February 24, 2026 School Board Meeting

001meeting to order. Tuesday, February 24th, 2026. Our regular meeting for Chsburg area school district board of directors. Am I just not close enough? Sorry about that. >> Uh if you would please rise and join me for pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silence. Pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Um, back up to number one. Uh, the board did not meet this evening in executive session. Um, so there's a little bit of a vacation, early dismissal, [laughter] >> delayed start for the board members since it was a late one two weeks ago, I guess. But so there was no executive session um prior to this evening's meeting or

002since our last meeting two weeks ago. Uh item three, uh board announcements. Uh oh. Whoa. 2.0 through3. A motion and second to approve uh and adopt the agenda for this evening's meeting. Please >> move to approve. >> Second. Motion by Mrs. Goggler, second by Mr. McKe. Questions, discussions, amendments? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I >> eyes haven't so moved. Thank you, Mrs. Gaus. You just reminded me um Mrs. Gaus is on um remotely with us this evening. So, I will try to pause because I know there is a delay. Uh item 3.01, president's report. Um tonight's uh main event, if you will, is uh be Mr. John Fry. There item 4.01 1 for financing uh scenarios. As Chris and I were just chatting uh earlier here before the

003meeting, uh Ed Norcross's personal opinion, this is step one of three in this uh in the financing side of the schools of distinction by 2030. Uh part one would be Mr. Fry's presentation this evening. Uh part two is going to be Mrs. Stalers and the board and the administration's uh presentation in two weeks. And I think part three is when we all sit down and have uh a very candid open conversation after we've received data tonight and data from two weeks. But with that said, it would be great for you to just, you know, just blast Mr. Fry with any question or thought that you may have just thinking about where we're going to go. Um, he can handle it. Trust me. [laughter] Uh, my last point on that is, you know, I've I've often

004I've been made a point to always mention schools of distinction in darn near every meeting, and I don't think I've missed it. Uh, I might have missed it once here for another reason, but it's always fun and exciting and great when we get to talk about new fancy things, right? For those of us who are a little bit more experienced and it's like looking at the Sears and Robuck calendar for your Christmas list 40, 50 years ago. Okay, for those you don't know, right, Sears and Robuck was really the first Amazon. They just didn't know it. But and it's great when we're talking about new buildings and we see great drawings and beautiful pictures and that is exciting. But to me the most important part is not just these projects and what the bricks and

005mortar component is our responsibility to fund them which means the community's responsibility to fund them also. So it is you can't have one without the other. It's a little easier and better and a lot more enjoyable to talk about new buildings and color schemes and carpets and you know multi-purpose rooms, but it's not quite as uh fun to talk about the financing side, but it's just as important. So, we'll start at least one of three here this evening. >> Yep. >> Mr. Bigger. >> Yep. Thank you, Mr. Nos. I don't have >> I do have one other I'm sorry, I forgot it. I'm glad to see Mr. McKe with us here this evening. I wasn't here, but I presume he walked in on his own power. So, it's great to see you, my friend. [laughter]

006>> Um, I don't have a formal report other than setting up uh Mr. Fry's presentation. We had to make some assumptions uh for the presentation tonight. So, anything that he says about not building a school or doing this is purely for uh financial uh considerations. We're not making those decisions here. It was a large borrow, how much can we afford to borrow, and it was a small borrow and a one in between. So, when you hear something about not building a school, that was not an intention or a strategic decision being made. It was strictly for uh financial analysis. Okay? Just want to say that a couple times because I don't want somebody to think we're not building one or not trying to build one. >> That is meeting three that I referenced. That is

007part three of three. >> And that concludes my report before John gets up there. >> Okay. Item 4.01. Floor is yours, Mr. Fry. Great. Uh thanks everybody. Was a nice introduction. Uh [laughter] uh but yeah, this is a lot of work with uh with between uh my office and the administration and again we'll be discussing just options tonight. Uh just an update as we've continued the the discussions over the last couple years. Um so but please ask me any questions regarding this. um you the the presentation that you have before you um it's just a summary of the numbers that we put together. If I can go to the next slide, >> excuse me. >> Great. Uh just quick update on the municipal bond market. uh as we've shown you in the past, this is

008just an index uh just to try to show you the relative uh movements in the municipal bond market and it has been uh nice and stable over the last several months. Uh you'll recall we did a borrowing and um uh the end of last year for about six or seven million uh to continue to fund the projects and pay for some of the uh design work and so forth. So since that time, municipal bond rates have continued to trend lower uh and nice and stable. So it's it remains an attractive time to borrow. Um if you look at the top of the page, it is kind of interesting is this the shape of the yield curve. Um the red line is the historical average of the yield curve and the blue line is what it

009is today. And you can see short-term rates from like kind of like the one to 15year rates are actually lower as the Fed continues to lower short-term rates. It's really impacting the short end of the curve. Um, and why I bring that up is that on the next page, uh, you know, we show this just as a point of reference. This is all the debt service of the district, uh, with all the different bond issues that are outstanding and they add up to about $12 million in the far top right corner in the blue. About $12 million of total debt service um, payments to the bond holders. Uh but I bring up the shape of the yield curve because as I've mentioned several times in the last year or two, you have a lot of

010outstanding debt uh on the kind of last or on the left hand side of the page that is short in nature, meaning there's only 10 10 or 15 years left on it and a lot of it is able to be refinanced. So, uh, we anticipate that whenever the district borrows, likely at the obviously it's your direction, but at the end of, uh, you know, this fall, uh, we would also, while you're doing the new money, refinance what is eligible to be refinanced that produces the most savings. So, we can probably save a significant amount of money by doing those refinances of uh, some of the bonds and picking and choosing different parts of the bonds to refinance. So, more of that to come as you refine your project timing and the financing timeline. We'll refine

011the numbers. Uh, but we do expect to be able to refinance and save save money from going from higher interest rates to lower interest rates on a portion of the district's debt. So, on the next page, just a quick outline. Um, again, you know, as as your municipal adviser on the financing side, um, trying to stay away from, you know, decisions about the projects, we're just kind of shooting for what is to try to give you the magnitude of the the numbers, you know, the the total in the middle of the of the page of the three projects that we were given to work with as far as the draw schedules. And when I say draw schedules, it's taking the architect's monthly estimates for when you need money. um and and then trying to come

012up with a financing plan that funds those draws. So we were working with the just estimates of the from Crabtree the two buildings 139 million for the inter intermediate school about 37 million for Green Village and about 117 million for Cam South adding up to 293 million. Again I know there's ranges but just to try to give a ballpark. So that was the total uh total amount needed. Uh again the first step of the plan was to borrow what we could at the end of last year. In bullet three there, we borrow about 6.7 million as the first step of that capital plan. And now based on the those draw schedules that we got from the architect, and they can be, I'm sure, refined and and and modified. But as of now, it would mean

013a significant borrowing at the end of this year, this calendar year to start to really uh fund, you know, as you run out of money from the design stage and get ready for uh construction next year. uh it would be a a significant borrowing uh later this year. Uh so again, as Mr. Bigger uh addressed when we were on the phone over the last couple weeks, we're just trying to come up with some uh three options or scenarios, if you will, uh that again are, you know, just estimates and to try to give you a magnitude, but certainly there are variations of these options as well. But option one would be to finance all three of those projects as I described all and finance those all through the bond issues. Uh so that's option one.

014And then option two and three both for this purpose are making a smaller financing package by reducing the size of the projects in this case by the amount of the no the green village project. So options two and three are reducing the borrowings by the amount of the green village project. So that's option two is opt is no green village 37 million at this time. And then option three is that same is the same as option two, but now using an additional $25.3 million of district cash in order to help reduce the financing package and and using cash to uh reduce the last step of the borrowing plan. So I'll show you those in the next couple pages. And again, the last point again, just to keep on your radar, and you'll hear me say

015it again, is there will be when we come with the big uh new money uh borrowing, there will also be a refinancing component as well. So, the next the next three pages are uh the summaries of those options. Um they're all set up in the exact same manner. So, hopefully if we review the first option, you you'll get kind of the method of the madness on how we have the the there's a lot of numbers on this page. I'm I'm I'm aware of that US, but uh hopefully it it kind of starts to make some sense. Um the diff the column in the far left, the black is the existing debt service and then the blue is step one. So, we did lock in step one in the blue. Those payments are already in place

016and are part of your bond debt service I already showed you on that previous page. And then the next couple steps, step two, three, four, and five on this page, those are all just estimates using approximate current interest rates plus a contingency. U but just to start to show what those bond issues would look like basically in the in 2026, 27, 28, and 29. Uh in this case, this is option one. They would add up to provide proceeds of about 277 million, which what again what we do is we take the amount that you already have on your balance plus some interest earnings, some money that you've already spent, and we come up with how much additional financing you would need. So right now, we're uh estimating about 277 million would be needed in in

017in net proceeds. So this would fund all three projects. We've run all these at 25-year level payment structure. So, basically, just like having a 25-year mortgage where all the payments are roughly the same, when you're doing bonds, there's a you have to have it in $5,000 increments. And so, it's not exactly equal every year, um, but but very close. Uh, they those three um or those four different steps add up to um column 14. So, that's the a very important column. Those are the payments, the principal and interest that would be due from the district to the bond holders after all this is set in stone and we lock everything in. Uh we're estimating column 14. If we would issue this amount, would it go from you know about 11.6 million of debt service payments

018um um roughly 12 million now that you issued uh the step one, but eventually would need to get to about 31.8 8 million if we structured it this way and had this set up. I will point out that while we show here that there's these steps, there are a lot of variations in timing. Uh we could do smaller amount this year and more next year and that can be adjusted as we go along. So there certainly there's by no means am I thinking that this is how it's going to go. uh it could go like faster, slower, uh different sizes of of borrowings, but eventually if if the board chose to issue to to finance these projects like this, eventually we're just trying to show you the estimate of how how fast it might get

019to 31 $32 million. Um and then we put in column 15 is they we took your current total expenditures grew it by about 3% a year and this this is just to give you a magnitude of what is your debt service payment as a percentage of operating budget. Okay. So some some uh districts use that as a metric for the higher that goes the more you're paying out of your total expenditures for debt service. uh which makes it you know more challenging for operational um expenditures. So that's just a metric uh just forformational purposes. And then the next four columns on the far right uh are just to try to show some equivalencies of when we look at the payments to the bond holders, what are the what is the ability for the district to

020make those payments and get is there a way to um uh smooth in some of those impacts? And as we talked about um in the over the last year, column 18 is really really important for for Chambersburg School District because you've done a really nice job over the last couple years in preparing for this and starting to budget for a higher debt service payments than you're actually paying out right now to bond holders. So in this uh current year you had budgeted $19.1 million there in column 18 and that is more than is needed to pay the bond holders but you did that uh with you know good prudence that you knew that eventually you're going to have to keep uh building up and budget for higher debt service amounts. Uh so after talking with

021Mrs. Staler for fiscal year uh for next year's budget if another $2 million could be put into that to go from 19.1 million to $21.1 million. Um and to continue to fund it like that. It provides a surplus now, but you will need that surplus in other years where the debt service starts to really ramp up so that you're able to uh fund it with the cash that you're building up now. So in this instance in column 18 and actually every option that you'll see in the next two pages, we have assumed for this purpose or the preliminary purposes tonight of trying to fund $2 million of additional debt service each year for the next several years. And the difference in the options is that this is the one that has the most impact and

022takes the longest. There's more years that you need to keep doing the two million, two million, two million. the other options when you start to do less projects or use cash then you have less years that you need to go up two million. Uh but that is a main uh component of each of these plans is to continue funding more than you need now. But you can see eventually uh for instance in column in 2030 you're at 27.1 million in that column for budgeted debt service. But in this scenario, you would owe bond holders $31.1 million over there in COM 14. So you'd be short by about $4 million for that year, but you'd be pulling from the additional cash that you've uh continued to accumulate over the previous years. Um, so that's why it's

023helps. This is a way to smooth in that impact because of act one and not trying to have huge spikes in tax increases. While the bond debt service goes up significantly, you're able to step it in as long as you phase it in prior to actually needing it. But in either case uh or in all cases, you'll see that there's that increase eventually going up to the in about 2032 is when uh it would be fully funded. Uh so I'll stop there uh because I know I just threw a lot at you, but um because the next two pages will be very similar description, but just less of an impact because you're borrowing less. But any questions on the mechanics or um the different columns and so forth? >> You mentioned the refinancing. How high

024are the interest rates of those bonds that we can potentially refinance? When I was doing some research, I saw some like 10% interest way back. Maybe those bonds are finished, but I mean I I was looking from many years ago. >> Yeah. No, your bond interest rates are 4% or less. >> Okay. >> And those So we'd be going trying to go from 4% to 3% as a as an example. >> Yeah. Now, they're all at attractive rates, but because time has gone on and we're going down the yield curve, we're able we are able to get those lower than what they're at today. Not all of them. Some some of your bonds have 2% and we'll probably never be able to refinance because you did it during uh the COVID years of ultra low

025rates and they'll never be able to refinance because they're so low. >> These were in the early 2000s that I saw some of those really. >> Okay. >> John, is there an average about um on the expenses um the percent of debt service expenses around the state? is what does the average school district carry in percent debt service to revenues or to expenses? >> It does range. I mean, I know I do these columns for a lot of districts and they like to try to stay around 10%. Yeah. >> But it's interesting as you as you all know it kind of es and flows. You're enjoying a really low period of time right now because your buildings have all been in good shape and you've able to keep your debt service super low and that

026and but eventually the strain comes when you have big building projects and it might peak for a couple years >> and you know your neighbors might you neighboring school districts might be lower than you and you might be higher but eventually usually the stress points hit different school districts at different times but a lot of times 10% is like a a ballpark that people try to pay attention to Thank you. Yep. >> So along those lines, what is our cap maximum bond capacity that we could be at? >> It's uh well the state just goes by uh debt capacity >> just principal amount. >> Yeah. uh based on your budget and I think right now it was 275 million but every year it's going to grow because your budget grows and your principal goes down.

027So you do have enough capacity to do this. >> So right now today our capac capacity is 275 million. >> It might that was like as of six months ago but so >> and without well that's 275 additional >> right >> 275 additional. Yes. So this 277 in this scenario basically bumps us to the limit. >> I would say by the time we actually are borrowing in 2029, your capacity will again continue to grow because you're paying down millions and millions every year. >> That's my next question. I mean it's going to come down $11 million. Well, no, it doesn't come down 11 million because some of that's interest. But right, it comes down as you pay off some pay down some of the sold, >> right? And every year that your budget increases, you

028get a multiplier of 2.25% of that. So it's it's it's probably at least 10 it might improve by 10 million a year. Uh if you never borrowed it would increase by you know so it's and we can run we can forecast that out for you but you know you >> I think my my my um my point is that you know yes it does change. So in 3 years from now, you know, if we needed to do something more, that's how we could, you know, but right now, you know, this 275 280 would would be our max. Of course, it does spread out over five years. So >> right >> in in your option one is this $25.3 million in district cash also being used there? >> No. >> So is there an option to

029do all three projects and use that cash >> as well? >> We didn't show that. The option three would be uh reducing this by Yeah. Let me I can get to that if you don't mind. I can step through the next two options. But it's a that's a great question because I think the answer is if at a point in time you decided to that your things have gone well and that you're the the project is uh going uh going well, you've you funded it nicely and you have cash reserves. You could decide in step five here to reduce that orange column which is right now doing you know about $30 million. you could fund, you know, instead of borrowing $30 million, you could say, "Let's only borrow 10 million and use 20 million of

030cash." And that that last step would then just be greatly reduced. We always recommend using cash towards the end of a project because each time you do this, um, you're going to have to go get a credit rating. And so, it's always helpful to show the credit rating agency that, you know, you're you still have cash because cash gives you that liquidity, that flexibility. Um, but certainly you can make those decisions as time goes on and decide we we're doing well, we have cash, the project's almost done, why don't we use the cash instead of borrowing as much. So that's where it would usually get reduced is at the end. And that's what that's basically what we did in option three um that you'll see in two pages, but we also reduced the borrowing by

031the Green Village project as well. >> Uh, yeah, I [clears throat] have a question really. It's on your one of your charts, but I guess it's a question I'm posing to the board in general is having been to Green Village and seeing the conditions that people have to work in and kids have to learn in. I'm thinking is no Green Village even an option >> again and that's that's a down through the numbers if that's irrelevant? >> That's a great question. But again, that is part three of this discussion. But again, you know, I'm gonna have some questions that are also going to go to part two and three. So, it's fine. >> But, >> and as Chris said in his report, don't get hung up with, you know, languages on scenario. Like for instance,

032my questions to Mr. Fry are going to all focus on option one. And when I get to that point, I'm going to let him go through option one, two, and three is my thought. I want to come back and I want to drill in on columns. Chris knows this. 14 over or 16, 17, 16, and 17 are the columns I I want to drill down into with more for sharing my thoughts with the board. But, you know, these are just options. Think about it in dollars and you can get to that dollar, right? Option one's 277, option two is 242, option three is 216 million. Think about it in total dollars, >> not which projects you do or when you use cash or how much cash you use. >> Just before you move on to

033the other options, I noticed in your little subnotes there, it says assume no state reimbursement. So there is none of the money we get from the state, no adequacy gap funding, none of that is figured into your projections. >> No, that's that's a great question. So we we put that down um just to make sure no one re everyone realizes there's no plan con reimbursement anymore. Plan con was reimbursement on debt service. >> Gotcha. >> Uh no this does not we're not trying to say anything else about your state >> and I just wanted that for clarification. I thought that was the case but just in case because when it goes with state reimbursement sometimes you know it's better to be clarify for me and maybe the rest of the board that this is not

034related to adequacy gap or anything like that. That's a whole separate issue. >> I think that question John, could you explain plan con a little bit and what percents were given? Because >> Dr. Dr. Diller and myself are probably the only board members who really understand plan. >> And the reason I brought that up is we have a resolution tonight to support adequacy funding for the board to pass. But you know, you look in state history, plan con was significant for schools. So could you give an estimate of what we possibly would have been reimbured >> over the length of the projects if we were getting plan con? Yeah, there's a moratorium on plan con now that it's not funded by the state anymore, but for each new money project that schools used to to

035uh have for capital projects. Each school district would get a a percentage based on their wealth and so forth of those bond payments. So you would make the bond bond payments to the debt to the bond holders, but then you would submit a form to PTE and they would send money back to the school district a percentage say 10 cents on the dollar that they would reimburse the district. >> Okay. >> And so it was a a great very significant >> very significant and that's how the state funded capital projects for school districts around the state. >> U but that's come to an end. So, it's our footnote is almost getting kind of stale because we used to put it in there because it was kind of new news, but now it's it's so old.

036Um, >> yeah. >> A project of this size, we could have received >> 40 or $50 million in reimbursement. >> Yeah. It's And then for the life, so it' be each every six months when you make a bond holder payment >> for the next 25 years, >> you'd get and so you are still getting reimbursement on some of your old bond issues. Okay. >> So on that >> because it t it takes a while for that plan con money to show up, doesn't it, Mrs. Stalin? [laughter] >> Sometimes it does. Yes. >> So I know you can't see it, but like so the bond all the there's a um at the bottom of the page we list what a what's called a PE percentage and a um aid ratio percentage. So, for [snorts] instance, your

0372018 bonds, you know, was getting, you know, a significant amount of reimbursement, uh, several hundred,000 a year. I think in total, Mrs. Stafford, you get about a what, a million2 in plan reimbursement. >> Does that sound right, Mel? >> Yeah. Say, so for instance, you make $12 million of payments to bond hold orders but get a million2 back from the state each year and that's just reimbursing you from all those old bond issues. But unfortunately, they don't they don't do that anymore. >> So that's a great question and that's that's that footnote is really, >> you know, I'm a I'm a bond guy, so it's just bond bond stuff. You're not getting reimbursement. >> Thank you for that clarification. >> That's a good question. So, let's just move to option two quick and I think

038it was um a a great point while you know it says you know the nomenclature says assumes no green village project at this time you could also just equate it is we're reducing the size of the borrowings because that's really again as a bond I just reduced how much money we're borrowing for so you could view this as we're using cash along the way to pay for for to pay for projects. [snorts] So what we did here is it's the same, you know, same amount of steps just reduced. Uh so instead of borrowing to get 277 million, we'd borrow to get 242 million. So reducing it by uh that amount. >> One more quick. >> Yeah, >> you're at the 277. >> There you go. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Sorry about that. Um so

039you know, we're basically borrowing the third, you know, $30 million less. So, your impact is less. Uh there's probably um we're still assuming though in column 18 that you need to go up $2 million a year in order to make sure we have enough funding, but you're able to cut that cut that down as at the at the outy years. You don't have to do that as many times because now your total debt service is only about $29 million instead of $32 million. Okay. Uh but again important to keep keep the project debt service funding uh going as um as scheduled. Um and then the last option is the same exact literally I took uh there's a lot of numbers as you can imagine behind the scenes in all this but the um all you'll

040see here is the the orange basically just gets removed. So, back in my in the behind the scenes numbers, I deleted uh or I put in cash instead of um bonds to fund that last borrowing or the last amount needed. And so, the orange now disappears. Those payments go away and you know, your your total debt service only goes to about $27.3 million. But obviously, you've now used $25 million of district cash to make that happen. Um, but again, now you're really cutting out how many years it takes to get the $2 million increases each year, but it still takes several years to of $2 million increases in all these different options. So, I think that was that was all my formal presentation. Um, again, there's lots of different variations to this and will be

041refined. Different decisions can be made along the way, but again, just trying to kind of keep moving the ball forward. Um, and hopefully provide some information that's helpful for you. >> Other questions for Mr. Fry? [snorts] >> A mill brings in exactly how much? >> 800,000. And if you look on the bottom right basically and 1% is 1.35 >> mills35 is there a 1% is about it equates about a million dollars. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because one Yeah. One our millage rate is 135 30 something. >> That's right. Yeah. It's 136 point. It's down there. It's right there. >> 1% is 1.36 mills million dollars. [snorts] Um, yes. Other questions. >> So, if we would pay, I'm just doing scenarios. Scenario one, say step five, we pay the 30 million,

042then that would look a lot more like the 242 total, the option two as far as what's out in the in that 16, 17, 18. >> Yes. >> Because they're comparable within $5 million. So, give or take. >> Yes. Okay. I think that one thing and this where I was going to say if you look at column 17 in the options that that kind of tells what Mrs. Harbaugh just said. I mean look at look at the percentages in the out years. >> You know on option two well that's on option one it's a seven-year increase just for debt service. You're increasing you know between 1.84 and 65 over seven years. When you get to option two, you've only done that increase over six years and they're pretty much the same. >> Five years, >>

043right? >> And then option three is five years. >> So I I said um and again we started down that road. column 16 and 17 are the ones I really focus on and um you've heard me mention before about uh Mr. Fry's presentation from April of 2025. Um and I really like that chart, but it's the same information. Mr. Bigger had to show it to me. I got I got spun up that the chart wasn't in there, but it's the same information. It's just on a different page. >> I was trying I was trying to get all on one page. >> Yeah, you got it there. So, thank [laughter] you. I app I was going to be pretty mad if it wasn't. >> I I I was thinking about you, Mr. Norcross. [laughter] >> Thank

044you. But uh column 16 and that again I'm just looking at option one because again in the first couple years whether it's option one, two, or three, column 16 stays the same. That 9.436 new mills for debt service April a year ago, right? That was 5.58. And so I asked Mr. Bigger, how did it go? How did And we How did we find more money in 9 months to get from 5.58 new mills to 9.436 new mills? And he convinced me on this one, but the the the hard one will be my next question to say this more for the board. um that that is our previous three years of 1%. Okay, as we as we just talked about before, 1% is roughly 1.33. Take 1.33 * 3, that's four. That's how you get from

0455.5 to 9.4. Okay. So he c he he he answered my question on that one. But my question is and this might not be for tonight Mrs. Staler and I don't think John these are inputs that we gave you. You didn't use these numbers. We gave you this column 16 correct that start. >> Well ju yeah I did want to clarify. So what what happens on because it kind of goes back and forth about which ones are inputs and which ones are the result of formulas. So really for column 16 the 9.436 436 that you're talking about there is really the result of just doing math where the input is in column 18 where Mrs. Stalford tells me that we budgeted 19.13 for debt service. So column 16 ends up just being math of >>

046taking that divided by the value of a mill. Okay. Then after that then I go to Mrs. Staler says, "Let's do 2 million a year." And then again, I'm just putting in the 2.516 equates to $2 million a year given the same value of a mill. >> Mhm. So those columns are really just um uh equivalents of ch trying to get dollars into uh millage equivalents and to show that there's a way to help smooth that in. Because otherwise if you just said we're just going to budget whatever bond holders need paid, you'd have wild spikes in debt service >> and wild spikes in taxes. So these numbers are really just to try to take dollars and make them equivalent because I know it's it's helpful to see then in millillage equivalency and then I

047just take again just the math of what is that millage increase compared to your current millage rate and then that becomes column 17 which is a percent increase which again is it's not I'm not trying to direct what I think your tax increase should be or shouldn't be it's just trying to make it equivalent so you can have a you know thing place in your head of uh so you don't have to do the math in your head >> right so my my question to is again I I get how we went from 55 to 9.46 46 or if we're looking at column 18, whatever that a dollar equivalent is, roughly five million. But where did the 5.5 originally come from? April of last year. Do we know that? >> Right. And I understand. And

048that might be for meeting two or three. I I I think it's just I think instead of 19.1 at some point >> when we were here the the we were just contemplating a lower debt service number and the value of a mill probably did go up a little bit. >> I think so was some of that. >> Yeah. >> Again we started at 5.5. Now we went to 9.4. 9.4 is three years at 1%. I'm just I'm having a hard time figuring out where the 5.5 came from. >> I I would we would >> that it's reoccurring money. It's not just it shows here as one year, but that's the same 5.5 for the next 25 years also. >> Well, >> not an increase, but original. It's a growth. Again, on top of that, >>

049yeah, I would focus more on how did we get 19.1 over in column 18. And at some point, that number must >> 200 million. It was a 200 million borrow back. the the numbers from April 8th to 2025 was 200 million not 277 million. >> Mhm. >> But again the basis was so then I guess I'll ask the question and for a future answer >> how do we come up with 9.436. I'm buying four of it. I get to four. I just don't get the first five and a half. >> Can can I answer that? >> Absolutely. If you know it great. [laughter] Yeah. I mean, I think I can add a little clarity. I don't know if I can give give it all to you. So, to to Mr. Fry's point, um, we were

050able to budget in the current year's budget, the 2526 budget, the 1913. Um, in April, we probably didn't have that high of a number. If you recall last month, I believe it was, we did a transfer from the general fund to the debt service fund to the tune of about 7.5 million. So, we budgeted what the anticipated debt service was for this current year plus an additional 7.5 million knowing that we needed to super fund the debt service to build us up to hopefully getting to this ballpark. I'd have to pull out from April what the numbers were that we were looking at, but I think that the the point that Mr. Fry is trying to make is he's backing into that debt service or the mills number from the amount that we put into

051the budget. Correct, Mr. Fry? Yeah, that at that April meeting I was we were given that the debt service, you know, again, it was during budget season, so you didn't know exactly what you're going to budget, but it was $17 million and now it's it turned out to be $19.1 million. >> Yeah. April April of 2025 presentation, it was 11.7 million >> or no, >> that's the the current >> I'm on the wrong slide. Hold on. It's slide five from before. >> Yeah, it was 17 million. your record where I am. >> So, but but here's here's my question. That $7 million >> again, we did that last year into this year. Are we going to where are we getting $7 million >> as a line item? The >> line item in the next 25

052years. >> Well, the 7 million for this year, the majority of that is coming from the adequacy funding. If you if you recall the first year, this is our third year of adequacy funding. The first year we received about five million in ad adequacy but a total of around 8 million additional funding from the state. We did not put that in the budget because you know we never get more money from the state is where we were. So we did not put that in the budget. We had surpluses. Um going into the second year we did not put it in the budget. Again you know for a business manager that's been around for 20 years this is unheard of what we're getting from the state. this current year's budget, we put the five million in

053and we're getting it in 2526. So, the bulk of that seven and a half is coming from that $5 million of adequacy funding. And then in future years now that we've come to ade adequacy and that's in future years right we're looking for 2 and a.5 million of adequacy which is that column 16 or the difference in column 18 in years 2 through five or 2 through 7 in this example. >> Correct. we would need at least what we did is we we're stepping up the debt service in the general fund by $2 million a year. So we would need at least an additional $2 million a year of adequacy funding from the state in order to not have to look at any kind of millage increase for debt service if that makes sense. >>

054This is our second year. >> This is our third year. >> Third year, >> right? >> Okay. >> Third. >> First year we spent it on other things. Correct. Uh the first year there were um we added staff. Uh I'm looking at Mr. Bigger. We added a lot of staff. We added um >> three million. Yeah. >> Some resources. Yeah. >> And we don't anticipate we didn't use any of the other adequacy money. We just we just bankrolled that money. >> I would say for the most part, yes. I mean, when we're when we're going down through and we're coming to the end of the fiscal year, when we do the audit, we're looking at revenue over expenditures, basically, and then what's what's the surplus, but going into the 25 26-year budget, the governor said

055he was going to give us another 5 million. We put that in the budget initially, right off the bat, which is something that we don't normally do. So, the bulk of that 7.5 additional debt service was able to come from that um the adequacy money. So the $11 million again going back to the April of 2025 is $5 million in two years of adequacy. >> You could look at it that way. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. The other part that um and again it was 200 million versus 277 million total borrowing. When you go back to that April of 2025, you know, it was a fiveyear increase. I'm looking at at column too many computer screens here in column 17. It's five. It was a five. It was over five years for additional millage percentage,

056right? And it total up a total of 7.78% cumulative over those five years. Now under option one right it goes out over seven years and over the course of seven years just for the building projects the percentage has gone up 11.24% cumulative. So between year 1 and seven by the time we get to year seven we've done 11.24% 24% tax increase for just the buildings. So, I've mentioned that April presentation a lot and I just wanted to keep coming back to it because that that's been my benchmark for almost a year now. So you you answered my question about where our maximum bond is and that target will continue to increase because our budget increases plus we pay some down. Mr. Fry, you mentioned range 293 million. I think that's somewhere in the middle of

057the range of the numbers we heard two weeks ago. I think the low the low range was 285. I think the high range was 314 million. Um, but that range that didn't include any construction management, correct? We haven't put that in yet. >> Um, I believe it did. I just don't know the amount. >> I thought we were going third party with that. >> We are. We put in put a line item in. Crab trees that >> No, it's in there. >> It's in crab. >> I just don't know the amount. Matt, do you know the amount? >> Yeah, I know he has a line item. He put it in. I just don't know the dollar figure he put in there. >> Okay. Why is that in Crabtree if we're not using Crabtree? Well, it's

058just part of the budget process just for the project. >> Okay. >> So, for me uh and Tammy and our team, what other questions do board members have that we need to answer coming in the three-year budget or other clarifications you need just around bond borrowing and our budget? Like what what's what's in your head? What do you need me to prepare for you, share with you, provide for you as we move forward? >> Oh, I'll go first. Uh my understanding is and this is just my understanding. Uh I'm looking at that and basically this is just like um you know a 5-year-old Mr. Fry because just to keep it in my mind uh I do numbers for a living but not quite this intense. I'm seeing it as debt service 2% every year. Adequacy

059gap funding money that we are guaranteed because they're legally bonded to give that to us should cover the debt service, leave us with a little extra and then we would have to tax increase. Is that a fair? And if that's not the case, that's kind of what I'm seeing in my mind and that's is that something that will be shown when we do the budgets. I know you're going out three years because that makes sense to me if I'm looking at it correctly and if I'm way off and we need to still tax plus because adequacy is not going to cover it, whatever. But I'm just trying to wrap my head around where I think I'm at versus where we actually are. Does that make sense, Tammy? >> Yes. >> Okay. You want me to

060answer that, Mr. Fry? Um, I'd say the answer to that, Miss Harbaugh, is yes. Um this this financing plan and the building projects the adequacy funding is extremely important for us to obtain. Um with doing a 2 to 3% tax increase we would not be able to cover even probably the operating cost right now. Um, so the adequacy money, if we do get it out, I think it's 10 years now is what the plan is to get us to about 52 million over what we originally had gotten three years ago. The adequacy money should sufficiently fund this. And this plan is being built on the fact that we can continue every year, depending on which borrowing we do, add another $2 million to debt service, which is about a 2% tax increase. Yeah. So instead

061of for a scenario, instead of us needing to go 4% or five depending whether it's two to three for operational for a tax increase, we'd be able to do two or three because the adequacy gap is fully covering this debt service increase that's coming to us. >> Is that what I'm understanding? >> That would be the hope. Yes. >> Okay. No, >> yeah, it >> no. the the the debt service is being covered by 2.5 mills of adequacy and the percentage in column 17 in taxes. >> No. >> Yes, it is. >> It's it's not >> it's not both of those columns, >> right? >> Two 2.51 >> is equivalency >> is equivalent to 1.84%. It's just taking the value of a mill. >> To that point, one of my and I mentioned this two

062weeks ago, right? Adequacy funding is a law, so it's going to stay. What we don't know is how much. And they did stretch it out, which tells me, you know, it's I I think back to Well, I won't even go I'll go way back. wasn't going to go back far like the whole plan thing. Eventually this dries up. I don't I think it's going to slowly I'm I'm concerned it's going to slowly decrease over the next eight years. There's eight years left. It was a total of 10. So there's eight seven eight years left of it. So to me that's one of the reasons I want to be careful of our cash position because if adequacy does continue to decrease and we think it decreased a little bit between year one and year two but

063if it continues to decrease the cash is our safety net to offset that decrease. Well, that would be why you have it at the end in year five because you would have a decent amount of adequacy gap to get you through the first four years, you would hope, >> and then be able to adjust to that and then say yes, we can afford or no, we can't. So, if we get down to it and we're at the end and we say, well, they dried up all the adequacy gap, then we would we use maybe this is another budget question. You're still standing there and I'm not trying. Sorry, Mr. Fry. cuz now my brain is going extra. But as it stands tonight, I'm content with the fact that you're telling me adequacy gap staying as

064it is is enough to cover what you're telling us it would need, which is the millillage, which is equivalent to the 1.8 and those percentages that are there, >> right? continuing out into the outer years, meaning we get 5 million more next year, we get 5 million more the following year, and it continues out into the >> And as long as it would be 2 million, it would cover what we're doing. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. I'm done. Sorry. Thank you. >> Just for clarity, uh maybe this is more of a budget question. You're working on three-year budget, but >> um we've been setting 1% aside towards this. The current plan with the three-year budget is to continue doing that or is it to eliminate that? Is that >> okay? So, you'll want that

065answer at the three-year budget. >> I I can Yeah. I mean, what's your current >> We so currently uh we have continued in the three-year forecast the 1% we're estimating at a million dollar. It changes every year, but we're just putting a million in for for ease. um as well as building in the additional $2 million of debt service. So that's what you will see on the 10th. You'll see both of those expenditure variables in there. Uh what we've really changed um we're going to provide you two different forecasts. One is the hey this is great forecast. >> Uh the other one is uh what I call the worst case scenario or Mr. Bigger calls >> business manager special >> doom and gloom. [laughter] Um but it you know you just don't know. So we'll

066show you both of those and the impact of what it does to the general fund fund balance, the debt service fund balance and then also where we are projecting the capital reserve would be at the end of those three years. >> Does does that answer your question? Yeah, I mean a good question I think for us to ask as a we have that at 1%. How does this all change if you drop it to 0.5 or if you increase it to 1.5 or to two? It like if you go to two as I understand it over the life of 25 years that's an extra 25 million. Does that make sense? >> Uh >> so you're >> so yes bottom line. Are you are you saying that you want to keep 1% going to capital reserve

067in addition to >> that's what they're currently building on. But if we if that fluctuated up or down, how would that change our >> situation? If you move that to 2% all of a sudden we have 25 more million on the front end, right? Which reduces our bottom line by 50 million. It would just be it would be offsetting column 17 >> basically that 1.8 >> well 17's percentages I was thinking in dollars though. >> Yeah. But but well or 1% or 1 million has been going to capital reserve. >> So if you want to keep doing what have what we've done in the past three years you have to add 1% on top of column 17. Okay. >> So, that's a good question for a three-year budget. Making sure we have that >> clarity.

068We could play out different scenarios and I think it changes, you know, we have three options that we're looking at here, but >> those scenarios I think change if we >> change that. >> What you can't um you don't know right now is the operational impact. So, >> there's this balance between the debt and the operational, right? >> Right. And we >> and you can't change the operational side. I mean, >> yeah, >> there's not a lot of flexibility there. I mean, your costs keep going down on the operational side, right? >> Yeah. Sure. Yes. [laughter] Right. Salaries and benefits go down. Yeah. There you go. >> Well, back back to Chris's question. I think one number that'll be helpful for me. All right. This goes to our operational side, which is basically what our

069tax increase has been. >> Correct. >> So, the past five years, what has been our tax increase? Now, the past three years, >> take 1% off that, >> right? >> 1% went to capital reser reserve >> and that's what's >> last year the board didn't have, you know, last year we had trouble getting to a 3%. >> Now 1% of that went to capital reserve, >> but you know, I think the five-year history gives you an example of what the year-over-year operating has been. Yeah, >> historically [clears throat] that runs in that two and a half to 3% range. >> There's been years co year was one where we took it to zero because we were saving money and that was a terrible mistake but it was the right thing to do as big of

070a mistake as what it was. >> You got to work with what you know. >> Yep. >> Right. Because you know >> those costs came back the following year >> plus the increase. >> Right. And for the budget for me, will that include or can it include any potential savings with our carveout? >> Yeah. So, we're going to start giving you the assumptions of what we're including and not including. >> Awesome. >> That's the that's the business manager special side or the Chris side [laughter] would determine how aggressive we are preparing for some of the impacts of the decisions we make. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that'll be included in there. It's it's a long list on one page of uh running assumptions. And you have to you have to have all those all those variables

071are real important, >> right? >> The decisions we make on borrowing impact our operational budget on how tight it will get. And based on those decisions, we're going to share with you how tight that will look and how challenging that will be for us or not. >> Right. >> Well, and when you're doing the three-year budget, we're just still voting on one year at a time. Correct. Because you're doing a bigger like we do at work, we do five, three, five, whatever. But as it changes, if we have to go to something different, then we have that flexibility. >> We'll still have an annual discussion. Yeah. Yeah. >> But it will be >> just for clarification. Follow the plan. >> Yeah. In case somebody thinks we're passing a budget, it's staying that way for three

072years. Just for clarifications. >> One of in my career, one of the challenges of a master plan and a design for voluous things is you have these conversations. [clears throat] >> The plan's the right plan. It's just how long it's going to take, right? >> And typically you have year-by-year plans and you do a building project and that's it. This is the first time we've really taken a really long look at 30 years out enrollment capacity and said,"Well, here's the plan." >> And then adequacy came along and said, "Hey, we can speed up this plan a little more." Because we weren't thinking we were getting that much. >> So that's the evolution of the budget along the way. And even the decision for you all to say, why do renovation at North or South? Let's

073look at a new build. I mean, that was a board decision here for us because we had this master plan. So it's the right plan. It's just how fast of a plan we can implement, whether it's over the years that they're describing. So, that that's kind of the history of the state of the district to today. >> So, um I I give you softball questions, okay? Because I'm not >> I need I need some. That's that's fine. I'll take it. >> Would you be able to estimate if the uh cost to borrow will will go up or down over the next 10 years? Could you you have a crystal ball? [laughter] That's a yes or no. >> That was a softball. >> I thought so. >> Crystal ball question. >> I mean, we're we're >>

074slide two. >> Yeah. The only thing I can look at is historical averages. We're we're about at the historical averages. Um it's really tough to say, especially over the last you saw volatility last spring with the tariff announcements. You're seeing so many different things uh on a macroe economic stage. Um it's it's virtually impossible to try to predict that. We do have some contingency in here. Um if rates would go up by 50 basis points, you're probably still covered. Um but other if they would go above that, then these costs would go up. >> Okay. And the real softball, is it possible that inflation will continue to rise and whatever we decide to do later will cost more? >> Absolutely. >> I think Okay. >> Yeah. Construction costs are are increasing higher than So I'm

075I'm wrapping around to the beginning of this whole thing where >> all the requirements that we're trying to satisfy are there now and they will only grow. Um if in fact the improvements that we gain by uh normalizing uh you know distribution of students, maximizing space, get riding of things that are just outdated, uh code violations, eliminating you know any of that liability that it'll only get more expensive to do this and the requirements are going to continue to grow. So that's why I'm inclined to say I'm glad we have people like Ed and others, you know, that get into the numbers and can make it work. But I'm all for making it work because that's the plan. And uh we've all agreed to that plan to this point. And I see no reason other

076than if it's simply totally un >> right >> impossible to finance, then I I get it. But if we got to get there somehow, I would like to say we're going to get there. And again, back, you know, there's a lot of a lot of numbers on this page, but in your discussions over the next month or two, just I think the dollars are the ones that are easiest to explain that if if you can get up to $31 million in five years because eventually that's what you have to get used to paying bond holders. The bond holders need to get paid $31.9 million. So, it's planning on being at that point and and if that's able to be done over the next five years, then you'll be in in good shape. And just one

077point of clarity there, if you remember, Matt did a presentation, was six months ago on the gap when we borrow at the highest until the debt drops off to drive those capital expenditures to keep our existing buildings up to date. So that was our risk period where we're at our highest in debt service. Are we leaving our other buildings, you know, to to fall apart? And that's not the case. So that's until what 2038 when it drops 10 million back down. >> Correct. >> So that's our window of risk. that is our highest during that time frame. >> I like that. It seems like we'll have adequacy funding for that. >> There's a big question after that, but >> that gets us to that drop. >> That that is correct. Right. >> That is correct.

078>> So, or close to it. >> It's part of the risk. It's part of our risk analysis and crystal ball. >> We may have a a year where it is a pro like it's a big problem. >> Yes. >> Um but we can figure out one year. >> Uh >> that's where keeping your cash helps you, >> right? Yeah. Y >> cash is king. >> Any other questions board members have for for Tammy, myself, and our team as we build the three-year budget and bringing information to you so you feel comfortable with at least the information? So, we've had adequacy, five-year tax history, the potential resolution of the 1% and the impact of increasing or decreasing. How are you coming along with your operational savings from the um balancing of class sizes >> and >>

079potential reduction in class >> numbers? How's that? U >> that's a >> figuring out >> really good question. Uh we've had a meeting on two meetings on that and we're getting closer. I don't think we're going to commit to ex uh specific detail of it, but we will start to target a number that we believe we can attain reasonably. Um and then we'll build that into the budget of cost avoidance. So, if it's a million dollars, it's a million dollars in cost savings. But we we're working through employee group by employee group, uh position by position to see what that looks like, especially as we design the buildings. I know I look at Melissa because she's the one burdening a lot of the how many teachers do we need, how many admin do we need,

080how many uh support staff do we need. So, we've been through these exercises. So, we're we're working through that. I don't think for the three-year budget we'll have an exact number, but shortly in through this summer as we get closer to actual builds, we'll have a solid number. >> But we also we also need to be aware too that uh there's the instructional needs there. there might need to be additional staff for additional needs. So, you know, the instruction I I got to get this construction done, but that instructional program has to be the top not that's that's why we're here. Um, so we got to keep that keep in mind that those monies need to be may need to be set aside for some of that as well. I mean, we had the presentation

081on the reading, you know, we have math issues, we have other other areas and for the size of the district, we still don't have, in my estimation, the needed personnel. So, some of those savings we still got to make sure we we don't uh pull from the instructional program because that has to be the exact reason why we're here. Got to keep that in mind. >> Yeah, I agree with that, Dr. Deler. And the examples I'll give to that first I'll start Chris reply reply to your comments. If we can't if we can't get specifics then don't put a dollar in. >> Correct. >> Okay. Yeah. >> You can't have a dollar amount without specifics. You know we're not >> it's not Field of Dreams and if you build it they will >> Correct. >>

082Okay. >> Right. >> But the more reality is I think about the end of the hallway when funding dried up >> and we were able to keep the program. Yeah. >> I think about Mr. Nelson's presentation >> two weeks ago, right? With with more staff. Okay. To Dr. Diller's point, there's going to be need for more staff. >> Yeah. >> So, whatever savings we can get, I think that's great. And again, at the end of the day, and maybe this goes to Mr. Raver's point, I'm not a fan of budgeting capital reserve. I've said this before. I think capital reserve, you should do it the oldfashioned way and it's whatever you have left. You you build capital reserve by saving money. So maybe be a little more conservative and don't assume you're going to save

083a million dollars on uh synergies because there's going to be something pop up that's going to start eating into that million dollars. And if like a boiler like a boiler >> and if nothing pops up to eat that eats into that million dollars. >> Yeah. >> Well, boom, there's your capital reserve >> instead of I mean budgeting capital reserve to me is a contradiction of terms, right? It's it's you got to just budget capital then, right? Capital reserve is saving extra in my opinion. The other number that I think would be helpful for my decision is and I know it's a tricky number Mrs. stopper when it comes to budget and you know we pass a budget which is maximum amount we can spend which is I'm basically want to see audited revenue versus expense

084>> not the other number right where we can use a signed fund balance whatever you know which one >> that that kind of goes hand inand with the percentage of tax but you know again a fiveyear history x revenue y expense >> we can give you Yep. Perfect. Those are these are all great data points for us to prepare for. >> I'd just like to welcome Mr. Piper to budget season. [laughter] >> This is your first one. You having fun yet? >> We good? Can John sit down? >> Thank you, Mr. >> All right. Very good. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. >> Okay, good discussion board. Um, one of three and in meeting three, I'm sure we'll revisit a lot of these same things. And that's quite all right. I'm looking for my signing sheet. I'm

085buying time here. Item 5.01, members of the members of the audience invited to comment on agenda items. I'll go off the sign-in sheet for those who signed in. Don't worry if you didn't sign in, you'll still get an opportunity. Uh, Mr. Troutman. All right, I'm uh I'm back, but I have a question more of um regarding our middle school programs. I know tonight we have a presentation by Mr. Whitman hopefully clarifying some of our uh moving steps going forward. We had the presentation two weeks ago by ROS about our buildings which is exciting to me. We went from a threelevel tech area to a single level which is if you're a nerd and you're you're thinking about that that means we have the ability for noise mitigation above us. We have the ability now of

086a road coming around the side. We have everything we need for the uh inclusion of the programming that we currently have, which is our wood shop programs in both north and south. Just an example, uh we have these here. We brought a couple of them. Art will be here in a minute, but uh cutting boards that our kids make, for example, uh that they take home, families use them, jewelry organizers that kids will use. I know of students I've gone through in the past that still have these at their house. Parents use them that are now high schoolers, that kind of thing. Um, you don't get that with something you create uh electronically. You just don't get the the tangible take-home asset and skills that you do in a wood shop. My other concern is

087we have a meeting with RLPS at the middle school wood shop level in a week, March 5th. Um, we're supposed to help plan an architect meeting with a planning that we don't know what we have yet. We don't know what we're doing in the middle school level in this new project, whether it's wood shop, whether it's new stuff. Um, it's kind of a vague area. So, my my concern is that we are planning for stuff we don't have a plan for yet. Maybe we do with Mr. Woodman's presentation. Uh, and we're also then potentially planning to get rid of programming that is board approved for programming that we don't know exists yet. Uh, so it's just it's as a teacher in these buildings that are hopefully going to be continuing on, clarification, planning would be

088amazing. So, uh, that's all. [clears throat] >> Okay. Yes, sir. >> Hamilton Hills, Hamilton Township, region six, hometown. Guys, I also brought um a couple wood projects that I did. I'm the my name's Art Park and I teach at Cam South. Um I'm also teacher as well and I've been teaching there for 19 years. Um you know, when I was first hired here, one of my interview questions was like, what will you fight for >> in education, which I think is a great question. teachers and uh you know my response to that was you know the fight to keep project based learning and some woodworking and things like that a lot of these schools so that's why I'm here today to talk to you guys um so I think you know woodworking projects they bring

089um a multitude of benefits to our students it offers hands-on learning experiences uh practical skills problem solving and applied mathematics uh an experienced executive can lead uh to many diverse pathways in Um over the years I've found that um students of all types can succeed with these projects and we've had students you know range from gifted students to uh special needs. We have a lot of ESL students um as well as some students that have been like really physically handicapped and all these students can like really thrive and enjoy these projects and be successful. And I think uh you know as as our students like approach high school, they have a lot of you know decisions to make about what they're going to get into in the future. And I think this is like one

090of those quintessential experiences that uh every student should have the woodwork woodworking project gives uh students their only real glance at uh working in some of those skilled uh trade professions. And I think as AI, you know, takes a greater hold of our lives that uh these are really the future jobs I think we need to be preparing our students for. Um so I just want to show you guys these projects here. Um these are really cool project I'm proud of. It's a desktop organizer. Uh the students can like charge a phone on here and each student makes their own custom project. um where students like first of all they think about items that they want to put in their organizer. They measure those items and actually design different spots for them. Uh they actually

091draw this on CAD which is computerated drafting use AutoCAD and after they do that they um take it to me and I use a CNC router. So we have a small CNC router where the kids actually see this and get it all carved out. And uh the back part they also design as well. and they print that out and they actually get to cut that out manually. So, I just think this is a cool project that uh we do and a couple things we we need to uh continue to do that project. Um basically need shop. We need the ability to bring material in. Um we need to be able to plane material and process material and need best collection system of course. So, that's kind of the things I'm I'm really concerned with. Um

092in addition to wood projects, we also do uh drafting, architecture, 3D printing. Um uh we also do competitions where you engineering projects such as water bottle rockets. We launch these water bottle rockets up to about 200 feet high >> and uh we also do a boat design project. Anyway, all those projects, they're all we need that basic equipment to prep the material for that and we'd like to see the shop to continue having flexibility to make cool projects in the future. >> Thank you. >> Other members of the audience who would like to make public comment just if you would since you didn't check yes, make sure you give us your name so we can record it in the minutes correctly. Any other members of the audience have any public comment on agenda items? Okay,

093seeing none, go to section six, consent agenda previously discussed at committee the whole. These are items we did u review or had an opportunity to review two weeks ago. Um so are there any? Again, one vote. We'll we'll do all eight of these because number nine just approves the previous eight. Uh are there any of items one through eight that anyone would like to separate? Okay. And then hearing none. Before I ask for a motion again, I'll give the administration team an opportunity. Is there any of those nine items you have anything to add or elaborate on this evening? Okay. >> Not this time. >> If not, a motion and second to approve items 6.01 through 6.09. Please >> move. >> Second. >> Go with >> motion by Mr. Haydock, second by Mrs. Gaus. All

094those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? Eyes have it. So move. Section seven, uh, new items on the consent agenda, item 7.01 through 7.13. Um, I assume 7.13 we probably might want to discuss, but anyway, administration, you go first. Any items you would like to elaborate on? >> We have we have one. >> Yeah. uh 7.12 and also that that which is is tied to information that we have tonight on our comp plan. Our uh comp plan that we work on every several years um is our plan that's required by the state. Uh we really started this plan when we started with the CSD blueprint that turned into our schools of distinction that we refer to quite often and and our pillars. So you've heard some presentations. We're bringing all the

095pieces of the comp plan to you in presentations. The one with Mr. Nelson, the one uh in the next month or two from uh Mrs. Luffy on ourmies at the high school. Um but it's really elucidating all the work that we're doing right now to get to our schools of distinction. We have several folks that are uh part of the community and business community that are uh Crystal Lensleger is sitting down with. So Crystal is pretty much the author of our comp plan, but taking everything that uh Mr. Bigger has presented to the public to our plans here that we're doing with our building projects as well as our reading by third grade and ourmies. We also have a couple board members that uh Crystal is reaching out to and sitting down with them to

096go over what's in the plan. But uh for the public, it is on display. It'll start tomorrow out in the lobby if anyone wants to come and review the comp plan. and they're more than welcome to. We just asked them to to sign in next month. It will be on the Cal for to put on to the uh March agenda to vote on for the approval of the comp plan. But that that's a big piece. I just wanted to put that out there that it's part of the information for tonight's meeting. And uh that's why we have the approvals for some of the folks that are uh part of our comp plan. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Woodman. Anything else, Mr. Beggger, from the >> That was it. That was it. Thank you. >> Okay.

097Okay. So, back to board members. Items 7.01 through 7.13. If there's any of those items you would like to either vote on separately, comment on separately, or have a question on, we will separate them. Otherwise, we'll approve. We'll there motion and second and vote and they'll all be done. >> We pull 7.1. >> 7.10. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Hearing none. Uh a motion and second for item uh all the item seven except 7.10. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Dr. Diller. Second by Mr. Haydock. All those in favor of approving all of the item seven except 7.10. one zero signify by saying I >> I >> opposed eyes have it and so moved motion and second for item 7.10 please >> I move to approve >> second >> motion by Mr. Rabber

098second by Mrs. Goggler Mr. Rabber question discussion. >> Uh I just want to highlight I think this is just a really sweet update they're making. They're adding a community service component to the future business leaders of America club and I think that that's really crucial for our youth to be finding opportunities to serve and so I think it's just worthy of celebrating that addition that amendment to their bylaws. That's all I want to say. >> So thank you to whoever spearheaded that addition. I think it's incredible. So, >> all right. Very cool. Good work. >> Other questions or comments? 7.10. [snorts] >> Seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Eyes have it. So moved. 10.01. Gifts, grants, and donations. Mr. Woodman, Mr. Bigger. anything? >> Well, at the

099cow, we had two uh donations at the cow and that has grown by leaps and bounds. So, we want to just thank the the folks that uh donate for various causes in our district. One thing that should be noted, uh Mr. Toddski, he runs a uh fun evening for our our staff, uh even the admin building had a team, but the CAMS North faculty and staff won the trivia contest uh this year. So, thanks to them. Very cool. Okay. Motion and second to approve free gifts. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Mr. McGee. Mc. >> Second by Mr. Raver. >> Doesn't matter. >> Any other questions, comments, or discussions? >> All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Eyes have it and so move. Policy and legislation item

10011.01 policies for the second reading. If we get to my list. So motion and second for policies 2 215 and 609. Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Dr. Diller, second by Mr. Haydock. >> Questions or comments? >> Okay. >> Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. Eyes have it. So move. Item 11.02, 2 budget resolution. Motion and second for the budget resolution. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Mrs. Goggler. Second by Mr. Rabber. This was an item that we discussed briefly at the committee of the whole last two weeks ago. So, uh, Mr. Beger, do you have anything to add to that or? >> Nope. Just highlights. >> Enjoyed writing it. Um, hopefully it makes a difference. Make your phone calls and write

101your letters. So, you know, a lot of the our plan is uh contingent upon adequacy. So, >> thank you for the push to do it and um hopefully you had a chance to read through it. >> Other questions, comments, thoughts. Okay, hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I >> opposed. Eyes have it and so move. 12.01 safety and security updates. Chief Carter as Chief Carter is coming up here. I'll preface this. This is right. This is u I don't want to say watered down, but it is it's designed for public content. Doesn't go into all the specifics which are more private and executive session content. Uh, we're not in the business of advertising our security secrets. >> Mr. Chief Carter, >> thanks for your introduction. I'm all about watered down. [laughter]

102>> So, I'll uh I'll make it quick. I just wanted to um just give you a couple of updates where we're at now. Um, you know, some statistics that we have in the district. Um, I'll first start by saying that uh Officer Coner and Gunner are still moving through the district uh at light speed right now trying to get to all the schools. He's they're back at the high school mainly full-time now. Um, as far as where they're laying their head, but they are working a lot of schools, getting a lot of events in. The weather's kind of curtailed that a little bit, but as the weather gets nicer, they'll be they'll be working and and doing some other things. Um, as far as um some statistics, some safe to say that we've had this

103year, just want to cover that very quickly. Uh obviously we've had um you know a lot of those uh 109 total for the year and out of those 10921 have been uh life safety tips. So as we're working through that I believe our numbers right now um probably shouldn't say this are down a bit. Um you know which is a good thing. That's a credit to you know obviously the administration the the uh the counselors uh you know a lot of what goes on in the schools. So I think those numbers are are fairly good right now. We had a pretty sizable one here recently. Um, again, online social media threats which we worked through with the state police, Chambersburg police, uh, and administration, uh, you know, and we had a lot of those details

104ironed out, uh, you know, to keep the schools safe and keep everybody moving through the schools as we should. Um, anybody have any questions about that? Specifically, safe to say, I just like to give those numbers just to kind of give you a snapshot of where we're at. um you know and and where they are the categories of those it's it's pretty consistent where we are from year to year. There's nothing that would jump out to say that we have uh you know issues that aren't being worked through and and again each one of those safe to say um incidents when they come in uh myself uh the directors or the principles are are getting each and every one of those and and reacting and and working through every one of those. So all 109

105uh eyes viewed it uh administrators normally deal with that or police agencies deal with those as as we go through them. So does anybody have any questions on safe to say? It's pretty pretty cut and dry with that. So next uh category that I have are children youth um uh incidents that we have per year right now. Um you know and they they're wide ranging at every school uh you know mandated reporting we have 301 of those reported at this point in time of the year. Um our our high school has 82 of those which is is normal considering the age of the kids but they can range you know all over the place as as far as you know truency the whole way through um child abuse situations that are looked into by children

106youth services that are mandated reported and uh you know police agencies um outside Franklin County agencies also look into those. So 301 of those total for the year. Uh you know I know that sounds alarming. Um me being a director of safety and security, I look at that a little differently because you know something that is mandated reported then you have 301 things are being looked into appropriately to make sure that everybody is safe and secure uh and they get the help that they need. So I look at that a little bit differently than maybe some um you know not that that's a a good thing but I do look at it as a good thing because there's a lot more eyes and attention on some of these incidents and things that we have to

107deal with. So any questions on on that as far as those numbers go? The only other thing that I wanted to touch base on was uh act 44 just came into play this year which is weapons notifications. So that came down as statemandated notifications. So we did start that uh in January. It set a few other things in motion as far as safety and security director goes uh reporting attended meetings um you know and making sure that we're documenting that appropriately. But you know at this point in time we are acting on any of those uh weapons that would be in school. we are reporting it as required uh putting out the notifications and and again knock on wood fortunately you know we we've had very few of those that uh have been through our

108schools. So we're doing everything that we're required to do you know as per that law and act 44. Anybody have any questions on that? I know that's different. Uh people get a little nervous when you send out those notifications, but you know, again, I look at that as a good thing because those numbers are down, but you know, we're also reporting it in our administrators do a phenomenal job of of making sure that our schools are as safe as they can be. >> Chief, question on that. Just curious. I know that all rolled out pretty quickly and and there wasn't a whole lot of uh there weren't a whole lot of instructions or directions with it. Uh not as bad as an unfunded mandate, but pretty darn close, >> right? >> So, any what any

109logistic challenges with meeting that Act 44? Maybe whether it's because of how quickly it came upon us or just the whole unknown or >> No, there were no logistical challenges and honestly all those are being looked into anyway. It was just a reporting uh procedure that we had to follow. We worked through that. We we had meetings on how we wanted to message it. Um and I got to be honest with you that every time one of those comes in, the administrators, police department, everybody within the district, the administr, you know, the administration in general, we were already doing it anyway. It was just the reporting piece of it, you know, putting it out to and messaging. >> Yeah. But everything else was I mean we literally I mean Chris can speak to it. We

110>> for most of it was fairly cut and dry for the typical one. There are some nuances of if an adult brings a weapon on school property like we're asking those questions. We would have to report that. Everybody assumes student, but you could be at a sporting event and someone brings a weapon on property, we're going to notify them. What happens if it's on a bus? What happens if it's at the new Green Village campus and there's two schools? Do we send it to the elementary and the so we're going all through all the nuances. That's where it gets extremely complicated. Uh but when in doubt just do the notification. That was the intent of the law. So that's what we're going to do. >> That's a email blast or something or >> we do

111notifications through Sapphire. >> Sapphire. >> Yeah. >> That's all I have. Any other questions? Safety. >> I have a question. Um so I know there are a lot of uh lookalike weapons out there. They're really, you know, you can't fire them, but they sure look like the real thing. A student or an adult brings that in. I'm assuming it's not the same level of of a problem, but it is a real problem, is it not? >> It is the same level of a problem depending on when it's it's actually seen or how it's viewed, right? >> Um, you know, that's why we've taken, you know, in our policy, we have that in our policy. Any look alikes that that would come out, but certainly, you know, that that could be an issue. you know, we

112we handle those the exact same way. >> Yeah, I wasn't all that sure about the policy to be honest with you. >> Yep. Any other questions or concerns? >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you. >> Item 13, new business. Board members, open mic, microphone. I have one. I uh I just want to share. I really appreciate what the teachers shared tonight. Um I thought it was excellent and it just made me wonder um you know I I know we care a lot about reading, writing, and arithmetic. Uh we care about reading by third grade, but there's a lot of like really interesting stuff happening especially in our secondary buildings um and and in primary. Um, how, you know, I I'm I'm aware of some of this just as a parent,

113but how can we get more teachers like the two that showed up tonight to present in front of the board just like what's the coolest new class at the high school? Right. And and could we get five minutes? Right. I'm I know you're juggling a ton as an administration right now with school projects and new vision and it that's incredible. And so maybe this is too big of an ask, but I would I would love to hear five minutes. I don't know if it's every month. >> Uh maybe a class, maybe something that is happening in a department that's really interesting or noteworthy. Maybe even clubs, you know, like what's what's going on in the clubs that hey, the public should be aware. This is a really cool club right now. And they went and

114you know, we hear from student government and NJOTC. Um, but I'd love to hear more of that uh firsthand what's what's worth celebrating that's happening in the classrooms and with our students. So, I don't know if that's necessarily an agenda item, but it could become one if the administration has the capacity for it or someone on the team does. >> I'll I'll follow up. I mean, I think last meeting I mentioned uh the interviews you've done. >> Um, >> yeah, >> Mr. Luffy and Mr. Nelson, they were awesome. And if anything, I I'm amazed at like the vast experience and knowledge they bring to these positions. And like, you know, it's like they're truly professionals. And >> I think a lot of people just think teachers and you know, but there's so much more to

115it that >> um and even if it's a shop teacher, please, I'd like to know more about what you're doing and how the kids are reacting to that level of learning. >> So, I agree with Mr. Rab, but if logistically the interviews makes more sense, you know, you get more people look at it that way, then that would be fine. >> Also, uh, you know, uh, we get a as a board, we get a report each every other Friday or whatever before the board meeting and and and they've been putting a lot in that. Our our reports that we we're getting are are very involved and so I mean, it takes some time to read them and some some really positive things have been highlighted in there. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other

116items? >> Okay. Section 14 information uh vacancy summary, enrollment summary. Um does anyone like anybody from the committees like to make a report? I would just like to thank the board members who came to the career tech center last Friday for the visit. I think that they benefited from seeing what goes on in that building. Many people, schoolboard members, the public in general have no idea the value of that career center. So, thank you for attending. >> Best kept secret in Franklin County. Okay. Any other reports? Curriculum map comprehensive plan. Mr. Woodman, you mentioned that. Any comment? Any additional comments? Okay. And typical disposal books, equipment list. All right. No other business. Meetings adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.