001this work in executive session to order. Welcome everybody. Um let's stand please for forever. >> Okay. Um, we'll call roll. Uh, students up, student representative Kenna, I do not know how to pronounce her last name. >> She's not going to be joining us. >> anymore. I think she withdrew her name. >> Okay. Oh, really? >> Yes. Bummer. >> So, are we gonna open that back up to for another? >> Not this year. >> If something changes, I'll keep you posted. So, that >> Okay. Okay, this was confusing. I'm sorry. Student representative Joseph Power, you okay? >> Director Michelle Russell, are you here? >> Yeah. >> Director Melanie Kllins, are you here? >> Here. >> Bill, can you take off? Vice Chair Christine Smith Reed >> here is here also. >> Sorry. Okay. I'm going to
002get in trouble. Okay, >> we are going to recess into recess. I have a public statement I need on the record. >> Uh, we don't do public statements at this time and I will not accept one. >> I will not accept one. >> So, actually, >> you you cannot deny me a public statement. >> Okay. >> Seriously. Has >> it been 20 minutes? >> I'm just asking. >> Oh, it hasn't been. >> I will request to be have it on the record. Well, I'm gonna put I'm not open session yet. >> Yeah. >> You clearly already talked about this, right? >> I did not talk to about this. >> How much time we got left before we hit the 20 minute mark? Do you know? No, he's saying like what time do we what time
003do we stop? Four minutes. Four more minutes. Okay, we're back in session. Michelle, for the record, I request that my concerns be placed on the next agenda. >> A school board member generally cannot make a statement or take action on a topic that's not listed in a meeting agenda. Why boards allow public comment on items not to be on agenda, extensive board deliberation or formal actions on such a topically discouraged to comply with open >> to ensure compliance with transparency and topic for board members and statements or significant discussion must be included in the official meeting notice. >> So which means you can put it on at the next board meeting >> which I just did. >> You would have let me finish. You would have known that's what I was doing. >> Sir, I
004have the right to speak. You did not let me finish. >> I was just reading what >> if you would have let me finish. You would have known that's what I was doing. >> All right. I guess we're going to go ahead and recess to executive session. Uh the board manner executive session to deliberate with persons designated to carry on labor negotiations. At this time, the press will not be allowed because we are discussing labor negotiations. And we're journal We were just wondering >> we're going live again folks. Okay, I'll call the meeting back to order. Now we start on board topics or policies. First one up. Does anybody have questions on BBMFA? It looks to be pretty much the same except they changed some wording around a little bit and the version I have
005crossed the crossouts and everything. It changed like public and made it public. >> The one that you printed for us, does it have the cross out or >> No, I just I just grabbed the summary. That was all that was that was with the OAS thing. These are from the original ones that I I got at our last board meeting. >> Would you mind telling me what has changed that? >> Yeah. Um, this is just words. I can show you. I'll be more than happy to share. I'll show you guys. >> I think I do. Can I just get this? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> There we go. that one. It says there's no really significant impact at all except they're just changing verbiage around a little bit. >> Okay. And and 95%
006of the time that's all it is or there's new legal words for something. >> And then when does this get entered into >> after we have another board member? >> Is this the first reading or second reading? >> This one's the second reading, isn't it? Or is that only on part of it? >> Tonight is the work session where you're work you had your first read last meeting and then the next regular meeting will be your second read >> of this of the policy. >> I would like to sorry it also gives you the time to discuss it more. Did you want to see it? I think >> it's >> Yeah, I pulled it back. It was from uh a previous email in there. I I had to do a little digging to find it.
007>> Okay. >> It mean me. I just had to print it out. I just can't I can't >> um I might suggest um that instead of just going in order since we're the time is later that we look at the priority ones. >> Okay. Are these on the supplemental sheet on this one? that we're talking about. >> So I assume the JFC is what you're wanting to look at now then. >> Well, we kind of go quickly this then I think we um like BBFA I think everybody's okay with the first second read. I'll just move on. Uh BCF is the same thing more just redlining out language and we can always look back at them too. uh BHD another thing just rewarding on policy >> and that didn't change that we have none right
008except for mileage >> is that a new policy is that one that we even have >> your reimbursements >> oh there it is on top of >> tested is where policy. Absolutely. >> Well, we don't have to take that on, correct? >> No. >> We always said we wanted the >> Okay, I guess. >> However, you are surrounded by school. >> All right. So, we're talking now about board member staff meals member and staff meals. says, "Over the past few months, there have been questions regarding prohibited use violations under Oregon ethics law. Oregon government ethics committee commission is the governing body over these laws. Some of these questions include board member and staff consumption of food and provided by the district. Many districts have language addressing this. BBFA covers board member ethics and conflict of
009interest." Uh see the second paragraph and DJ ar expenditure of district funds for meals and refreshments and gifts. So further districts are encouraged to review the language and determine if it matches current practice. If the district is providing benefits beyond what it is included in this policy and administrative rea regulation, amending language and practice and andor practice is recommended. Note board members may be faced with conflict of interest when voting on changes to BBFA. Collective bargaining agreement. None. Local district responsibility reviewing existing policies and administrative regulations or compliant or compared to current practices. That one right there. Okay. Sorry. That's the one that we just looked at right there. >> Is that BHD? >> That is BBFA. [Music] That was the board member ethics that we looked at. >> That's the one you said was
010okay. >> Yep. I think everybody was okay with what the revisions were on that one. Is there any questions on the board member and staff meals? >> No. >> Okay. >> So, we're going on next to public meetings. Over the last year, the Oregon legislature and Oregon government of ethics and commission has made several changes and updated to various public meeting laws. OSBA is working on updates to many of the related policies. These policies will be released after OGAC OC. >> Oh, I'm sorry. OSGC. I was going to repeat it. Oregon Government Ethics Commission finalizes the rules related to SB150. 24 paragraphs 2024 and requirement for educational entities to post recordings of meetings on NTC's website. There are no other policies that says affected by these revisions and no responsibility siphons. I think this is
011the one that director Russell, we kind of talked about briefly about not having to adopt. Um, in 2023, the Oregon legislature passed House Bill 2753, removing the prohibition of prohibitation of district school board members receiving compensation authorized STEM stipens. However, her Oregon ethics law makes implementation of stipensing challenging. This year, the Oregon legislature passed SB93 parentheses 2025, moving one of the barriers related to budget adoption, making it simpler for board members to receive stipens. As members of the district currently have policy language prohibiting from any compensation for board members, one of the first step towards stipens and amend those language. Updating this policy does not mean that stipens will automatically be provided. Payment of stipens is generally contingent upon forward action on the budget resolutions or both. Consideration of this policy update is likely considered
012a potential conflict in interest under OSR OS244.020. Board members are encouraged to declare this conflict during any board meeting in which this policy is considered in accordance with OS244.120. boards can move forward with the amendment on this policy even if the board does not want to make does not want to provide stipens at this time. >> So at this time do we need to declare the conflict if this is what we're bringing forward right now? >> Yes, I think so. I think we all do, don't we? >> Conflict. >> We all need to declare a conflict. It sounds like >> So Michelle Russell is declaring a conflict. >> Do I second? >> You would do the same thing, right? >> I declare a conflict. I declare that >> and I declare a conflict. >> So
013then now do we discuss it after we've declared the conflict? Okay. So >> I don't think we have it in the budget. Yeah. >> And I don't think we really need >> Do we even really need to >> We know >> I think we need to but it's fair to have conversation. >> We I think we need to have the conversation but I also think it needs to be made clear that we don't have it in the budget. >> But do we have to amend this? No, we just not adopt. >> We can stay exactly the way we are currently, right? >> Yeah. So, let me just real quick kind of explain how the summary reads. When you look at the front page, you're seeing the list of all the um policies that OSBA is
014sharing as suggestions to look at for this um this update. And when you look at that first one, BHD board member stipen and reimbursement, do you see how it says optional? Mhm. >> It's optional. >> Okay. >> But then as you look down through these, and this is why I suggested maybe we look at the ones instead of just going down through the whole there's some that are required >> that really are pretty important that we address. And then there's highly required. >> Um there's optional. There's delete required to delete that kind of thing. >> So let's do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I've heard that. I didn't I was just going >> I thought you were telling me to go from stop looking at this before. >> No, it's all it's so go faster.
015No kidding. I just teasing that either. I just think it's really important that when you guys get when you receive these because you'll get these from me anytime I get them from OSBA >> and you'll you'll be able to understand how to read that. >> Okay. So, we need to start with DBA. Yeah, >> that and then >> yeah, >> I mean wherever you want to start. >> That's what I was going to say. Where am I looking at? >> No, not even pamphlet. >> There you go. >> Oh, gotcha. Okay, >> that's hard to find in the >> What page is that on there? So on the front page here and so we're doing the highly recommend but where is the page for that? Oh >> I didn't either. That's why I was questioning
016that one. >> Sorry not aligned with So these are the ones that you're >> looking for D. >> Okay. It's not in here. So, should we go to the next one? >> Yeah. Or we could start with the required >> the highly recommended ones. Yeah. >> I would say >> Oh, required are not the same as highly recommended. >> So, records of students with disabilities. >> Okay. So, we're going to >> Jr. And they're not they maybe aren't going to be in the >> um the email that I sent you that had all the policies listed or you know that each of there were a bunch of attachments. >> It was one of those. So I So I don't see anybody having their devices out and that's what I you guys would have your >>
017Oh, I just got mine today. I couldn't bring it. I mean I don't have my I just envisioned you guys looking at your the policies on your devices as we went through the required ones. Um, another option if we want to ask um, Mr. Leader to present them on the Oh, yeah. Can you >> There you go. expecting stuff out of us again. So, igabjelle. It's It's more of a It's a more of a clean it up again on on the language. >> Yep. And then you'll see on there. >> Oh, it's it's on that too. >> You can Yeah. This is where he printed off the ones that are have the red mark. So they're making their suggestions or >> sometimes the best thing you do is read it out loud to yourself. Okay.
018Because then we can tell it makes it >> good or bad. >> Adding language and changing. >> I agree with that. Yeah. >> If you see something sometime you don't understand. I can see it. >> Yeah, because otherwise I'll use my cell phone name agency. Okay. times and then find out later there was a really dang good reason why they told you to do that. >> Is that the end of that one? [Music] >> Yeah. Okay. I'm ready. What does it mean if there's not Oh, they just added it. It's not crossed off. It's just added. >> Okay, I'm ready. Is anyone else? Yeah. >> Scroll all the way. Okay, >> never mind. >> The doctor said three of 11. I was going, wait a minute. Just so you remember, you guys did agree that
019you wanted to have a policy review committee. And so because we hadn't we don't have that established yet, we're practicing what we would be doing at a policy review. This is a work session. This is like what we would do in a policy review. Yes. And so um we can start um like asking folks to join that um before the next work session happens so that we can make sure >> community members and students. So, do we actually need to read every word or can we just scroll down till we see the change? >> Scroll down. What we do in advance is you get these in advance. Like I've already read all of these, right? And it's usually usually you go with whatever >> they um but we have you heard at the listening session
020the cell phone um conversation. So, they might want to bring board members that were in that might want to share kind of what students were sharing, what families were sharing around that. That's what we'd want to talk about. But these kinds of things, these are just simple >> edits. Are all of them simple edits and until we get to the board, until we get to the cell phone? >> Are there some that you would have to choose language like you want to choose? >> Yeah, we do have a proposed on instructional manual structural materials. >> It is a proposed >> Oh, it'll say proposed on >> and we won't get through all of these. >> That's highly recommended. It's not required. Yeah. >> Then can we finish this one and then skip to the phone?
021>> Yeah. >> So I've listed I've got a list of all the required. >> Okay. >> Let's try to >> So this one is required and I >> what? >> Yes. >> What's the blue? Just >> that's just a grammar we edit. It's like that's like that's Google doc just telling you it's wrong. >> So when you guys get these ahead of time, if you guys have a chance to look at them, then you kind of could come up with I don't like this paragraph here, let's look and dissect this together >> kind of thing. Or if I don't understand this, can explain this to >> and then what the policy review committee will do with rotating like different also like department experts. We definitely want Lori who's back there who's looked at this as
022well and we'll get we give s suggestions to um specific things. Um we'll bring all those suggestions from the policy review committee and the department leads to the board when you do your read so that you'll know that they've already been reviewed by the committee and by experts in the school district to help support your choice. >> Can staff be on this team? >> Yeah, absolutely. want to gonna tell us how it affects. >> What's like what would be the recommended size of a policy committee? >> It just depends. >> Probably two board members and >> weren't we did we we talked about briefly right like two board members rotating every quarter. >> You didn't talk about that >> and what three or four other folks or >> it just depends. I would think that
023you would want a consistent group of people. >> Yeah. >> And then you'd want to bring on like if that consistent group is like, "Oh, wait. We're talking about >> special education and Lori is not on the team." Yeah. >> Right. You want to bring >> Yeah. Okay. >> like an expert. >> But if you have a staff member that is has a special ed background >> that's not an administrative, that's fine, too. You just want somebody at the table that pass. >> To be fair, not reading every single word like we're looking at things that are just changing. >> Okay. Especially getting rid of all of our gender, >> right? We've been doing that for a couple years. >> Just trying to get them all caught up that way. So then what do we
024do? We say we're good. >> You guys good with that? Yes. And then it will go to the board to the board meeting on the 24th for final final and >> so then are you in on all of the work sessions with the team on this because you would be the one putting Okay. >> So she's she's doing the secretary work. We should put it all in one edit so you'll have it all. >> Okay. >> That's where she's done. Yeah, >> thanks to Ed because he put it all and so did um Paul into a Google format because OSBA sends it all in just word so they're all attachments and so this way there could be collaboration with folks um on it and then it's all in one place. >> So the next required
025one is I KF but it's a conditionally required. So which >> which means what? Yeah. What does that mean? I mean does it mean that it based on just applies to seniors or is it based on what what does that mean? >> Well, it would be because of the co of co there's conditional requirements to a certain year those go away like essential skills all of those things. So you pull that up on there. It'll say >> it's taken it's taken that right out on the very first paragraph. >> So it's only conditional because when that time goes away with the state of Oregon, then you have to update it like when we pass everyone. >> Okay. >> So at ik >> please. This numbering system is so confusing. >> Yeah, >> this makes it
026easier looking on the big screen. draft in that category. [Music] Yeah. All the way to page three is the next changes. So if you scroll up just a little bit um see the highlighted see at the end of that paragraph that's highlighted, it's got that bracket. >> So, anything in that bracket is what we decide. You guys decide um if it's in our policy or not in our policy. So, we either choose to have it or we choose not to have it. That's a decision that has to be made. >> So, currently it's not in our policy. Then, if it's got the brackets, then we're going to add it, right? Thank you for that. >> Yeah, >> I forgot about the brackets. >> The squiggly brackets are them like um just giving you ideas, suggestions
027or whatever not to put in the policy. They're just talking about something to you. But the brackets you have to ch the hard brackets you have to choose whether it's in there or not. >> You can go. Yeah. >> And like I said this is conditionally. So I do we have a >> I was just going to ask do we even have one >> is that just >> no what is it called I don't think we have that here but I am too new to know about >> we use two >> so then I don't think it applies >> so let me yeah can we just check on it to be there if we don't do that anymore >> and again what does the squiggly lines mean >> she's saying no >> what is the
028squiggly mean just adopt this language only if it's they're just really talking to you like here it says adopt this language only if the district offers international baloria programs for the high school students they're saying higher education career path skills can be requested by the district so >> that's a rest like can we make sure there's nothing in the rest of it 11 H5. One little change there. >> Extended diplomas look like they're removed. >> No, that's added. So, >> oh, was that added? I'm sorry. >> An extended diploma is what? >> Like for fifth year seniors or something or is that what that is? >> Lori, do you know? I don't know what that means. >> An extended diploma. You might want to come to the table as if you're in the present. Is
029that Jane for the the modified are some of our students with special needs? >> Yeah, there are two special needs diplomas right now. One is the modified diploma um and also students without special needs can qualify and then the extended diploma is for students has a different criteria. So, it's a 12 credit plus some other credits, too. So, thinking about some of our really um students who need significant modifications to their course curriculum or their classes and sometimes they're aligned to specialized programs, sometimes it's resource room and then that's >> so kind of like to our 21 year old graduates. there requirement, but there's there's definitely board policy that not board policy, but there's policy in the OAR that say how a student could qualify for each one of those different diploma options. >> So,
030this is something we should be adding. >> Okay. Particularly if we offer that diploma with you right now. Can't we just use the same appeal process that we have? And if we accept into this, would we need to make that appeal process available now? >> Yeah. So, you're choosing the second set of brackets is what I'm hearing. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> So, I just wanted to So, I was I knew it was in division 22. So, I was pulling up division 22 for um 24 25. So the extended diploma came into effect it looks like on May 21st 2024. So it's why it's been added to these because it's a policy. I don't know when the last time we adopted the policy. Okay. >> So yeah. >> So you just know we'll add everything
031with the extended Then what's the uh blue? Is that constant here? It's just an add or >> it keep being blue. I wasn't catching >> like clearly underlined blue. >> No, this is just different color blue with underlined all the way across. >> That's just an a link. I would assume >> is it a link? >> No, it looks like it's an ad of something. >> No, >> I didn't see that on there. So that >> No, that's at the bottom. Yeah, that would be a link. It's a link to that law. So that just it shouldn't be. It went blue because of how >> it look didn't look like a link. >> There it is right there. See at the bottom. >> It's Google telling you that. Yep. >> And we should just hire
032him to explain all this computer stuff to >> what's the next one we should be looking at. >> Um, >> so the next one would be JFC and that's the personal electronic devices. >> That's not going at the school. >> Yes. >> Are keeping phones away? I haven't seen cell phones out. >> Okay. Version one is they're asking for it to be delete. >> I think it's D1 and it's >> does I'm sorry. Does D1 >> That's the wrong one. That's the delete one. >> Delete all deleted. >> And then >> should be >> JF just a regular is required. Ko >> and it's right there. That's the version two because we're deleting version one. So here's >> version two. It says delete as well. And same with version three. >> Yeah. All three of
033them were trying to adapt. >> Yeah. >> There's one version two where it says proposed. >> Talk about do board members want to share. So, a lot of parents were up that one parent uh said that she uses her kids watch to track them. Um they're elementary age kids and she has it put into school mode and we were pretty clear about we can't give you a pass because you're a good parent and teach your kids to do things this way. this is just a law. We don't have very much wiggle room. It's great to hear this. It's also great for them to hear this is not us choosing this. We understand in the current environment especially >> taking cell phones seems awful. We also were very specific. We don't want to take them. We
034just want them to be put away. >> Right. We want your kid to have their cell phone in their backpack in in up and away. We don't want to have to implement things like, "Oh, lock up your phone, right? We want your kid to have it in the case of an emergency, but we also need them to follow the rules." And so there was another kid who said uh >> for his school >> he was using it for his schedule and time management >> and sport updates and things >> because the schedule has changed. He's a junior. He's the schedule's changed every year that he's been there and to know that he has seven periods this year and the school's new and knowing where his the school shape is new and stuff that right the
035layout. So knowing where he's going, he was getting lost and he was doesn't want to get in trouble for looking at his phone to try and figure out where his class was. And that >> we did talk a lot too about how you know staff are adapting as well. So you're they're going to a lot of teachers use the take a picture of your assignment and scan it and send it in and that's how they turn in their homework. So there's going to be have to be be new policies implemented by all kinds of people and we did do a lot of encouraging talk. Please write a letter to legislature like write a letter to your governor. >> Hold on. I'm sorry. I I want to just so even at home they can't send in
036their homework via phone anymore. >> So they can but but like like uh was it one was it kid today that was talking about it? But the the teacher No. So even in enrollment, so like when kids came to get their schedules, what we were >> doing is showing them how to pull it up on their phone >> and helping them log in and all of those things. And so now that's not >> allowed. >> Like they weren't giving out hard copies. Here, put this in your mind. >> Right. We did that just this two weeks ago. >> Yes. >> At the beginning of registration. By the end they were giving registration. >> Right. So, we did say, you know, thank you for grace. There's everyone's learning because the teachers came back one week earlier
037and they're all, you know, especially teachers that have adapted to kids use cell phones for everything. So, we want to connect with the kids and help the kids and now they have to change all their processes as well. And um so there was a lot of just like open dialogue. And I think that like one guy uh whoever that dad was at the end said, you know, it was really nice and refreshing to hear the positive impact that having no phones can be, but they also had concerns that are valid. There's just not language wiggle room within the law for us to one parent had a your mom she said you know the notoriously off-campus lunch is a time for negative behavior to happen and now we're saying hey kids go across the street or
038go here off campus to use your phone because that's when we're allowing it because the law specifically says except when not on campus or I don't know quote me on that. It's something along those something. >> I hope people are encouraging but that will yeah if you don't find >> and it's like well the kids want their phones we understand that. I want my phone. I'm never without my phone. I get that. Uh and um one kid uh said it's it seems hypocritical because if you see a teacher using it, it was >> thought teachers were not supposed to. Well, so the law has nothing to do with adults, teachers, because this is why when we sat in the OSB session was that >> um some schools don't have like the intercom systems and so
039they they're using it for safety as well as there's other reasons why adults would um have to use their phones during the day. But people are saying that they are mindful of it. Like even when I was at the high school on Tuesday, >> I always have my phone in my pocket and I'll pull it out to check the time or if I hear it feel it buzz, I didn't I didn't pull it out at all because I was telling kids, "Oh, thanks for remembering. Put your phone away and they oh yeah, I forgot." They put it away. >> But I was like not pulling my phone out because I'm like that's I feel it typically asking we don't even get to ask teachers to not keep it on their desk. I can say like
040teachers a lot of them are putting it in desks because like I had a teacher say like her husband. Um so like like said like it seems he's like it seems fair that if you have to put away your cell phone and aren't going to use it I might as well ask teachers to ask >> they're just sliding it in desks and putting it away because they're like I don't feel like it's fair for me to like look at you and be like you can't have your cell phone out right now. But I don't want a kid walking in in a passing period and a teacher looking at their phone during passing period. I don't think that's right either. >> I know. But we we they brought it up that OSBA and the attorney said
041very specifically that no, this is this law is not intended for adults >> and we would have to go into conversations with collective bargaining units as well if we were going to start doing that because it' be a change of working conditions. It could be considered that. So we needed we need to take this was all from >> Okay. >> I think that's fair. I just I just have to ask a question. I think many are going to model behavior they want to >> I just got it off but that makes sense. And you you heard like someone said uh what did someone say now I can't remember >> they use it in classes >> that they oh yeah that someone said they are using it some teachers are the cool teachers and let them
042use it in class and it's like okay >> you know said well uh we're just show us some grace while we're uh >> working on it around the board about not doing right we want the cool teacher. We want them all to be be expecting the same thing in every class. So, how do we address that? Well, when I mean they I think when they realized that we were all perking up like this because there were several administrators in the room, it was like, "Oh, well, we're not gonna like we don't want to." >> Yeah, I'm not going to teach because just walking through classrooms like when I'm there on Tuesdays walking in and out of classes. I didn't see any >> like students using phones in classrooms when I was walking in and out
043of the high school. Um, at lunchtime I only asked maybe maybe two students and it was totally you could tell it was just taking the time and it was like I forgot and put their, you know, they put it back. It's just like going to take some time for people. >> We just have to ask every child to buy new watches. >> I also think that there's an option here, >> right? Right. But it's a smartwatch, right? So watches all buying new watches because kids want to know all the time. >> Supposed to put it in my backpack. So what was interesting is that there's no some of the kids were saying there were no locks in classrooms. >> They don't comput some. Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There are
044clocks but they just don't work. >> No. Okay. There are very few classrooms where I clock >> but for some reason some have multiple clocks. >> Alison wonder. So yeah, so one might work, one, but as far as I can tell, like first day of school for like older kids, there was a classrooms, a couple of them that I was in that didn't, their clocks were like off and then by this week everything was staged back. >> That might be the fact that it was putting the like the in some spaces they have like the screens in the school say the time and all this stuff. But um really though that's kind of the procedural stuff we're going to need to work through and we're going to need help with everybody like going okay so
045this these are the expectations or making sure we're all following these expectations right but really for policy sake this is you know they were and they were really great about you know hey can we do this or can we add this or can we do this and I'm like well we're kind of gonna like there's a right it's really clear that it's this is the way you're going to write the policy >> the hard thing is hearing peer parents who are like, I don't need you to parent my kid. I parent your kid. I parent my kid. We have rules and our kids are not using their stuff during class. And it's like, man, I hear you. I do want you to know that. I hear you. And I'm not questioning your parenting ability, but
046some >> people don't parent and everyone has to pay the price. So, at the end of the day, can a kindergartener take their watch out of their backpack and put it on so that they can walk home and mom can track them? >> And that's something that we could put in here when they grab their backpacks at the end of day that detail in policy. That would be like um the if it's off in the way in the backpack, you know, that's fine, but like the substitute whether they put it back on or not, but >> so like yeah, as soon as the day, I'm free to put my watch back on. >> Okay. >> And and that was offered to this mom like and she didn't like that and that's okay. She she is
047totally if we're going to look at like that Kiran Horman, >> right? Right. Yeah. He was in the school, right? So, I also brought up because they asked questions, well, how can this be an executive order? But I just had to speak to COVID. Like, remember all the executive orders that came in with COVID with masks and you had to get vaccinations and all of those things and that it was tied to those executive orders where if you don't follow the executive order, you could lose your license as an administrator or a teacher or you could um you'll be fined, right? And so, those are things that would come along with >> certain of these executive orders as well. So, we talked about like eventually if we weren't following the rules that they could withhold
048money from us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can we read it? >> And that the uh time lag in there is for them also to get a chance to review everything and add more change policy a little bit more law to it >> just a little bit. >> Just as much as this is made for us, it was even for the people put together so quick. >> Yeah. Seriously, >> we may all >> You did talk about how because the time we're we're given until Halloween to have a policy in place and until January one or something like that to have it enforced. >> Yeah. >> Um that they're like they're in special legislation right now, right? Special session. So there are some things that could very well change on this between then and now and
049then >> which is why it's important that if people don't like this they should write to the people who can make a difference >> they're doing just a tiny bit >> honestly the right to the governor the legislature and I know that >> it would be a great lesson for you >> so Um this part says your friends must be placed in district provided pouches or may be kept by students in lockers, backpacks or personal electronic devices are not stored on the students. >> Correct. >> So geez. So they can't even have it in their pocket. >> No because I'll tell you right now it doesn't work. I there was the rule. >> Hold on. So let's say there's just just hear me out. Are there backpacks with them in each class? >> Yes. Yeah,
050people in school is not allowed to not anymore. >> They're not allowed to take their >> Okay, I have no knowledge of that because when I was in middle school, >> so if I would disagree then with the middle school because if there's a shooting, which let's just be real, it happens. >> I am going to want my child to be able to text me >> 100%. And I would say that that needs to change if we're going to do this. >> So then then that would need to come down to like the middle school. But I was told when I went to the middle school to visit in the summer with all these this beautiful middle school with all these beautiful lockers, they don't use them. >> Yeah, >> they don't use the lockers
051at the middle school. So, I'll have to um I will have to figure out and then there might be a few kids that use it, but I'm just saying overall. So, we'll have to have a conversation with um uh administrators because it says multiple spaces, right, that you can have it for this down here at the bottom. And I pointed at mine, but it's up there. So, like if there were pouches in the classroom, >> whether if there's pouches or there's like cubbies or they, you know, some kids, most students have a backpack even in elementary school. Um, >> but if they can't, >> they can't take them to school. It's not as big of a deal because they don't switch classes. Their stuff is with them in class. >> I am genuinely clear. We
052do know for a fact that middle school went back to >> my daughter is in middle school and she is not allowed her backpack in class. She does however take a binder with a strap and it zips up and it's got compartments in there. So she comes into school, she doesn't even take a backpack anymore. She keeps her PE clothes in there. And that's why I never I don't know why exactly. Do you know why? Do you know why they're not allowed? >> It was It was space. >> Okay. So, >> so we can look into all of that, but we have to I mean we this is this is just the pilot. >> No, I just I just want like before I just want to make a decision on whether we do maybe kept
053in student lockers or backpacks but personal that not stored on the student or must be placed in district provided pouches or storage. That's hard to decide when we don't have >> My husband used to have a shoe organizer and he had the couches knocked out attendance. It's their phone in there and that's their parents complained. So the former administrator >> So here's the problem. We don't have pouches for all classes. That would be a financial impact to buy the pouches for all classes. It also puts the onus on us when we take a phone even. >> My preference would be that we say, you know, we say the backpack, right? Or locker or whatever it is we want to say because it gives some choice because you don't have to say specifically, right? You can
054say or. >> And then what we can do is have conversations with administration, right? because they gave feedback into this and they totally understood all the ins and outs and they said they I think the middle school said they had a lot of classrooms with pockets that they were already using. So if and we don't want to say no you can't have use a pocket if you have it right. We have to make it flexible enough where can we say something >> students lockers and locker whatever lockers backpacks personality must not be stored on the student but could we also just add all of it pouches backpacks or lockers? >> I mean could we just do that so that it is somewhere? >> Yeah, >> we just have to list >> where they're putting it
055on policy. Normally, this is like what I was explaining to the parents. Normally, that would never be in policy. That would be an administrative rule that we would determine like but she wanted it in the policy where it would be. >> So then she superintendent >> like I thought principles were over their own schools, right? >> Yes. >> So they get to make that decision whether they want backpacks in classes. It's not something you can say we want that. >> We can talk about that for why what the purpose was because I don't know the purpose of them not having a backpack. I would want to talk about the purpose of why. But I mean this is a whole new thing where they can't you know have and if it's a if it's a sticking
056point where it's a safety issue and we they want to carry it on their backpack but then other kids can have it in a binder in a little special pocket but what about kids >> what about the equitable part of it because not >> so I'll find out I don't think it's that you know we don't have to you can put choices on here right it's not it's um but we have to identify in policy that it's off and away and not like that. So then can we just add all of that? Would we just tell go ahead? >> There's medical exceptions to this rule, correct? >> Yeah, >> but with the brackets, do we have to pick one of those? >> We can combine as long as we can make our own decision for
057that. >> I would think the other how you don't want them put together. >> I don't want one or the other. I want both of them. >> Right. That's why I agree. >> I think we should have a contest. I bet they could come up with better ideas, >> especially because Plymouth has these rad lockers. >> They do. >> They charge them on the other, >> but we also can't we can't make that aable. Yeah. >> But I would say we add the whole thing in there. When you say the whole thing >> the brackets together >> combine those two brackets on that line. >> So it would say must be placed in district provided pouches or storage or may be kept by students in lockers back or backpacks but personal devices are not stored.
058So lockers, backpacks or uh what did you call a binder? A zipped binder. >> That's a little sketchy. If you're saying I think if you say pouches I don't think you have to get like so if you're saying lockers and then you don't have to say school locker or cell phone locker we've said lockers right if we say pouches it could be a pocket like if that pouches those are what they're referring to I don't think a little >> okay can we do that then just combine them >> so I don't see any problems with that and then if an OS comes out that says no or changes something then we would just edit. >> So must be placed in district provided pouches or storage or may be kept by students in walkers or backpacks
059but personal electronic devices are not to be stored on the student's person or in the students clothing. >> That means that it has to be district provided vouchers instead of just pouches. No, we don't have to pouch. >> It's a district provided. >> Remove district provided. >> Can we remove district provided and put inouches? >> I don't see why not. But we could if they, you know, back and I don't think it matters. >> So, we would put a red line through that. >> I'm on a different document. Oh. >> Oh, I thought you were lighting that up. >> I'm watching you. Okay. Could you please put a red line for that? >> I'm just sorry. I was just storage related to field trips. Wait. >> Okay. So, this is all this is all about
060where I had said earlier about the buses. So, you said that over there. >> Yeah. Well, I said it um at one point, I think. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, if there's only one coach or teacher. >> Yeah. No, I said it at the OSB conference a couple of times is that they what they had said there is that >> the buses they were worried about saying that the bus driver would have to monitor students on the bus because they're driving. Mhm. >> So, they said, "We're not going to um monitor it on the bus if there's only one adult, >> but if there's another adult, like if they're going to this sporting event or field trip." >> Yes, >> we have to get that specific in here. >> That's what it >> That's what
061she That's what the attorney OSBA was like. She got very specific and that because they were worried. transportation services were worried when they said, "Oh, bell to bell." Oh, no, wait. We want it from transportation to and they're like, "Well, you can't expect one adult on the bus who's driving to monitor that." >> And also, they're off school ground, >> but you're in a school property. You're on a bus. Like so you know like when kids have if you're on a field trip and you do something out let's say you're going somewhere you do something you can spell consequences at the school. Yes. Because even at the bus stop it's still considered you know you consequenc discipline. So I think what they're trying to say is is that any like school related um activity, right?
062As long as they're got very specific. That's what I try to tell them over there. Two adults on a bus would be so those two football game I would not be allowed to be on my phone. >> You have you have more than one adult on the bus then? No. >> Okay. So, >> okay, >> I'm I just want to be clear other than the driver, more than one adult or the driver and one adult because I would never assume that that driver is going to police that at all. So, I would say one adult other than the driver or I'm sorry, two adults other than the driver. >> In addition to the >> They basically said that it was there's one other adult on the bus other than the bus driver. So the bus
063driver counted as the other person. So good work. >> If you're coaching the football team and you take the >> I don't want to be that person >> and you catch myself. I'm not monitoring the cell phone. >> If you have to take the kids to Atoria and back for a football game, then you're responsible for >> Hold up. If that football game is after the school bell, >> but you're on property. >> You're in the school your buses school. Oh, hold on, hold on. No way. I'm here representing the That's what they tell. Wait, okay, wait, hold on. I have a question. But you took a field trip as a kid, right? >> Yeah, but this isn't a field trip. This is an after school sport. >> Did you play sports in high school?
064>> Yes. >> So then every time you got on the bus, did your coach not look at you and say, "We're going to behave correctly because we representing >> Absolutely. I can still behave >> and follow all those respectful rules, but I have the right to my phone when we are no longer on school time. >> Not now. >> One of those rules you have to follow is you can't have your cell phone. >> We sign a contract that says when my Hold on one second. When we sign a contract that says my student goes and plays this sport, I will not sue you if they get injured. Right. >> Yeah. then they also should have their right to their phone if you are not responsible for the safety and welfare of my child while
065they are on that bus. >> I I literally love to hear a student stand up for that this is a law we're trying to follow because it is redonulous. >> Don't get me wrong, I hate it. regular. >> See, and it says during >> Thank you, highlighter. >> It says during regular hours, you guys, I can't get on board with that. >> Then you just say then we will follow where it says during regular hours because that's what it says in the footnote. Yep. >> So, can we >> and then she they said we OS because we all said this. says during this time and then they said well you might they might come out with OS that explicitly identify even right below where he had it highlighted it says the district could include language
066regarding field trips here so >> I have to I do agree like we might as But I don't agree >> beyond regular instructional time. That seems ridiculous. If you're bus flat tire, I want my kid to be able to message me and say, "Hey, we got a flat tire. We're >> on a I was on a bus last year. >> Was too tired. >> And then field trips would be included." >> Okay. And and we would enter the wording that it would if there was more than one adult on field trips on the bus on field trips. No, >> I said it up there. >> It says if the students are Oh, wait. >> Yeah. on the bus driver if the students are under >> if there's not um let's back up for just a
067second because if I'm trying to make sure that I'm staying with you guys is there brackets around what you talking about >> OD's guidance >> oh wait >> and it says well belonging foster student learning well-being and belonging provides that districts have discretion related to field trips the district could include language regarding field trips here end Yeah, but the other piece right there, that footnote one, there's no bracket around that. So, it's just basically saying the student are on under supervision of a school personnel other than the school bus driver. We don't get to choose that. That's there regular totally makes sense. >> But if we are saying field trip, that's where you would add the language. But it's field trip up above. Oh, exactly. >> Then I would just let's just leave it alone
068for right now. >> I can't keep my three kids in the back seats and pushing buttons. >> There's enough there's enough people like enough people to I haven't been on a field trip bus here yet, but let's just >> Yeah, let's just >> do we even have a funding? >> We don't have buses anymore. We can't We can't take field trips. >> I don't know how we're arguing it. Okay, that we really overthought that. >> But yeah, we overthink that. We don't need to forgot. >> Here's the here's what I have to back up to, guys, because I don't I really don't want this policy to come back to us when I go to submit it to OSBA. So, >> um what it what I'm trying to do is do a search because he said
069um control F and do the bracket. So we at the very first sentence there is a bracket. If we don't answer if we don't address every bracket then it's going to come right back to us. So see where it says student possesses or >> use of personal electronic device. Do we want possession? Possession or >> possession would mean that they could wear watches, >> right? >> Possession would mean it's on them. Like you were >> No, I think that would mean it could be on their body. That's confusing. >> Student use of a personal thing is prohibited. But >> let's cross it out. Let's cross out possession. >> Cross it out. Just the the possession or >> and then the does that allow us flexibility if they have it in their back pocket? >> Yes.
070>> Oh, that's not on their body. >> That says it's not on their body the the backpack in the pocket on them. >> Personal electronic devices can be used when the students are not on school grounds and are not under the supervision of personnel. I agree. >> Yes. that it can be >> other than a school bus driver. I disagree with that too. So I would >> Hey, wait a minute. >> It says and and or Oh, never mind. I was thinking and I was thinking and or not under the super. I was like, wait, that means like >> I say we get rid of the possession or and keep the personal the second bracket, >> right? But I would like to cross out the other than school bus driver. Like if something wasn't >>
071I think it need other than because it's saying >> supervision of school personnel. Yeah. >> But the school bus drivers don't >> but the bus driver does not count. Can we change the verbage on that so that it's a little more specific? >> We understand that. >> I hear you. >> If we change the verbage on it just a little bit so so that it is >> more specific. I mean, correct. Right. Not the supervision of school personnel. Period. Can we just put period there? >> If you say just period school personnel, that means bus drivers have to watch them too then, >> right? >> They aren't employed by the school though. They're employed by the contract. >> Okay. So, I think we get rid of >> Should we say with the exception of school
072bus drivers? Is that >> or something? Is it confusing? Is that what you're saying? >> Other than >> I don't know what they mean by that. >> Yeah, we do because we've been talking about somebody else. But we but the way it can be interpreted though too we that's why some of these things get changed in the first place is because it's interpreted differently and they have to follow that because you can interpret it differently. >> That's what I mean. I think somebody reading that that hadn't had this conversation would even >> Would you rather it be a comma? >> No, I would rather the last part not be there. >> Do we need it? >> Wait, what? But then if you don't have the parenthesis, that would include a bus driver. No, but other
073than or not, it is including >> No, other than a school bus driver. That means like >> except this person. Yeah. >> Like any they're not allowed to have it on school grounds and not under the supervision of a school personnel other than a bus driver because if it's a bus driver by himself >> and is a bus driver, >> then he's not responsible for keeping track of it. So we can say, well, Joseph is driving the bus. He's not supervising us right now. You can change the word other to excluding that. >> Yeah. Well, and she just pointed out the number one goes down to the bottom number down here. >> We read that and we agree with that. >> That's exactly what I was saying. >> Excluding a bus driver. >> Okay. So,
074we do want that. We do want that. Yeah, I just said to change other to excluding a bus driver >> and I was saying the exact same thing instead of that other than confusing excluding. >> Okay. And then the next one is um in the second paragraph, do we want the um the little two that's explaining this down here? >> Okay. When when reading that, does that mean that we can say no, we don't want it to include um personal devices that like >> like if we didn't say it then it would not include personal >> then it would let smart watches and smart glasses. >> No, dang it. >> What do you mean? feel like that means then >> it says um [Music] >> so what are you supposed to put into >> I
075mean I guess we could just say leave it. I don't know what it means, but sure. >> I can access it. >> Okay. Okay. Otherwise, it's fake, >> right? But then I don't understand why it's an option, >> right? If it's an if it's an option, that means we don't have to include, >> right? If it says it's an option, you do not have to include it. That is correct. And so what when um Paul said, >> "Okay, I think you want to include it because it encompasses everything that's in >> the law." >> I'm trying to find exceptions to the law. >> You know what we could do though? What we could do is have we could have like listen, you don't have to agree to it right now, right? We could go back
076to OSBA and ask the question. >> What if we just don't select that because it says it's in brackets, right? We could ask that question. Nobody's rushing to >> get through a phone cell phone policy knowing that even that that they're going to update and change and and add more to it is what they've given us. They've said this over and over again to us and it might change. Right. >> Okay. Because I want to make a thought here. If we got rid of that, it does not say. It says device that is capable of making and receiving calls and texts. If I put my child's >> Oh, watch on school >> on school mode. They do not have access to it is not capable. >> Totally agree. >> But if we go down and
077we add number two, >> then we take that out of the >> removes it as an option. >> Yes. Just to share with you all also when we did talk with the administrators and get feedback from them. Um they this one I like the idea of naming smart watches as right now it is only implied and another one said um will there be specific language to make it clear that this applies to smart watches as well? So >> I say we I say that they're asking for for it to be clear. I see >> I say if we remove it because we can then it's not clear and we can put phone or watches into school safe mode. That way parents who want to track their kids, kids who want to use them for time
078management, >> you know, >> until they say something different, like I say if it's a if it's an option and it's flexible, take it out for myself. I know my mom brought up I think brought up the idea of like um there are midday messages for schedule changes for sports. I get that on my watch. Even if it's in school mode, >> your mom does an Android. >> I have an Android. Then you do. >> Find it. >> If you want to keep it, >> then that's an option. Figure it out. >> That's an option. I say just do what you Yeah. Do what you just I That's fine. I don't think And then that way you can we can turn >> if they say no that's not going to work then we'll come back
079around and say something. But they put brackets around it. >> Yeah. Exactly. If there were no brackets we would just be reading it and it would just be a policy read. But we also are kind of in a time restriction though. Yeah. But I think that I think that the reason why it administrators probably asked to include it was because you can text and do this stuff from the from the device, right? And they you would you would want to make sure that >> it was on school safe mode and I don't think anybody's going to want to we don't want to monitor that. >> I have a general question. What is from students? What is the punishment if I >> was very clear that we will not be able to do any time out
080of instructional time like no suspension or expulsion >> unless the phone is being used to do something else that is also against the rules that could warrant a suspension or detention if you're >> if I'm sitting here playing a game on my phone in my class to put it What's my consequence if I've done >> one second folks? We're kind of getting getting two conversations and Michelle's trying to point something out. >> I'm sorry. >> This just covers >> from here and then it goes down to here for students clothing may be stored Oh, maybe stored on the person but may not be used. So, we can say it can be on their pocket. >> Oh. Um, >> so I actually >> Okay, I guess I should ask teachers because I don't know that that's
081fair for me to decide. I'm not the one doing it, but I would say as a parent, >> I would say off and away is okay. But what they originally had said, it could not be on the person, right? But if it's like if it's an option on here, I would say take it >> out. >> Wait, take it out. >> Yeah, >> it's an option to take out. Correct. Is that what I'm saying here? Yeah. >> No, Michelle's arguing that we should keep it. That way, that way a student can store it on their body. >> On their body. >> I'd say take it out so that a kid can store it. Oh, no. Leave it in. Leave it in. Right. >> So, allow kids to store it on bucket. >> That way, if
082they don't have a backpack, >> that's it. I'm just going to start sewing some pouches for >> So, now we would need to go back and change. So because that would cover and may be kept in machines backpacks devices are not stored on the students person and regular clothing. So now we would have to go back >> this is the second version right they had the first version earlier which said >> no we had three versions I see that >> so we would need to change what we had up here where it says mess What did the teachers say? Did they say anything, Curtis? >> Okay. >> I'm just saying there is something you think it's a bad idea. >> You guys think it's horrible. >> I I think could be worse idea to let
083kids out of their pockets. >> I think it's important to listen to terrible. But why is that? cuz I know how to do it and you wouldn't even know I just >> cuz I'm I'm There's tables and desks that you could just sit and I'm paying attention. >> I'm paying attention. I'm probably playing a game right now, but I'm paying attention. >> And if you give him an he'll take a mile. Is that >> I watched it last year not being on them in our cars because we all could figure out how to >> because last year's rule, if we're all curious, last year's rule was off and away in backpacks. Granted, it wasn't enforced the way it is currently, but they were like, you could just keep it on their bodies. It doesn't work.
084It genuinely doesn't work. >> So, I hear you. I want I hear you. >> Yeah. But I'm also hearing parents were going to watch this and know that we had a choice and we've been telling them we we don't >> we just said off in a way and we were talking about um specific places that they could have that like in a locker a backpack or you know and then the the the most important with this is that they gave lots of feedback around being able to their Yeah. But I I am I feel like uh like less is more and if there is guidance right now that says this can be this is already this is already changed. So if they're saying this is current and we're going to allow them to have it
085on their person then I say then do that. Like if unless they're unless they are out having it out and they're um messing with it or doing something and we're getting a reminder to then put them put it away. Maybe there's like situation if the student continues to keep it on person they're using it then we say your consequences is you can't keep it on your person rules where you should get into >> Yeah. We wouldn't have to put that in the policy. That could be part of the like like you said what happens if I have my phone like you lose the privilege to keep >> because there's rules where you have to check in your phone like there were student that wasn't even a policy school discipline I just don't want you to
086think we're ignoring parent >> yeah I can understand parents perspective my kid actually >> I mean I figure off and away is off and away or silenced in a way I know a lot of teachers love the no cell phone policy I know though parents in our current climate do not want their kids to not have their phones. And if we give them an opportunity, an option where they can have their phone with them in a backpack or something, then that might be enough. But at this point, if it says we can take that out, take it out, then just then I I think we should right now. We might have to put it back, right? Is at some point we might have to. >> I think we're totally >> distracted. What you say is
087important. But I I agree with Christine and >> I also agree with you coming from I don't think it's gonna work. I don't think it's going to work, but I do think it's important to let parents have >> better for then creating the AR or the the consequ like you said the the discipline metrics matrix if you're doing something because all students shouldn't have to like the parent said like all parents we shouldn't have to suffer the consequences for a few people that aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. >> Yes. >> Then there could be like hey you had it out seven times playing this game right you say seven times and then now you're not going to be able to keep it on your person because you're so tempted. So you sit
088in your backpack or in your locker >> or the pocket. >> Yeah. >> It feels like it just gives us more flexibility. And if we were, you know, another school district that doesn't have our history that we're trying to rebuild from, then this is different. But for us, I feel like this is an option we should take advantage of. >> Personally, and I and I totally see what you're talking about. There is one thing though that I remember happened that um it actually really scared me that the kids did use their phones and wouldn't the parents didn't listen is that we did have to have a lockdown at the hospital or the high school at one point and everybody was to stay in their rooms. The doors were to stay locked and parents started demanding
089their kids on their cell phones to get out of there. Right. And the kids went to the they actually went to the window to sign out of school. The doors wide open and they're going in and out in and out in and out when we're supposed to be on lockdown requested by the police. >> And the parents thought that they could just be on those phones and tell them what they're going to do. So I think parents need to understand that >> they don't get to do that. Just because your kids got a phone, they still need to be doing whatever the school says, the teacher says, you know, that kind of thing. I don't know how long ago that was, but my children were one of the ones that were bust from the high
090school to Columbia City. >> And that was >> and that went they literally >> like we had to check them out. Like I don't know that that could happen. >> You can't check yourself out of school now until you're unless you're 18 now. I know for now because kids are excited. >> Yeah. >> Well, the bad part was is the person didn't have anything to do with our school, but they close, you know, >> make a suggestion. Yeah. >> How about we wrap up on this and we're on the >> on the threehour mark and I think our brains are getting try on policy. >> How much more? We have two more pages of this. So we're on page two. We know we're crossing that off. Hold on. >> Student violation of this. >> That's
091parting. I do not think we should be taking school time from this. >> We can't take school time. >> That's including suspension. >> I'm telling you this is changing. >> This is not the same one we went over at OSA. >> You guys clicked on version two places. Version two was deleted, right? >> This is the proposed one because they've even currently updated it from it's a movie right now. >> Okay. I say keep the detention Saturday school change to storage requirements for Saturday school. >> Yeah, they didn't want them losing in originally losing instructional time included to restore requirement. That's what we should keep. >> Yeah, storage requirements and >> detention and storage requirements. Do we have >> we can tell them where they're going to have to store? Yeah, like I just did.
092Yeah, perfect. And then another >> we did I'm sorry. We did agree to remove Saturday's Saturday. >> I don't know anybody any staff member that might want. >> Yeah, that one does say it could be expulsion and I do not think that's right. >> This is the thing. Like I said, it is a moving target because she said that by that's why they will give you until October to approve it because they're changing it. constantly, >> but it says not a choice, but it says may not >> include loss of instructional time student including suspension or may not. >> However, if actions taken by the student violate another bully, >> if I was cyberbullying her or like >> making a making a threat of some sort, >> then I could get expelled. So the biggest
093Saturday >> like Michelle if I was threatening some like the school or something while on a device then I could be like presented with expulsion. Okay. Include first. >> This seems like we're just reading in circles and it's so different than the first version. I mean, it was just two months ago that we I'm worried about going to be well and and and a little bit we're ahead of a lot of schools on this. So, somebody could come up with the most perfect wording, but we're sitting here wrecking our brains on before this is over. Ed, can you scroll up just a little bit because the sentence right before number one, it's a bracket. Steps may include >> I was just thinking so the steps may include I feel like that's a lot. I feel
094like the first one verbal reminder. Second one would be where we have another storage option. Third one would then be the office. I feel like otherwise we're putting a lot on our office do stuff. >> So the third So does that you're shaking your head? Can you zoom in more? Can you go like 100 something? >> I know. So, does that make sense though, Michelle? And do you guys agree? >> So, the first one would be a warning. The second one would be a change of >> how they're storing it. Then the third one would go to >> office, >> the office, >> temporary held. And then the beyond the third instance of non-compliance school will deter determine and that's when I think we do the call to parents and have a >> yeah like
095you or you can't uh it's you can't bring your phone to school at all. >> You're not ready to have your phone >> if you're on the on the fourth one. >> Yeah, you're not allowed to have your phone >> and I think you should call parents and let them know that. So two number two and three both say to notify the parents, >> right? But we would lose we would shift two down to number three. >> I would see >> right because the the second one would now be we find a new place to store it. >> Yes. >> That's is that are you on board with that? I don't want to make this >> No, I am. >> Yeah. >> I I understand what you're saying. >> Okay. >> I'm just reading along
096with I just want to make sure we all agree. So there will be five instead of four. We still have four. We just get rid of >> four is just kind of like a we'll figure out what to do after that. We'll have a plan. >> Yeah, we or we then we remove it if after we've >> So you got I do think number two should be the change of storage. >> Yeah. >> And then go to the office. >> Do you want the parents and guardians to be notified on the change of storage? I think >> I think I think that you should we should notify the parents anytime. That's a lot. >> That's your second step. >> Well, it'll be if they figure out >> I mean, but we're asking the teachers. That's
097a lot to ask of either admin or teachers to take that step of the second one that we contact. Well, no, >> I feel like if we don't contact them, we'll have a problem. I feel like >> they need to be on the same page all the way, >> right? Confiscating it, >> right? But that comes till step three. >> Yeah, I think actually two you'd be fine to notify a parent. Okay, now it's locked. >> Yeah. Now just keep it locker. Three, >> I'm calling I'm calling home >> and it's confiscated. >> Yeah. I'm telling mom that you you have to turn your phone in at the office. >> Yeah. >> And then the next one would be you don't get to bring it anymore. >> Yeah. I think parents will figure out real
098quick. But does everyone agree with that? >> I'd want to know if there was a problem. >> So where are the next adding? So like think of it as like 1.5. >> I did. >> Yep. And three goes to Yeah. So three two and then three. >> Yeah, we added >> She was saying it that way, but I was thinking the same thing. It's just adding. >> So are we deciding that these procedures apply to all grade levels? I think that's fair. >> That was Yeah, number eight. That was I was looking at that. >> So we would keep that one, Michelle. number where they put number six. >> It's like halfway. It's behind R. >> Oh, okay. So, >> it's hard to read that. >> That's the detention portion. However, technically Okay. Okay. Now,
099can we scroll back down? Oh, okay. So, that can say And then now we can scroll down to the next page. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can be filed with the superintendent and yeah that is that what you want? >> I think it should be with the process because I think if you add another layer it makes it more >> so you they would start with their administration at the school. So the KLR process we did that >> what is that process we just >> no what was the acronym >> oh administrative >> and then this takes effect on January one but you want the date to say what >> is it November No, it's October or October 1st, we have to have a policy in place by January 1st, we have to be implementing
100>> there can be removed if you do it prior to that. That's basically to say that that's this has to be in place by then, right? those brackets, but we don't have to change that just to submit it for so because when you when you finally adopt it, that means it's a I think we should cross that out. >> It replaces um your old policy that we're going to delete. >> Don't get signed. >> Yeah, you do it the same. You do it the same. Ed, if you could scroll up back to page one on number three that's listed there. Um, just need to >> Oh, that 10 days. >> How many days? School days. >> I think that's good. >> 10 is good. >> That gives them two weeks. >> I just kind of
101ignored it because I figured it was good. >> Sounded good. >> So, we already agreed and you just didn't know. And I actually think they will want a date because those brackets mean we have to have something there. It's the other brackets that mean we can get rid of them. Right. So the brackets with the date we would need to put >> those ones that mean we can get rid of. Right. These >> right here it says personal electronic devices. Aren't those I'm sorry because I'm from a long ways away here. Isn't that the same bracket you see the must be placed to district? Do you see that? So that's what we're combining, right? >> Yeah. >> But you would you typically you would take one or the other. >> Well, we're getting rid of
102those all the but down below with the and you guys can put a date in there if you want. >> I'm just thinking they'll want something >> or you just leave it the way that it is and when you adopt it, it's the date that you've adopted it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> I kind of like that idea just because what if we put a date in if we don't have it done by then? >> I don't know. September >> pretty good with the personal electronic devices version two second read >> okay >> I think if everybody's agreeable we probably should adjourn because we are past the three hour mark >> are you okay with >> is everybody okay with that idea >> and the meeting's adjourned >> thank you >> you know
103you guys don't you there's a rule though you don't become a true school board member till you're a I've been Take the weapon.