001Good evening and welcome. >> No, that's right. >> Welcome to the uh January 28th uh yellow school board work session. Um Jay, will you go ahead and call the role please? >> Otter >> here. >> Noers >> here. >> Arizona here. I I forgot my name. >> Michael >> here. >> Bailey >> here. >> Thank you. Okay. So, tonight um what we plan to do is to have a group discussion on um our proposal that we've been presented from our administration regarding the school starts for next school year. Um so first off we will go ahead and um review the communications that came in regarding this topic. So we started talking about this um in our our January meeting and so we've had the opportunity for uh parents and community members to send in any
002um communications that they have, concerns, questions. Um so the first one we received was for from Dorothy Bup and her questions um sorry my computer's not loading up now but her questions uh stemmed from um her first question was if we have a child at both buildings but we live too close to one of the buildings to qualify for the bus route will both children be able to ride? Um, and then also how will the bus pickup uh times be adjusted and how early is the first pickup currently? And then we had another communication from Kelly Patron and her question um was has a 4 day per week eight hour day schedule been discussed and to allow for a three-day weekend and does this plan allow for enough time to drop off at both school
003locations. I think her question was more if I drop my kid off at Mills Lawn first, will I have time to get high school first, will I have time to get to Mils by the 8:15 structuring? And then Aaron Ritter uh was curious about the time change for the earliest drop off. Will the time change for the earliest drop off? So the way I think she was interpreting her question was currently we can drop off as early as 7:50 for Rosewan. Will that time change? Will it be if we start at 8:15, will the drop off earliest time now be 8:05 or will it stay 7:50? Um, so we appreciate those questions and uh that feedback. We hopefully we'll get to those um answered most of those answered this evening. Um, but those were the
004only three we received so far. Um, so we'll go ahead and turn it over to Dr. Golden. There there have been a few more. I know folks have asked not to have their communication publicly shared. I mean, we know all it's a public record, but we have incorporated their questions into our um presentation and comments. >> And then we will have community comments if we have any members that show up, ask questions. [laughter] All right. So, I will go ahead and uh turn and there'll be no voting this evening. Um nothing will be decided. This is just for us to discuss together as a group. So, I'll turn it over to uh Miss Wston and Dr. Holden for the presentation. I I'm going to um pass it over to Megan Wston because she's done um
005the heavy lifting for this and we have talked since our last meeting. She and I have talked and so we are both aligned in this presentation. Um but she's going to go through it with you again and then add some things. We have both Jack Hatter and Becca Keeper here tonight to answer questions from a building perspective and then we hope that we can have a Q&A with the board and and you can ask us questions and we can answer them and um move move forward. So, like President Bailey mentioned, um we did discuss this at the regular board meeting in early January. Since then, we were able to put out a letter to families. Um trying to give them all of the information. We want to be as transparent as possible. Um, and then
006we also have this agenda and the letter that was sent home to families attached to the agenda for tonight. I think I want to first start off um because we did have questions and comments and thank the families and community members who um use that communications at ysschools.org. We know um that sometimes it's easy to go to social media, but we want to be able to be as transparent as possible and when you use that email to submit your concerns or your questions or just hey, I really like this idea, then we have an opportunity to publicly respond um and respond in the right way because sometimes when you use social media um in accuracies are, you um um in replies and it just sometimes um gives a adverse reaction to something that can be
007settled in this type of setting. So I want to thank all of those um families who um submitted questions and comments. So, we will go ahead and for anyone that missed the last presentation, I will kind of briefly go through and add a few things since the last time we met based on some meetings um with bus drivers and more information that we were able to gather. So, the proposed schedule is to start Mills Lawn at 8:15 and their school day would end at 2:45 and that would be kindergarten through fourth grade. And then for middle school, high school, it would be 800 am to 3 pm. And I think one of the comments that we are hearing the most is about um sleep for those older students. And we know that that research is
008out there. We we know that research. We understand that research. We feel that 8 o'clock is a good balance. um and and kind of digging into it. The research also says that continues in to that early 20s. Um and many of our students who we are preparing for the future are going to have employment or they are going to have education or they are going to enlist and and those organizations are going to have some earlier start times. I don't know about you, but I remember my uh Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 8:00 a.m. class that I had to get up and and go to as a freshman in college. So, next slide here. All right. So, what are you proposing and and kind of why? um minimize disruption, instructional disruption, um making sure that we have
009a regional um alignment to other districts and to our ESC [clears throat] that provides a lot of our related services. Um strengthen supervision for staff of students. um to really align the schedules. Especially now that we are getting ready to go to kindergarten through fourth grade and fifth through 12, we will have more teachers um going back, you know, back and forth from buildings and then also transportation efficiency. So like Dr. Holden mentioned during [clears throat] the regular meeting in January, we have a discipline referral process that bus drivers can use to submit referrals directly to the principles who can then handle it at the building level. And we had um oh sorry my instruction I know I'm on the instruction sorry we had um we have 23 dismissal early dismissal support um students and
010we have um 10 missed classes because the time that the students are getting out is not early enough for the buses to get to those extracurricular activities. So for a bowler um like Dr. Holden said in the last meeting of 10 missed classes that so that last class of the day they are missing it 10 times and that is athletics. I also talked to a mother last night um around six o'clock and had a discussion with her about her child who attends um Yellow Springs. And her child really is in a lot of the um the plays and does more of the fine arts. And one of the specific examples that she gave me last night is when her son is participating in a play and play practice does not end until 9:00 because they
011start later. Her son is not getting home until 9:30 or 10:00 at night. And I said, you know, this is really one of those um equity issues that we need to consider because many of our students live within the district, but we value and we welcome our open enroll students. And we have to remember that when we end at 8:30 or we end at 9:00, some of those students are not getting home in 10 minutes because they're in the village. some of those students and some who are driving on back roads are getting home at 9:30 or 10 o'clock at night. And she said with her son who is involved in many different extracurricular activities that happens quite frequently. So if we could start a little bit early she said you know even if my
012son kept holding that would be that would be great. All right. So, um strengthening supervision and just being prepared for the school days. Now, we're kind of shifting from students to to staff. Um students are arriving um with teachers at Mills Lawn. Students walk in at 7:50, teachers walk in at 7:50. as educators um know that is very difficult to prep while you have students walking in the door that you need to supervise and that you need to help kind of regulate for for the day. So that's very difficult for teachers. And then the secondary um issue is that students and teachers dismiss together. So if there's an issue that comes up during the school day and Mr. had needs to talk to that teacher. Um or if two teachers need to collaborate then they
013are leaving when the students do. They don't really have that time to to collaborate. Um and then adjusting times allows staff presence before school and after school and it also allows teachers to have collaboration time at each of the buildings. Now, we do know that it was brought up that the the times aren't kind of adding up. People didn't really understand what we meant there. And one of the things you have to look at is the middle school high school instructional time is more time than um the kindergarten through fourth grade next year. So, it's about a half an hour half an hour difference. So the fifth through 12th grade teachers will be teaching 30 minutes more than the mills teachers. But what we're really looking at here is when we have go to the
014next slide um when we have music teachers, art teacher, physical education um teacher plus Mr. schedule and the related services that we're sharing between buildings. It's very hard to say, "Okay, you're going to start at Mills Lawn at 7:50, but then you're not done at the middle school high school until 3:30." Well, what does that do? I'm sure a board member Myers knows that that doesn't give them the same day as someone that is just in one building. So, for example, if Mr. schedule starts his day here at 7:50 and is not finished until 3:30, then he is starting his day with students and he's ending his day with students. So, where is that time for collaboration? So, that's kind of what we were discussing um there. Um, we mentioned that regional context. I'm just
015with neighboring districts and it's why in other districts that start earlier, there's there's not that um disruption to instructional time because they are getting out earlier. Mr. Hatter came up with a chart with the other school districts times and there are school districts that, you know, they do start at 8:30. um some do start at 8 there's some that start as early as 7:20 in the morning. So we again feel this is a good balance between hey we understand the research we want our students to get enough rest because we want our students ready to go in in the morning but we also want to reduce the disruptions that we are experiencing in that last class period and then the last um transportation efficiency and again I won't go through all of these things. We
016mentioned these in the last um in the last board meeting, but I will say that after a meeting with our our bus drivers, they confirmed we have wonderful students. We have wonderful older students. We have students um in middle school who are great on the bus. And there was something that was brought up about um discipline that might not reflect in the discipline referrals. And we expect to see that because as educators, teachers in the classroom, anytime there's an instant, principles are not necessarily going to see it because that is best practice that the principal handles it in the classroom, that the bus driver handles it on the bus and maybe through a verbal correction, they can fix that. And bus driver said, you know, we do hear things. Kids do get up and move.
017they have lots of energy, but when we say sit down, but we say, "Hey, watch your language." They listen to us. They also said that um it's not the older kids um that they have to do that the most with. It's usually that fifth, sixth, seventh, and eight. And I don't think those of us that are educators are surprised by that. But they listen, right? So they listen to the verbal correction. All right. So, I was talking about this earlier. Um, I think we can skip over the actual data. Again, this is kind of a commitment to the community. We are really um trying to improve the student experience, improve the teacher and staff experience, and improve transportation efficiency. I'm in here. It's just one more reminder. Thank you for um using the communications at
018yschools.org. We did get um a lot of questions around the logistics of morning drop off for no lawn and um Yellow Springs Middle School High School. Mr. Mr. Hatter and I had a meeting today and I will just say um it is it is doable because high school students will be allowed in the building um probably around 7:50 for breakfast. That will give a family member enough time to get over to Mills Lawn to drop off that kid for an 8:15 start. Um, and I think we addressed all the other questions from Yeah. or comments. >> I want to before you um your questions, I want to make sure you understand what our priority ask is. And our priority ask is a change in the start time for the middle school. We think changing that
019at the same time as going to K12 busing has some merit. But as you think about this and listen and ask questions, you can pull those apart. Okay? So you can say, "Okay, we understand the one. we might have more questions about the year. I will say if you do that, we will we will have to play a little bit with the start time for most because the 8:15 is predicated on the fact that K12 students are together. But our priority ask is a change in start time for school. Okay. Um so thank you for all of that information. um and um so I think what we'll go ahead and do if everybody is okay with this we will kind of open it up to us for questions to staff um to discuss this amongst
020ourselves and just um again no decisions are being made today um I think Dr. and I talked about a plan of discussing it today. Um, bringing it back to our an agenda item on our regular February meeting to just receive any other communications or questions from ST or from the community um by then and then we can talk about that at our February meeting and then potentially um plan on having a vote or a decision made on this process uh for March. that way they can plan accordingly for next year and families can start to plan too. Um so who wants to start questions? >> So I guess my first question is if we decide that we're okay with the schedule change accept the schedule change um but maybe not the busing changes what does
021that look like? I know you talked about maybe a shift in schedule. What's that shift look like? How does that affect the elementaryaries? And then as well kind of with that, are there alternate options that they can look at for parents that maybe don't agree with their kindergartener with a high school or a middle school? What other options can they look at is available. >> So before school, >> is that the question? If would there be an option to say no, I don't want my student to ride with the older students. I want my student picked up. Well, not necessarily not necessarily picked up. So, I guess two things. If what's the implication if we um if we do we accept the schedule change to a point, right, but not the busing change. So, middle
022school starts earlier. Elementary may start a little bit later than the 8:15 that's proposed. Is there are there implications from an elementary perspective with that 15 minute shift? >> Do you mean you mean in in implications in research and for elementary kids >> within operations from an operations perspective? So if if the elementary starts at say 8:30, high school starts at 8, middle school high school starts at 8, now elementary starting at 8:30. operationally is that does that cause a big change or is that not a big change but that cause issues? >> Um I I mean it will everything will have some sort of impact. I'm going to say it will be minimal. Okay. What what I want all of you to understand and some of you may um but when you work in
023in education you know that our model is actually um the exception rather than the rule. Most districts start middle school, high school first and then elementary. Um, so I think to answer the first part of your question, let's say you wanted to pull apart the busing from the start time simply because of the way what that says is that we're not ready to make a decision about integrating buses in terms of student ages. So that tells us we have to run our transportation kind of the same way. Right now there is a half hour difference in start time. We're going to have to have that half hour difference. So it would probably mean those lawn will start at 8:30 and not 8:15. And I say probably because thank god for me and everyone else I
024am not a bus driver. So we we would want to take this back discuss with transportation and we've already talked with them about all this you know for the first task. Um but I think that's the first part of your question. The second part of your question is is a little trickier. What if parents don't want let's say you stuck with 815 and what if parents don't want to have um their child on the bus? Here's the the unfortunate answer that you can drop your child off, your child can walk. You know, there are districts that have K12 students on the same bus and one of our neighbors is indeed one of those districts and they have been doing it for quite a while. Um, so it's not unheard of and and many districts do
025it because they're just trying to be more efficient. We just cannot do not have the personnel capacity or the financial capacity to does that answer your question? I think so. Also, it would not help with making sure that we know I know we used to have a key problem. Would that be an option again? What would that do? We know what that would look like. I I don't know when we last had a latch scheme. Um you know when I came in 2019 which was pre-COVID for me. um it seemed like there was a more thriving relationship with the children's center and and when I say relationship even at that time it wasn't uh the district did not fund uh children's center programs but it just seemed like there was a >> okay there you
026go but it was not I when I inherited the district it was not a districtun latch program and by that I mean it was not supported financially by the district. So I think if there was so I I think if there was an organization that was willing to work with us it's something that we could look into. >> Correct. >> In terms of space yeah like we would we could provide >> we would provide a space and an agreement. >> I have other information that I'm gonna um find out for you for next time. >> Latch I'm going to say latch key. I don't want to call it latch key. I want to call it after school or before school >> before and after school >> programs. >> That would be that would be my
027fear about starting at 8:30 with elementary is I wonder how impressed parents would be like getting to work because 8:00 is a little bit of a stretch too for some kids. I wonder too like how the how long it will take to be on the bus and it's the same amount of stops probably right if everybody was on the bus. So would you be picked up at the same time as you would be like what would that look like? Would it be different? I I think because you're it would be about the same number of stops and and please don't quote me on that because I really have not looked at you know numbers at each stop and what those routes would look like but I think it would be about the same amount of
028time but going back to something that I know that you have mentioned is the fact that we have a lot of staff members that have students in the opposite building starting one at 8:30 where the middle school high school starts at 8 would be very difficult for our staff members to also have children um in the district. And then I also know if Mr. Hbert wants to speak, he was kind of doing some of the math on what that would look like. [laughter] >> Well, kind of going back to what students members and what we did. >> Yes. We flipped the bus routes for good. One of the biggest challenges with the high school having the longer day is if we went if we kept our day 8 to 3 and Bills a meant 8
029to or sorry 8:30 their day would be 8:30 to 3. So you see the the challenge with even just going to 8:30 is they would dropping the high school kids off. They would be available to pick the elementary kids up. So if we flip the the days, we would potentially have to move probably the high school even a little bit earlier and along a little bit later to allow the busing to work out. It's not as keen as just flipping the bus routes um because of the length of school. >> At at minimum it would be a heck out more like 45 minutes. However, again, that is if you're keeping busy as we currently have. If it's integrated, that does change that. And and again, like Miss Smithson said, I don't I don't want to
030commit without having some real hard data from the drivers and we had a long discussion with them and they are pretty creative folks saying we think about this. We will be coming back to um for more input. But right now, we have three drivers, three buses in a van. We have a maintenance supervisor and an outdoor maintenance person who also drive. And just the way our rats are, I have my maintenance person and outdoor maintenance. They're they drive a lot. So, what that means is when they're driving, they can't do their primary job. And part of the reason is because we have a career center route and then if we have students placed at uh the academy in Belor we have to take them out there. We have a special route even though it's right
031next to us. We have a learning center route. So in we've talked with the drivers and internally what if we were able to separate those routes somehow and and address those because those numbers are small address those in one way and then if we had K12 students on the same bus three buses three drivers we could split town we could do a north loop a south loop a central loop which reduces is the time on the bus. That that's kind of where we are in our thinking. Does that make sense? >> Um, real quick follow-up question. So, I think Dorothy is Dorothy. One of her questions was, um, how early is the first pickup currently? Do you do you guys know that off the top of your head? What's the earliest pickup time? I guess
032it's the middle one. Like earliest pick up time is >> 7:30 7:40 something else. No, it's you. 7 >> 7 o' >> 7 o' >> And the arrival was at 7:40. >> Yes. Okay. for >> so with Mills Lawn potentially starting at 8:15 and the high school starting at 8:00 a 7 o'clock pickup time if we were to have the three routes. So you're saying if if we did one with combined busing, we have free routes. That seems to me like it would reduce that pickup time like or make it later. [laughter] Yeah, potentially. >> Okay. >> Who else has questions or comments? >> Yeah. So um thanks because I I think it's interesting. busing is is kind of a a focus here. And um how many of what percentage of our students ride the
033bus >> about >> that is that is a good that is a good question. Um it just changes it it changes depending on the day. It it changes depending on the temperature, the weather. um what season you know are a lot of the students participating in soccer and volleyball in the fall so I don't think that we um have been able to relate quite what percentage >> I can get that data I >> yeah and it's it's not it's not real significant just be helpful to know how many students that would be impacting and and whether I guess it sounds like though we do have an obl obligation to provide busing to all the students in the district >> who are eligible for busing. Yes, we can get a number of students who are eligible
034for busing. >> Yeah, that would be good. Um, just to kind of know the scope. Now, open enrollment students outside of the district, they're all being driven or driving themselves. they have a license um >> or they can go to a pickup pick um I don't know that we have times that do that >> okay but that's so then the question is am I right we see a raise in um open enrollment students in the middle school and high school my my question is is if they have to get there half an [clears throat] hour earlier and they're coming from Zena do did you get any feedback feedback about people saying that could impact them negatively or be a >> I I know the mother that I talked to last night said with that student
035coming from senior she would prefer that you know to be off earlier and start earlier um I would say if they were ending is one of those school districts where at least when I was still there it was 7:23 start time so they would probably be able to leave a a little bit later than they would if they were in district. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So, it's not like they're going to say, "Hey, I'm going to Zena. This is way too early." >> Correct. >> And that's Sorry, another thing I just thought of. I just asked Megan the question because we talked to Cedar and you know their bigger boos 49 square miles. We're only 17 square miles. they move forwards, but their start times for all buildings are the same. So, I'm thinking,
036would that be a possibility for us, which means it's only a start time change for one billion, but it really would then you really have to to kind of look at lost capacity, right? You couldn't do that unless you absolutely did. integrated. Yeah. Then it would only be chang >> it only change the high school middle school start time by 15 minutes, >> right? It would be you would do what is that what you would do or you would do it 8 a.m. So you' be 8 a.m. across >> I'm speaking off the cuff right because we're going back and forth about that would create but I'm looking here at my notes from They all start at the same time. It would create a challenge for families who are dropping off. >> Yeah. So, it
037it sounds like most it sounds like you've all really thought a lot of this through, you know, and it's um I guess so. I did want to know about that that Zena parent who talked about play practice. Um I was wondering though well I guess this is a kind of a comment in the question. The comment is is that a lot of sports and you know a lot of practices start well after the end of school. So, I was I was wondering kind of doubtful if that would have much of an impact. Um, and I think many of those start times are based on when the coach is available and things like that. Um, but you you make Miss Won, you did seem to think that it would. So, I I just wanted you to
038explain that a little bit. I think um the situation that this mother was referring to is when they get close to um performances and they are doing those long rehearsals and I don't know how long those rehearsals are but um but I remember when I was in high school people who were in those plays or in those rehearsals for hours and hours after after school. So I does it um impact that student all year long for every single activity? I don't think so. Um but I think for when you're getting close to those kind of performances and anyone that went to John Legend to see that performance was wonderful. Um I think they just need those hours. >> I So in that case, yes, starting as early as you can. Yes. I I think um
039[clears throat] what it would do for all of our kids all year long though is they would open our gyms up a half an hour earlier. So So like right now in the fall which just having one gym, we typically have you girls volleyball practice or high school volleyball practice right after school and then the other team goes after that. So all those practices will shift a half an hour earlier potentially depending on the coaches. And then it's the same thing in winter sports. Um, now when the the building renovations are done, there will pick up a second gym, which will help as well. But I think across the board, we would be able to start those practices a half an hour earlier, our kids, at least the kids with late practices, even more half
040an hour earlier. >> That makes sense. That makes both of those things make sense. And then in terms of the logistics that were discussed like from parents and such, could you sum up the conversation that you've had? I mean, what what would you say uh with your thumb on the pulse, Megan? What what people are thinking? I I think I want to start off by saying that with using um that communication email that we did have people give positive feedback and say, "Hey, this is a great idea. Now, what about a 4 day? What about a year round school?" We won't get into that conversation, but but hey, just start thinking about thinking about those um ideas. So, I want to say that first. Um I we had a couple questions from staff members and
041you know what does that look like? I think many of the questions it just came down to can you tell me what that might look like if I have two students at two different buildings or what would that look like if my child is on the bus you know with older students and really more about the timing versus I don't want my child with older students. So I would say um to sum it up most of the questions were what does that look like and have you thought about logistically >> logistically? Yes. And it sounds like you didn't find anything that was like oh my goodness we can't do this if you could find solutions or you know figure it out for all these scenarios. >> Yes. for all of the questions. I hope that
042families and and community members that were asking questions, whether they asked them to us or to a board member or they were just thinking them in their in their heads, then I hope that we were able to address those questions this evening. And again, if if we didn't, no decisions are being made tonight. That um email is still available. Send your questions. Again, we want to be as transparent as possible and we want to be able to answer those questions and we want to be able to kind of consider other you know ideas and you know for example we are going to look into you know what before and after school programs might be interested in in some kind of agreement. So we want to hear those ideas. Um, thank you for uh putting all
043this together. I know you guys have done a lot of work on it and um uh I really ultimately I just have some comments. Um the only concerns really that I've heard from parents locally has been um the research that we did in the past on sleep. And in your first presentation, there wasn't really anything about that. And so I had people coming to me and I didn't have a whole lot to tell them. I didn't see the first um research that was done and so um when you sent out another communication later including the sleep foundation research I was able to say hey let's go take a look at this um and I think this is should hopefully you know ease people's minds about that >> thank you and and also in that letter
044are strategies that families can use as well to kind of help guide them into you know what might this look like in our home if if this change doesn't occur. >> Yeah. No, it's great and thank you for you know sending that out and adding that in. That was it was great info. Um and just another observation in addition to um when you talk about after school sports and these things happening u I believe that our uh junior varsity basketball team has been late to three different games this year because of our busing situation. we've they've got to wait for a a driver to get back from their route before they can leave or you name it. We have beat the team there three times this year. Um they arrive, they don't get warm-ups. They
045basically they're like, "All right, you're here. Here's a ball. Let's, you know, whistles whistles coming." Um so, you know, there are other facets to this that I believe this would hopefully help out with. So, >> I'm curious what principles like how they see their kids on the bus. Do they have like built-in strategies that help? How do they do you know? >> I don't I can I can um certainly get information about that. I don't children. I I don't know that they there are any real issues. I mean the superintendent will readily answer questions but they are one campus so that that is not far not like a couple. Um is there a way that we could put numbers to this the combining the busing so that we understand the financial impact savings. So if
046we condense rounds, what's that look like savings wise? We know that there's an efficiency gain numbers that we can look at that as well. >> Um I will have to take a look at it. Uh I know we have a minimum contract time for our drivers. So like we cannot cut their we cannot always cut the date in half necessarily. Um certainly one of the biggest impacts that won't really have a financial piece to it would be being able to get a maintenance um supervisor and outdoor maintenance person doing their job more regularly because right now that that's sort of a hidden cost in it. Um but >> we can put real numbers we can provide real numbers for that. >> Yeah. Um and then I I will have the number of students. I would
047say one benefit to doing this now as opposed to in the future is we are looking at the change in structure to our buildings. So we're talking about moving more students to the campus on road and having less students here next year. Um, so as far as an opportunity, everybody is going to be experiencing a change within the district next year. This would be a good time to to rip this band-aid off as well as far as, you know, getting used to some changes. >> But I think costwise, we're looking at gas and and bus maintenance, >> right? >> Yes. >> Obviously, like you said, you can't cut that in half, but there's a little savings there, I'm sure. But >> Yeah. And then there would be like I said really the added benefit would
048be having our maintenance supervisor available. >> Yeah. Having them do their extra job instead of driving. >> Um so to go back to the question from um one of the communications we received about so say you have two students one goes to Mills one goes to the high school. you live close enough to technically qualify for the bus high school, but your Milan student lives too close. Can we accommodate both of those students to now ride the bus because it only makes sense if they're stopping for my high school student, they can pick up my most student, too. I mean in most capac you know assuming the capacity limit is not reached on the buses I don't see why we wouldn't make every attempt to make that >> and I think that would ease some
049parents minds that might actually help in a lot of situations where they can now send both their kids to school at the same time and they come home at the same time. So >> would the boundary change at all or would it be able to with this new system at at either of the schools? >> When you say boundary >> well like I know they're different. It's like a half a mile or what is it? Half mile on a mile and a half from the high school or something. Could that change at all if if this happened to allow more students again if capacity or would it pretty much stay the same? >> I I think as of right now I would say it would stay the same. But again, we would have to look
050at capacity and see what that looks like with the numbers. >> And those boundaries are established by the state. So we don't establish those boundaries. They're established based upon students. So, we're not doing this. We are, but honestly, we don't have to offer high school transportation. Many districts don't. Now, for us, it's a no-brainer because our middle school students go living, but let's say we have a high school that is separate. Um many districts when they are when they want to be more efficient fiscally they cut high schools. And all of that is because the state says you can do that. But the the boundary limits for walking and eligible for bus transportation, those are and I agree with and I don't know change those. But >> I I always just assumed it was us
051that it. Okay. Thank you for that. >> I didn't have control of that either, but I knew there was a a limit. Um so and then I know there were some other um in terms of other missed academic opportunities with our students not just athletics at the end of the day but there are some things that happen at the career center or um you know whether they're work opportunities for students like it's it's a challenge for some of our students to make it to those those as well. Um, what else? Does anybody else have any questions or comments or anything? Um, so I just want to say thank you. This has been some great information. I know you put a lot of time into it with these new great configurations happening. Um, I know there's
052been a lot of thought put into how can we make our buildings more efficient? How can we make these academic opportunities for our students better? Um, so I think A lot of our questions have been answered. Um, so again, I think we didn't have any comments. George, >> you do have an email. >> Yeah, [laughter] good. Okay. >> Um, just add one thing about the maybe more transportation data. we will commit to giving you all we can. Here's here's a wrinkle that really makes it seem like we just don't know. But the reality of it is we just don't because every year parents can sign up for transportation. So there's a difference between eligible and wanting and so sometimes that difference is really big. So, um, we could give you the eligible, but we wouldn't
053know about the wanting it. And then there are those kind of interesting factors that and and I feel like we're very receptive to this because of our size. my child's riding on Monday through Thursday of every third week and then you know and so your numbers then fluctuate but during sports season they're not going to ride the bus home and and so but we will make a commitment to give you as much data as we can about that but if I just want everyone to know if you feel like there's gaps there probably are because there's just a lot that we don't know um because you know you can be eligible or not ride. So I think that's also a great point to say we don't know but our bus drivers know the students so
054well and if you ask them like well how many students did you have behind your bus they would say well this student on this day and then I know I can I mean they know the students when they're riding when they're not riding when they're out how long they need to wait I think in that conversation they were just like yeah so so and so and that brother they know our students. They know our students so well. So, >> I think that complicates things. >> A question that that Christie had that I wanted to point out is um the the difference between your pickup time this year and next year can be dramatically different because you could be the first stop or the last stop. And so, that is something that I I think to
055consider. Now sometimes like you're in a position it's like oh we're always the last stop or we're always the first stop in the morning, the last stop in the afternoon, but there are times where you know you're the second stop this year and next year you're the second to last stop. So you're like what's the the change? It's just the way that the routes work out this year and where you are in line for the pickup >> and different families deciding to ride the bus or not ride the bus. you know, everything changes from year to year. Okay. All right. Did anybody else have any other questions or comments? So, again, um no decisions this evening. Um we want to encourage everybody to still write us emails. Um have conversations. Um ask questions. Um nothing's
056been decided. Um but this is some good information to get started with on this process. um so we can be more efficient and um provide our students with more opportunities as we move into our new buildings next year which will be very exciting. So I think that was all we had on our agenda for this evening. So everybody's wrapped up. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Move. >> Second. >> Um >> yes. >> No. >> Yes. Airs up. >> Yes. >> Reler. >> Yes. >> Bailey. >> Yes. Five zero. We're adjourned at 653.