001Good evening. Uh apologies for our tardiness, uh but I'd like to call the meeting for Tuesday, May 12th, 2026 to order. I'm going to call the roll, Ms. McConnell. Mrs. Bingaman Here. Mrs. Cavoli She's remote. She's She's dialing in. She's at National Honor Society. >> at National Honor Society. There she is. She said here. Mr. Dorneman >> Here. Mr. Epstein Yes. Mr. Garlic Here. Mr. Gordon Here. Mrs. Hanford Here. Mr. Jacobs >> Here. Mrs. Webster Here. There are nine board members present. >> Thank you. For all those that are able, please rise and join us for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Item 401, additions, deletions, and modifications
002to the agenda. Do any board members have any additions, deletions, or modifications to this evening's agenda? Hearing none, moving on to item 501, approval of the April 28th, 2026 meeting minutes, Mr. Turman. The administration is recommending approval of the April 28th, 2026 meeting minutes. May I have a motion to approve? Motion. Is there a second? Thank you. Any questions? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? Thank you. Mov- to information and proposals, I'd like to announce to those joining us in person as well as those joining us online that the board held an executive session prior to this meeting to discuss various personal, legal, as well as student adjudications. Item 602, student speaker. As most will know, we are privileged to have student speakers from both high schools as well as our
003cyber academy join us and I'm pleased to introduce our student speaker from Central Dauphin East High School. Please welcome Miles Davenport. >> [applause] >> Popular guy you are. Yeah, should we start the wave? Good evening everybody. I would like to thank the school board and administration of Central Dauphin School District for giving another East High student the opportunity to speak this evening on behalf of my school. My name is Miles Davenport. I'm a senior at Central Dauphin East High School. I've been a part of this district my whole school career. I attended Southside Elementary, East Middle, and in 27 calendar days, I will be walking across the stage as a graduate. I participated in many things over my high school career including our football team, wrestling team, girls basketball manager, track and field, the African
004American Club, Red Cross Club, and the Key Club. And National Honor Society. In the fall, I will be attending West Chester University with plans to major in psychology with a minor in exercise science. I hope to eventually become a sports psychologist. One very special highlight for me was being voted homecoming king by my peers during this year's homecoming football game. Excellent. It's been a very busy It's been a very busy month and we're also looking forward to the last 18 days of school. We have a few things to highlight from the past few months of school. On Friday, May 8th, the prom was held at the Best Western Premier. Our students dressed to impress and danced the night away in epic fashion. Rima Hamad and Elijah Cooper were thrilled to be crowned prom king queen
005and king. We are in the midst of advanced placement and Keystone testing. Our students are working hard to try to obtain college credit ahead of time and also to show proficiency in the areas of literature, algebra 1 and biology. Students in Mrs. Cabbage stalks public speaking 1 and 2 class went on a field trip to Penn State Hershey Medical Center and learn about careers in cancer research. They spoke with doctors, lab technicians, and computer information specialist to explore careers that help advance medical research. They perform experiments, visit the labs, and listen to a panel discussion of professionals. I was one of the kids who attended and had a lot of fun. Madam Paz reports that 18 students were inducted into the French Honor Society on April 21st. Hope I'm going to I'm going to mispronounce
006this. Bolan Nigu Niguar earned a bronze medal and Lyanna Parasol earned a silver medal on the national French exam. East High will be awarding at least five students with the seal of literacy this year in Spanish, Arabic, and Nepali. Students are still testing in Hindi, Swahili, and Yoruba. For the third period, approximately 180 students earned the distinguished honors or honor roll academic excellence for the third marking period. On May 6th, these students were recognized at grade level assemblies and were presented with a certificate of achievement. The EHS Music Department presented our spring concerts April 28th and April 30th. Students did an excellent job. We are now preparing for our graduation ceremonies on June 8th. The EHS Chamber Strings performed during the transition to the Panorama fundraising gala on April 25th and look forward forward to
007playing at future school and community events. The Junior Achievement Real Life program was held on April 28th and 29th. The entire 11th grade was able to engage with financial industry community professionals during a full day of activities. Topics of learning included cost-benefit analysis, income-to-debt ratio, and consumer goods prices estimations and calculations. Thank you to East High teachers, 12th grade National Honor Society student volunteers, community volunteers, and NutriPacks for making the event a success. Environmental science students participated in the first annual Keystone Goodwill Earth Day celebration. They were able to see how a local organization is working towards supporting the community and the environment through sustainable practices. The event also connected students to local organizations and allowed them to meet and talk with elected officials and the secretary of the PA Department of Environmental Protection. The
008event organizers commented on how fabulous our students were and they're excited to invite us again next year. Our senior class of 2026 will be wrapping up their time with some fun and memorable memorable activities. They will be doing a senior walk through the elementary and middle school in June. It's pretty incredible to see a 13-year transition in that in those hallways. I'm excited. They are also looking forward to our annual senior cookout, which is an which is in the afternoon of food and games to celebrate our achievement our achievements. Finally, we're looking forward to seeing all of you on the stage at Landis Field on on Monday, June 8th for our commencement ceremony. Thank you again for your support of the students and teachers at East High. GREAT JOB, MILES. >> [applause] >> MILES, I
009WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. >> YEAH, I think you can. Uh Miles, I know you have uh a lot of relatives that went to East. I think Davenport is a legacy last name uh or name in in the school district. Uh I went to school with a Davenport and I think every year there's been a Davenport at East High. My dad went to school in Philly. He went to He went to Dockerty. Oh. Mhm. Cardinal Dockerty Dockerty and then my mom went to Harrisburg High. Okay, well that goes goes out the window. But I I know there's a lot of Davenports that have gone to East High. So, you invited us to the barbecue. Where's it at? Right right outside on the East High field. >> All right, man. That's cool. >> I'm I'm I'm
010going to be on the grill. I got you. Yeah, thanks. I got you. >> [laughter] >> Thanks, Miles. Appreciate it. Great job. Moving on to item 603, [applause] superintendent spotlight, Mr. Turman. All right. Shannon Lyb is here and I don't know which group we're going to start off with, but I'll turn it over to Shannon. So, if you direct your attention to the slides, you can follow along as I spotlight our groups this evening. Good evening, President Jacobs, board members, Superintendent Turman, audience members in attendance, and those watching online. My name is Shannon Lyb, director of communications and community engagement, and I'm pleased to present this evening's superintendent spotlight. I would like to invite East High School athletic director Dwan Lee to the podium to introduce his Mid-Penn Commonwealth Players of the Year, Elijah Cooper
011and Samira Mamadou. Thank you, Shannon. Uh I'm glad that I could be here today as athletic director of East High. One of the things that I'm always proud of is when our young people can take their God-given talent, their hard work, and put it together and accomplish things like this. So, this is about them, so I'm not going to talk long. I want to bring Elijah up first. Elijah Cooper, um he was >> [applause] >> Elijah was the Mid-Penn Commonwealth Player of the Year. Um he was also two-time Mid-Penn Conference all-star and And finished his high school career with over 1400 points and then ended up being the all-time leading scorer East High School boys basketball. So, he's still >> [applause] >> He's still making some decisions on college, but he has a lot of
012good opportunities and again, he's going to be able to use his God-given talents and his hard work to put him in position through athletics to you know, do some good things in life. So, Elijah, I've been around him forever. I've known him even before I was the athletic director just through basketball and to see his growth and development and you know, he's going to do great things at the next level as well. So, you're still weighing options in terms of where you're going to go to college? Um I've decided I'm going to Messiah University. Okay. Congratulations. Very nice. >> [applause] >> I kind of knew that was one of his options, but I was just going to ask if you knew or not or did he just surprise you? I knew he had a couple
013of other options, but I didn't want to It's a great school, Elijah. Thank goodness. You What what What do you plan on majoring in? Um Do you know? I'm pretty sure it's going to be sports. What's it called? Sports business? Sports management. Oh, sports management. Congratulations on all your success. Best of luck at the next level. All right. Can we go to the next slide? There you go. Our second Mid-Penn Commonwealth Player of the Year is Samara Mamadou. >> [applause] [applause] >> Samara is also another really talented athlete here at East High School. She was Commonwealth Player of the Year, two-time Mid-Penn Conference All-Star. She finished her high school career over 1100 career points and she recently just signed a full basketball scholarship to Jacksonville Jacksonville University in Florida which is a Division 1 college.
014>> Nice. You know she's doing all right. You're leaving in June. She's [applause] leaving in mid-June so after graduation she's hitting the road to sunny Florida and same thing as Elijah hard worker and just to see her growth and I remember I don't mind I don't think you mind me telling the story when she was a junior in January we sat down her and I sat down and talked about like next steps and I just told her I was fortunate to be a long time girls basketball coach and I had a lot of really talented players but I told her I said you would have been one of the best players on any of the teams I coached. So you have to do A B C D to get to the next level and she
015did all those things. Her mother was very supportive. You know we had some tough conversations but she got where she's supposed to be. She has another really important person back here with her Denzel who was part of that process so I'm proud of her. She's going to do great things and she's going to represent East High as well. Awesome. CONGRATULATIONS. >> [applause] >> I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT but Jacksonville actually played for a national championship against UCLA in the early 70s. The girls team? No no the boys at that time. The guy's name Artis Gilmore. Yeah when well that's yeah I have a Random facts. Random knowledge. Yeah. That's his idiot savant. You know. Yeah well I just it just dawned on me that most people What do you do you
016know what you want to major in? Uh yes. >> [clears throat] >> Business and administration and accounting and finance. Wonderful. Well best of luck to you. Congratulations on all your success. Thank you. Thank you. >> [applause] >> So next I would like to ask Mr. Phil Salucci to come to the podium. Hey. Brought us a cake. So, this one is bittersweet for me as his brother A.J. Salucci was a close and personal friend of mine. A.J. was a member of the East High School class of 1972 and served as an elected member of the school board from 2001 to 2009, having served as president from 2007 to 2008. He was a staunch advocate for all children, in particular East High, as he bled black and white. A.J. tragically passed in 2009, but Phil kept his
017memory alive through the creation of the A.J. >> [laughter] >> of the A.J. Salucci Memorial Scholarship, with student Dwight Herb, the first recipient of the scholarship in 2011. I would like to turn the microphone over to Phil for a few remarks. Thank you. Uh I'd like to thank the members of the board for having me tonight. Uh I can't take full credit. It actually his um his life You got me going, Shannon. >> [laughter] >> His lifelong friend, Mike Dickey, actually started it. They from 5 years old, they were buddies, and um he Mike it was eating him up like the rest of us and uh >> [snorts] >> you never get over it. So, uh Mike got us together, said we got to do something. >> [snorts] >> And he goes, "Let's do a
018scholarship." I said, "Oh, okay, you know." And we started out, like said, 2011, and uh we did the fundraiser in 2010. And then awarded it. Dwight was the first one, and then we had one year, 2016, where we didn't have a recipient because Mike uh was battling cancer that year, and we just didn't feel it was right to do something, you know, during that time. But, uh, since we started it, we've given out $24,000 in scholarships to, uh, East High students that have an attachment to the football program. It could be a player, team manager. One year we gave it to Ethan North, who was the ball boy. Uh, we bought him, um, a, a, uh, iPad, you know, help him with his communication skills, um, and if they stay in school, what we do
019is we send the $1,000. So, if they come back to us, we send it, and we put it in their account under their ID number. So, it gets used, you know, we just don't, uh, obviously do that. We make sure it gets used, and a bunch of them, a bunch of the kids have come back and have done that. We've done approximately, I was talking to Mike today, um, $5,000 helping out the addition to scholarships with the athletic programs, lacrosse, I think we might have done something football, a softball, the scoreboard for Mike Stap. Uh, and then we've had some students that passed away. We help, we've helped with funeral expenses. So, we're a 501c3. So, if anybody has a business, >> [laughter] >> you'd like to donate, it's a tax write-off for you. Other
020than that, um, we'll have, we have the fundraiser every fall. Uh, we typically have it at the American Legion, but we're looking for a bigger space. We're kind of outgrowing that. It only holds about 100 people, and it gets a little tight in there. But, you know, it's something, you know, uh, keep AJ's memory alive. I mean, he meant a lot to a lot of people. Jeannie, you were on the board. I think you were president of the board for 2 years, what, '06 to '08, if I remember correctly. But, um, you know, maybe some time away from here, I'll tell you some funny stories about him growing up as a little brother, but other than that, I just want to thank everybody, and you know, the support here, and if I can hold that,
021Dwan. Yeah, we had a um every year we give it out, but you know, we want to keep track of the recipients. So, obviously you have a picture up there now, and we had a plaque put together with every recipient. Uh and every year, uh all you have to do, Dwan, just has to get a hold of Andy uh Snyder at Linglestown Awards, >> Right. take the plaque down, he'll put the name on, we'll pay for that, obviously. Uh we have this year, it's already included in the price of the plaques. They just want to whenever we do the awards, just bring it over to Andy, he'll do it, and then hang it up, I guess, right where your picture is, near the gymnasium. So, I'd like to pass it around. Oh. Or you like
022to see it? Do you have another plaque for your brother over at Landis? >> still yes. Yes. I just like to say a few words to add on to that, but um AJ was the guy that I would always go to and say, "Listen, we need this, and you need that." Had him on speed dial, forced him to write donation checks, you name it. He couldn't get away from Phil and I, cuz Phil and I would tag team him, right? But um he truly was committed to the kids at East. I mean, he was a coach over at Holy Name. He could have very well have, you know, put the scholarship into Holy Name or Bishop McDevitt or anything, but he chose East. And part of why I want to say thank you to you
023and Mike is that you guys have never forgotten. You are our only um outside organization that sponsors or gives our kids a scholarship other than the Alex Alexander um scholarship. So, while other schools have a lot of alumni that give back, East does not. This is it, and I hit Phil up for many things other than um just this football scholarship. >> answered the phone and said yes. What what do you need, Genie? And they are always yeah, they are always there to help fill that gap for us whatever we need. So, thank you Phil and extend that to the rest of the board. Truly appreciate it. Oh, that's beautiful. I still have E.J.'s phone number on my Just just real quick. I remember him from being a teacher and him on the school board
024and I I just I'm just saying and I mean this in the in the best positive way. He said what he meant and he meant what he said. It was there was no you knew he was straightforward with you and I always appreciated that. I can tell you one funny story when I I was first from myself to my oldest brother is 20 years. There's six of us. So, it's I have four older brothers, older sister. And E.J. was number three. Three. Not four because my sister was number three. And then Chuck and five and I was number six. Well, E.J. E.J. had a very large head size, I will say. >> [laughter] >> His graduation cap didn't >> a custom this is a true story. So, he had he had a custom football helmet
025and they the old Hickok who was the coach wrote a letter to the Philadelphia Eagles and hey, this [clears throat] is the size whatever and the letter came back and the guy thought it was a joke and he the the trainer of the Eagles said there's nobody walking upright with a head that big. >> [laughter] >> It's a true story. He had like a nine and a quarter or something like So, that was that's Well, you could attest That's the point like all the trainers they still talk about that one to this day. That's awesome. But E.J.'s graduation >> the large one? Yeah, he was larger than Never fit him at graduation when he would go to graduation for the Central Bucks School District. Congratulations. Yeah. So, we have uh I think the 28th, so
026it will be myself or one of our We have a executive board that runs the foundation. Myself or Steve Cunningham will be there. I just got to see my travel schedule or work probably back in time. Well, thanks for taking the time to come here and >> Thank you so much. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. >> [applause] >> She going to get a picture? Can you get a picture with Phil and the plaque? >> I have one. Oh, good. Okay, thank you. Thank you. I'd like to bring Dr. Maddis to the podium. >> [applause] >> The CD Singers were named grand champion of the concert choir category at the 2026 Roxbury Invitational. So, I will allow Mr. Dr. Maddis to talk about all of the accolades on those on the slides
027above. Yeah, um hello. Thank you so much for having us this evening. Um can I just first off say um man, what a cool thing you guys are doing here and thank you, Mr. Turman, for allowing us to be involved in your student spotlight today. Um you know, we're [clears throat] just so honored to be here and um so cool to like witness um all of the uh other people that we're recognizing today as well and um it's just so awesome that you guys are invested so much in us that you want to hear about all the awesome things that are happening in our schools. Um and CD Singers, why don't you guys Can you guys come up and join me, the ones of you who are here? Uh it's a very busy time of
028year. We have about 40 some students in the CD Singers and we have dance in the evenings and uh a whole bunch of other activities, spring sports and things like that that kids are um involved in, but we're so happy that you guys were able to join us this evening. Um so, yeah. So, we have been um asked the last 3 years to be invited to perform at conferences, and that's one of the biggest honors that choirs can have or bands can have in um in the state in the region. So, in 2023, uh we were invited to perform at the Pennsylvania Music Educators Conference. Um you know, an honor for anybody in the state of Pennsylvania. In 2024, we were invited to the American Choral Directors Conference in Providence, Rhode Island. Um again, being
029selected by choir from choirs from Maryland all the way up to Maine. And in 2025, we were invited to the um National Association for Music Education Eastern Division Conference. Again, being selected from choirs from Maryland up to Maine, just a different organization. Um we also had 22 guys who participated in the in low voice at Penn State last October. And we're very, very proud of that because getting guys to sing can sometimes be a struggle in this uh in our culture. Um but we are so thankful that we have the young men because just like if you're on a football team, if you have no wide receivers, you're not going to have a very good football team. >> [snorts] >> Well, if you have a choir, if you don't have any bases, you're not going
030to have a very good choir. So, we're very, very proud that we um have so many guys who want to be participating in that. Uh about 25% of the overall choir was from our school. Many only bringing four or five, but we brought 22, and we were the only choir to be a men's choir to actually perform our own pieces just by ourselves at that concert. So, um very, very exciting time for us. Um Also, [clears throat] we get invited by a lot by Governor Shapiro. He's our buddy. We love him. There's lots of selfies out with us and Governor Shapiro because we often get invited by his office to come down and sing uh at the Capitol Building for events such as the uh Christmas Tree Lighting in December. And we just got back
031last week Was it last week? Yes, last week we sang for the Fraternal Order of the Police um memorial ceremony, which honors fallen police officers who've lost their lives in the line of duty. So, we get invited to do that as well. Um 15 of our students participated in PMEA District Chorus, which is a seven-county radius. So, uh so Cumberland County over to Lancaster County and everything in between, York County, Adams County, that kind of a thing. 15 students, there are 215 and 15 220 students who participate in that choir, and I think the schools that had the second most, they all there was three schools that had 10, and we had 15. So, we we were very proud of the fact that we had the most representation in that ensemble out of seven counties.
032Um >> [cough and clears throat] >> and we also were invited to perform at Susquehanna University. Chanson this year performed at the Heinz Memorial Chapel. Um we also had 13 students from Central Dauphin participate in the All-Eastern Honors Chorus for the American Choral Directors Association at um in Providence, Rhode Island this year. That was a very cool opportunity for those kids, and the choir directors they got to work with are like the best in the field in the country. So, they were really lucky to get to work with them. And we also work with Dr. Kim Adams at the Central Dauphin Honors Choir um uh Central Dauphin Honors Choir Festival held at the end of March. And we had 19 students participate in the Dauphin County Honors Choir, which is really great. Um and we
033usually take freshmen to that that festival, so they get some experience as well. And of course, last but not least, the reason why we're here is our choir won first place at the Roxbury um adjudication at Roxbury, New Jersey. We had a significant history with the Roxbury Invitational for about 30 years. We've been going to this event [laughter] long before I showed up at Central Dauphin. And and we've won grand [clears throat] champion a um a number of times prior to me, and this is my second time winning that title at the Roxbury Invitational since I've come to Central Dauphin, and it's just a fantastic choral festival. It's the best choirs in the region come and perform, and these kids were just really excited about going and performing and showing what they're made of and
034continuing the wonderful legacy of choirs that we have at Central Dauphin. Um every time I threw a piece of music at them, I would be like, "This is the hardest piece of music I've ever given kids, you know, and I I don't know if we're going to be able to handle it, guys." And every single time, they would be like, "We'll show you." And and they would do it. And I would be like so wowed by their commitment and their dedication to the things that are going on. And um so on I'll be on a bit of a personal note. I've known about Central Dauphin since I was in college. I went to Mansfield University, which is where um my predecessor Dave Dietz and all of you who know Central Dauphin know Dave Dietz went
035to school at Mansfield. And uh we call him Grandpa Dietz in my room now because he's our grandpa. And um and I just remember I roomed with a kid from Central Dauphin. And all the kids from Central Dauphin High School who studied vocal music at Mansfield were the best in what they did. Absolutely. Without question, hands down. And I remember thinking, man, wouldn't it be cool to have a job someday where I got to work at a school like Central Dauphin? And then fast forward to 2015 and I got that call from HR and it was like a dream come true to me to work for Central Dauphin and to continue the wonderful work and the legacy um but also [clears throat] put a lot of pressure on my shoulders too at the same time
036because I knew I had a legacy that I had to keep up with. And um I'm just so proud of the work that these kids have put in. They have really just done a fantastic job this year showing all of their commitment um to making wonderful music, but also building relationships with the other which with each other. And um I think every single one of them would tell you that um this year was special. There was something really special about this team of kids and the connections that we built through music. And we have a saying, sometimes we say um singing together changes lives. And um and I really believe that all of our lives this year were changed by singing together. And I'm so grateful for them and all of their work. And we're
037very grateful for you for having us this evening and for continuing to allow us to produce the best music possible and to continue to be a beacon of what musical excellence is not only in the state of Pennsylvania but in the region and we really just appreciate everything that you guys do as well. So again, thank you Mr. Turman for allowing us to be here and spotlighting us and thank you to miss Mrs. Live for allowing us to be here and all of you school board members everything that you do. We are so grateful. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Congratulations. >> [applause] >> Thank you. I just want to mention something real quick. I I observed the performances and the kids have an incredible amount of talent but you can really tell
038how much respect they have for you and I want you to make sure you know that. I just went to the 8th grade 7th 8th grade concert last night. You have a lot of talent coming up again. So so be ready for them. So We are extremely excited about continuing moving forward and and continuing this >> [laughter] >> You're not done yet. Cuz the next time you come here with accomplishments like that you better perform for us. Okay? So no excuses. Now you know the next time you come >> [snorts] >> Oh they can. Is there a recording? Is there a recording? Oh I can certainly send that to you for sure. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> That would be great. Thank you. But that doesn't give you off the hook if you come again
039you better bring and do a little at least one song. Thank you very much. Thank you all. >> [applause] >> President Jacobs that concludes my superintendent spotlight. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks Shannon. Appreciate you. Shannon you're You're the highlight of the meeting. Great job. Oh, there goes the crowd. Okay, moving on to item 604 public speakers. This is the first of two opportunities for the public to address the board, the first of which is for agenda items only and we have one individual signed up to speak, Michelle Haas. Alumni. And unfortunately, I did not have a public speaking class at East High, so I still [laughter] forget to breathe when I'm talking in front of people. >> You'll do fine. Um, I think most of you know and I gave you my notes like before, um,
040most of you know the history with the school scheduling town hall, um, but there are a couple of new board members. Um, it was one of the more contentious thing as it was proposed at the town hall. Um, I'll shorten this up, um, instead of going into all the details, but, um, at the time, um, with all the emails and everything coming in, the public was promised that there'd be more discussion and things like that before, um, anything was changed. Um, and as we've heard is a very busy time of year. I don't think anybody has noticed this. It was my own son who like pointed out, "Hey, >> [laughter] >> did you see there's a scheduling consultant on there?" Um, so I guess my ask would be that there would be more information given
041and discussions with the community before you guys, um, proceed with hiring a consultant, um, especially with there only being, um, 6 days and then it'll be $500 per hour. Um, I feel like there's a lot of risk too that, you know, it'll be easy to go over those 6 days. Um, and then I'll just, like I said, skip a lot of the other stuff. Um, I also just threw in, um, as you know, I have a kid at a cyber school too, but she did get into tech, so >> [laughter] >> now your money will be going to tech instead of the cyber school, so that's good news. Um, That's great news. But yeah, I'm excited. Um, so just my thing with the survey would be to point out and I didn't know if you
042guys had a copy or not, but um I didn't see anything with special education on there in the choices that the parent had for why they had left for cyber school. Um and I know from, you know, watching online and talking to a lot of people that is a huge factor in why some families feel the need to go to um cyber charter school. Um and like with the um financial or you know, the budgeting presentation last week, you know, if we can figure out how to retain those kids and help the kids it also helps financial-wise. So, you know, if if any further surveys are given, um you know, maybe just focusing on that special ed and try to get families talking and, you know, working so that, you know, we can solve two
043problems with one one, you know, thing. So, that's everything. Thank you. >> Before you go, I mean, just the first two had two parts to your presentation. One was the scheduling. Mhm. And um what would you suggest would be an adjustment to the scheduling that would appeal to special education students? Is there anything that we're not doing that we should be doing in that area? I'd say if anything, in special ed it's more about like testing and making sure the teachers are aware of what their disabilities are and, you know, that a lot of times is formal, you know, why the 504s and IEPs are, you know, out there in the first place. I mean, each kid is different, so I did go into that into a little bit in my long long discussion. Um
044I >> this, but that's your trade. >> [laughter] >> Um so, I guess ironically enough, I think that the block scheduling um is supposed to help the lower achieving students and I could actually see it helping the higher achieving students. My concern would be though putting a kid who already hates math or struggles with English, you know, they probably already hate that class and now you're going to put them in there for, you know, an hour and a half of that class instead of at least if it's every day for shorter, you know, it would break it up. But yeah, I can go in, you know, I could talk to you sometime about a million especially at this I get the emails and texts, but yeah, we're just trying to figure out a way to
045attract or at least, you know, retain our students. And congratulations. I think you have a child going to the Vo-Tech. Are you talking about how to retain the the special ed kids who leave for cyber? Based on what I'm seeing, they're one of the classes of our students that go to charter school more. Um I think that the district is good at, from what I can tell, about the the more severe kids with lots of disabilities, you know, you're helping them, that's why we needed more, you know, AS classrooms, that kind of thing. It's the kids I think that need just a little bit of extra support um or accommodations that a lot of times are even free um and there's just, you know, I think people think that they will just figure it out
046on their own eventually and we won't address that. Um but I think those are the families that get frustrated and they've tried to talk to people at the district again and again and finally they're like, "Okay, I'll, you know, Yeah, but what were they talking What were they asking from the district? I Some of it is bullying or social things. Like we're bad at diagnosing, I mean, ironically enough, at CD or East High now, um the kids actually like lunch detention. So I think sensory issues are a big thing for kids. If they're not diagnosed and the teacher doesn't know and, you know, um the other thing that I see a lot on Facebook with the cyber schools is um the kids that are struggling to read, if you go to say CCA, they will
047offer you the Wilson reading program. Um and I don't know what we offer our kids, but that's very attractive to families. When they see that other kids with kids who are struggling to read are, you know, getting what's considered to be the, you know, best option for the school. The other thing that you guys could do, um, I know there's been districts since my son was dyslexic, um, the Masons run a dyslexia center in Harrisburg. And so other districts have sent, it's expensive to even train a tutor because they work one-on-one, um, but other districts have sent and the dyslexia center will, um, pay for, you know, a staff member to get trained in the Orton-Gillingham system. So, it's a resource, I mean, obviously we can't work one-on-one with every student, but, you know, maybe
048it would help some of our, you know, one or two of our reading specialists better understand, you know, dyslexic kids, something like that. So, okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Michelle, I you said [clears throat] that on this survey we didn't include special ed, which I think's a fabulous idea, but I'm not so sure where this is, how long has this been out? It just went out. Cuz this says 5 12. I probably just printed it, oh, I just printed it today. I don't remember. That may be a printout. >> Maybe like a week or two ago. So, it was sent two weeks ago. We sent that to Yeah, I I have the results. Yeah, I have the results from that we just sent them from Mary Hurster today. So, I believe I sent that to
049everybody at some point in time today, uh, what the final result was. I believe I did, if I didn't I'll send it send it to my I thought I did today. All I'm saying is just as soon as you see something like that, board [email protected] for the community, send us your questions, your suggestions, your observations, and we can try to work on that right away, but Yeah, but we were Well, yeah, yeah, I think this one, I'm just saying in the future if more goes out trying to understand, that's an area that I think you should hit in terms of financial wise, too. So, Michelle, you did a great job public speaking. You did fine. Mhm. Um but I just want to let you know in terms of the scheduling consultant, um if you're going
050to stick around, um we'll explain kind of what it is about. It's not It's about a creating a process, and Mr. Terman can walk through when we get to that point in the agenda kind of what the purpose of the consultant will be if we hire the consultant, and what the process would look like. It's about creating a stakeholder process. It's not about imposing a decision. Okay, that's what I was just afraid cuz, you know, I knew how angry the families were, and you know, I just thought, well, if we don't give them a chance to talk even for a year. >> to learn from our mistakes. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Very good, Michelle. [clears throat] Moving on to unfinished business, item 701, treasurer's report month ending March 31, 2026. Mr. Bard. The administration [clears
051throat] is recommending approval of the treasurer's report for the month ending March 31st, 2026. This item was reviewed at the April 28th, 2026 board meeting. >> Hang on, Peter. Pause. Oh, I got it. >> My apologies. Oh, that's a problem. No, no, no, my apologies. I missed my notes. I read it real fast. It's all right. Um so, as we've started doing, um over the last several meetings, uh all of these items in unfinished business already had first read, and so we're grouping them into a consent agenda. Um we are uh looking at items 71 through 79, and we're pulling out 76, 77, and 78. So, we will vote on 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, and 79 as a block for consent consent agenda items. So, Peter, I apologize. Oh, that's fine. So, as stated
052by Mike Jacobs, I'd like to make a motion. So, we have a motion for the consent agenda. Again, items 71, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9. Second. And we have a second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed? I'm opposed. It's a no from me. Okay. That has to do with the schedule. We're not We're not there. We didn't do that. We pulled that out. >> No, no, no, the calendar. Oh, oh, oh. Okay, so coming back to item 706, that was pulled out from consent agenda. Uh Mr. Chairman. The administration is recommending approval of the following revised job descriptions. These items were reviewed at the April 22nd, 2026 personnel committee meeting in the April 28th, April 28th, 2026 board meeting. Coordinator of curriculum development and instructional practices, digital media and
053branding specialist, building and grounds coordinator {slash} warehouse supervisor {slash} copy shop supervisor. Um two of the positions uh we are just looking to re- redo the positions. Uh one was Chris Lopez's technology coordinator position. Um the coordinator of curriculum would support the directors, but more so help Dr. Box with all the work she needs to do with curriculum writing. The digital media and branding specialist, this individual is currently at the warehouse. Would come over here to be able to support Chris Lopez in work she needs to do with media. And the building and grounds coordinator {slash} warehouse supervisor {slash} copy shop supervisor will be an individual who's here who will now have supervision at the warehouse. May I have a motion to approve? So moved. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. Uh questions or
054comments? Um I had a couple of questions that were um sort of unanswered, to no one's fault. There was just not enough time to get them all answered. But secondly, just given the fact that this is budget season and we haven't adopted a budget for the new school year and given the fact that these positions are new and may in some cases be budgetary neutral, but in other cases we may or may not be. I'm personally not comfortable with moving them forward at this point cuz I know they would then be open to interview and I don't feel comfortable as a member of the finance committee having a position that may or may not tip our balance one way or the other at this point. I'm going to go along with that and just I
055think we have other things that we need to deal with before we get into this. Two of the positions right now currently filled, just to be clear. The digital media and brand specialist has a person in the role. That's just changing the role and what she's doing. The building and grounds could there's a person in that role as well. So, can we separate them? You can. >> Well, they stay they stay there though. I mean, it just we're just changing the position. I mean, they're still going to do what they're doing. So, it's not affecting them. It's just what they're titled for right now. It's the it's the first one that would be posted and and filled and have a potential salary change if the other two are already people in the job, but it's
056just a matter of changing their job description and that doesn't seem to have as much of a potential impact on the bottom line. As I see it. >> the questions? Because maybe we can get them answered and we [snorts] Because we would we would end up just filling the old job description. So, there's not going to be a change in Well, I just need to make sure we're clear. All we did was take a position which currently is vacant because somebody got a promotion and change what that individual was doing. If you say no to that, then what what we're doing is filling the position that is currently vacant. Vacant. I ask a question. Maybe I was I was confused. I was confused. I thought that with the promotion a lot of those roles were
057going to come these responsibilities were going to come up with that role. So, this we wouldn't need that role that's currently unfilled. >> For the first one or second >> First one. First one. No, the first one is more of the curriculum development. All the curriculum work that has to be done. And unfortunately, Dr. Box is not here. But all the work curriculum wise in terms of what she's what she has presented with that curriculum audit, you have to have someone who's going to be looking and monitoring that and help supporting teachers write curriculum. But that's like a new role compared to it's cuz like the responsibilities are completely different, right? >> The responsibilities are different than what they were previously and what Chris Chris Lopez was doing. But so with the curriculum development, I'm
058just taking this literally. We There's a lot of folks who worked in curriculum um who are no longer here. So, is this an acknowledgement that perhaps we should have retained some of the curriculum staff? No, cuz the role of this individual is quite different than the other job descriptions. You can pull this one, you can pull the other three that we they had previously, and they are drastically different. I I don't doubt that. I looked at them and I couldn't, you know, make heads or tails out of it. The title says curriculum development and instructional practices, which I would think is the main role of people working in curriculum. So, I am just um wondering and it said and I know Dr. Box needs help. Um that I I guess I'm just trying to understand
059This is this a new position? It's it's it's a new position, but it's replacing an old position. So, it's new per se in terms of the function and the job responsibilities, but it's not new for the fact that we're adding more money into the budget. So, these have all been accounted for in the budget? Correct. The only one that's going to be a minor change that we've discussed previously was the third one because now you're happen adding supervisory to her job description. But Mr. Sherman, to return to the first one, it is a change. You're saying it's a change in responsibilities and what was the other thing? So it's a change in specifically responsibility with that individual will be doing. So that is is is that that's basically a change? It's a change, but it
060what it's not doing is adding a new position. Cuz the position already exists. You just change what that individual will be doing. I understand. So for example, if we would have went along once Chris Lopez at that point in time got a promotion and we would have filled her position, it's the same thing. The only difference is is >> under the impression that that that that particular position was going to melt away. No, we No, well, then perhaps I misunderstood you. The other question I have and this is I'm not good with technology, but digital media and branding specialist I know in the finance committee we spent several hours trying to um uh get our branding on you know, on track. So we have Shannon who does an excellent job. What does a digital media
061and branding specialist do? Chris, can you kind of talk through in terms of what that role is and what was discussed? Okay, so um what's going to happen and a number of these functions is what um the part person who is currently running the copy shop, they have another duty and that duty is doing things like um our graphic design, but it's just taking away also managing the copy shop so that they can solely function on doing those graphic design functions. So she runs the website, she makes things that are also posted. So when Shannon has a need and she says, "Okay, I need this design to fit in with our branding to be posted on social media. That is what that individual is doing. And so it is a number of the functions are
062similar. It's just shifting away from also having that coffee shop duty to being able to focus because we do have such a large district, so there are so many needs. And so it's also doing things like giving consistency in the branding in terms of all of the graphics that are being created for the district. I know with the logos I thought we had had that nailed down, but um so is there a new person then doing the in the copy machine? Is there a separate individual? There's not a separate individual. So that's the individual who currently works in this building moving over and that's the one that is taking on the additional supervisory role. So is there any is if we say say we vote no, is there anything that will not get done because
063we voted no? That's I guess that's where like I'm not I I I hear they're shifting things, but everything's still going to get done and there's a lot of confusion still. I I'm just thinking that maybe we ought to just hold off until all of us are very clear. I know some of [clears throat] us are saying that we we understand, but I again, if what are we voting on if everything would get done if we didn't do this? Or or is there something that won't get done? I I don't know who can answer that. >> you're looking at the curriculum piece number one and and writing the curriculum and getting that across the board. Like you need a point person who's going to be able to do that. And we right now don't have
064somebody who's able to do that. So there's not a point person now? No. Did we just cuz I'm not in that committee, did we talk about that in the last committee meeting? >> about all of this on the 22nd and the 28th. All of this has been discussed twice. So. So one potential option from a parliamentary procedure is you made the motion, you made [clears throat] the second. If you would be willing to withdraw your motions, we could certainly amend this to vote on each one individually. As you had kind of alluded to instead of taking it as a group. That would require both of you to withdraw your motions or we can keep the motions and vote. On the agenda item as is. Say we voted no now and get more clarification saying finance
065on Thursday. Could we just bring this back and vote on it again or is this like once you're done you're done? That's my point is just it just get more clarification. Can I bring it back? You could certainly bring it back. Why don't you just table it? I mean we you could table it. So but but they would have to Yeah. You'd have to have a motion to table. Yeah. Yeah. So again the the same premise you'd have to withdraw you'd have to withdraw. I'll withdraw. Can I make a motion to table it until the next meeting? >> Sure. So Peter Eric then cuz we have a finance committee meeting is it is that the place to look at it again because it was already looked at. Personnel until after the next meeting so it
066would have to be finance. Can I please get the specific questions you want answered cuz I thought we did a good job answering this on the 22nd and the 28th. I think one of the problem is and we're fixing this by having the meetings online now is us who are not part of that committee might have not gotten all that information. So I think it's just everybody might not have everything. There you know it was a while ago and I got asked questions that I couldn't remember those granular information to share so that's why I just didn't want to send anyone the wrong information and I wanted to send them back to you and Dr. Paul. >> Question wasn't there at the meeting for me my question wasn't there. >> of them have developed after
067the fact too yeah. Well in order to expedite the process why don't we put it on the finance agenda before we do the I guess before we do the budget. That could be done cuz we don't we could poke it in the budget it doesn't have to be posted till 7:00 or till 4:30 tomorrow so we could do that. I guess I'm a little confused because this is why we have a first read for us to read review, whatever, and then ask questions. And those questions obviously weren't asked. I don't even know what questions you have, but it's a lack of information, and I think Well, I think >> Yes, we can withdraw, and yes, we we can postpone, but I'm afraid future items that we've already gone through a first read are going to
068impact our daily operations. And I just want everyone to be cognizant of the fact that first read is a first read. If you have questions to get clarification, get them within the 2 weeks or more so that we can come back here and actually vote on it. Because I don't want operations to stop. >> problem with the first read is the same that you have at like township meetings with development where you have the the pre-development and final package is one. I don't remember anybody asking questions during first read for much of anything. Um and so we need to start I think you have a good point. We need to start doing that. Dave also had a a good point. We're going to have the committee meetings up and not just for the public, for
069us, you know, to check it out. >> For our own memories. Yeah, that that will be beneficial. And um you know, [snorts] I in this particular uh event, you know, if we get it uh out of I don't know if we have to get it out of committee, but talk through on Thursday, we can vote on it one is Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I I did, Mr. Chairman, have one question cuz you know me. Um Build the building and grounds coordinator, was that the position we had last year and didn't fill? No, that's not. That's We have somebody in that role now. We're just adding that coffee shop to the We're just adding some supervisor responsibility, yeah. So, there's a motion to table. There's a motion to table. Is there a second? Second. Any additional
070question conversation? Uh Mr. Chairman, you want questions sent to you? Yes, please. >> Okay. All those in favor of tabling item 706, please vote in favor. Aye. Opposed? Motion tabled. Item 707, approval of board policy, Mr. Turman. The administration recommending approval of the revised board policy number 237, electronic and personal communication devices. This item was reviewed at the April 22nd, 2026 policy committee meeting and the April 28th, 2026 board meeting. May I have a motion to approve? Motion. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. Questions? I I just wanted to clarify I think one of the questions, um at least that I had that make sure that we that we have input into the policy and we will vote on that. I think you said This is the policy here. Right. So, this is So,
071I mean >> You're You're talking about the code of conduct and the discipline. >> I'm And the discipline. Sorry. So, the policy has to be enacted first before the code of conduct can be updated with the discipline. Okay. And that we will >> The policy doesn't in doesn't Yes, and the code of conduct every year is voted on. So, we would have an opportunity to look at that in June, first read, have some discussion to look to hopefully get it approved by the end of June. And for the public, just for background, um even though this is not something that's going to go into place for the state as a requirement in this next school year, we are choosing to put this policy out because we are required to have the policy in place. So,
072we are going to go through with going doing this. And we're Cumberland Valley has recently done it and they've enacted it this school year and Derry Township has done it this school year as well. And just to add just with with some except very few exceptions, it's base if if you've been with the district for a while, you know this is basically goes back 15 years, 20 years, the policy very similar to the policy we we once had. Except for we had to add the language about metal classes and >> Well, yeah, but there's higher newer technology makes it a little bit different. Yeah, that's the difference. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any additional questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. Opposed? Motion carries. Item
073708, agreement with School Scheduling Associates, Mr. Turman. The administration recommend approval of the agreement with School Scheduling Associates. It can something will support the district with creating a master schedule for all secondary schools. The cost will not exceed $27,000 for the 2026-2027 school year. This item was reviewed at the April 22nd, 2026 academic committee meeting and the April 28th board meeting. All right, so to kind of answer some of the questions which were posed earlier in learning from the town hall meeting in December of 2025, no, 2024 actually. One of the things we learned at that meeting was that scheduling is obviously something that we are going to have to take a different approach to. So, we kind of took some time back, took a step back, kind of talked through process and what it
074would be moving forward. So, the individual that's on the board agenda is an individual who has experience in creating schedule that the district wants him or him to pursue. So, we are going to take an opportunity to create a committee. Um, that committee will be comprised of parents, students, teachers, administrators where we will talk through some of the root causes in scheduling, the the current schedule, and then start talking through what we would like to see for all students. So, this is AP students, music students, but also ESL students, IEP students, and really talk through as a district, what do we want for our kids in both high schools? >> [laughter] >> We then at that point in time, the the individual give us options. Those options we will then go pursue. So, you will
075have individuals who go to different school districts, view their schedule, how it works, they will have conversation with them, and then bring it back to the committee. The committee at that point in time will then talk through some of these scheduling options, and then at that point in time we will start to make recommendations. Those recommendations are only for the bigger community to be able to get some information on. So, we are going to be taking recommendation to the committee, we will get some feedback, we will then go come back together, and kind of determine what is it that we would like to see for scheduling at our at our secondary schools. We also as a committee will find one or two things that we have to work around. So, the structure will be as
076one of the individuals who are part of the committee will say, "Hey, we need to work around our ESL students because our the neediest students in the district, and they need more time in class. Or, we need to work around for our district, we need to work around our music program." Whatever it may be and comes out of that committee, then we will create a schedule around that. So, we will be viewing different schedules, viewing different options. We will come to a recommendation as a committee, and then we will bringing that out to the to the masses. The goal will be to have a recommendation approved by the end of next school year. The second part to that then is looking at how you train teachers for your new schedule. Um that we are going
077to take a year's approach as well in terms of preparing teachers for a new schedule at middle school and high school. So, you wouldn't be looking at a schedule starting till the 28-29 school year potentially. So, we really want to make this a collaborative process. Um as I've been asked, is this something where you're just going to push through A or B? No. This is something where I'm going to ask the committee one thing and one thing only. The only thing I ask is that we come up with a schedule where our kids have more time with their teacher and their content courses. Right now, if you take a kid who has a Chromebook, by the time they walk in the class, open up a Chromebook, get started, that's two or three minutes. By the
078time they get their assignment, close their Chromebook, leave, that's another two or three minutes. So, our students, every single day, all kids, have about a 35-minute period in their content level classes and electives as well. So, my only ask is that they come up with a schedule and come up with what it would be in a recommendation, which is going to give our kids more time in content level courses, knowing our students are struggling in Algebra 1, they're struggling in literature, they're struggling in their science courses as well. So, that would be my only ask. But, this is going to be a process where the recommendation will come to the community, we will have discussion. The goal is to have a schedule that we can all agree upon entering 2027-2028, prepare everyone for that for
0792028-2029. So, I mean, what what Okay, we don't have a motion yet. I'm sorry. Yeah, is there a motion? I'll make a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you. Conversation. Yeah, so, the status quo is not an option. Obviously, your mandate is that we need to change if I'm hearing you right, so tell me if I'm not. The schedule needs to be changed to include more time with their content level classes. And um, clearly, then the the elephant in the room is the music. Um, so, I'm wondering as we're crafting that, uh, what kind of flexibility's in the schedule if we're saying it has to be more time. Yeah, for these >> for these classes. Can I add to that? Go ahead. I think the other thing too is the fact that the
080other thing too is the fact that our test scores are so dismal. I mean, we're ranked 2 300 in the state and here we are the 11th largest district. So, being able to provide the students with the more time in their classes or the core classes is a part of that, I would think. >> Yeah, but let Genie, let me add to that if you look at the top schools in terms of population which we're at, we're probably at the top of the heap if you break it out. You know, most of those schools are large city schools that have challenges. So, I'm not saying that we don't need improvement. I think we all acknowledge it. Everybody's complaining about teaching to the test. What I was asking Mr. Turman is, you know, I I don't
081know I just don't know the attention span of young people. I went back to teach at Penn State last fall and I couldn't believe it was like the attention span of a fruit fly. So, I'm just trying to And if I can throw something that goes along with that, I mean, I I disagree that staying the same isn't an option. I believe it is an option. But I also think there are other reasons for test scores being low. But if I can just give an analogy, I know I'm going to bore the the bore the board cuz I've said this before, but uh I'm going to compare it to tie and shoelaces. You know, if you're 2 years old, don't expect your kiddo to tie the shoelaces. If they're 7 and they can't, then you
082need to worry. But if they're 2 years old and they can't tie the shoelaces, you could spend 6 hours with them. They're still not going to tie their shoelaces and everybody's going to be annoyed. And but again, going back to I think there are other reasons that we're not addressing that deal with with test scores. Going down to the going you know, and and we always we we don't use this, but sometimes it's the ability of the kid. They just don't have like we always talk about going to college. Some kids don't have that type of mind. Uh you know, for example, my grandson can tear an engine apart and put it back together in his front yard. That's that's a different skill set. It's not a college bound skill set. So, you know, that's
083I just don't think it's more time that we need. One question I had that I double-checked my emails, but I had to ask this was supposed to come out of the superintendent's budget and asked Mr. Barr if he could send us what that budget is and I didn't see anything. I double-checked. I checked with a few other people, but I didn't never got an answer on that. I apologize. I will go I will circle back and get that out to you. I think there are two line items. Um but the issue is if it is a discretionary budget, Mr. Thurman, do you even need the board's permission? You need the board's permission. Here's what Do I need the board's permission to create a different schedule for the high school now? >> No, no, no. It's
084to hire the consultant. >> Correct. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah. >> Okay. So, the difference between me moving forward with a schedule and hiring a consultant is, you know, with with it being a an agreement or a contract, I did want to bring it to the board. Also, this individual is someone who would give me an opportunity to be able to see the tons of schedules that are out there. So, I have experience with maybe like three or four. Didn't want to limit it to that. Wanted to make sure that whatever we said was a non-negotiable, that that we would be able to have a schedule that would be created around that. That is not necessarily my skill set or also my two high school principals as well. So, it really is having somebody who
085can have us look at what would be the best thing for all kids in our district and I I not necessarily have the expertise to go that far. I can only go far enough. I've done middle school scheduling. I've done high school scheduling. Um I know probably, like I said, three or four master schedules to be able to accomplish a task. Um but once again, after the meeting we had a year and a half ago, the thought for me was to bring somebody in who could facilitate A, B, who would be able to show us options that we currently or wouldn't be able to come up with ourselves. So, if it's not approved, it'll just be something that me and the high school principals have to kind of figure out, but know that the scope
086will be limited uh cuz we don't have the same level of expertise to schedule around everything. Well, this isn't just I mean, this scheduling isn't just about adding time. This scheduling is about providing consistency and opportunity for the kids across the board because at each high school, if I'm remembering correctly, >> We fixed the the planner. The [clears throat] The choices of courses are the same at both high schools. Yes, that part has been done. >> That's been fixed. >> Okay. >> Correct. So, that's been done. Right. >> I So, how does that work into the scheduling though? Well, the schedule of both high schools are not consistent. They're >> So, at East High School, they might get 35 minutes, and at CD, they might get 45 minutes. And honestly, I want whatever I want
087the same opportunity for every child. And that's where I'm going to push for a schedule that is consistent across school. I think the needs are different sometimes. Um and I can appreciate the desire to increase test scores 100%. Like nobody doesn't want our children to be successful. I think my concern is there isn't a definite correlation between these schedules and then this is going to be the result. There's a lot of root causes to lower test results. And um you know, you always make fun of me for Googling, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of data to show that like block scheduling increases test results or short or long or whatever. I don't think it's the magic bullet to solving all of our problems. And I do appreciate all of the things
088that have been brought as a learning from the original rollout. Um it definitely went over like a lead balloon originally, but I think a lot of the things that you discussed with like the community groups and all those things could still happen in the absence of having a consultant that's $27,000 and $500 extra an hour. So, um that's just kind of where I'm at right now. I I I think it'd be good. I mean, I'm not really opposed to the concept. I'm I I So, I went and spent this weekend, as you know, I have no life, and I looked at uh this, and I told Mr. Turman about this. They They have a lot of experience. I I I It's hard for me though to invest and then they have basically two principals, two
089brothers. They're based in Virginia. It's hard for me to believe that they can be really focused if and I looked at their schedule, they're booked through the entire year. That tells me, "Hey, a lot of people want to use their services." Uh that's great. Um and you know, the other The other thing is and maybe this is me just being wonkish, the website hadn't been refreshed since 2017. And when you go to a website, that tends to tell a lot about the entity. There's no doubt, there's all these superlatives, and I noticed in Pennsylvania, Capital Area Intermediate Unit, Dover, East Pennsboro, Governor Mifflin all used them. So, I mean, I I think there's a lot to it in my mind. Um because you want to get support for this project. And in my mind, I
090I would delay it until we have more discussion. I hate to keep delaying stuff. Uh and we certainly can vote on it. Um but uh it seems to me if I'm measuring the board, there's um some uneasiness. I am not comfortable with block scheduling. I will never be comfortable with block scheduling. So, and I feel that this person this group is very much pointed towards block scheduling. And so, that's where [laughter] I stand. I get that you that it's a lot of um work that's going to need to be done, but I think you have community that might step up. You have some parents. You know, we East has had a very difficult time having a PTO, but there are definitely some parents that could share their input. Um yeah, there's one right out there
091in the audience. Um but anyways, I I just I I won't stand I I can't stand behind something that I know that this person this group a lot of it was block scheduling, and I just from my [snorts] 22 years in education have not a fan of block scheduling, so that's where I stand. Where does it say that it's block scheduling? >> of the schools have gone with, and that's what they're going >> at the research, it is very much um pushed towards block scheduling. >> Do we have block scheduling now? No. But the But the counter But the counter is The counter is if the community engagement and the commit and the stakeholders are 180° away from block scheduling, that's what drives the process. It's not the consultant. The consultant is the facilitator. The
092consultant works on our behalf. And so, you know, it's up to the It's up to the community and the stakeholders to talk about what are non-negotiables. What it What is important that that we need to have, whether it's the music folks having their situation or whatever. And so, and so, I would just push back slightly and say that that ultimately the consultant is responsible to the to the administration and that you know it's the engagement of the community and the stakeholders that determine the direction of the schedule. You could have a you could have Well, no, you could have a >> be people that like it. I mean, I don't I mean, the mandate could be more inclusive and block scheduling and you know, what constituents felt would be the best. I I don't know.
093>> I mean, he clearly is saying yeah, he he knows about three different types of schedules. >> There's a 50-minute there's a 50-minute period. There's a 60-minute period. There's all types of periods that you can create. So, it doesn't have to be block >> you go online and look at their schedules, it hasn't been updated since March 17th, 2012. They have 18 examples for elementary school, five for middle and 18 for high school. I looked at them, couldn't understand it to be honest with you, but um I I guess what I'm saying is in order for this to be successful, I think the board has to be supportive of an effort and I agree. And I think you know, Mr. Thurman, maybe we can amend it so that when the guy gets his marching orders,
094it's just not block schedule, but other options. I I I don't know. >> Agreed. Here here's where I I stand with all this. Mr. Thurman, we've given him a budget to spend however he he chooses, he feels he needs um to help accommodate him to be as successful as he can. I don't feel that I should be stepping in, even though I'm required to vote to say how you should spend that money. You have a certain amount of money and if it this is a priority that you that you think will help you in getting the job achieved for our students, I'm for it. But that's That makes sense. I I agree that if he needs that, he needs what he needs. But we ask about the budget. Nobody in this board even knew about
095this line item. We requested information and we did and get that information. I understand. >> I emailed it out. I I mean it's my fault. I I I apologize for not getting it to you guys sooner. I just emailed it out to you guys. It's a $47,000 line item in his budget for this particular professional service. Um I did email it out to you guys. The two line items that go in there were PSBA fees and um this particular service. That's the two line items that go in there. To expand on what I'm saying, if he has $47,000 and he feels that this is that much of a priority for him to spend $27,000 of it, it doesn't matter budget or no budget. He's still going to have that bucket that is I think, Genie,
096the point Dave is making is that the money's there. Nobody knew it was there. And it's not Nobody did anything untoward. Um and that's what I'm saying. I if if it's Mr. Turman's, I don't know what the the fund is, Peter, discretionary fund, he can do with it as he wants. I believe that he's simply And I could be wrong, Mr. Turman, would like board support or we know board endorsement. Well, I just once again, we we went through this process a year and a half ago. You know, it was a little bit of a struggle, which is fine. Um you don't learn until you fail. So, you came back from that and said, "Okay, what do you do when you reenter and you do it again?" So, this is nothing more than, you know,
097if there's agreement like, "Hey, we don't want block scheduling. We don't want this." Then you take that into the committee and I'm already knowing that. So, this is not something where I'm coming in there saying that I want block scheduling and that's it. Cuz I could just do that move forward. I don't need anybody's permission. I could create a schedule for the high school tomorrow, roll it out and say this is what we're doing. But we're not doing that. We're trying to engage people to make sure everybody has an understanding of what it would be across the board. So, you know, if this is I have no agenda with this. The only thing I ask is that we our kids have more time with their with their teachers. That's all I ask. That's all I
098ask. Whatever that Whatever shakes out of that, if it's 50 minutes, if it's 60 minutes, you can do a block schedule, and I'm giving you an example. >> [clears throat] >> You can do a block schedule, and it's not a block, meaning it's a block schedule, but you can cut the periods in half. So, one period could be English, next period could be remediation because this student needs it. So, let's take an ESL kid. All right, this ESL student needs a block block period. The other student doesn't. There's plenty of schedules that are out there. I just want someone who can take the information that's given and create a schedule that's going to be and be conducive for our students. That's all I ask. Um we've spent a lot of We've put a lot of
099money towards using this other IU that's in I can't remember what it was. >> Chester Chester County. Did they not do something of this regards? Well, I didn't ask. Honestly, this gentleman came highly regarded in terms of his knowledge for schedules. So, I was not interested in somebody who does this. I was interested in someone who could come on and board, look at our situation, and create a custom schedule for us. What you're going to find is somebody I can Once again, I can give you four or five schedules right now. You can look up and as my friend over here, you can look on Chat GPT. It will give you six schedules, but that's not really the process that we want to use. All right, I'm going to call a vote, and we're going
100to do a roll call vote. Um Well, okay, so also Mr. Chairman, then just to be clear, you're not locked in with the block schedule. No. No. All right, so you're willing to look at other options based on the feedback from the community. >> Correct. And based on what that that that committee and what they have in terms of what their recommendations are. And but we will also, Eric, just to be clear, is we're going to go look at a all different types of schedules, and then come back and have a lot of conversation. So, this isn't just saying here's the schedule. Like we may come back and have four or five different schedules that we've looked at on on other school districts, come back and have some discussion. So, this is a year-long process
101to land on something by the end of next school year. My only question goes with the It says cost will not exceed 27,000. >> Yeah. But then people keep bringing up this $500. Yeah, so the consultant is one very good question. The consultant is one is I'm only going to use him when I see fit. That's why I'm putting it under me. So, it's $4,500 for him to come out and spend the entire day. Um if he's just going to start creating schedules at home and send us examples, it's not the same fee. If that makes sense. So, in the course of a year, we're not going to spend more than 27,000. >> to keep it 27,000 or >> or under. Correct. And it'll be some him being on site, but some of him being
102at home working through some things for us. Can I ask Mr. Bart? I don't see 27,000 in the attachment you sent. But Or it was 47,000 and it's in line item number line Excel line number 10. Can I Can I ask under professional services? Yes, under 330 professional services. I got you. I see it. Can I add something? I just want to 233 I'm sorry, 43,850. I just want to touch base to what Eric said. Did we know that the superintendent had a budget of his own? I did. I didn't know what that was. I mean, but we have the same thing with principals. Principals have their budget. I don't know what that is, but I don't feel like I'm there to tell them what they should and shouldn't be doing for their schools. I
103guess that's No, my my >> Just I'm just trying to further explain what I'm Yeah, my point is not about the money or the fund. I think the superintendent should have a discretionary fund. My point is if you have a discretionary fund, why we voting on it? Well, I agree. And I'm just also concerned that we've had so many consultants that we've hired over the course of time and just as a >> [clears throat] >> All of our consultants have been successful and we've made money off of them. Um so I I get a lot of public feedback and comment and one of the things that I do hear is a frequent area of concern, whether it's valid or not, I still listen. I'm an elected official, that's my job to listen to the community
104and there is a lot of concern about the money that we as a district has spent on consultants and the fees to consultants. Can I respond to you? >> Um so the question [snorts] is, is this something that we really need a consultant for or does proper engagement of the community and doing some focus groups and things like that kind of remove that necessity and also take the questionability um of what Janelle's concern is, which is sort of it's a means to an end that that particular person wants to have anyways, which would be block scheduling. Yeah, and I I just to join in on that, you know, this is something I think this administration should do, but I I have taught block scheduling. Um I can do it. I I didn't think it was
105the best way to go, but I'm just going to throw out there um everything I read when I looked everything up on the internet, this is leaning towards block scheduling. I It's not that I don't believe that there could be another outcome, but I think the block scheduling outcome is, if I were to bet, that's what I would bet on, the outcome of this. Um and I'll go back, you talk about what we've done in the past, I'll go back, I can't remember everything that we've spent a lot of money on and doesn't exist anymore. I think the the first one I remember is outcome-based education, although that was a state thing. Um and then there was learning focus, which we spent a lot of money on, everyday math, and I'm sure there's some other
106ones out there that I'm forgetting that we spent a lot of money and um we are, you know, even though we said we were told we had input, the input was really listening, that was our input. Um I'm I'm just I I think the money could be better spent. If if it can be done without our vote, then I think at least from my point of view, uh, then that's how it's going to have to be done. As the solicitor, so if we vote no, that's just us saying we don't want it, but if it's superintendent's own budget, they could still do it if they want. Correct. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not the solicitor. >> You're not. Solicitor, uh, Okay. You need us once I support. I don't I don't I'm not sure how that
107budget was set up. I mean, if the if there is spending of money, I think the board has to vote on it. Um, I don't I don't know that that account is like carte blanche that anything could be, you know, spent out of that account. So, I do think it the board approval is required. That doesn't make sense to me. We approve a budget. His budget is 47,000, whatever change. It flows out Is that what the Is that what it's saying? >> never put in parameters that if it exceeds 10,000 or 25,000 >> dollars in the budget last year. I thought we had a certain threshold. I don't know what that was that had to be board >> We have a certain threshold to put to expose purchases over 25,000 in the treasurer's report. >>
108That's the only thing we've had, but we've never put that I've been here I don't have any restrictions on >> year, last year his last year the budget line item was zero, so there wasn't accounting for a particular purchase like this in there. Um, so when the budget would is approved, um, there is a theory, but it's not like but it's also contract too, so. Yeah, look, regardless if we have to or not, I think Mr. Thurman to move forward should have support of the board. And I don't know if they're going to get it tonight. So, I'm suggesting and it's up to Mr. Thurman, I guess it's your call to postpone it, but I'm sensing a split decision. Uh and and I think a lot of it has to do with what people don't
109know. You know, I think if we had time to examine it, maybe what, but also Mr. Jacobs, maybe nothing changes and it's uh I I'm just sensing that we're split. I mean, can I ask you we've had we've made and Kristen has alluded to us hiring consultants. But every consultant that we have hired is has provided us with positive results that it has ended up saving us money. Could you account for for that and give us a list of those consultants because So, honestly it's we hired, you know, the grant writer and they've they've gotten us millions of dollars. And none of that has come back to to show the public that these votes or or us hiring these consultants have paid off. So, we did the audit. Uh that was year [snorts] year ago.
110Um and we all saw the audit findings. I believe that was over the summer. Those audit findings now have helped Dr. Box with directional on terms of writing curriculum writing writing. Um we also did the in terms of looking on uh coming up with a framework. Uh we started with that. Took an entire three, four, five months working through the framework. We're now at this point in time the district owns it and we're taking that framework and we're working through that framework with all of our teaching staff. So, you actually use it. Correct. And it's a framework now that is every teacher has. So, >> just rebut that, Genie, with two words. Vern McKissick. He was and is a consultant. And we made a mistake. And we make mistakes. >> make a mistake, but that
111>> Well, it's a $4 million mistake. But we regardless the projects that we have ongoing regardless if it was McKissick, we had to hire a a firm. I don't disagree. I'm not necessarily opposed to this. I just want to go into it with you know, last year we crapped a bit. We didn't prep. It was a disaster. So, I think there's a need to look at scheduling. I just want to make sure that we have the widest possible um And and I guess what I've been looking at the scheduling what I'm looking at is micromanaging whether it be him or any anyone our principals or whatever on things that they think they're their audience or whatever their customers need and we're going to micromanage those purchases. I'm not an expert in scheduling. I'm not an
112expert in education, but we've hired him to be that person to guide us and to lead this district forward and I just want to support him and if it turns out to be a bust, that is that's his part of his budget that he just he just blew. Yeah. Um but you know, you live and learn on a lot of those things. [clears throat] That won't happen. >> don't want to go down that slippery slope of micromanaging everyone that has a budget. I'm not we're not talking about it. It's on the agenda. So, it's an action item and we're discussing it. We've had a trillion items that are less than $27,000. And we approve don't approve. So, I think there's three different issues. One is the superintendent is definitely entitled to have a fund. The
113other one is micromanagement, but I think the one before us is whether or not we're going to proceed with a vote on this proposal. So, we have a motion and a second. Yes. Ms. McCollum, you call the roll. Mr. Dorneman. I'm still reading this. Uh I I will I will vote yes. Mr. Epstein? No. Mr. Garlic? Yes. Mr. Gordon? No. Mrs. Hanford? No. Mr. Jacobs? >> Yes. Mrs. Webster? Yes. Mrs. Bingaman? No. Mrs. Cavalli? No. The motion passes with five affirmative votes. I think it's the other way. >> sorry. No, it's the other way. >> Motion fails. >> Yeah. Okay. Moving on to new business, item 801, personnel report, Mr. Turman. The administration recommend approval of the personnel report as discussed in executive session. >> May I have a motion to approve? Motion. Is there
114a second? Second. Questions? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? Item 802, adjudication of student cases 1353, 1354, 1355, 1356, and 1357, Mr. Turman. The administration recommend approval of the adjudication of student cases 1353, 1354, 1355, 1356, and 1357 as discussed in executive session. May I have a motion to approve? So moved. Is there a second? >> Second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? >> I. Item 803, memorandum of understanding with Act 93, Mr. Turman. The administration recommend approval of the memorandum of understanding with Act 93 regarding summer working hours. This item will appear on the May 26, 2026 board agenda for approval. Um this was the same uh item that we put on the agenda last year. Those in Act 93 were required this year to attend
115events. That would be athletic events, any events in the school, so that we cut down on cost of security at those. What I'll be asking for in return is that they are allowed to work 8:00 to 4:00 Monday through Thursday. Again, this is not a voting item for tonight. If you have questions between now and the next meeting, please direct them to Mr. Thurman. >> Mr. Thurman, also Randy. Thank god I got it right. So, this is similar to what was in force last year. Yeah, correct. Okay. All right. Item 804, memorandum of understanding with CDEA. Administration will recommend it is recommending approval of the memorandum of understanding with CDA to contract with third parties to obtain the following services for students. Physical and occupational therapy therapy services, speech language pathologists, and school psychologists. This
116item will appear on the May 26 board agenda for approval. This is just an agreement that we will keep those positions that we are contracting open, and we are still going to continue to try and hire staff. Once staff are hired, we will not have the contracted person in the role. Again, not for a vote for tonight. Item 805, memorandum of understanding with CDESPA. Mr. Thurman. The administration recommending approval of the memorandum of understanding with CDESPA to retain the services of contracted support staff professionals on a temporary basis during the 26-27 school year. This item will appear on the May 26, 2026 board agenda for approval. Same goes here that we are keeping those positions open. Anytime a contracted person is in one of those roles, but we hire a staff member, we move away
117from the contracted position. Item 806, tax collection agreements, Mr. Bard. God bless you. Thank you. The administration is recommending approval of the agreements between Central Dauphin School District, the Borough of Dauphin, the Borough of Penbrook, and Dauphin County for the collection of of real of the real estate taxes. The terms of the agreements are 2026 through 2030. This item will appear on the May 26, 2026 board agenda for approval. These docu- these two agreements are renewals of the agreements that are expiring of this year. They do not include any uh increases for fees. Is that over the term of the agreement? Um I'm not sure. I'd have to review them, but >> Yeah, check and see. I mean, cuz I I tax collecting is not an easy job. I agree with you. I will I
118will check I will check and I will have an answer for you at the next meeting. Item 807 Central Dauphin School District sports summer camps, Mr. Chairman. The administration is recommending approval of the following Central Dauphin School District sports summer camps. This item will appear on the May 26, 2026 board agenda for approval. EHS boys basketball, June 15th to the 17th at EHS. CD baseball, be June 16th to the 17th at CD high school. EHS baseball camp, the 17th and 18th at Panther Park. CD boys basketball, the 29th to the 2nd at CD high school. EHS cheer youth camp, that'll be August 8th, 2026 at the East high school main gym. The that is open to anyone. Again, not for a vote tonight. Item 808 grant writer agreement, Mr. Chairman. The administration is recommending approval
119of the grant writer agreement with Community Center Consulting LLC for a term to begin August 7th, 2026 through August 6th, 2028 at a cost of $40,000 annually. This item will appear on the May 26, 2026 board agenda for approval. So far in terms of grants which have been awarded to the district this year. Um just this year alone, we have won $2.8 million in grants. The BOOST grant is going to summer learning, PCD mental health, uh is going to weapons detection, and behavioral staffing. School-based mental health, school psychologists, and social workers for student mental health. This was $1.7 million over a 4-year period of time awarded to the district. The school-to-work grant, wrote that grant, was able to get $250,000. We are going to establish a education pathway at both of our high schools, and
120then also a nursing pathway at both high schools. The education pathway is underway. And also the PCC school grant, which was $349,000. Those grants that are still in the hopper, we have The big one is the PA school facility improvement grant. Sent a Sent information to the board that we are now into the final stages of possible being able to get that grant. That would be for $5 million to help offset some of the cost at North Side Elementary School. And there's a other list of grants here, anywhere from $200,000 all the way up to five, and then we have some for PennDOT, $288,000 that will help with some of the the work that we want to do at the Asbury building. We have applied for several grants this year, have been awarded five, and
121hopefully will be awarded more as we move forward. Total in the pipeline right now is $12 million in grants. And what did we get this year? I'm sorry, Mr. Turman. We got $2.8 million this year. Okay. What was the cost? Do you know the cost of the $40,000. It was the same? Same. Yep. No difference. >> So, I just I did email Mr. Turman and had questions, which he answered. And I just asked if we would be um uh looking to uh uh get a funds from the uh Cal Ripken STEM project. I think one of our schools got it. All of them? Yeah. So, All but one elementary school um got the Cal Ripken grant for their STEM labs, and so we only we purchased for that one school that did not receive it.
122>> we don't even need to do the effort. They have we've got them all, and then we purchase for the other. Mhm. All right, Mr. Chairman. I look like an idiot on that. That's all right. Again, uh, this item will appear on the next agenda for approval. Moving to item 809, public speakers. This is the second of two opportunities for the public to address the board on any item that they wish, and we have one individual signed up to speak, uh, Mr. Steven Gristo. Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to speak. First of all, I wanted to, uh, mention whoever could take care of this. This was on my property, Central Dauphin School District Transportation Department. So, whoever take care of that. I'll take it. Uh, besides that, um, considering the as far as
123students are concerned, I've noticed that there's students that are left there while the bus is gone. They're coming before 7:00. And I think they ought to do what they can to stop them from coming before 7:00. It shouldn't It should be from 7:00 on. And I've seen it. They're left there standing. In one case, I told a student, "Sorry, the bus already left." We ought to do what we can to have the buses not come before 7:00 a.m. Um, considering a lot of what was discussed tonight, as far as students trying to learn and what they're learning. Let's do a little bit on the way of statistics. So, the budget for this year is 272 million dollars, 26, 27. Give or take, maybe I'm off a little bit. Five years ago, it was 200 million.
124At $75 million in five years. And considering the the amount of money that's been spent in those five years, what are we getting for our money? I heard some statistics here tonight. Do you know that the Central Dauphin East High School These are state statistics, not mine. Not off the whatever. In reading is 50%. 50%. Are you satisfied with that? >> [snorts] >> I heard Eric say uh I'm teaching again. He says they got the attention of a flea. Fruit fly. Fruit fly. Same thing. But it's the point. It's the point though. That's a sad statement, really. And it's 21 to 22% proficient in math. How can you get in a society when you can't do math? 75% cannot do math. High school statistic. >> [clears throat] >> Central Dauphin East High School. 21 to
12522% is proficient. Are you satisfied with that? That's a question we got to ask. You're talking here, what do we do? We this consultant, that's consult. All these millions spent. 75 million in five years for what? These are the questions we got to ask ourselves. And you just mentioned all the areas collected, Pembroke, this district, that district. I've been paying taxes a long time, which I just said before. When are we that are over 65 going to get a break from this? And has any progress been made since I made that statement months ago? Anybody? Students get up here, they're all excited. This game, that game, the choir, this, that. Well, I want to tell you something. Shapiro's no friend of mine, not when you want to spend 1 million of taxpayer money on your
126private home for partial landscapers. And I'm a landscaper on the side. So, and he's no friend of the unborn baby, which is an endangered species in Pennsylvania. That's for sure. So, with the money that's being spent and our governor wanting to pour more money down a hole, and we're getting these kind of statistics? Can we really be satisfied with that? Are you? I mean, look at yourself in the mirror when you go home, when you get up in the morning. Are you satisfied with that? >> [snorts] >> And all the money that's being spent and we're trying to figure out in our minds, what can we do to make it better? Maybe we ought to get back to the basics. Number one, the dress code. Distraction. Girls going to the bus stop in the morning
127wearing short shorts, 38° this morning. And she's got a blanket over her shoulder, but wearing short shorts. You think that doesn't distract a young guy in the classroom? Come on, we all know the answer to that. You guys, we've all been teens, we know that. Number one, get rid of the distractions. >> Get rid of the distractions. Number two, Okay, let's not have t-shirts that's going to distract. Maybe we need to get back to geography, but think seriously of how you're using our money. Please, please, and give us that are seniors a break. Thank you. Stephen, I can talk to you afterwards, but when you ask, I mean, it's like an indictment the way you posed the question. We have 23 buildings. We have a fleet of buses. We have to repair roofs. We have
128to repair and keep up to date playgrounds. The amount of money we have what that's discretionary is less than what, 20%? So, we are also having to adhere to unfunded mandates. And you maybe you're not aware of it, but there is an autism crisis. We have to deal with special ed. We have to deal with English as a second language. So, we take on all people and treat them equally and hope they get an equal opportunity. Um, but you need to understand we have bills that we have to pay. Electric went up, water went up, sewage went up, gas went up. Multiply that by 19. And that you'll see that's where most of the funds are going, brother. I hear you. And I understand those things and I do take that in consideration, but the
129amount that's actually being focused on the child to actually learn. It's a good point. >> Cell phones, let's face it, they're addicted. They were there at the bus stops. They don't even talk to each other. I We're not going to They don't even communicate with each other. We'll have the conversation afterwards and then I'll convince you that I'm absolutely right about everything. >> [laughter] >> Moving on to item 8.10, board representative reports. Are there any? Um, I just wanted to point out I don't think we anybody on the board mentioned it because last week wasn't a board meeting, but I did want to say um happy teacher appreciation week, happy nurses, school nurses week. Um I think it was principals. Anyway, it was all the things in May. So, And Mother's Day. >> Mother Oh,
130Mother's happy Yeah, happy Did you get the flowers? I I did it. Okay. I didn't send it. >> though. My dog ate my chocolate. >> Yeah, I'll have to send them next [clears throat] year. But, just want to say all the Thank you to all of them. Other board representative reports. Uh Peter and I met with Mike uh Stramara who's our senior rep with PSDLAF. Um you guys may have heard that I was concerned about fees. Um and there are fees um but they straightened it out. Um I'm going to speak in a little different language here. Uh the highest we'll pay is 25 basis points. A basis point is 1/100 of a percent. Um That's pretty good. Yeah. Uh yeah, so the fees are good and that's the highest. So, on average on the
131actual liquids money, we're about 13 basis points. Um and the way they do it that it's different than my industry where you see it. Um they report it basically after. They give us net of fees. But, bottom line is that it's very reasonable. Um and I and I was happy that we were able to go through that. And then I also looked up all their U4s. Um for any of you that know that my industry, we have a U4 that says if there's anything on our records and I was happy that there was nothing to worry about. >> all clean. Tom, we appreciate you using your uh professional experience in engaging with that. So, thank you. Other board representative reports. >> Yeah, just a quick shout out to Dr. Porter at Linglestown Middle. I went
132to the musical last night. The uh and with my kids and my grandkids, I've been going there for over 20 years, 30 years. And uh best behaved uh probably the most talented kids I've seen in a long time. They did a really good job last night. I'm very impressed. Other board representative reports? Moving to item 8.11, board committee reports. Well, we have a scintillating finance committee meeting Thursday 4:30, and we will include the other topic we were assigned, and I'm not going to steal Dave's thunder. Yeah, then right after the golden ground, [laughter] which will probably be like 10:00 at night after you're done. >> No, no, no, we're going to be quick. No, we were also very exciting, right? And just And just for the public's own knowledge and those joining us online, um
133uh at at the behest of recommendations of community members, the the committee meetings will be made available online during, and so you'll be able to um you should be able to get those. I believe it's through Microsoft Teams or I'm not sure who it is or whatever, but So, it will be on YouTube the same as the board meetings. So, it will be on that same channel. So, is it live or is it just posted a recording afterwards or both? Both. Okay. Well, so we'll have to watch our behavior. So, the uh Yes, sir. It is. So, okay, thank you. Well, I mean, uh Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Turman, thank you cuz that got up and on, and we tried to respond to the public. We had We just I don't know why we weren't
134able to do it years ago, but thank you for getting it done, and thank you, Mr. Turman. But uh any other board committee reports? What's Uh we have The 27th >> That's after our next meeting. 27th of May. Personnel Policy and academic. >> Academic. But Peter, for us at finance, this is the last meeting of the year. No, we have one in June, um but this one in particular is going to be important cuz we're going over the preliminary final budget and I like to uh this is important cuz this Mr. Epstein's first one public where he has to watch his behavior. So, I think it's important you turn it off for us. Oh, yeah. Item 8.12 sympathy resolutions, Mr. Chairman. Sympathies are extended to the family of Susan DeArmond, former computer technician, on her
135passing. Sympathies are extended to the family of Dil Majahi, Majahi, custodian at Paxtonia Elementary, on her passing. Item 9.01 adjournment. May I have a motion? So moved. Is there a second? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Meeting adjourned.