001Okay, mind breaking start the budget. The flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States to the republic for it stands nation indivisible justice for all. Thank you for joining us with abandoned school district 54 budget May 18th Monday. It's not Monday. It's Wednesday. And at this time we're going to elect some officers. I did it last year. I would like to chair again. I'll second all in favor. Vice chair chair John session vote all in favor. four budget message. So, what you read, Amanda? Um, read that on page four, apologize, I left Briana's name off of the schoolboard members when I did this, I have the red list. So, on the final um adopted budget document, Briana will be on there. And then also um Damon and Jeffrey uh hadn't joined um
002quite yet when this was printed. So they will be on there as well adopted documents. Yes. Thank you. And Jeff will be at the next meeting. Can't be here soon, but we will be here. Okay. 20 202526 Standon School District budget message to the Bandon School District community. It is our responsibility and privilege to present the proposed budget for the 202526 fiscal year. We continue to navigate uncertain financial conditions including the uncertainty of funding, ongoing inflation, and rising costs in nearly every operational area. Despite these pressures, we are committed to preserving highquality educational services for our students. This budget is built on the assumption of a state school fund bienium of 11.36 billion for the 25 through 27 years and an average daily membership of 630 students. In addition to general fund revenue from the
003state school fund, the district will receive targeted support through special revenue sources such as early literacy, high school success, the early indicator and intervention system, and the student investment account. Presented in this pocket is a balanced budget that upholds our commitment to students, staff, and the broader and the broader Bannon community. While we are proposing just over 1 million in reductions following 1.2 million in cuts made last year, these reductions have been carefully planned to protect essential services and student experiences. Key elements of the proposed 202526 budget include sustained funding for currently filled permanent non-year-to-year position with some rule consolidations planned to increase efficiency. Full honoring of employee contracts and maintenance of current student programs and services. A contingency amount of 415,000 to provide flexibility for unforeseen needs. a beginning cash balance of 3.1 million,
004the use of which is necessary to maintain current service levels, continued support for a full school year, access to professional development, curriculum and material purchases, and necessary buildings, building and grounds maintenance. We recognize that like many districts across Oregon, we must make strategic adjustments and find ways to cut costs in order to operate within our financial means and adjust if revenue does not come in as planned. This responsible approach will help ensure that the Bandon school district remains stable and strong for the future. Even in the face of fiscal pressure, our focus remains unwavering to be resourceful and responsible stewards of public funds and to ensure that every student continues to receive a comprehensive highquality education that prepares them to reach their full potential. Thank you for your support and partnership as we continue to
005serve the students and families of it. I just think that that is a wonderful and true message. I think it really echoes what the board has been trying to do and that the budget reflects. A couple of the highlights are keeping what we have sustained funding for currently filled permanent positions, the full honoring of employee contracts and maintenance of the current student programs and services because around districts those do seem to get cut in times and that's an ambitious but it appears that you've been able to do it with this budget. Thank you. Sleepless nights lately. They do a June broadcaster. [Music] Yeah, the federal funds we don't know until September, but that's all even just from last year and then moving forward. Yeah, we're thankful we started that's, you know, last year preemptively just
006kind of thinking see each year we do build a a two-year budget. Um, so we kind of have a the projection of, you know, what's going to what we're going to probably see a glimpse of next year. So, but we saw that two years ago and started, you know, making those. But, um, okay, we go do it in the next one. Thank you. Um, okay. So, agenda for tonight, budget message. We've already hammered that one out. um sources and description of funds and their uses and account code structure review. Um I know some of you are newish to um school finance or you know new to budget committee maybe um members are going to be here so we have a little bit of just a review of how our account structure works um so you
007can better read the budget document and then we'll go over our uh 2526 proposed budget and then uh general questions or comments. Um, we're all here, I think, for the same reason. And I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank everybody for being here. I know we all have busy lives, but this is important stuff to us. Um, many of us had kids in district. We, you know, we're in this for the long haul, and we want the district to succeed and be the best it can, um, and be able to support students the best way that we possibly can make it happen. So, thank you for being here, um, and for all your help in this process. So, our purpose tonight, I know this is kind of small. I tried to pack too
008much information into one slide, but uh I'll go over it. So, um I just kind of wanted to go over a little bit about what the budget committee does and does not do, just kind of what the responsibilities are. Um uh so you can have an idea of that. So, what the budget committee does, they review the proposed budget. They ensure the budget is balanced and aligns with district goals. They receive input from the community and they approve budget by total fund and function. They uh then recommend the budget to the school board for final adoption. What they do not do, they do not set or approve staffing levels, number of teachers, aids, custodians, etc. Um they do not manage specific programs or day-to-day operations. And so who decides those staffing levels? the superintendent and
009administrative team um work with the board to propose those staffing levels um based upon enrollment projections, class size targets, available funding and multi-year projections and educational goals and contractual obligations. So the process I think um many of you are probably familiar with it but um at the beginning of the budget season we established the budget calendar. we have specific timelines that we have to meet for Oregon budget law. So, we set that uh calendar before the board um many months ago, what Januaryish um and then they adopt the budget calendar for the year. Uh then we go into throughout the year actually assessing needs of the district, reviewing our strategic goals and priorities. Um, we make sure that the budget aligns with all of those educational goals, improvement plans, and long-term priorities. We estimate revenues
010and project funding from federal, state, and local sources. We assess the expenditures, um, evaluate the current and projected costs, salaries, benefits, transportation, special programs, facility needs. Um school is pretty multiaceted in what we need to um you know figure out expenditures for and project for future years. Um so we spend a lot of time doing that and engage stakeholders um our community. We get input from school leaders, teachers, parents, school board and the community to inform budget decisions. Um this year in particular, we um the all the administrative school principles um sent out questionnaires to staff ahead of time saying, "Hey, what are things you need? What are things you are looking for this next school year? What's important to you?" Um and then they they get those surveys, they bring them back to us
011at our um department meeting with them, and they tell us what they've learned. and we try our best to get all of that um to the extent possible into their building budget. Um we develop the proposed budget. After getting all of that information, we um we create the preliminary budget um that balances out revenues and expenditures. Those have to match each other. And um then we hold a public hearing on the budget. Um then we uh the board finalizes and adopt adopts the budget uh enacts the resolutions adopting the budget, making appropriations and declaring a tax levy. Uh the deadline to declare the tax levy is July 15th of each year. So we have to have the budget adopted by June 30th and we have to um have all of our information into the county
012um prior to July 15th uh for the tax levy. And then we implement and we monitor and that's something that we have to regularly monitor the expenses against the revenues that we're seeing coming in and we have to make changes as needed. What's the confidence level on the revenues? You know that probably going to get 80%. Not necessarily. We we have and I'll go over that a little bit here in a minute. Um we have preliminary projections that come out this year in particular. Federal funding is so uncertain. Um, and we'll go over that a little bit too, but um, but we do have a state school fund estimate that we go off of based upon um, enrollment, which I'll go over also. So, I I'll get to that and if I don't answer your
013question, then then let me know. Um, so we need to, this is one thing I think a lot of businesses, school districts, counties, um, they don't they don't monitor their budget. They kind of adopt it and they don't monitor that. they don't see they don't monitor if the revenues that they projected are actually coming in. Um so that's one thing we try to be really really careful about. So the annual adopted budget provides our best collective thinking for future based upon preliminary projections and they may or may not change and one thing in particular um one of our major revenue sources um is the state school fund and after the budget is adopted that gets adjusted three times. So that could be huge adjustment based upon uh enrollment of all the other school districts throughout
014Oregon and us. So we could get more, we could get less. It just kind of depends and we have to be able to adjust and plan for that. So when that does um adjust, we need to adjust as well. Um, so even if an activity or position is not in the current budget plan is in the current budget plan, then we may not be able to do it if revenues don't come in as if expected, but we try our best to stick to the budget, go from there. Um, okay. So, a little bit of this, I'll try and go over this quickly. This, um, is in the document that was sent out and then, um, that everybody has, too, so you can kind of go through and have it to reference um, as far as
015what each thing means. But um at this school district in particular, we have um we have four major funds. We have the general fund which is 100 um special revenue fund which is our 200 level funds. Our debt service 300 that um is the account that covers our um our bond uh interest and principal payments. And then we have the capital reserve fund which is for capital projects. um our district in particular, we do have a fund 101, which I'll go over a little bit too, which is um it's it's it's in with the general fund, but it's a curriculum rotation fund, and that'll be on another sheet. And then our um so functions, uh we have 10,00s are instruction, um which is, you know, where you're going to find any instruction related activities. uh
0162,000 supporting services, 3,000 enterprise and community. And for our district in particular, that's just food services. We don't use our 3,000 function for anything besides food services. 4,000 is facilities acquisition and construction. 5,000 is where our debt service sits. Um 6,000 is a contingency and 7,000 is uh where we would have an unappropriated ending fund balance. And then last one in this one is objects. You know the objects after that. So the 100 levels are salaries. 200 are employee benefits. 300 purchase services. 400 are our uh supplies and materials. 500 is capital outlay. 600 is other objects dues, fees, etc. Um and 700 is transfers. So, when you put it all together, that's what it looks like and that's what you're going to kind of see in uh the budget document. Okay. So, a lot
017of school districts across Oregon are experiencing budget shortfall. I'm sure everybody has heard. Um there there are several in our backyard. These are some of the big ones. Portland Public is I think it's actually a $43 million budget shortfall for the 25 26 year. Um they're having to cut 242 positions. Lake Asiggo budget gap of 12 million. Proposed cuts include 91 positions. Reynolds school district also up in the Portland area. $25 million shortfall. Um 10 furlow days, 150 employees. Um it's it's not just in our area where budget cuts are happening. It's it's everywhere. So why I mean their their problems are our problems, too. It's it's kind of the same across the board. Um rising costs and limited revenue. So, uh rising costs, inflation, we're all experiencing that. Um but school districts in particular,
018we have increases in salaries, benefits, PERS, um PERS rates go up every year. They're the big costs for school districts. Utilities, transportation, supplies, etc. Um, student needs are growing, special education costs, at least for us, and I know many other school districts are going up, but the amount that we're um supported by that, it it just doesn't meet um technology demands. Technology is expensive and um it's hard to keep up with digital learning needs, requires an ongoing investment, and um aging facilities. We we experience that more than a lot of other areas just due to our weather. We have a lot of upkeep costs. And then limited revenue. State and federal dollars are falling short of the cost of operating schools. It it is is what it is right now. Um stagnant or capped property
019taxes. Local tax revenue doesn't keep up with increasing costs. And uh then there's declining enrollment. So bottom line is costs are outpacing growth. So we just need to do our best to find ways to um Does the Fandm School District have declining enrollment? Yes. Yes. Is there a charter school here? Sports the closest school. Yeah. Schools students do go to but not but they don't take away well they do take away homeschooling charter schools and please do all charter schools. Yeah. Is that number quantified? Does know what that number is? people in the district. I love that. Well, it matters because we get like 70 kids from court for so when Connie does enroll in every month for our schoolboard meeting, we have 70 coming in and 70 going out or sometimes right now we
020have 90 going out and 70 still coming in. So, it's like a 20. But our area has and statewide has we've lost 30,000 students statewide. That's why the funding when districts are asking right now for our money, they're like, "But we lost all these students and everything is kind of done by that." But for us, I think it's we're looking at it in the seven-year drop. We've dropped almost 200 kids. Yeah. And it's it's mostly we have we're becoming a retirement community and um they don't want to have kids, you know. So that's the part where our family, our middle class, lower and upper middle class aren't moving to band and we don't have housing for them. So we don't have the families that generate more enrollment it's basic. Not everyone's like bringing kids to
021Yes. Um, so Damon, to your point, federal funding updates. Um, we're it's it's kind of up in the air right now, but we're doing our best to kind of follow it. Um, on May 2nd, I believe it was, um, the presidential uh, president's fiscal year 26 discretionary budget request was released. Um, now this was just a request that was um, uh, with recommendations to Congress and that requires bipartisan legislation to take effect, but we took information from that just to try and think about, you know, planning for next year. So, what that included was a 12 billion uh, or 15.3% cut from the US education department. specific programs were not listed in that, but we have heard and it's very likely that they include title two and title four and um those are two that
022would impact our district pretty significantly um 44,928 and 31743 respectively this year for Bannon school district is um the allocations that we had this year. So that's what that would equate to for our district next year losing that um in this uh discretionary budget title one funding remained intact but at fiscal year 25 levels. So that is still a cut for us because even if we got what we got this year for title one costs are still going up um with salaries and benefits. So that's still you know something we're going to have to think about and plan for IDA. Um this plan did preserve IDEIDA grants but it consolidated then into a single grant program um funded again at fisc 25 levels. So again something we need to plan for. Um it did eliminate
023uh title three which is not a huge economic impact for our district. Um we're in a consortium with our uh South Coast CSC for that one currently and I think right now it's only like like $800 and something dollars or something that we get. So, that one's not a huge impact to us. Um, in that proposal, there were no um nothing impacting school nutrition programs, which was good. That doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It just um wasn't in this particular one, but we are we're trying to to plan as best we can for that. Sorry, quick question. Title one teacher. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. this year math and reading specialists. Uh so these are funds that we have in our district. Um like I said, we have the general fund and then
024we have fund 101. Um 101 is our curriculum adoption rotation. um which 200,000 was transferred out of the general fund into fund 101 um about two and a half years ago or so for curriculum rotation. We have to Sean might be able to speak for this better than I can, but every seven years um a district has to districts have to adopt a new curriculum for each subject. So, our district has been trying to go um each year kind of rotate and you know pick specific curriculums um when they're up for um adoption. That way it's not a huge hit all at once. But the problem is curriculum is very expensive. Math curriculum is like $100,000 in itself. Um we just did what did ELA two years ago and it was just K6 and it
025was $100,000. did math which wasn't a K12, it was only a K8 program and that was over $100,000. And in the past, this isn't something that the district ever budgeted for. They were just trying to figure out where to pull it from. So when we got the ESRE funds, that was something that was allowable was curriculum. And so that's when we started to look at establishing um this account was for that. If you watched our board meetings, we put uh the last couple curriculums on hold. um will come back to the science one this current this school year to be able to because you can wave it kind of for a year couple years and then you have to come back and show that you're adopting updated curriculum or curriculum that the state considers align
026to their standards and then help was the other one just because we weren't sure how uh Oregon's uh OS's in sex ed would match with the current presidency so we didn't want to adopt a curriculum that may be changed changed right in the middle because curriculum is so expensive. So we put that one on hold just to see kind of how that stuff shakes out and then we'll come back to that curriculum and then we have social studies that's right on our fields and then so not having money in there and trying to figure out how we're going to follow um the requirements of that was uh something that we talked about about three years ago. was talking about it when I just about died when when I first got here and we're like, "Johnn,
027you got to figure out how we're going to come up with $100,000 to pay for the ELA that we ordered." And I'm like, "Well, it's budgeted for." And they're like, "No." I'm like, "Okay." So, this is something that takes pressure off of me. So, yes. And so, in addition to So, this is there is a beginning fund balance of 200,000 in fund 101. um which you know has been there now for a couple years and probably next year is when we'll start that. Um so we have uh 2011 which is our title one. Um and you can look and kind of see what all of these particular grants fund. Um I can read them off if anybody wants. Yeah. All right. So yeah, we have all of our titles up top. We have uh high
028school success um or some people refer to it as measure 98. We have 217 which is our student investment account. 220 is our transportation fund. Um we use you know that for uh replacing buses, vans, etc. for student transportation. Um 225 is our idea. 230 is our food service fund. Um 232 is where we house early literacy. Um 250 is where all of our um ASB student body funds um sit in one account the auditor and um and we go through that each year. But all all of the student body accounts are combined into funds 250. And then we have our donation funds 251 through 254 and then 260 the budget authority funds. one. Yeah. On the student investment account. That's just where we put grant money essentially staff, not activities to the student investment
029account 217. Yeah, that's a that's one of the major grants we get. Um it's funded by the corporate activity tax which huh we just heard today um that the uh the economic forecast is down. Um, so the uh corporate activity tax is possibly not going to be able to fund it as at the level we're at this year. We're not entirely sure. We just um it's very very new to us. So we're hoping that um that SIA stays the same, but for us that's um about 753,000 I believe this year and um about the same last year. So that's a that's a big one for us. our nurse comes out of mental health counselors, our behavior interventionists come out of there. So yeah, so those are state state fund the grant that we get um
030through that each year. Yeah. Yeah. So that one we have um I think I think a good portion of that to under to understand too is like we get one lump sum, right? That's kind of the state funding and without these extra funds, those are all people, right? So if we don't have the title, we don't have the SA and we don't have the HSS, which is the high school, which is our CT program. That is our CT program. We don't have those, we don't have money to buy those extra teachers or those extra services for kids. And so those are like SIA is very like they've gotten, I think, harder each year on data that we have to collect because because accountability is way up here now, right? Because they want to see the
031success of kids. And so when people say, "Well, why don't you just put teachers in there like regular like third grade teachers or pick a teacher from each building to put in there?" The data that they want won't support that. We have to show like absentee rate rates. Um we have to show referrals for behavior, suicide referrals, are they up? Are they down? So it's like more of the well-being and a teacher from each building can't do that for us but our mental health counselors can our nurse can we can show that our behavior interventionist and each one our academic adviser for here we can show that graduation on on time is happening this way like they want all this data. So the only way to do that is to have these positions across the
032district that are similar that can gather that information buildingwise to then put into a document with them. And they've gotten pickier each year. Like the line items are getting pickier every year to where when we first got it, when I first got here, it was only 200 and some thousand is what we had budgeted for and for somehow some reason we got 500. So we kind of had to scramble and and then now we get 700 which is great. They also changed the way that we can spend it. So we used to take a little portion of that with other things to make our summer program work. They now have all this has to be spent by June 30th when we used to have till September 30th to spend it. Right. They changed it. So
033now we don't have the ability to, you know, kind of like bring it along till September and pay for that summer program. And then our kids are doing so well. the summer funding that the state put out, we don't qualify for because our kids are doing too good. So, it's kind of that double-edged sword for us of not getting the extra funding in areas that really great for credit recovery for our high school. Um, summer funding for, you know, enrichment for our K through eight kids and for showing up, you know, school how well our CPU programs working by the amount that they're producing, right? just show and HSS is down this year and so we're getting less with the HSS this year than we did last year. Yeah, they are. But your forward thinking
034did give us last year some program. So yeah, we do not have a summer program for this summer. We don't have money. Last year we only had it because they squirreled it away into some couple different accounts. I just don't have money in those accounts anymore. Um so moving on 300 is our debt service fund and 400 capital projects. So it is wow. So over the past, you know, 10 years, this is data from uh January of each year just to be consistent. But um I mean overall, like now we're sitting at the last board meeting, we were sitting at 614. So I mean over the last 10 years, like you think about it when we see just the board reports each month, you're like, okay, yeah, we've gone up five, we've, you know, gone
035down five, six, seven, maybe 10 here or there, but then when you look at it, I I was actually surprised to see this. I didn't think we were actually in declining enrollment quite as much but over the last 10 years um it's about 16%. Which percentage though I would ask though is what each school so a lot more young kids here is this is not in high school. Is there potential or is it just our elementary actually keeps us alive? Our elementary is busting out the seams. We lose we lose start losing some middle school grades and then high school is it fluctuates like um we sometimes start big and then we lose them as the year goes on. We lose quite a bit to Winter Lakes for the online. Usually they'll bounce back and
036forth between Winter Lakes and us. Um they're kids that are not uh brick and mortar kids is what we call. They're more an alternative program kids. um preventative dropout. We don't have that program. Um so that's something where they start there. They're usually behind in credits starting their freshman year and they don't like rules. A lot of them don't like rules and they don't want to go to school in the time frame that they want to do their own thing and so we lose quite a bit of kids when it No, that's cool. Kill. Yeah, it's an alternative program. They're online. They don't really have to check in. Sure. Thought about having one here, right? Yep. We We actually had one with Douglas here. He had one. He's the one that cut it. Without very
037shortlived, right? Yeah. Was it successful? I don't have any. Um so this again all of this information was in the budget message but um just some assumptions that we have to make at the beginning of the budgeting process. So we base the budget upon the allocation of the governor's uh 11.36 billion for the 25 through 27 bianium. Um we will be uh next year we'll be in the first year which is the 49%. Um goes uh the estimated enrollment of approximately 630 students grant allocations as provided in the budget documents and federal funding reductions and uncertainties. And then for expenditures, um this one is tough with the cost of everything going up, but um just the salary and benefits uh increased upon historical and future data and um current and estimated future contracts as best
038we can. uh expenditures completing current projects and uh seeing upcoming projects through to completion and then um trying to decrease expenditures in the areas that we can where it doesn't impact students. Question your earlier slide around the forecasted reduction federal department of education funding. So what we're seeing here is basically you're using that estimate of what rejection come down as we have here. Is that right? Good question. Not necessarily. So that was that was something that's you know that was released that we just try and keep in the back of our mind. We don't know what's going to happen with that um discretionary proposal. So we just looking at how things are going, looking at what we've um you know received in the past from federal, state, we kind of use that. We look at
039historical data um from the past three years and then kind of look at what's happening, what we're hearing from our oaso group, um the superintendent group, the business manager group, um what they're hearing from their legislation and um and just trying to kind of be a collective. Okay. Well, you know, are we budgeting at what we had last year for title one? What about title two, title four? What are you guys doing? So, we did talk I talked to other business managers, um, some other superintendents. What are you doing? Some are just budgeting flat. They're just like, we're just budgeting for what we got last year. Some are saying we're cutting it in half. Some are it's kind of all over the place. So, really, right now, we're we're budgeting the best we can. Um,
040uh, we in this budget, we left um, we reduced our title one a little bit. We reduced our title two and title four by about half. We don't know if we're going to get either one of those, title two, title four next year. Um we don't know exactly what title one's going to be. We tried to be conservative while still at the same um same point. Um keeping the appropriations there if that money does come in, keeping the appropriations to be able to spend it. Um because that has to be appropriated in the budget um approved by the budget committee and adopted by the board before we can spend it. So we tried to you know not shoot for the million because if we don't get that then you know that's hard to say well
041we budgeted for this extra feature we budgeted you know for this extra position position that we just can't fill. So, we tried to be somewhat conservative while at the same time, you know, hearing what other districts around Oregon are doing and just kind of doing our best to hope that it comes in somewhere near. Um, and we do have the budget authority fund, which um was fund 260 that I went over earlier, which does provide a little bit of extra appropriations in there in case some more money comes in, saying we get more than we anticipated from Title One, that budget authority has a little bit extra in there. So if we do get that, we can send that on the students. So that that part does help. I like that was that was built
042into the budget um three years ago or something before I came and that's a really smart way to do it. That way if additional grant funds do come in, there are the appropriations there to be able to soent not some sort of reduction. What we looked at too is like what we got in the beginning was title one would probably be cut by 25%. The other titles would be gone. So we tried to balance that out. Like maybe we might get two and four. So we didn't take it completely out. We put a little bit in there but it would also cutting title. So it would kind of balance itself out if these went away. This might be the minimum that we get in the title one. Hoping that we're right because that's all people.
043Um but that's a scary front this projection at this budget. Am I wrong in thinking that haven't had to eliminate any total teaching positions? No, we actually are not keeping the math is yeartoear because that was extra funding through title. It wasn't when we first got the title was a little bit extra and that little bit is no longer going to be there. So that's a position that we um absorbed and and will continue. So um that one the SIA is shifting and changing um and salary is going up. We don't have enough in the SIA to actually have all the PE teachers that we currently have. Um so we'll need to absorb two of those positions. So we're doing that without yeah as much as we possibly can in areas that we can. We've
044cut back on EAS. Um, so educational assistants. Yeah, educational assistants. So when they resign, retire, we haven't filled their positions. Um, we we let them fl we budgeted, which man will probably tell you like our third grade class has three teachers because they're so big. So we have to have a fourth grade teacher as they move up. So budgeting for that extra teacher um is is kind of the prior things that we look at. But it looks like it's a padded position. But we know that they have 61 kids and their contract says they can only have 29 each. So it's like you have to budget knowing that I made the for elementary school the secretaries called every third grade parent to see if they're coming or not. And you know that's also going to
045be the grade next year you know that people will win on. So it's never the small group it's always the large group. So having to prepare for that and what do you budget for? Do you budget for a brand new teacher that's you know that that 50 60,000 plus benefits or do you budget for the 77,000 plus so that's a huge difference right you know so it's like that's the part where I think that Amanda is very brilliant in that part and sometimes I just want to close my eyes and say please you know what's the second grade I would ask what's the second grade class though we're third grade you still need to create third grade teacher uh no they're a smaller group they'll stay within just could you make the third grade teacher
046the third grade? Does it work like that? Well, and and that's it's a one-year position each year. So, but that's something we have to think about is like you they go through it. They can't absorb that one-year position. We ask you to have to keep it and then when they go to fifth grade, that be a third teacher up there. Then you need that really tough teacher that wants to hang out with those same kids. Yeah. consecutively all the way to graduation. Actually, our our third grade teacher that's the fill in is actually the new special ed researching teacher. That's why I'm a little surprised that there aren't any teachers here because this is the kind of realistic budget talk negotiations. They were invited. They were invited because I think it's very she does a
047very good American does a very good job breaking it down where then you can go back and see like, oh yeah, I see salaries. Oh, yeah. I see where our benefits are. Like, I think she does a really good job of of breaking it down to simplify it and to understand it. And if they would I mean, they've been invited. I would want them to be here because I want them to see what it takes to build the budget, too. It's really important. So, good point. Yeah. Yeah. A lot a lot goes into it because, you know, you look at these budgets for 10 years and you better know a little bit about accounting what you're looking for or what you want to see because they're complicated. Yeah. And especially in this any cool budget,
048anything I've worked on in my years, it is hard to read and find out what's going on. where you look at your line item, look at your increase, decrease, see your contingency fund, see how much carryover you got. So, there's some things that you really want to examine as a budgeteer myself, see where we are, I'll solve them. And from what I seen so far studying it, it looks pretty solid. I mean, the carryover, I mean, few years ago, I remember we had it pretty continuous and Shauna made it clear that she wanted to do a different way. Well, this year we we're only down what, uh, oh, 16,000. and the way inflation is I understand this. So what I look at is some of these line items and maybe we can address those when
049you want to approach that when you want me to because I spotted some things here. Absolutely. I have them. Okay. I have them highlighted and I know because we did move some things around this year. We can find some first. So I'll go over all that later. But yeah, there are some items highlighted that I was going to go over on the changes. You're welcome. Um, okay. So, you guys have this one in the budget packet, but overall proposed budget 20,257,76 of that amount, 66% to the general fund, 1% is that curriculum rotation. Um, 21% special revenue, 2% debt service, and 10% capital projects. So, this is where if you guys have your um documents out, I've made some notes here. Um but I'll just go over the brief overview and then I'll go line
050by line in a couple areas where things have changed. So, um local we do have a small amount of intermediate revenue which you'll see on um page 12, but it was so small that it just made the graphs really funky. So, I took that line item off, but you can see intermediate revenue, which I believe is projected at like 20,000 next year. Um, and that's just our uh common school fund get through the city school fund. But, so local revenue um going up a little bit. I think it was close to like just under 3% projected. And that's our taxes. Um, state revenue, same thing projected at just about 3% for us. beginning cash going down. I believe it was like 7.7%. Um that beginning cash the 3.1 in 3.1 million in the general fund
051and then we have the 200,000 additional and 101 which is the capital or which is the uh curriculum rotation fund. Um but that beginning cash we had to use every penny of this year to balance the budget to balance the expenditures. So next year this is going to look a lot different. next year. I'm assuming our beginning cash is going to be I mean next year is the year I'm worried about to be completely honest after doing the two-year budget projections. Um and I do go over all of this information with um uh I call him my mentor don't call me that. But anyway um Don CPA and um been business manager for many many moons and he he said I am worried about you guys next year. This year this year you're going to
052be okay. Um more than likely, as long as expenditures and revenue come in, you know, how the budget is, um next year, our beginning cash is going to be much lower than that. Just as a heads up, um we're going to try and do our best this year to keep it um as high as we can to balance the budget next year, but there will be more cuts next year unless funding changes. So, that just is what it is. We're going to try and do our best to, you know, prevent cuts and prevent having to cut more. Um but I am um personally thankful for our district that we started last year with the cuts and we're kind of just monitoring and going slowly as we can and trying to keep all programs um at
053the levels they are now. Um so on page 12, let me see if this was one of the ones that I wanted to go over any specifics real quick. Yes. Okay. So on page 12, I think the main one for me um which Bill may be one of your questions. Okay, I have a few things highlighted, but I think the main one I'll go over um is just um down at the bottom, capital projects fund, uh down 34%. So capital projects um fund is where our bond money sits. So we are getting closer to the end of bond projects. We're wrapping those up. We have the bus barn which you guys have probably all seen is making some good progress. Yeah. Um Yeah. So, uh so anyway, we have we have a lot of money
054expended out of that account. So, obviously the expenditures the the projected revenue expenditure is going to go down our capital projects fund because our our bond money was there and now it's being spent. So, on the resources for that, you will see that going down obviously. Um, as I mentioned earlier, beginning cash up top on page 12 down 7.44%. Again, that's going to be found even more next year unless something changes. Can that beginning cash be everything? It can be used for anything that we find we're short on. Yes. Yes. That is Yeah. So, that that's general fund money. Yeah. that that 3.1 million beginning fund cash and then we do have the 200,000 additional in the um textbook uh curriculum rotation. But the it's yes the beginning cash is in the general fund and
055general fund can be used to fund teachers um projects whatever within reason obviously the auditor would say but yes um so then going next oh thank you um the general fund expenditure summary. So now we're looking at page 14 and 15 in your budget summary documents. Um down one thing I wanted to point out um down towards the bottom you'll see a negative 37.43% in transfers of funds. So each year we have to transfer funds out of the general fund into um food service is the big one. Food service, transportation, um equipment replacement, things like that. Um last year we had to budget an additional 400 a little over 400,000 to move special revenue out of the general fund because it had been there for many, many moons before Shauna and I were over here.
056they had some special revenue donations etc sitting in the general fund um and they shouldn't be there. They should be in the special they should be in the 200 level special revenue funds. So um last year when we were um creating the budget for last year we set the transfers a little bit higher for those um to be able to have the appropriations to transfer that 400 and it ended up being a little over 48,000 into fund 254 which is its very own special revenue fund where it should be. So this year we don't have to do that. So that's why um that is lower. So that's actually a good thing because it's less money transferred out of the general fund. So that's what that negative 37 and the the special fund. So those donations
057are usually like we have one big one for Campbell already. Y that has been like we have only certain things that we can spend that on. It can't go into salaries or you know um non projects that don't sponsor kids. It has to be it's very sides how they wanted it spent. Um we have donations that we get from the community, you know, for our clothes closets and all that kind of stuff. We have Kaiser money that comes in for projects that we write a grant for and they fund. And so like that's those so I think sometimes people are like why can't you just use that money? You know it's because it's already said yeah it's earmarked how those people donating it wanted us to spend it. Wasn't there one that gentleman that passed
058away left the good money? Yeah, that's 300. Yeah, Mr. Camp. That's a 300 and some thousand one which is slowly edging its way down. That's how we pay for actually rotation of uniforms and like score clocks and stuff like that. That's how we've been able to pay for them. What's the balance? It's like 300 and some I think. Yeah, right there for What line item is that? I can't find it. Uh, it's in with funds 254. All of the there are several different donation and grant funds in 254. You don't keep that one as a separate. I don't have We don't, but in our not on this budget document, but in our system we do and I'm happy to share that document with you. They're all broken out. They all have special sub areas. This
059doesn't go down to the sub area level, but share that document with you. I kind of thought that was the case. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that would this would be probably five times as thick. Yeah. And then operating contingency on that page 14, same thing. Down 3.5% out of that 16,000 um that uh was in the operating contingency last year that we had to use to balance the budget this year. So, um, that on that page real quick on line item 240, I noticed that the contract benefits went from Turner double. Is there Can you explain that to me? Line item 240. Yeah, 240. Contract employee benefits. Are you on page 14 still? I'm on 17. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't get hit on you. I'm sorry. That's okay. And yes, I will get that.
060That is one I have highlighted. Okay. Okay. Um, one other thing I wanted to go on page 15, turn to that page. Um, capital projects fund again is, you know, down this year because bond money is being spent um, rightfully so on projects that are being completed. Um, but one thing I wanted to point out, um, I figured there was going to be a question about this. In the capital projects funds, we have some budgeted in the 2000 function and some in the 4,000 function. Last year, we had the majority of the bond funds um budgeted in the 4,000 function, which is the facility construction. We have learned from the Oregon Department of Education that our bus barn being primarily 100% for student transportation. if we code that in the 2000 level function, the transportation,
061which is 2550, um there's a good chance that they'll be able to reimburse us for depreciation on that. So that's why that got moved there. So I've been working um with Proxidist at OD to try and make sure we have everything in line that we can for that. Um the before and after pictures, all the plans, all the everything. So um so that's why the shift there. So, we're going to move um all of that from the 4,000 to the 2,000 function to to help the district um save some money and get some depreciation costers. So, that's that line item. Stay on. We're trying our best. Um let's go to well, let's see. Let's go over this slide real quick first. So, um the general fund expenditure summary. So, um, still on these pages, but
062just kind of summarizing it all, instruction costs, um, obviously slightly going up. Same with support services. And then, as I mentioned earlier, transfer of funds down a little bit because we didn't need that full transfer um, this coming year hopefully. Uh, and then operating contingency down just at 16,000 um, which is a lot, but down 16,000 to be able to to balance the budget. Amanda, why why actually put the contingency plan from prior years page 16 line item 18? It used to help me to kind of see where we are. Oh, because it's uh it's up right above that bill in the general. Got it. Transfers in the contingency. Yeah. No. Uh we don't have the Are you looking at I'm looking line item 810 sheet 16 on the general fund contingency. Oh, because there
063wasn't any in the there wasn't any carryover from those years. No, there not in No. So contingent there wasn't any actual contingency budget. No, this is this is exported directly from our eye visions. So no, there was zero those two years. The first year that it was actually in there under the contingency line that 810 was the first year that I did this budget. Got it. So yeah, I I I was wondering the same thing actually. I was like, they don't have it budgeted there. So um so no, it it wasn't there last last year was the first year that it was actually in there as a line item. Question. Thank you. You're welcome. Um okay, so that was page 16 and then there were a few things I wanted to go over on page
06417 actually because we did make a few changes here for the better. um to consolidate some things. But so on page 17 you will see um uh the additional salary line 130 object 130 um that up 47.67%. Uh reason being is historically um it's not correct accounting but a lot of uh additional salaries. people who do um you know come in and do time cards for games. Um people who get siphons for certain things. Um anything that's above and beyond their regular contract or contractual hours um was for the most part being charged to whatever they were either the 111 or the 112 licensed or classified salaries. It shouldn't be that way. We should charge it to um additional salaries which is the 130 level. it all rolls up to 130 at the ODB level.
065Um, but those should actually be in the additional salaries. So, um, we've been trying over the past couple years to kind of clean up a little bit of accounting. Um, and this is something that's it takes time and a lot of work, but um, so that's why some of these numbers look a little bit different than they did in the past, but so some licensed and classified salaries that were in the actual lines in past are now in that additional salary instead because they're going to be coded properly next year. So, we want to have them in that proper code so things things look better throughout the years. So, that's why that's at 47%. um going down uh to hers starting at 211 to 216. Um maybe this was going to be your question, Bill,
066that you Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, this one um again, this is where we're cleaning up some uh coding. So, what in the past has been done before any of us were here um is we had one, two, three, four, five. We had five separate PERS accounts that were being charged for different things and it's a mess to reconcile. It really doesn't need to be that way. Um so really so those were all being combined into 211 and 212. They they've been like that this year all year anyway, but next year we're budgeting it the way it's going to look. Um anyway, so that's that's the big changes you see there. Um actually going so Exactly. Exactly. And I know the percentages um look kind of funky in that percentage change line. It's just because
067that percentage change line, what it's doing is it takes the um the increase or decrease that line just to the left of it and it divides it by the adopted budget. So some of these look like, oh my gosh, they're going up crazy amounts. Well, part of it is it's just because, you know, they're going from, you know, like on line two for object 211, it's going from 85,000 up to 330,000. Um, but if you add these up, if you draw a little line and add up all the PERS over the years, so last year adopted budget for PERS was 1,758120 and this year the proposed budget for PERS is 1,898,964 increase of 140,000, which is what we expect, which is a lot, but um, but that's what that is. That that looks kind of
068funky, but it's just getting things budgeted where they need to go. infers is if nobody knows part of the retirement employee. Yeah. Yep. That the district pays for. Yeah. Public employee um parent. Yeah. That's uh it's a big cost to the district and it's a big benefit for all of us employees. But yeah, so that's that's what that um is there. And Bill, did that answer your question? Item 240 240. for employee benefits from the last year. So you know what that is? What is that? That is unemployment. Yes. 240. Hang on. No unemployment is 23. No, no, no, no. Sorry. 232 employee benefits. Yeah, because all classified employees now can get employment on every break. Christmas break, spring break, Thanksgiving break. It didn't go up a million bucks, but the unemploy Yeah. So 24
069That's insurance. Sorry, I was looking at the So that went down 1.3 1.93%. 241 of a million. Well, from 23, not this year. Yeah, two years ago, I think. Oh, yeah. two years ago. Last year it was two years. Yes. Actually down last year to this year. This year it's down 1.93%. But the high level on this is it went up because well I mean it went up from one year to the next year and it held its own this year. That's why unemployment went up. Yes. Yes. Yeah. legislation passed it. Yeah. And unfunded mandate from legislation. Super costly. And the thing is is what's really hard is some of like we when we break it down they just ask like if you're the conditions are that and correct me if I'm wrong the conditions
070are if you're with if with if you're doing some instructional so our instructional aids if you're with kids 70% of the time then you may not get it. um bus drivers would automatically get it custod like those types of and that's what it was supposed to be meant for was like the higher jobs that we have a hard time keeping is like our bus drivers and things like that. It wasn't necessarily meant for all of our support staff. Um but they didn't line that up in legislation. So it becomes and what's really hard for us is some of our support staff get it and some don't. And we don't determine that. The state does. And so they get upset with us. Well, how come so and so in my building got it and I did
071it? And we're like, we don't know because we don't make that determination, right? And they'll have the same job and we fill out the paperwork exactly the same. And we have had one get it and one not get it. And they're furious with us. We're like, "Sorry, like we don't do anything different." For valves, it cost them a million dollars last summer. Unplanned a million dollars that they had to pay out for unemployment costs. Yeah. And you brought up a good point the other day where last year we had the summer program so we didn't have a lot of the unemployment cost. Now we will. This summer we don't have that and so we're planning on cost going up quite a bit. Yeah, exactly. Um so overall um in the summaries salaries benefits going up
072you'll see the contracted services the 300 levels um here going down slightly that's partially due to um right now we contract with the south coast for some of our special education services we're bringing a lot of that inhouse um next year doing a um K through four K through four um adaptive life skills here. And one of the we always wanted to bring them back that was we just needed to be able to budget it. But this next year if we would have kept that program with them it would have been $600 and some thousand dollars and we felt like we could try to do that on our own and as soon as we pulled the the other districts pulled in that that program pulled for the ESD. So yeah, so we were edging there.
073They just took it a year sooner than what ready for, but we're fine with it because we couldn't have afforded the $600,000. I'm glad this for me five years ago. Yeah. All of us for me. Yeah. Yeah. So, that that's one of the reasons you'll see contracted services going down a little bit. Um supplies and materials going up slightly. um couple outlay there. Uh dues and fees pretty stable. Transfers as I mentioned um earlier down just a bit um which is good. Hopefully we can um deal with that amount there. And then contingency right about the same 15,000ish less. Um all right. And then let's move on here. Let me see if I had anything else to go through here. Oh, I did one one thing on page 18, just in case anybody has a
074question about that. So, page 18, we have uh an increase of 44.76% in the non-consumables overall. Um, and that is um like I said in the beginning, you know, we have department meetings with everybody. What are your needs for next year? Um there were a lot of non-conceivable needs that we heard from the schools um and all departments really but um the uh high school uh Jen athletic director was talking about football helmets. There's you know a need for those um next year getting those um new helmets getting them refurbished. Um we do have all of the um expenses and furniture and things like that that we're going to need for that new adaptive life skills program. We need to be able to set the classroom up properly. And then um one thing that's just
075been going on over the years is kind of deferred maintenance before Brent came on board. We we weren't, you know, keeping up with a lot of the you know, light fixtures, the you know, just everything that needs to be done. So he's been doing this year tons of light fixtures and things like that. He has a list of things that are needed for next year. So we tried to incorporate that in there the best we could. So that's why that line item is um is 44% more as well. um which is an additional 32,000 in there over last year's proposed budget. Um okay so FTE um in the proposed budget we have 109.98 FTE get to next slide on that one. So that is yeah page 19 in your budget document if you're following along.
076Um right now our current build FTE is 109.69. So this is this is not this budget is not um budgeting to take away positions that are there already. Um so 109.98 FTE 90.69 of those are in the general fund and 19.29 are in special revenue funds. See? And then change overall was 4.22 um as you'll see there. And again, those are um just positions that uh well the the math specialist um that isn't coming back, the PE teacher. Um and then we had the um the teacher adant teacher position that we were holding for increased numbers. Um and the EA. So, um, anyway, we had a we had a few vacancies that were there. Um, and so we're we can't really afford to have vacancies in the budget this year, so they're not there to
077put it simply. Um, okay. So, the next steps, uh, the board and budget committee um to review the proposed budget document. Um, please send any I know there may be additional questions. It's a huge document. We can still answer questions, but um please send any additional questions to the district office by 5:00 PM on Monday, May 19th. All questions will be responded to as soon as humanly possible, but um before 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, May 20th. Our second budget committee meeting is on Monday, May 21st. Is it Wednesday? Wednesday. Sorry. Wednesday, May 21st at 5:30. Monday on the brain because we're always Monday for board. Yes. So, yes, that's that's one. We would love to have everybody here um because if all questions have been answered and um and everything is good, then that's when
078we would hopefully approve the proposed budget. That way we can put it in front of the board for adoption. Uh so then we'll have a public hearing uh at 4:30 on Monday, June 9th. Um the regular meeting of the band and school district board will follow the budget hearing and at this meeting the board enacts resolutions adopting the budget making appropriations and declaring a tax levy. Are there any other questions that anybody has at this time? just for title one. So besides under the special revenue we don't title one funding well we have basically four fulltime staff title one what was that like four and a half staff well this year we have two teachers and two EAS next year we can't afford that one teacher and I think it's we looked at I guess
079it's depending on first. Yeah, I'll just it's a specific question just I I have question because the budget process are rolling and you said the changes and the monitoring is an important part of it. Um do you have to go back to the board for four times a year? No. Um we go back to the board for approval if uh things will come in so different that we are going over appropriations in function levels. So say we budgeted for you know spending 3 million in the instructional level that 1000 level but uh oh we're coming in at 3.5 million or even 20,000 over that 5,000 over that. we need to go to the board. We need to say you guys approved um you all approved X amount in the 10,00 level. We're going to be
080you know at the end of the year we're going to be at this. So we need to do a resolution. So the board looks at that and they um hopefully approve or we move some things around or what we figure it out. But we do need to go back to the board and create a resolution senator in the following that you're talking about trying to be really conservative in the laying out this budget. Um maybe I misunderstood that but I would think you want to be uh less than conservative. So, you've got approval in case you get money that you hadn't anticipated, then you don't have to ask for an approval. Yeah. Yeah. And that's Thank you for saying that. When I first got into this profession, I'm like, "No, you need to budget like
081why don't you just budget 50 million because then LA comes in." Um, but I I'm with you on that. Absolutely. Um, so you want to try and get it as close as possible and if additional funding comes the the per Oregon budget law, that's kind of the the right way to do it is is budget approximately what you think you're going to get. If you do need to come back and um for additional appropriations, then do that. But we do try and um have that a little bit with that fund which um uh that one we put 150,000 in at the special revenue fund. Um, no money is actually in there, but we budget $250,000 in there to come in. That way, if we get additional grants throughout the year, then we get an additional
082$100,000 in grant money. Excellent. It's going to have its own fund number. It's not only 260, but we'll have appropriations from that fund to be able to spend it. Um, but we want to try and be as transparent as possible. If we were to say, okay, our budget's 50 million and we have, you know, 15 vacant positions that we know we aren't going to fill in there and we know the revenue is not going to come in to fund them, then that's not being very transparent for Oregon budget law. And so that's not frowned upon. But I I agree with you 100%. I I I would love to get confusing when you look like you're patting that much because it makes you look like you have that much. So when people look at it and
083say, "Well, yes, you can. You can afford it. Look at all this you have." and you're like, "No, that's really kind of an empty account." Hoping that we get that money, but we haven't really gotten that money. People don't understand that. So then it's like, "Well, you're hiding it." And then we're like, "I'm hopeful, but it may not come." And so that isn't going to be streamlined to any certain accounts until maybe it comes in and then we'll put it where it needs to belong. But that's kind of the way of being that unconservative, that bigger amount. if we ever get that much um extra money, I would like be mind blown. Like that would like blow my mind if the state was to give us that extra the downside. The downside of would have
084been different. Yeah. Esser would have been a one-time funding. So they have the different things that you have to do for that. So then if I understand the downside of overestimating is that it would have maybe appeared to not be transparent. And number two, there's some limitation in law that will guide you or if it's not law, maybe it's accounting place that will guide you to a limit that you really can't underestimate. Is that correct? So that's why you're trying to take it closely as you can. Yes, if I'm understanding you correctly, yes, we want to try and be as close as we can um to what we're what we actually think is going to come in. Um that way, you know, we're more transparent. If those funds do come in, we go back to
085the board and we say, "Hey, we got this grant for $100,000. If it's more than what our appropriations are, then um at that point they, you know, we create a resolution to be able to send those funds and the way they were meant." Um I almost think I had to do that my first year when we went from the 200,000 to SIA to like the 500. Yeah. Because the budget was already adopted when I came and they had adopted the 200,000. So the 300 more was like and it wasn't budgeted anywhere because nobody thought that they didn't know we got that. So I know that first year we had to do that for the 300,000 extra which was people which was a maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we we tried to to some extent so
086we don't have to thug the board a whole lot with resolutions with that budget authority fund that which we appreciate the bug though at least you know. Sure. Oh yeah, huge. Rather have us come together worth more than sorry we over spent but like like I was just showing you know AJ like our our reinsurance which everybody knows right if you own property you watched in the last two years go from like this so has ours ours is almost doubled. Our uh water bill from last year was 12,000 for the year around 12,000 for the year. I think the last time we checked it's over 60,000 and we're still not done with the year yet. So, I mean, when people talk about inflation in their own homes, we have it in the school district, too.
087I mean, our food program is killing us really. And we're staffed. I mean, we have we have two lunch centers. So, we have to have enough for two, you know, groups to go serve lunch, but taking three and $400,000 out each year of the general account to pay for that because that's lunches, you never make money and there's so much waste in it with all the guidelines that USDA makes us do and all of that. But it's like that's a huge expense and to think that maybe it won't be funded. We're thinking, "Oh my gosh, that's a that's a half a billion dollars that we got to figure out how we're gonna plus what the extra is every year." So, I don't know how you a budget cut. It's also an increase of everything. Yes.
088And you're only allowed to buy like I mean they want you to buy only American, which is great, but there's not always those in stock. And so, and when you do that, then you got to pay this amount instead of this amount. And so yeah, the last couple years because everything went up because of CO, it never came back down. So, so yeah, we all see that in our own little budget. Exactly. And that's what I think people forget is that school is a whole it has its inflation too. Everything's going up. But Mr. Ken makes good food still biscuits and gravy. Well, you got to ask certain days know when they're eating when they're not. Yeah, any public input is the next item on our agenda. If anyone zoom any other questions. I just
089said is it feasible to get support day ahead of time versus same day public disclosure like that but yes it's okay with Shauna that's fine with me trying to like yeah getting the proposed budget next year like I think there's some of that and some of it was like presenting it because people don't pay attention when they get it, they already have everything outlined and then we don't get through the presentation because we're asking all the questions. So I think the motto was like this is your presentation, go back, get the questions, ask the questions, the next meeting would be all the questions answered. That's why there's really three meetings designed to where if we weren't able to answer all the questions and there were still more, there's still one more meeting to do that.
090And I think that was the reason why there's so many meetings is to be able to present it to you, answer the questions you may have now, go home, look at it, go through it, know what your questions are for the next meeting or beforehand or ideally. Yeah. Send send them to me beforehand. We just don't I don't want to send it out before because then I think the distraction is there of you already have everything outlined and then you don't really hear the presentation. Kind of like being new to it, too. Like you know, he's he's like, "Well, what about this?" and you're like, "I'll get to it. I'll get to it." Like, I think if you already had this, you would you would have even more questions outlined, then we wouldn't get that
091piece of it. But we are trying to make sure that we meet everybody that may show up here, not just you guys, but everybody. So, I think that if we put it out to you early, we need to put it out to the community early, too. So, that's where it's kind of like here's the here's it's presented. If you want one, we have one for you kind of thing. I just think it these are very costly. I don't want to make a lot of them like my only $100. I think that's fair to 48 hours ahead of time. It's helpful didn't even have general familiarity start getting it maybe two or three hours ahead of time. But now you'll have it. You'll have it now and you'll be able to answer the questions for the
092week. We have a week now before we see each other again. This will be ample time after explanation and some other questions overview already done. Now, if there's other questions when you dive in deep at night, I know this is what you want to read at night. Very good reading material. Then you'll have those questions and the community will be able to come back next week with questions they may have. You're doing that because you're on the budget community. I would say for anyone on the committee getting 24 to 48 hours early, that's fine. But yeah, I would come into this more prepared if I had a day or so to Yeah, I understand that. I think we're kind of going off of what's been done historically. And I think like Shauna said, one of
093the main things is well, we don't want it out there too early without being able to go over it and explain here's what this change is, here's what this change is, you know, we don't want up from the community. Why is, you know, why why are pers going down 200% and this one line item like they're not paying our no, it's being moved here. So, just having the explanation out there first and that for all of you who are, you know, are touching points with the community, being able to say, "Oh, that was explained. You know, here's what it is." Um, just kind of having that explanation out there because we can't obviously give that explanation all in paper or form. So, I think that's probably the main thing, but I do see your point
094in having it a day in advance or whatever. And especially if you guys aren't, you know, putting it out there already before we have the opportunity to go over and explain it. Um, you know, something we can talk about for next year. I'm not going to run post 48 hours. Any other questions? All right, it's at this moment where we can choose to approve the budget, not present it, or amend the budget or adjourn and give us time to look over the budget. You can move to discussion open vote. table. That's