001If we were or if we were taking a large group of students that are being educated um outside of the district even in an IU program that would uh qualify as transfer between entity. >> My other question doesn't have any corrective action >> that this much. >> Yeah. >> So the indicators um where we miss the targets, they don't require improvement plans. They just require us to indicate what is our forward action. So what professional development or what things are we continuing to work on to get closer to the state targets for those things. um as a result of cyclical monitoring, which is something we'll have next school year, um where we're audited a little more deeply. Sometimes there's um there's action planning or improvement planning that comes out of that. So, if we were
002currently in a situation where we were on an improvement plan, that would have to be noted in that section, and we're just not in that situation right now. >> Well, I noticed it was by such a tiny amount. I don't know how you would identify where >> where you could fix that little little bit. Yeah, some of them were some of the percentages were rather small. Um, and some of that data is rather old as well. So, yeah. Um, I [clears throat] think I did reach out and ask for some more updated data just to get a better feel for where we are today. Um, and I was not provided that, just that that was something we needed to respond to. Um, I think our approach is really if there's an area, um, some in
003some cases the state target's very high, it's 100% and obviously we want to meet that. in some cases the target's lower and we want to exceed that. So even if we're not quite there, we we know we can do better. So um we're still kind of looking ahead and figuring out how we can address those those issues even without the most recent data. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Any other questions? >> Anybody else have any other questions? So you said we will approve that March 16th and then you have to submit it in April. >> Um it has to be submitted by May 1st. So after >> May 1st, that's what you said. >> After it's submitted on March 16th, um we need board president signature and Dr. Hartman to to sign
004one line through the web-based program. Um and ultimately the whole thing has to be submitted by May 1st. >> Gotcha. Very cool. Okay. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Okay. So, we're now at the first section of public comment. If anybody has any public comments referencing tonight's agenda specifically, please feel free to speak up. Okay. [clears throat] >> Oh, yeah. Sure. >> I know you are, but you are a district resident. >> Yes, ma'am. It should be just Yeah. Pull it a little closer to you just to make sure. I think it's hot. >> All right. >> There. Now we got you. >> All right. Most of I think know me. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Uh but there are a few new faces. My name is Diane Tyson and I'm a resident of
005the district and I have probably attended more schoolboard meetings uh over the last 25 years and all of you put together with the exception of Mrs. Grath. Um I want to address the board on the policy uh for changing athleting the athletic policy. Let me get my notes here. I was present for all of the 2023 discussions regarding this topic. At the time, the board chose to follow the law and to trust the administration to determine the eligibility when the PIAA defers to the school. The current established policy was passed 5 to one via a motion by Mrs. CAPTA and seconded by Mrs. Towbridge and the desenterer is no longer on the board. The current policy states the program of intercolastic athletics shall be made available to all students in alignment with equal opportunity standards
006of federal, state, and school district authorities and the Pennsylvania Interscolastic Athletic Association. With over 4,000 students currently enrolled, the policy on the agenda for discussion affects, to my knowledge, zero of them. The district goals for the next three years are for students to improve achievement and close learning gaps, to recruit, retain, and recognize staff, [snorts] to continue to monitor facilities, and to enhance engagement and communication with the CV community. I question the use of the board and frankly my valuable time since I'm here with you every meeting uh to discuss an issue that is addressed in the 2025 federal title 9 guidance and subsequent PIAA policy changes that the CV policy is to respect and follow. I urge you to make your discussions brief and to move swiftly to address address issues that directly impact
007our current students who are here today. Please use your time to actively advance the mission and goals of this district and not those of outside influences. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] >> Yes. >> You are a district resident. >> I am. >> Okay. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Can you state your name? >> Sure. My name is Angie Chelton. So, my name is Angie Chelton. I live in the Ola and I'm a parent of five kids in this district, including two teenage girls who play on the CV lacrosse, softball, and basketball teams. I have a few things to share about this proposed athletics policy in the agenda, and I promise I will try to be brief. First, please stop insinuating that the athletes I am raising would never be able to compete against a trans
008girl. This is insulting and it doesn't reflect reality. Although there is an 80s level satanic panic in some school boards lately, I hope not this one that trans girls will steal all the athletic scholarships and make it impossible for sis girls to compete. This is untrue. In December of 2024, NCAA President Charlie Baker testified before the US Senate that he was aware of fewer than 10 transgender athletes in all of the student athletes currently competing in a in a NCAA program. So that's 510,000 students. Outsports, a publication that highlights LGBTQIA athletes, lists around 47 known trans athletes who have competed in college sports. Trans athletes stealing scholarships from sis girls is not a realistic issue. Please don't buy into a pretend problem that will require valuable time and resources to create a pretend solution. I'm
009also a licensed therapist in the state of Pennsylvania. From a mental health perspective, policies that single out or exclude transgender kids are not neutral. They cause measurable harm. Trans and gender diverse youth already face significantly higher rates of anxiety, depression, self harm, and suicidality. Supportive environments, including schools that allow students to exist without constant scrutiny, are associated with lower risk and better outcomes. There is no credible evidence that trans-inclusive policies increase harm to other students. There is strong evidence that rejection, surveillance, and public debate like this over a child's legitimacy increases psychological distress. When adults argue about whether a child belongs, the child hears one message. You are a problem. Please don't single out queer kids and create policies that will prevent them from flourishing. Queer kids are not a threat to their peers. Policies
010that make them seem like a threat, are contrary to reality. In fact, these students desperately need and deserve our support and care. Finally, I am also the pastor of Pilgrims Menanite Church in Akran, PA. I don't believe that the faith perspective of any religion should be mixed in with civic institutions. But since Christian nationalists insist on treating school boards, city councils, and legislatures as extensions of the pulpit, let's be clear, the gospel does not ask Christians to control the policies of public institutions. Jesus did not call us to seize government power and to enact our way through policy. He called us to humility, to service, to truthtelling, and to care for the vulnerable. Forcing a narrow theological interpretation onto public school policy, especially when it harms children, is not faithfulness, it's coercion. I implore you
011to think of the real demonstrable needs of the vulnerable students in your care. Girls don't need you to defend to defend them from imaginary hordes of trans athletes. that LGBTQIA students need you to care for them as they learn and grow under your supervision. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] Any other comments? Anybody want to take a chance to share? Okay, thank you for those that did. Um on to our action discussion items. We have the approval of the superintendent report. >> Move to approve the superintendence report. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any naysay or abstensions? Nope. Okay. Um and then we have the review of a BAA grant for softball. Hello, I'm Shannon Soul. I'm the BAA secretary filling in for Shelly tonight. She is sick at
012home. >> Okay. >> Um the grant that we are proposing is for a windscreen for the softball field. Um the I believe it's quote number two and the amount is $976. >> Do you need do you need approval on this tonight or >> No, we're going to come back next week for the approval. This is just to present the grant. >> Okay. Any questions about that particular one? That's pretty straightforward. >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Uh we have a review for the proposal for Valley Voice CSPA conference um overnight trip to New York. I I'd like to say that I found this to be a really complete application. um not necessarily in the best order, but it was all there and it would be a good um starting point for
013us to come up with a specific application form. >> Sure. >> Very well done. Very complete. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um I'm Jana Lap. I teach journalism at the high school and I will be going on the trip along with Mel Upton. And if you have any uh questions, please let me know. Um but hopefully all the details should be there. C can I ask the the money that the students uh will be uh providing towards this were they given an opportunity to uh do any fundraising for that or is everyone reaching into their parents' pockets? >> So students are responsible for their hotel rooms for one night and for food and subway costs. Everything else is covered for them. They were offered if they had financial need they could ask for support. Um,
014and a few of them did take up that opportunity and that was just covered from grant money and things like that. We decided as Valley Voice not to do fundraising for this particular trip, but if we do this again in the future, that could be an option. >> Could I ask the superintendent? I I see a piece this is coming out of their uh department budget. >> Do they have the uh freedom to use it for anything like that? It's only for a few students. I mean once they get their budget do they have the freedom to use it as they feel necessary? >> We have typically when when we have students with financial need we have different means we can look into like princ like we we allocate some funds from different sources for
015that principal has some extra money in their bill. >> I wasn't necessarily thinking of students in need. I was thinking the amount that the the English department is go language studies department has chosen to cover from their budget. >> Sure. that could ultimately come out of the budget process if that's something if that chooses to. Typically something like the English department budget would go to academic curricular programs for the most part, not extracurriculars. But um but they could could be that could be an English department decision that they could propose. >> Okay. >> And it is something that we uh set aside funds for. So um whenever we made the budget for this year, I had requested a certain amount to be used for this field trip. And so that was what that was in
016the budget already to be used for that. >> Yeah. Well, I was pleased that you found some grant money. >> Yes. Yes. >> Any other questions? >> Um, and we do we need to approve this tonight? No, it's all good. Should be a fun trip. >> Yeah, looking forward to it. We went for one day last time, so this is our first overnight, so should be good. >> Very cool. Very cool. Awesome. Thank you. and getting an adab boy from my debt for a well pres or well-written one is also those aren't handed out easily so well done. >> Um you also have next we have the review of the Fritz Elementary renovation bids. >> Ken, you may need to turn that mic on. Chris, >> which document? >> Uh, you can start with the
017recommendation letter and then Yeah. So, on Thursday, we brought in the bids uh for Fritz Elementary School. Um, we bid an additional prime this time um from when we did Leola, which is the roofing contract. So, we did the general, mechanical, plumbing, electrical, food service, and roofing. Um our recommendation letter there consists of each of the parent low biders uh for each of those prime contracts along with their um low bid amount. Also included is one alternate that we are recommending which is there under the general construction contract which is alternate number one which is a mill and overlay of the rear parking lot behind the gym. Uh that's listed there to be added to the general construction contract. Otherwise, there aren't any other alternates uh recommendations uh for uh tonight. Uh in addition, on
018Thursday, we brought in an asbestous bid separately. Um and then also received input or or pricing for a separate purchase program for the mechanical equipment that we've done previously on um the other jobs which allows the district to um both save and actually improve the schedule uh by purchasing the mechanical and the controls separately. That's not listed on this letter as it wasn't part of the the public bid process. Uh the other document that is in um your packet is the bid tab and we can go through that. But what it lists is it lists every uh contractor that bid. We had on a couple of the primes we had just two biders but on some others we had uh three, four or five biders. Uh yeah, that's the middle one there. And it'll list
019a summary sheet. So if again at the very top there the summary sheet uh lists what is on our recommendation letter for a contract total there on the bottom right are of about 28 uh.1 million. Each of the following sheets uh is for each prime. So it lists the all the bids uh plus their alternates if there was an alternate bid as well. And I can go through anything in depth um or dig into any of those prime contracts if you would like. Um, and then on the back of that sheet or that PDF there also includes the asbestous bids that we received. Uh, that's the last one there. So, we received five bids there u with the recommended one. All the recommended amounts are highlighted in yellow. When we did Leola, we were fortunate
020that uh the winning bids were generally from contractors we were familiar with and had a positive attitude towards and that really did pay off. >> So my question here is uh is this a similar situation or are these all new contractors that we're not overly familiar with? >> There's a mix here of people that we have. There's two contractors on here that we have on Lyola currently. Um the a third one that was on the middle school and uh a roofing contractor that we're very familiar with and the one that has not been on a project here uh is the general contractor. So we've placed multiple calls on that. [clears throat] >> Probably should clarify that they've not been on a major project. >> Yeah, you that's true. they they've been here to support the
021the HVAC projects that we did this past summer. Um, but we've done some due diligence in reaching out to uh other school districts and and architects and designers and have gotten nothing but glowing recommendations back. So, um, they've done work in Epherta, Gettysburg, uh, Cumberland, Central Dolphin, Central Dolphin. Uh, so they've done some larger work in in other districts. >> I hope it works out that way. Yeah. [laughter] And our asbesus abatement uh consultant um he has reached out to the low bidder there as well. And again he's worked with them. Um Christopher and his firm has also worked with them on a project school district of Lancaster. >> Uh Langster Catholic >> Langster Catholic. So they're the only one that I'm not familiar with. Uh, everybody else in there except for Unlimited, I've, you
022know, had limited experience with them, but everybody else I've worked with over the years. Any other questions for these guys? Um, were any of the picture I can't I can't remember if any of the pictures of Leola were attached in this report. I don't think they were, but >> yeah, this is just Leola's coming together really really well. So, uh, the board will most likely get a chance to tour that again. um first or second meeting in April because by then I think some furniture will have shown up and stuff. So um and I'm very familiar with that school with uh my own children. So I'll be excited to see the catacombs looking a little less catacomby. [laughter] >> Some more color down in the basement um and some of those giant pillars going in
023the rooms are that already looks really good. So thanks for putting all this together. Yeah, >> appreciate it. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Uh, next we have a review of the public school facility improvement grant resolution. >> Hi, good evening. So, back in November, you approved an agreement between CV and a company named GSL to help us uh work in applying for facility renovation related projects to get some grant money from the state. Uh they notified us recently of a grant opening. Uh it's called the public school facility improvement grant and uh last month Ken Johnson uh presented to you some uh projects through the budget process for uh two high school chillers and also the high school uh some roofing projects. Those two qualify for this particular uh grant. Uh
024and so GSL has asked us to approve a resolution which authorizes Dr. Hartman and myself to execute any documents as we go through this grant process. >> Pretty short, sweet, to the point, I think. >> Yeah. Any questions on that? >> No. >> Do we have Do we have some place in particular where we're planning on using this? >> Yeah, the high high school chillers. >> I'm sorry. >> The high school chillers. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we'll be uh replacing those this summer if we get it through the budget. And then also some high school roofing projects. Now, the Fritz Elementary projects, uh, we're going to be applying for, uh, redevelopment assistance construction program grant monies. RACKP. Uh, so that's timing of this for both grants has just lined up perfectly. >> Good. So, we'll
025keep our fingers crossed that uh, they can get us a lot of grant money. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> Thank you, >> All right. a review of the calendars for the 26 27 and 2728 school years. >> Okay, good evening. Quick change to the 2627 calendar. So, the board had approved this last February. Um, we made three changes. One is we moved elementary conferences back to November. what we would like to do with the implementation of the new elementary progress report. We would like to have conferences in the fall and then you can see we added conferences again in the spring. So there will be two opportunities for students and families to meet with teachers. Um because the new progress report is really evidence and artifactbased that discussion with families is the most important part.
026So you'll see date changes for 2627 there. And then we just made a change to the makeup days. Um we are not going to use President's Day moving forward as a makeup day. Uh it just created some scheduling things with a lot of different stakeholders. So we're going to um we put a different day in there for that snow makeup day. So it's one of our collaboration days that we can bump to the summer if we need to. So that's 2627. That's just a couple of adjustments. And then this is the first look at your 2728 school year. very very similar to the 26 27 almost exactly the same with just a bump of a couple of days. So similar format similar number of early dismissals professional development similar structure to the one the 2627
027>> refresh my memory which two calendars did we approve originally? >> 2526 this current year and then 2627 was your first you approved that last February. This is our revision. Okay. To remember, >> so if you recall, we we made a transition last year to uh wanting to approve calendars a year in advance uh for planning reasons for our families. We've gotten a lot of positive feedback uh from community members on that. So, our plan is to always we will still be approving a district calendar annually, but it will be for not the upcoming school year, but the year following that. So, we're always staying ahead of our approved district calendar. So that that was a significant shift and I believe we're probably the only school district in Lancaster County who does that uh to
028my knowledge. But but u they said we've we've gotten positive feedback when you're trying to plan things like grad family coming in for graduation and stuff like that. The more uh we can give advanced notice the better. And calendars don't really change too much from year to year. So there's no reason we can't we can't be approving them in advance. And every now and then there's a little tweak that needs to be made. They said the the revisions for 20 for next school year aren't aren't changing any days schools closed or anything like that. It's just changing dates of parent conferences. So I have a question. So I for I'm going to use my own kids as an example. So I have kids in elementary school and I have kids in the middle a son
029in the middle school. Well we'll be the high school next year. the feedback from that with parents that had kids in two separate buildings that was generally okay because to me it makes me feel like you're making we may be making parents take off an additional day that may not necessarily be needed if all schools were open or if all those schools were closed considering like for me I have a kid in one school and two other boys in another school but the calendar committee didn't seem to get anything any other feedback from that >> the other the feedback we got when the middle school conferences and elementary conferences were combined were actually that it put a lot of strain on families like yours that had students at both levels in both buildings because they
030were trying to fit their conference appointments in at two different schools, two different locations in similar hours and similar time frames. So that would have been one of the other pieces of feedback we considered in this um in moving the elementary back to the November again. >> Okay. And then my other question is I think until this well the when you guys approved the calendar for two years in a row is this the first time that we've had it where the the schools two different school buildings have been open and one has been closed. Is this the first goaround of this? Because I don't remember when I was on the previous board >> that being it was always they were all off or they were all half day. My question is what's changed in two
031years to to have different buildings open different closed at this different times >> since before >> conference days? >> Yeah. And all that stuff like what has changed what what made us go from what we did previously to this? >> Yeah. Mostly it's driven by the family teacher conferences and the times that they fit. So middle school uh two years ago, Don went back to marking periods. So when middle school shifted from it was when everything lined up on a trimester, >> right? The end of the trimester, the time that you would have conversations with families were the same. When middle school went back to marking periods to follow the high school uh reporting time frame, that's when they shifted the conferences back to October to line up with the end of that first marking
032period. And then elementary, we're still on the trimester reporting. And so that kept our conferences on the trimester schedule. >> Got it. Thank you. >> The first thing I did when I looked at it was scroll down to the last day of school and glad to see that it's in May for both years. So good. [laughter] >> Yes. Thank you. >> The only other note I had which isn't necessarily a calendar comment but kind of like the activity the start of school activity stuff is I remember this past year I think it was there was an like a back to school night at one of the elementary schools. It might have been Fritz that >> Mhm. >> like ran into something else and then we had to pick and ch we had to pick and
033choose like >> no >> which kid gets priority. >> Absolutely. >> Which we do all the time as parents but they don't need to hear those conversations. So >> the question [laughter] would be is it is it possible to try to watch those alignments? >> Absolutely. Okay. >> Absolutely. Yep. That's something as an admin team when Katie Odell sends out uh the calendar for the fall dates, we have gotten better in May at getting together and looking at all those nights and making sure that they're not overlapping. That feedback we have heard loud and clear from families. Absolutely. >> Yeah, I know there's lots of families that have multiple kids in multiple buildings and trying to balance all that can be can be challenging. >> Yes. >> Um awesome. Very cool. Any other questions about
034the calendar? >> No. Okay, cool. This will be on consent next week then. >> Awesome. >> Very cool. Thanks, Joe. >> The next item um actually references something specifically from for you IDE last meeting where we talked about um when we have policies that have gone through the approval process with recommended changes and the policy committee meets and discusses them. When it gets back to the board, we don't mention anything about the ones that were approved without changes. So we have in here it says triple O policies were reviewed and determined that no changes were necessary uh which is following discussion this item last review date and board docks. So does that is that kind of what you're intending? >> Absolutely. That's what I did not intend was for us to approve a uh a
035policy review cycle and then the first half year we get there we violate it. >> Right? >> That makes no sense to me. I mean this is not a big deal with this particular policy but I feel as if if we bothered to set a calendar we should stick with it. I mean this is the first quarter we've used it and already we're breaking away according to that that review cycle. Uh in the third quarter which is what we're in right now we would do the 700 series which is what we're doing. And the next quarter is set aside was the previous quarter for any new policies out of out of order that we get from PSBA. Any policies because of circumstances we decide we want to change. >> So I I know this one
036seems small, but it just seems to me that if we're going to make put a process in place, we ought to follow it. It just makes no sense. So I am moving making a motion to move this item to the April agenda in accordance with policy review cycle approved by the board the board and to avoid violating our own approval process. >> You're talking about the triple0ero policies. Yes. >> Uh which which >> well we're talking about the triple O and I have made a motion to put that item off. >> Gotcha. to where it fits into our policy. >> Sure. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. >> Do we need a roll call for that or we just >> That's up to you if you think it's going to >> All
037those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Okay. Any nays? Okay. We'll put it back in policy review. Uh back where it should be. Okay. So, next will be the discussion of the proposed new policy 123. There are two attachments um which have been attached publicly. Um and Phil, you kind of started that one on the 20th. >> Can I can I move ahead, please? >> Sure. >> For the same reason, I'm recommending that we put this policy off until the fourth quarter. uh in this case there's a secondary reason why it makes sense and I don't want to steal Phil's uh discussion but right now there are there is a um a case before the Supreme Court which means once they decide what should be the law of the land we'll just have
038to make our policy match it because we always follow the law. So by putting this off to where it is supposed to be in the agenda, we also give ourselves the advantage of not having to visit this policy twice in one cycle. So that is my motion that this also be moved. >> So there's a motion to move the discussion of 123 into >> you said 4th 4th April. >> Okay. >> Yes. For clarification, that would be in alignment with when we have scheduled 100s to be reviewed next. >> Now, the 100s now are in the the ne the quarter after that. >> Correct. The fourth quarter. >> Yeah. But because it's out of order, I'm perfectly happy in doing in April. If not, we can wait. Well, that's April to June. So, uh, you
039know, if we wanted to wait till July, we could, especially if you wanted to wait to get word from the Supreme Court what we should do. which for those of you that weren't here in 2024 when we spent six months with this, that was one of our our our biggest reasons uh for having a uh a more moderate policy because we wanted to make sure we followed the law. It was awfully hard to know what the law was because every what every couple weeks a different court ruled differently. And now it's finally going to get to the Supreme Court. So we will know definitively what we're supposed to do. And I c and I quite frankly just want whatever they decide is fine with me. I just want to know what we're supposed to do.
040>> Well, and I know one of the kind of like I mentioned at the beginning knowing that the 100 series was coming up. One of the things we were going to do was um if it needed to be introduced tonight, it would fall in line with that regular policy review schedule anyway when the hundreds come up which so it would the agreement is that it would fall into the usual review policy. So the policy review team would review all the 100s this would be included goes through all we don't want to deviate from that schedule for sure. We want it to follow the same first second reading that whole that whole thing. So the proposal >> motion I'm hoping I'll get is at least a second. >> Gotcha. So your motion is to put off
041even discussion of this until uh until it comes up in the review schedule. Yeah. >> Either April or July when April or July uh >> people proposing it would prefer to discuss it and possibly thinking whether or not the Supreme Court >> will rule. >> Yeah, I was going to say get off their butts, but I won't say that. >> Well, you just did, so everybody heard it. I'm hoping for a second. >> So the Yeah, just to clarify since there's a lot of words, the motion is to put off the discussion of this until its proper review series, which would be the April June time frame. Is there a second? >> I would second that because I don't want to have to talk about it 35 more times. >> Sure. Okay, then let's do
042a roll call vote. Mrs. Grath, >> I >> Mr. Benigno, >> no. >> Dr. Martin, >> hi. >> Mr. Eie, >> no. >> Mrs. Capka, >> no. >> Mrs. Fischer, >> I >> Miss Gibler, >> no. >> Mr. Gensel, >> I have a 44 vote. >> What's that? >> We have a 44 vote. high sales. >> My understanding of that policy review is one to make sure eyes are dotted, te's are crossed, any change in updating and wording and every time we get a new law that gets passed or comes down from PSBA, that's when we immediately do it. We don't have like the the review thing is there to make sure the cobblelets are cleaned out, the shelves are dusted, but any additional special things that you want to do can be done at
043any time. >> Mhm. >> So, >> no, that's absolutely true. They any board member has the right to bring up any policy for review at any time. Um just because we have a schedule for review doesn't mean it has to be reviewed. um >> in this particular situation. The motion that was just passed uh now has that being pushed off until its normal review cycle. So, we'll have to wait a couple months till a normal review for the policy 100s to come up. Um they'll be reviewed and then maybe by then we'll have some more information. >> So, it was a tie. It doesn't mean it gets pushed. >> Right. >> Correct. >> Yeah. What does it mean in a tiebreaker? >> We haven't had that happen before. >> Right. That's what I'm saying. Oh,
044the motion didn't pass. Okay. Gotcha. So, my apologies. I took that the wrong way. >> So, we're talking about it. >> Yeah. >> Okay, good. >> Um, I just want to comment um and I appreciate IDA and her opinion as always. Uh, my personal opinion is is that we've been kicking this can down the road for 3 years now. And, uh, we've been dealing with this over and over. The thought of continuing to kick it down the road to me is just redundant. Um things have changed since 220 2023 um >> 24 sorry there are big there's been a couple big changes first PIAA who is in charge of our intercol ethics has changed their policy um Mr. Dr. Eie, we'll get into that in a little bit. Um, also, uh, there is a presidential
045executive order in place, which is different from 2024. In 2023, we have several schools in the area that have already done this. Um, Henfield being one, Pen Manor being another, several in York, Lebanon, I can go on and on and on. So my [snorts] why bringing this was because I thought that by doing this now we would simply be aligning our policy with current PIAA intercolctive policy which as Mr. Eie will go on a little bit here. So there are two proposals that we can discuss tonight. One is 123.3 with accommodation. The other is 123.3 without accommodation. Everything is there for your review. I know tonight is not a vote and that's fine. And even if this the majority of the board does want to move forward on this, this policy would not be would
046not take place until the 100s are reviewed. So whether we talk about it February 9th or we talk about it April 9th, it doesn't matter. It's not going to get done through our format and through our processes and through our legal counsel until then. Anyhow, so everybody has what they have to review. Um, there are some accommodations in the one, there are some accommodation, there are no accommodations in the other. And Mr. Eie, if you want to talk about the PIAA or scholasticity, please feel free to do so. >> Yeah, I was just going to say there was no PIAA policy until it was I think April last year or something, correct? that um that that they adopted their uh policy and I think what Mr. Benigno has here uh basically aligns with the policy
047that they've adopted. >> Uh I I'd like to see a policy of how PIAA worded it. I haven't seen that. >> Mr. Eie has that. >> I'm sorry. What? >> Phil has that policy. >> Okay. Uh the other thing is there's a big difference between what PIAA says and what the office of the OCR says. Uh right now we're dealing with nonetheless of those um directives that are legal. >> They also are conflicting. >> Well, right, >> the PIA just adds another piece to that mixed up puzzle. Uh my question [clears throat] I I went over this and I've got it all marked up. My first question is >> did you re reference uh there's a footnote uh for the uh CSA I'm sorry the CFR correct in one of the footnotes. Did you check
048that out? >> Do you have a copy of that or do you know what that is? The CFR. >> Yeah, I I have that here. Hold on. So this the CFR it's the same wording. So where it says guidelines, it says it is the policy of this district that athletic teams and sports shall not be segregated on the basis of irrelevant qualifications such as sex, color, religion, ancestry, national origin. That is the same wording that's in the CFR. >> Okay. Um did you check this out for any uh conflict with any of the wording in 123 or 448.1? >> [snorts] >> You mean our current 123? >> Excuse me. >> You said 123 and our current 123. >> Yeah. >> There's no our current 123 is very vague. So there is no comparison. It just
049says what is fair when we pass that in 2023. Again, we're now 2 years and the excuse 2 years ago was well the PIAA hasn't they don't know what they're doing yet. Well, here we go. Now we have it. It's in our policy. >> No, it's not in our policy. >> The 123.1 or just 123 that is fine and dandy, but this is more detail underneath that. Correct. >> So, you say you want to buy a car. Well, I'm going to ask you follow-up questions. Do you want a sedan? Do you want a truck? An SUV? Like, there's other stuff, more details. There's more. >> So, yes, we want more details and more and not vague and gray. >> Correct. So, >> well, for for for 123, if PIAA has changed uh some of their
050wording, then we would have to go back and fix that up, too. >> Phil, do you want to read the wording from PIAA so Mrs. Gra could hear it? >> I need to see it. I'm not a good Oh, it's >> Oh, well, hold on. Oh, you want to read it then send it? Why don't you read it and then send it to them both, please? Do you need help? >> Is it that long? >> No, [laughter] I think he's just finding it. >> It's like 110 pages. >> Thanks. >> The whole policy. Uh, PIAA strongly supports and encourages participation by both boys and girls in intercolastic athletics based upon real and demonstrable physical and competitive differences between similarly aged and trained boys and girls in athletic performances. PIAA recognizes that combining genders for competition
051purposes would have a chilling effect on female participation in interchoolastic athletics. PIAA further rec recognizes that historically girls participation has been much more limited than boys participation to participation by the historically underrepresentative gendered in the fair competitive environment. PIAA therefore classifies sports by gender and limits mixed gender participation. And then it it goes on. >> That doesn't I I maybe didn't hear real well. That didn't sound quite as >> Yeah, >> I'll email it to you. >> Yeah, please do. That that'd be much easier. Uh it it seems to me that uh we're going to have if we pass this, we need to go back and review all of our other related policies. That's fine. All all the way through to our non-discrimination based on uh >> check. So sometimes we specify that uh gender
052uh identity is not to be considered in other places at at the same time we turn around and say well then we do have to consider gender identity. Uh the same is true with um what [snorts] what's referred to as differential treatment. Um I'm not sure I understand um how and we discussed this before and these are just the the places where I think we need to specify um >> the issue of original birth certificates. Uh you must treat all ch kids the same. That means everybody has to provide them. >> Correct. And they provide birth certificate when they register for kindergarten. And our but our concern was um foreign students, students from other states that allow them to change their birth certificate. >> So they would show us a birth certificate that identified one
053gender >> and we would not know that that had been changed. Um, another issue, um, well, I I think we sort of, uh, don't follow what we're saying. It says the policy of this district that athletic teams and sports shall not be se segregated on the basis of irrelevant classifications such as color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation or gender identity. And then just below that, we do that very thing we say we're not going to do. So, you know, at some point we have to make up our mind if we're wearing shoes on our left or our right feet. Well, I think what it is is saying it the purpose and then what the situation entails after that. And I think >> Yeah, but but when you read that, it says we won't do
054it. >> Well, that's why we're talking about that's this is not what this is. What this here is is an example. >> No, this is not I get it. I was just I was just checking that out. Um >> either way, >> my other question is we talk about about sports being specifically male or specifically female. >> But we don't say that. I mean, this goes back what generations when football, nobody thought twice about it. It's a boys team. Field hockey, nobody thought twice about it. It's [snorts] a girls team. But to fully use these, we need to go back. >> Sure. >> And rename every one of our teams as to whether or not it's specifically boys, girls, or mixed. >> Is that true? >> They are. I mean, >> yeah, >> they all
055are. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They're all mixed. No, they're all labelled. We report every single sport we have gets reported to PIAA if it's a boy. >> Is it labeled? No, because anything I've seen it just referred to. >> No, it is. >> Okay. >> So, >> um I I have some concerns about how you decide if a boy's been in puberty. I don't want to get into it now, but that seemed like a a difficult uh hill to climb for me. >> Well, that would be for the accommodation section. That would be >> and then what that and then it say it states in there if the child has gone through puberty they have to get a note from their doctor. So who do we demand that from >> and the student?
056>> Somebody needs to explain to me how a doctor can tell and >> how a doctor can tell. >> If I can just put a pause on that real quick just because before we get into any of those types of things, this still has to go to um our solicitor for legal review. Anyway, >> and we all know that lawyers love red pen, so I'm sure there'll be plenty. Um there's also other considerations as well. Um we have our athletic director as well doing the input for that. So there's several things that we would put this through anyway for that review. So >> the last issue I I would want to see um addressed is uh gym classes. It talks about contact sports. I don't know how we're going to address what they're allowed to
057do in gym class and what they're not allowed to do. These are just over overarching issues that are they're going to come up that when we make a change I think we need to make sure we've covered all our bases >> and I agree but I don't know if gym class is considered contact is that Dr. Dr. Hortman. >> Well, it says contact. >> That's why I'm asking if Jim is considered that. Is that considered a contact? >> Gym class. >> I don't know why would or would it be considered >> I don't think that's the the gym classes of our past or not. The gym classes of today. >> Yeah. >> My daughter walked in middle school for a gym class. >> Yeah. This is not meant to restrict the district from maintaining co-ed
058gym classes. So, if you have co-ed gym classes, uh, are you going to specify what sports can be played in those gym classes? >> Do we? >> No, it would just be co-ed. >> It's just co-ed. >> It's just one of many. As I read this, all these questions that came up through my mind, uh, you're >> I agree that that's among them. I think um as we discuss this, when we make a decision one way or the other or the Supreme Court does for us, we need to make sure we go back and comb through all the other policies that it applies to and make them more specific. >> Correct. And that would be >> that's all I'm saying is and there's a huge amount. I mean, I I I dug out uh what
059I had and the latest thing I had was dated 2024 when we passed this, right? And uh back then the legal rulings we got were contradictory sometimes. >> Uh the the uh the organizations that have um authority over us >> had different positions. The only thing that's changed is PIAA. >> Mhm. >> And u >> and an executive order. >> So I I I just bring all this up more as a matter of these are the things we have to look at. >> Correct. And we understand that. And we understand that the wording in this may or may not change. I'm not saying that this is gospel. That's not what I'm >> Yeah. >> But I go ahead. >> I was just going to say I'm really struggling with what exactly we're discussing right now
060because from a top down perspective, none of this goes anywhere without the solicitor giving it the green light. >> We're we're going bottom up and we're getting in the weeds talking about details that have zero relevance right now. Well, and I think that's why Mark wanted to bring this up to see where the if the board tonight wants to move. >> Well, we're not going to go tit for tat on it. >> Well, that's Yeah, that's what we'll do. So, I mean, with the motion failing, it's clear that we'll >> we'll put this into the review process. So, it will go to solicitor for >> um his perspective on that. Um there'll be further review. We'll put it into the normal review cycle. So, when the hundreds come up, so it'll be part of the
061policy committee. Uh which means that with that normal review cycle, there'll be plenty of time for more public input as well. Um first reading, second reading, all of that as normal. So we want to make sure we're on the up and up with all that. >> I agree. >> Um so that's what we'll do. >> Yeah, I I I would note that by the time we get a legal ruling, we'll be into that that cycle anyway. >> Yeah. I mean, we we can't forget. >> Well, we're expecting a May June time frame if we go to pass this around that time frame anyway. >> Sure. and we'll just yeah, we'll keep obviously I'm sure if the Supreme Court can make a decision that will become uh everybody's phones will light up pretty quick on that.
062>> I just want to make it clear that I think we need to be cognizant of the time that we're spending on this and the time that we've already spent on it. >> Agreed. >> So, >> agreed. Yep. >> Yeah. And that's and fine. That's I appreciate that, but again, things have changed. So, we we have to move with the changes as well. >> Sure. >> And I'm done. Thank you. If >> I could just just add a point of clarity before we move on. Um just for a lot of dates were thrown dates and years were being thrown around and I just want to make sure everybody's clear and on the same page. Policy 123 was just revised in December of 2025. We we just reviewed policy 123. It wasn't uh so just that's
063not a opinion on anything. Just dating just so we're clear because I I heard different dates being thrown out. We just verified that was part of our last review cycle, not 123.3, which is what the board is discussing tonight, but policy 123 was >> in general >> was just uh revised and and approved in December of 2025. And also just, you know, I I know we were uh talking about Supreme Court cases. Just want everybody to be aware and keep in mind uh even with a clear decision that decision may not be an edict for this is what schools should do or this is what states should do. Uh what the Supreme Court's going to be ruling on is the two states I think it's West Virginia and >> Washington I believe. Yeah. >> U
064whether or not their policies as written are constitutional or not. So the the end result of that might not be uh here's what the Supreme Court is saying school district should approve. So I don't I don't know. Just want to be clear on that. I'm certainly not a constitutional lawyer. >> U let's hope they're more specific, >> right? >> But I guess my message is we may not want to hold our breath on getting a clear this is what you need to be doing or this is what the law says you should be doing. It's going to be ruling on current state policies that are that have risen to the level of the Supreme Court, >> which is what we pay our solicitor to advise us on. >> Correct. >> Okay. Well, let's move off
065of that. Um, then we just have the tenative board agenda for February 17th. So, keep in mind that one. Um this is the last time for public comments just in general um on anything whether it was related to this agenda or not. Does anybody have anything they'd like to share in closing? No. Okay. Um any other board initiatives or anything uh that the board has that they want to bring up discussion? Okay. So then I will take a motion to move to executive session to discuss superintendent uh it's superintendent goal updates. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Meeting closed.