001Everybody ready? Everybody ready? >> All good. >> Go ahead and call this evening's meeting to order. Tuesday, January 27th, uh Chainsbury Area School District Board of Directors, our regular voting meeting. Uh if you would uh please rise and join me for a pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silence. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. [clears throat] >> Prior to this evening's meeting, uh at 6:30, the board did meet in an executive session to discuss uh two uh real estate matters. Um item 2.03. Motion and second, please for approval to adopt tonight's agenda. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion by Mr. Haydock, second by Mr. McKe.
002Questions, discussions. >> Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. >> Eyes have it and so moved. Item 3.01, superintendence report. Mr. Bigger. >> Yep. Thank you, Mr. aka weatherman. >> Yeah, >> Jim Canour, eat your heart out. >> I'm not sure I have any better predictions than they do, but uh but we try. So, I have a few comments about the weather as well. Uh I do want to thank the board. It's school board appreciation month in January. You have a few items in front of you just for a small token of appreciation, but more importantly, the words and the thankfulness I have for you as a board helping set direction in the district to move us forward. So, I do thank your for your time, for your
003energy, for uh you working for wonderful compensation for the district and uh I do thank you for um everything that you do. So, don't don't ever feel that we don't appreciate you. You do help set the direction and you also set the tone for the district and the working conditions. So, really appreciate the last couple years and I look forward to the to the years ahead. Um we will be creating a schoolboard plaque. Um I'm not embarrassed to say I stole the idea from Mechanicsburg. I was in their boardroom and saw a wonderful plaque for years of service. Um, and we're working through that right now. FA the historian's helping us find out the history of all board members and how long that they've served. But we're going to create a plaque and put it
004in the back for years of service. I think you have to hit 12 years to get on the plaque. Um, but we're working through that just to really recognize and keep that history. I do think um sorry if you're not gonna make 12 but uh it had to be cut off somewhere because well everybody can't fit on the plaque but it was an exciting project for us to talk about because I don't think we recognize you enough but we also don't want to forget the history if if FA's no longer our historian and I here I'm not sure how we find the information out. >> So we're we're working on that. >> Um February 11th and 16th will now be school days. So we did have two weather closings this week. um they are now
005school days, so they're right around the corner. If need be, we will have March or yeah, March 13th and 18th for snow makeup days as well. So, two down, two remaining on the calendar. Um also, just for tomorrow, we will be on time for tomorrow. Um there's a few schools remaining on time and not delaying. We'll be flexible certainly with weather related travel and notes uh for students between tardies and absences. Um, but the temperature difference between 7 am and 9:00 am is about two degrees. So, the delay really doesn't get us much for the cold. So, we're hopeful that people just dress warm and take your time on the way to school uh tomorrow and the rest of the week. I do want to thank uh everyone that that orchestrated the midyear graduation. So,
006thanks Mrs. Luffy and the whole team for putting a beautiful ceremony on. I think it's the first of many to come and it's only going to continue to grow. So, it was nice being inside and for all the participation. So, thank everyone for pulling that together in mid year. Uh, it was a very nice ceremony. Um, I do want to thank Dr. Long and the team. The architects are working very hard at reducing square foot. So, what you don't see behind the scenes is sometimes when you go to build a school, it's what everybody wants in the school and then it gets really big and you're like, "Oh, we can't afford that." So, now they're working on the next phase, which is reducing square foot. So you will see that uh in the next board
007meeting, the presentation from the architects of how we're working down the square foot. So I want to thank their their time, energy, and effort for taking care of that, but also working hard to keep the square foot manageable. Uh we are also working on the consolidation savings. So we want to get to you a number that we feel and believe between the schools that will consider shuttering, repurposing, selling, and keeping in addition to the consolidation of staff. We need to get you a number that we feel is realistic from a one-time for sale uh of any buildings that we do, but also our internal number from for consolidating staff. So, we want to make sure that that's part of the equation. We're just not building buildings for the sake of buildings. We also do have
008some cost avoidance. I'd hate to say savings, but we avoid uh increasing in cost. So, we're trying to get you that number in the next month or so as well. Uh the last item I'm going to throw to Tammy on the boiler. So, we did have some struggles right before this weather. So Tammy, if you want to talk about the Cam South boiler and the quick work to get that at least addressed for now. >> Sure. Um, as you know, we experienced significant boiler failures um over the weekend of January 17th. Essentially, two of the three boilers were no longer functioning. Um, we were functioning in the building a little bit cooler than we'd like, but that week of January 19th with just one boiler uh that was working. Um, while it was capable of
009sustaining the building under those conditions, it really did not have or does not have the capacity to sustain the building with the Arctic cold that we're currently experiencing and I think we're going to continue to experience through January. Um, additionally, all of these boiler boilers have reached the end of their life. They were all installed in 2001, making them 25 years old. Uh we were able uh through the work of Matt Varnner and Scott Moyer and a company um called three threeb Solutions to bring a 300HP boiler in from Scranton. Uh they had to bring it in on a 48 foot trailer. Uh they did so started on Friday uh got here on Saturday and were able to uh install that uh boiler which we are currently renting. Um they are working with 3B solutions
010right now to find a permanent solution of purchasing potentially two high efficiency boilers that will be able to sustain this building throughout the period of time that we intend to occupy it which is looking like probably 20 29. Mr. Bigger I'm looking at you. Um I do again want to thank Matt Varnner and Scott Moyer. They worked tirelessly over that week with 3B solutions to try to get something workable knowing that we were facing the snowstorm on Sunday and very cold uh climates uh this week. And also want to thank the CAM South staff and the administration for their patience as we've we've worked through the solution. >> End the report. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Bigger. In my industry, we say the same thing. These mechanical devices do not like cold weather and
011it happens with most inopportune time, cold and heat. Uh anyway, uh I often mention um the recognition times for different staff. Uh I know last time and sometimes I remember, sometimes I forget. So someone reminded me, I can't take credit for this, someone reminded me of this, but next week is school counselor appreciation week. So to staff, students, parents, public, uh, you know, let your school counselors know how much they are appreciated. Uh, wow. Those of us who have children or who have already raised children, imagine being a counselor for that many children at one time. So, uh, I didn't miss it. And thank you to whoever reminded me. It doesn't look like you're writing, Mr. Bigger. No comment. >> Okay. [laughter] Uh my other comment, um staying on task, uh next month is a
012very busy month with uh schools of distinction. Uh by 2030, uh first meeting next month, there'll be an architect's presentation. Uh Dr. Long, I'm so thankful, grateful to hear from Mr. Bigger's report. uh in 12 years I've often used the term scope creep and uh it's glad I'm glad to hear that we are looking at maybe some reverse scope creep or at least back it down a little bit. So that's good news. Then after we hear the information from the architects um then the second meeting we'll have PFM here um to look at how we finance this rascal. You know, right now we're looking, you know, maybe all three buildings, $270 million range, plus or minus. Might get more information in two weeks. And the big question is going to be how we're going to
013fund that. Uh there's several options. Uh PFM will present uh three different scenarios is what we've asked them to bring forward. Um I haven't seen them yet, but we did talk to Mrs. goggler. Chris and I spoke with John Fry a month and a half ago as far as put together three options and see what they look like. Um, on a personal note, uh, since these meetings are recorded, I love it in this regard. Um, you know, I have been an advocate for these buildings from day one. Uh, however, as most of you know, I'm pretty darn fiscally conservative. But what I'm most proud of, as much as it um makes me nervous for tax increases, is that uh if you're in favor of something, then you have to come up then you have to
014be in favor of paying for it. You can't be an advocate for anything and then not have a way to pay for it. Uh so uh that's what uh John Fry's presentation will also include that what that looks like and keep in mind whatever that those tax numbers look like for those three scenarios that's in addition to our normal operating uh increases every year which historically have been between 2 and 3% um every year. And when we get to new business I'll comment on that on Mr. for bigger report earlier but don't want to take time now to do that. So with that uh conclude my comments for tonight or one more I will say to Chris I made fun of him about aka the weatherman. Uh I don't envy him one bit and having
015to make these decisions on snow days. U some of us love snow and there are others who don't like snow and you won't please everyone. uh you'll have half the group that is impartial. You have a quarter of them who are opposed to his decision and a quarter of them who are in favor of his decision. You can't win them all. So I don't envy him a bit, but uh I sent him a message yesterday uh very generic. I just said use your own best judgment to make the right decision. So I trust his decision. Thank you. No presentations tonight. Item five, privilege of the floor. Uh, one signed in. I have a full house here tonight, so I think we have plenty of time. Uh, that doesn't mean I'm going to go over the
016three minutes, so I'm not going to wave that one. Uh, first comment is, uh, Valerie Jordan, items 705 and items 8.0. I'm winging this tonight even though I have two statements. Uh first, the administration works as a team and the school board works as a team and the reason I say that is your committee of the whole. Um I looked at your board policy for class size. It was revised in February of 2023. It's a good policy. You're not going to try to change it for the sake of changing it. Um, and I'll tell you why class sizes. Now, I will say part of my speech class sizes were larger. And I never thought about this until Chris Bigger brought it up. And then I thought about it because I'm a product of the 50s
017and 60s. [snorts] Uh classes were larger in the 1950s,60s and 70s because the influx of baby boomers into America's classroom. I happen to be one. World War II happened. New schools weren't able to be built at the time. This phenomena just didn't happen in our public schools at the time. It also happened in our Catholic schools. For most of my young life, I went to Catholic school. I graduated from a public high school. There I sat with 59 other classmates in St. Cecilia School in Islington, New Jersey, which is no longer there because of the demographic. The more you know about history. Um, the other thing I'm not too concerned about the debt because right now the annual debt is 5.4% of my tax bill. Uh, if it goes up a little bit, I'm fine
018with that. And the reason is children. Children need schools, books, teachers, guidance counselors. They need a whole lot. Okay? And things have gotten better since the 1950s. I can tell you that I had nuns and you couldn't even turn your head. And I never sat detention in my life. So again, let me see. The annual debt is 11.6 million. [snorts] Total expenditures 212 million. And the annual debt is 5.4. uh percent. And roads and bridges in our state, any civil engineer knows this, goes into the billions of dollars. Any civil engineer, man or woman, I checked, okay? Because I check into things and I research. And that's what I'm given. I'm given these facts. So, we're going to move ahead with this for the kids. I'm going to pay for it and my husband and
019I have agreed we are. So, no more complaining about it. >> Thank you, Mrs. Jordan. >> Any other members of the audience? Yes, ma'am. Just uh just uh share your name with us, please, so we have it for for our minutes. Thank you. >> Good evening. Good evening. My name is Aaron Athetherton and I am a parent of two Cass children as well as a taxpayer. I want to speak tonight on on an agenda agenda item 7.02 personnel actions specifically related to Mr. Richard Bricker, music and band teacher from CAMS North. It is my understanding that Mr. Bricker has been gone from Cams North since early December. This departure made it impossible for the students to have their winter concert and they were told that the concert would be quote rescheduled due to unforeseen circumstances.
020No communication was ever made to the students or parents about Mr. Bricker's so-called retirement. A job posting was made on December 30th, 2025 for his replacement, again without notice to parents or students that Mr. Bricker had quote unquote retired. A teacher with as much experience and tenure as Mr. Bricker would not simply abandon his students before a concert to retire. Where is the transparency within CASD and the school board? Thank you. >> Thank you. Other members of the audience who wish to make public comment this evening. Okay. Hearing none. uh first consent uh agenda group uh group six uh items 6.01 uh through 6.08. Um first off uh ask if there's any of these items that anyone would like to separate and vote on uh individually. Again uh one vote gets all of them unless
021we want to discuss them and vote on any of them separately or individually. I would like to pull off six I shouldn't say pull off vote on item 6.01 and discuss it individually um which is proposed LIU uh 12 general operating budget any others okay uh items 6.02 through 6.08 08. Um, we'll do a motion, second, then ask the admin for any question or any comments and then board can do it. So, motion to approve [clears throat] item 6.02 through 6.08. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Mrs. Goggler, second by Mrs. Gaus. Okay. Before we vote, admin, any >> no comments on those? >> Comments on anything? Nope. >> Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying oh. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed.
022Eyes have it. And so move. >> Okay. Motion and second for item 6.01. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Dr. Diller, second by Mr. Raber. Um I'll go first since I asked uh I made a comment on this uh beginning of the month at our committee of the whole meeting and as I often do I think about those comments more and more and sometimes I get more questions and sometimes I satisfy myself in time. Um as I mentioned in my opening remarks about tax increases uh we're going to have some tax increases here coming for our uh building project. Um, I don't know that any of us are strong u advocates for tax increases, but as I said, for the building projects, I'm all in because I support the building projects. However,
023I think we need to be very uh cautious and try to see where else we can save money at uh on our annual 2 to 3% increase. Um, I'm just concerned with with this budget as it impacts Chambers School District with the Franklin Learning Center. Um, conversation with Mr. Bigger. I mean, I was very pleased, a little bit surprised, but I was very pleased to hear that we actually have more students in at Franklin Learning Center this year than last year. As much as that makes me excited, it also ratches up my concern. My concern is from the presentation we had from the director and looking at this budget, I don't know what I'm afraid of the tax implications to Chamber School District for having that same number of students in that facility next year
024because I am very much concerned that our rates, what we pay the LIU for our students at Franklin Learning Center are going to go up. Um, so that that, you know, a little over 3% increase. I just I just can't be a supporter of it this evening. Any other thoughts or comments? >> Yeah, I'd like to pipe up too that I think there needs to be some tightening of the belt there. Um, and I will not be in support of it as well. >> I have a question. with historical perspective on what recent increases have been like. I'm asking you on the fly. So, if you don't have it on hand, that's totally fine. But >> Tammy, I wouldn't have it with >> 3.4 seems, you know, reasonable to me. I mean, it's not it's
025not absurd and it's not like five or seven or, you know, um is 3.4 a normal increase? Maybe it is, right? Maybe last year was 1% and so they're making up for it. or maybe last year was high and this is actually low. Without that, I don't really have a whole lot to say about this except that seems not too far off of a normal increase year-over-year for all costs that increase. >> Is it also true that uh there was a significant increase in paying of their teachers in reference to our district? because that's that's one of the increases that I think's, you know, funneling that. I understand that we're all trying to get teachers and and we, you know, increases, but, you know, when we're trying to stay at three and and and we've
026added, you know, one to to help with our building projects, but, you know, even though it's 3.4, I think I I just want them to take a finer look at that in the future. I know it it it's it's several districts that will be be voting on this. So my vote's not going to carry anything in that in that regard, but I I think it it needs to be looked at that they've got to stay tightened up, too. Ju just for a point of reference as the liaison to the LIU, the 3% uh that has nothing to do with the contributions that the district makes. >> Um this general operating budget, we were contributing about $14,000 and they got rid of that. So we are no longer contributing anything to the general operating budget in
027that way. Anything that we are paying and Chris please correct me if I'm incorrect. Anything that we are paying to the LIU is based strictly on services that we will be using for students or services that we will be utilizing from the LIU. It is now going to be an alocart type menu. And Tammy has received, I believe, a SK or a list of if you need therapeutic support, if you need um uh behavioral issues, if you have a multi-isability, whatever it is that you would need for your special education students, you now have a fixed price that you will know at the beginning of the year, this is how much you will be paying for special education, which hopefully will help eliminate a lot of the big transfers that were being done because there
028was a lot of uncertainty. There was a lot of back and forth based on I think [clears throat and cough] who was teaching the experience of that teacher what was going on. So the LIU is attempting to make it a lot more clear-cut. That way if stu if we feel as Chambersburg school district that we can do it better here and we can do it cheaper here, we can pull those students back into the district [clears throat] and save ourselves money in that way. Um and if we feel that there are things that we cannot do, then they are going to be using that. So, I just wanted to be clear that the operating budget you're seeing that 3% is not a direct correlation to anything that we would be paying because the contribution that
029we were making that used to be included in that the $14,000 has been taken out. Um there is a from last time when we actually saw the budget, there is a chart there that tells you where they're getting the revenue from. Um and the district contributions across the board have gone down to zero. So, I just wanted to make that clarifying statement there that it's not quite apples to apples in that way. And if I misspoke in any of that, please please feel free to clarify anything. Chris, >> the only clarity I would give is because the centers, that's the York Learning Center, Franklin Learning Center did increase wages and salaries to gain teachers and staff. We're going to see a bigger bill on that. And [clears throat] that's how they're able to cover their
030operating cost. So, increase one side, drop the other side. >> It's It's still an increase. >> It's an increased cost. Yeah. just throw a different spot. >> It's a sum of the parts. It's still total dollars to >> LIU for Franklin Learning Center. And that's my concern that you know those total dollars in my conversation with Chris um to the point I think and not so much a percentage um x total dollars divided by y students and we get a little bit of a historical perspective of what it cost on average per student. Um, we know that for instance at career tech. We know that if we send them out to a third party, it's expert student. We know how much it costs us for um the folks at Cyber Charter Schools. Um, I think
031the comparison is how much does it cost per student at Franklin Learning Center. That's the way I I benchmark that and I'm just concerned that total cost is going to continue to to go up. I I mean >> unproport I out of disproportionately go up. All the costs go up, but I'm afraid it's going to go up disproportionately. >> I hope I'm wrong. >> One comment I'll make about the Franklin Learning Center since I'm a little closely tied to that as a board member there. Um it's an aging facility. they've have significant uh infrastructure issues that trying to resolve that like we either have to do or build a new school and so they're doing the best they can I believe with what they have and uh that's not cheap so that's my only comment
032>> facility improvements would be in addition to any of this money that would be a separate cost share between sending districts yes that's in addition to whatever the uh pdium rates are. >> You say it's coming. >> Oh yeah, I know it. >> It's like a roof at the Career Tech Center. You pay for the students, then when it comes time to put a roof on, you share the cost of the roof. >> Okay. No other comments or discussion. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? >> I have two. >> Two. Yes. Dr. Diller and myself. Motion passes. 72. Consent agenda. New items. Group seven. Items 7.01 through 7.15. Since these are new items, I'm going to ask the administration if they would like to comment or elaborate on any
033of the new items. These were items that we did not uh discuss two weeks ago at committee of the whole. >> I I have one item if [clears throat] you don't mind. It's 7.05. 5. Um, this was the request to review all of our buildings in the future, ones we're considering to vacate, and get them all evaluated and assessed for recommendations. So, this is that proposal uh to make sure we're ahead of that. So, this would help us make decisions over buildings we would keep, buildings we would sell, buildings we would lease, um, moving forward. So, packaging all of these together so the board has some good information. Um, and most of this is real estate, so it would happen in executive session, but it is the proposal to get that uh data analysis done
034for you. That's the only item I have that's out of the norm. Okay. Um, motion and second for items 7.01 through 7.15. Oh, no. Does anyone wish to vote on any of these items separately? Okay. Hearing none. Motion to approve items 7.01 through 7.15. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Dr. Diller. Second by Mr. McKe. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. [snorts] >> Eyes have it. So move. No business. Nothing under education and services, finance and facilities. Um motion and second to approve gifts, grants, and donations. Please >> move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Mrs. Goggler, second by Mr. Raber. Questions, comments? Board members. Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Eyes have it and so moved. Item 11.01,
0351 reading of policies policy 215 promotion and retention policy 609 investments motion and second please >> move to approve >> second >> motion by Dr. Diller second by Mr. hating questions or discussions hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Eyes haven't and so moved. Second reading of policies, three of them this time. Policy 146, student services. Policy 229, student fundraising. Policy 234, pregnant parenting married students. Motion and second to approve these three policies on the second reading. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Mrs. Gaus. Second by Miss Harbaugh. Questions or discussions? >> All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Opposed. Eyes have it. So moved. No. Nothing under safety and security. Uh item 13, new business. Um I'll start with board members, then
036um I have two items, just more discussion than anything else. But board members, other board members first. Uh I have something that's more of a comment than really, but um having watched um Brad give his presentation, an interview with uh Mr. bigger a few weeks ago uh and most recently uh Miss Luffy. Um I think those are great. Um it's nice to hear in their own voice what's going on >> and especially not in this formal setting but just kind of in a more relaxed uh environment. So I would say please continue doing those things especially with people we don't normally hear from. >> Thank you. [clears throat] other board members. Uh I said I had two items and uh more questions and thoughts than anything else. Um Mr. Berger, I thought about it just
037in your president's president's or yeah, superintendent's report when I wrote this down. U mentioned about the snow days. We had four. We have four build in this year. So we still have two to go. refresh my memory what snow days look like in the new calendar. Are there any built-in >> end of the year add-ons only? Um, but because we've increased the day by 15 minutes, we could forgive a few days before we add on. If it makes sense to add on a week, we would do that. But if it was only one day, we would forgive the day because it's hours, not days anymore. >> Okay? >> But the calendars, the calendar is the calendar. It will not change. Whatever you see printed is the calendar. So, no changes coming. >> There's a bank
038there's a bank of ours to cover snow days. Okay. >> Can I just add on that? Um, >> you know, I was seeing in the the Friday report about about the inservice and and the planning that's going into this inservice. Has there been given thought that >> I mean they lost their inservice and they've lost >> two two days of inservice which, you know, we've been >> they're smiling over there because they wanted to keep the days. >> Well, I I would agree with them. Uh uh because the thing that I'm concerned about is, >> you know, [clears throat] we really want to go have top-notch staff development. So, we're getting everybody on track to do staff development and then boom, we have a snow day and instead of putting it on the end, >>
039the snow day, um they're losing out on their on the training and all the planning and the advanced work that people have done. So, it kind of it concerns me. Is there is there >> agreed? Is there a way what could we could why could we put it on the end? >> Because on the calendar it was listed as snow makeup days. Uh and we're honoring the calendar that was communicated. I think if I have school on those days and add it to the end, that's not what was communicated. It's our traditional calendar of old and we're changing it next year, but I was honoring the old traditional ways by creating that calendar. So that doesn't mean we couldn't, but they were identified. People reserve those days. They know we're using those for makeup. Oh,
040I know the administration wants to keep those days. They beg me to not cancel the election >> are coming in. Um, do you really [clears throat] think the P Well, I don't know. I just >> I mean, tacking them on to the end of the year for June 2nd after school's already out. Um, I'm not sure attendance would be good. I mean, I just don't think it's going to work necessarily this year. >> You probably don't reap the same benefit either. >> No, as far as the educational value. Yeah. >> Because if you have the if you can implement right away, >> there's different impacts. Well, we we've just lost out on the training again. And I've been on this board for four years. And and every time you make staff development a priority, >>
041we just wash it out. And and and [clears throat] I don't think instructionally, >> you know, that's that's good. And I think that's been a deficit in the district for quite some time that we have not had the staff development. And and again, what incentive do people have for doing quality staff development knowing even the rest of the year it's going to get cancelceled out? I mean, that's >> counterproductive. And I think they had some really good things planned and I think it would have been better to put it on the end, but [clears throat] that's I I >> Right. We can anticipate improvement next year. >> Yes. With a different calendar. >> Well, of course, I disagree with that, but at the same time, I'm just saying >> Well, but snow Yeah. Staff development's
042important one in one one time, but in another time it's not. So this time it's not because of the way we have it structured. So it's just a problem. >> I mean, the only option I would have is to forgive the day because we can count hours and still run February 11th as an inservice day. I mean, I could do that. I could just cancel making up the day. >> Then you're banking on no more snow days. We do have enough hours since the high school did move to block. They really jumped up their overall minutes because of the passing time. >> We're just so close to what they have planned, >> right? >> Could we split it? >> I mean, do one as a makeup and one as a staff development. >> We could.
043Yeah. Yeah. We're running. I mean, the snow weather pattern is not looking good. So, we did two this time. If the patterns, you know, if we're hitting five, six, seven days, you know, we're adding on a lot to the end, we're canceling a lot of days. So, I'm more worried about the pattern of the weather right now than anything. But but I could go down that path and we could um potentially keep the 11th which would I know make uh that that whole side of the room very very happy um and just not make it up. But that is afforded to us with the new policies at the state that was not afforded to us before. >> So [clears throat] if the board wishes to do that >> is that that's what I was going
044to ask. Is that something the board has input into or is that your decision on that? >> It's it's usually the calendar development. So this is both. I think this you guys can give me some input if you want to see. >> I would I would support having the staff development as scheduled for the 11th. >> Yeah, I would too. >> I like the idea of one of each. >> So, we'll keep the president's day. >> You decide which one goes which way. But >> the 11th, I think, is the preferred right over there. The 11th is the preferred day to keep um on the schedule. Now, I did indicate that we were using them with snow makeup days to the group prior to, but I can certainly uh pull that back. >> I mean,
045we think big picture the entire what gets the best education for the remainder of the year. >> Sure. >> To split the difference. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I think Dr. Dillard's getting something here. >> I'm okay. >> All right. >> I I like the idea of of you know, whatever we can do to get the uh inservice back in. Okay. Okay. I know in presentations last month, I think it was Mr. Nelson mentioned uh about the training he was looking forward to to to to diving into at this next inservice. So, >> just I'm looking off the cuff. Can I recamp my email I sent at 4:00 and we recover? >> You can blame it on the board. >> No, it's okay. I don't >> Yeah, this is what this is when you
046can make make good on it >> from the elementary side. We can do >> Okay. So, we'll have an internal meeting tomorrow and we'll figure out. Did you have inservice scheduled for both of those days or just one of them? >> Just the 11th. >> The other one was a a holiday. >> Yeah. >> So that keep >> that would be normal. And then there's one other one in March that's an inservice day as well. >> All right. So So yeah, do the snow dance, right? Do no more snow dance. Yeah. >> In order to bring it to the forefront and and and I know that they put a lot of planning into it. I think it's >> Yeah. I mean, not to I know it's your decision, we're good, but good point. >> It's
047an option. It's an option. When I can have options, I'll provide them. So, this is a this is one we can do. >> That's what this section of the agenda is about. Whether it's a comment or something like that or, you know, to to foot footnote to a previous discussion. I'm sorry, Mr. R. >> I feel like there were only three or four of us that spoke there. I am curious to hear from >> the rest. >> Go with the 11. >> Okay. >> The inservice. >> Yeah. >> Professionals. >> I was neutral, but uh >> the directors swayed me. We're so glad. >> Just blame it on the board, Chris. That's all right. >> That's all right. >> They don't like us, we won't have to worry about getting our name on a plaque.
048We'll get voted out. >> I'm going to remove school board appreciation month now. >> We know your name's on that plaque. [laughter] >> Uh yeah, my other comment again uh follows off follows up on um Mr. Bigger's superintendent report. Um music to my ears about the cost avoidance. I know we've talked about it. Um the history over the years, a lot of times we hear people talk about cost avoidance, but we never get to see it, >> uh even what it may look like. Um so I'm glad to hear that. Um my personal thoughts on how they do with that if it's a lump sum, i.e. a building or a you know a sale of something or liquidation of something. If it's a lump sum then it goes to cap reserve. If it's an annual
049reoccurring savings then that helps offset this operating increase of 2 to 3%. >> That I mean to me I think that sounds pretty simple. Again 1% is roughly a million dollars round numbers. So if you save a million on reoccurring expenses, then that annual increase instead of being a 2 to 3%, it's a 1 to 2%. >> Y >> I'd just like to comment that I'm in favor of downsizing if it's appropriate on these schools, but we need to make sure that we are planning adequate space for growth that may continue to occur. I know that we are unique among many schools that are losing students. We are gaining students and I would hate to have us open with a um concern that we didn't build big enough. >> So I think we need to
050be cautious in reducing space. >> And I guess the question would be where are we experiencing most of the growth? Is it out in the hterlands or closer to town? >> Yeah, >> it's kind of >> you you'll see all that at the next presentation with the architects where we are with capacity >> and square foot. Okay. Any other thoughts, comments, ideas for new business? Good stuff. What again what I said earlier, that's why this item is on the agenda. Information uh 14.01 01 vacancy summary, 14.02 district enrollment summary, and next are some reports. Liu report, Mrs. Harbaugh, anything to report? Uh, just that we got a presentation at the meeting this month. They're going to be rolling out a new workflow automation, uh, resource tracking and, uh, customer management, vendor management for the LIU.
051So, basically, they're making it more user friendly. So, you'll be able to get on there and find things a lot easier. they will be a lot more manageable. You'll find all your things in one place. So, anything that Chambersburg is utilizing the LIU for will be in one dashboard. So, it will not be all over the place. So, everybody will know what Chambersburg is doing. Everyone will know what uh York is doing and it'll just be everything in one place so they can manage it a lot better. Um, and they're hoping that will help streamline it. That way also you can contact who you need to. Uh, that way you're not trying to guess, oh, I need this person or this person. and it's going to be a lot more streamlined for all the districts
052to have a better experience on the user end and then also for them dealing with their vendors as well. So that's uh they're hoping to get that rolling. They're working with uh global data here to help get that set up and build out and then they're um going to be working toward a July one roll out for that. So just keep your eyes out for that those of you that are utilizing that for the services. >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Harbo. 1404 Franklin Learning Center. Anything to report? >> Um, well, Mr. Hayduck is now the um vice president of the Franklin Learning Center board. >> I was trying to go under the the radar [laughter] on that. You got a pay raise, too. >> I did indeed. Worked every nickel. Congratulations. [laughter] >> Oh, is
053that all? >> No. Um as as was mentioned earlier that um there's a lot going on there in terms of reme remediating built some issues um mold and that kind of thing. Um from my point of view and and going back to what we talked Mr. Norcross talked about earlier special education is expensive >> and like the staff here the staff there is amazing. You get what you pay for and our kids deserve it. So, um I'm I'm delighted to be on that board. They they work really hard. >> Yeah. To uh take uh the infrastructure a little further. Um they did have some serious the HVAC was just aging and also there's environmental issues like mold. But the uh firm that they hired to uh do the upgrade and replace all that stuff is
054uh they guarantee energy savings. So if they aren't achieved, it comes out of the pocket of the firm. And so I thought that was an interesting innovative uh approach to that. They're also adding additional classrooms where there was a swimming pool in the past which will have more capability capacity to the uh LA Franklin Learning Center. And um I have uh not during the cold weather, but I have agreed to uh go in and observe a couple classes. Maybe not the whole day, but um someone invited me and told me, "You need to go in and observe a kindergarten autistic class. Everybody should do that." So, I'm not saying I'm that courageous, but uh I'm willing to go in and if anybody would like to uh accompany me uh whenever that is when I schedule
055it, I'll be glad to let you know. And if you'd like to join me, that'd be great. That's it. >> Thank you. >> Career Tech Center, Mrs. Goggler. >> I'd like to thank Mr. Haydek for attending the last uh joint operating committee meeting in Ed's absence. Um we are at full capacity as far as our staffing is concerned with the um new principal coming on board at the second semester and [clears throat] all the positions are filled. Applications are at a record high for programs at the career center and the interviewing process to select the students who will be going has started. Um the two new programs are filled for the first year students. So I think things are going very well at the career center. >> Do you have anything else, Carl, to add?
056>> No. No, I think you covered it all. I would like to mention though that uh having been there only one time, I did get a great box of cookies. So, sorry, Ed. Oh, >> I I would also mention that they are having a Saturday open house on February the 28th that's open to the public in addition to the um board tour that they're doing on the 20th. 20. Yeah, 20th. Okay. Item 140.06 disposal of books, equipment and supplies. And that information is also attached to the meeting. That meeting's adjourned. Thank you. 7:47. Thank you.