001special meeting tonight for Tuesday, June 2nd for school board member interviews. Um, please rise. Join me for pledge of allegiance followed by moment of silence. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Uh Mr. Rabber will be joining us in a minute. He's uh close by. He's out in the parking lot. He'll be in here shortly, I suppose. Um he got called to another item right now. Um item 2.01. I just want to review the candidate selection process. Uh we will go through uh the interview questions. Mrs. Staler will be asking the questions. Uh Chris distributed those to board members last meeting. Uh and there were some comments from some board members um that
002made some revised added some questions. Um one thing uh just for um our process, this special meeting wasn't advertised as a voting meeting. So we're going to follow the interview process. you know, we'll have the public comment like we do the actual nomination and vote will then happen at the 7:00 median meeting and that's just that's just a procedure matter because this 6:00 wasn't advertised as a voting meeting. So, if we get done before 7, uh, everyone just have to hang out a little bit and then at 7 we can finalize this part and then move on to the regular 7 o'clock agenda. Any questions from board members on the process? U Mrs. Staer, as she asks a question, she will alternate uh back and forth between the candidates of of who goes goes first.
003So item 2.02, uh introduction of candidates. Uh we have two candidates uh this evening who have u submitted their letters of interest. Uh those those letters were also uh distributed to board members in your packet last meeting. Um we have Mr. Bill Leonards. Uh both candidates are from region five. Uh Chris and I talked about this I don't know a month or so ago. Um I think in the past 10 12 years we've had this scenario maybe five times or so. And only one time did we not have um letters of interest from from anyone within the region. This time we do. So it's hopefully a shorter process and we don't have to go through the court process. Uh we have Mr. Leonards uh and Mr. Borian. Again, I won't read their resume because they'll
004probably talk a little bit about that through in their qu in their answers to their questions. But from the school board perspective and the school community, we appreciate your interest and uh we look forward to uh your your answers and then we'll have board discussion and um then we'll make a vote. Okay, Mrs. Staler. >> Thank you, Mr. Norcross. Okay, we're going to start with Mr. Leonards. The first question is, what motivated you to become a board member? Well, my first thought is that I have uh deep roots in the community. Okay. I was born and raised in Chambersburg. Um I uh graduated from Cashas. My kids graduated from Cashes. Um so, uh and and I'd like to to see the school continue. I'm proud of I was always proud of being a Trojan, you
005know, when I was going to school here. So, uh, but that in itself um uh wasn't the only reason. That's, you know, um I like to I like to think that I uh can make a difference on the board. You know, I served on the board before, as most of you know. Um and I had um and I think I can make a difference again. Uh, as you can see from my resume, you all saw my resume. My my resume um I have a strong background in uh budget and uh accounting. Um I don't have a a big um u background other than be I learned a lot being on the board those four years uh about the education process. It was a a good learning experience. But when I look around at the board
006members now, I see, you know, there's several teachers on the board and a retired superintendent. So, uh, I think the education side of the house is is pretty well taken care of. Uh, what I'm bringing to the table is my, um, financial background. Um and with you know the um addition or you know the the proposed to to add three additional buildings to um uh to pay for uh I'm thinking that I can might be able to you know help guide the that process you know along. Um, part of my background, um, I I when I first started, um, uh, working in the budget field, I worked right out here at Letter County for, uh, the Army Audit Agency for a couple years, and then I went to, uh, the Deskcom um, Systems Command, and
007um, I worked there for a few years, and went to Europe, worked there for 16 years. Uh, I managed a uh, between 500 million and $600 million budget. Uh when I left um Europe, I worked at the um um headquarters US Army Command there. I uh went to um I was hired by the Pentagon at the Army Budget Office where I'm I managed a team of four other people, had approximately a 1.2 1.3 uh billion dollar budget that I managed. Um, so I'm hoping that I can bring that to the table here and uh while they carry out the process of uh, you know, paying for perhaps three new buildings. Um, so I think that's that's it. >> Thank you. All right, Mr. Borian, I'll I'll repeat the question. >> Okay. What motivated you to
008become a board member? >> Well, first of all, I'm passionate about public education. That's something that I've done for 33 years in the past before I retired in 2015. Um, I think I have the the opportunity to, you know, the uh experience in education. Uh, I understand as Mr. Lennon said that there are, you know, other people that have the same experience, but I think I offer a a unique experience in terms of my background in special education and uh student services. I worked with um as a as a school administrator for 33 years in Shippensburg School District. We had a a lean mean fighting machine. Um so as a as an administrator, it wasn't just special ed. I was giving other assignments. Um and uh so I I feel like I have a broad
009knowledge of what goes on in the schools. Um for the last about 10 years I've been subbing as a substitute teacher and at Cashes um at Ben Chambers, been in um most of my time has been at Cam's North but uh so I feel like I have that experience to bring to the board. Um knowledge of what's going on in our schools right now. Um when I worked as a special ed director, I did have um responsibility for a budget of a couple million dollars. Um and I understand the the process that you have to go through in terms of school budgets. Um when we when I was in Shippensburg, we had at least three or four building projects. We built a new school. Um and our like I said our administrative team worked closely
010to you know make sure that we complied with all the PTE requirements for for new buildings. So I I understand the process um the building process and um yeah I think I have that to offer to the board. >> Thank you. Next question. Mr. Borian, what do you see as the board's responsibilities and the superintendence? >> May I ask the question? Could you say the question again? >> Sure, absolutely. What do you see as the board's responsibilities and the superintendent? >> Well, I believe that the most important thing that a school board does is hire a superintendent. Um, and so the board's responsibility is to support the superintendent in the work that he does to try to make sure that we have a good education u program for all of our students. Um, I think
011the board needs to uh listen to the community and uh be a a sounding board for the superintendent about what's going on in the community. Um, you know, when I ran for school board, I had a chance to meet a lot of people. Um, and I did a lot of knocking on doors and spent a lot of time doing that. Uh, and talking with people and so I feel like I have a pulse on what people think about in region 5. And I think part of the school board's responsibility is to um, be a voice for the community. But really, you know, we hire a superintendent to uh run the school district, and I think it's important that we support him in that job. >> Thank you, Mr. Leonards. What do you see as the
012board's responsibility and the superintendence? >> Okay. Um well being on the board before you know I always looked at the the board as being like the u the governor you know we we kind of it's more of a governance responsibility for the board. We by by policy coming up with policies um oversight of those policies to make sure they're being implemented um the way the board uh had mine. Um the superintendent um you know is the uh it's like the uh the the the manager. He carries out the policies. You know he he does the day-to-day business. You know the the school board is more of a a big picture overview. Okay. And then the the the superintendent um takes care of all the the details, you know, by uh you know, based on those
013policies that the school board comes up with. >> Third question, Mr. Leonards, how can you contribute to a successful school board? Uh I think one of the things that I um that helped me was being prepared when when I came you know to a board meeting um you know reading all the material um and a lot of times there was there was a lot of attachments and a lot of material uh uh and and some of it I didn't understand so I would you know collaborate with my other board members especially if it had something to do with the uh department that I wasn't familiar with, I'd reach out to to some of the the people that had experience as teachers, superintendent, what have you. Um to get their thoughts and ideas um I tried
014to educate myself on things that I w that I wasn't familiar with. Um uh of course the number the number crunching is the part that I enjoyed the most. you know, I I wanted to make sure everything added up, looked right, you know, and made sense uh before I went to the board. Uh so, um I think, you know, good collaboration, good communication, uh listening, uh listening was one of the I I in my younger years, I used to talk too much, you know. Now, I kind of like sit back and I find out that I can learn a lot more by listening to other people. So um and I and like I said earlier I I had learned a lot uh on the education side of the house as a board member for those
015four years. Uh so um uh and my prior experience um I I like to you know think that that uh I had a guiding hand and uh a lot of issues that when I first came on the board um there was a lot of there was a lot of well I'm getting off to a different subject now but anyway um yeah I I think u being prepared is probably being prepared in communication and listening. Yeah, that's probably the biggest things. >> Okay, Mr. Boran, question number three. How can you contribute to a successful school board? >> Well, I think Mr. Leonard's uh hit the nail on the head when he talks about listening. Um I think it's real important that that we listen to one another and and that uh we listen to the community.
016Uh being prepared, as Mr. Leonard's talked about, is very important. Um it's uh probably the most busy and timeconuming volunteer job that anybody could ask for. Um so you definitely have to do your homework there and and make uh good decisions. Um I think another part of the of it is that you have to you have to be a good board member. um boardsmanship by that I mean understanding that as a board um you know it's it's it's bigger than one person maybe maybe as big as nine people but probably even bigger than nine and I say that just to say that you know the board it's not just about one person uh and what one person thinks it's about what the nine people on the board think and um you know how can they
017come to consensus and work together. So boardsmanship's an important um value of mine and that uh you know when a decision is made that's the decision of the board uh and we go for it and we move on. Um so I think those are the three things I I would say. >> Thank you. Mr. Boring, how do you respond to a complaint from the rep or Yeah, the republic, excuse me, the public. Well, again, listening, I would want to listen to what they have to say. Um, uh, beyond that, you know, I think that's something that, um, again, we hire superintendent to do and we, uh, I work with the superintendent on trying to understand what's going on, nature of the problem or whatever. But at the end of the day, um the the uh
018the board has a policy or a policy on whatever the complaint is and that's a policy that needs to be followed. Um there's a complaint process. There's a policy uh about complaints and how to handle those. So we need to follow that policy. Um but generally speaking in my experience has been that um once there's communication set up with the parent or the community member um we can resolve the problems. >> Okay, Mr. Leonards, how do you respond to a complaint from the public? >> Yeah, that that kind of depends on the complaint how I would address uh that issue. uh let's say it was a complaint from a uh a parent of a student in the in the school system. Uh I guess the first thing I would do is ask them if they
019had spoke with you know like their child's teacher. Okay. And um hopefully it would get resolved at that level. If not, then I would, you know, suggest that they go to the principal and hope if it does just keep going up the chain of command to see, you know, be to get the issue resolved. Um and um if and at the same time uh I would notify uh the superintendent to let them know so he's not blindsided by you know an issue that he's unaware of that somebody's you know you know complaining about something went to a board member. Um so I you know um I had that happen once where somebody would come to me and they came to me as a board member without talking to the teacher. It was a parent of
020a student and um you know so I I did notify the the superintendent at the time um about the issue and I gave him a heads up and then he took care of it. He went down to the you know did the chain of command thing. So >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Mr. Leonard's question number five. What opportunities do you see in the school district that will make us even better? What opportunities? Well, we're always looking for, you know, to to make things more efficient, more effective. Uh sometimes we have to um we have to either look for opportunities or make our own opportunities um uh to in the best interest of the students, you know, because that's why we all here. We're all here, you know, the the whether you're
021in finance, maintenance, teachers, superintendants, admin, we're all here. the common denominator is uh you know the student. So, um uh I I when I was on the board, uh the first one of the things that I did is I went out and talked to all the um uh principles of each building um to get an idea of, you know, what they what they needed, you know, what was their I think I asked for the three top needs actually. uh each elementary school, uh the middle schools, the high schools, uh talked to uh to to every one of the principles there and some of the teachers, by the way, uh to find out to get a feel for, you know, if there was something lacking, if they had some ideas, uh what they thought was needed.
022Um so, um yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Borian. What opportunities do you see in the school district that will make us even better? >> Well, first and foremost, I think we have a a high quality staff. Um, superintendent on down. I'm impressed with all the staff that we have and um the work that they do. So, I think that's our number one resources is our staff and how can we help them succeed in their job and their work and helping kids. I'd like to see our school district become have the highest PSSA scores of any district like ours. I think we're capable of doing that. It's going to take a commitment to staff development to make that happen and supporting our principles and the work that they do in the building. That's a you
023know very important um job that we need to be doing. Uh on the financial fiscal side I I see you know we're a growing community. this this area just you know every time you turn around there there's another development going up um and and the population is growing and I think businesses are coming here developers are coming here and and uh that's an opportunity for us uh to uh make sure that we're growing our tax base um that we're you know taking advantage of of development and what that brings to the to the school district in particular um you know we have uh so many people in our community that are committed to the school districts and their that success of the district. I think of the education foundation uh for one um good people
024working to supplement, you know, to do what they're doing to help the education of students. And I think we want to, you know, strengthen that bond and, you know, work to support the work of the foundation. Um, I was on that board for about I think it was two terms and uh that was about 10 years ago and since then it's just it's amazed me how much the education foundation is growing and the work that they're doing to support students and staff. So that's another opportunity that we need to not so much take advantage of, that's not the right word, but just support um and work with uh because there are a lot of alumni that are proud to be Trojans. I was not as Mr. Lennon was, but you know, I'm I have children
025that graduated from the school district. I be I've become proud to be I've become a a proud Trojan uh because of that. So, there are there there's a lot of community um support for the school district. We just need to continue to build on that. I think about the uh F uh Franklin County Area Development Corporation and other the businesses and their support of our school district just providing opportunities for our students to learn um with the new uh work that's I begin starting next year with um Mr. rocker spearheading that uh giving students um hands-on experience, you know, real life experience, not just the classroom experience, uh to pursue uh their education and pursue their uh career opportunity. So, yeah. Uh I I'll I'll just leave it at that. >> Okay. All right. Next
026question. Mr. Borian, how do you demonstrate support for a board decision that you were not in favor of? >> Well, like I said earlier, good boardsmanship um you know, you you're one member. Um uh don't take yourself too seriously. It's the act of the action of the board, the nine members that that matters. Um and you get behind it and you support it and you move on. >> Mr. Leonards, how do you demonstrate support for a board decision that you were not in favor of? >> Yeah, it does happen once in a while, doesn't it? >> Um uh I think Mr. Borland uh um said it as as well as I can. You know, you you you can't um you have to go along with it. Um, I I could say what you don't want
027to do is you don't want to do anything. If you disagree with it, you know, you got to you got to support it whether you agree with it or not. But the last thing you want to do uh is try to undermine, you know, that that decision. You know, that that can cause a lot of problems if somebody u you know uh works in that direction. But so um I I I think um you know um trying to to find some some points in the decision that that you can live with and and support it and move on from there. >> Okay. >> Next question. Mr. Leonard, what public school activities, events, or topics have you been involved in over the last three years? volunteerism or committees, anything along that line. >> Uh in the
028in the district, >> um >> can you repeat that again, please? >> I will repeat that. It says, "What public school activities, events, or topics have you been involved in over the last three years? Volunteerism, committees, anything along that line?" >> Uh can't think of anything. Uh I think uh I was trying to think I'm trying to think quick. One of the last year I was on this last three years I was on I filled a a region five uh spot um that became vacant suddenly but I don't know if it's been three years or not u since I was on the board. I'd have to go back and check you know because I don't remember when that was. Uh but other than that and uh attending uh uh the last couple um uh board
029meetings um does count does the going to basketball and football games count? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Borian, what public school activities, events, or topics have you been involved in over the last three years? Volunteerism, committees, anything along that line? in just the last three years. >> Whoa. Um, well, first of all, I've been a substitute. I've been working as a substitute teacher for the last three years, actually 10. Um, I've worked uh at Ben Chambers Elementary. I've been in u uh Andrew Buchanan, the high school, uh both middle schools. So in the last three years, I think I have a pretty good read on what's going on in the buildings and the nature of the students who I must say are 99% of them are amazing. Um, nobody's perfect, right? Uh, I've also
030um been able to um the last three years, boy, you're stretching me there a little bit. Uh, I mean, I have four grandchildren in the school, so you can imagine. I've been going to a lot of concerts and just at the high school a couple weeks ago for the the district-wide orchestra and band concerts that one of my grandchildren uh participate in. That was amazing. My one son's a grandson is a wrestler and uh been going to wrestling events, church activities I've been involved with. I go to St. Paul United Methodist and uh have been involved with the youth there somewhat. So that's pretty much it. >> Okay, next question. Mr. Borian, what is your perspective on how we should use technology across all grade levels and what are your thoughts about the recent policy
031change restricting restricting cell phone use by students in grades 9 through 12? >> Well, I think it's a great, you know, to answer the last question, I think it's a good decision. It's a wise decision. Um I think it needs to be you know reasonably um enforced. Uh as far as technology goes uh you know my my take on it is and this is coming from my experience as a substitute teacher. Um, I have I I have an issue with the amount of time that kids spend on, you know, in their in their um Google Chromebooks or on their Chromebooks or just online. They they spend a lot of time. Um, and I'd like to see more discussion, hands-on learning, more movement. Uh, personally, I understand why that happens and especially in in this day
032and age, but I would like to see, you know, more uh, you know, what we did when we were in school. Now, my my son will argue with me about it. you know, he just bought his 5-year-old an iPad. But, um, I think, you know, there's a lot to be said for learning how to listen and speak to your classmates and interact with your classmates and and and problem solve with your classmates. And, you know, it's too easy just to spend time in the classroom with with technology. Um, so not sure if that gets at what you're asking, but that's what comes off the top of my head. Okay, thank you. Okay, Mr. Leonards, what is your perspective on how we should use technology across all grade levels? And what are your thoughts about the
033recent policy change restricting cell phone use by students in grades 9 through 12? >> Well, this is probably outdated a little bit, but um we had um a thing called uh you would have to tailor it to the the grade level, okay? elementary, middle, high school. Okay. You the technology part of it. I think it would have to be tailored somewhat. Um uh I I remember we had a big push to when um to get u whiteboards, they were called whiteboards in the elementary school. There was a big technology um push then to get uh because not everybody had them. So we were trying to get so that everybody had them in the elementary school. Uh that's an example. Okay. Uh but the same same principle I think applies um and your technology as a
034learning experience or as an information to the parents kind of thing in the classroom I think >> in the classroom usage >> experience. Yeah. Okay. Well then yeah it would have to be tailored to the I think to the um grade level uh for the for the students. Uh technology is kind of like a two-edged sword. Uh, I think you have to have the right amount uh of technology. Um, it doesn't replace the teacher, you know, having a teacher in the room. I think um and as far as the cell phones go, I I think uh I don't know if the state I think the House passed the bill already and the Senate may have also. I I don't know where it stands right now if it's if the governor signed it yet or not,
035but I think uh the the cell phones um it's going to be a state law and and I I support that. Um uh we we we brought up cell phones uh when I was on a board, you know, that because it caused a lot of problems even caused um fights to break out in the high school cafeteria. You know, kids were texting each other, bullying each other and so on and stuff. and uh it's a distraction. So, I'm I'm glad uh something is uh finally being done about it. >> All right, last official question. >> Good. >> Before you answer, I'm going to hitchhike on it, but you go first, Mrs. St. >> All right. Is there anything you wish to add or ask us or a question we haven't asked you that you would
036like to address? >> Yeah. What's my starting salary if I get selected? double what you made last time. >> 10% is zero. So the other part instead of doing an introduction from the candidates, you use this as your closing remarks. Anything anything else you would like to be also be your closing remarks. Anything else that you want to >> Okay. Um Okay. Um I I I did have a couple accomplishments that I wanted to share when I was on the board the last time. Uh, and I wrote them down here so I wouldn't forget because when I go back and sit down, I'll think of 100 things I wish I would have said and probably 200 things I wish I wouldn't have said. Um, so um, and when I say accomplishments, I don't mean, you
037know, me personally because, you know, it it was a board effort. I was one of nine people. Uh but so but I I I highlighted these because I think I like to think anyway that I had a guiding hand in uh getting these uh passed by the board. Um one of them going back a ways but Mr. Norcross, you may remember this. When I first came on the board, there was a huge uh backlog of legal issues and um we resolved that problem and we were spending a lot of taxpayer money on getting these legal issues resolved. Some of them were uh old. Some of them been sitting around for um a a couple years and um so that we um didn't renew the contract of the old solicitor, got a new solicitor and you
038know they were cleaned up in probably less than a year and saving a lot of uh taxpayer money. Um uh I served as the chair of the finance committee. We had a finance committee at the time. Um uh and when I came on board, we had um let's just say the the budget wasn't in a good place. Our uh cash reserve was low. Uh that was based on some of the decisions that the board made at that time. Uh that drew down our cash balance to a dangerously low level. Uh so we implemented a uh uh budget moratorum until we got the budget back in um where it should be. Uh and then we you know went back to normal operate I say normal operations you know where we didn't have a moratorum on any
039new spending um the um uh the 1% u uh addition bump up to the capital fund um I think you and I were instrumental in in uh uh accomplishing that uh getting the board to agree with that um and uh the special ed one of the things that I noticed um the uh special ed uh budget um was was flatlined for year after year after year. It it didn't budge. Um and and but the program uh was growing uh by the number of students that were in that program. But um this the funding that we got from the state uh was static. And so um that we had the uh the department head uh get in contact with the uh state our representatives senate congressman that that came in. um they didn't come in they
040sent I think they sent there but anyway but that we had representatives there uh for from our district and we showed them I remember showing them the graphs you know of how you know the number of students that we had in the program and and and the level of funding that we continued to get from the state and you know hoping that they would take that back and we would get you know a bump up in in funding for special ed uh I don't know uh uh if it happened after I left the board, but I know you know it wasn't uh you know and we met with them twice on two separate occasions. We met with them and uh uh and trying to get additional funding, but uh I I don't think it was
041um I don't think it came to fruition. So, but those are those are some of the things I like to um you know um bring to the board uh my expertise uh in that uh analytical field and the budget field and so >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Borian. Um is there anything you'd wish to add or ask us or a question we haven't asked you that you would like to address? Well, first of all, I just want to tell you um President Norcross and members of the board and Superintendent Dr. Bigler, uh Dr. Bigger, excuse me. Um appreciate the opportunity to be interviewed. Um I'd enjoy working on the board. Um as far as accomplishments, anything I'd like you to know? Um you know, for 33 year, for 25 of the
04233 years, I worked as the director of special education student services. And um I'm I'm pretty proud of uh what we accomplished in in Shippensburg. Um one of the things that I was able to do year in and year out was to uh apply for contingency fund money from the state uh to support special education. And I mean through those 25 years, I'm sure I brought in several million dollars uh to the school district. So, I I understand, you know, how our special education administrators can um help us in that regard because special education is costly. I understand that. Um but I'm proud of the accomplishments I I had as a supervisor of special ed. Um and I am also proud of the fact that I earned a doctorate in education, educational leadership. Um, I
043learned a lot in that experience in my dissertation work and I'd like to be able to bring that to the board. I understand that uh, Miss Harbaugh was uh, on the LIU and the um, Franklin Learning Center committees. I'm not sure if that's going to continue in the position whoever fills the vacant position, but uh I was responsible for the budgets for both the both the LIU and and the Franklin Learning Center and I understand you know what they're all about. So I'm you know I want you to know that about me if that continues. Um, but you know, the most important thing to me is I have four grandchildren in the school district and you know, I'm here to make a difference for them. Uh, I want to just close with mentioning this. I
044was going to the Chambersburg Apothecary the other day and I was stuck at the light there. Happened to look at the facade of the central building. I don't know if you've done that. on the side of the building etched in the stone is a saying that says uh learn to live and live to learn. Learn to live and live to learn right in our central uh school building. And that just really struck me about the fact that that's that's what we're here to help our children, you know, our grandchildren uh learn to live and live to learn um and be successful in life. So, I I just uh you know have that passion for public education for all students. Um and uh thank you for the opportunity to speak with you tonight. Good luck in
045your decision. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Borian. Thank you, Mr. Leonards. Um we're going to continue on with our meeting. Well, you don't have to sit at those tables if you don't want because we're going to go to uh members of the uh audience for committee, you know, any comments. You're welcome to stay there or sit and then uh we will again we'll come back at our seven once we finish this meeting. One more topic. Then we'll come back at our 7:00 meeting and we'll start with nominations and a vote. So, thank you both. >> Thank you. Item 3.01 is members of the audience are invited to comment on agenda items. We'll start with those who signed in. First, Mrs. Jordan. Mr. Leonard's brought up the fact that a lot of litigation happened uh years
046ago and he's actually correct. I looked at bill list um and I remember or recall recently Superintendent Bigger saying that uh the reason why we're not in litigation anymore is because he worked hard at not getting us into litigation. And uh the bill list proves that uh Mr. Leonard's mentioned something about he went to principles when he first went on the school board. I'm not sure that's proper for a board member to do. Now, here's my statement tonight. You decide who will replace Miss Stephanie Harbaugh. Make your decision based on best practices for all of us CASD taxpayers in this room and sitting at home. I mean this for all of you too. Back on June 6, 2023, Mr. Bill Leonard's motion to authorize a 4% tax increase second by Mr. Ed Norcross. Current board
047members voting yes at that time included both men plus FA Goggler and Sher Diller. The current board members voting no at that time included both Ben Rabber and Carl McKe. The deficit spending approved at that time was $2.2 million. Also, back in 2023, the CAS school board met in committees, too. I came to those committee meetings. I watched and observed. I wasn't always happy at what I witnessed and observed during several of those committee meetings. I was particularly disheartened to see Tammy Staer looking tired all the time when finances were being discussed at finance committee meetings. The expert in crafting the school budget CFO Tammy Staer had to take a backseat and watch as noviceses thought they were smarter than she was when it came to finances. They were not smarter than she was. We
048are also here tonight because Ed Norcross showed a side of him that goes against school board ethics and if the law allows him to recuse himself from approving a new member of this CASD school board, he should do that. It's in the best interest of everyone if he does. We are also here tonight because what I stated above is why Chris Bigger is a superintendent now. Thank you. Any other members of the audience wish to comment on agenda items hearing? None. Meeting is adjourned.