ESASD Regular Board Meeting (October 20)

001opponent >> here. >> Rich Lambs >> present. >> Eight present. >> Okay. Thank you. And welcome to all of our guests and uh please be sure if you are here present with us tonight, if you please, if you haven't done so, sign the attendance form that's outside the door. Thank you. An executive session was held on October 2nd, 2025 for the purpose of discussing personnel and an executive session was held this evening before the meeting for the purpose of discussing personnel litigation and negotiations. We need a motion to adopt this agenda for October 20th, 2025 as submitted with the board of education reserving the right to add to the agenda and take further action on any items raised in executive session where immediate action on such items is considered to be in the best interest

002of the district. >> So moved second. >> Questions? All in favor? I opposed. >> And a motion to approve the minutes of the September 15, 2025 board meeting. Motion second. >> Questions? All in favor? I >> opposed. Okay. Move on to our wonderful students who are here today. So, uh Dylan and Lawrence from High School North. >> Does he have your >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Does he have your report? Good evening everybody. Um I'm Lawrence Cruz and this is Dylan Perry. We're from High School North and this is East Jawsburg North October highlights. >> So first we're going to start with academics. >> What do you need? >> Yeah. Listen, there's no hurry. >> We are fine. >> We're here all night. >> While we're waiting, anyone have a good joke? >> No. Why is

003it dark in here? >> Is that the joke? Was it >> No, it's it's like there's some lights that are off. >> Some people are squinting out there from the dark side. The lights are lights in the middle. >> We want more lights in the audience. Going once. >> Okay. Well, okay. >> Going twice. >> Saving electric in the dark. >> But I don't want people's vision going bad from the dark. >> These lights. >> Thank you for thinking of that. >> I'm concerned for the public and our our staff, our people. >> We appreciate that. Thank you. [Music] >> It was a beautiful day today. >> That's beautiful. It poured all >> in the pans. So like moon start. So, what did the community say when the horse moved in? >> Oh, no. >>

004They welcomed him to the neighborhood. >> What? The ne the horse to the neighborhood. >> They welcomed him to the neighborhood. Secretello is going to do very >> that will be in the minutes forever. >> Correct. Poor Patricia has to write that out. >> And she probably smile every time. >> Is that a yes or a nay? >> Yes. >> Thank you for saving us. >> Thank you. >> So we can start the beginning then. Good evening everybody. We This is Lawrence Cruz and Dylan Perry from East Charles Strawsburg North and these are our October highlights. First thing we want to start with is our academics. First thing we had going on recently was our juniors took the PSATs um which is very important test we take, you know, test our readiness and we are

005we appreciate their effort and preparation as they continue building to their college readiness. I had a couple conversations with people after the PSATS. There was a lot of mixed reactions. Um, but I did hear a lot of a lot of, you know, confidence. So, I'm I'm I'm looking forward to their scores coming back soon, which will be coming out this Thursday. Next, recently, for the first time in a few years, we had our Senator for a Day field trip, which is a field trip where students get to u meet with Senator Rosemary Brown and learn a little bit more about the process of like lawmaking and they get to debate other students. And it's overall an amazing experience for anyone interested in political science or interested in any like pretty much anything about like voting,

006how laws work. And it was amazing to have the opportunity to participate this in in this again. And like I'm very happy that um we we got to do it because all the students I talked to about it loved it and I'm excited to see how far the students can go with it especially in the the future years. So next is the arts. We've had a lot of stuff going on in music program this week or this month. First off, we had the Moravian um conducting master class for the corral. Um these students were lucky enough to be able to go to Moravian because our choir teacher um Mr. Labar is an alumni and they were able to be taught more about conducting, how to interpret a conductor and become a overall stronger corral. And

007I think this opportunity was really good for the students to branch out and become better musically. Next, we had our annual Hall of Fame concert. Um, every year we have the Hall of Fame concert, and the Hall of Fame juggles between the two schools. At this concert, the choir, the treble choir, the corral, and the band all perform. So, it's kind of a jam-packed concert. Um before the concert we had the music hall of fame where we inducted the 2012 North competitive marching band and Brian Krinsky in music hall of fame who were both incredibly musically and I I think it's great to celebrate accomplishments at North that are even going all the way back to 2012 which at this point is long ago. Um, >> unfortunately, >> a lot of us, Dylan, >> I'm

008so sorry. I was in kindergarten. >> I didn't know how to count yet. >> Graduate. We're going to say all the way back. >> Um, but yeah, the the brass quintet was lucky enough to play before and the corral played or sang during the the ceremony as well. Then uh just this last Saturday we had or we got to participate in the Penn State in the low voice festival which is a festival with um Dr. Kyver who's an amazing professor at Penn State who directs their coral studies. He has won several Grammys and like he he's really esteemed and this opportunity allows us to work with other people who love singing as well, love music. It allows us to strengthen ourselves as students and it allows us to come back to North and bring the

009ideas we learned at the festival and share them with the students around us. And I think any opportunity like this is just really strong especially for students in the music program because wherever we get to improve on those little things, we can really go back and share them with the people around us and it really does make an impact. And I I I was at the festival. I I had a lot of fun. It was a great opportunity. I'm very very thankful for it. I don't want to do that yet. Okay. Then October 19th there was the um administration various Pennsylvania school board administr associations 2025 leadership conference which I believe many of you were there. Um the corral performed at that after being selected last year in July to perform. They had a whole

010audition process and they were picked to be an ensemble worthy of playing at the Kylie Hart Resort for for administrators. >> Really, really a wonderful job last night. >> I've heard nothing but >> compliments from you. Yeah, they they do an amazing job. The corral everywhere they go. Like they're amazing. Um, but that I'm really it's really cool seeing our our corral and our ensembles doing so much more this year or just in general seeing us being in more places because I feel like in the past I've looked at other schools and been like they do a lot and I wish we could do a lot and it feels like we're starting to get to do a lot and and that's just a great thing always. Then as we speak, our north students, we have,

011I believe 13 of them are auditioning for the PMEA District 10 choir, which is a more esteemed choir where you prepare a piece going or a song all the way back in around April of last year. And they are auditioning right now as we speak. Hopefully, they're going to make it. I'm cheering for them. So, I I just want to send some good vibes over there so we can get some North representation there because it's always great when we can. athletics. I love I love our choir. I love our band. I really do. You know, a lot of friends in there. But now we're talk about a little bit about athletics. So, one big thing we want to talk about is school record was broken. Um, senior Gustavo Mora, who is my captain in cross

012country, broke the cross country school record on October 4th, 2025, running a 1614 5K. This beats the previous record by 45 seconds. >> Yeah. So that's fascinating. >> For people who don't know about 5ks, just beating uh >> beating the school record by 45 seconds is a big thing. So we're super proud of him. Um and we're we have high hopes for him coming into tomorrow actually or on Wednesday is districts for cross country and so we're having high hopes for him. >> Girls soccer on September 24th while playing on Duros Field. The girls soccer team scored a 3 to2 victory showcasing great teamwork and determination. Um, the girls had a little bit of a rough season beginning it, but I think just this win really boosted our spirits and just boosted, you know, morale

013at North, and I think that it's a it's a great thing to mention our accomplishments, and I'm super happy for them. Cross country, um, the East Strawburg North cross country boys team finished the regular season with wins over East Strawburg South, Pocono Mountain East, Pocono Mountain West, and Pleasant Valley to improve their record to 10 wins. Um and then the North's girls cross country team also had victories over Pocono Mountain East and Pocamount West and they finished the season with seven wins. Um it was this was all happened at the last the last inseason meet. It's usually the it's we call it like the mountain the mountain meet because it's where all the mountain schools actually compete against each other and so we came second place overall all the schools there. The only one who

014beat us was Charlesburg. So, you know, we are very happy both the boys and girls team of how our performance there. Football North is looking forward to supporting our boys football team this Friday as they take on our rivals of South and the whole school is excited to come together and show our spirit for them. And so that'll be a very fun Friday. >> And we are hosting a tailgate at 5:30 at South for any family that wants to come and tailgate with us and support North and South. >> That's a great I love that. Um actually we have a telly that we'll get to later on but um throughout our October all of our far fall sports team have opportunity to celebrate their seniors and have a couple pictures of all our seniors and

015our pictures there and we have a bunch of them especially boys soccer. Um but this is all our our senior nights that we had some extracurriculars. Um right we're talking about the North homecoming game tailgate. Um we hosted our homecoming game tailgate. an event that hasn't been done in years and as far as any of them that's been in college I mean in high school or any of the people before us for a long really long time and around 200 students attended along with several athletes all the teams of the football team and the cheer team all attended and we stopped by before the game we had food we had bouncy houses we had um games we had even a dunk tank where our um our dean of students and another teacher Mr. Massa and

016Mr. Duke both got dunked multiple times and it was really a great time. I think it was a time where, you know, I heard a couple times out there that we don't always have fun stuff like this up at North. I think this was a great time to kind of bring North together. I think it was great. These are some pictures on the next slide. Um, one of the pictures we were all dancing to the Chasha slide. I think that was very fun. And we had a little bouncy house there and if you can see in the middle the duck tank they were they were soaking wet there. Um, but overall it was a really it was a great time. We had a lot of fun. So, also on Saturday, alongside the Penn State um

017low voice festival, there was Dory Fright Night. Every year, North goes to Dorne Park to celebrate Dory Fright Night, get into the Halloween spirit. And I think this trip always boosts morale. I can always see students getting ready, being excited for it. And these kind of trips where we all get to come together and have just a day that's like not serious and having fun. I think it boosts morale around the school. It makes the school a happier place to be in. And th those those days are always great to look forward to as Yeah. Um and so I remember I mentioned it last last um meeting how we had our annual homecoming um hallway contest. Um unfortunately we the seniors did lose. Unfortunately the the juniors did take it this year. We lost our

018we lost our we were we running good for three years but we did lose. And so this was like a little collage I put in. Um like I said, it was like a it was like a time of day type theme. And so we had golden hour, we had um and so this is just what I say. If you see the bottom corner there, that's the winning hallway with the clock and everything. Um and then the 2026 that was our hallway and decoration um in the moment. And then on the right side we have our um spirit week. One of the days was seniors had to dress as old people and so that was pretty fun. And then obviously always having the most people was Blackout Day, the day of the homecoming game. >> Um,

019and it was a lot of fun. It It was a lot of fun. And >> yeah, but that is all for our October highlights. Thank you so much everybody. >> Appreciate it. >> Good job. Okay, moving to the south. We're in Ellis. Good afternoon everyone. Today we're going to talk about October news here at South. First, I want to give a quick shout out to our girls soccer team for making it to districts. This is a huge accomplishment and we are very proud of our girls. First up, we have staff staff recognition. Congratulations to our October teachers of the month, Mr. Phillips and Mr. Mooney from the special education department. Both educators are being celebrated not only for their outstanding dedication, compassion, and commitment to their students, but also for reaching an incredible milestone of

02025 years of service to our district, which is only like a quarter of how long Mr. Coella has been here. Well done. >> So long ago. >> Their passion, patience, and unwavering support make a lasting difference in the lives of the students and colleagues every day. We are so grateful for their years of hard work and positive impact they continue to make in our school community. Please join us in congratulating and thanking them for their exceptional service. Next up, we have the future educator kickoff event. We're really excited to host this year's future educator future educator cohort kicking kickoff event. We send a big thanks to Mr. Dr. Dubowski and Mr. Zol for being our guest speakers. The goal of the kickoff was to welcome all the new juniors who applied and were accepted into

021the program. Those who organized the event gave the newcomers a huge welcome and overview as to what they will experience in the next two years in this program. Even though we bleed purple in this building, we do love it when our north and south students come together. And this was an awesome experience for everyone. Thanks to Mr. Cole, Mrs. Brotherton, and Mrs. Franco for organizing the event. We look forward to see what's next. >> And thank you Dr. Pukowski for being their keynote speakers. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Next, we have the 12 plus transition. These students took a trip to Monroe County Career Link on Friday, October 10th. The students completed a job assessment and completed employment paperwork. Through this linkage with Career Link, students are able to get paid for work experience they

022do as part of their 12 plus programming. I think these students are already doing a lot better than some of us who claim that working ruins our social battery. >> Next up, we have the fall play. Rehearsals have been underway for this year's play at South High School, I hate Shakespeare. I know our students are really excited to put on this show. From zombies to talking cows and even an appearance by Jerry Springer, this show is a funny introduction to Shakespeare with a modern twist that you don't want to miss. Showtimes will be Friday, November 21st at 7:00 p.m. and Saturday, November 22nd at 3 p.m. This year, a new club formed, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. This club focuses on serving local communities around the globe by engaging, empowering coaches and athletes to unite,

023inspire, and change the world through the gospel. It is a good opportunity for students to form a sense of community with other athletes who follow the same faith. The first meeting had 33 total attendees and the second meeting had 52 total attendees. Next up we have homecoming week. This year we did penny words before spirit week to introduce the battle of the classes during homecoming week with fun competitions that went with our overall theme of superheroes. For example, here you see at the top row we had dynamic duos. So people twinned with each other and then in the bottom row was parents are the best heroes. Barbecue dad versus soccer mom. >> And it was funny to see all everyone dressed as a barbecue dad and even participating in class dressed as a barbecue dad.

024>> We also had many games throughout the week like a comic book quiz and a scavenger hunt. And every time students participated it added points to their class. Seniors did take the win with penny wars and the hallway contest which led us into winning battle of the classes. Our pep rally which recognized all fall sports and introduced the homecoming court went really well. I think students especially enjoyed it when our superheroes worked together to beat a Mr. trio dressed as a cat. Some of my classmates and I were honored to be part of the top five for court. It was definitely a collection of memory memories and moments to remember. And from the day we were chosen to the night we walked down the field at halftime, the 10 of us grew closer and are

025all grateful for the opportunity. We send big congratulations to my friends Jordan Clark and Annaline Gutierrez, our homecoming king and queen. They deserve their win. In the middle at the bottom you see Jordan. Um he did not take the loss very well. I mean the chairs. >> Next up we have PSATs. PSATs will be taking place this week on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday for all juniors who signed up to take them in the library. Our juniors are grateful and thankful to the district for allowing them to take them for free and helping them to prepare for the SATs in the future. Next up, we have our ESU trips. On October 30th, any senior that registered will be taking a VIP trip to ESU. This will include admissions, presentation, campus tour, lunch with the president, and

026academic deans as well as an immediate decision on our application to attend ESU next fall. I know me and my classmates are really excited and grateful for this opportunity to be offered to us. ESU has so much to offer and we can't wait to see the moment. If going to ESU means I still get to have my mom's cooking, then I'm sold. Our Special Olympics Club here is will be hosting their glow-in-the-dark volleyball tournament next Friday. Not next Friday, the far Friday after November 7th. Our student body and faculty love this event and are always excited to see the turnout. Great. All right. And lastly, to close it off, we welcome everyone to the Purple Pit this Friday for our football game against East North. Like we said, the district is putting together a tailgate,

027which is exciting. and we just look forward to getting both school communities together for a fun event. But our Cavs are still number one. Our CS look forward to proving why we say bleed purple. Thank you everyone and I hope you have a good night. Even our guys from North. >> Thank you. >> Hey Ed Caitlyn from MCTI. Good morning school board members, administration, and guests. My name is Kayyn Olato and I am the Skills USA ambassador and MCTI student representative. MCTI's CTSOs had a very success successful car, truck, and bike and tractor show on Saturday, October 4th. We had 108 registrants for the day. We had se several children activities as well as a culinary um providing the foods and drinks. Uh and this was the best show yet. MCTI career and technical student

028organizations are wrapping up their membership drives and elections for school officers. The following East Strawburg students were elected as DECA officers. PM President Matthew Muscera, Vice President Nazir Frederick, and Competition Manager Savannah Pop. Um, MCTI students will be participating in industry tour visits this month. Cosmetology students will be visiting a line at Empire Beauty School. Students from horiculture and business and hospitality will be going to Longwood Gardens to learn about various careers in the industry. And then in November, they will be going to Camelback to meet with the team leaders and learn about various careers in hospitality. On Wednesday, October 22nd, MCTI will be holding its career exploration open house for students in grades 7th, 8th, and 9th from our standing school districts. On Wednesday, October 29th, the business and hospitality students will be going

029to New York City for a behind-the-scenes tour of the Four Seasons Hotel, where they will be having the opportunity to meet with Chef Maria Tim Hackis, who trade under um Chef Gordon Ramsey. Students will also do a behind thescenes tour of Macy's Herald Square. They will be also Oh, excuse me. They will be visiting the various departments as well as getting a first look at the holiday lane. The following FFA students competed in the North Branch area career development event competitions held during during the Bloomsburg fair in September 9th. Uh the winners were Anthony Dealo in horiculture, he got second and he is a senior. And McKenzie Dickerson in floriculture also second and she is a senior. This concludes my report. >> Hey, thank you. >> Thank you, >> if you need chaperones for the

030New York City trip, I'm available that day >> because that sounds glorious. >> Correct. Right. >> I think we could all be available for that. >> I'm in. >> Okay. Thank you to our students. Amazing as always. And speaking of amazing, Dr. Vitali, your report. I am being told that >> I am disabled from Oh, wait. We're back. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Wait a minute. We keep waiting, Miss Joe. >> I love that it's in cursive. >> Thank you. I I'm figuring out new fonts in Google and it makes my heart happy. >> Um, so tonight we have really two or three things to talk about. Straoud Open Space had asked if they could come and I I don't see them here. So we will try to reschedu. Um, we're going to do a

031bell time study. So we had a bell time study conducted. So we're going to talk about that and we're going to talk about department goals. So last month I brought to you the school goals. This month I'm going to bring to you department goals. Students, you can hang out and chill or you can respectfully leave at any point. There is not going to be much excitement in this. Um, can't just do it on my computer. It has to do it through this. No, no, that's okay. All right. So, we would welcome region open space, but they're not here, so we'll do it next time. Uh, bell time study. So, as a board, you approved this and this is kind of coupling with our feasibility study that we're going to be talking about next month and

032in December. Um, but basically what this study was, it was a very, very comprehensive study. It got a baseline summary of our current ridership on transportation morning and afternoons. They offered some considerations for routing policy enhancements, an overview of trip pairing to determine conflicts of late buses, and then some potential bell time modifications, which basically means changing in the school day schedule to increase transportation efficiency. So, before we even get to this, you're going to see some routes that look incredibly long. And I just before we get frustrated about how long some of our kiddos are sitting on the bus, just because there's a long route doesn't mean it's a large population. We have some students on MCTI. They get bus directly from their residence to MCTI, but we don't do all of the north

033routes. So we do collapsed routes. So some of our students are sitting on the bus longer so that they still have access to MCTI. Also public trans non-public school transportation. Some students are transported directly to their schools. Some go to kind of a transfer station at Smithfield Elementary School. So they may have long bus routes as well depending on that route. And then some of our students with special needs just have longer bus routes because perhaps they are out of district placement and we are transporting them somewhere else. So when we see some of these with long kind of bar lines on all the graphs that you're going to see, I do not want us to get worried about it. We we are pretty efficient and tight on making sure that our students are on

034the bus the least amount of time. So the efficiency target. So I have learned so much about transportation through this and Mr. Lamus, feel free to jump in and correct me um since you are the expert on our board about this. So the efficiency target is for elementary the capacity should be between 60 and 80%. So it's no more than half of the students on the on the bus with three to a seat. Secondary is between 60 and 70% with no more than two students per seat. That is the recommendation for our district. Elementary is about 85%, intermediates about 75% with our ridership and high school is 65%. So we're completely within the efficiency target um but over the elementary. So um we could actually peel back some students but basically what they're saying is

035that um transportation is is really efficient in how we run it. And kudo to kudos to Dearis Robbins and what she does in the transportation department because this is something that we were actively looking at to understand current bell times and this is important because we're going to be talking about changing this. So, the first bell time uh for intermediate 7:30 to 2:20, high schools is 7:20 to 2:30, and then elementary schools is 9:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. So, when you look at this, and it's a very confusing chart, and Mr. Snyder and I spent multiple times trying to talk this through with Mr. Foresight to understand it, but I think we have a handle on it. So, this is the AM roots, and they are incredibly efficient. So you will see a line going

036across the graph to show any inefficiencies. Though currently our secondary AM trip lengths are good and efficient. Our elementary AM roots. So I'm going to try to explain this chart. You're going to look at it top down. So as if you're leaving and then coming. So anything from the top bar down means that we can get our students to school on time. Anything above the bar means that it's a conflict. So, as you can see with the elementary route, we have a few that are tight, but one that is over. So, we know that that bus will always be late. It will never be able to drop students and turn back around and do an elementary run. Questions? Please don't ask them. Well, with that trip, like let's say the longest one that's maybe going

037to MCTI or somewhere else. So, it's already programmed not to program an elementary trip, right? >> Be an elementary trip. Correct. Correct. >> So, now the afternoon trip length, you can see that there's a few more. So, this is the intermediate school trip length. And this is the same kind of thing. If it's above the bar, it means that there is no way they will be able to take their high school students or intermediate students, drop them off and get back to the elementary school on time. And you can see it's much much tighter for us in that capacity. The PM routes. So this is high school. So before it was elementary, it was intermediate. This is high school. This is a hot mess, right? So there's a lot more that we know would never

038be able to turn around and get our elementary school students. So because of this, we need more drivers in the afternoon than we need in the morning. So this does not mean that each of these buses is assigned both routes. What it's telling you is Mr. Schlena said is that these buses cannot be assigned a second route because they would never be able to turn it around which if you paid attention there was only a few conflicts in the morning and there's a lot of conflicts in the afternoon and then this there's obviously no conflicts with the PM because we're elementary because we're not picking anybody up after that. So in the morning we need 73 drivers and 73 buses. in the afternoon we need 112 and that is because of those conflicts. That disparity

039makes it really difficult especially with making sure that we have drivers working full-time. So our goal is necessarily not to decrease the numbers but almost to even them out so there's equity between AM and PM roots. So that is our goal is trying to level set it so that we can give less amount of people more time more for more full-time work. >> Okay. >> Uhhuh. >> Sorry. >> No, you're >> So when I look at this also, I'm wondering >> I love that. >> Right. Uh we have games, we have activities that are students need to be transported to. It seems like the afternoon has obviously more work in it. >> Y >> but 112 is a lot more. >> This only accounts for to and from school >> to and from school. >>

040This does not include any trips or athletics, >> right? >> So if we're in including trips and athletics, that PM route is much higher. >> Much higher. And so I guess I'm looking at saying your efficiency is obviously in the morning. What happens in the afternoon >> and I kind of know a thing or two about that. Our our public transit goes to like slows down a lot. So you're seeing a lot more usage utilization of the road network which is then making everything else late which is driving longer times to make it impossible to get more than correct. Yeah. >> Yes. and disembarking takes a little bit longer. >> Okay. >> Is my thought is getting the kids organized to get off the bus is a little different than them getting off the bus.

041>> Okay. >> No, >> I don't I don't know about that logic makes sense to me. So, I'm going to stick with it. >> Sure. >> All right. So, we're going to go over seven different scenarios. Some of these are incredibly drastic. It doesn't mean we're doing any of it. So, nobody leave here and be like, "Oh my gosh, elementary kids are going to start at 7 o'clock starting tomorrow." No, my job is to give you all the information that you have and then for you to have a conversation and make an informed decision. So, there are seven options. There are certain options here that I would strongly recommend we don't even talk about because I don't think they're good idea. However, I'm going to allow you to have Well, I'm going to >> I'm

042going to prep it a little, but we're going to have that conversation as opposed to just holding back that information. If we decide we like one of those macro moves, we would never do this without talking to our families, our students, our staff, and our administration. So if you decide you want to do a macro pendulum split, then we're going to put together committees and talk about the impact that this is going to have because this impact would be very very significant on our people's lives on our child care industry locally. It would be significant and we would need to understand that. So we're not making a decision tonight. So nobody in the public and I know there's thousands of people watching. Nobody get worried. Okay, >> we do have a couple. >> All right,

043scenario one. Scenario one would be for secondary to start five minutes earlier and elementary 5 minutes later. So, we're pushing a 10-minute gap. Scenario two is elementary five minutes earlier, is secondary five minutes earlier and elementary 10 minutes later. So, we're giving a 15minute gap. Scenario three is where we would swap our start times and then our elementary students would start at 7:30, >> our high school would start at 8:35 and our intermediate school would start at 8:45 meeting with favor >> that that is a national trend >> and honestly that's something that I would be strongly in favor road knowing that you have less accidents on roads with high schoolers driving statistically seen that. >> So we have four more scenarios, >> okay, >> to go through. >> Sorry guys, >> it's not going

044to happen. We're still in school. So >> and even for next year like that's right out for next year too. So right now we have two tiers in that intermediate and high school starts around the same time. So our buses are out in the first tier and then the second tier is elementary. The scenario four is developing three tiers that intermediate would be at 7:15, high school would be at 8:15 and elementary would be 9:20. Scenario five has the three tiers and the swap of the times, right? So that we would embed three tiers. Everybody starts about an hour later starting elementary, high school, and then intermediate. Scenario six, because why wouldn't we just have five, but we have seven. Scenario six is three tiers with the intermediate school first, then high school, and then

045elementary. Still with me? Mhm. >> Scenario seven is that secondary starts 10 minutes earlier and Bushkill Elementary School starts at the same time as them. They would start. So high school would start at 7:10. The intermediate school and Bushkill would start at 7:20 and then the other five elementaryaries would start at 9:10. Good. We're good. Everybody know all that gonna be a quiz. I'm confused. So I tried to make little charts to show this. So in these scenarios, this shows you the number of roots that would be needed in the morning and the number of roots that would be needed in the afternoon. So before we even get into the conversation, we have to consider all of this child care for our families. If we're moving elementary, we're creating a stronger need for child care

046in the afternoon, perhaps at a much earlier time. So we would have to have conversations with our daycare providers and our child care providers. If we move high school to 3:35, we have to consider athletics. >> Athletics. Yeah. >> Our students are going to be leaving earlier. So, I'm going to use golf as an example. In order for this time of year for golf to get 18 holes in, they are leaving around noon for a golf match. Well, if they leave around noon and school doesn't start till like 9, they're missing much more instruction than they are would be starting at this time. We have to have conversations about what impact this does for families because some of our secondary students get their elementary siblings off the school bus. If high school students are getting

047home last, there's nobody to retrieve them and there's an impact. Now, there's the counter to that of that they could be putting them on the school bus then, but that might not work for some families. And MCTI, they start at a specific time. That will change the entire schedule for MCTI and they will not change their schedule for one of the schools, right? They just they can't. So all of that goes into sometimes, and I say this over and over again, a micro move is the best option. Sometimes we don't do a macro move. We do a micro move, let it see how we do for a year or two, and then make a decision if we do a macro move. Not saying I'm not open to a macro move, but I'm just suggesting sometimes

048a small pivot is better than 180 degrees. So here is just for you of what the start times would be by scenario. You have it in front of you. So I'm going to go to the next slide. Now this goes back to the other chart and you did not ask my opinion but I cannot be quiet. So I'm going to offer it. I believe that scenario four and scenario six are off the table because what we said was we were trying to get those numbers of AM roots and PM roots closer. Scenario 4 and scenario 6 have a wider gap than our current gap of 73 and 112. And we actually need more drivers in the afternoon than what we currently have. And staffing still is an issue right now. So the red to me

049is off the table. The yellow is cautionary because they are more macro moves. Scenario one and two I have kind of in green. I'm a little stoplight here. I think those are small pivots that adjust times no more than 15 minutes on either end. And it gets us closer to where we need to be of the number of AM routes and PM routes. And it also drops us by nine drivers or 11 drivers. Go. >> Well, >> hold on. I can't take all the notes at once, right? >> I don't have a problem with one or two. >> I think a macro a big change right now, you know, like you have to prepare people for that. Absolutely. >> I'm And when are you really talking if if if one of these was decided? How

050how what is the time frame for something like this? Would you start >> next school year? >> Next school year. Well, not not like next >> semester, not this this spring. >> Right now, >> we're just we're just talking. >> Correct. We're just starting and this would we're just talking and this would start in the 26 27th >> and one or two would accommodate MCTI. Yes. >> As well. >> Yes. >> And >> because those roots are baked in because those are everyday roots. What we didn't include would be isolated routes of athletic hoops. Okay? >> Because those are not daily routes. So all of our non-public transportation is baked into this and all of our MCTI is baked into this. >> And then late buses are ancillary. >> I'm sorry. Say it Rebecca. the

051late buses that doesn't include that like you know the the four the five o'clock bus and the six o'clock bus or whatever time there >> it does not include the activity bus >> some of the things some of the comments I've heard because people have already read this and are sure commenting on it which is great >> I love that that means they're engaged >> they're engaged yeah uh so would this you think this would fix some of the late buses for elementary I guess that's really where it's showing up if they're not able to complete their high school run to get back in time for elementary. That's creating the space and that gap to do the work >> because a lot of those late buses are due to the driver shortage, >> right? >>

052So, we we're not saying and I want to be really clear that we're decreasing our drivers, >> right? >> Not saying that for anybody in the audience. >> What we're saying is that that's about how many drivers we currently have on staff, >> right? So right now we need 112. We have I believe drivers on staff maybe. Don't quote me on that number. We have in the 90s. So we're always short staffed with it trying to actively hire. This would get us much closer to that number. And then when people call out, we would still have a buffer, >> right? But that buffer is not really there because you have special trips. You have all kinds of athletic activities that are always challenging. There's there's really no difference between number one and number two except

053for the five minutes. So, you're really talking. >> My My other question is if we're going to start 10 minutes later or 5 minutes later for elementary, it would not affect the the times that parents could drop children off. I'm thinking that's part of the difference in that afternoon versus morning where people are bringing and dropping their child off at school and then they take the bus home. >> It it would change when parents drop off and pick up because the school times would change. We would have to make some accommodation, I would think, because I'm thinking work schedules will not change because your child's starting 10 minutes later, >> which is why if we make a decision of which way we want to go, we would communicate that out sooner than later to our

054next year. >> Are we going to look for public feedback on this >> once once you give me a direction of which scenarios you want to go based on this conversation? So if you want a macro move, we're gonna have to rally. >> I'm not thinking macro. >> No, but if you as a collective board say to me, hey, we really like this. We want to explore it more. Then we will start the exploration process. The macro moves have a much bigger process than a micro move, right? I mean, I still want to make sure we get feedback because we may find that we need to be able to accommodate kids earlier. Oh, or at the current time. >> I don't know who staff came to. >> Well, yeah, we would have to have those

055conversations. >> Would the professional staff day stay the same? >> No. >> So, you'd have to Well, when does professional staff arrive for say high school? >> I I don't have it all. >> I think it's 710. 7. >> So, if you So, I I don't see why you would need to change professional staff, right? 7:10 if you is that your start time and high school is 7:20 and 7:15 7:15 for those first two scenarios you're in within that realm. I'm just trying to think of what Deb was saying about with regard to uh changing the start time for elementary say 10 minutes. Um what's the start time for an elementary professional staff and would professional staff be there? I know these aren't answers that I can get right now, but I'm just saying maybe

056then we have the professional staff or whomever. >> Um, professional staff at the elementary school start at H1. >> Okay. So, professional staff is already there. I know for example in in my district, you know, certain student or certain professional staff or assigned students who are dropped off before 7 like right at 7, but they don't get off the bus until 7:10 and there's people who are assigned to those students. So, you know, with regard to professional staff being there and staffing the kids in case a parent has an issue with the extra 10 minutes, those are workarounds. Like those are things that we can work around. So, as long as we're there, I like option uh what was that one? Four. >> Great. Just kidding. I like to >> I mean I think it

057depends. If we're doing this for bus efficiency, then it would make most sense to do one or two. Right. Right. >> But if we're doing it to consider what research says about how kids learn, >> then if we're going to make a move to have high school kids come in later and elementary earlier makes more sense as far as the way kids, you know, research says that kids learn. Uh I'm not saying that's what not without its complications and problems from everything from daycare to part-time jobs to sports and that those would have to be looked at. But um so I I it would be interesting to look at opinions from the public and on how making a dramatic change would at least feel out there. um to try and go along with I I

058mean I could tell you having been a high school principal that seven the amount of tardies we deal with each day kids who come to school late is extreme. I mean, and I think you even making it five more minutes, we're going to add another group of people. And also, um, where I live, I live in Price Township, and I know the kids in my development get on their bus really early as it is, and even five more minutes to that, um, is, you know, I I I just I don't know. I, you know, obviously I think if we have to do for the bus driver efficiency, one or two would get the job done. So, I I would support that, but I just think since we're talking about this topic and put a lot

059of effort into it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to at least have some kind of public input >> on a more dramatic change just to see what we get, >> you know, out there. >> I >> So, I don't I don't want to survey all seven scenarios though. >> No, >> I think it's incredibly confusing. >> One, two, and three. >> So, can one, two, and three? >> That's what I say. One, two, >> or just two and three. >> Yeah. because three seems to give us also the bus driver efficiency. So, >> yes. >> Um, but I I think it'd be worth it since a lot of work was done instead of let's just kind of throw it out and see what people say about the time change, you know, a severe time

060change like that. Um >> I I think the other thing to go with here is to have this conversation say, "Yeah, for next year we're looking at, you know, scenario two, >> but let's look at what we could do in, you know, scenario three for two years down the road because that requires so much more change." >> Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great idea. >> But but here's another point. If you talk to busing people, they I mean what I've heard over the years is three tier busing is the the the cure all. You hear that? >> I've heard that too. I'm just wondering why the math works out so different on the on this on the sheet. >> Well, if you look at five, I mean, five is the perfect scenario, but I I

061to see what the hours were on that one. That was one of the that was the early and late. So that is three tiers and then swapping the times >> and the high school goes later and the elementary school goes earlier >> at 7:15, intermediate school at 9:25 and high school at 8:15. >> Why does intermediate go middle or goes at the end? I mean wouldn't >> it? So that was the scenario that they found worked the best. So the reality is you could have done right any of these scenarios. These were the seven that they presented to us that would have this kind of impact. So can I make a requ suggestion and if the rest of the board I mean if we're looking to look into this further why don't we pick a

062good better best or a one two you know like three different options like just to see the comparison is that or will that I mean >> serveing our families and our students. Yeah, because then you can get then you get that that consensus of you know would for all you know maybe parents of elementary school students would say yes I to get my child on the bus earlier would be better cuz they'll be here quicker and you know I I don't know you don't know I look at from my kids and my granddaughter that might be yes but you never know whoever but but I also look but I also look at my high school age kids when they were here recently when when some of our high school students are coming home from uh

063say a game at Parkland and they're not getting home till 11:30 at night and then they have to do homework till 1:00 in the morning. This would give them that extra option. I mean >> the long distance sports is we have to factor that into this somehow because and how that will affect the afternoon runs that if they're not in here right now that's kind of I mean I hate to say it's skewing the numbers but we don't know what those numbers are. >> So with that >> it it's it's a constant very aggressive. >> Okay. So, so right now our athletic trips are the same athletic trips that we're going to run next year. >> So, it's a constant variable that's not going to change. What we're giving here are the variables that we

064can manipulate. >> So, if you want us to look at three and survey three, I have scenario two, scenario three. What is the other scenario you want our families and our students to give us feedback on? >> One. No, like a five maybe with a three. We I think we should include some include some kind of >> Hold on. >> So I just got one, two, and five. I had two and three before. >> Yeah. Two, three, and five. Three and five. >> Oh, okay. >> And I would I would switch intermediate time with high school time on scenario. >> Three and five. the high school really should be coming in the last group, the intermediate because I I imagine the the high school students should be at home helping get the elementary student on.

065>> You want high school last >> in my opinion and it's just my opinion. >> I kind of like what that does to the numbers because high school has less roots needed because students >> and because of athletics and activities. So I don't >> So you're asking me to get new information because that might change the efficiency rates, right, >> of these roots >> only for scenarios three and five. For scenario two, >> I think that that's something that we need to be seriously investigating for next fall and you know making a decision on that and communicating that. But longer term having that broader conversation with community and the district. >> Well, one one other question I have and and I don't know are these numbers that you're that we're referencing. Are these these are

066actual numbers that like the we're using because give me an example. If you go to any of our schools in the morning for drop off the the number of parents dropping students off is incredible. These are the numbers number of students that are rostered. >> Rostered, not actually riding. >> Are they swiping or is these the swipes on the bus or just what's rostered on the bus? >> The number of students that are rostered, >> right? Because you have to hold >> looked at the swipes. >> What I'm saying is like, give me an example. My children in their their entire career here in East Stburg never they rode the bus maybe once or twice. They never they at a given point they were they were car students and a lot of students are car

067students, but yet they were still allocated on that bus. They have to be >> but not if a parent but can can't we get parents to sign a waiver saying I am I busing is not a requirement it's not a it's not a it's not a right it's it's a privilege we you don't have to provide busing well I mean we don't I mean what I'm saying is >> you do provide busing for some regular ed students you have to provide it for all and what happens is if families sign waiverss and then circumstances change and now they need transportation then what we're going to be doing to our transportation department is constantly rerouting and we don't want to do they're busy enough. We don't want to constantly reroute. I get that >> and and

068circumstances change. >> The the other thing is when you're creating a route, it doesn't matter. You're still going to be going down street A and street B and street C. You have kids everywhere. you might as well just make it the same route the whole >> I get that >> you're still going to consume the same number of miles and hours and fuel and driver wages and stuff. >> Can I just add one point as a note because likelihood we could do a scenario one or two without m major changes. However, I think we would have to look for our staffing because if our staff signs it at 7:10 and the kids limit at 7:15, that five minutes really doesn't give enough time. I mean, we have we rely on our teachers on duties in

069the morning and to say, you know, you have five minutes to get your hat and coat off. Now, granted, most of our teachers are very responsible and come in a lot earlier than the required time, but in essence, they don't have to. So to give them only five minutes to uh you know get themselves situated into a duty and accept kids I I don't think that'll work. 10 minutes just about works now. >> I I know I'm going to get slack for asking. Um, were any scenarios theorized that may have reduced a short small tiny very tiny tiny bit of instructional time? >> No. No. Because at the high school level, we're tight on instructional time >> for the number of hours we need in a year. >> Correct. Yep. For MCTI students, we are

070tight on it. Yep. But this wouldn't I'm I'm not talking about I'm not talking about instructional time with regard to busing. The busing would be the same time. So if you took five minutes out of the day because I always tell my students one minute a day is three hours a year. Explain that to them. But if five minutes a day that would drop us below >> for I I would have to check the exact numbers and I can't right now. Um but it it would be tight with certain populations. So the way we have to report it is we have to report it for full day MCTI students, half day MCTI students, morning and then afternoon and then full day students at the school. So there's four different reports for each of our schools.

071>> Right. >> The numbers at North because of the distance from MCTI are very tight. >> Tight. You have a >> anything else we want to talk about? >> Well, I'm only half done, people. >> All right. So, as we talk about our building goals last month, now we're going to kind of talk about our department goals and share what we're working on as a collective administrative team so that we can maximize today's potential for tomorrow's success. So, I just want to remind everybody that this is really our mission statement of what we're doing and what we're working toward. And my hope is that you see this reflected in the goals as our administrators built their goals. So again, that's just a quick reminder about goal setting process and what it looked like the Maggie

072Vitali version of it. So our administrative services department their goals are to develop a stronger community relationship through communication to support district operations through more targeted meeting structure. Um so we want to make sure that environmental services that building and grounds is having good solid conversations at the building level and at the cabinet level and then to create opportunities for our support staff to engage in strategic training for professional growth so that they are growing their knowledge base and their skill set. For the business office they are working to improve efficiency by reviewing and clarifying the roles within the department. We know that we've had some changes. We brought on a new controller. Uh Mr. Krauss is serving kind of as a point person for our school business consultants. So this is a great time

073to really look at efficiency across the board. Uh they are working to improve their customer service by providing more professional and timely responses to any inquiries for the business office and then to streamline the enduser to relevant information by giving access in a centralized location. So again, that's all really just communicating with our staff in a more timely manner and in a more streamlined manner. Food service department is working to develop, promote, and invest in a positive and welcoming environment to ensure that food service and child nutrition is all completed accurately and timely and to really be build a strong and trustbased foundation of food service within our district and our faculty. And and this is exciting to me because all of this my hope is that you see is really infused about serving the

074people in our district, not only our students but also our faculty and staff. Uh the curriculum department only has a few quick goals. Um they are working to develop a curriculum handbook as a resource that really outlines the process to facilitate training and support in the master scheduling process that really talks about efficiency to support building principles with all curriculum initiatives and communication through communication and collaboration. This is something that we've really felt was lacking over the years of that a new curriculum initiative would roll out and it was like just go and do it. So this is having open conversations about implementation and supporting them appropriately. Uh we're looking to increase our instructional leadership capacity within our district to support implementation of math win in grades one through five and to develop the role

075of the director of professional learning which you so kindly invested in last school year. facilities is looking to create opportunities for learning and growth for their people to strengthen communication between their leaders and staff to build an operations leadership team. So very often on the operations side they they get lost in the mix. So, we do so much to build our instructional leadership team as leaders and we're not really focusing on making our operational administrators leaders as well. So, we're really trying to lean into that so we can make them leaders and develop them just like we're doing with our building principles, working to foster a positive culture within the team and to establish a robust interview and onboarding process for all of our candidates. Technology services is looking to improve their customer service for

076the end user and ensure that we have strong safety and security in a very complex digital world. Human resources is working to increase their support and satisfaction. So they do an annual climate survey um and they just want to make sure that they are serving their constituents so to speak. uh they're looking to make their workflow more efficient and accurate through a paperless process and to improve communication with their staff so that they're getting answers to their questions in a more timely. Pupal Services is working to develop and implement a comprehensive family engagement plan to make sure that we are collaborative and partnering with our families in our community to strengthen communication and collaboration with our stakeholders to make sure that students get their best programming in the least restrictive environment. and then to increase,

077improve and expand access to a comprehensive social services program which was really focusing on behavioral, emotional and the basic needs of all of our students. Any questions, thoughts or concerns on that? >> No, just want to say impressive goals and I am really excited um in the curriculum area. uh you know Andy and his and his crew there uh we had pretty much a seven-year lapse and to see so much being done there is really exciting. >> Curriculum is crushing it. >> Yep. Just a question with the human resources goals. Will will the workflow efficiency through the paperless process improve the communication with potential hires and people applying for jobs with our district? cuz I I talking to the public there are some issues with a delay in communication with >> issues of what you've

078brought up in the past. >> Yes. Yes. >> More since we spoke the last time. >> I think so. >> Um yes, they are absolutely working on that. And if you give me specifics, I can dig into it. Not right now, but >> Oh, no. I know I'm I'm not I'm just asking. I'm just >> I think these are amazing to be part of their process. Do you think that specifically, and I'm not obviously a paperless person, I need the paper. I will have the paper when the tech goes down. Oh, we had tech issues tonight. If we were only depending on tech, that would not help us very much. So, how will we back that up? So, you can give me a paper if I need one. >> So, we are I'm not going

079to make Mr. Z answer that. I'm going to answer. >> No, I'm I'm just sort of saying so very honestly >> I wanted to >> we have laptops and our secretaries and our admin in human resources walk people through it and they sit side by side. We're also working to create a kiosk in the main lobby that if people don't have access to technology, they can still apply for positions in our lobby and again somebody would walk them through that process. >> I see that's more information than I had. So we are we are making sure that it's accessed if the kiosk is wellreceived. We want to build one at the north campus as well so that our families do not have to travel down here especially if they're looking for a position of north.

080So we are working on making sure that the barrier to employment is not technology. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Kiosk. >> What? >> Although it's a kiosk but it's Yeah. No, for Debia it's good. >> Okay. Um what's next? So, RLPS is going to come and talk about their feasibility study, what they've done, where they've been, and then you will talk about where we're going. Um, these are not final decisions, but just conversations in the month of November and December. Then in January, I will report on the goals and how we're doing. In February, RLPS will come back and do some more information about the feasibility study. In March, Mr. Snyder will present our comprehensive plan. April and May, we will talk about our budget. Anybody want to guess if the state will

081have a budget by then? >> Probably not. >> And then in June, I will report the outcome of our goals. And what's next for us is we're going to continue to track these goals and make adjustments to ensure that we are successful. >> We're we're not we're not talking budget till April. We will be talking about budget like December, January. Correct. Also, >> but the formal budget presentations will be in April and May. You're you're taking of the preliminary budget. >> Budget. We'll still preliminary budgets and all that's Oh, you're talking about the formal budget, >> not the but we'll still have preliminary numbers as we go. I mean, that is provided we know what we were working from last year, >> right? >> Let alone next year, >> you have to wait till after

082December, >> sir. >> We do follow the law. >> Oh, I know we do. >> It's it's it's the people across the state. >> Okay. >> And down a little bit. >> And how? >> I'm sorry. Oh, I better be careful that news is here tonight. >> Is that is that all you are? >> Thank you. >> That's it. So, >> and first thank you to our central office just for amazing job on uh preparing all this information for us. So, thank you to everybody. Uh we are going to move on to our committee reports and we will uh start with Monroe County and Technical. >> Still haven't changed that order, have you? >> No. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh I'll be quick this evening. Uh the MCTI met um in October. We discussed

083the following uh financial items uh bank accounts, financial reports and activities. They were all reviewed and approved. We also approved uh the fuel oil vendors for the recommendation for the fuel year of 2627. These vendors were recommended by the Northampton Monroe Pike Joint Purchasing Board and required final approval uh from the Colonial IU in uh January. Uh the adult education transfer program, we transferred $5,000 from uh to from the adult education committee fund to the authority to cover current and future administrative legal expenses. Uh, as you heard earlier, we approved um several field trips. One to Macy's Herald Square, which I hear they're looking for chaperrons. And in November to Longwood Gardens, there was one also that we approved with a flexible window for field trip to England. Joe would feel >> but for reference

084sake that is a >> that is a studentf funed >> studentf funed not >> yes >> it's completely student funded through fundraisers on their own >> with MCTI >> excellent excellent program >> uh we also um our policy first reading for policy 2011 uh which was the first reading um and then we placed it on the November 3rd uh JOC agenda for approval and that was for the eligibility of students enrolled in charter schools. Uh the purpose was to clarify the eligibility criteria for enrollment at MCTI and ensure compliance with existing agreements and guidance. Uh it basically comes down to students enrolled in charter schools are not eligible to attend Monroe Career and Technical Institute. Uh MCTI is structured to serve students exclusively from the participating school districts. Uh this restriction aligns with the policies

085and funding structure agreed upon by the MCTIJOC. Uh there was a motion to approve uh several substitutes, volunteers, and adult continuing ed advisors. Our next meeting will be held on November 3rd at 20 in 2025. Thank you. >> Hey, thank you. Uh Colonial IU is me. Um the colonial IU continues to be concerned as all of us are about the IU the excuse me the state budget issues and it is affecting many of our IUs even more severely especially those in the more rural parts of the state uh that are in quite a bit of trouble. Uh a lot of our education associations are busy lobbying and hopefully that will continue. Um, RIU reports that it is in good shape, but we'll if this continues obviously over the next couple of months um there'll be

086a lot of discussions that'll need to happen about their programs. Um, second thing, one of their major projects was a parking lot project and was just pushed back to June, but it does it was a big project that was supposed to be done over the summer. Uh, the other was good news. The resolve program which is a behavioral program at the IU won a highark food grant and foundation grant. The grant will continue trauma work and resolve was certified as a traumainformed uh state program and that grant also gave advanced training to 88 staff members and 77 classrooms throughout uh the IU which is pretty impressive in trauma-informed care for students. So uh that was an excellent and kudos to all those in the resolve program. Uh, one other thing that was talked about which

087I thought was just interesting enough to bring back. Uh, the IU director did ask the board and we had a discussion about possibly offering uh for some key IU tech positions um trying to find they have, you know, as everyone has problems finding tech people to work for them. uh is looking outside of the area and maybe trying to do some remote work as an effort to recruit talented um technical people who don't necessarily have to be on premises but still can be employed by the IU. So we had interesting discussion um and they they did have as they did some preliminary work interests from as far west as California um for jobs that and very talented people who could do jobs. So, it was just an interesting discussion as a way to recruit more

088people in that tech area that we can't seem to find. Um, and I'll report more on it. It's just in its preliminary, but we did have a discussion with the board on how we felt about that. Um, the other thing would be um that the Colonial Academy, which is our alternative school, and a lot of our school district students are there, they did earn their first posit positive behavior support award. So they are involved with PBIS which is a great program for them. And then finally uh Cafe 71 which is their coffee program where they have their students with disabilities who run the coffee shop much like we have here in the district. Uh they did an expansion and they are offering now Chick-fil-A sandwiches uh in their coffee house at lunchtime. So that's a

089pretty cool thing. And uh what's even cooler is that the students themselves and some of the students uh that were there, they do have some rather uh severe disabilities did a lot of the negotiating and talking with the corporate people from Chick-fil-A to get this done. And it's it's just absolutely amazing. So, you know, this every time I go to the IU and hear these things, it just, you know, reinforces never doubt a student, never doubt the potential that any human being has. And, you know, the IU just shows that over and over and over again. So I just thought I'd forgot to check it for that and that's my report. >> Can I ask a question? What the the lack of tech people? What what tech is a broad sub? Is there like a

090specific tech need that they're looking for? >> Tech like technology I guess analysts and things where as we know when we advertise there are not many people applying. Uh but the thought was if we were to expand that across the country there might be a bigger applicant pool for that. Like I said, it's not something they're doing, but just something they wanted to see if anyone and they have to also explore what jobs obviously not every job would, you know, be capable of doing that. Um, it was an interesting discussion would some mixed reviews as whether people would support that or not. >> Okay. And moving on to properties and facilities. >> Thank you. Uh, property and facilities met on October 1st. Uh the committee recommended the AT&T uh cell antenna at the north campus

091with a 10-year uh lease agreement for $48,000. The uh CHA invoices uh which is our third party engineering firm. There are eight invoices. Uh north campus generator for $275. The purple pit uh equipment replacement for $246 and change. JM Hill partial flooring invoice for $563 and change. The Stra Elementary sprinkler replacement invoices for 2,000. JTL data network improvements for 1588 and change. Uh, this boardroom audio and visual upgrade invoice 1,213 and change. Stormwater phase 3 invoice for the north campus is 1,626 and change. The north site uh transportation building invoice is 1,100. The committee recommended the payment of uh applications for payment for the Bushka Elementary boiler replacement with train for 352,000. The north uh campus niatorum HVAC replacement uh with ASL refrigeration for 18,270. the North Medium HVAC replacement uh application number 117 $77,050.

092A Purple Pit uh equipment replacement with Scranton Electric heating and cooling for application five for $34,410. The North Natorium roof replacement with MUN roofing uh application number 10 for $34,452. and JTL partial flooring with COP commercial for $49,725. Our next meeting is on November 5th right here. >> Hey, thank you, Wayne. >> Thank you. Education, Programs, and Resources. My wife is ill today, but she did give me her report, so I'll read that. Uh, the EPR committee met on Thursday, October 2nd at 5:30 p.m. They began their meeting with a presentation of the monthly EPR newsletter. The newsletter contains some of the exciting learning opportunities that were experienced during September. Some of those included kindergarten orientation, which is always fun. Back to school nights, high school students earning college credits, students in both our north

093and south high schools creating content for our scoreboards. Our reading teachings continue with their intervention tools with 95% uh group. and our teachers and administrators continue their learning with linkit and student performance measures being assisted um with uh um yes our new professional coordinator professional development coordinator having office hours in the buildings to work with teachers during their prep periods. Amy Palmounter continued her presentation of the program of studies. She explained the next stages of the four- stage approval process that were completed so they could when we can understand each aspect of it and can give feedback as the progress moves forward. This is truly such an improvement from what we have seen in the past um with programs of studies and I can test for that and we will have a finished product at

094our December meeting. Mr. Snder presented our updated district writing cycle for curriculum, our key comprehensive plan update, and the updates with ASAK. He also thanked Mrs. Bradley and our publisher partners who worked together to ensure that we received additional books and learning materials for free for the new classes we needed because of increased enrollment. Dr. Vatitali explained the opportunities that we may have with the Wayne Pike CTC program. A group of board members and administrators went on an exploratory trip to gather information and to see these programs at work. And lastly, we have no advisory recommendations this month. Just a reminder that all of the support materials and details of everything reported um are on all attachments on the monthly agendas so that if you have any questions, you can refer there. These opening months

095truly exemplify the excitement of moving forward in a cohesive, planned and deliberate path and amen to that. Uh the next meeting is Thursday, November 6th at 5:30 both here and on Zoom and all are welcome and encouraged to attend. And next we move on to finance. Rebecca, >> thank you. So we met on last Monday or no Tuesday because it's holiday. And on the agenda, you'll see a discussion that we're going to have about charter school tuition payments. We're going to see on the agenda also the 2026 Homestead Farmstead annual mailings to be completed by Burke 1 for both Monroe and Pike County. And we'll also have a discussion in regards to our committed fund balance designations. And as a former North parent still living in the north, very excited for the AT&T proposed mini

096cell site on North Campus and that $45,000 is money paid to us, not us paying to have that. So, super excited. And I'm sure you anybody who has AT&T that lives up there will be very excited that they could actually make a phone call at North and not have to hold their phone up high. Um, we have the CHA invoices, applications for payment that Wayne discussed as well as our capital payments. And as Mr. Catrillo said, nothing from education programs and resources. And our next meeting is Monday, November 10th at 5:30 in the boardroom as well as via Zoom. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Rebecca. >> Rebecca, I have a question. >> Yes. Uh the question is for your uh mini cell tower that they're going to put up, will the district

097receive money if they put other providers on there? You know, like the Verizon people holding their phone up in the air? >> I think we already have a Verizon >> up there. >> Verizon works up there. AT&T does not. >> No, on property. >> There are others and Verizon came to mind, but >> as a booster, it's a booster. It's not It's like the one out front. >> Oh, okay. Okay. I thought it was not. It's not a tower. It's a booster. >> It's an antenna. >> We will be open to any cell phone system that wants to pay. >> Yes. For the public, if you have all those cell companies, you want to >> any cell phone people watching us this evening. >> T-Mobile. >> Can I hear you now? Can you hear me

098now? >> T-Mobile. Call us. >> T-Mobile. It's whatever. >> T-Mobile. Yeah. >> I know our North students are hoping that they get that before they graduate. >> Boards, too, if they want. >> Hey Okay, thank you. >> And last but certainly never least committee. >> Uh well, although policy did not meet tonight, it is not because we are not doing our jobs. We have just been so uh so efficient in the last few months and reviewing pretty much all the policies from the past and updating them, which I thank the policy committee and the administration uh for working feverishly to put through that. We actually, you know, it was a it was a task that we put ourselves to and we've we really looked at every policy that went back to some 2012. My goodness,

099how long ago is that? 2012. >> Long time ago. >> The good old days when we had to have paper and pens at meetings. >> Um I'm sorry >> that's only 13. >> No, but we uh we are still working. We have two policies that we will be talking about next month that we put off. We for those that attended tonight's meeting and we weren't here. I'm sorry, but please join us next month uh at 4:30 uh before this meeting which is what the second what's our next meeting date? November 17th right here uh at 4:30. And there are there are policies on the agenda that we discussed last month that were reviewed and we're asking your approval for them tonight. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Keith. uh for public participation. If anyone

100is there, we just remind you that we do have a limit to comments on this agenda by residents and taxpayers and we do have a threeminut limit. Is there anyone present who would like to um participate or anyone online? I was looking there like I can see people online. Okay, seeing none, we'll move on. Um any unfinished business from any board members? All right. Then we need a motion to adopt the board the board. That's we'll try that one more time. The motion to adopt the board policies as listed. >> So move. >> Second. >> Questions? All in favor? I >> opposed. Motion to approve the revised organizational chart attachment 008 prepared by the superintendent as presented to clearly designate the relationships of all employees within the district organization. Second >> questions. All in favor?

101I >> opposed. Motion to authorize the field trips listed and there's about a page of them there. >> Second. >> Questions? >> All in favor? >> Opposed. Motion to approve the implementation of the following intramurals and clubs. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Questions? >> I heard some significant clubs here. This is >> impressive. >> Okay. need to abstain from a couple of them. Number 37, number 40, and number 45. >> Okay. Abstension. >> Thank you. >> Great. Good. Anything else? And I would agree with uh Deb on just an impressive list that students are offered. And this is a new process that we created um just to make sure that we know what clubs we have and that there are strong attendance and that we are ensuring that our students have a voice and

102students are driving the clubs that we have. So that's why you're seeing this look a little bit different than it ever has in the past because we created the process for it. >> Excellent. >> I was going to note that I'd never seen this before. So that's something. Any other questions, comments? Okay. All in favor? I >> opposed. Motion to approve the proposed adjudication with regard to the expulsion hearing held on September 29th, 2025. So move. >> Second. >> Questions? >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion to approve the me memorandum of understanding between the East Straburg Area District and East Stburg Education Association with respect to adding concession stand manager to the current East Straburg Area Education Association collective bargaining agreement under schedule B extra responsibility pay schedule >> move second >>

103questions comment >> I have a question what uh what's the is the pay structure been determined for this how much will it cost how will it be paid the equipment manager >> which is 10,000 >> remember that one. >> Uh I have question. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Um is now >> are we the only school district with this type of schedule BK um position? >> Oh, I have no idea. I I don't compare schedule B is from the >> And the reason why we want to do this >> honestly because our athletic directors are spending a significant amount of time stocking concession stands, purchasing like physically going to stands and making purchases and then also online purchases. and they spend a lot of time doing this and I feel that they should be worried

104about the athletic side of it, not the concession stand side of it. >> And volunteers are not acceptable. >> I don't stop and to purchase track >> like we used to. >> Yeah, we did used to. the volunt the different groups stock like the fridge and the stuff, >> but you still need somebody who's going to coordinate making sure that there's enough chips or whatever there is. >> Most a lot of schools, the parent organizations run the snack bar stands at the stadiums. >> Yeah, >> I'm aware of that. >> But we have several different groups that do that. We have football, soccer, field hockey, and track and everybody else that have an opportunity to be in there. You need one person to coordinate. >> Then what's what's then if we have this okay if

105we have this manager of concessions will we need to have a a cafeteria person there also? >> That's a good question. >> Uh yeah because you you still need what is it the safe serve safe >> maybe that's a requirement of the manager. >> Yeah >> that they have >> that would certainly narrow the pool of possibilities of who would do it. It would increase the thought that they're going to make $10,000 for the year because I was going to ask if it comes out of athletics. Since that person's doing that, where are we taking that money from? >> And are they doing this during the winter in the in high school in in at the >> 12 month expectation? >> 12 month. >> Correct. >> Where would they be when it's inside? >> We

106have concession stands in our district running. So maybe not in July. So it would be an 11 month expectation. Okay. I just want >> they have to clean it in July >> because the theou that we we got didn't have a specific amount. So you said it's >> match the events manage, >> right? But there there's no amount. So I'm just trying to get a better because you just threw out a number to me. It just >> that's in the equipment. It's equivalent to the equipment manager which is a $10,000 spike >> because it's a 10-month position, right? Or 12 month position. it it's going to carry itself through the athletic sports season, >> right? All three of them. >> Right. So, a coach typically gets around $3,400 for that season, but because there's three

107seasons, right? I mean, that's kind of what we're lining it up to. >> So, now we're we're saying that this individual is going to be uh the north and south concession or are we looking at two positions? >> We're recommending two. >> Okay. So, what is the what what is How much does the athletic director make right now under schedule schedule B? >> Well, you have two different you you have two different scenarios. >> No, no, we we have two athletic directors. >> One, right? >> One is north, one is south, and we have assistant athletic director and an assistant athletic director. >> What does the south athletic director under schedule B make? >> Well, that I I was trying to answer that question. I apologize. Okay, he's act 93. >> Okay. But the schedule

108But there is a schedule B position >> for athletic director >> which is the North athletic director because he's on the professional staff contract. >> And how much is that? >> I I would have to look. >> It's just over $13,000. >> Okay. >> So to run the entire athletic director to run the entire athletic department at North, we're saying is only worth $3,000 more than running the concession stand at North. No, because that teacher so that professional staff member >> does not have a teaching case load. >> So his his full job so he works all day long as athletic director and then the stipend of schedule B is for the additional duties and hours outside of the school day >> which is for athletic director position. >> Correct. But but his title in

109the professional staff though is athletic director as well. >> Right. But he Okay, my point is this. Up at North, we pay him a stipen, correct? On top of his So, we pay him a $13,000 stipen, $13,600, whatever. >> So, we're saying as the North Athletic Director, you are only worth $3,000 more than the North concession stand person. >> No, he gets the regular salary. >> No. No. whether whether he would we ever hire or have we ever hired anybody who is not a teacher in the district as an athletic director? >> Yes. Sean Mur. >> Okay. And how much did he get paid? >> He we matched whatever the north person was making as a full salary. >> So we paid a match. >> We can go into the vote agenda. >> So if

110May I >> please >> But you're not at a microphone so she won't be able to hear. >> No, I know. I'm just I'm just pointing out the amount of work that we're asking an athletic director to do. >> You're trying to compare it to the the st. >> So So a a North High School athletic director, they're in the professional association. >> Correct. >> Their salary is for being an athletic director >> in addition to the >> get the 13,000. >> Correct. >> For the evening hour commitment. And I am telling you, the amount of work that an athletic director does is considerably more than whatever we can ask a concession person to do. So, I'm just bothered by the fact that we're willing to pay $20,000 for two concession stand workers for the

111amount of work that we were asking the AD to do before >> or the assistant AD to do before. I'm assuming that this was the assistant AD shop. I'm just pointing out that that $10,000 is is a significant amount of money to pay for somebody to run a concession stand. That's all I'm saying. >> And the role is the the roles of like are they required to be at every game or are they just buying the stuff? The the thing that what I'm getting at the the the reason why we're doing this is because the the time spent in purchasing and stocking the stands. If all they're doing is purchasing, stocking the stands. >> They are also running the organization of so the concession stands work with all the different parent groups and booster clubs

112in making sure that there's equitable access to that so that they get a piece of the pie of the concession stand profit. So somebody also needs to organize that of who's working and track it. So there is an expectation that they're there and running the stand alongside with the parents >> do >> but with the understanding that there might be more than one concession stand running at a time right so you might have JTL's and south >> so they're going to be doing middle school and high school >> so they would be responsible for concession stands >> there is no concession stand there's none >> there's no summer fall sports outdoor If if JTL has anything, it's usually run by parents. >> Yes. >> Yeah. But I guess I I get I guess the difference

113and and I know it was referenced to before. >> The group that may be volunteering and coming in to serve the concessions >> is is a lot of our parent groups and and clubs. That's separate from >> purchasing >> what the man the concession stand manager would oversee and and take responsibility for completely separate. >> I I know I I I get that. So what you're saying >> what I'm what I'm saying is what I'm saying is really this person you know I look at the current situation of in in the years past as being a parent the the athletic director was responsible for making sure the stuff is there but she was not always she was not behind the stands the parents took over what I'm getting is like it can't like I said

114you go to you know other school districts it it's a whole state like Straber the parents stock it, the parents run it, they have their their display purposes there, they have their shirts on sale, they have their their hats and their scarfves on sale. It's not a it's not a school district employee and the parents that's a major fundraiser for the parents. I mean, if anything, maybe reach out to the PTO and see if the PTO wants to run it as a fundraiser and and it wouldn't cost us anything to do that. >> Well, it is >> and and I doubt with I I don't think that we're not really serving that much food to need a serve state. We're serving prepackaged food there. There's not that elaborate of a of an offering at our

115a snack bar. >> So, I want to be very clear though, it is still a fundraiser for our parent groups and booster club. >> Way better. >> Correct. >> So, >> but >> so I don't understand why >> why it's a PTA. What I'm I'm saying is if you instead of hiring someone to manage it, have someone to coordinate it within the PTO to make I I just cannot see us spending money for a position. >> If you are not comfortable with it, please vote no. It it was it was an opportunity and an option that we had to lighten the workload so that our athletic directors could not be stock boys and we could give that to somebody else so that they could focus on the athletic programs that we have and growing the

116programs and serving the students if we are not comfortable with it as a board. So like this is not a hill I'm going to die on. If if you don't want it and you're not comfortable with it, we are fine with voting no. Can we still have assistant athletic work? Yes, we do. Okay. >> You had something. >> I I was just going to say that I think a more creative solution is what we can work with. Whether perhaps this is a business that the decades run. Uh per did I read your mind? >> Yeah, >> I read your mind. Perhaps >> I mean we have we have amazing coffee shops and everything else in our schools are run by students. Yeah. I >> Why can't we we incorporate this into a program like Yeah.

117Like I never >> I would rather see I would rather see something like that and know that our money and our funding to be sure that that would be done would support those programs than just bringing on more personnel. And I think it would be an excellent experience being a business owner that they should have to experience. >> Yeah. I was going to say the same thing and I I think the other piece here that I want to say is I appreciate that this came to us. Like so here we are. We're having this conversation we might not have ever had before. Like there we're getting some new stuff to look at and discuss and >> I'm I'm excited by that. So doesn't mean I'm going to vote yes. It just means that I think

118this is a great conversation. >> Might be. That's good. And it's good to do it here in the discussion. Exactly. That's what we're supposed to be doing. I agree >> and I acknowledge the need for a position or somebody to take over that role in a concession. Um the ideas that were brought up um you know are something to think about. Um, I was just stating the fact that there was such a tremendous amount of work already put on the athletic director and then the concession was I felt in in my opinion a bit on the higher end of what I would expect somebody who is just ordering the concessions not being there because we don't really have any set I mean maybe we do. Do we have a set uh this is what you're

119supposed to do, this is when you're supposed to be there. This is what's supposed to be taken care of. Is it just >> Yeah. job description or is it just you? >> We would develop a job description >> if you approve this. >> We can also table this and develop a full job description >> to see if favor that >> I would favor seeing the job description before we put the dollar amount on it. or or do we have somebody within the uh I don't know the food services department kind of keep track of those things and do the ordering through their department. >> I I mean the beverages are easy because they're delivered by Coca-Cola now. >> Well, we solved that problem. >> I'm sorry. It's true though. >> I would like no reason

120to plug them there. I I just want to add that when the North did have a booster club. My wife and I were uh active uh participants and we did all the shopping for that concession stand from 2009 to 2014. >> That was just for football though, Wayne, not for the other sports. >> Yes, I said football booster. >> Right. But so >> so we and uh the members of that booster club went to Kiko um cost Sam's Club and we bought it all and we ran the uh concession stand. Uh so that that was my concern is that I am aware that every other school district has parents community volunteering and working with the school district during football concession night. >> That's football. And so what happens is you went and purchased that with

121football money, but then the soccer team comes in and uses the rest of your stuff for your football. >> Well, we actually shared it with the marching band. >> Okay. But actually I'm talking about soccer not talking about >> but I mean I'm totally joking but at the same time you would not be happy. So I think having a common air you know resource and then from that is where you derive the revenue to share right. So is it would it be something that we can recommend to to table with two portions with a job description for one and if uh DECA or FBLA would be something or any other organization that would be something >> I I would withdraw my motion and the motion to table this for further information >> be because there

122might not be in in with with regard to DECA and FBLA, there might not be any interest in that, right? And so I would like to have fall back on. And just to clarify, the Zumper amount, >> we did not arbitrarily >> Oh, no. I know you didn't. I know >> that was what was negotiated into the CBA and that's why I was trying to figure out who fitment manager was. >> An 11 month position. >> Okay. >> So, it matched that time frame and responsibilities of after school hours. So that's where we came up with it. Okay. >> The disparity between the athletic director stipen and the equipment manager, concession manager, I I can't speak on that. >> Right. >> You know, I I kind of what I'm hearing, we like to see a

123job description, but probably would also maybe our athletic directors, who I'm assuming are the ones who came with the concern that they couldn't do all this, maybe if they also present another creative solution other than hiring somebody. So, like if we can have, you know, a job description that obviously you or whoever would work on, but maybe the athletic directors who saying, "Hey, this is a problem for me can also maybe come up with a creative solution." Um, I mean, especially since we still have assistant athletic directors. I to me, if I was an athletic director, I would handle things and my assistant probably would get this as a job to do. I I think the board understands it's not an athletic drive director's job. >> I say how do how do we get that

124away from him and to somebody else when we're saying we get to >> and I just want to clarify they did not ask for this position. >> They came to me with a concern. This is my solution to it. >> Gotcha. >> So none they never came and asked for anything of the board. >> Okay. >> This was my suggestion and my recommendation. So I I don't want to put this on them that we're turning this down. You were turning down my idea, not theirs. >> But but but the the thing is it's >> No, I'm fine with it. >> It's something they should I something that they really should not be involved. >> I don't disagree. >> It's how we address >> which is why I suggested that and and there was an equipment

125manager position. So I just said the other side of it is concession. >> Oh my god. >> So uh Buri did >> I I withdrew >> and I withdrew my second. >> Okay. So now, do we have a motion to table? >> Motion to table. >> Second >> with with those suggestions in mind. >> I So don't withdraw your motions. >> Then I won't. Okay, >> we're tableabling the motion. >> I'm tableabling my motion. Tabling my second then. >> Now you tell me after I really look. Yeah, thanks Chris. >> Now we have a first and second. >> Good to press left already. That's good. >> So >> any further discussion on the table? >> No. Okay. That all in favor of tableabling. >> I opposed. >> Okay, good discussion. >> Um, I lost my

126place. Here we are. >> We're good at discussing, aren't we? >> 13. >> Okay, sorry. I got motion to approve the following notice of charges for employee 8478. >> Questions? All in favor? Okay. >> Opposed. >> Okay. Motion to approve the employment actions listed in accordance with the associated applicable policies, procedures, and contractual agreements. So, this will be all the HR attachments. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Sec. >> Oh yeah. >> Questions. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Motion to set the fund balances as of June 30th, 2025 in accordance with the recommendations of the finance committee. >> So move. >> Second. question. >> Is this is our only option? >> Well, >> I'm thrilled. >> We have a deficit. >> Okay. But we don't know what we're getting. How can we have

127a deficit we don't know what we're getting? >> I just want to be I'm sorry. >> I'm not I'm not I'm not being sarcastic at me. >> We have a deficit from the 2425 school year. That is what we're unassigning to cover that. So, it has nothing to do with this year's budget. We haven't even gotten into that. What we're saying is is that we have about a $10.3 million realized deficit with the 2425 school year. So, thus we need to unassign funds in the fund balance so that we can cover them. And all the money is >> but it will not pass without this. >> And all the money from the 20245 season is done from everywhere. Every option out there closed. We're about about about it's like 10.38 million dollar deficit is what

128we realized. >> Yeah. >> And we get we may get a windfall coming forward. >> I mean a positive one. There's a possibility with a windfall that will go into our fund balance at the end of next year. >> And and this is including the the extra this including the governor the extra allotment that we got that >> the 5.5. >> Yeah, that's this is it that still does it with all that. >> Well, >> that was allowed to be used for 2526. I think we're confusing the the >> years. This is to cover the 2425. The tax equity grant could not be used until this year. >> And where we we're taking it from what account? The capital projects. >> No. No. >> No. >> Future retirement and future healthcare. Correct. Which is >>

129honestly. >> Okay. I'm looking I'm trying. Okay. I'm looking here. Okay. I'm I'm sorry. >> And that's why we put that money there specifically for today. Like specifically to do exactly what we're doing, >> right? which is why we had a a balance that was a little bit more than people thought we should have because there's come one day >> and it's rain here comes the rain. >> So Rich Rich, you're confident with this one. >> I'm I'm This is what I am like super happy right now. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. You're confident. You're confident. >> There we go. >> Then I'm confident. >> Okay. So, um >> with some reserve, but I'm still confident. >> I'm happy. Should we go? We had a motion, right, in a second. >> So, see, we're

130all happy and content. All in favor? >> I oppose. >> Okay. Motion to approve the 2025 Homestead Farmstead annual mailings to be completed by Burke one for both Monroe and Pike counties. Recommendation is Oh, so we have to select Recommendation is select A. I'm not quite sure what that means. Uh, which is listed there. >> $8,000. So, moved. Second. >> Second. >> Oh, I see. I'm sorry, Cass. I just any questions or comments? Well, >> yeah. I just want you to know I think option A was the cheaper version. >> Okay. So, that's okay. We'll go with that. >> Now, this is just Monroe County. Is there a Pike County? >> Pike is there on the next top of the next page. >> Oh, there's Pike. Okay. Sorry, I didn't see >> that's what I

131missed too. So, that's okay. Any other comments or questions? All in favor? Opposed? >> Okay. Motion to approve the payment of bills and unordered treasurers report listed in the agenda for 2526 fiscal year in accordance with section 687 of the public school code. Recent directives from the department of education and interpretations made by the auditor general. >> So move okay this okay I'm sorry. >> No questions or >> I have two I have one one thing I have I have I have to abstain from check number 1701. Right. >> Um and then I have another question. >> Um this is we're doing payment of bills here, correct? >> Yes. >> Um I would just like to question I mean I know we're talking about this other we're talking somewhere else but we're paying a lot

132of other school entities in here >> right in our bills a couple. Okay. Is this the time to talk or am I talking about this later? >> Um here's the deal. You know, we're in the same situation that every public school and every school in Pennsylvania that depends on our state government and our federal government who are lacking in giving us our budget as required. >> We are now we just removed $10 million of one budget to and we still have a deficit for next year. We haven't even worried about we're not we worry about correction. We worried about it. >> I'm worried. No, I'm very worried about it. But but we have no way of planning because we have failed to get last year's bud this year's budget let alone next year's budget. And

133now in another month and a half, we're going to have to >> start working on a proposed budget. We don't know what we've got from this year to know what we have to balance next year. >> Yeah. So there's >> So my question is I I without going through line by line. I see a lot of there's some charter schools in here. There are some other you knowmies in here that we're paying money to. We are a public school that are not we have not got any money in here to pay for our students here, but yet we are paying bills to other schools that are in the same boat as we are, but we're paying them. Why aren't and and some of these charter schools I saw this have a pretty healthy fund balance,

134too. I just think we really need to look at I know there's going to be recommendation from administration to to to cut back a little bit. I say we cut back completely. I'm not saying we don't pay. I say we take that money and if we can have our our our our business office put that money in a in a in another, you know, fund fund balance somewhere that it's there that we're not we're not holding it back. We're just holding on. Huh? >> I'm sorry. >> Can you do that? Is the >> Yes, that's I was looking for that word. Thanks. >> Can I can I ask a favor? Let's get through this because I think we have a motion later on to >> Yeah, but if we approve this to pay then we're

135we can't go can we go back and fix that? >> I I'd say we just take care of it right now >> and then >> Well, you Well, that's a good question. Do we want to pull out the specific checks? Is that what you're saying? >> Well, yeah. Without going through them line by line, there's a few in here and I mean there are some in here. I saw him in there. And Chris, you're looking, aren't you? >> So, you're suggesting pulling out anything that's charter school related from this motion? >> Well, okay. Okay, I'm not questioning, but is the IU not getting money from the state? >> No, they're not. >> Then why are we paying the IU? We're in the same situation they are. >> I agree with you. >> Yeah, but I

136don't know if I would >> We did get revenue. So, a large percentage of our budget is our tax budget. right now >> is the tax base. We have collected taxes at a much higher at a higher rate than we have in the past. So, it's not that we are not flush with cash. The IU does not collect taxes. We have collected our taxes and we have that revenue in. We cannot say to the IU, "No, because then what they're going to say is we're not servicing you anymore." They have no revenue. They get nothing from the state or the federal government, >> but but their revenue stream comes from the sending districts. The sending districts have collected their taxes. >> They don't get the local tax money. >> Okay. So, the IU that's how

137about the charter and cyber schools. >> We have a motion on charter school tuition coming up. >> Yeah. >> But to get to where you're trying to say is we have checks in here that we may want to withdraw. >> That's what I'm saying, right? That's what I'm trying to say. If we vote yes on this and can we if we go to the other line item and there's a couple there's like two >> I think there items but >> and it's not that I disagree with you. I'm just >> being I only see one in there of pen one. >> I thought I saw two at least two. I I can go. So, I mean, >> so I I believe that the charter school payments that you see in here are for something other

138than regular student tuition. I think the regular student tuition is paid >> what would it be for me? >> Correct. And like Bucksmont Academy is in there, but that's an alter alternative ed. So like what I'm looking at here >> is programming for our students that we are electing to send them to meet their needs. I don't think this in here is our this this payment of bills does not include charter school tuition. >> Okay. >> Those alternative place. >> So may I may I if may I ask that the administration closely look at all future checks payments and and before it may hit the register for for clarification for what they're used for. And I mean, I know that probably put more work on the business office, but we are in >> What are

139you specifically asking? >> No, I'm just saying future I'm just saying future checks. I mean, if we're going to limit if we're going to ask if we're going to freeze budgets, you know, freeze extra expenditures in the future, which we've, you know, we've we're looking at with >> we've done, right? Okay. I mean, this is a extra this is something we can freeze too. >> There's >> that. So, there is a motion coming up, >> okay, >> about charter school. >> Okay. So, okay. I I'll put Okay, I'll for the sake of these bills that are in the book right now, I'll say okay. >> But >> okay, >> with the exception of my my >> I'm sorry. I'm very passionate about this because >> but I think what you're saying if there were to

140be any pay any checks that were going to charter schools for payments, which it seems like they aren't. >> I I don't think this is where it comes out of. >> Okay. I'm just questioning. There's a lot of money in there. There's a lot of money in there. >> Okay. All right. Any other questions or comments? Good points. >> Wait. You're still going to vote no, right? >> Okay. >> All right. So, we're back to the motion to approve the payment of bills. All in favor? >> I >> opposed? >> I >> Okay, >> I voted yes. Sorry. >> All right. >> And now we have a motion to approve the payment of the following CHA invoices and applications for payment for services in accordance with the recommendations from property and facilities. So, move. >>

141Second. >> Questions or comments? >> All in favor? opposed. Motion to approve the resolution as presented, withholding a portion of charter school payments until the state appropriates funds to the school district for the 2526 school. Amen. >> Second, >> discussion. >> Okay. What I said. >> Amen. >> Comments. Amen. >> Now, is this is this all is this is this cyber and like there's charter, cyber, everything charter school, which is brick and mortar and cyber. >> Oh, and cyber. Yep. >> Yep. >> And but but you're saying 30%. >> Why not all of it? Because we receive money. We already 30% represents the share that we get from the state. We get our tax money in, right? So we get the revenue from us as taxpayers. That's the other 70%. So it it's unfair to

142>> But but here's the thing. But >> and then what will happen? Just so you know. So what what will happen is if we whatever percentage we hold withhold we suspect that when we start receiving our subsidy from the state whenever it is okay that they are going to withhold that charter school tuition from those initial subsidy payments. So if we withhold 100% we're not basically we're not going to realize those subsidy payments the initial ones because that is how if charter schools do not receive their appropriate tuition that is how they receive it. They withhold your subsidy. >> Accurate >> either way we're >> you you pay for it either way. The point is if you pay 100% today, >> you're basically floating a loan to charter schools because the state's not >> correct.

143>> So instead of floating a loan to charter schools, we just won't pay it. And then when the state does come through with the money, >> we get the money and% charter schools get the money that's owed to the charter school. >> 30% is the magic number. That's the fair amount. That's what is going to hold them responsible and they're going to be in the same boat we're in. >> What's going to hold them responsible? I mean I hope no you know financially no I'm saying financially no I you know what I'm saying like it's going to put them in the same boat we are >> that is the magic number where our taxpayers are not >> the reason why I'm saying this is we're we we have we've been blessed with a fund balance

144that like Debbie said we've been holding and and for this reason and talking to other schools districts at the PBS Bay conference this week there a lot of schools are really in trouble and and then I saw a report that shows these charter schools have fund balances bigger than ours, >> right? Well, this thing I recall >> in the tunes of 2.5 million. No, 250 million >> for the one charter school. $250 million. >> Well, I recall >> do have to for the record. >> Yeah. Unless the governor and and our our uh state legislature is able to do significant sweeping charter school reform, which I do not see happening because there are too many vested interests against that, >> we're still going to have to owe our fair share. So in my mind, let's

145pay it incrementally as opposed to withholding it all and getting a big hit whenever this happens of them withholding our subsidy. >> But what we're saying is is that 30% >> is >> the revenue we would be getting from the state and federal government. Okay, >> so let's withhold that 30%. And perhaps there is actual charter school reform in this budget whenever it is approved and then maybe that is what we're never going to have to pay. >> We might end up having to pay this 30% back, >> but it's not as big of a hit as if we were paying 100%. So you're just to clarify, you're saying the 30% is what they that's what we're getting. That's what we're expected to get in payment from the governments to pay them. >> Okay. >>

146So it's a good Okay. All right. Thank you. >> tax to pay for 70% of each choice. >> Absolutely. >> And it's I I understand that >> there are many districts that are not doing this. So th this is >> we setting a price seen as a radical move. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Okay. Well, >> and we're now >> it's a radical time of year. Welcome to it. >> Which is a good thing. >> Yeah, I forgot I forgot the comment. I I the other point someone just said it. I but I think it's worth repeating. You know, we when we had this big, you know, um bank account, so to speak, we had many of our local or representatives come to our meetings or representatives saying, "You should give this money back.

147You should give this money back." And you know, like to say, "Well, this is that this is why we didn't right here. if they ever come back. Here's why we don't. Because, you know, you can't get your act together and get us a budget. So, that's why we have to keep the money >> us from having protect our students and our and our staff. >> All right. >> Point taken. Thank you. Amen. Superintendent. >> It was really a great discussion though. >> I'm I hope you I hope you don't think it was a bad discussion. >> No, I really do think it was a great discussion. >> I take pride in my and thank for bringing the motion to us. I >> of words. So, thank you so much. >> All in favor? >> I.

148Yes. >> I again opposed. I think that was a 12. >> Okay. Motion to approve the request to renew the already established student activity funds listed. >> So move. >> Second. >> Questions? All in favor? I >> opposed. Motion to approve the request to establish the special activity funds listed. >> Motion. Second. Second. >> Questions? All in favor? >> I opposed. Motion to approve the request to renew the already established special activity funds listed. And there's quite a few of them there. >> Second. >> Uh questions. All in favor? I >> I >> opposed. Motion to close the following special activity funds listed. >> Some move. >> Second. >> Questions? All in favor? >> I opposed. Motion to accept the offer to purchase and summary of just compensation from the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation in

149the amount of $7,400 as presented for the right of way required for district prop from district property at Middle Sithfield Elementary for transportation improvements to US 209. So move >> second >> questions, comments. >> Uh do we know how how much property is that? >> It's like a slipper. it. It's like less than a quarter of an acre, but it's like a thin sliver of >> So, if they take away the curb, we're going to make sure they put the curb back. We should tell them put sidewalks in at the same time. >> We did tell them to put sidewalks. >> Sidewalks are going in, too. >> Well, >> they're putting sidewalks in also. >> No, no, no. I said we we we suggested it. >> Oh, I want to make sure where there's curb

150that they >> then they can't have the sliver. don't have the money for that now anyway. So it doesn't matter >> that they're taking is out >> okay >> of where the existing >> where the curve pets are. Okay just going to move back >> it's kind of off right there. >> Okay ready vote. All in favor I >> I'll try that one again. All in favor? Opposed on the side of the house >> motion to approve the small sale lease agreement and memorandum with new S singular wireless PCS LLC. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Singular. >> Don't ask me to say that again. All in favor? >> I explain. >> Motion to approve the contracts listed for their specific services rates and effective dates subject to the review and recommendations of the solicitor

151and approval of the administration. regarding the terms and conditions of any final contract other than p price or cost and they are listed in the pages. >> Motion >> second >> questions. >> I have to abstain from Bushkill emergency course. >> Okay. Any other questions? Absention. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion to approve the request for information as submitted. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Questions? All in favor? >> I opposed. Okay. Uh, do we have any new business? Okay. Um, enrollment numbers were given to the board members and now I just need a motion. Any announcement. >> Motion. >> Sorry. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. Motion. Motion. Motion. >> Thank you everyone for your attention. >> Thank you for all the beat up. You don't have to be >>

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