we got I just like that updated um additionally I would like to know the cost of athletic the athletic department for the district what is that one of the

209things that came out of our fact finding is if we're if we're even talking about not doing having ABC do athletics we need to understand what those costs are so I would like to know the cost of Athletics to the district for that entire department and then um if we could I know that we do pay ABC ABC hires our athletic directors so is there do we have to get that from them as far as what the cost would be um I'm looking like if the budget is 3 million how much of that is salaries or that do we if we can get that information from them um I also we were planning a joint CD CPS meeting the city had to adjust the meeting just for the public we we had planned a meeting

210the city had to change that the tenative date is April 16th I want at the administration to see if that date works and I would like for board members to also see if that date works Miss Phyllis sent out an email requesting that that date be held so asking board members to see so there is a cow meeting scheduled that day as well as districtwide lsmc okay so that day may be conflicting we just can't catch a break and um the last thing is the request for a joint Cincinnati preschool promise meeting with Cincinnati public schools the email was sent out about a week and a half maybe well actually maybe two weeks ago or 3 weeks ago to do that meeting with the an hour before the cow on March 12th I think that

211date is so they would come from 3:00 to 4:00 and then we would have our regular cow from 4: to 6 and I just want to make sure that the administration holds that um will you say the date one more time it's the C the March cow I think it's the 12th the 12th is it the 12th 19th March 12 from 3 to 4 you said yes I just want to make sure that that date is time is um okay for Rob and his team an addition April 16th might not work but we'll figure that part out for the city and that's all I have and then the information around the sales tax levy getting that information do we have that um so our legal council sent me a message during the meeting to say

212that school districts at this time cannot do sales taxes okay oh man gotcha what M Craig I just wanted to actually give a Kudos that I forgot to give earlier um uh it's of a non workor manner but um our current treasure had her first uh recital so when to give her a Kudos as she is also now a accomplished musician in addition to her many other skills and talents as she gets out of here good job good job wasn't my first recital but it was my first solo put it that way so yeah I played Amazing Grace and it was fun all right well congratulations for that do board members have any other topics comments questions concerns so the chair will gladly entertain a motion for adjournment so moved is there a second second

213all right