May 22, 2026 Board of Education Meeting

001So, notice of this meeting was given in accordance with the provisions of bylaw 0164B of the Riverside Local Board of Education, which was adopted in accordance with section 1.450 of the Ohio Administrative Procedures Act. Can you please call roll? >> Mrs. Kinsky >> here. >> Mrs. Graassy >> here. >> Mr. Audino >> here. Miss Brewster >> here. >> Mr. Buyers >> here. >> Thank you. Can we stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. On behalf of the board, I'd like to welcome all students, staff, parents, and interested community members to tonight's board of education meeting. I'd like to remind everyone that this is a meeting of the

002board of education held in public for the purpose of conducting the school district's business and is not to be considered a public community meeting. There is time for public comment during the meeting in the public participation section of the agenda. Um, I'd like to make a motion to amend the agenda to add item Q, administration, administrative resignation to the personal personnel consent agenda. Can I get a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you. >> And I also have some >> any discussion on this item. Item Q just so um it's an administrative resignation um for Kyle Andre, our transportation director. >> It'll be added. >> Okay. And I had a couple >> I'm sorry. Hold on a second. Is there any discussion on this one? >> Okay. Can you call the role, please? >> So

003to clarify, we are simply voting to amend the agenda. >> Yeah, this is amend the agenda. >> Understood. Understood. >> Y >> Mr. Buyers, >> I miss Brewster. >> Hi, >> Mr. Hi. Mrs. Graassy. >> Hi. >> And Miss Mrs. Penski. >> Hi. >> Motion carries five. >> Right. Miss Brewster. >> Yes. Um I didn't know when I needed to chime in here. So um we uh wanted to under um pages screenshots of them. See um item Um there's a consent agenda. Um item C, administrative personnel, and it talks about um some different things. Um so I want that um as a separate item, please. >> IC be voted on separately. >> Okay. Um can you have to ask for a second on that, please? >> No. any board member. >> This is 12 seat

004agend. >> Okay. All right. And then as you said this is a very good um I just had we will have a chance to ask questions before we vote on >> you can you can ask questions during the consent as well. Well, that's where we would Yeah, we always question. >> Yeah, because there were a couple questions about some things and um let's see. Um item J. Um no, it's not item. That's separate. Uh it's item L. >> I would just like it a separate And I think and then there's the N administrative and director >> Nancy. >> You want that separate also? Yeah. I think that's good. I don't want to vote. Now the uh facilities plan is that that's all part of one whole thing that we can ask questions that ask questions.

005>> Okay. And uh the uh board policies, that's my thing. It's just a first read. >> One's a first read, the other one's a vote. >> Okay. And um so the first read is the revised. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I just want that's it. >> So for the record, we have item C, item L, item N off the consent agenda still to be voted on to be up or down, but they'll be voted separately. >> Anything else? All right, that brings us to approval of the agenda with the changes that were just on discuss. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? Roll, please. >> Mr. Aino. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Grassy. >> Hi, >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. I >> Mrs. Ginski >> I >> motion

006carries. >> Next is approval of minutes. Um a motion to approve minutes as attached for April 23rd, 2026. Can I get a second? >> Any discussion? >> Okay. Can you call roll, please? Graassy. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Kenski. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi, >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi, >> Mr. Audino. >> Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> Right. It brings us to special reports. >> All right. I have two tonight and I don't have to say anything, so I'm excited about them. Um, the first up is Miss Rit to talk a little bit about special education, uh, student models and success plans. This is an annual requirement from OD and she's kind of going to give an update of >> the department as well. Um, start with that. >> Absolutely. Good evening, members

007of the board and the community. Like Dr. Matino shared, I'm the director of student services and tonight I'm going to share some information about our student wellness and success. Okay, there we go. We're back on track. Um, >> okay. So, student wellness and success funds are state allocated funds um that are given to districts in order to support the needs of the whole child. Um, are some specific um purposes that the state does ask us to consider and some of those I've listed here. So, mental health services, physical health services, community engagement activities as well as school safety and professional training and development are some of the purposes that these funds can be utilized for. So, this current school year, the district is expecting to receive about 164,000 in student success funds. Um this funding

008is primarily being used for school-based mental health counseling um through Signature Health. One of the parameters in use of these funds is that we need to partner with one of our community which is signature health. So our current staffing for this school year building. As you can see here, um we have at least one full-time counselor in every building. Um we have one and a half at Mel, one and a half at Luth. We have two full-time counselors at Riverview as well as here at the campus. In order for students to receive any counseling services, there needs to be a referral that is put in through the school district. That referral can from a building administrator, a school counselor, and a school psychologist. Some of the services once a referral is made that the that

009signature help will provide to our students is the diagnostic assessment to determine what appropriate treatment is necessary, individual or group counseling services. They can also provide staff training. They can different types of student skills groups. Um, and they do ongoing consultation as well as presentations. Um, they also facilitate case management to help families who are in need um, in order to access various community resources. They can complete risk assessments for students who might be in crisis and that we may feel are, you know, a risk to themselves. In addition, they can threat assessments or be part of one of our threat assessment teams in order to determine if there is a student of concern. If there is any risk to safety in there currently this year we are serving about 318 students both individually or

010in small groups. That number is Just like last year we were serving about 312 students districtwide. I just included some resource here for the community. Um this is the phone number directly to signature health as well as to our county. >> When we get the funding for them and we're paying Signature Health, they're not billing for those services, are they? Do they build Medicaid? They do. So if a student is Medicaid eligible, they're directly build for those services through school Medicaid. If they are not, then it is directly. >> So the funds are used to supplement what they don't build to Medicaid because they can't do twice. Correct. >> Thank you for that presentation. By the way, the staffing that you have for student services, if those are the numbers you feel are adequate for

011each one. I do and that's what we're um proposing for next year as well. So there should be no change and as far as I know no staffing changes so we'll have consistency in our buildings. So I'm gonna turn this over to Julie Weber. She is our early childhood director but she also serves as our gifted coordinator. So she was going to talk a little bit about services currently and some of the things that we would like to see happen. >> Good evening everyone. Um, all right. Here we go. All right. We're gonna start off with a bang here. So, um, this was Dr. idea to give um our gifted services here at Riverside a name. So we came up or he came up with gear and that is gifted education at Riverside. And then

012we kind of came up with this little graphic to represent some of the um ideas that we have here for gifted education at Riverside. And you can see in some of the gears um the words inquire, creative, challenge, and one of the most important ones is grow. Um because even though our gifted learners are learners of high intellectual abilities, we still want to see them push that um growth. So we don't want them to kind of stay stagnant. We want to provide them with opportunities and um challenges so they can to grow as well. All right. So, what does it mean to be gifted? Um, when we think of gifted learners, we do think of those learners. Oh, no. >> Okay, I got it. I'm good. Okay. So, we do think of those learners that

013do have that high intellectual ability, but along with that comes other things that we need to consider as well. Um, we have to consider their social growth um and we do have to consider their emotional growth as well. Um they do take in information um and might process it a little bit differently um than your than some of your average learners. Um a lot of times we might see some of that perfectionism come out and into play and we just have to be aware of those things as well. It's not always that information comes easily to them. Um and they and they get good grades. Um because that is not always the case. Um so we have to be aware that they have different needs um and you know that we are addressing those. Okay.

014So if we take a look at um Riverside, how do we identify kids as gifted in our district? And that starts in second grade and we use the MAP test um to begin that identification. Um and students who the 95th percentile or higher on the math or reading are identified gifted in that specific subject or academic area. Um we also use the SAT scores in 11th grade again in math and reading um and again they have to be in the 95th percentile. Um in second and in fifth grade we also give a group cognitive test called the INV. Um, and that's where we can identify students as superior cognitive. Um, and they have to have a score of 128 or higher um, to get that superior cognitive um, gifted identification. All right. So, if we

015take a look at Riverside, um, I broke this down into grade bands to kind of look at the number of gifted kids that we identify. So in second through fifth grade we have approximately 1,200 students and 18% of those students are identified gifted. Now I did break that down a little further um and I took a look at um students who were just identified in math and students who were just identified in reading. So both of those came out to be about 13% of that 1,200. Um and then in sixth and seventh grade there are 640 students there and about 19% of them have a gifted ID. And then 8 through 12 we have 14 almost 1,500 students and again about 19% of them have a gifted ID. So again just a reminder that we

016do identify in reading and math and superior cognitive. All right. So, um, taking a look at the professional development side of it. So, now we have these kids that are identified gifted within our district. So, what do we do for them? Um, and the state of Ohio a few years ago came out and said that general education teachers could be providers of gifted services. Um but in order to become a provider of gifted services they had to complete 60 hours of professional development over a fouryear period. Um so and for AP staff so for student at the high student teachers at the high school who teach AP classes they have to get the AP training which is 24 hours but then they also have to have 30 hours of additional gifted P training. So previous

017Previous years we have offered within our district um book studies and they have to be provided by a person with a gifted license and in our district we have two people who have a gifted license um myself and um Bobby Joe Murphy who teaches at limit. So we are the only two within the district that have that gifted license. Um so I have pro been providing um those opportunities for teachers through book studies um each year where they can get they can accumulate 15 hours. So we have had several staff and on a later slide I will say um how many staff have been involved in that. Um but next year we are going to move toward um embedding some of this PD um within the PD that PD days that happen here at Riverside.

018Um we do have a big personalized learning focus here now and personalized learning and gifted kind of go hand in hand. So we're going to start taking a look at it that way. Um okay. So right now we have about 25 district staff members who have participated um in the gifted PD. Um some of them are nearing the end of those 60 hours. They have been participating for the last three years that I have been offering it. Um and they do come from all levels. So this year we even had a preschool teacher um participating in the gifted PD. And if you walk into her preschool room, let me tell you she Um it is really kind of amazing. Um she had preschoolers that were reading already and so she took that and ran with

019it and they were reading books and uh so it it was pretty amazing. So we have it from preschool all the way up to um the high school with some of those AP teachers um taking the gifted PD as well. Um in this past school year I did it a little bit differently. Um I did run three separate book studies. So we had one for the elementary level that met after school. We had one at Lemouth that met after their school day which is an hour earlier and we had one at the high school that met in the morning um just to kind of meet the needs of all of um the teachers because it's sometimes hard to ask a high school teacher to stay until 4:15 so that they can participate in a work

020study. So, um I am hoping that by embedding the gifted PD within our PD days that we can increase that staff number by at least 10 um and kind of work on filling in some of those gaps that we have throughout the district um with some um people in those areas so that we can work on providing more equitable access across our especially elementary buildings. All right. Um, so what will that PD look like? Um, in keeping in mind that it does need to be high quality professional development and there are gifted competencies that the gifted PE has to fall under. So you have to offer a variety of um professional development like there has to be certain parameters to what you do offer for gifted PD. Um and so some of the PD sessions

021this next year are going to focus on those social and emotional needs of gifted students along with writing written education plans and we are hoping to get staff more involved in the writing of those documents so they become a little more personalized to the student. um and then working in those um personalized learning teams and running a book study through that. Um the book study would include sessions during um PD days that we have in November. then in February and in March. And then in December and January, we're planning on running TBT or PLC Zoom sessions to again touch base with those staff members who are doing it during those months. Um, and then just beginning the tight tip of the iceberg on this one, um, beginning the MTSS process, um, with regard to gifted

022students, um, with one meeting per semester in each building, kind of pulling those staff members and looking at those particular students. All right. Um then what does that gifted learning team look like? Um it will be facilitated by staff members who again have that gifted license. So you can guess who those two people are going to be. Um and staff are going to be asked to join this focused learning team um by allowing representation across all four of our elementary buildings along with those middle and high school teachers. And I think it will be interesting. This past year, RPD did have those mixed groups. So, we had elementary people and middle and high school people in learning team groups. Um, and I think that provides something valuable for our teachers, too. Um, we haven't necessarily

023been able to do that very well with the gifted um because everybody because it has been on teachers own time and just finding the time to bring all those different levels together was hard. So I think having it this having it like this this coming year will be valuable to get those um teachers from all those levels. >> Um we are going to begin some foundational work on building the concept of a genius hour. Um and this is a time for students to kind of explore some of their passions um by creating projects to share with those authentic audiences. Again, it's going to look a little different in elementary, middle, and high school. Um, but at the elementary and middle school level, we do have that IE time. So, we are going to do something

024about the E part of IE. So, hoping to build some of those foundations that we can then continue to grow. All right. our continuum that we have right now. Um we kind of looked at it the same way that we look at um our MTSS process. So within those three tiers um so tier one, this is just what happens in our general education classroom. Um, we differentiate the core instruction in the classroom by providing those enrichment opportunities, by flexibly grouping students, um, by, um, kind of using those personalized learning options, developing some of that independence within our kids, um, and that inquiry along with reflection and, um, problem solving. So, those are the things that are happening in all of our classrooms across the district. that tier 2 piece. Um, this is when we begin

025to more intentionally cluster group students together um, within those general education classrooms. This might be when a teacher compacts the curriculum. So, they take unit five, they give a pretest, and they begin to like compact it together. So, the kids work on what they need to, but maybe not every single lesson. and then they provide some differentiation for them. Um this is also where we find some of those written education plans um that are developed and um staff that have received the PD carry those out within the classroom. Um this is also our honors and our AP classes to the high school. Um and then we have our tier three and this is where acceleration occurs. So this will be our single subject acceleration, our whole grade acceleration, um early entrance to kindergarten is considered

026um an acceleration and then those that dual enrollment at the high school. All right. So some of the goals for gear moving into the future um is to ensure that equitable access to gifted services across the district, no matter what elementary building you are in um that we have that access available. Um focus on identifying and addressing some of those gaps districtwide and targeting that professional development in those areas for that staff. um just expanding that continuum of gifted services um strengthening and streamlining that gifted onboarding process. This is when those parents receive those letters that their child has been identified gifted. Um there are a lot of questions surrounding that all the time. Um no matter how specific the letter gets and what you kind of spell out, they're always like, "Where's my kid

027going to go?" and getting um you know the community to realize they're not going anywhere, they're getting what they need within their classroom and here's how we're doing that. Um so just increasing that like communication between the school and the parents. Um and then to increase the percentage of identified students who are act actively receiving gifted services and that happens through that professional development piece and then here are some resources that I just put on here. Um, OAGC has a really nice, um, website that lists lists a bunch of resources, um, for gifted educators, gifted parents, um, things like that that you can check out. And then the Ohio Department of Education obviously has their gifted information page. And then I also included on here um, Riverside's gifted ID procedures and their district plan. And

028this is something that is updated yearly. So that will be coming around again this summer. >> So as a coordinator, you're familiar with what's going on in other Lake County schools. Is that similar with the book studies or are they doing other things to >> um Well, there are different ways that um different schools do this. A lot of them do offer asynchronous things. So there are things that are offered online. Um teachers can complet that PD kind of online on their own. Um, I do put that out to our staff. Some people do take me up on that and and like to do that on their own time and in their own way. Um, but then others do like to come together as a group and kind of learn from each other as well.

029Um, and then there are always workshops and things that you can do and they count as so many gifted hours. And I know math is a little easier to compact. Reading we have levels but we also have wit and wisdom. So how are you working with that? >> Yeah, witten wisdom is um kind of I I feel that naturally differentiated curriculum anyway. There are so many things, so much questioning that can happen within just the general delivery of the material to the students um that one question might grab this set of students while another might grab this set of students down here. So I do think that as the teachers become more familiar and comfortable with the delivery of the curriculum that some of that natural differentiation is going to be happening as well. >>

030Okay. There are there opportunities um you know um outside of Wisdom I know they recommend novels and different things to expand >> right and then the topic they stay on for a lengthy time >> right I do know that in a lot of our um elementary schools teachers do offer during that IE time um for students who may not be getting pulled out for other interventions they do offer some of those um groups and things that they um have within their classrooms. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thank you for your presentations. I appreciate it. A couple questions. Could you elaborate on Looks like we've done a lot of work around identifying at second grade and throughout their tenure here and a lot of professional development. But could you elaborate on second, third, fourth

031grade uh specific to the gifted services that we offer students? And do you also feel like it's consistent among the four elementary schools? >> So right now um there are gaps between our elementary buildings and that's what we are hoping is by embedding the PE the professional development that teachers have to have in order to become gift service providers. By embedding that within the workday we are going to be able to fill some of those gaps. Um and then the services will become more more equitable across across the district. >> As we know, vouchers are very popular right now and private school continues to increase their population, if you will. >> What where do you think we have the most upside as a school district to be a differentiator in gifted services compared to the

032other schools surrounding Riverside? >> I looking at the staff that we have here at Riverside, I think the past few years, I have seen people um wanting to take chances wanting to learn more, um wanting to implement things, wanting to try something, um and also asking like lots of questions. Um I just remember last year we had some teachers at Parkside who were trying things within their classroom. Things didn't go as they planned. They came down. We talked about that. They talked about it with their teachers that they work with on their team. they went back and they tried it again. Um, I do see staff um, not giving up on things. I do see them trying it, trying again, um, revising it and being willing to learn and willing to ask questions um, about

033how they can best meet the needs of their kids. >> Thank you. I do have two more questions. Sorry, I was looking for you. >> No, it's fine. That's what I'm here for. >> Okay. Uh, question three. You had mentioned we have two with license, one being yourself, right? >> Yeah. >> And I I think I heard you correctly. You want to get that number to 10. Is that right? >> Well, the gifted license is something different. >> Okay. So, >> so yeah. So, what I am talking about is um general education teachers becoming gifted service providers. So, that's just by taking those 60 hours of professional development, they become that gifted service provider. um to have a gifted license that requires um college classes and credits and things like that and those are two

034separate two separate things. >> Okay. Well, focusing on the number 10 that you wanted, >> could you elaborate on what we're doing to incentivize might be the wrong word, but I'll stick with that to incentivize teachers to uh reach that level. So currently we have 25 that participated in the professional development um and that was outside of their contracted day. So that was something that teachers wanted to do to extend their learning um and to work with other teachers and to be able to be a provider of gifted services. So I think by what I am hoping is by embedding that PD that PD within the natural PD days that occur, more teachers will become a part of that gifted learning team and therefore start to accumulate those hours that can um qualify them to

035become a gifted service provider. >> All right, last one. >> No problem. >> The the teachers that are part of that gifted group >> when outside of professional development days or any other PD that you offer them, uh are how are you collecting feedback from that group to see and feel that they feel like their collaboration is effective and that they're moving forward as a team, not just within their grade, but across all the grades, >> right? They do share um and some of this also came out during our um personalized learning when we had the kind of gallery walk type of thing um at the beginning of March. Um when we had that, some of these uh things that were done within the gifted um book study kind of came out within that gallery

036walk as well. Um a lot of teachers um do collaborate not only among the you know two to four that would be in their grade level um but they do reach out and to other buildings as well. Um, I know especially our um, math teachers um, across the district, they do collaborate within those TBT meetings, within PLC meetings, and um, they share those ideas, things that are going well, questions that they have. So, hopefully that will just continue when we're able to touch base a little more regularly um, during those days. Anyone else have a question? >> So again going back to the 10 I guess is your number. Um and you have 25 people participating with but they have 60 hours right was the number. >> Yes. The a lot of the people participating

037now have 45. >> Okay. So after this year they will have accumulated that 60 um because this will be their fourth year for many of them. >> Um there's a few who might 30 hours. Um but for many after this year they will have the 65. >> So starting the next school year they will be able to provide gifted services. >> Yes. And they are able to provide them while they are getting the hours as well. They just have to be involved in the PD during that school year. And after they get the 60 hours like the PD doesn't stop. So um we do continue offer the PV and they still need to accumulate a few hours. That's a district decision. Um the state doesn't really tell you how many hours that has to be,

038but it does say hours with an S on it. So it has to be more than one. >> Um so we have it really decided because we don't have anyone right now that has 60. So um that has to be a decision that will come. Just to clarify a little bit on this when we started to talk about kind of how we do these services and what our beliefs are in teaching and learning personalized learning is one of those beliefs and whether you identify gifted or not. There are some areas where you're strong in and there are some areas we're actually need some assistance and teaching teachers how to teach to the whole spectrum of learners in their classroom is is a perfect skill. We're going to embed that into all professional development as we

039continue to move on throughout the year. It's a new shift to just this voluntary Hey, do you want to do this to renew your license? This is going to be something we embed into our typical day as part of a personalized learning program. Uh we worked really hard with our MTSS process interventions for our lowest learners to bring those up. Uh but then also now it's to really push push through the ceiling and kind of work through that as we work through it. So just because um actually being a gifted service provider allows us to check a box on the in our software and email to get a point on the on the report card on the state report card which important, but the most important thing is they were reaching all all of the

040learners in the classroom whether they're identified gifts or not because everybody's got a strength, >> right? So, how does that show up through through our report card or the yearly progress? >> So, there's a gifted indicator on there and it has about seven or eight spots. Um the one is gifted performance index which is an incredibly high number. Um the other one's gifted value added and then there's amount identified. We've always gotten a number for identification because we screen um meet the screening requirements. But then there's service and that has specific parts and then service under subgroups and gap closing also has identified and serviced under under different subgroups also gets gets checked. So there's a lot of that is probably the hardest um total indicator to get I would say and get to coalition

041is very strong in Ohio. Um and also they have just started to they will say it's funded now. Um they haven't changed our general funds but they have tiered certain funds and and target them to gifted. So we do use those funds to identify. We've always used those funds to identify but there are identification funds. We could also use it for some of those professional development as well. >> And so if your student is identified as gifted in some way, shape or form and they're in a class especially at the the I would at the elementary level. At the high school level, if they choose not to take an AP class, then then they're not getting service. So, I don't know what you do about that. Right. Um, right. They don't have >> CCP can

042count, doesn't it? Depending >> depending on what the class is. There are certain classes that fit into that reading or math category. >> But say they're in an elementary classroom and that teacher doesn't have that training, so they're not getting service. Is that correct? So we do when we have teachers who are trained in buildings, we have tried to strategically cluster group those into classes. This is going to allow us to have teachers in every single building. And that's kind of the thing we've identified as we've gone through our processes and moved out and said, well, this is this is the next big lift um that we're doing to make sure that all of our buildings have people who are able to provide services at each of the great, >> right? And like Dr. Ino

043said um services do allow us to check that box. Um but I do want to bring this back up here again because he did talk about how within our classroom a lot of that tier one um instruction is happening. Um so whether we check the service box or we don't check the service box of course we want to check it. Um but a lot of good teaching is happening um within our classrooms. So a lot of differentiation is happening and teachers can do that. Teachers are doing that um who have not received this gifted PD. So we are just hoping to be able to um provide some more gifted PD so that we can say we are servicing um the kids but it doesn't mean that good teaching isn't happening and we aren't meeting the

044needs of the kids within the classroom. >> Does does the evaluation process differ for student for teachers that fall under these programs? >> One of the major focuses on the evaluation process is using data which is where you get learners. >> So in order to become truly accomplished, you have to differentiate naturally use that data to drive your instruction. So >> it's not specific to gifted, it's it's specific to all. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it does the the topic of differentiation comes up in several categories on um the OTZ rubric. Um so it's not just one single thing um but it does come up in several categories and um in the professionalism category. Um being able to be involved within district initiatives and all of that um is a big part of that professionalism on

045that river as well. So when we do have teachers that are involved in these things, it does show up in several places on that river. So it doesn't come out and say gifted necessarily anything like that, but um it definitely fits into several spots. >> I would say the other speak a lot to academics how we reach academics but the the social emotional needs of our gifted learners productive struggle these are people who go through very easy um typically have an easy time when you give them those assignments where they struggle or there isn't like like a specific answer um working through and giving them the skills to understand and to reflect is a key component to to that and that's that's just as important working with those strategies with teachers because that's that's a

046challenge for them too I think at times is is how to work with students who who haven't struggled before are struggling for the first time have never experienced that failure and what that means and and how to lift them up with it. So I think that's another part of the of of the gift of professional development that is critical but again it's for all learners and not just for >> and even when a student does start to reach that productive struggle um not as as their teacher allowing them to step away and give up on it and go a different route. So, kind of how do you help them as their educator to kind of struggle through those things and not change course and do something that um might be different or that they feel

047comfortable with. Um so, that's an important piece of it too. Um, and I at Lemouth this past year, um, the two honors teachers over there have been building, um, a program that they do during their advisory time that does look at those social and emotional needs of gifted students. Um, how what do we do when we come to something that's not easy? Um, and they do start to take a look. They have the students reflecting and taking a look on themselves as a learner and um and it has been it's been going really well. So they're building something really good over there. >> Sorry, another question. >> Oh no, no, you're done. >> I'll pay 10 bucks for >> students that are gifted and I I say this from experience. I was not a gifted

048student, but my all my daughters are so far. And I get the impression that they feel like if they are close to getting a B that they're almost not gifted anymore when in reality once you're identified gifted, it's not something you lose necessarily. Uh so when you say social needs, I'm curious if you could elaborate on that. How do you tackle something like that and and make a student not feel like getting a B doesn't mean you lose your gift of status? >> Right? And that is a lot that they have been dealing with um at Lamouth because I think when we start to get into sixth and seventh grade, not that you don't have it at the elementary level, but they start to become a little more in tune with who they are as

049a learner. And um so some of the comments that they have made to me this year is you know sharing, oh, so that's why I feel that way when this and this happens. Like just learning about themselves more as gifted learners. Like what does this mean when I come to something that's not easy for me? Um, and it's not going to come quickly and I have to um give a little bit more to what to what is going on. So I think it's really important. I just want to make sure I understand when we again talk about the teaching, right? We might have teachers teaching the same way, but because they don't have that gift. So when it comes to our report card, we can't test the box, right? But although we >> That's right.

050>> Yes. >> Yeah. So that's important. That's an important piece to remember. >> Um and we're hoping that by embedding this into our PD, our teachers will have that, you know, gifted PD. Um so we will be able Those kids are served, but it's not, you know, it's not like those students are not getting that quality instruction. Well, I think it's just important too because I know um you know the report card is a is an indicator for us and I think there's some gaps or holes in how the report card how the grade comes back to. So I think it's important to understand we are teaching the same but because somebody doesn't have that designation right now it might not reflect it in that report card. Any other questions? >> Okay, >> I'm all

051good. >> Well, you know where to find me if something else happens. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> That concludes uh special reports for tonight. >> That brings us to unfinished business. If I recall correctly, we did not have any unfinished business for tonight. Is that correct? So I'm asking for one second. That is correct. So the only thing we have um is new business tonight. And really that's just I think some discussion around two policies. I didn't know I I included policies um one under dress code and the other one under attendance. So I um I included policies and also some information especially around attendance and what is required and I didn't know if there was any specific discussion I think Mr. Dino you brought up the topic but then might

052be something we send to the policy committee we think we want this that um a little bit further >> yes I I don't have pointed questions specific for this group I think that's a discussion that I would prefer Dr. Martino to have with his administration obviously you saw my notes in the email so you're welcome to elaborate on what you'd like to today or you think this would be policy is okay. >> Um, we can do both. We do have a dress code policy that's in there and it's pretty generous for the plate. I think we can look at that and tighten some things up to that to that aspect. I do I do think as the weather gets warmer sometimes we have to send out reminders um for dress code along the way as

053well. And I think we're working through that. Um I also think that anything as you move through any of it um getting having um student staff and you know feedback into those kind of as to their thoughts about it instead of what we're doing to them but what we're doing with them is a good thing. So my recommendation would be to work with um the entire the entire district former perhaps I'd probably go secondary and primary to form some dress code with some committees to talk about it a little bit more and to see kind of what they want. even as a as a parent of a of a daughter sometimes and typically we talk about dress code we we speak about our our young females especially um a lot of them obviously with our

054males it's our it's usually t-shirts or hats and slo but it is what it is a lot of times with our females um that are there and I think having some of those discussions as to what's available to stores what they can buy what they can't um all of that it gets there and and so that it feels that they can feel comfortable not ashamed. All of that goes with it. We absolutely have to do it. Um but I would encourage um us to put it back to our schools to get some of that student feedback into it as well because I think they have they have a lot to say and I think we've we've seen that in the strategic plan. >> Yeah. And thank you for that. And I I'm sure they have

055a lot to say. My guess would be that they don't want to say the unpopular or maybe Let me take that back. They don't want to say the uncool thing in a group setting. So, I hope the feedback is collected somewhat privately and I'll elaborate as to what I mean. If I maybe I'm not comfortable wearing a certain shirt, but I'm more uncomfortable being made fun of for not wearing a certain shirt. So, I would prefer to push back on my parents to wear shirt X, even though I might not like shirt X, because I don't want to be made fun of for not wearing shirt X. So, I I think that I'm not saying that we need to change the policy per se. I read I read the policy. I feel like the policy

056is adequate. I think where the gaps are is in the enforcement of that policy. But having been a student myself, obviously not a girl. I do think that at the end of the day, students would prefer to have a policy that doesn't show economic disparities, uh, parental disparities and what you're allowed and not allowed to wear to school. And I think if there's just a way for us to I'm not saying go to 1952, but to just follow a policy that's in hand and provide the students with a structure. >> Yeah. To provide the students with a structure that I think They're not willing to say out loud that they would prefer. >> I I I guess if you'd elaborate more what a committee would look like in some of the questions, hey, what do

057you feel like wearing to school? It's do you understand that school is an academic environment and there are different kind of expectations when you go out to an academic environment? What are those what might those look like that are different than going to the beach or going to other and have some of those conversations as to why might this be considered? So to have those conversations with students, get their their feedback on I can or and that I think that's a big that's a different way of handling than just hey you know we're having troubles with midrift shirts what do you think well I think they're great it's not necessarily it's it's not to that it's this is why this is an expectation we are preparing you for the workforce in the workforce we typically

058don't ask people to show their bellies um in that >> but they do >> they might and that's a you know and so part of that is also the idea that there are when you are certain places there there are certain rules of decorum um that you have to that you have to abide by and I think that's that's something we can definitely work with our our our staff our students at least that they feel that they feel heard to some to some extent and to you know what is you know what their thoughts are I think they would surprise you sometimes what they think as well >> is it possible to get um from the administration that's here a little bit longer um main building principles what um like do they see any concerns

059um or from the teaching staff too that need to be addressed because I feel especially the older the students get the more they push the needle on what's acceptable and what isn't. Um and you know there's all kinds of clothes out there but it's what you can wear to school and what you might wear socially um outside of school. >> I I I would agree. I think dress code is always one of those and Dr. tops and I've had some of these talks and we've been doing this a little bit longer for some. Um, it's always been an issue and it and it always kind of does come up and I think one of the issues is it's needs to have universal enforcement and that is that is sometimes a challenge especially for some of

060our younger male teachers. Um, they don't sometimes feel comfortable addressing some of the females who are not wearing things that are appropriate for school um in that way. So, it's also teaching them um the phrases to use and empowering them with with with a toolbox of how to make those corrections along the way. And I think that's a that's a problem as well because our staff addresses those dress code violations. They they they address them, especially our administrative staff, they know how to do it. But when you're addressing a a dress code violation at the end of the day, um you know, and that's just I've worn it all day. Well, okay, but I didn't see you till now. That's that's a problem as well. So I think it is some of that universal enforcement

061um and that goes with for any policy to be successful that we have to have universal buy in across the board from those who those who have understand the students that the teachers who have to are really the first line of enforcement of any of that. Um and then our parents as well because our parents sometimes they see their students when they leave in the morning sometimes they don't depending um but at least they know what they're they're purchasing for their students. Um, and so all of it, if it's a universal, it's not just if we put it just on one group like the administrators and say go fix this, that's all they will do and they won't do the rest of it. So it has to be universal on all, but it has to

062be kind of something we can all agree on. There are those situations though because I, you know, remember hearing a lot from high school principles in particular, um, that kids wear layers and the way they leave the house and the way they end up at school are two different things from parents. >> That might have happened in Westg. It does not happen here. >> Yeah, right. >> No, I'm just >> It was like, wow. Yeah. It's like go in your locker, get the shirt you came with. I mean, because that principal would stand at the door and knew. Well, and that's and those things don't change and that's that's a universal wherever that you know, hey, I got to do, you know, I'll try a new one and and all of those things happen. But

063again, >> if everyone has the same standards and the same understanding and the same type of language and all of that, >> it makes it a whole lot easier. And I think that's what we need to get to. >> I love the idea of bringing um the staff in to talk about it and how can we address it because I agree. I think it does take the whole team to to make that change. So, attendance. I don't know if there was anything specific there. I mean, I think um some of the challenges are is that I can tell you I know last year I had asked Dr. because my son had a study hall at the end of the day and unfortunately I was not able to pick I couldn't sign the permission so that

064he does not go to study hall every day because I couldn't do it every day. So I had call him out on certain days when I was able to come down and get him and he was more an excuse for those days because I didn't send that permission slip. So we talked about things like that. So, there's just some loopholes in the attendance that make it very challenging. Um, you know, there are students that cheer and they go to Florida for cheer competition. Um, I know somebody who's going to a wrestling tournament this weekend. Um, they left today, right? So, they will miss tomorrow. Things like that um that make it really hard with the attendance. >> Yeah. My my point of bringing up attendance wasn't that I have firsthand knowledge that there's an attendance

065issue. I'm not implying that there is in my day job when I go to a building and there's a dress code problem. Sure enough, there's an attendance problem. I've never not seen them go hand in hand. Um I haven't seen them go hand in hand when I ran a marching band. If I came into a school and there was an attendance issue, it was they just it's just a broken system that the two of them tend to follow one another. So, I was just bringing it up in the sense that if we're going to, when I say we, your administration is going to address or revisit dress code, perhaps it would be a good time to look at both of them collectively, not me, you guys, to to make sure that the enforcement is predictable

066for the students because it I I know I'm I'm I'm preaching to the choir here, but all three groups, the students that are late, the students that are on time, and the teachers suffer from the students that are late because now teachers on the hook for test scores and graduation percentages and now they're trying to slow down and catch the student up who has who's habitually late or habitually absent and then that's a disadvantage to the students who are here when the bell rings. So I just thought it'd be worth maybe us revisiting collectively. >> I think Dr. when I was we were prepping for the meeting um Monday I guess it was >> um and we were talking about building new business topics um we also talked about like cell phone and that's a

067really touchy one right now right like I know that we had a couple students actually email us from the government class they were um finding a topic that they want to talk about cell phones were was one of those topics right but again reminding students not to have them out in the classroom reminding teachers we have to enforce that so there's a couple topics like that like to encourage um the Great behavior there. >> Attendance, open campus, and school start time or other >> they were. Yes. >> Yes. >> It was fun getting the emails from the students. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Any I think that was the um only other topic for new business. Correct. >> All right. So that brings us to our board of education committee and liaison report.

068So first is buildings and grounds operations committee and the planes on Mrs. Gross. >> Okay. So, we had a buildings and grounds meeting on Tuesday morning. Uh the things that we talked about uh first of off we talked about the HVAC in the CTX unit in the CTX building and that those units are not working uh properly. However, we've had some new thermostats installed and that seems to have the problem fixed. We also have some issues with heating at Midge and Buckeye and that we hope to have those things corrected by fall because wants heat in their classrooms right now. That would not be a good idea over especially on average. Um we talked about the asphalt at the CTX in Riverview which is being replaced by Cleveland Construction that is going to be happening

069that happened last weekend. Um so some repairs were done, new sections and the new drive at the CTX garage is now completed. Um we have completed the four inspections that were required by Senate Bill 112. So, all of that is now complete. We only had a few corrections. Everything was working properly and the only kinds of corrections we had were to door speed closures. So, um that's not as big of an issue. However, everything is in excellent order and this inspection needs to be done every single year and there is a cost to that on an annual basis approximately 3,000 if I'm not mistaken from one. Um we are trying to prepare our elementary schools for field day which is always a big event at the elementary schools. Um one of our favorite days when

070my kids were young so mother nature has not been cooperative. >> You had yours today. I saw I think I saw >> Riverview is up. >> Knock on wood, right? >> Great day. >> Um, so that's going on. Uh, we're trying to prep our our property for graduation so that we can have a great ceremony on next Thursday. We're ramping up for summer work. So, we've had some good recruitment for staff who are going to assist with the summer work, the summer staff. We didn't used to have our staff who used to do this, but now that we do, we've found that we have been able to do a lot more work to our buildings each year and have better quality work. We've got some seal coating and line striping growing going on this summer.

071The sewer and grease trap cleaning, concrete work um at the CtX building on the fieldhouse floor is set to be refurbished the second week of August, which we know is going to cause some inconvenience to our volleyball team, but they've been we've been assured that they're going to work around that. So, um >> first time we've ever done it. >> Yeah. But that and that the timing of that is simply because that's when the vendor can do the work and so we don't really have a choice. So, we're we're going to have that done at that time. Uh let's see. We talked about the vans and maintenance vehicles and the schedule for replacement of those vehicles. We have a need for some additional vehicles. The larger truck to tow some of our trailers um which

072you know the van trailer and the the athletic trailer get very heavy and we don't have a sizable vehicle big enough to actually accommodate that. So we are considering that although we haven't made a decision yet. We talked about bus under coding for 2026 and still is that still on the agenda? >> It's still on the agenda. >> It's not agenda. It was it was approved. There's a >> we talked about it's 18 18 buses this year. >> Mr. had recommended 18 when I talked to you last. I did not bring up my last conversation >> and we thought we would get some more information seeing as how we are one of only two districts in like all of Northeast Ohio that are still bus under coding. Um it brought up a conversation about why

073why we in particular feel like we need to do some bus under coding and it has to do with our non-paved lots that those buses sit on. And then we had a lengthier conversation about actually thinking about well then why don't we talk about paving um the areas that we need to and while it's expensive then we morphed into a conversation about fiveyear forecasting out the PI fund and talking about prioritizing some of the expenditures that we do out of the access and remaining funds that we have. So that conversation is going to be ongoing in future meetings. Um, we talked about perhaps having a GMP for the Buckeye project by next Friday and that we may need to have a potential meeting. >> So, I I have an update on that. It's actually in

074my update, but >> I won't steal your >> Well, we can talk about it now. >> Um, we will have a GMP and it will be updated and everyone is everyone available Friday at 7:30 for a quick meeting to approve it. >> It is 29th. >> The 29th. >> Love your birthday. >> Happy birthday. We'll sing. We'll bring you a cupcake. >> That's okay. It's okay. >> What are you doing? I have one day off. >> Dr. Thompson has a beautiful >> No, I'm fine. I'm fine with it. I'm just kidding. It's not seven, right, Jimmy? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No, it's 7:30. >> 7:30 is fine. >> Will Will it work? We can make it easy. >> 7:30 is good >> for me. >> It's 5 minutes. >> Yes, it's 5. >> Good. >>

075Okay. >> Good. All right. We will get it scheduled. We will have everything ready to go and all. >> All right. Well, then that is that. will have that next Friday morning, 7:30, day after graduation. Uh Thomas Fence is planning to move forward at Riverview to fix and complete the work they need to have done there. We have some information on roof connect and a mutual release that is on our agenda today so that we will be releasing each other from any liability in any and all matters. Does that help cover DM? >> Um and that's on our agenda and we have the approval of a facility plan and we were provided with a facility plan that has the corrections in it to some extent. So that was what we talked about in our buildings

076and grounds meeting. It was very productive and the the floor at Lmouth is good because I was just there the other day. I was so impressed with the way the gym looked and the floor looks great. It's not a tile floor. It's what do you call it? >> It's like a polymer floor. It it looks really good. Have you seen it? >> That's all I have for buildings and grounds. Uh the strategic plan I had a conversation with Dr. Ratino to get a quick update on that. We have we are complete with our focus groups. We are complete with our surveys. The surveys had approximately 500 responses. We had about 147 staff who completed those and 536 community members who completed um the the surveys and in the or in the focus groups 147 people

077in the focus groups 536 people in the surveys. So just to clarify um we we had a conversation at one of our meetings and I think it was buildings and grounds and I don't know how that conversation came up or maybe it was curriculum. However, we talked about perhaps having our elected officials be a part of a focus group in and of themselves. Um, as you can imagine, that didn't work out as well as we had anticipated or discussed. Um, just because these folks are busy and trying to get them together to to collaborate was somewhat of an effort. Um, but they they have responded individually by impact group >> and so at least one person from each township in Grand and is is also participating in that. So >> I believe the county commissioner

078>> correct. So we will move forward with that. Um out of the focus groups we had 22 focus groups and the focus groups included certified classified community members, students and administrators. The students were principal selected. Um the certified staff was both selected and volunteering. Um, and some of the some of the topics that are coming out of the strategic plan focus groups include new facilities, gifted offerings, class size, screen time, and diversity of offerings and mental health. So, that's the extent of my update on the strategic plan and I would imagine we'll hear more in I think we want to have a work session. >> We do. The impact group would like to come out and present all of their findings once they have all these interviews. I did put a doodle out and it

079was a big flop. So, >> what did you >> It was in the It was in the Friday pack. >> Oh, it was hidden. >> Sorry. >> Blue. So, I I did work with the impact. Um and I think part of it might have been the timing because Doodles only allows you certain amount of times. Um I had June 15th, June 18th, the 20 the 29th, 30th and 1st. And July and July 1 were the dates that I put down and I had five o'clock time and that six o'clock time. Um, you know, some of you put five, some of you put six, but nobody put both. Like, it was kind of one of the other option would be to do an hour prior to our June board meeting so we can start at five

080instead of six and that is 23rd. >> If that would work better for everybody, if we have that blocked out, I'll just schedule her make sure she can do it then. I think she can. >> Is an hour enough time for her to do? >> Yeah, that's about what she had said. >> It's fine. Anyway, >> we are also are we also doing executive session this evening forations all day? >> Yeah, just bring food. >> Okay. So, I will change that. I will add a five o'clock the 23rd time. >> Anything else? That's all I have. Thank you. That brings us to curriculum and programming committee booster organization leaison. >> Well, I already hit my word count for the day and that group did not meet this past month, so nothing for me. >> All

081right. Thank you. >> I have a question though. >> No. >> Oh, okay. >> All right. That brings us to policy committee and legislative liaison. >> Okay. All right. Um I want to thank Dan for doing some revisions on the um public participation bad meetings. Um, and I went to print and the red didn't turn out. So, it was kind of interesting. Uh, but, um, anyway, so everybody got a chance to look at that. It's the first read. Um, the only thing I wanted to bring up, so we didn't have you like, in other words, this is the first read. Are there any other changes now that you've read it? because I I saw some some inconsistencies in terms of it talking about consensus of the board um which would mean three or more, right?

082But then it also talked about um the president or the agreement of two board members to allow extended time. So, you know, we typically do consensus, but if it's going to be two board members, can it be one board member? Should we keep it a consensus? That's all I'm bringing to the table to consider so that we're consistent. >> And I would say consensus instead of looking at it as a majority, I would say look at it as sort of a general feeling among all of the board members present. >> Okay? >> So, I wouldn't say it's unanimous. just sort of the general feeling among the five of you. >> So should we be spelling out the agreement of two members to extend the duration or the discretion of the board present? Was it either

083or? Is it one or then it could be two? I I just want it clear. >> I was reading it as if if the president said no, then it would take two board members to over >> to override. You're looking at an override. Okay. >> And I just want to make sure everybody agrees with the word consensus and what it means. I mean typically when you do a board policy it's pretty clear is it a majority is it this person is it you know in the one case it said two so for the extending of the time limit it was meant to be an eitheror situation the board president would have the right to extend it just as board president or if two other board members they wanted it extended when the board president did

084not choose to do so. >> Okay. >> So, it was sort of a the two board member option was a safety net for the rest of the board if they felt that the board president should have extended it and didn't. >> Okay. >> I was just curious about why too, you know, and not consensus. I guess I just want it to be clear when you're you're writing a policy. >> Sure. >> I I think to me the in exceptional circumstances the line forward is really important because it's exceptional circumstances provided there's a consensus this may be extended only due to unavoidable circumstances. Again it's it's the idea that you know it's there there's it's not just because wow this person's done a roll. It's something happened that caused them >> power went out the out.

085Um those sorts of things. Well, and if someone exceeded but they were in the middle of reading something which we've experienced, do you let them finish and and you're saying no because we haven't done that before or or with this policy are we going to consider >> argue for a long time and a person stops and you're arguing I know I just as policy chair I just want to make sure we all understand and we're on the same page. And I don't know Dan if you wanted to say anything else about that. >> So the reference to consensus where >> uh to secretary >> the reference to consensus is on page two at the bottom. Providing there is consensus among the board members, the board may see how it's all over. >> What numbered paragraph

086is, >> you know, I'm just hoping that we don't continue to say, well, if somebody decides to go over three minutes, every time somebody decides to go over three minutes and they have prepared statements and they're reading something, we're going to allow them to finish. Because I I get it. Um, you know, any anywhere else you go and you're going to speak, if you go down to the you wouldn't time limit. They're cutting you off. So, so they know if it's three minutes, then prepare your statement, practice it, and make sure it's three minutes. >> Yeah. And I agree because you're now you're going to be perceived as favoritism. I'm letting these two people, but not these three people. >> Yeah. you know, like people people who want to come and have public participation should

087know that these are the rules and I've got three minutes and prepare it and I've got to say what I need to say and make my smart points in my three minutes, you know, and if they take up the first half of their presentation with I'm so and so and I have three kids and you know, all these things that are extraneous, then they're taking up their time. I don't know. I I don't want to sound like I'm >> No, I do agree with you on that. With the exception of the things that we require them to say, I don't think the start button should be >> until until they >> until they address >> here's my name and here's where I'm from. >> So, okay. I mean maybe the better approach would be not

088to make any reference to consensus and instead just focus on the the the true basis of the exception which is the exceptional circumstance something that's truly unavoidable. You know the power goes out and there's some issue or you know there's a commotion in the audience and that causes somebody to to not be able to their comments. I think that might be a better way to go because then it's just one standard. You're all in charge of making sure it's being followed and we don't have to figure out if we have one, two, more board members agreeing. That might be a better way to approach it. So, >> and and people are always going to want to know what exceptional circumstance is. So, i.e., you know, lost power or I don't know if we need to

089give an example a situation out of our control. I don't know. >> Yeah, I mean we could certainly list some examples there, but I feel like um you know the unavoidable circumstance language is direct language. I mean it's something that couldn't have been avoided. Okay. >> Um, so maybe we can just drop that in which case the sentence would um the sentence would start with this time may be extended but only due to unavoidable circumstances period and we just have to be in the habit of enforcing that. The alternative to that is to go back to the one point we had talked about which is there are no exceptions and we're just going to give everybody three minutes starting the clock at the right time and that's that. And then if somebody experiences a you

090know an unavoidable situation that impacts their time then um you know we can allow them to speak at the next meeting. Yeah, that's where we could make the exception, but it isn't saying, "Well, this person, we're in the middle of saying something, so we're going to let them finish, but then somebody else isn't allowed." I I don't that I know that's not where we want to go. Um, but I'm still So, that that's pretty clear. But does that necessitate a rewrite >> if we're getting rid of consensus? >> I'm sorry. if we're getting rid of the word consensus. >> Yeah. So, we would just >> first >> Yeah, we would just >> It's summer time. >> Okay. And since we're doing that, um, going back to the initial thing I brought up about two members.

091It's the president or two members. I guess I'm just curious how that came about and why that changed. So that that was replaced the president or two members with the consensus of the board which we're dropping. >> Okay. >> And we're going to keep just the unavoidable circumstances. >> So there won't be the two member thing. >> No, no, that that was replaced by the language that were >> partially deleted. >> So is everybody okay with that? >> So this will be the last time we'll do it. >> That's what we think. Yeah, we'll do a third street. >> Okay. The first policy was written 42 years ago. We're passed 42 years from now. >> All right. >> So, we will pull that off the agenda. >> All right. And then what about the other

092one that is set to be approved tonight that >> I haven't heard anything about it. That's the second reading the vote and that's a standard one. >> It was standard. It was that the food service one? It's been so long ago. >> All right. So, but we're voting on that tonight. Correct. >> All right. So, we should be good with that. >> All right. And um and let's see. There really hasn't been anything new I've heard legislatively. We're just all standing by to see what >> the next change happens. We'll keep you posted. >> That brings us to the superintendent business advisory leazison. Um we did not have a meeting yet. Our meeting is Tuesday and I believe uh Dr. will be some updates on some of the activities that came out of the business

093advisory um council. So, I will let him give those in his report. And that brings us now to the superintendent's report. >> All right. Um well, thank you very much. I think that some of my thunder got stolen a little bit >> in where we were because a little bit of Buckeye update. Uh we already mentioned this. The GMP is scheduled to be complete by complete by May 26. So we'll have the number. It is tracking to be on budget and the building is tracking to be done by the start of the 27 28th school year. Um so we did schedule a brief special meeting to approve that GMP on the 29th because it's time to get the agenda out um within the allotted time for that. >> Okay. And the additional money that we're

094approving tonight, is that related? Is this >> Yes, that was the additional design piece because the design fees are correlated to that >> because Disney approved some of their costs before. >> Um >> I thought >> I the mention was on there a lot but the vote never happened. So it was on two or three part. >> Okay. >> Um working with TDA talking about you know what is the revisioning of the campus. So I call the campus 2.0. I thought that was kind of a flashy name for it. um TDA kind of worked with some renderings to work through as to what this revision campus might look like. Um along the way, again, the original campus and building part is I'll keep it up because I'm really excited about this is right here. We

095talked about what that looks like. Some of these design things, although they look fancy now with with the two stories and driving under, I don't believe that will be the case, but we will work with TDA to kind of go through um really ask them what, you know, hey, what does this look like and what does this include? Because that's what we get a lot. um in here. This would be the idea of this is our current auditorium. I took some pictures of their auditorium. This is what it might look like renovated um through and kind of just going through and giving the big facelift. Um so they have the money that's in there. This is the idea of what a modern day what a modern media center looks like. There are books um they

096didn't quite show some of the books there are. We're not taking all the books out of the library, but it is really a focus on a collaborative space, collaborative small group rooms as well. And then one of the big things that is always a highlight to any type of new product is student dining. What new student dining might look like along the way and again these are just envisionings of what the what the artist did. This would be part of the addition um towards the back half and part of the new park that we building on. They would take current student dining because it's located next to the auditorium, turn it into a band room. Um the goal is kind the the thought right now is to turn into the band room because we are

097losing the band room. All of your music, all of your music will be right next to the auditorium to kind of feed into it as well. It allows some of those rooms to have multi multiple spaces going in and out of the auditorium towards the back of the stage. Um, so that's something we're really excited about looking at. I know there's a lot of questions that that we've had in talking to community. Well, we did this in 20 uh 23 when we recosted it. What's the difference? These projects are very different in in where they are. Um, and some of the costs that that are there. Dr. Thompson. I'm going to have him kind of play off with some of this because we really talked through a lot of it. First and foremost, our revision

098campus 2.0 is to serve 7 through 12 and not 6 through 12. Really making that intermediate school at at a 56 building and give us more flexibility. 7 through 12 makes a whole lot of sense from a programmatic standpoint um because of where students seem to be uh the length of the day. It really is an efficiency standpoint as well. We're taking um those grades and kind of putting them in one spot. Um makes it really a a sweet spot that's there. When you look at the base square footage, there's a significant um reduction in square footage. We kind of went off of working with TDA. Ours is more to the OFCC guidelines. We're taking some of those bigger spaces and refining it, but we're making it for what we predict to be our our

099enrollment at that time, and it's about 1,700 students for that. That's an average class size of 275, which is where we're seeing in the elementary schools. The other thing to think about in a high school now, modern day high schools, of our students in 11th through 12th grade, we don't have 300 students. Even though there's a class of 300 students, we don't have 300 11th and 12th graders every single period, every single day. So 600 total students. Those students, we haveund and some um usually if not more at Auburn for half the day and they they flip-flop. So 100 they leave. We have students who participate in CCP offsite, so college credit plus, they go to Lakeland, they go to Lake Erie, they go to other places like that. We have students who participate in

100remote learning classes. Um, some of our field experiences are off-site are our our things. So, as students get older, their time on campus reduces to some extent. So, they're not here full-time all the way. So, counting them as a full-time student looks a little bit different. Um, looking at the additional square footage for things um like maker space, we already put that in, so we don't need to add that in the process. That's in our CTX building. We have a great maker space that's in there. Um, kinesthetic lab. Um, middle school dining. We we envision one dining that's shared between 7 through 12 in different times. We do it through scheduling and lunchrooms and lunch times instead of having two different dining sets. Um looking at the board office and and all that we you

101know we're not we don't need a huge new board office. We've talked with about keeping the media center and this but that mark shows it teared down keeping the media center and the John R cafeteria and spending some money to revision that into a learning space and a collaborative learning space for the cafeteria. It's a great space that's built and then make that media center current media center into a standalone board office which is separate from the building yet we're still on the same campus but we're separate and kind of apart um from that. So they're working on some renderings that that incorporate that as well. Um we're looking at you know the performing arts center the renovation of the performing arts center is in there that is significantly more cost effective than putting in

102a new one. It is a we're using the standard performing arts center that's built and not necessarily um a new one which had a 1,200 seat performing arts center. We're keeping it about I think the current one has about 800 seats and we're going to keep that and that works for for us currently as we are and as we are again our enrollment is reducing um and and it's shrinking. So we kind of have that that's a good size for us. It makes it feel full when we have some of those concerts that are there. Um and it does work. The other part of that is we are keeping the fieldhouse as a competition gym and making some upgrades to that including putting some uh climate control in that. So to have a 1,200 student

103or 1200 person we could do it on that fieldhouse space instead of the performance if we want to do something with you know a large community forum or something that aspect not it wouldn't be a play that the the proposed building also had a blackbox theater kind that was kind of separate to it. Um, our thought is if we wanted to start offering those programs and that type of thing, we could look at what other schools, local schools do, Manner does a Blackbox theater and they do a Blackbox show. They actually build it on their stage. So, for those who don't know what Blackbox Theater is, I only know this because my daughter does them. Um, Blackbox is a small theater within and it's kind of every the seating is on the floor and you're

104kind of close and intimate. How Menor does it is they do it with they build the blackbox stage on they build the theater with walls up on the stage and then they bring in bleachers. We have these movable bleachers we can bring in sit them on either end. You can kind of watch the show that way. So there are ways to do the blackbox experience and to have that blackbox theater experience within what we have. And I think that's one way to really take a look at that and offer um offer our theaters to something if if our drama department wants to go that way. Um they haven't necessarily said that they wanted to add a third show, but if they did, it would be an option for them them to do it. Um in

105terms of the ball fields and relocation of ball fields, the way that they had this built, the only field we'd have to relocate is actually the the current band field, which is right out there. Um because that's where we're going with it. So we'd have to move that. We'd have to put some grass up. Ideally, this would we would find people to partner with and we're working to find our local townships and have some meetings to partner with to get a second turf field. Um, our community needs that. Our turf field is used all the time. So to try to get a second just a second turf field that we've used for lacrosse, football, soccer, all of all of those kind of sports. I would love to put a turf baseball and softball field in,

106but actually that area is much larger than a true than putting in a 100 yard square turf field. So if we could get the funds to do that, we would look to do that. But if we can't, that would be like that would be a local initiative that we'd run through some sort of through our youth sports as well to try to get them as part of this project as a building to say, "Hey, now's the best time to do it." And we so we've had started to have some of those conversations as well. Um Dr. Thompson and I have been talking a lot. Maybe we can take our show on the road. Um so the other one is looking at um abatement and demolition. Yes, we have to abate. Um we we have a

107little bit of asbestous in this building we have to take care of and we do have to do some demolition. The demolition though because we're renovating this high school um the demolition is here. We still have to abate it and there's a lot that that goes with the abatement but that budget is down because the demolition is only um the John R part of it. Um and I believe that Rich will do it himself. He said because he's really excited about that happening. So he's you know he's got a great set of tools. Um so and then finally really looking at the one of the largest difference and and building and all that and construction is all about square foot and the square footprint is is much smaller of the new of campus 2.0 than

108than the original cost and it and it does make a difference in ultimate cost and what we're what we're saying. One things to note is that we are not just saying that it's 60 million or $120 million in you know today's costs. Um this this includes a 5% inflation per year as part of the phasing when you build on and renovate. We know it's going to take longer in time and it's a phase out process. Um our our borrowing strategy also matches that as well. So we our plan is to borrow and to do 160 million borrowing at first to do the new part and then a second 60 million borrowing at the second part. Um the auditorium upgrades includes new seating uh replace the stage and wood flooring, acoustical treatment, new paint, new ceilings,

109carpet, house lighting, lighting system. We may not need to do this because we've just replaced the lighting systems. we work with our drama team say what do we need to do and what don't we but that could be some savings along the way because I know they just put lights in. Um I think it was two years ago they just redid those and they have that huge screen in there too. So we would keep some of that in our upgrades. Um and the the 26 plan is aligned with the OFCC recommendations for this. So, we're really kind of building it to the size that we expect and those that's based on our enrollment and not based on the OFCC enrollment guidelines because overall um but it's really based on the trend that we're seeing in

110our in our enrollment kind of as we're going. We are like I said we are declining um we are just not declining as fast as the UFC predicted. We're about three years behind those predictions um from that. So that's that's kind of where we're at with that and we're really excited to kind as that continues to grow and build out. Um yeah, >> we're getting a little glare right where it says square footage and overall cost. Did you see that the black? >> Yeah. So the overall cost of in 2023, that was the year after the actual the bond issue was up and failed. They went to re recost it. If they were to recost it to put it back on the ballot, that overall cost was 163 million uh 163 and change.8 Um, this

111one is 120,141466. TDA did say that they're seeing a lot of stability in construction projects now along the way with this and this is matching up with some of the real world construction projects they're having with the 5% again 5% inflation and and there's a um they're finishing calculations but 5 to 10% contingency and and and we did take the current second graders through seventh graders which would be approxime approximately the students we would project would be in 7 through 12. Uh when you uh so assuming that uh as many kids leave as many kids come uh that puts us at about 1648 um and we are declining enrollment. That also includes a bubble class from COVID of about 300. one class that the current fifth grade who started the year after co if they

112could hold them back that is about 350 the other classes we're seeing are all under 300 we haven't seen a class we have one one class I believe it's third or fourth grade but our current kindergartens are 250 our current kinderg's 260 this kindergarten's tracking we are at that same that same kind of 250 260 I would guess we're going to settle about 275 is really my guess I think that's a Um obviously we know we are going to have u construction developments that are that are moving in. Um we are seeing some people who are buying those homes. Uh those people who are buying those homes though they're not having as many children in those homes are also as we were told in the presentation they they are targeting uh the 55 and up

113crowd. as they move from one house to another absent that opens that up um another house up for families with kids but we're not seeing um a large influx like we did when we had the Heisen Park development um and and all that we had them all all at once. So I think that's a that's a fair number to kind of say that we're at also in flexibility. That's the one thing that we've always been you know having Luth as a 56 building gives us flexibility in those in those gender rates to kind of move on working with this as we to get those monies from if casement comes as those tiff monies come in there will be more monies down the road um to look at additional um renovations of what we would need

114for it. So it's not just a one size hey this is it and we're done. We're going to make it so that it is expandable so we can move on as well. And that's really the whole point in all this and the design does call for an end of way to maximize basically value engineering additional more classrooms available even though you're building less classrooms. Meaning typically you see about 20% of your rooms empty at any any given period because of a teacher's off for that period. It's their work period whatever. So in our design, there'll be uh spaces where our teachers will have their own personal space but in a collaborative area. Um it's an adjustment for teachers because they may not somebody they may not have the same classroom every period or someone might

115be using their classroom when they're off. Uh but it works and it allows you to accommodate significantly more students even though you have less square footage in your building. So, you know, obviously we were asked uh by the community, I think pretty directly that we're going to reject $163 million. So, we're trying to be responsive to what we're we heard. Uh we also heard that we want a lot a fair number of people want to see the re building remain. So, uh we were pleasantly surprised. I I will readily admit I said you couldn't do it for that dollar amount. I'm wrong. Um you can on the renovation. So it made what I would have perceived to be not really a feasible option is feasible and it puts us in a u building number that

116um is a competitive as we could possibly make it. >> I I I think the other thing in terms of the teachers love to work and putting them in these one of the in buildings I've worked in before, one of the unintended consequences of these kind of centralized office spaces is true teacher collaboration because they're they're working in their work times together and they have those conversations. The work the workspaces have whiteboards and they have screens where they can go ahead and plug in and kind of work together and collaborate and truly collaborate um naturally and authentically because it's provided for them. simple time and it's it's a lot easier than hey at such and such such I'll all meet up in in somebody's room and then well something else happens. So these times are

117kind of common to that. Um students can also go and meet there um and kind of do some you know get some individual help as well and assistance as well. It's a shift and it's a change. Um but it it is very effective and it does work. So that is campus 2.0 and we are excited to kind of continue to build some of those out and look at what the possibilities for that are. Now, some of the really fun stuff in May and really cool stuff that we do probably I I got to say I really appreciate this more in January when I'm driving around in the early mornings to see this, but this is an awesome time to do on May 1st. Our students spent the day uh painting the Payneesville Township plows. This

118is the uh was this the 20th year? Um it it was a significant year that we did it. Um you'll see the plows painted, you know, in the parades and festivals. They love to show them off, but you also see them driving down the road moving snow. And it is really cool to see um Clifford the big red dog throwing snow off of it. And that was one of the plow designs they had. Um and actually when they come up with the designs, they pitch them to the maintenance workers. The maintenance workers pick the design they want for their plow and then they go ahead and put them on the plows. So there's so they this has been tweaked and this project's been tweaked every year and it gets better and better and we just

119love seeing it. The Panel Township goes every year and they sand blast the plows. they get them clean and then our our students go and develop them and they've even started to have the ones, you know, for the different types of plows. So, it really is a neat opportunity for them. Um, CTX open house on May 4th, we opened it with the grand opening, ribbon cutting ceremony. It's full. It's there. It's really awesome. Um, I was in there the other day there. The 3D printers are running. Uh, we're up printing stuff. We're we're using it. Continue to be more and more. um just a really great space for us and an opportunity for us to build design um and utilize that space um you know for more than just the purposes that we initially said

120on the grant but kind of how we're coming together and finding awesome ways to do it even working with Auburn um you know one of the things I love about you know Joe Glven at Auburn is he's always trying to find us money um so that that that that's a great friend to have and so we're going to continue to form that partnership but I think working with Joe um he is Joe's an outside of the box thinker as well. And so we've come up with some ways to really say, "Hey, we can partner with this. We're not going to ever replace Auburn. That's not our goal, but we're going to partner with some things um and use some different coding and things like that to help us fund some of these programs that we

121have. Go for grants that look a little bit different because we have this space. We can put some grants in and code some things." So, we're really excited about the future of this space. um not just because it's really cool um but the opportunities that it provides for not only our students but eventually we are going to open it up to our community to try to do some community education classes and that's that's where we're trying to roll with it because we our community needs that we we we have the space we have the area if we can find an instructor um why not um if there's if there's a desire let's do it >> there was um an article about a career center um implementing a sweat pledge which um it's supposed to be

122the the types of things you want kids to start to think about as far as being good workers in the future. And um you know it the article was in the news Herald today but um I don't know if you're familiar with it uh but it sounded very it was interesting because it related more to the kids going through this experience and it it really if you're you know business advisory yeah you'd want to catch that article I have it I can send it to if you want because I always screenshot them. Okay. >> All right. Oh, she's leaving, but she's not coming quietly. So, Dr. Malaka on her in her swan song uh put together a couple of just amazing ideas that came out of our business advisory, and they are just I mean,

123these are things that we can shout. I know we're going to get some some credit in the news herald, but I don't even that does it. Um on May 7th, we we did our very first check out the truck event. She wouldn't allow us call it touch the truck, uh but it's check out the truck. It was a Lake County Fairgrounds. Um and we had all second graders invited to be a part of it and it was such a it was such a big undertaking. We invited our partner schools to join us as well and there weren't many who took us up on it and it was it's their loss. We invited all the parochial schools in house none of them decided to take advantage of it. We invited um Perry, we invited Madison, we

124invited Pel City. I believe we had Madison came. I think there might have been another school district that came too. Um but it was just it was awesome. We had all these different types of trucks from different careers including um the uh medos uh the medical medevac hospital that helicopter land that land the student got to watch it land. Um they got to go into all the trucks. The bucket truck we put on there because that bucket was going up and down all day. Now the student didn't get to go in it. Um but they did get to make the bucket go up and down. Um we had a a stretch a large limo party bus there to talk about um the the industry. um that was actually driven by and that area was run

125by her own Miss Keenir and she was having a dance party with the kids. You go in there and they're all dancing around and jumping. Um you when you talk about true educational engagement these kids were and it wasn't just let's play with the truck. Everyone who was there was talking about their career, what kind of education they needed, what the expectations were, what skills make it successful, all of that so they would have a role to it. We actually think that this is a great event for our second graders, but it might be just as cool for our high schoolers to come out and see that their freshman year. Look at all the toys I get to play with. But then now I'm having a path to go down because all these trucks are

126associated with some sort of career path. So it was more than just fire trucks. It was excavators. It was waterproofer stuff. It was um I think we had a maintenance van. I was it was crazy the amount of trucks that she got out there. Um the the cement mixer has a great story um behind it. Dr. Macher was driving around somewhere, saw the cement mixer, I think illegally did a U-turn, followed the cement mixer, >> asked them what they were doing on May 7th, and got that cement mixer to commit to. So it's one of those where um when she wanted, you know, she wanted something, she got it. So then also that's that enough was like okay you've done it you go but oh no she decided to do a fifth grade career exploration

127too and this thing you thought the check out the truck thing was was special this one all of our fifth graders came to the CTX wing and did this career quest and she brought in all kinds of professionals from all different entrepreneurs she took if you worked for the district and didn't have a classroom and w and wasn't the superintendent you were running a station um you know Mr. Caribbean was running a like a a entrepreneurial station um where no a newspaper station where there's a murder mystery up there. She tied our our second um our actual career class in uh drama. They were the actors for this murder mystery. So they were plexing their actors. Uh our deputy was up on the stage running the you know saying this is how you collect evidence.

128Nick was doing the how we do a press release. All of them were together to do this one kind of push out. We had our our local design person designing working with graphic design and what makes a good design and what the customer wants. Um there were measurements there. It was there was a um oh some kind of trauma. I forget what the actual tra it was a a device that measures humidity and kind of did some of that that Lubel donated for us that we can run these take these steps and they can work with that. So all of these things these kids were engaged in, there were health sessions and all related to different types of careers, hands-on and focused on why do I need to learn this? So when we talked about

129construction, we had construction people there and they talked specifically about geometry and triangles and why you need to learn this is because when you build a house, you want it to be square. So to have it to know that that's there, that's a part of so really applied knowledge and into the why you need to learn what you need to learn um was really important. So, if you want to be this career, these are the things you need to learn. And not just your traditional, hey, I want to be good at art if I want to be a graphic designer. Yes, you do. But you also have to be good at math because you have to say how much square footage it costs to design this and what kind of materials and all that. So,

130it was a great it was a really cool event. Um, our annual literacy lineman kicked off again and that would just happen this week. um our on May 15th, all of our football players visit our elementary schools to read and interact with our elementary students. Um just to show the importance of literacy. Um that actually I believe was I don't know if it was started by Mr. Schustler, but he was he's involved every year. We woke him into it. He takes the lineman out, they read, they go and and the kids love it. It's just a great day for all. Really does bring that sense of one community. Today at one o'clock, one of my favorite ceremonies of the year. It is always windy. I'm not sure why, but it always is. We had our

131military signing at the um at our memorial at our veterans memorial out in the stadium. Congratulations to the 10 seniors. Um and thank you for those who enlisted into the military following graduation. Um it was a really special ceremony. We have a lot of brave young men and women who are going on to um fight for or protect our country and serve our country. Are really excited about it. As of note, the one young woman is going into the Navy and she was actually uh she took her oath on the USS Cleveland when it was in town. So, it was super cool. Um and one kind of things the experiences that are there and she is going to the Navy nuclear program. Um and they made sure to mention that as well. So, really great

132things going on with that. Uh we are ending up with our uh sports seasons and we're champs. Um the WRC is is over with and we're WRC champs in softball again. Um our softball team is back on its run. Hopefully it'll make another great run and uh win it all again. Baseball was WRC champs. As a note, um special note uh one of our teachers, uh Mr. Ozinga has two sons who play baseball. Last Friday night, his freshman son threw a perfect game to his senior son who's the catcher. >> So you talk about a proud dad moment. Uh it doesn't get any better than that. And Matt won't tell you that because he's a little bit humble. So, I'll brag for him. Really awesome day uh for him on Friday. I asked him, we

133took him out for ice cream and no, he didn't. I think they went for hot chicken or something. But but such a such a cool experience. You couldn't imagine. Girls track and field were also WRC champs. We had a couple of And then if we weren't the champs, I believe we were second. I think our boys were second in the WRC. I think lacrosse was second. Lost to Kenston again. Bombers. Um so really good thing um this year. Oh I have that right here. So softball finished 23 and4 10 and0 in the WRC. Uh one of the losses the softball team was to the division one number one ranked team. Um but they're playing for the division championship tour at MER. Baseball was 16 and eight and seven and three in the WRC. They're playing

134the district semis at Normandy. Um and that's at Riverside. Girls track and field are in the districts this weekend. Uh boys track and field are in the regionals uh this weekend. So exciting times for those sports as the weather this weekend is supposed to rain out but the weather is supposed to be nicer this time of year. Uh girls lacrosse was 88 and one lost in the second round of Madina. Boys lacrosse is 4 and 11 but two and one in the WRC finished second place and they are playing tonight against Ignatius to see if they can go on. Um good luck to the good luck to our voice tonight because nothing from Ignatius is good right Mrs. just myself. >> Um, big congratulations to the people who are on our agenda tonight. Really happy

135to uh bring these people on to the team. Uh, first of all, Dave Leon is going to is recommended to be our assistant superintendent. Um, and Nick Shustler will be our AP and we will have them kind of say a few words after them. Um, next week is graduation. Uh, it is supposed to be a nice night again. Uh that is the 28th at 7 pm at Riverside. Um I would plan on being here a little bit early because the parking lot does fill up rather fast. Um but it's a great time. It's a great event. Love graduation and seeing all of our over 300 seniors walk across the stage uh get their diploma um on that field as a sunset. It's a special moment and it's something that's special to this community um throughout.

136And congratulations to our staff class of 2026 as we say goodbye to them. Monday, June 1st, it's our annual all staff celebration and retirement um recognition. Board members who are absolutely invited to attend and join us. It's from 11 to 1. It's co-sponsored by REA, OBC, and District Administration. Again, we say this every time when they actually congratulate, but another congratulations to all our retirees. Annie Wood, Captain Watson, Kelly D'vor, Sue Verka, Mike Dingman, David Schwarz, Sharon Field, Melissa Malacher, Norley Star, Joanna Reini, Jennifer Mayor, Diana Prit, Alan Sluga, Kelly Brewster, Tina Brooks, Beth Thomas, Michelle Reachi, and Bonnie Steel for now. So, those are the ones we know about. I think that's all of it. Um, you know, a lot of great lot of years that are a lot of experience that are walking

137out that door. Um, really hopeful, really happy that they made a great impression and wish them the best um in their next phase of their life. And that be my report. >> Just one quick question on the um uh plan. Uh was there anything for the um transportation um given that now we're looking media center for a board office, but is there anything else out there that could be repurposed into a transportation and get it out of the parking lot where it's at? >> Where where the the campus is now, there's there's looking at how they're doing the driveway and the traffic so that they kind of can separate. I know Ryan, we had talked about some of that with the traffic flows and how that works. But in terms of a separate facility, we

138don't have anything at this point planned. Um, that'll be something down the road. >> Yeah. the existing facilities. So, yeah, we don't even have a real bus. >> We do not at this point. We don't. We um we've had some conversations about sharing some of these spaces. >> You talked about things >> with other districts. We have um and we're still and we're continuing to explore that especially more this summer as we work through it. So, it's not it's not something that is completely out of out of the question as to what it looks like and all that. There's some chance that if we have something that we need to look for, we can go Because currently we don't have a lift. >> You do not. >> I know. >> Yes. >> Thank you. That

139brings us to superintendence I'm sorry the treasures report and committee update. So finance audit personnel committee and alumni association. Mr. Buyers. >> Okay. I will try to make this we held our finance and personnel committee uh meeting on the 14th. Some of the highlights include uh Michelle Gford gave a nutrition service update. The community discussed implementing community eligibility provision or C for Melidge in Riverview. This program allows all students in the in these buildings to receive free lunches and uh meals and is expected to significantly increase the district's title one and DIPA fundings uh significantly. The application would be combined with the Fairport schools and is on a four-year cycle. The district uh would anticipate reevaluating eligibility in two years when u the Buckeye project is complete. The district is revising handbooks for administrators and

140exempt employees and the the revised hand uh administrative handbook is on the agenda tonight for approval. Notable changes include updates to job descriptions and administrative salary schedule and replacing district cell phones for administrators um with a 30 month uh $30 a month. Mr. McIntyre reviewed the handbook as well. The draft of the exempted confidential employees was also reviewed and will be finalized for the June meeting. Dr. Martino mentioned the May agenda is full of personnel recommendations including continuing contracts for eight teachers and administration renewals for nine administr administrators. Other items of note include procedural nonrenewals for tutors and substance teachers. Also on the May agenda are recommended extended days to be scheduled for instructional coaches up to five supervisors up to two and 10 month 10 month central office assistance. This is to assist in

141the transition of the new assistant superintendent plan uh upcoming plans to wide upcoming professional develment. and partake in a full day curriculum leaders retreat to be scheduled in August. A new volunteer background check process through V check was introduced reducing district costs from 4725 to $17 per person. This was vetted through Mr. McIntyre. The district is planning a job fair on June 17th to recruit for various non-eing and substitute positions for the 26 27 school year. Dr. mentioned expedited dates for the financial department due to new regulations including a 515 and to any new purchases purchase orders through uh fiscal year 26. Outstanding large purchase orders were discussed including healthcare and benefits of legal services. He also reported a project uh projected 1.6 million annual loss in local tax revenue due to county commissioner decisions

142regarding tax rollout. There was also a review of the PI fund and included the impact to fund fund with the Buckeye edition and renovation project. The meeting concluded with a brief uh discussion on large long-term property tax revenue for local development like casement through no immediate no new no new immediate revenue is expected until construction begins. And then the other I have is the alumni association uh committee meeting. Again, we are they are hosting a June 20th golf outing. Um if you'd like to see me shank 10 18 drives, come out and support the the district. Uh a lot of good comes from this. Uh they support scholarships and other activities around the school district. This $100 gets you a hot dog lunch, mission barbecue dinner. There's some add-ons. Um mulligans. I'll probably buy a

143couple of those and and I think that's it for me. >> I know I was talking to somebody today at the military signing and they were saying they're they are looking for people. They really need people to come out and um participate in that event. I think I've gotten six teams to register and so >> once Steve register >> do you want to see at least 18 >> not good >> we are we are bringing one team one alum and three bombs back so we're >> we're dusting off the clubs and coming out >> nice and that's all I have >> all right update from the treasurer. >> Sure. So, um just getting in this uh rhythm of of um doing uh expenditures, cash analysis as it relates to the five-year forecast so we can

144as a board fully understand where we are and where we stand. So, um that is the goal. So, cash balance trends compared to the forecast. So, that's what we'll look at. We'll look at first we'll look at that cash balance and this is an overall view. So currently and this fluctuates of course monthto monthth uh but not a lot not significantly but currently yeartoate revenue collections are $25,000. When it says unfavorable it means that is $25,000 less than the forecast. Um, current year-to-ate expenditures are $87,000 above uh the forecast for an overall net impact of $112,000 uh negative impact on our carryover. So currently uh June 30 cash balance um at the end of last fiscal year was just over $20 million and we anticipate being at 19 million uh46,000. Keep in mind that 800

145over $800,000 of that was unforeseen dumped on us in what February Dr. Ratino somewhere in that range. >> November >> was it was it that early? Okay. Um but it was prior to our for so you know our forecast would look significantly closer uh we would be in our not our forecast actually because we adjusted our forecast but the we wouldn't be in near the deficit spending that we are had those dollars not been removed next year. As you heard Mr. Vyer's report he said 1.6 million because that's what it'll be next year. This year was only a half collection, so a little over $800,000. Um, so that is the net impact on our uh 5-year forecast. Again, just kind of spelled out more clearly. And that is our projected deficit spend for this school

146year. We are not in a deficit but we are deficit spending but we are trending towards a deficit overall. So let's take a look at revenue. Uh again we said it was $25,000. Where is that money coming from? Where is it short? Where is it over? So our estimation on local property taxes was pretty close. 46,000 more. state revenue was a little bit more than we expected, but there were other expenditures um or other reductions in revenue that we didn't anticipate. For the total overall miss out of 56 million bucks, we're off by $25,000. So, the two t top categories are those local taxes and tuition and patron payments. That's about 9 uh 9.9% of our variance. And then the total variance of $25,000 uh versus what we projected is 0.04%. So we're 83% complete

147with the fiscal year. That's 10 months and you can see the actual cash carryover. So, uh I I I do not foresee any material change between now and the close of uh this fiscal year. But there has been a consistent question that keeps popping up everywhere I go because on one hand I'm saying we have House Bill 920, our revenue is frozen, but yet there's a $3.3 million increase on our forecast. So how how what what's accurate? What what's real? So let's let's delve into that and I hope that this becomes clear. So in fiscal year 25 that was our property tax collections um and fiscal year 26 property tax collections for a difference of $1.3 million. So what what is causing us to grow in revenue by $1.3 million? Um it represents that in

148fiscal year 25 tax collections we were on the 20 mil floor. Then shortly thereafter the legislators changed the law. So we only stayed on the floor for one year. Why? because substitute levies didn't used to count against the floor. Now they do. So in essence, that substitute levy went from uh not counting against the floor to be being categorized as effective millage. I don't necessarily disagree with that, honestly. Um I I actually do agree with that. Additionally, emergency levies which were not counted against the floor do now count against the floor, but we don't have any emergency operating levies. Some districts around us do. Uh so that was very impactful for them. So that's where we stand currently. So that explains 1.3 million. But where what about the rest? The rest comes from what's called

149advances. So, in June of 2025 during the build of the CTX building, they're required in advance. In other words, there wasn't money to pay the bill in June. It wasn't because it wasn't coming. It's a grant. It was coming, but it wasn't received. And that was a little over $2 million. So then in July of 2025, you know, when we received the grant, of course, the money had to be transferred back in and it shows as $2 million coming in as revenue in fiscal year 26 when it all it was doing was replacing, but it gives the illusion of additional more revenue than is real. So if you take the advance plus the growth we did see because we were on the 20 mil floor for a half minute and inside millillage there's your $3.3

150million that will not happen next year. So, you know, our true increase is the $1.3 million, which by the way is a 2% increase from fiscal year 25 >> 2% or 2% >> 2%. >> And that actually will decrease next year as the >> will get hit much harder because >> $100,000 roll back because of one of the exactly becomes 1.6 million. >> So, expenditure analysis um let's take a look at that. How are we doing on those types of uh expenditures? Where are the expenditures coming from? No surprise, 84% of our budget is people. So, of course, it would come uh from that category to the tune of about $2 million. Purchase services about $655,000 and all all other expenses uh just under a million dollars. And there's your uh $3.6 6 million and

151your deficit spend. So again, we're trending at $87,000 more than we anticipated. There's your breakdown of what we forecasted versus what we believe will be the final actual. It could that number will change some but not materially. Again, um here's a very specific breakdown of uh the forecast versus cash flow actuals. You can see where the where we actually did better than we projected and where uh we projected slightly short. So the two categories are the tuition and similar payments. That's a 4% variance between current expense estimates and what we actually ended up with. And the total variance of $87,000 is a 2% um variance from our from what we forecasted. So in conclusion, our revenue variance is immaterial. Both of them are actually pretty immaterial when you're talking about a $75 million budget, you

152know, to be um off by 2%. 04%. >> So, investment update. Um question before you go invest. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Can you go back to the first expenditure slide? >> Sure. >> Expenditure. >> Yeah. So, the green bar is salaries and benefits. We know that we did see an increase in benefits. Is there a down kind of to what percent like >> what went to benefits. >> Yeah. >> Um I can get that and I will add that. I I I don't want to say I'm not going to make up a number because I don't want to be wrong but I I can add that >> 20 um that was a 20% increase that wasn't forecasted as well as the additional payment which is another that we didn't forecast as well. We have to

153make the additional benefit insurance payment that's on this. >> So we might not see the same our our self insurance is trending in the right direction to save us. >> Not that we are going to spend less, but we are going to not spend as much as we anticipated. >> And we're still providing benefits to >> we are still providing the same level of benefits that we have before by changing things. >> And one of the things Dr. Ratino and I have been working on is um and and really it was a recommendation uh from Mrs. Graassy and I think she's spot on about it. We're not we don't talk enough at the board table about what we are doing to cut expenditures. We we haven't done a good enough job with that. And there's

154a lot of things that have been done that the general public simply doesn't know because we haven't told them. So, we're in the process of putting that together. It'll be a full document, a full presentation um so that it can really lay out what it is and then make sure cut in time because we are going to have to have start having very difficult decisions about um what what are what are our priorities and that came out in our finance and personnel committee and I think it's accurate. Um so we're going to have to have those discussions at the board table and I know it's awkward and it's long but it's necessary. >> And then the all other expenses is probably inflation related. >> Yes, most all of it is and I'm going to get

155to that actually. So, I want to I went to a um I listened to uh a very interesting presentation by um by our investors, Red Tree. Um but here's where we are now. So, we're still making money. I think that's important for again we don't tell people we're we're creating additional revenue by being smart with our investments. Um but we're going to have to become even investing is going to get trickier and trickier for a lot of reasons and I want to show this. So this is the um consumer price index which tells you that's how the federal government tracks inflation and you can see where it was at its height and you can see where it is now and that it's spiked. It's it's primarily spiking because of the energy crisis, the oil crisis

156which is spilling over into all kinds of things. Uh to include food and I'll give you a great example on this slide. It was very interesting. Um, and by the way, I'm going to be very clear. I did not create these the previous slide or this slide. It came from Red Tree this morning. But look at the cost, the skyrocketing cost. And that's the word they use on the talk for the cost of tomatoes. And this just one example. There's a million you could pull from. You know, the most obvious one is gasoline, but Everything is jumping up in price and that pressuring us and additionally it's pressuring our taxpayers as we contemplate a levy, you know. So, so I I understand where we are and the difficulty there where people are, but I hope

157that they also recognize that those same challenges are impacting us. And we are about two we we'll see in the fi in the five-year forecast, which will I'll tell you when that's coming up here in just a moment. Um, but we are not far from state receiverhip. Not far at all. We'll be in state receiverhip. the first first step uh when we submit the next forecast and this is what fund rates are doing right now. So what we have what we have to do excuse me is especially as our cash reserves when you have a large cash reserve it's easy to put large amounts in investments as we don't need liquid we've got liquid cash but as liquid cash liquidity drains up we have less money we can invest and u if we have an

158unforeseen situation it usually comes from uh a building repairs is a big one. Unanticipated uh you know a a bus dies and we weren't anticipating it. There are things that can happen. A boiler goes down. We yes we budget for maintenance but you can't you can't always budget for the unforeseen and so it becomes challenging. Meaning we as we lo as as our as our cash reserves dwindle, we're going to make less in our investments, but we have to main we have to really look hard at this to determine how much we're going to tie up in investments. So, how much do we keep in Huntington Bank? How much are we putting in Star Ohio? And what about our investment portfolio? So, uh, Ryan and Joe, who are the two main gentlemen who run Red

159Tree, are coming out to meet with us, and they're going to look specifically at all of our numbers. I want to bring in someone who's smarter than me um, and sit down with Mr. Patrice and I, Dr. Routino, whoever else is um pertinent to this to look at where should we be investing our dollars and how much should we invest and how much should we keep as legal cash. So permanent improvement fund review, we already went over this, but I have good news and I have bad news about the PI that you're looking at right there. So I'll start with the bad news. Well, it's it's it's partially good and bad that the we are moving forward with the GMP. We'll be pulling that money out or go going to um sell those bonds. Uh

160do you remember Dr. Ratino when that is? It's coming up very soon in the next few weeks. Right. >> Uh pricing is June 3rd. Um and then we will have cash in hand I believe on the 24th. So they're selling it the next two weeks. The downside of that is uh that those those payments will come sooner than um than what we have on the board. The good news is the payments are about $200,000 less a year than we anticipated. Now, we have to wait until the bond sale to know exactly for sure, but they're telling us uh about $200,000 lower. So, that'll take a little pressure off of our uh what you're seeing across the bottom line there. You can see the deficit spends on our PI levy. So that will be helpful and

161we're going to stare in our payments. Were able to do that. So the first year 400,000 and then it jumps up to the just slightly over $1 million a year. Uh so we'll readjust the PI um for this and then if anybody wants uh which I handed out at our meeting, we have a very specific breakdown under each one of those categories to the left that tell you you know what what makes up of $400,000. What are we spending that on? Um, I think that that what you will find though as you look at this PI levy, our the PI budget, and just look at our appropriations, which I'll talk about in just a minute, there is not there's not a lot of fat in it at all. There's not, and I don't mean fat

162in a negative way. You you would you would like to put some padding in your appropriations, but we're running it as tight as we can. There's a risk with that, of course. Um, most treasure treasures don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. But when you're getting down to the cash reserve levels that we are finding ourselves, we have to get as close as we possibly can. >> Now, the instructional curriculum part, um, you know, I don't know where we're at as far as buying new, you know, textbook series and things like that, but I know we said technology is part of it, but technology does it online. Well, what we what we have done in budgeting, again, these are things that we need to be telling you about and we and

163I I am the first to tell you we have to improve, but what we have historically done is we don't really departments and buildings weren't responsible for their own budgets. Now they are. So, it's a paradigm shift for them. Um but one of the things we did was we pulled all those technology software packages out of control of building principles and centralized them under John Renwick. The reason for that is you'll have a software package you'll find that a second grade teacher for example loves. She loves it. She's been using it for years. She loves it. and we're paying for 275 users licenses, but the only classroom using it is the one teacher with 25 students when there's another software package that the other teachers like that does the same thing, but this teacher just

164doesn't want to change. And and I get why they didn't wouldn't want to change. I'm the first to say those of you who know me in technology know I would not want to change. I would be right there with that teacher holding on with 25 uh licenses for my kids because I don't want to learn another one because I'm too old. But we have to we have to get better and that's one of the ways that we're we're streamlining and that's why you see that number there. >> So is that under technology or instruction curriculum? >> It's under the all the technology software packages fall under technology. >> Okay. All right. I think it's important to mention too that you did um go out to all the buildings I believe and talk to each of

165the buildings about some of the changes. Correct. >> Yes, we held training sessions. We've had a couple of meetings. We had an all day training. Well, not an all day, a couple hours uh training session and then um I give all the credit in the world to Mr. Patrezy. Um I don't know how many where are you? I don't know how many phone calls he took from buildings, especially all at the last minute when budgets were due. Um, answering their questions. Um, and I think you all know I have a high regard for Mike and what he does. So, important dates coming up. Uh, May 15th, we close purchase orders. Hard deadline. Hard deadline. >> Last week, >> don't don't give us a purchase order. Um, >> wait. They're done. >> What? >> They're done.

166>> I know. I said don't get don't bring one. Not happening unless it says July 1st. Um, at our June board meeting. So So the I've talked to many treasurers and everybody's doing it a little bit differently, but the new rules don't make sense. Forecast is due in August. Permanent appropriations is due in September. So why would you do a forecast before the board approves your budget? And pretty much everybody's saying the same thing. That doesn't make any sense. So our tempo will be uh temporary appropriations will be presented to the board because we have to make payroll in July and without temporary appropriations for fiscal year 27, we couldn't spend any money. So there'll be a temporary appropriations prepared for June and um and we'll also close final uh appropriations from fiscal year 26.

167Then at our July board meeting, we'll do the fiscal year 27 permanent appropriations. So if we it gives us a so if there is board conversation and there and we want to make changes, I still have a window to do that. But I would like to be um have that number or have that entire um budget locked down. And the reason is because in August I'll present the forecast then submit that forecast to OU. So you just can't I just don't see how you can do forecast before you know that the board's approved what you're projecting to spend. questions. >> Thank you. >> Questions. >> Well, I think the only thing would be is that it was the meeting with um the superintendent and the commissioners and they're not changing. >> Oh, yes, we did.

168We Well, we met with two of the three commissioners. Um I would not say well I'll let you you >> so no we had a chance to meet with um with all the superintendent the Jennifer who's the superintendent of the west set it up where we had a meeting with all lake some J county super and one portage uh county superintendents and treasures met at first with commissioner Macintosh um just kind of went through and gave the um overall impact of the roll back um kind of what it what it did to all the districts. It looks different uh depending on the district that you're at. Um and it's very it's you know a lot of a lot of the same. We have a lot of districts are reducing u making cuts along the way.

169Um we have been doing that as we were and we were proactive in it. I think for us the biggest thing is we were thought we would get another year out of the forecast. We thought we would making those cuts to try to do that. Um, and then we get, you know, the it was it was a double-edged sword with the with the second or the 13th insurance payment and then the the the second um the roll back. Had we had one of those, we would still not be the spending or we would be really close. But we had both and that's that's the reality of of the situation that we're in. Um, just that was kind of the conversations with Commissioner obviously he's newer um to have some of that. When we met with

170Commissioner Beverage following that, it was right after um and kind of had some conversations with him. It was really the things we are doing um that you know we again as Dr. Thompson said we don't scream out all the things we're doing for cost sharing and all that. Um he was like well what about we talked about shared services with food service. We talked about shared service agreements where we've had um with looking at transportation and how we eliminate some of those routes. We talked about things that we have to do because um because we have to do them, but they're very expensive. Um and it's and it's the right thing to do, but there are but there are things that that cost a lot of money. That includes um you know, we have to

171educate all students and some of those students we have to educate because of their their special needs are incredibly expensive. um we get some money back for that um from the state as a reimbursement, but we don't get nearly the amount of money that we put into it. Um and we have to do it and there's no other ways around it. I think that those are some of the things that we we've had some of those conversations that that that's just the nature of being a school and doing business. I think that's that's a fair thing to say. Um Commissioner Beverage kind of came out and said he's been advocating for the state to continue to do their part. We've all shared the issue that you know depending on where you are um really depends

172on the impact on the local on the local taxpayer in terms of property tax. The state has shifted the burden of property taxes from businesses to the local taxpayers and agricultural. It's shifted significantly in the past 20 years. We know that. We can see it. We can show it. It's tangible. Um they've also reduced the state income tax levels down. Um, and Commissioner Bever's line was nobody asked for that. It's not that we don't appreciate it, but no one really came out and asked for that. And I think when you look at Ohio's records, there is a there is a direct there's a there's a miscorrelation there. Ohio is one of the top states. Um, and you don't want to be top in this case in terms of property tax burden on their on their

173homeowners. Um, but one of the lower states in terms of income tax burden on all those um as well as they're trying to um what those impacts look like. So >> I think it depends on the the also the district when you talk about districts like >> Perry who's in a very unique situation because they have a significant asset uh in their backyard and literally they get a lot of state funds back from the state um because there are rollbacks on Perry but the state continues to pay back for those some of those where you wouldn't think a community like Perry is as highly funded by the state as they are but they are um when you look at a community like us and like like Madison um coincidentally there's There's a reason why we

174are the first or the lowest and the second lowest pure pure people spend. We are a very residential and agricultural neighborhood. Not a lot of businesses in either one um to kind of help with some of those property tax. So our property tax burden is on the homeowner. Um and that's a that's a thing that was kind of shared with that Menor and Will have a lot more of a split. So when they go look for kind of how they want they want to kind of cast that burden out equally. So those those those real conversations were were The other part that was kind of said that really came out is, you know, you did it and it's f it's fine, but when we forecast four years out, I mean, that that was their choice.

175I didn't think it was fine. That's that was their that was their choice through the legislation. When we forecast five years out and we're not looking at like like and they go and make that immediately, that those significant they have real impacts because we're in the middle of the year. Our contracts are August to July. They're they're to make adjustments in the middle of the year are incredibly challenging. We can't just say, "Hey, we're not gonna I mean, we could, but it's not fair to say, hey, we're not going to bus anymore. We're going to change our bus routes and we're going to change those kind of things or we're going to stop putting fuel in our buses." Even though diesel fuel goes up, we can't just stop filling them with with with diesel. We

176have to continue to do that. that that was part of the challenge that I don't think I don't know if if the commissioners understood the immediate impact to that. I think they do now. I think commissioner members had talked about some of the changes that are happening at the state house. Um and we we've said forever the the homestead we everyone kind of supports that comes out that that's okay. owner occupied is one that as they continue to change that maybe just give us that one back to kind of compromise and meet in the middle and he is not open to it this year but he is open to discussion on as the state changes what that owner occupied looks like and the fact that it's not funded back even if they would have funded

177it back great >> do you think they have a good understanding even district to district in this area like by the wealth of the district and how that impacts our property owners also right so for instance our district 74% >> funed by >> we are 74% funded by local property tax >> right and that's because of how the state looks at us as a wealthy district. So um >> and and the lack of so we say we're 74% funded by it's also the lack of industry um in our district compared to a district like me has a large industrial complex has those those as well a lot of our big businesses um and are really big earners also have tax exemptions on them and then The other the other one that we looked at too

178and mentioned, you know, yes, we're growing and people keep saying and pointing out to us, well, we got all these new developments coming and that's great. Yet, yes, it is great. Um, but a lot of the ones that are actually building houses right now, um, and could be adding to it, we get 25% of the inside bill. It's not the whole crop because it's House Bill 920, but it but we get only 25% of that because of allowances that they can have to fund, you know, you know, like like there's a RID to put on them or and every new development that's come that's not the huge casement project that hasn't even started to build yet, but the ones that are actually building houses has some sort of a RID on it now that impacts

179our our share for the next 10 years. Um, so that's that's the reality of the situation. try to express that to them and I I think they were open to it and they heard it. I don't think they're willing to make any changes um for this upcoming year, but I think that they're still open to seeing some of the impacts on he taken away, but it was supposed to be the 1.6 half is taken away this year by the commissioners. Okay. >> So, it's where did that money go? Is it like going to be a reduction for the rest? Yes. The way that so the so the commissioners actually um and I'm not I don't have the exact understanding how they're do on the tax bill, but when they passed it, I believe the tax

180bills were adjusted for this year um to to show the double credit for homestead and owner occupied on on the individual tax bills in Lake County. So so the county auditor made that made that adjustment from November to January when the S tax goes out. The other part that's out there is the current legislation that's been passed by the state. And again, we were all saying we needed to fix property tax. So that's not something we're not saying. That current legislation, Dr. Thompson said we made some money because we were on the floor for a second um and went up. That that's about $800,000. That's that's in addition to the money that we had from the rollback. That bill comes in and they kept us whole this year. Um and it impacted districts differently. So

181for us, it's it's a small amount of money. We're not going to see that next year in our state financing payment. predicting to not see that as much as but that's not to us because we had that was a it was a small levy that didn't collect on the substitute le where the the districts like that have a number of those emergency levies that were on they significantly see so I'm not sure they're in a much larger hole than so for us it it did impact us and every dollar helps um but our impact wasn't nearly the gain and the bigger impact from us was the was the roll back um instead of this this other legislation, but they're all there. The other part that's there is if we do see any of these incremental

182um you know, I guess once in a lifetime gains on property tax and all that or on house evaluation, the only the only gain that we will ever see ever again on any valuation is 3%. >> 3% on four mills. >> Yes. 3% on four mills. So that that definitely truly impacts that doesn't even keep keep us up with inflation. We've shown all of those along the way um to where we are. It's it's it's it it's a system that does need overhaul. Um and no one has an answer for it. >> So the commissioners are looking like to the state to make some changes. Is there anything that you know we can help them with or that we as a district should be doing? Also >> I I I think we just need to

183continue to advocate. We continue to advocate for for those changes. I think when we go talk about what those changes are. We do have, you know, understanding the real impact of it and just sharing our story and our story is different than than other stories that are there. And I think that's what makes it, you know, there are so many districts across the state. Every story is is different in in ways. And I think that's that's the problem that are there for us and really and truly for us and others. We do run lean. We we continue to say that and it's not just because we want to shout it out. Um but with Manners making an impact to hey before this even happened to them. They were going to increase $2 million a year

184just because they could. Um and they they they've had some successes just by you know reducing some positions that we've never had never sniffed never came close to. Um and that's just something that there there's differences in some of that. I think in in other districts that that we've worked in Dr. Thompson and I've talked about positions where there there are some low hanging fruit that are pretty easy to go ahead and trim up. We don't have that. And I think that's part of our part of our challenge is we have great people. We have people who go above and beyond and just making sure that we keep those people are really kind of important that we keep them in the right direction and they want to be here. >> Thank you. >> Great. That

185brings us to public comment. Anyone wishing to address the board of education will be recognized by the board president. Speakers are requested to speak from their place. um identify themselves in their topic. Comments are limited to three minutes. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Brian Mass 8196. >> I'm sorry. One moment. >> Technical difficulty. Sorry. >> One second. Thank you. >> Okay. Yeah. Brian Massie, 8196 Rainbow Drive. Uh I don't want to necessarily add to the confusion on the numbers, but I want to thank uh Dr. Thompson for his explanation of the uh outside inside millage and how much we received. I was also under the impression because I attended the finance meeting last finance meeting and we were talking about $3.6 million. Where that number came from was the prior U treasur had mentioned that

186they were looking uh to receive $3.6 million because of the 20 mil floor >> and that was before the myriad of changes. So that's what you know put us in our mind at $3.6 million. So what I did was to satisfy myself, I went to the auditor's office and I said, "Can you tell me how much Riverside School District got because of the 20 mil floor?" Again, the 20 mil floor only outside millage. We weren't talking about inside millage. And the number that I got from the auditor's office was $36,000. That was it. $36,000. So, I'm I'm agreeing with you because because we were were set up because not that Mr. Fu was wrong, but he was operating under the um the rules that we had at that time. So, I just want to mention

187that it's $36,000, not 3.6 million. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other public comment? >> Right. Thank you. That brings us to our consent agenda. First up is finance and audit. >> Like to make a motion to approve the items listed on the uh finance audit agenda A through J as recommen recommended by the treasure. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? I'd just like to make note to thank those who provided donations to the district. We had $10,000 from an anonymous donor to the Riverside Alumni Association. That's really amazing. So, thank you to whoever did that. Um, and the home press box windows that were donated by Riverside Youth Football valued at $6,229.37. So, thank you for that as well. Those are significant. Mrs. Kerninski, >> I >>

188Mr. Buyers. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Grassy. >> Hi, >> Mr. Hi. >> Motion carries 5. >> Next is personnel. All right. Like to make a motion to approve items listed on the personal consent agenda A through Q except for C, L, and N as in Nancy as recommended by the superintendent. I need a second. >> I'll second it. >> Any discussion? Um before we take roll, I'd like to announce we did have one retirement, Jennifer Maynard. I like to thank her on behalf of the board and uh the community and uh you know, congratulations and enjoy retirement. >> I would I would like to congratulate our new folks. Um, and I'm just going to call out the fact that we are also approving a new high school band director, um,

189or band instructor who is a Riverside graduate, recent graduate, graduating my kids. So, congratulations to Senzo. >> That's really awesome. He's going to do a great job. >> Dr. Mr. Buyers, could I ask one more time for clarity? What items are not in their discontent? >> C L and N. >> Sorry, C L and N. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Adino. >> Hi, >> Mrs. Grassy. >> I >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi, >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi, >> Mr. Penski. >> I >> Motion carries 5. >> Like to make a motion to approve uh item listed on personal consent agenda. Item C as recommended by the superintendent. >> Okay. So, item C. >> Sorry. Can I get a second? >> I have a second. >> Any discussion? >> Um, admin. Is that the administrative personel?

190Okay. Yeah. Somehow I got a loose page. Um, all right. So, yeah, I wanted to vote separately. Um so the administrative personnel um obviously um we're approving the new people under this um and then under this also is extended days and um is that correct? >> That is part of this >> yeah action. Yes. >> Okay. And so um you know these are um extended days um that are given anywhere from what two to five days for work over the summer um at their uh predium or per day rate. >> Correct. Uh the five days that are given to Michelle Gford are paid out of her contract or out of her federal fund contract which has no cost to the district. The other two days to each of the supervisors um are for professional development

191and are eligible for under title two which is federal funds which we do not use as well. So again that's no cost out of the general fund. >> Okay. All right. And I guess you know the only thing I want to say is that I know um there's a need for um some you know opportunity for our new assistant superintendent to meet with everybody. And you said you're having a curriculum thing. Um typically um in districts you know that's done when their you know administrators are you know back in August or or they have extended contracts that go through you know June but this is a special situation. Um I did ask how much that could be um and you said it was somewhere around 25,000 if all the days were used to use all

192the days and all those and covered under title two federal funds. >> Yeah. But, you know, it's like I understand extended days for people who are new that need to accomplish something and certainly I would support this, but again, we're also watching the bottom line and I would like to see moving forward that, you know, some of some of the meeting requirements and different things in other districts. I'm just saying that, you know, you're not paid that you're an administrator, you're at a board meeting, you're, you know, already saving people. So, I just would like to start to move away from that going. >> Okay. So, that was my concern and I wanted to state >> and I didn't know if anybody else had any concerns since that did add up to approximately 25,000. >>

193That was with the coaches as well. >> Yeah, with the coaches. >> And again, many of those funds are under title two and Okay. >> Thank you. So ju just for clarity that means not out of general fund. >> Just saying >> which again we don't do a very good job of communicating. >> All right we'll work on it. >> It's tough. >> Any other discussion Dr. >> Mr. Kreninski? >> I >> Mrs. Grassy. >> Hi. >> Mr. Adino. >> Hi. >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi. >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi. >> Motion carries by Well, can I congratulations officially to Mr. Leon, our new assistant superintendent, >> Mr. Shler, who will be our assistant principal at Middle School. I know that both of their respective supervisors are angry with me right now because we're moving,

194well, in Nick's case, we're moving them out of the high school. Um, and in Dave's case, we're still from Auburn. But they're going to be great, great additions. We're really excited to have them join the administrative team. Sweet. Welcome. Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Like to make a motion to approve item Led on the first consent agenda as recommended by the superintendent. >> Okay. >> So, this is the employee handbook. >> One second. We do have to get a second. >> Sorry. >> This is Employee handbook. >> All right. So, yeah. Administrative handbook. >> Any discussion? >> Can we wait a second? Sorry. No problem. >> Okay. >> Yes. Um, so um we have been talking about this and what the intent is uh trying to um you know um create a step procedure for

195administrators and have fairness. um you know with let's say somebody coming in that you know they're slotted where they should be and it isn't just thing. Um but you know one of the things that also happens is you know even with this that when the bargaining units um classified certified let's say they get 3% raise in addition to this they would get a 3% raise as well. Correct? >> If the board approves it. If the board approves it, >> if the board any any adjustments to there's no automatic provision in any of our handbooks that say that it is whatever the bargaining units get. There's no need to provision on that. It is a any type of adjustment is a board approved adjustment that is both in terms of a um cost of living as

196well as your recommended steps. I shared the the recommended step procedures with you. It's not I survived my contracted days. It's there's a there's a merit to it as well. >> Can I ask a question on the handbook? And Dan, maybe you'll be able to better answer this. When we if we adjust salaries and we say everybody gets a 3% raise, say for example in the administrative team in that is under this handbook. Does that quote increase a base so that everything gets adjusted correspondingly or are we going to have to revisit this time and again for all those things? Because that's what happened. >> That's what happened the last time. The goal is that this would adjust the base of it like it does a typical >> So would we have to approve it

197kind of every year or every time that we do that so that we can make sure that that stays >> the way it's set up right now. Yeah. >> Okay. >> We would have this we would have it as an appendix and it would be approve appendix A and then approve the placement. >> So the table would be ahead. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So the you anticipated a cost for putting this in. So putting them on salary schedules, um that cost was an additional $20,000 past where they would be if you just gave them the traditional reason. >> So for all the administrators to be adjusted to this new schedule would be $20,000 >> additionally over a 3% raise. So if we >> and then plus a 3% raise. So they are getting so

198we would anticipate that they would get a 3% raise as we typically do with our teachers as well as our OC which we typically it's with the rest of what we have um in terms of in terms of our teachers and our our other bargaining union members. We give them the base raise typically. Um but then they also get steps which are anywhere from two to 3% as well depending on where they are and where they're moving. Um from that this is this is not that this is just in terms of where they're at. The overall raise for administrators if you go to this I believe was um where did I say I said that yesterday is 2 or 3.4% I believe or 3. Yeah, that's what I was wanted to ask is that >>

199so the total the total cost increase to our our administrative guideline was like 3.2%. >> From last year to this year >> and since this is new, this has not been budgeted correct. >> Well, what is what is budgeted is the base 3%. So >> So you know the $20,000 would will be and you know if this gets approved then I'll obviously factor that into the forecast all the changes but as of right now what is factored into the forecast moving past this fiscal year >> and so we would be you know it isn't just funding it this year it's like every year >> year over year >> all right my concern and it it has nothing to do with the performance of I mean, everybody is doing everything more than they need to do

200most of the time, but the fact is that, you know, we're in deficit spending. Is this the right time to be spending additional money? And I I put that out there to the board because it's a collective decision. >> Yeah, I your your point is valid. However, this is so long overdue for this group. This is the only How long have teachers been in a step program? Since the >> 7060 since the 70s. >> So this is uh eight 50 years overdue. 50 years over 50 years overdue >> for them. >> Well, I could speak to a little bit of it in my history here as an administrator. There was a time prior to the handbook where we had a basically a difficulty factor scale and we were and administrators were tied directly to the

201teacher salary and it was the teacher salary times a >> one point whatever whatever your position was and it depended um and then you would get the steps with the teachers. So as so you were placed on that schedule and you were placed on step 15 or 17 and you went to step 18, you would get that step raise and the whatever raise that they had negotiated. So it looked a little bit different. Um that became very expensive as our administrators started to get very so we switched to this handbook. Um and now kind of I think this is a good blend of both. And I I do agree with you that is well overdue. Um we did have some struggles with um finding some base you finding placing people within the old ranges that

202were there and this and for the for the administrators that we hired, I used the steps, I used the schedule, I made him the offer on there and they lined up. Um, so that you know it's a it's a small litmus test. Um, but it it worked out pretty well. >> Yeah. I I also think to continue on that I this is in my hopes going to avoid all of these oneoff pay adjustments that could end up actually costing us more. Now we actually have we talked earlier about having a policy and how important policy is. This is very black and white for this team and it's in my opinion going to avoid all these anomalies of us having a vote here for this person vote here for that person. Plus it's a differentiator because

203a lot of districts don't have these step programs for the same staff and uh I feel that the staff is the backbone of any school district and not having this kind of undervalues their importance and correct me if I'm wrong the increase is really due to a couple people getting that are low on the grade increase >> there's not a sweeping >> it's it's not a sweeping increase >> there are some there were some market adjustments made as well >> I think what ends happening makes it really difficult is that when you have a position that's avail that's that's open that you have a hard time filling and I'll say like the payroll position for example was really that is a tough position to fill in the school district um and and those are outliers

204and that creates problematic >> and and we do still have some outliers in in our current handbook we still do have some who don't necessarily fall within that schedule because of the past the the past that we've done and and all of that. And so we're trying to fix some of those as we move through. Um it's not perfect, but moving forward it's a lot better. I feel it's a lot better than we have. Um I think that it does kind of reset them. And also the other thing that's really important is it is it does adjust some of the job descriptions and we are asking people more. >> Can I ask a favor when we go forward on agendas? This is specific to the last two things that we separated. Perhaps we could put

205where the money is coming from so that the >> Did you >> last board meeting I think after the board meeting notate the account it's coming out of and then the situations where it's a title program. >> I think that would help the transparency. >> And then one minor thing we really could use some number of pages. >> That's a program issue. I don't know. We'll try >> just handrite them on each one >> because no one writing that wouldn't work either. >> Okay. So, I'm just going to try to look at this from the outside in is um you know people looking at we're hearing about deficit spending. We're hearing you know that things don't look good. We have to you know get some more money somehow to run the district. But yet, we're

206we're giving raises, a lot of raises lately. So, I'm just talking about the optics. >> I want to put it out there on the table to be totally transparent. >> I I I fully understand that and I I see both sides of it. I also know that we're giving the majority our largest group of, you know, we agree raised with them a long time ago and they're they're still getting that. That is the most expensive cost of out of any. is trying to write rights wrong in the most effective way we can um and get us back into a place where we can do that. I don't and I've shared this with everyone. I don't foresee this occurring in the future. Um you know I would hope that we would be at a place where

207we can continue to give raises. I don't think we give zeros or I don't think we just stop and all of that. I mean our we face the same challenges everybody else with inflation and all that. You know we need people to continue to work here and and where they are and as we make cuts, people do more and that's that's the reality of what it is. But I think this is >> this is one where I would say we're in a they're welld deserving and I will go on record. >> I'm not questioning and I will be able to fund it. >> Well, when people and I I I went to Dr. Thompson and we had those conversations when people come to me and say you're doing this. These are these are people who

208care about your kid who work for who work for your kid, you know, all the way I'm getting texts and emails about sixth grade camp going on right now from our assistant principal middle school um because they had to check in with somebody and all that. So they I mean they are literally they they give up a lot to have these jobs and we we expect that from them but they expect some things from us. >> So I want to add one more point and Mer again I I'll I'll double what I said earlier. I don't disagree with your feeling on this and I understand the optics behind it. So, I don't want to devalue that. But for the public in general, when you have a person, let's say they're making $100,000 just using an

209easy number. Any business will tell you if you lose that person, there's usually 60% of that on top of the hundred that you're going to pay to bring that to bring in a new person. Meaning, you bring in a new person. Now, perhaps they're looking for 110,000. There's 10,000 right off the rip. There's a lot of expenses that are associated with turnover that's more than just a person's salary. So having having a salary that's inviting to not only bringing people in but retaining people um doesn't always just meet the bill of what you see on the consent agenda for example there's there's a much higher cost. So there there is a cost savings in my opinion to having an adjust for equity which I think is the language we should be using more than raises

210because in this case I don't consider this a raise. >> Okay. And I know that as we've had people retire um and then hire someone else. We are realizing savings because somebody's been here for a long time. >> But again to Mr. >> or not replaced at all. >> Well not replaced at all is the ultimate savings but to Mr. 's point, we're not realizing the savings that you would think we would realize because that we were there if we're here for a long time. There's a market discrepancy in some cases. >> Okay. So, I'm just going to ask so if with our forecast that we can afford to do this and keep paying this or if there was let's say an issue on the ballot and it didn't pass, you know, I'm already hearing

211about a nearby district doing a pay. I'm just saying hearing all this in the news >> either whether we do like it doesn't make I mean Dr. Thompson shared that that doesn't Yes, we know that happens, but 4.3 million is a lot of $26,000 chunks that go and >> I know I I'm just saying that when you go across the board, you know, we don't know where we'll be. So that's >> I consider myself a pretty fiscally conservative person. Actually, a very fiscally conservative person. Um and and I think I have a history that supports that. People would say to my demise that that the case, but in this particular case when I walked in and found salary discrepancies like with Mr. Patrezy and with the secretary to the to the next >> Yeah, I

212know. But but it's an example, you know, across the board, you know, a secretary to the superintendent should is typically anywhere I've ever been is your highest paid secretary or or administrative assistant. I don't even want to call her a secretary, administrative assistant. Yet, she's nowhere near that. And it's it's because you you come into these positions and you take pay cuts essentially. So, as much as I hear you and agree with you, I feel like there's never a good time to do it. Let's be clear. There's never a good time to do it. But this is this is an issue that is just to me an issue of just flat out what's right and what's wrong. Um, and unfortunately it happened because it just wasn't it happens in a lot of places. because they

213don't develop salary schedules, which everybody should have. Um, and then moving forward, if we don't pass a levy, you know, we're going to be in a situation where we have to look at any kind of pay raise very differently. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Um, let's hope that the community sees value in what we do and trusts in that we're trying to be fiscally conservative and responsible. Um and and and I believe they will support us, but but ultimately if that happens, then you're going to hear recommendations from me very counter to what we're doing right now. >> I just want to do our due diligence and have this conversation. We don't talk. >> All right. No more discussion then call back. So we are voting on item L, the employee handbook for administrators and

214directors. Correct. >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi. >> Miss Grassy. >> Hi. >> Miss Kinsky. >> I >> Mr. Adino. >> Hi. >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. 50. >> Okay. We have one more. Motion to approve the item N on the personal consent agenda as recommended by the superintendent. Can I have a second? >> A second. Any discussion? >> So, one was the handbook and this is the >> This is the placement. This is the actual placement on the salary schedule. >> I mean, you couldn't do one without the other. >> No. >> So, I didn't put them together because I couldn't. So, we had to keep separate. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> I just >> Yeah, I think we've discussed it. We ready to call? >> Mr. Buyers. I >> Mr. Adino.

215>> Hi >> Mrs. Kreninski. >> I >> Mrs. Graassy. >> I >> Mrs. Brewster. >> Hi. >> Motion carries five. >> Oh, that bring us that brings us to curriculum and programming. >> Motion to approve the items listed A through D on the curriculum and program consent agenda as recommended by the superintendent. Can I have a second, please? >> Have a second. Any discussion? >> No, I just always love item A is the Riverside High School class of 2026. >> Congratulations to our graduates. We'll see you in a week. >> And how many? >> 36. I think >> maybe five, maybe seven. We're >> got a couple who are right there, but a couple fin there. There there's always those last couple two, three who we're we're working to get them through. So, anything else?

216>> Roll, please, Mr. Thompson. >> Miss Kinsky, >> I. >> Miss Grassy. >> Mr. Grassy. >> Mr. Adino. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi, >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi. >> Motion carries by vote. >> Next is buildings and grounds and operations. We have a motion to approve the items listed on the buildings and grounds operations consent agenda as recommended by the superintendent, items A through D. >> A second. Okay. Um, the facilities plan. Um, so we got the newer one and two here. Um, and so I just wanted to ask how since we're combining Melidge and Buckeye into another facility, what how did the Melidge meeting go? >> Uh, it went great. So the the attendants who were there understood they were they were sad um to some extent they unders they understood why

217we explained the whole reason the student as to why they were they were sad to see it just I mean sad to lose your community school just like every Madison Avenue um all the other ones they understood the difference uh they did say when we shared the plans and we kind of talked through what it was there was some excitement that it wasn't as large as Riverview Parkside that it was smaller. Uh we also shared that regardless of what happens, we need to redistrict. We talked openly about redistricting and how that was going to look and it's going to be um as we work through it. So um as we replace the transportation director, he's going to be or that person is going to be a huge part of that redistricting because they know where

218we pick the kids up from and kind of that. So I think that's a that makes it a bigger lift in some cases, but We'll look to get some other support from ESC from that. But it was it was a really it was it was a good meeting really. Um they they understood from from all the aspects they were excited about the Buckeye about looking at what Buckeye would look like. It wasn't that far from them to that aspect. Um and the fact that we have all intents to keep Melidge um and just that it was going to be used in some sort of educational facility. um they were they were good with it. So I think >> how I know it was primarily um >> future kindergarten parents. >> We had the we targeted

219the future kindergarten parents. Some of them stuck stuck around. Um as well as we had other parents show up. It wasn't as well attended. There were 25 people maybe at the most. It wasn't that big. >> And did the principal have any feedback? >> She has had um really no you talked to her a lot. Um She hasn't had anything other than the teachers are really excited because they have they get rooms with holes in the wall so they can team teach. So they're super excited about that. Um and they were they've they've already called dibs. So So they're like like we're not even in yet. Like you can't but it was no it was a it was a great suggestion. It was a productive meeting. Once we start to get some of our um

220drafts of what redistricting can look like, we will I would recommend we have some more of those to have those discussions with those families to kind of prepare them and then some open houses for them as well to kind >> There been a meeting with Buckeye parents just about what's happening with the construction plan and the plan. >> So, we're waiting on So, that will happen. Um yeah, that that will happen. We don't have the exact construction once the GMP comes through. >> We need to have that. We're going into summer. It's going to be hard to have that. So, we'll we'll have it >> as best we can, but no, we have not had a specific meeting done because we don't really Cleveland Construction hasn't provided us with the staging plan. >> Yeah. >>

221And all that what that looks like and what timing looks like. All they've all they've said is we're going to meet the deadlines and we're going to be open. >> So, they haven't prepped anything because we have a >> we still have a trailer there. Is that >> all part of And same thing at Mount Richriidge. They're going to remove that. >> Um that was that was agreed to by the board. >> So we have not heard from a company that schedule that is agreed. Um if we could push that off to the end of the summer that be better because it's storage right now. We need we need storage in this district. >> Okay. >> Um so that's what we would use it for. Mage is down four classroom. They have all that they

222need inside. We could have a storage place. I'm sure Mr. Alic would love it. >> So >> and just because You change 7 through 12 for Riverside, then your plan for Lamouth is what? >> 56. >> Five. >> 56. >> Just 56 >> going back to two years. >> Yeah. Be perfect. >> I'm just going to ask that when we decide on redistricting and we have those conversations that we let the parents and the PTO's PTO's PTAs know in advance. We did that when we did this previously. Um, you know, they have their elections for their officers early in the spring. Yes. You know, so that they can get their their >> fun. My intent was to really well >> prior to yesterday um yesterday's week, my intent was to have those meetings starting in

223November, share share the plan with the board November, work with them, and then after the after the start of second semester, start to have those meetings with our parents and PTOs and say, "Here's our thoughts." um open for feedback, but we kind of start to hit with some of our key communicators first so they can tell me what you know, they'll tell me what's wrong with it. Um and and I appreciate all of that and then we can make adjustments and tweaks and roll out the final plan after that. So, >> how many units of fifth grade are in Riverview and Park? >> Uh Parkside now has four and I think Riverview has five. So one on one fasting forward to lemouth being all fifth grade and sixth grade is that going to make a

224good portion of that building kind of under underutilized. >> No no they will because there are some specials rooms there too. Um it will be it will be a different type of education than some of these other group. I think what it will do is it will provide a large group depending where we are from gives us a lot of opportunity to make some changes to our program as well. Just like to note also item D that this will finalize our um >> relationship >> whatever relationship. Thank you with connect. >> Yeah. >> If we have no other discussion we call the role. >> Mr. Kensky >> I. >> Mr. Buyers >> I. Miss Graassy. >> Hi, >> Mr. Adino. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. >> And that brings us

225um for policy agenda. I believe we're removing the first reading. We'll be going through the third. >> We'll have a third first reading. >> Yeah, >> Mr. McIntyre did send it to me. >> Okay. >> So, I will get it out to the board. Um I'll even try to get out tomorrow. >> We can have it as a first read on our next on a Friday meeting. >> We want to have Do we time for all that discussion. >> That's fine if you want. >> I don't care. >> It's a small change. >> Okay. I will I will see what I can do. I do have to take my dad. I'll be out for a little tomorrow. I'll try to get to you. >> And just Yeah. So, we're not bringing up any other policies

226at this point. >> Item B is up for vote. >> Well, yeah. So, um yeah, hold on. Where's my page? Um so, um At this point, um, uh, I need a motion to accept the item B, adoption of new and revised board policies. Do I have a second? >> As recommended by the superintendent. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. And any discussion? >> Okay. All right. >> Uh, we are going to take the role, I guess. Thank you, >> Mrs. Grassy. >> Hi, Mr. Kinski >> I >> Mr. Buyers >> I >> Mr. Ino. >> Hi, >> Miss Ber. >> Hi. >> Motion carries. >> Right. That brings us to board of education business. We do have a motion to approve. >> Where did it go? >> Was it on the original?

227>> Yes. Is there a special resolution there based on it's the first in the bowl of >> so this all right I have a motion to approve a resol resolution declaring Is it necessary to raise annually an amount for school district purposes and requesting the state tax commission to estimate the respective rates at which it would be necessary to levy and add on property tax and a school district income tax on the earned income of individuals residing in the school district to produce that amount. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. Any discussion? >> Yes, please. Because I I would like to know the verbiage on this and add more property tax and a school district income tax. Like >> explain that to me because I know where >> Yeah. David from

228my office prepared it and I read it and I asked him the same question that you had. He said under the statute um when you go to the tax commissioner to ask the tax commissioner on the calculation that you ask for both even though your plan may be to only do the earned income tax if that is in fact the plan of the board but at least you have both numbers so you can compare >> well we've never so is there discussion Go ahead. >> I'm going to choose my words carefully because I'm I'm not sure how to proceed with this. So, we've had some preliminary conversations about this and my thoughts on a income tax for facility as well as um combining it with operational dollars is very difficult for me to come to

229terms with. I'm just going to be really honest with the community about that. Um property tax for facilities for me and and again I'm going to speak for myself because these are my Um, property tax for me on facilities is guaranteed dollars to pay off bonds as they mature and as the interest rates. We've had this conversation. Um, income taxes are not as um steady flow. Perhaps they they can fluctuate based on people's income. A bond levy for facility is is an exact science. is not going to give you more or less than what you need to pay off those bonds. So, I'm having a hard time with this. Um, and and I my hope was that we would separate these because it would be easier to ask for operational dollars with income tax and

230have property tax pay for facilities. That being said, we looked at the rates of inflation at 3%. We're going to add a 1% income tax which applies to every wage earner in the district including kids um and and retirees if they choose to work. Um the wage rate increases out there in the public right now are 2% and less. So that puts people at a net loss. I I have a problem with that with the rate things cost currently. That's my first item. I'll just move on. So, we haven't really had any conversation about joining OFCC and the AL program when it comes to this. We haven't had that conversation at this table about that topic. We have new board members who have not been exposed to that and that's a little concerning even if

231we decide not to move forward with that program. We've not had the conversation and I think we should have had that conversation. Um I I realize that we're way way way down on the total poll for receipt of funds from that EL program, but it doesn't mean that new legislators could not come into place and propose things that would say we've taken away school funding, but maybe we could give something back as far as facilities goes. I'm not saying that that will ever happen. However, we haven't had that conversation. Um, at the table, we've not had the real ability to talk about renovation versus new build. Um, in all previous conversations that we've had, especially when we've talked with OFCC, and I get it, they're not the end all be all of every conversation, but

232it has always come back that in a facility this age, and we saw it with some of the things that you brought to the table at our last buildings and grounds meeting. Um, with the examples of pipes and what they look like, I'm not sure that we can stick with the cost for renovation. We never know what we're going to come into. And again, we are now that would be encumbering our general fund for facility. So, I have I have an issue with that. Um, we haven't done an for our architectural firm. And just because we're happy with one doesn't mean that they we should not be going out perhaps for a facility that's this large and seeing what else there is out there that folks can offer for us. We've worked with others in

233the past, maybe have good experiences, maybe not. But um I don't know if we should have had that, but we haven't had that conversation at this table. We haven't discussed any of the other things that we need that are not addressed in the facility plan as presented this evening. Um we have Mrs. Brewster alluded to the fact that we had previously asked for mechanics a garage for our buses. That's not on this plan. And that I think was estimated at a couple million dollars when we had originally costed that previously. Um, we haven't discussed a need for a facility for our maintenance department. Um, and that was included in our previous plan. So, when we look at apples to apples, it really isn't apples to apples. Um, so we haven't had that conversation. We haven't

234discussed parking expansion here and where that falls. I don't know if it's included in the construction cost or not, but we had the conversation at buildings and grounds about perhaps expanding parking so that we can actually get our buses parked on paved lots so that we don't have to do under coding. Um so that's not in there. Um and we haven't talked about specifically about a functional board office where that would go and what that would look like. I think there's a lot of things we haven't discussed at the table and I recognize that the work that um Dr. Ratino and Dr. Thompson have put into this plan but it hasn't been discussed at the table. I I'm struggling with that. So, um, I'm just going to say this. This feels rushed to me. We

235did Rush in 2024 and I said no. And we did Rush in 2025 and we I said no. And just because it's different players in 2026, I I don't know that I can say yes just because it's different players. It still feels rushed to me. I have to say >> I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought you >> Okay. Yeah, I I wanted to say a couple things. Um, one of the things that is a concern to me is, and I said it before, it's, you know, what you need, what you like to have or want. And, you know, the operating critical. Um, how do you posture yourself to be possibly successful to get that done when you have, you know, a very, very difficult time right now in the economy that people are feeling. And I've

236had a lot of conversations. I go out of my way to just tap somebody. I I may have not talked to them in 10 15 years, but I give them a call and say, "What do you think?" And and all of this or I run into people and I'm not hearing a lot of positive support and it isn't that they we don't need it but everybody's feeling the pinch. And so the other thing that I found out um in one of my conversations was about we know what happened with this six-year um you know revaluation of our property but now a threeyear is coming up because between the sixyear, there's the three-year that's not as big a revaluation, but that is going to go up um and it comes from a pretty reliable source, 25%,

237the value will go up 25%, which means that your tax bill will probably go up 10%. So that will affect everyone who owns a home in our community. Um, I know that this um, you know, uh, income tax, earned income tax would not affect seniors, but there's a lot of seniors that I mean, they're working at drug, they're working other places to make ends meet and and it will affect them. Um, yeah, maybe it doesn't dive into their um, pension or whatever, but people are paying taxes. So, you know, it's like it I've done a lot of thinking about this and and I have concerns. I I I just um want to feel like we're putting ourselves in a position where people might, you know, consider one over the other. Um but one one other

238person I talked to said, you know, might not be a bad idea to put up um the um operating portion if that's 75. and also the 0.25 in the same election because I know you didn't want to go back and then you know let people vote and then we'll know where we stand rather than lump it all together and that might cause people to vote no on when they would have maybe voted yes and maybe a no. You see what I'm saying? We don't know. So, no one has a crystal ball to know how a result will come out. I'm just listening to the feedback that I'm hearing and I'm sharing and and concerns that I have. >> All right. There's hesitancy. If we were voting on seal coating the parking lot and the vote

239ended up being three 3 to2, I wouldn't lose any sleep over that. But if this board would be split today on something as serious, this is about as big as it gets for district, then I'm going to have a hard time swallowing that pill because if this board is split, then the community is going to be split. And I take personally I take your reservations seriously for both of you. I respect your opinions. I I would definitely not be in favor of two things on the ballot at the same time because you're it's you're you're leaving it up to the community to go into the ballot box and try to determine which one's which. And we know how the state's going to write the langage and you engineering degree to read the darn thing. Uh

240so if that were the case, I'd ra if we were picking one route I'd rather just be than operational than having two things on the ballot. But I'll go back to my original point. I understand your hesitancy and I respect that. I would prefer personally for this board to be as close to 5 as we can get on something this big. And I think that causes me pause as well. Yeah, I I I guess we put the resolution of necessity on here and I think Must I guess where I'm struggling is you said let's put it on. We need to vote on this. So, and we left we didn't put it on last month because we wanted to make sure that there was an update and some discussion. So, some of these things have been

241discussed and I I guess I'm I don't know. I'm at a loss for the fact that I'm still not clear on what it would take to make sure that everybody was in line with how we move forward with this. I'm still not clear. Again, this is different. It has a different risk. I think we're in a different times. I'd rather have a bond issue day in day out. Personally, um to me, I'm going to pay earned income tax, which is going to be a lot more than what I would have paid in an increase in property taxes. So, I don't disagree. I don't disagree that I would love a bond issue because it's guaranteed money for that issue, right? I I agree with all that. So, I understand it. Um, but we got to figure

242out a way to move forward. And right now, I think we have limited options and I think doing something different is always scary and I think we have to just go ahead and move forward. I mean, we um I know you've been consulting with a lot of different people. I know Mr. McIntyre's consulted with you. Um, there's just been a lot of consultation. We've talked we've done a lot of a lot of work on this. Um we've talked with a number of community members, a number of stakeholders. Um and and all of that. Um it is a very different approach than anything we've ever done before and we know that. Uh it's something that really um does have a different different look and feel to it. Um it's a it it's going to be a

243hard explanation. Whatever you do with the earn income tax, that's a that is incredibly hard to explain who it impacts and who it doesn't and when it impacts and when it doesn't and and all of all of that um all of the work that we have done in in everything says we have needs 1A and 1B. We need to operate. We need to update our facilities. I mean both of those come to that. Um I understand And I I do not disagree with you the need to look for a different facility for a bus garage, look for a different fac look for a different solution. I don't even know if it's us having the facility anymore to be completely honest. And that's that is something we are looking at what all of those options are

244down the road and what they look like. And I think that's one of those that might even be an out of the box thought um that we have started to look at all kinds of different options. Um but what comes back again in any type of community feedback, any type of discussion is we have to address this building and and it's a and it's a we have to address this building and we have to keep the services we have um in both cases. So that that to me is facility and and operating and I think that's that's where you know and yes I talk to a lot of I do I talk to a lot of stakeholders who are supporter of the schools. I I I talked to different crowds than you, Mrs. Ber. I

245understand that we are and I I appreciate that that aspect to the other side of it and I I encourage I go out and I seek out those other opinions that are out there because I want to hear their hear their side to kind of continue to say I I hear you and I understand what you are saying and this is kind of why we're putting it out there. I think to where we are, this this fits what I've heard from the community continuing again and again and again and it is different. Um and and it is not perfectly planned. I I I fully I will be the first to admit that it is not. Would I love another year to do this? Yes, I absolutely would. Um but I I go back to really

246and truly we're going to ask for a certain amount of money 75 you now and then we go back a little bit later to you know it's it's the I ask for $10 now then two months later back and ask for five more why don't I just ask for 15 at the at the start and I think that's that's a part of it we have been as diligent as we can to build these contingency in um into the process along the way um I we I believe we've listened. It is it is something very different for the district. I understand the risk. I understand I understand the trepidations that are that are absolutely coming out. I also feel strongly that our community needs a chance to make that decision on do they want to keep

247what they have currently and take a chance to to update the facilities. It's what they've seen and they have that input into it. I think they can't have that. I think they want that, but they also understand they need to have a budget and they they're okay with that. Um I think they're they're looking for they're excited about Buckeye and then the changes that are there. They love the new schools. Um but I think that they also love this school, the tradition that's in this school and the fact that we continue and keep this school specifically change it to make it modern, to make it to make it safer. All of those things that we can do, I think we owe them a chance to to to tell us yes, we're in or try again.

248And that's that's really what we're going to do. And anything we put on the ballot, it doesn't matter what we put, it's an uphill fight. May prove that. Right now, it is very difficult to ask anyone for more money. Yet, everyone needs the same. We all need And it's it's all of that. The only one that seems to be able to ask for more money and not get any push back is the gas station right now. Have to ask. >> Yeah, >> that's true, too. And I think that's where we're at is when we go to ask right now with where we're at. >> I know we're fighting uphill. Dr. Thompson knows we're fighting up. We're behind it. But I also think we owe it to the people who have asked us again and again

249have said that to them every single survey that we've ever had. We need to address the facilities. We owe it to them to take a shot at it. >> Yeah, this is this is this is tough for me as well. Um when I decided to run, I wanted to you know treat the school district the taxpayers money I hear everything Bruce was saying Belinda Joe to Joe's point I don't feel that we are aligned I I do love the vision I don't like the idea of going to the taxpayers with 7.75 earned income to get facilities. So, you know, that's going to be incredibly hard on our wage earners, our parents are struggling as it is. So, I think to to get I think we need to get a line as a board and you

250know, I think I'd like to make a mot to this. >> I don't think we need to rush into this. >> Well, so I just want to we can do that, but I want to make sure the board understands if we table it. That means we probably will not hold with anything in November. We'll probably wait until next year. But it sounds like there needs to be a lot more discussion and also um the time to get anything moving as far as the campaign committee or just get information out to um the district. It will take some time. So I think um Mr. Thompson, you had already commented on that previously. I think you were looking in what month did we get together for board retreat? March. >> Yeah, I think that's what you were

251looking to say. We have to make a decision there and it's kind of continue to be pushed down the road. So I just want to make sure that we all think about that. Also >> if we let's say it was May instead of November, what does that do for the state receiverhip problem? What does that do for the operating monies? >> The the it's a huge stressor on us from forget about the building for right now. um just operating because that puts us a whole another year in deficit spending. Makes our hole deeper. So right now we're digging out of a million dollar hole. Next year we're digging out of a near I I'll be more comfortable telling you an exact number here in a two months, but uh it's going to be somewhere near

252four to five million hole. So that either means that by delaying a year, we spend another year in deficit spending, digging our hole deeper. We either ask for more for operational dollars or we stay where we stay at a lower number knowing that we're not going to be off the ballot. We're going to have to be back on the ballot say three or four years down the road. And our last discussion or at least discussion. I'm recalling the board was indicating they wanted to go five to seven years without being back on the ballot and wanted a forecast that would show that. So, I can forecast this out and I will do that. I'll have that ready for our next finance committee meeting, next board meeting, what does x number of dollars look like with

253passage in May? So, >> so, so we can look at what what it would look like in May. And it doesn't matter, you know, May or November collections don't begin. It wouldn't begin half wouldn't begin until January. Now, that's if it's a property tax. And I I've never done an income tax, but what what I'm hearing on income taxes is it's about two years before we hit full collections versus a property taxes, immediate half collection that started in January of the upcoming year and then full collection that um next fiscal year. So that's it depends on what we ask for. So our window gets tighter and tighter if we were to go income income tax starts to get less of an option as we get further >> in a hole. Does that make sense? because

254of the delay that it's going to take to get the full collection. >> Okay, thank you for that. Um, here's my thought. We have two board members that have hesitancy for valid reasons that causes me to have pause for a variety of reasons. That doesn't take away my interest in the project. It doesn't take my way my interest in the needs. And we have a third board member who is suggesting that we table this. We don't necessarily have to, correct me if I'm wrong, we don't have to until the June meeting. Maybe we find this is an urgent matter. Maybe we find a meeting relatively sooner where we can table this and address some of the issues that Miss Crossy brought up, some of the issues that Miss Ber brought up so that we can

255finally say we're voting on this today. Not today and we move forward there. I think we need to put the work in. I think there is stuff that is Please remember we will just and I'll give you exact dates but we have to pass two resolutions. So if the board intends to be on the ballot this November for something >> and let's say operational and no building um or if it is a building we have we have and an income tax is 110 10 days out a regular property tax is 90 days out and we have to pass two resolutions and there needs to be about two weeks probably in between the resolutions because we got to go to the County Auditor's Office. They've got to get us information. >> This would be the first

256resolution. >> This is the first This is the first resol, >> right? So, the second resolution would be >> we have >> whenever we get the information, >> we have plenty of time to do to do a second resolution, but I'm saying if if this isn't the direction we're going to go and we need have we need a totally different resolution. So, this resolution would not work. Go ahead, Mr. >> One thing I was just going to mention with this being the first resolution, this is only requesting the information. The second resolution is what actually makes sense. So you can still do this one without >> you could just say you know >> so today if we voted yes today this this is not setting anything in stone and it could technically all be >>

257but but it would be getting us information on a one just keep in mind it' be a 1% >> um we would do the work for this current project and present all the other >> so so if it's going to be something very different which I assume if there's not a building involved it is going to be a different number it's not going to be this that we need another resolution. Anyways, >> so let me ask a question. You know me, I when I ran in 2009, the very first thing I talked about was facilities. That was my thing. So I I want people to understand I'm not against facility. You all know that. That was my thing. We've got to replace all of the facilities that we have in this district. And we're getting

258there, right? I I don't I I want people to understand that's not where I'm coming from. The urgency for me is we've got to pass operating dollars and and for me that's our first and foremost concern. We have to pass some operating funds. I get it. And and again, had this just been for operating dollars and we had separated that in some way, shape or form, we said, "Hey, I don't even know if we're ready to go for facility yet because we've got some more vetting to do whatever. You guys want some information? I could vote for that today. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there there like I want to be clear that I have I I sense the urgency for the for operational dollars and I get it and we need to

259do that and we need to move forward with that. And I certainly don't want to wait. We're going to do income tax. You certainly can't wait till 2027. Got to get my years right. 2027 because the tax then wouldn't hit till 2028. >> Absolutely. >> So your your tax Well, no. your tax. You can't vote an income tax into effect for the same year you're voting. >> That's what I'm saying. I'm saying if you're voting for if we got it that quickly, I would be happy. >> So, if you're voting for an income tax in 2027, I want to make sure that the board understands this as well. If you're voting on it in 2027, the income tax doesn't hit people's paychecks until 2028, and they're not paying that tax till April 2029. So >>

260we're not pay right like you you may get it taken out of your paycheck on a quarterly basis in 2028 and we'll get that quarterly but we're not seeing that full collection until the year 2029. So I understand that that is that's a concern. So if you if you're going to go for operational dollars it has to be this year. makes the most sense as far as your question on fiscal what was your question like when we go into fiscal insolveny >> oh yeship >> right you first go into caut I can't I don't remember which one caution watch >> it goes goes caution watch >> and then receiverhip right and and that's a process and your first step is say oh we'll pass a levy that's your plan >> course you That's everybody's plan

261is we're going to pass a levy. Good luck, right? Um so it's not immediate. It's a process >> 29 probably year that we go into >> and then you have to ask them for money and then and then forget it. So um I'm gonna ask whether or not it would be prudent because we have questions. There's people on this board and it's doesn't sound like it's just me who have some concerns about like can we just get more information on facilities? Can we separate the two? Can we go for the operational dollars? The urgency behind fixing this facility, but is another year going to kill us so much that that it's not possible. If it makes if it makes everyone more comfortable, would that not be a better plan? I don't know. It's not for

262me. And I guess I guess my on the other hand I say I don't know let the community vote on it then. I don't know like I don't know what to say. It's their choice if they want to vote on it and we want to put it up. It's up to the community. It certainly isn't up to me because that's the last time we put the levy on the not up to me. This is like let the community vote on it. So I think during our last conversation I think there was a portion of the board that was not comfortable knocking on the door twice. Right. That was kind of how we described it. Right. Um, and then I think there's a portion of the word I know I'm not comfortable put I I guess

263I cannot go along with a bond issue at this point because I don't think that our odds are great based on the county we're in and noise that's going on here. I I just I think that's even a >> facility >> bond is for Yeah. And again I agree with not separating them because Would it be horrible to get our facilities approved but not our operating money and then we don't have operating money to run our facilities? Like I don't know. I have a struggle with separating them also. So I either think we have to say we're going to go for both at the same time because there's a portion I I know I'm again I don't feel like knocking on the door twice either. So I'm right with you Mr. Ardino. Um or we

264We're just going for the operating money and somewhere down the road. I I think that puts us in a bad position though because again that goes back to knocking on the door twice. So I don't know. >> Yeah, I I I do think that if we wait and focus on May, it looks completely different. And and I say that because we can't go into another year saying, "Oh, we're 4.7 million in the hole and what happens in May pass." You know, at that point we have to have a plan and that like they were threatening. And I don't think that I don't want this to be that at all. I want this to be the exact opposite. I want this to be a we like the services we have. We appreciate the services. We want

265to keep the services, the level of services that we have and not have any changes. And we want that new we want we want both. And this is the one opportunity that you can have both. And we and and and the cell is put your trust in us. We understand. And that's a hard thing to do. I I fully understand again I will go back to this is an uphill battle but I think in May it looks like well what happens if it doesn't pass and this the answer to the question in November is what happens if it doesn't pass well we look to we we go back we look really at operations because that is what we need to stay open that's a different look and that's a totally different ask and we still

266even if we have operations if you look at Wickliff who passed the 1% income tax and they said they were making all of those cuts and and they cut fully funed participate sports and all that. They are still doing that for the next year after kindergarten at all because the income tax doesn't collect immediately and they need to wait. So those those changes that they made are still being impacted for at least one school year because of the way an income tax collects. And I and I think that's a that's a challenge that comes up where here's our opportunity to do something and and do something different and and take a chance and And like Mr. Grassi said, put it to the community to say yes or no. Um I mean up or up or

267down. And I understand to your sense I I understand that that the absolute desire to have that full 50 when we passed Parkside and Riverview that vote was 32 and it still came through and passed. And I'm not saying you like I'm not saying to to like it is your will and I will Dr. Thompson and I will do we will work hard either way. We will come back with all the information. We will do all of all of that that needs to happen so that you do feel comfortable. Um but I know that we didn't just do this because hey we want I mean I think he said it himself. He never thought that for the same dollar amount we could redo the high school and actually renovate it as the plan had always

268talked to to do that renovation to keep a lot of what the what the community has said that they they appreciate that that's a that's an available option that's out there and I think we are even in it doesn't mean we're not going to be lean we when we forecast it out we're still lean through the ways and it's not this whole we're not going to be flushed with cash after after this comes in place by any some strategic you know working along the way but I think this is what we we've heard the feedback from the community we made this this discussion based on all that I think to the to the portion of the all of the OFCC we can go through all that we can share that we continue to tell you

269what it is I think our state share is 6% return >> or nine and on average going to OFCC standards all the way is a 20 15 to 20% investment um >> of additional cost. >> We'd lose money together. >> But but you're right. We we we need to share that. We need to look that up. We need to come back and share some of that. I >> But I I think we've gone to the to the I mean to the people who have done this and who do this and ask them can we do it for this and can we make this work and they have they have said this this can work for that. It doesn't address everything. It's not perfect. I I understand that and I You know, there are there are

270things I would love to love to address and we're going to have to work creatively and hard to fix those. Whether it's how we do the the paving work in whether it's finding a warehouse, whether it's something else, whether it's even more shared services. Um, and we're leaning towards that anyway. But I think that's where we are in this in all of us. >> Yeah. One question I had was what does the 1% income tax equate to in How many bills is it? You'll get that when we you'll get the official number if this is passed and we'll get it back. >> But I mean in order to achieve that dollar amount, we must have a ballpark something. >> If we were to put this in traditional millage, we would need five mills to operate

271in four and a half to five mills. Have to pull the numbers. So we'd be looking at 9 and a half to 10. Well, you can't take a half mil, nine or 10 mills to do both. And I don't think there's any but well I won't say any there's no but I don't think there's any rational reasonable person that would say yeah today's climate in any climate to try >> I think the other thing that this is very different that we are counting on using this mechanism funding is it's not subject to house bill 920 and it grows with inflation but it grows with wage earners and we've impact we've forecasted 2% growth um in terms of wages. It is not although the income tax itself will be continuous to the individual earner and when

272you stop working you stop paying. Um so it's not a 30-year commitment or a 35 year like a bond issue. Um, so I' I've thought that for now, yes, it might cost me more in a 35 year if I stay in my house for hopefully I make it for 35 years, but if I stay that long, it might actually not cost me more. It might be less because I may not, you know, when I when I retire, I stop paying it unless I get some other job. And so I think that's uh that's it's again very complex. It's hard enough to explain property taxes to people. This is going to be even harder and we know that. Um, and but what we know is when we talk about people in property tax, it's a hard

273note to start and then maybe you can claw back a little bit from them, but it's a like that's a hard note to start. This is a well tell me more and and at least they're starting to listen and it's still I mean it's they're we're still looking at a 38% chance of passing. Maybe they'll get Mayathematically is way easier to that it is. >> Yeah, you don't have to explain. That is true. >> Well, we we have um Madam President, we have a motion on the table to table this. >> We have a motion. We don't have >> I don't think he motioned. You just >> I think it was part of the discussion. >> So, we don't have a motion. >> No, it was just a discussion. Should we >> got it? Okay,

274understood. >> Because it's not in front of us. I hate to ask you this. Could you read it out loud one more time? A resolution declaring it necessary to raise annually an amount for school district purposes and requesting the state tax commissioner to estimate the respective rates at which it would be necessary to levy and add rollum property tax and a school district income tax on the earned income of individuals residing in the school district to produce that amount. >> But where's the amount? >> It's in the body of the res. >> It's in the body. It's 13.3 So we could decide to go property after this vote >> and it would be based on the amount that would take >> right >> you could. Yes. So whatever information >> you get back two numbers

275you'll get back what an income tax would generate which we are estimating we have to be one and then you get a specific million off of that 13 million whatever the exact number is. >> I'll leave it to the lawyer to answer this. The key verbiage in this whole paragraph is requesting the state tax commissioner to estimate the respective rates. >> Right? So what you do in this resolution is you declare that you need so much money and now you're after having made that declaration, you're asking the state tax commissioner to determine what the earned income tax percentage would be in order to raise that much money. There's to me there's no downside to voting yes on this as a resolution. At the end of the day, it's just asking for information. We are not

276voting to put on a levy yet. That's the second resolution. It's also asking for um the combined versus whether we're doing operation only or what I'm saying is is the I wish we had two so we could see all. >> It's not specific. But that doesn't mean that between now and getting it back or putting a second resolution on the agenda that we can't change our mind and decide collectively that we've decided to go differently and maybe just go for operations, right? Like in November. Th this is my concern as I said in March. You need to make a decision board in March because our window to to do an effective levy campaign. It's not just having some popular person in your town send out some emails or or put some signs in a yard

277to run a true campaign and and and Mr. Krosinski can speak to this from personal experience. It takes a ton of work and a coordinated effort and a lot of fundraising. It's It's not as simple as it might seem on the surface. And we're already to the point where I'm beginning to get uncomfortable with even thinking we can even have a puncher's chance with the limited amount of time to explain this very complex issue to a community. And I and I'll I'll say I've said it before, I'll say it I've said it a thousand times. The hardest thing about being an administrator and being in Dr. Ratino's shoes, the hardest thing he has to do, the hardest thing is how does he effectively communicate? People don't listen. People don't come. People are engaged in their

278own lives. And this is very unique and very different. And you you can't launch a campaign based on this discussion. >> Well, if we were to have a decision in March. March was the first time we heard about a combined levy. So, I'm just putting that out there. >> Well, I'm not saying it's the board's fault. Please understand. I just >> I'm just saying had we never even had that conversation that came out at our board retreat. >> That was news to me. Like, right. I I'd never heard that before. So >> understood. >> So it's not very much time from being presented with something to being asked to make a decision on the biggest dollars this district has ever asked for. >> Well, that's not true. >> Yeah, it is. We've never asked for

279that much money at one time. >> Oh, both projects combined. Sure. Sure. >> Dr. Are you saying that you have a concern that if we all vote to move forward with this resolution that that combined with the hesitancy there's an issue for you there? >> I don't see how you launch a campaign based on this discussion which is >> I don't think you can launch a campaign until you vote for resolution number two. >> Until you vote for resolution number two, there's nothing to promote yet because decided to move forward. This is just a request for the state to give us some data. >> But I think what Dr. Thompson is saying, it's giving a perspective of where the board is heading. >> That's I think is what >> I I I do think that

280I think also we need to if we put this on, we're going to have questions. So we need to have some information out at least to say what this is and what we're looking to do and what it means and start to answer some of those questions. Um that we are serious about proceeding in this direction. Um, so I think voting to go and look for this is also to say yes, there's a need and we absolutely see this and we're serious about doing both and we're taking a look at it. And I think I I think both things can be true. Um, at the same time I think if we say just do this and say nothing um that hey we pass this and then it's nothing then it's like I think that's bad

281too. I think we have to say we are truly investigating. We have some questions if it's a short period of time and we can say that. But I do think we have to also be honest to honest to all of our stakeholders that we are serious about this and we are we are serious that we are looking into it and we are um we we need this and I think there's all of that and I I I understand we're I I can see both sides of this. I really can. I think that that's uh I think what what I would ask is whatever comes from this is we get the specifics to what needs to happen, we get those to you as quickly as we can in an expedited fashion. Um make some recommendations and

282really truly move forward with the people who are there and get to it as soon as we can knowing and we said this going into it the whole time. It isn't going to be perfect and we and we knew that the whole way. We know it can generate from it's different than a bond. It it it really is and it's a different look because a bond you get the money you get for a bond and that's it. Um and I think this is when we start to get the numbers together. We start to figure out what do we need for phase one and what do we need for phase two and we start to make sure we can work through some of that. We value engineer through both of those projects as as they go

283through. we you know that's a that's a portion of it that's there and I think that that this board is committed to that and not just to take in a an excess of money but to say yes we are going to use a portion of that to address our facilities um and to make sure that we can do both operate and do facilities as this as this grows because that's the other part of it that is different than anything else is the is the growth as it goes. So you're going to see things happen you're going to see design may not is a typical bond issue because we do need to grow it. If it passes in May, it looks different because the collection's even slower. So even then, you're not going to get shovels

284on the ground for a whole another year and a half or so. And trying to explain that to people is even harder. And I think this is this is the chance to say, and I'll say it again, this is the one chance we can say, you know, we're going to try to do both. This is the time when we can do both. We're not g What happens if it fails? Okay. fails, we go back to the drawing board and we see what we need and we make a true decision at that point and in May we have that decision where what happens if May fails well at that point the student experience is going to change and we know that that's going to happen that's a part of it but we don't we don't have

285to do that this time that that to me is such a significant ask for our community is give them a chance to say we're doing a good job we talk about the surveys that have been sent out and all these different people that have responded the strongest survey is election day. Um, so I I I see where you're coming from there and I I see the value behind that because that's that's the biggest survey you can put out there, frankly. Um, how additionally, I would hate now that we know the language of this and what it really means to vote yes or no today. I would hate to not vote yes because hypothetically the board may vote no for the second resolution. I don't want to take that chance when there's thousands of students in

286whatever our staff quantity is relying on us to do the right thing, which we haven't yet to determine what that is. So, I would hate for us to vote no simply because hypothetically the second resolution could >> any additional discussion, >> Mr. So to be clear, you are voting to pass the resolution of necessity. >> Oh, >> that's what you're voting for. >> Okay, >> I stand with my eye. >> I just wanted to clarify for all. >> That's a fair question. Mrs. Kreninski. >> Hi, >> Mr. Buyers. >> Hi, >> Miss Brewster. >> No, >> Miss Mrs. Grassy. >> Hi, Motion carries 41. >> I would ask the board if you guys have any specific questions that we can have Dr. Tino and Dr. Thompson get additional information. I know they've done a lot

287of work on this. They've consulted a lot that has not all come out. Um but please send those if you could you can send them to me with all the board members copy. That way everybody's aware of the questions being asked. If there is additional information, I'd really love for us to make sure we're getting that in front of them to get us answers. Um, all right. Board of Education updates. Anybody in a minute? Um, I I just real quick, um, I just And now that um, Mr. McIntyre is here, we we do want to set up some some type of a meeting, you know, in, you know, the not too far distance that uh we hear about the casement agreement. We have new board members, everybody, no one's feeling comfortable about how to explain

288it. Um we don't need to spend a lot of time, but we would like to be able to go over it so that we see what the schedule is um and about the tiff and the payout. Absolutely. I I that keeps getting lost. >> So So you mean like a um something on the board agenda where Mr. Mc addresses the board. Is that what you mean? >> Or whoever's going to do it. >> It would probably be my partner David C. >> I'd be happy to >> overview. >> I know >> he's not quick. >> I was going to say that's three hours. How much lie? >> We'll do our best. >> Any other board updates? Uh I would just like to congratulate the teachers who were recognized last night at the number one club.

289Um It's always an awesome event. I wish I could have been there, but I just saw some posts today about some teachers who were just so thrilled to to get recognized some by some of the students that they had during COVID years. So, that was really great. >> Any other board of education updates? All right, next meeting announcements. We have a curriculum and programming committee meeting June 17th at 7:30 a.m. I believe we have one. Let me go back one. We have a special meeting on >> May 29th. >> Thank you. >> May 29th at 7:30 a.m. Um finance and personnel committee meeting June 18th at 7 a.m. Buildings and grounds committee meeting June 23rd at 7:30 a.m. Board of Education meeting June 23rd. We're starting at 5:00 p.m. with a working session going into

290our regular meeting at 6 p.m. >> Did I get them all right? >> Yes. Can somebody meeting invites and change the dates. >> Oh, do you not subscribe? >> So, I add them to the calendar. Do you subscribe to the board calendar or send the invites out? I don't I've always added >> No, we need them send. >> Okay, I'll set the So, I throw them in the calendar. We'll get them set up. >> Well, because otherwise it doesn't hit my personal. >> That's fine. >> Can you I just didn't know. That's my bad. June 23rd is a 5:00 p.m. Exactly. 5 p.m. >> Yeah, for the strategic plan. All right. Be it resolved that the Riverside Local School District Board of Education hereby adjourns to executive session at 10:03 p.m. For the purpose of

291discussing the appointment, employment, dismissal, discipline, promotion, demotion, or compensation of a public employee or official, Riverside Local School District Board of Education hereby designates all matters discussed in this executive session as strictly confidential and finds that this designation is warranted because of all the stat because of the status of this matter. The need to preserve confidentiality to properly conduct the business of this board of education. Can I get a second? I'll second. Thank you. Can you call the role, please? >> Mrs. Credinski, >> I. >> Mrs. Graassy, >> I. >> Mr. Adino, >> hi. >> Miss Brewster, >> hi. >> Mr. Buyers, >> I. >> Motion carries. >> All right. Can we get a real quick Welcome.