McGuffey School Board Meeting February 19, 2026

001everyone. Oh, there's my mic. Good evening everyone. Um, we are going to begin our six o'clock committee meeting here um for this evening. M president, good evening to members of the board of directors, members of the administration team and staff that are here as well as members of our McGuffy school community in attendance. We do have a full agenda for committee this evening. So, we'll jump right into it. Um, here tonight to present the middle school student of the month for February is associate middle school principal, Mr. Justin Wise. Mr. Wise. >> Thank you, Dr. Ever. Hello, everyone. Like Dr. Frederick said, "My name is Justin Weiss. I'm the associate principal in the middle school and I'm honored to present our February student of the month, Skylar Galonia. Tonight, we are also excited to have

002Skylar's family here with us." Skyler, >> we will now play Skylar's video. I do have to tell you Skylar's nickname is Skillet before we watch. >> Okay, nice. >> Cool. Hello, I'm Mr. Principal McGuffy Middle School and it's my honor to introduce to you our February student of the month. >> All right, on some questions. What is your name, grade, and what are you involved in at school? >> My name is >> What do you like to do outside of school? I like to draw um to walk. I do like to walk and play. >> What does being a mom mean to you? >> It means really focusing on paying attention and getting all your work done. >> What's your favorite subject and why? >> Uh I would say because I love >> Is there

003a teacher or a staff member who has helped you a lot this month? >> Uh I would say because And then finally, what advice would you give to other students who want to be student of the month? >> Um, really pay attention, do your work, and thank you for sharing all your answers with us today and congratulations on being Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, next to update the board and the community on what is happening here at McGuffy High School is freshman Kai Akoff. Ky, good evening everyone. My name is Kia Akos and I'm here on the behalf of the student council. Our February school updates are Shrek the musical will be presented on March 26th/27th at 7 p.m. and March 28th and 29th at 1 p.m. Freshman tooured the programs

004at Western Area today. Scheduling for the 26th, 27th school year will follow shortly. McGuffy students in general agriculture and agricultural mechanics and engineering technology took the pre noocti yesterday in preparation for testing in May. McGuffy High School will host Washington and Trinity for our annual MCO Olympics on February 27th. The National Honor Society hosted their second blood drive of the year last week with over 17 units collected which impacts the blood supply for 51 people. The McGuffy Band boosters will have a fundraising night at Formanis on February 23rd. 20% off the proceeds will go to the McGuffy band boosters. Now for the sports updates. Boys basketball final record was 11-11. They just missed playoffs. All conference players were Sam Stout and Colt McGawan. All conference coach of the year was Mike Fadagani. For girls basketball,

005the final record was 12 and 10. Lost in our first round of the playoffs. Extremely young team, one junior, one sophomore, and nine freshman. >> Very impressive. Okay. Sorry, I lost my >> All conference players and coaches will be announced next week. Rifle team finished ninth at Whitfields. Five individuals were in the top 23 of 71 shooters. Riley Fuller, 10th overall, and Dakota Goodman, 15th overall, qualified for PIAA individual tournament. The senior shoot will be held this Friday. Good luck to the five seniors. Wrestling team overall record 17 and three. won John Marshall duels at the for the third year in a row. Third place at TRAA tournament. Section one champions backto back placed third in Whistle team tournament backto back team state tournament qualifiers backto back section one champ wait three individuals Victor Bonis

006Garrett Newman and Tucker Maine earned their 100th career victory this year. Lucas Bar earned his 150th career victory and is in the running for beating Jeremy Hunter's all-time wins. Section results. Blake Jameson fifth. Clayton Elely champion. Lucas Bar champion. Lane Elely fifth. EMTT Wolf champion. Victor Bonis runner up. Garrett Newman third. Aaron Supler champion. And Cash Main sixth. The team had nine individuals qualify for the Whipfield tournament which starts tomorrow. And that is all for our February updates. I hope you all have a wonderful night. Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Okay. Thank you again. >> Okay. As part of our continued ongoing efforts to highlight the outstanding work of our teachers, our staff across the district, um I've asked teachers and administrators on a monthly basis to present what is happening in their

007classrooms, in their buildings, in and out of schools. Uh tonight, uh it is really a pleasure uh to have and welcome um Miss Michelle Orbanic. Michelle is our high school and middle school art teacher. And this is going to serve two purposes. The first again is to share with you all the great things that are happening in her classroom. And two, next month on the agenda of board meeting on on the one of the items that you're look to approve would be what's called an artist and residence. And I'll let Mr. Banks speak a little bit more to that, but we've had artists and residents here in the past that work with our teachers and certainly with our students. So Michelle, >> hi. Thank you so much for having me. Is it okay if I

008just kind of talk to you? >> Because I like multiple I also it's really fun. So all my photographs for the past 20 years here and I just kept finding them. So I have this like old large awkward portfolio that you can pass around if you don't mind like or what however you want to do it really like feel free to ask questions at any point if you want. Um as Dr. Ober said my name is Michelle Vanic. This is my 20th year at Montgomery. It's 22nd year teaching, but I've also met my husband here and we celebrated 15 years this summer. Um, I just want to reiterate, I am here tonight because I'm asking for permission to please invite another artist resident into our building in high school. Um, and here are some examples

009of past residences we've had 20 or so years. Uh okay. >> Y so uh kind of something is at the elementary level. I started in elementary I taught there 10 or 12 years and I've been up here 10 as well. So um I've done a lot of free field trips. I always search for scholarships and things for our students including transportation most of the time to create Museum of Art, the Mattress Factory which is an installation art museum. Uh inflation art is like art for specific and falling water. We're going to falling water again with the art club this April. Hopefully I'll be back asking for that show as well. Um I got a donor donor for Legos. There's a video not showing up here right now. It's probably permission thing from sharing um of

010a little uh it's just a tiny little video. It was very granulated from like 2014 of a student working with my favorite artist in residency which was $10,000. We had a match fun and we did little robots. We did drawing machines. The project was called kind of >> and this is for PDI. Yeah. I don't know who remembers here. Um this was for PDIS. We covered the stage at Clayfield in plastic and he had built catapult slime at this. Um I think it was coander at the time and um I think it was the guidance. So these are current sorry um how many are at high school right now we have some off we did with this painter tape on the wall someday I'd like to paint some um we've got a special request by

011Mr. bonus the sign that you put at graduation. I think it was a bug if I cut it out and then we were asked to paint it and then there you go back it for the weather. I always try to do large scale things in the hallway just to brighten it up a bit. Uh this was I think my first year at school high school and we did a project called echol location with K to 12. uh elementary students designed instruments out of their imagination and then the high school students built them with 3D printing and the woodworking class industrial arts. There was also another component where we put things in the community and they were interactive. I don't remember all the details. I apologize and I apologize for the pictures too because they get

012lost there so it's time to find them. But it was a really fun project that was uh this one is citizens library and this was this was the actual in process finished project. It was six doors like pocket doors that were hinged together and the artist was from Japan. Her name was she worked with our milk at our high school. They made their own paints out of school pigments from Japan. They practice sumi traditional sumi ink materials um in painting and traditional art and then we did this collaborative project across a couple different classes. I couldn't find it. I think it was behind a door that was locked. >> I was I was part of that. >> Okay. Um, this was another one we did with James Simon and we made giant that are currently

013in the library as well. It was plaster and cement was the final, but it was working with I'm trying not to take too much. Okay, this is in the hallway outside of my middle school. So, we worked with Diana twice a community resident and working artist throughout the area. That was our first project with us and now we're doing but we'll take we'll update it. This is 2020. I don't know if you remember and we're just about to start a project with Amber um but so we were asked if we wanted to pivot to do something online instead because the funding might not be guaranteed the following year. So we did it was called cut and paste and we just opened it up also K to 12 and I just posted different assignments we the

014artist and I you know she made videos for us um and they just learned how to make inks from like and whatever I have on here and then we talked about what it meant to use different materials and making art. Not everything has to be expensive from store because they were we didn't know what they had. So we did digital elements too because they were introducing the Chromebooks that year one. >> Okay. This was the second project with Diane Adams. Um this is a notebook that she's asking here. You use these for your month and then they come back to those in the not and we love to do more of those. I have ceiling tiles that we can do. Plenty of ways to decorate the building. Um, make it more colorful. This is the

015art color again. And we soldered stained glass. We abstracted stain glass and we figured out a way to solder in horseshoes. So, we got the horseshoes actually. And then it was just how quickly we were able to pivot on the spot when things change and turn the time but we made it and we love it and it catches the light and the kids are always commenting on that. So this is exactly and um I'll get back to her in a second. Uh we made piñatas. It wasn't a permanent display in the building, but it was co I worked with Spanish student and we came in and they were not even art students necessarily. Some of them were in both class but uh I try to be as inclusive as possible to some non art students

016language students whatever uh as I am with all levels. So everyone is welcome to come at any time. I'm a little more open right now. Hey, can I try this? So uh this is our inspiration. This is his name is Elon. Well, it's not uh this is textile, but it's made out of alternative materials like tops. Um, he used different things than what we plan to use, but we want to use Baylor's twine and alternative material to kind of look at for my art class, class, my sculpture class, my AP class, my independent study class, and all of them. Um, we're gonna work with all of those students this year to talk about what a textile is, how you can make a textile out and how it be sculptural because this man makes textiles that

017undulate, you know, throughout the hallway, but it might be more sculptural. It's not a definite sketch exactly what it's going to look like. It's kind of the process and how it evolves. It will become more defined. probably wasn't that first. There are eight total we're hoping to achieve um starting in March and it it's free for the district. It's from the first $375 administrative fee that is very minimal, but I have budgeted. by hoping that we can kind of recode and use that money from field trips. >> Yeah. Thank you for coming. >> Thank you very much. And again, we will we'll be bringing that to you for the uh the March agenda, the artist residence for you to approve. Okay. Um thank you again. Next on the agenda this evening is a contract renewal

018uh for the McGuffy High School students to continue to attend the cosmetology program that was offered through Penn Commercial uh for the next five years. We had initially invited um and we just learned recently uh that Mr. Bob Bazant who is the president and CEO is actually at the last minute not last minute not able to attend this evening. So uh we did have hopes that he would come here to present the contract itself but Mr. Bonus and I have been in talks with them for and Mark more so than I the better part of the last month and a half. So here to provide an overview of the agreement is our secondary principal Mr. Mark. >> Good evening. >> I have some information here to hand out to you here, but um yeah, I'll

019just hand this out. could you talk over the analysis of the cost structure that we've been while we've been in this contract and I updated it a little bit today with the projected cost of one thing There's a lot of information on that page and if you're like me, you need some little bit of help. So, I don't know if you've all seen me in these yet, but it's not really pretty when I'm put them on here. I've entered the club. I've entered the spectacle club. Um, if you take a look here, I'm just talking about we're up for a new agreement with Penn Commercial for our cosmetology students. Um, if you look at some of the data off this chart and and I know that Dr. forwarded it to you that um over the

020years, I think we've had 56 students attend um some of those are are that attended multiple years. Like one kid would get three years credit because they attended all three years. But whenever it comes to cosmetology, it's one of the options they have at Western area. And our second option that we put in place for the 22 23 school year was pen commercial for cosmetology itself. Okay. For only cosmetology. Now like a western area, it's a three-year program. So you go the first year and then you continue your advanced studies the second year and the third year. um when students and we're going to be heading into scheduling season for the 26th 27th school year. So this is why you know it sort of has delayed a little bit of our process. We usually do

021that in January but we're in February now. Um but um when I'm presenting handbook changes here in a few minutes it also revolves around is pen commercial going to be an option for those students to pursue next year. So those two things are timed to be um and considered to be at the same time. I can tell you this um the way in which we've approached this with pen commercial is that we let students choose. So they tour western area like my freshman toured western area today. They got to go into all the shops and all the programs they have down there. Um get an overview from all the uh staff and all the programs down there. Met with the administrators down there. Um now in two weeks if they sort of have it down

022to two shops like maybe I'm thinking about carpentry and electrical we'll send them back down to sort of okay now go down and take a look at these two shops. Some students know exactly what they want to do right away. Others I'm not sure what I want to do. So that's like you know we'll send you back down to kick the tires because this is an important choice in students young person's life. They're talking about carving out a space in their career and they're making that decision pretty much as a sophomore >> which is kind of early. You know, they're a lot of them don't even have their driver's license yet. Um so, um whenever we have students who are interested in attending, you know, we take all the students down if they interested in

023attending Western area, they signed up for cosmetology. We also allow them to tour pen commercial. All right? So the students go to western area and tour their cosmetology program down there if that's their interest and then we send them up to pen commercial and they do a little tour of the facility and meet with that staff down there and find out a little bit about that information and then the students choose. So it's all driven by students choice and over the last um four years of the previous contract the students have overwhelmingly chosen for cosmetology um pen commercial um the numbers there represented there I think I I have them broken down by each year it's in the second column you see cosmetology has a dash those have been the numbers there so um I

024can tell you it's a popular option amongst our students we love the idea that students are making these choices on their own because that's, you know, everybody likes choices, students like choices, adults like choices, everybody likes to to have those options. We found Pen Commercial to be a quality partner. Um, they provide a lot of enriching activities. They have speakers come in and talk about the business and so does Western Area as well. And I'm not here to say that Pen Commercial is a great program and Western area is not a great program. That is not what I am here to say. That is in no way, shape or form. I think both of them in their own ways are very good programs and I make sure that kids understand that Western area is also

025a quality program when it comes to cosmetology and all the things that they offer. They're a great provider to us but um you know kids get the the option to pick and overwhelmingly they've picked pen commercial. So he u Mr. Mr. Bazant working with him over the last few years and you know I found them to be a good partner. Right now us and Trinity area school district send students to pen commercial for their cosmetology program. All right and I think maybe even more schools will be added to that repertoire in the future. U maybe maybe as soon as next year. That's the whole thing where there are other township now. >> Yeah, there's other schools that right now I don't know if they finalized an agreement with them. Um but right now I know

026that you know ours is up. Trinity has always has already in October they entered into their agreement for the next five years. Right? So this was a four-year contract that we just did. Now we're looking at a fiveyear contract for the next five years. Um he's lifted his costs here. If you take a look uh the the historical costs here on the sheet that I put together um and I know it's small print so I probably I tried to put it on one page. Um there's one I think you had a chance to look at this through the week. One column that I did add is the co if you look at the far right it's the third column in those are the cosmetology kit costs. Now, when a student goes to Penn commercial in

027their first year, they have to purchase or actually our district purchases a kit. And the pen commercial cosmetology kit is I mean I I'm not so sure it would fit on this table. It has all kinds of items, brushes and combs and scissors and just a whole repertoire of equipment that becomes the students to pursue and use. And being that their program is sponsored by um Tony and Guy which is sort of a a name brand if you think of it in the industry um they sort of that's a requirement like if you want to pursue this course of studies you have to have this kit because those are the tools that the instruction is going to be revolving around. All right. So it is an additional cost and over the last and but it's

028paid once. So that is the cost for the kit is 23 $2,382.70 which is a big cost and part of the reason for the cost difference between western area and commercial right is the kit because the co kit cost at western area is much less but you only have to buy it the first year. So I created a column that took out of the total amount spent those kids who are doing their second and third year. So everybody understand what I did here. I just I said, you know, these are they're getting credit for that because they don't have to pay that $2,300 sum for every year. So it gave you a more balanced understanding of the last column about the way in expenditures have been put out at the bottom. Does anybody have any

029questions about the top? >> Sure. >> They have a kick cost and and actually Dr. Oberg reached out to Mr. Milanovich about that and their kick cost is6 $650 also. >> It's it's a one time as well. >> Oh, is it I was thinking they had to purchase stuff every year. >> It's it's a one time as well, but and and to be clear about it, sometimes they're able to get grants and things to offset the cost to the student. So, the final cost of that, I'm not exactly sure what that may be if they depending on a grant source or funding source they have available. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are >> clear at western area. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Leisure, did you have a question? >> Mr. Bones, maybe I'm reading this wrong,

030but the third line from the left, uh, cosmicology kit, it lists $23,827. >> That because Oh, the bottom. No, no. um year 2526 those are the those are the credits for the kids what I tried to break it out is the total cost so if you're a firstear student you pay it but if you're not a firstear student take a look at the number of kids in the program down there if you're not if you're in a second or third year I took that amount off of your final total I gave you a credit because those kids don't have to pay it it's a onetime fee that 23,800. Is that for all 17 students or >> that's for all the students who have been in that program for the last four years. >> Okay. >>

031The final part down. >> Wait a minute, Mr. Bon. >> Yeah, that's only 10. There's 17 students in cosmetology at Penn Commercial. If I read this right, it's $23,827 and a kid is $2,382. The numbers don't add up. >> Yeah, that they do because what you have to do is so let's say the first year in pen commercial if you see in 22 23 >> um we had seven students attend pen commercial. Do you see that? >> Great. Yeah. >> Okay. The following year we had 14 kids, but seven of them obviously are in their second year, >> right? >> Didn't have to buy the kit. Therefore, the credit comes comes down for that in the second year of 14,000. That's, you understand, seven kids at 23, that's 14,000. >> The second and third year

032kids didn't have to pay. >> Yeah. So that's why I gave it a credit because I'm looking at your I'm trying your end column as accurate as possible. >> So there are seven non-first students that that credit is for. >> Exactly. So seven times 23 something that makes that credit. >> Yes. Okay. >> So I you know it's hard to make these balance because like even like do transportation and I and I was very and I thought very carefully about how to give you the most accurate picture like what I'm not is I'm a used car guy. I not about used part, but I want to give you the data like as pure and as clear as I can get it. >> Transportation. >> Yeah, that's what I'm going to get to. So, if on

033here you see the pen commercial included in their cost structure is transportation. They send a bus here and take our kids back uh to and from the program at their cost. Same thing with Trinity. They do the same thing. Um whereas we have to pay the cost for transportation to Western area. Now some years we send two buses some years we send three buses to western area right so when I'm trying to say okay so total cost of a western area student including transportation do I use three time he's paying like pink commercial is paying 25,000 let's say roughly 25,000 for a bus do I use 75 or three buses here for a cost that's not that's not real right bus to bus right I thought was Best way to look at it one to

034one we have to pay for a bus whether it has 20 kids on it 12 kids on it or 40 kids on it right so bus to bus what one bus would cost not what three buses will cost which is our actual cost so I hope I'm not I hope everybody's with me >> did they mention anything about the um about the cost lowering if students or more schools enter the >> No his I think he has an independent contract with each school it's going to be I different and unique to that school. >> Yeah, Mr. Gretzky, I almost pretty good. I mean, the contract looks fine. I just had a couple questions. Sure. >> Um when I talked to Dr. Hberg the other day, he said that pen commercial, I said, "What as far

035as um you know, job placement after after these kids are certified." >> Um and he said pen commercial was like 100% job placement. I was just my other question would be of say 10 kids graduated this year how many do they have a statistic or a percentage of those who actually stay >> certified >> I know they're certified I'm just curious how many of them stayed in >> department pursue that career >> I think that one diff one difference I think each of those programs I don't know the exact answer to that but I do know that pen commercial offers um like if you think about like a technical technical school or college or university, they have a placement office, right, where you can always come back to find opportunities once you've gone through that

036program and graduated. Um, they can help you sort of align with different openings and maybe in the field because you can see why people who need >> cosmetologists or or people are involved with nails or skincare or whatever would go back to those schools and say, "Hey, I have these openings. Can you help us?" Right? You can see how it is. Um, but in terms of a a formal job placement element of their program, I I don't I don't know. But I know that Mr. Bazant talks very highly that they they have 100% job placement, right? >> I know I've heard him said that and I don't I don't know to the degree that um how that number is how that number is given or come at >> which I think is what he was

037getting into. a different direction they can come back and keep your flavor. >> Yeah. And western area may have something similar. It's just maybe not as formalized as that because it's once again we're we're comparing two different programs. Yes, they have the same cosmetology. Yes, it's the same amount of hours. Yes, obviously to sit for your state boards and cosmetology, you have to the state and this is a very regulated industry. Um, you have to have 1,250 hours in order to sit and take your license. Sure. Uh, test. >> Do they fit for the the so Western area they sit for the NOI? And then like there's different state licensing requirements. So at pen commercial, do they do the same? >> Yeah, they do. They they their lensure their lensure program does it's a state

038thing. It's a state board of cosmetology program. That is their knocky. That is their because that's the only way you can get your license to be to practice. >> That is their naughty. >> But at Western Area, >> Western area, they sit for the cosmetology license as well. >> Not a NI is what it is for everybody. Yes. Except cosmetology is a different animal. They sit for the lensure instead of a N. >> Okay. Gotcha. Thank you. >> But it's the certification exam that you have to do to practice in the field. And you know, in each state, if you needed West Virginia lensure, you have to sit for theirs. It's almost like a teaching credential. Thank >> Yeah. One question I have. You said there were 56 total students that we sent there. >>

039Well, now is it those kids? Those were the number of students per year. >> Okay. >> So, some of those kids could have been counted multiple times. >> I was wondering like how many students we had that like completed the program. I'm just thinking of the person, you know, like if we have somebody start in August and they decide that Christmas is not for them, we bought the kit for them already. >> Is there any refunds of that or >> No, I don't think we've received a refund once they commit to the program. We've done that. we have lost one or two students over the four-year period who said this is this is you know this is more than I thought I could put in or there maybe they miss you know the thing about

040this with 1250 hours mandatory you have to get like 450 a year like that that's based on 180 days well kids sometimes miss school so it puts them behind a little bit but I have had two or three students over the years uh withdraw from the program just because they they they didn't find it to be a good fit But that's the same I would imagine you would had students at both tech >> as well. Yeah. >> The only other question I had and it was kind of the hours you were just talking about. I see they have to have 1250 hours. They actually do 1350 hours and it just to cover four plus days or >> the charges for 1250. So okay Western area and pen commercial there they get two and a half

041hours of instruction each day. All right. So times 180 school days, right? That gives you four and it's it's listed here. It gives you 450. Now multiply 450 times three years. That's going to give you 1350, right? That's 100 more than you need. You only need 1,200. And they do give us they give us basically they charge us for 1250, but they actually give us 1350. >> But that gives the student a little work. >> They give us a room if they miss school or Yeah. >> They give them hours to work with. Like the week we were out, those kids couldn't attend all week, right? They miss those hours. They need >> hours >> when they when they whenever they if they do online, they don't do online every day that they're out. But

042um if they need to make up those hours, they can make up those hours in the summertime in the evenings that they've worked with the students to do that. >> I have an question. Um how many does have something like 78 students at 10? We have a lot >> that's listed right here. >> Yeah. This this year we have 87. Last year we had 96 at Western. >> Yeah. >> It's it's kind of rare that a student will start out on a path at a CDC program and then change. It does happen. Um I would say it's it's probably less than 5% of students make a change in there, but it does happen. And then on the other hand, I have students who are here all day and maybe junior year they decide they want

043to they want to do something. Um so we try and >> that's a little more challenging to get the hours in >> the career choice and yeah, they'll never be completers in that program, but they're showing that that this is something I want to do and so we try and and plow the road for them. >> Yes. Um, since Penn Commercial is a it's a post-secary education institution. So, there's adults there >> and then we have high school students there. So, are they immersed with the adults or are they in separate classrooms? >> They segment those students in the back. Um, both the Trinity students and the high school students have their own designated areas in the back. There are adult students that are in the program there, but they they are not taught with

044or in a classroom with those students, the high school students. that's always been and I think Pen Commercial had to sort of find their way around that whenever they started taking high school students because it was an adult >> adult facility and they had to sort of segment that and they had to assure us that um you know that our kids are going to be safe and their kids are going to be in with other kids their age um like western areas of course >> they used to run in the evening >> right so are there um I think it said this the seat limit was >> time commercial. Is there a seat limit for western area? >> Um the seat limit in western area is based on whatever they I don't know really what

045how they determine the seat area down there. They they don't they don't really give us anything like you have this many seats in welding or you have this many seats. I don't know what you would base that. Is it based on enrollment? Obviously they try and fit everybody into their first choice. So they don't say like >> they don't say we're guaranteed 20 seats. >> They do. They do. That's why students have to put in for a first choice, a second choice, and a third choice >> because if there's not a seat available in their first choice, then they drop to their second choice. And if there's not a seat available in that, it goes to their third choice. So they they do a lot numbered seats for each district. We actually get 12 in

046cosmetology. >> Yes. 12. And that was >> I think it was last year there was either two or three that attended Cosmo at Western area and the year before it was two or three. One of them was three years one or I'm sorry students. Okay. One of them was two students. >> My question to that was going to be you almost actually answered it is when they're show interest at Western through the touring you also tour them at 10 commercial to give them that choice. It's not students. I guess it's the enrollment period that I'm getting getting at to ask a question about in regards to Western area has their enrollment period. The pen commercial has an enrollment appear enrollment period. Are if students miss the enrollment period for Western are they then offered pen

047commercial later in the year? Does that make sense? Yeah, but the enrollment period is usually like the end of the year. Like in the western area, as long as we have those applications in um by the end of the school year, and I'm talking like May, April, they want them in early April. We usually give it to them, you know, around that time. Some schools that's nine schools coming, so they don't get them all at the same time, right? But a lot of times they will they will do their best. I think the situation with cosmetology is it's going to be based on the number of students they had in it last year. So let's say they have a total of 60 seats, >> right? >> So if they had 40 of them filled up

048from the juniors and seniors of of of last year who are going to be in their second and third year, then they got 20 seats. If they had a bigger number than that, then they might only have a limited number of seats >> for their freshman incoming class, right? No matter what school you go to, right? This >> the seats are only as matter of opening. um pin commercial also they've let us send students as late as you know the last day of school hey we have another student who's interested they've made a decision here they so the timing of enrollment or the enrollment period is not really there's always both both programs have worked with us with that which we're lucky for a lot of times the only issue that we run into with

049western area is that you know there's no seats you have to go to your second choice um which was part of the reason for bringing this agreement on in the first years ago, >> right? >> Part of the the problem. >> The last bottom part are sort of the numbers that break out of the proposal for the next five years, right? So, those are the costs. He's offering $16 an hour for,250 hours. You know, we're going to get 13, right? Because that's what the math is that they're there every day. Um, so they charge you for 12, but you actually get 13. Um, that's a to do the math. That's $20,000 for a three-year program for a student to complete. That's 6 $6,666.666 cents a year. That's a one-year tuition versus a three-year tuition. Um,

050obviously the price of the kit is is also part of a firstear student, right? We talked about that. That'll give you a total cost of 9,000 um $9,49.36 to send a firstear student to pen commercial through the life of this agreement. >> Um so >> and again they include trans there's no transportation. They include a trans. They include a trans. >> And am I reading this correctly then? Um this current contract is coming in um less than >> less than the previous one. >> Yeah. For the tuition. >> For the tuition. >> Yeah. >> And the kit has remained the same price. >> Same price throughout. >> That's amazing. Considering cost of everything. there now that I work with that work at but I is international brand that's why that kit I mean they going

051to go out and work with that kit that's all the tools they need to go out and work with they're ready to work that day >> well and I don't think a lot of people understand with cosmetology when you go to get a job as a cosmetologist you have you're responsible for your own materials >> my I have a nephews and grandsons that went the programs like masonary and other programs they they never got their birth choice. They always had to take the second and third choice, but when they were done, they had to purchase their own tools. So that wasn't So that was a big thing. >> The kit goes with the students, >> right? That's how Yeah. >> Well, I was just I don't think a lot of people understand that cosmetologists have

052to >> Yes. Right. have their own >> and if they want the next best thing, it comes out of their pocket. >> Yeah. >> And it does change. >> The equipment does change. So And the next question off of this, the next logical question off of this is is a couple things like one, what are our costs at at Western Area next year, right? Because that's what you're sometimes you're looking at what what one cost versus the other. I can't give you what those are going to be next year. Western area hasn't given us probably won't give us that till May, maybe even June when they're finalizing their budget. And how many of course once again so let's say the bill is I think last year's was $59,000 or something like that 500 59 something

053something something something um how many students is that based on to get a per pupil cost I don't know exactly what that what that transportation differences in >> yeah I was able to get sort of ideas about transportation for Mike so I I was able sort of oh you know I went back and got the transportation numbers of what we paid for a bus and I divided it by 44 kids to give it sort of a count to allow for some kind of cost for transportation. That's the only way that made sort of made sense. 44 kids sit on a bus. >> So is that sort of accurate? But at least it gives you a bus to bus ratio that makes some sense. This is, you know, it's as close as I can get it.

054I sec second year of this contract, proposed contract, I know a pen commercial cost. What will Western Areas cost? I have no idea. And that's sort of what we ran into with the first contract. We looked the costs were very similar at that point that first year. But after that first year, we know what pen commercials won't be. We have no idea what western areas is. You know, they and in western areas, they have been falling. I'll be honest with you. Western area costs per pupil have been falling partly because after the pandemic, they just got an extra 10 15% of students from almost every school district. like it's just ballooning down there with kids and it has transpired into less cost >> for our district and because they don't need to charge as many

055because there's more kids attending if that makes sense. Um I don't know their formulas that they come by and I looked at the bill that Charlene and she uh thankfully helped me sort of say how was I able to track these costs? Where are these numbers coming from? I know what we paid at Western area and how many kids I said. So that's where the math came from. Well, it only makes sense because our like our CTE program, the more we have enrolled, the more funding we get >> and then the more that sit for the Nazi. So, it it would be connected that way at Western Area as well because the number of enrollment would be directly correlated to the the amount of funding that they get. And so, if we have higher numbers,

056then we're going to have lower costs >> to the district per student. But that's a higher number in all of their programs, not just cosmetology. >> Yeah. >> In general. >> Yeah. We only get build by one big bill for all the programs. So I never knew what sort of what the breakout is for cosmetology. Right. >> But they have been if you look at their cost per student and over the years they have been coming down um a little bit of a jump up, but for the most part they've been they've been coming down >> was up was up from the previous year. Not too many things are less expensive in 2025 26 than they were in 2120. But >> one question I love I mean they're making the choice. I I think that's

057great that we're giving them an option >> that they can decide. That's kind of exciting. >> Yeah. I I I you know where we can you know I I can tell you that my kids that that go there um they want to be there and I can tell you that my kids that go to Western area they want to be there too. Like I said I think they're both good providers. I think the choice makes education and learning more personable which is a strength >> right >> that that kids will do better in areas that they've actually chosen and had had some opportunities. Adults do better when they have choice. Um but I also realized that you know you guys have decisions to make that are um partly based on financial considerations and things like

058that. So um like the way I did my handbook things I did one with pen commercial students and one sort of without the opportunity for pen commercial because I have to sort of schedule these students last year uh for the for next year. Um I did put on here let's say um that you do not agree to this contract. Um Mr. Bazan has offered a teachout provision whereas he will provide transportation and that's in the very right hand corner of this sheet. Um so a teachout provision meaning that kids who started at pen commercial or in the program right now they can continue there and then whenever they graduate we won't have any more students there. So, it's sort of like a they it's called like a tea chow, right? They we won't take it

059from the students who are there now, but we wouldn't let new students enroll in it. >> I don't know why we would take it away from any >> I I just had to be prepared for everything. So, I just wanted to make sure everybody had all the options. So, if we if um we would have 12 students next year because I have five graduating, 17 minus those five, the cost would be in at the cost of a secondyear student would be about $80,000. And then the following year, seven of them graduate and then you'd have five left and it'd be about 33 33 and a half. >> Yes. >> Um with with the 10 commercial agreement, >> what are what is the tuition going to be because this is five years. What is it going

060to be each year? Is it going to be the same that it is currently the 2526? That's what the proposal is. No, the the the 26 27 the bottom numbers will be the numbers for the next. >> I see. I thought that was that teach job option only. Okay. So, this is Okay. >> I I know that's a lot to a lot to consider, a lot of factors that are involved here. So, I'm just Yeah, Mr. Le, >> Mr. Jones, if I read the contract rate, it says that there's a 4% increase per year. >> Oh, yeah. That's a good point. another provision that they have added to this contract and I'm not sure at pin commercial. I'm not sure I can look real quick because I have the old contract. I'm not so sure

061it was in there before. It may have been I can look and find out. I have the other contract over there. Um there is a if you take a look at page page four it says pen commercial reserves the right to increase tuition by up to 4% annually. So he has added that as part of his um >> but in the four years we've been there. >> No, he's never increased it. He's never changed it since the initial one. Um but that now we're looking at a five-year and once again that's why I mean there's a lot of factors here to consider. I mean it's a great program but I also know that we struggle sometimes with some things. So knowing all those costs up front, I think can give you the best best opportunity

062to make the decision you need to make. >> The 4% is new for this contract. Is that correct? >> I thought I thought he had said that it it was a new provision. >> I have here I have the one we're on now and it's not in there. >> It's not in the old contract. >> No, I didn't think it was. >> Okay. So, it's a new provision that they're >> Yes. >> reserving the right to increase. >> Yeah. >> So, in five years that' be a 20% increase. >> Not necessarily. >> Why not? >> It could be. >> It says they're they're leaving. They're not saying they're going to do it anymore, >> but it could be. It's something. >> But I'm saying you can't say that it's a guaranteed increase. >> No, it's

063not a guarantee. >> It could be up to 20% in five years, >> right? And we don't know what the deal >> and again the transportation costs are taken care of by pent commercial. >> Yes. >> And that doesn't change over the course of the contract. >> No, >> Mr. Bus. I'm just trying to understand the cost difference between the two. And the only thing that I can come up with is if you look at the year 2025 2026, Western area had three students. And if you come clean across the line, you have the transportation cost, you have the cosmetology kit, comes to $7,43. >> Mhm. >> And if you do the same thing to the next line below, it's $9,466. So that's a $2,400 difference >> in 2021 222. >> No, 2526 >> for

064the first year. >> That's for the first year student. >> First year student and incoming student >> because they have the 2,300. Yeah. You go back to the kit. The kit really is what blows the tuition >> for that first year. >> Keep those off. Yeah, those for the first year. >> Understood. >> Now, how many buses do we have currently to go to the western area? >> Three. And are they maxed out? >> They are right now I would say they're not 100% maxed out, but they are they're they're pretty full. Two kids in the seat. Two high school kids in the seats about their bus capacity 50. >> No, the bus capacity is 44 students. >> 40 what? >> 44. >> 11 11 seats per row. Two kids in a seat. >> 22

06522 seats. Two kids in a seat. >> 44. That's 132 students for three buses and we're sending 87 to Western area. >> Mhm. So, what I'm trying to say is that your transportation cost is not going to increase by $539 because you're already paying for those buses anyhow until you reach the 1332 limit, right? Would be the max capacity. The max capacity of three buses is 132 students and we have three of them now. So that means we have basically 40 more seats available almost. >> Mhm. >> So I can't see how you can charge $500 per student for transportation. It's a complicated figure because as the more students go, the less that number is. It goes down. But all key things the same. Right now, if we have three buses gone and we're paying

066for them and we add 10 more students to those buses, it's not an extra $500 per student because it's already paid for because we haven't maxed out the buses. >> But at the same time, you have to look >> I'm talking to Mr. Bonus. >> I'm sorry. I thought you were done. >> No, I I think what I was trying to do I >> understand trying to come up with a cost for that and it's very difficult to do. >> Yeah. Here's what a run costs us, right? Right. For 180 days. I think the run is $130 a day for 180 days, which is 20ome,000 a year. 20 >> right >> three. So 44 kids on a bus. I'm trying to say it. I don't think it's when I was trying to look at that

067I was trying to say there's not a fair way to say that a western area there has to be some cost that we're paying for them for transportation. I don't agree that it should be three times that number, right? But I thought, you know, once again, it's not a perfect way to look at it, but there's no transfer cost for pen commercial. How do I represent something that is logical? Bus the bus one to one, >> 44 seats on a bus. Here's how much it costs this year. I was just Mr. Leader, I was just trying to look for a way to sort of represent the cost of transporting Western Area students. I understand >> that's part of understanding the total cost. >> That's what I'm trying to come up with. And if you take

068the first year that $500 for transportation, if you have not maxed out the capacity of the buses that we have going down there, if you put 10 more students on them buses, there is no additional cost. Right. Uh, one bus, we have three buses that go to Western area and one bus is paid by paying commercial. Is that what we're good at? I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to understand your math. >> What I'm trying to understand is the current buses that we have going to Western Area. How many is that? >> Three. >> Okay. So, that means we have 132 seats that can go there, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. We have 87 students going there now. >> So if we added another 10 students to that bus, there's not going to be an

069additional cost because we already have to pay that for the current amount of students on there. >> I see what you Yeah, I see. You have to pay for a bus no matter if there's five kids on it or 15 kids on it. Yeah. And the at the beginning of the year, we've uh had some students move and change course and we spent we ended up I think we started this year at like 94 kids. >> Um and I want to have a third bus once we we have the need for it. >> But we had 94 kids. We've had some kids move. We've had some kids change programs. >> So now that's a current accurate number when I go into power school where it's at. >> All right. So if I take the $7,000

070and the 9,400 and I subtract out $500 for transportation that first year students costing the guppy $3,000 more to go to Ben commercial >> with the first year. So if you're saying that the difference in the 2500 yes that would be accurate. >> So times 10 students that's $30,000. Not all of them if they're all first year students and none of them are year two or year three students which you know they're all >> trying to go with something to compare. >> Yeah. I mean that's what that's what I struggled with. I wanted to give you the most >> I wanted to make the most logical sense and keep it all exposed here. So but trying to find a a formula to sort of represent things was the best I could. >> It's extremely complicated.

071I understand. But >> it was worth it. It was it was good to know. >> From what I'm seeing though, the numbers that I have is $3,000 per student for the first year. And if you have 10 students is $30,000. And if we was to send them to Western Area, we would save $30,000 for first year students compared the price what the difference is. >> Yeah. What's the What's the difference of if we have 30,000 minus the cost it would take to send them to Western area which would be small. So that's >> No, no, no, no. The $30,000 is over and above what it already cost to go to Western area because you have $9,400 to go to Penn Commercial. You have $7,43 to go to Western area. But if you take out the

072$500 transportation cost, >> unless you're maxed out on buses, that's a $3,000 difference between firstear students. >> So if you have 10 students, that's $30,000 additional to go to Penn commercial >> for first year. Yeah. If they were all first year students all paying that $2,500, >> right? >> Yeah. In that scenario, if they were all first year students, that's correct. That's why I'm trying to figure out the best way to calculate it. And that's I think the only way you can do it. >> You're like me. I'm trying to figure out >> it's complicated. >> Um, >> another area that I have problems with is I know the instructions are separated at Ben Commercial when they have their classroom instructions, okay? But when they go to the lab or to the hands-on area, it's

073not separated. >> I think it's mixed because it's more of a salon environment. >> They only have one >> spa, whatever you want to call it. >> One one part of that facility that facilitates both adults in >> Yes. So they are intermixed when they're doing the hands-on part of the schooling. Um, Western area had a project two years ago. I think it increased the number of students that was able to go to cosmetology >> and did a total renovation of their >> um cosmetology class. When we initially looked at this, it's because we didn't have the capability to send students to Western area because we didn't have enough slots to get them in because it was maxed out. So, this was an alternative to get the students what they wanted to go to pen

074commercial. But over time, it seems to me that we're have a westernary technology school that we actually own a percentage of, depending on how many schools, districts it represents. But yet, we're only sending three of our students to cosmetology at Western Area and we're sending 17 to Penn commercial. Um, that just doesn't seem right to me. Um, you're basically taking taxpayers dollars for the first year of $30,000 that we could use somewhere else in the district. >> I was to say everything that you said is is correct. They just did they did a western area and like I said, I believe both programs are good programs. I mean, I don't think our kids go there, but West area did do a renovation of their cosmetology uh program. I think it was two or three years

075ago, and they've they upgraded their facilities and increase the amount of seats available for students to attend, but they did make a commitment to their cosmetology program there. And that's true. I mean, I I think it and I think the kids that go there enjoy that format better. And like I said, uh both of our providers do a good job at it. But I know there's a lot more to look at than just that. So that's why I'm >> I want to make sure I understand. We have 12 seats for cosmetology at Vette. Correct. >> At Western Area. Correct. I'm sorry. I know they I know they like to be called >> Western Technology Center. Not VTEC, but So 12 seats. Correct. >> Yes. >> So out of 132 seats that are available on the

076bus, only 12 could be seated for cosmetology. And we currently have three at Western area, 17 cosmetology students at Penn Commercial. That's 20 students. So if we had the only half choice they had was Western area, we'd have eight students who wanted cosmetology and wouldn't have a program to go to. Correct. >> That would be correct. Correct. >> That's correct. And if you look at the year before that, we had 19 at Penn commercial to cosmetology or excuse me at Western area 19 2021, right? >> So there would have been nine students um who had no program to go to if their only choice had been western area. In addition to that, I think we fail to to consider for the families for the students who choose what uh Penn commercial um their families also

077pay tax dollars and shouldn't they be able to have the choice as to where their student which program their student goes to as far as the tax part of their tax dollars going to that? I think the thing to remember is our vision statement. What is our vision statement? Anybody? We will ensure all students reach their greatest potential. In order for all students to reach their greatest potential, it needs to be their choice. And our job is to help them. achieve their greatest potential in following their choice as to what they want to achieve. And I think that gets lost when you start looking at some of this. But additionally, in the time that we've had mathy students in the pen commercial program, have we ever had any problems, discipline problems, facility problems, anything like

078that, Dr. Ober, regarding our students? >> Not that I'm aware of >> on a safety issue. Never. No. So again, keeping in mind that regardless of how many seats are on the buses, we still only have 12 seats for cosmetology at Western Area. >> Do we know our first first year or is that like in total >> total seats? >> That's total seats. >> So >> total seats of >> 12 >> year one, two and three. >> Yeah. Okay. So looking at the interest in cosmetology on a historical basis, if we eliminate and this is again goes back to one of the reasons we considered this for the first contract that we had with pen commercial was because there were students who wanted cosmetology and didn't have a program because they couldn't get in. Now

079I understand they could choose something else, a second or third choice. I have nephews who wanted to go to western area and couldn't get their f their first choice and they chose they got in for their second choices I believe both of them and neither one of them worked in those fields because they both worked in what they wanted as their first choice. So, we as a district paid for their schooling in those technical areas and they're not using that because they couldn't get the program that they really want. This is an opportunity we have to provide our students a choice and the ability to get what they want regardless of the limitation of of seats in a particular program. You know, we've said it before. How many of us have sat here at this

080table? Oh, it's I'm just I'm all about the students. I'm all about the students. I'm all about the students. this is an opportunity where we have to be all about the students. >> I don't disagree with that. I I think part of the concern for me is the deficit we face and I think choices are awesome, but we do have to consider that when we're making these decisions because put us further in debt. I I understand that, but at the same time, I don't know that it makes sense to cut cost >> in in a way that limits students choices and options because then you're going to have students who can't get the career training that they want. Is there something you'd like to say? >> Yes. I I think we have to be careful

081because we are going to be voting on this um at the meeting right after. This is not our working session where we're allowed to talk. >> Working session. Um I just want to make sure we're not deliberating on how we're voting or anything like that. But this is a working session. >> We are allowed to talk. Correct. >> Yes, you're allowed. >> Okay. Then I'm not sure what your concern is. >> Well, you asked me to say what I was saying out loud and so I have um and that is my concern. Thank you. You're welcome. So if we look at this strictly financial and I think we should give every student every opportunity to do whatever they want to do but unfortunately we have a limited amount of money to spend. We're not talking

082about English, math, reading, science. You have 17 students that went to Penn commercial years 25 26 at some point in time they was all firstear students and the difference between a firstear student for Western area tech school and pen commercial if you take 17,000 times that number gives you $51,000. So, we're saying that we're going to spend $51,000 more on 17 students rather than use that $51,000 to better all our students. I think what I'm saying well I don't think what I'm saying is I am concerned less about that cost than I am about students being able to have the program that they want and all students who are interested in attending a cosmetology program having the option based on what that you're suggesting we would have had eight students this without the pen commercial

083option who wanted cosmetology and weren't able to get in that program at Western area. That's a fact. >> Yes. >> Does that have an effect on their performance and their attendance and their attitude? I would say students are known different than any adults that if they have their choice and they've selected something and they don't get it then that their interest could Wayne. Yeah. I mean um I think that's is apparent from everybody would have the same response in this room. students that I work with have done that if they're unhappy whatever reason it does reflect in the classroom it does reflect any attendance if we want them to be successful we're not trying to encourage them >> well high school students a lot of times would I'll just give their bent on it they'll

084be like well why did they get that opportunity I don't >> theirs is their lens is a little different it's more sort of straightforward type of >> I know previously Um, articles of agreement have been brought up to me at Western Area. Um, is there anything in there that states that we would have to fill those seats first before outsourcing? >> No. >> Because I know I know the the previous list looked at those and said there wasn't anything wrong with sending students elsewhere, but I thought there was something in there that stated that we would have to fill the seats at Western first before like that's our agreement with Western. Yeah, I think we look we looked at that when we first I think there was Dr. Oberg, if you recall, we received some

085communication that they didn't think it was fair or legal that we were sending students to pen commercial. um and that the school code provided that the only ones mentioned in the school code I'm trying to remember were CDC's recognized CDC's and um I think that was that was trial ballooned by the Andrew and Price maybe at that time they said that's an interpretation of that rule that's not the rule but there's no there's you know the agreement with western area is not one that I've ever even seen with and I've been here 15 years I've never seen seen that agreement. So if there's language like that, I've never heard it and it's obviously not been instituted because of this agreement >> and it's not in the school code. School code doesn't >> Yeah, it was

086an interpretation of the school >> interpretation of the school code and they were challenging both mathy at the time of course Trinity as well. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> There's another question I just would like to respond to Mrs. Jackson. I'm not saying that we don't give all of our students the option to go to cosmetology. I wouldn't eliminate any student from going to cosmetology. But if we have 12 spots at Western Area, I believe they should be filled first. If we have extra, then we can look at pen commercial. That was the original reason why we did it in the first place. Um, and you can talk about choices in that all you want, but when you're talking about $51,000 with a district that got $1.8 million deficit, and that $51,000 is just representative

087of 17 students. That's a pretty big pretty big number for a few amount of students. So, I'm just trying to point that out. I have no problem with pen commercial or western area. I just feel obligated that since we own western area a percentage of it we should be using it first and if we don't have enough students if we have more students than what we can take then we have to go to something else and this is an option but whenever I see three students two students three students four students when we have 12 spaces that just doesn't seem right to Any other questions for you to understand why they consider their teaching in commercial farm over? >> I think that that comes down to just I think it's the uniqueness of the student.

088No, I haven't I haven't surveyed them. I just sort of I give kids choices. I I provide them the opportunity to make that decision and I and I give them the choice. I I try not to me that would almost Yeah. I don't want to scrutinize their choice. I want to support their choice as much as possible, but I think it's, you know, they are they do have different dynamics that go into them. They do they look different. Um they're not the same. They're not the same thing. They're both quality programs, but I just think some kids um choose that the way somebody might choose a red car over a black car or or whatever, whatever, whatever. We all make choices and uh teenagers are no different. And um I don't think that they say

089I don't want this one. I I I don't I no I don't want this one. I want this one. I think they seriously take a good hard look at where they think they want to see themselves for the next three years and then they make that choice and they've made that choice once again as individuals. Um I haven't surveyed them. Why this one over that one? Um because we've given them the option. >> Thank you. And I'm not sure what that result would say. Probably be very varied. The response would be kind of varied. >> I have one more question and if you answered it earlier through the process of trying to do our math and everything, I apologize if it's redundant. I noticed in the previous agreement um there were 20 total students to

090enroll with the or there were 20 seats available. Mhm. >> Is that garbage in this newer contract that I'm I'm not seeing? >> Yes, they're limiting us to 20 students. >> So, the the limit is still the 20. Okay. Yeah. >> I I apologize. I missed it in there. Okay. So, 20 at 10 commercial, 12 at Western. Okay. >> Mr. Rose, >> just one more. I just want to make everybody aware under terms and termination we can if they start running the 4% up on us every year we can back out of this contract to give them the notice and then they'll teach out they also have the that's where the teachout option let's say let's say the costs become overwhelming they employ the 4% then we have the option of withdrawing from this contract

091>> and they would teach out the students that are enrolled in it at at that period is my understanding at the cost that's listed there in the 2026 27 projection. >> So, >> yes. >> Um, >> yeah, >> my mind just went blank. Uh, you know, we're talking about students here who are making career choices. Um, we're also have on our plate different projects. We're looking at a hiccup bond out for some of us recovering the track out on the field. Sure. >> Okay. Maybe that can be put off to the side if we're worried about that much money right now. Um, also a little later on in the pro in our agenda here, we'll be voting on a uh uh program with the Watkins Institute, uh, which is pretty expensive per student. Um, so

092I'm I'm just saying >> we have to think about these students again. >> Absolutely. I respect your this is not easy decision to make. I mean, I respect any decision you make. I will, you know, I've been here a long time. I leave I try and give you as the best information I can. I try and speak plainly. Um I try and give you the information about the students and their perspective and and what the costs are because I know that's a concern. So that's what I've tried to do. I think it's a it's a good opportunity, but I know there's other considerations. >> Thank you. >> So I'm sorry. >> Nope. It's okay. I'm sorry. I I had thought of one more question with the teach out because earlier when you presented it I

093thought I understood it to be that if we didn't approve this negotiate or this contract this agreement that the teachout would be off would be the option that they would allow for is that in this contract that they would do that >> the teachout is provision >> it is in there I couldn't I didn't see it I apologize >> it's in the very end of it >> very end >> it's in the last paragraph >> I had missed But we do >> page nine. >> No, they cover >> one thing that's not clear. >> Oh, it does say the school district shall further assume full responsibility for providing and funding all transportation for students to and from commercial for the duration of the teachout period. >> Yeah. So, we would and a bus I I

094got a price on a bus. So, a bus a bus run isund right now it's $131 for a run. That's to and from. So that equals out. Well, you know what it costs right now? It's 23724. That's what a bus run costs. >> To you were saying >> to western area or dependent commercial run is a run. >> Okay. I wasn't sure what you meant. Okay. I didn't know if that mileage was different. >> And that leaves Okay. So my question with that one is so we're covering transportation. They'll teach amount at at $16 an hour for the tuition rate, right? And they keep the price of the kit the same. Um >> well kit wouldn't be a factor if it's >> unless they're if if they're first year student let's say we we pulled

095it in the first year student we won't be taking anymore >> right >> um but if we pull out an agreement let's say in year three because the escalating cost and things like that the teachout provision I think is only in place and I might want need to look at that teach out provision is it only in place if we don't renew this contract for our current students or if we pull out do those kids get to teaching. Those are two different >> the paragraph in that section n says >> in the event that any of sections 1 through 16 above are rejected, denied or not approved for by the school district for any reason, pen commercial shall provide a teachout for all students actively enrolled inology. So that says to me both. >> Yeah,

096I would interpret that to mean both. >> Okay. >> Thank you. I know you got this. >> Don't go anywhere. >> Wait a minute. >> That's my favorite part of the whole year. >> I Yeah, you need to take a quick break. Um, but next I have Mr. Bonus presenting. Also on the agenda tonight is the academic student handbook for the high school for the 2026 2027 school year. And again that will be uh right after we look at pen commercial um contracting agenda that will determine uh version A or no I'm sorry I think you have it version one version two. So do you want to give us the highlights of the >> Yeah I'll just give you the highlights now you know and you know this is one of the things that um

097I enjoy it but I can be longwinded about if I promise to be brief tonight. Um so every year our basically course of studies of the high school and I bring it to you for revisions to our academic handbook which basically is our course of studies our plan courses a lot of things in there it's it's really what guides us in terms of what we provide to the students at McGuffy School District um so if you look here I go through every department and every change in that handbook and red is uh deletes green is additions and black excuse me black is deletes red are edits and green are deletions. So the biggest ones this year and I have a version A version B based on your decision with P pin commercial because I need

098to move forward with scheduling. So I put them both on there but there the only difference in version one and version two is pin commercial is mentioned as an option. In version one it's not in version two. So those are what those are. Um I'll just hit a couple highlights. Um and if you pull up the document there. Number one, um, personal finance is being added across the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as a graduation requirement by the state of Pennsylvania. Personal finance, how how to manage money, how to uh, you know, involve credit, how interest is calculated, how to purchase things, major purchases. Everybody sees the wisdom in this. In fact, McGuffy High School has had a personal finance class um that meets the state requirements without even changing the thing. And we've had it for

099the last five years. So, we're ahead of the curve there. We know that that's an important tool for students to understand how money works and how to plan their life financially. It's probably the biggest disservice we could besides teaching them not to swim >> that that yeah, we can't do anything but not teach them how to handle money, right? So, we have this in here. It's going to be a graduation requirement. We as a school district can decide when to put deploy it in as a graduation requirement. We just have to have the course up and running for next year, which we already have. Um, meeting with guidance counselors, uh, looking at page seven, academic requires for graduation. Here's how we're going to do this. We're not going to add another requirement on to students.

100We're right now they have to have 5.5 credits of electives in their 26. We're just going to cut that down to five and make that personal finance a required course and that way they don't have to take it additionally. Yeah, they already have a a full boat. They have seven credits today. Like you don't want to add it. You don't want to make an ad minus, right? So, um we already have kids. I would say probably 25% of our kids have already taken this class um and already met that >> and they can take it anytime over the four years. every anytime over the four years. And it won't be a graduation requirement for McGuffy High School until our current our current sophomores will graduate because that's the year they take it. They can begin

101to take it. So, it's not like next year we have to rush to fit everybody in >> for the juniors and the >> for juniors and the seniors. But for sophomores, that's, you know, it's not pushing it too far down the road, but it's putting them in a spot where they can get it anyway. >> This year's sophomores. >> This No, this coming next year sophomores. Thank you. So um all we did was edit the overall number of credits required. So that's what that is. It's it's a it there's there's no blood there's no follow there's it just becomes part of their seamless uh course structure. Um the next few ones here um you know there are certain programs in music, guitar and piano those alternate each other of the year. Sales and promotions coming

102back in the business curriculum. It was a year off to be revamped. Computer science has been moved out of the engineering technologies to Mr. uh Schmidt in the computer science department. Video production has been moved into there. Um our languages alternate AP Spanish lang and HP Spanish lit alternate each year. A major revamp is family consumer science working with Mrs. Miller. Um she wants to sort of take her existing course structure and sort of u convoles it around a couple bigger ideas and add a new option. So um instead of having culinary arts one and baking a separate course she wants to fuse those skills into one course create a second level course and then create an opportunity for creative textiles and design which is more like a home interiors and sort of working with

103textiles. It's sort of something that we used to have a lot of that we've gotten away but she wants to make use of uh of some of the equipment that she has in there. So these came directly from uh Mrs. Miller. she thinks it's a good revamp and I think that those skills um you know if you have a separate baking class and a separate culinary arts class like there's probably a lot of overlap. So putting those together in a progressive format one and two probably makes a lot of sense. Um so that's the first major change um for the for the next for next year. And the the second biggest one is we've totally redone um and Mr. Valent Andrew Valentine teaches um technology education here and if you don't know him he's he's

104a star. He's good and all of our all of our teachers are but he has built something as a program that is starting to draw kids more and more into his area and I've seen his numbers increase each year because of the things in that he's teaching because of how engaging he is. I mean, you know, he's down there, uh, along with our vocational agriculture teachers, Mrs. Cambuzzi and Mr. Leisure. And that that wing of this school, I'll say it, is I'll put up against any other school in this commonwealth. Those are engaged teachers. They're doing the things Mr. Valentine also runs our first robotics program and bots IQ program. He has kids staying, he has 15, 20 kids staying after school three days a week at certain periods of the year. Like, he is

105a a student magnet. He's a great teacher in ter fine person and the kids recognize him. So I just want to give a shout out to him. He's totally retoled his course structure which was about eight years old into the and I said and I went to him um today and I said just tell me real quick like sort of I you and I talked about this but if I had to encapsulate why did we change our core structure and what is different about these programs than what we had in place before? Well, and he to say they're the things that the kids are finding right now in the workspace. This is what they're finding in finding in manufacturing fabrication. They're seeing a lot of automation. They're seeing robotics. They're seeing a lot of engineering

106principles are now being taken over by everything from coding to AI. Like he's saying the workplace has changed and it's no longer the same thing. So, I rethought through my course sequence and rethought about outcomes I want kids to get to more align with the workspaces that they're walking into. And anybody who takes that on and takes it to that level. Um, he's added we've gotten rid of all the old old core structure. Um, obviously a lot of the same concepts sort of transfer over because engineering and design is sort of the same thing. It's just the format in which you're using it. Um but you know, advanced biotech and biotech workh horses we've never run and it was part of a program that maybe if it turned right it could go here. But um

107he's thought very critically about this with the overlap. We have new equipment down there that we've been able to get through supplemental equipment grant. And the great thing about our vocational agriculture programs and engineering technology programs, not everybody buys their stuff and I'm not sharing it. We buy good stuff and all three of them share and we have very powerful equipment down there, commercial grade equipment that you can't find in every school. Um, so those kids get to work on great uh our new CAD machine is is awesome and that was bought through supplemental equipment grant. I mean, know it was $30,000 machine. Um, laser engravers. Uh, just the things that they have down there is awesome. So, um, I have a lot of confidence that he has a course design here that will not

108only teach our kids what they what they need to know now entering the workplace, but they're well thought out in their progression. And he also included a capstone course like our uh, vocational agriculture program has because kids need something their senior year after I've taken six classes. I'm going to do a project. I mean, it's going to be all my own and I'm going to have that mentor teacher help guide me through what that's going to be. and the outcomes. Whenever you start doing those things, talking about choice and what kids can do when they're empowered, um, and have the right atmosphere, have the right focus and a mentor, the things that are going to turn out of there are impressive, just like right now that Mr. Leisure has with his capstone class. Um, they're

109they're doing great things. So, it's been a total retool down there of the engineering technology um course structure. The last thing are our um vocational agriculture classes and those are things that are on a rotational basis every year and we and we flip those out so kids throughout their four years can take everything. Something has to go in and something has to go out and we have so many courses and so many kids on there we can't fit everything in every year. So I work with them. They tell me what they want to offer next year then we work to make that happen. >> Okay. That's all I have. I appreciate your time. We appreciate you. >> Yes. Thank you very much. >> The University of Pittsburgh and the high school program is my interest.

110>> Yep. >> Uh University of Pittsburgh and high school is for our statistics class. The University of Pittsburgh is like a early think of it as an early admin program. So obviously if you take an AP class, you get a qualifying score. You get advanced standing at colleges and universities. I think everybody knows you get a three. Some colleges like some bigger schools now will only take a four and five and give you that credit. >> Um PIT in the high school. PIT comes in and certifies this class. Our AP statistics is a PIT in a high school class. They come in and certify this class that it meets their rigorous standards as the same as taking statistics at the University of Pittsburgh. Uh Mr. Cunningham who teaches it has to go to PIT for

111training twice a year to make sure that he's embedding the principles in there. That is but if you go to Pitt, you get the advanced standing advanced credit for that. They'll give you the three credits for your math class. >> Okay? So it's like an advanced standing early admit. >> We right now we have dual dual enrollment. Well, you think of that that's sort of like a dual enrollment. But if you if you that's only good for pick like if you don't take if you try and go to college that they don't want to go. Um we have we use CCAC as sort of a global thing a global approach to dual enrollment. And here's why. We're not opposed to giving giving advanced standing to other colleges and universities, but at one time we had

112a lot of these agreements and then the colleges and universities they pulled back because they wanted that tuition money and they didn't want to give that as astanding. So we lost them all. I'm working with W&J to get one renewed. >> So I think I will bring back W&J as an option especially since they have that grant that's healthful and we've been sending 10 14 kids a year. So it makes sense. But they told me we'll have to wait until the summer because they just doubled their freshman class. They don't know how many seats they have available. But CC to get back to your point CCAC are you almost universally transferable. Meaning that you know every school will take them. But if you just go let's say have an agreement with California and you take

113this class and then you decide not to go to California, you can't get that advanced standing any place else. So it's we sort of use CCAC as our ones because we know they're universally accepted by those others. But the one with W&J is one I began the conversation with last year and they sort of said let us get this year in because they just doubled their size. They just took 800 kids freshman year and they went up from 400. So um but that one is one I want because I know we're going to continue to send kids there because they have that tuition deal there. So that one makes sense to me. I'll give you high school credit for that and they can give you that up there. I mean those those ones make sense

114to me. >> I can tell you when I worked as an administrator for uh independent school here in Washington County um it came out they came out gang busters. We had dual agreements with probably six, seven different colleges at one point and then he's right, they started to back off. >> Yeah, they 10 years ago it was a big thing. >> Sounds like >> Yeah. >> Really? >> They're you're more likely to have them offer your your students early enrollment. >> Yeah. >> Than adult enrollment. >> And early enrollment isn't for everybody, >> but it's probably still worth the conversation. Then it still gives our students choices. I totally talked about >> and dual enrollment is >> like is that like a shared tuition cost amongst the student and the >> when the family dual

115enrollment first came out the state there was a time I remember when >> Ed Randelle was governor they and I remember Ken you were on the committee when we first started that and you remember the state used to give you a chunk of money to help pay offset the cost of this now they don't that was been gone now it all falls on the kids and the cost of CCAT class was about $800 $ for a three credit class. Four credit class is going to probably be as closer, thousand. >> So, it's fallen on the student. Yeah, it falls on the family and they'll give them a discount sometimes. Not all of them, but >> Well, we wanted the classes in like like it's still cheaper when they're attending college and taking the class. >>

116Yeah, we did the what's called the uh the non-AG County rate. Yeah, >> that's that's what happened to me. I took it whenever I was in college. I took a or college in high school. I took a four credit course and it was 1,200. If I'm not mistaken, it was 1,200. It was had a laugh. >> Yeah, I think that's what it was. It was work credit and um and I had to pay it all outright. Um but I got a um study hall as replacement for half the year and then the other half I got a study hall as well. >> Yeah, it's expensive. And the state used to put some money out there to help cut off and we would get if we got $1,200, we'd cut that. How many kids got it?

117Four of them sign up, we'll cut it off, give it to you equally in that. I want to be as fair as possible. But the state that money dried up a long time ago. So it now all falls on the student. But a lot of them are even doing all usually it's an online opportunity now. >> So we we could offer it. It would just be the cost of the student the families essentially. >> Well, yeah, we do offer it. Yeah. >> We and we could talk to colleges and ask them if they'd consider doing a dual enrollment, but most often the contract comes from the college. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> What school and some of them may, some of them may not. I think the bigger thing to remember is that when you're

118looking at the when the colleges are looking at those dual dual enrollment um contracts or agreements, it's really about students who are going to come to them. So like if you were talking about um WJ is a good one um and we have dual enrollment with them. students who are in the dual enrollment with them, those credits are only transferable to or applied to their program at W&J. >> So, if you had a student who was in a dual enrollment with W&J their senior year and then they decided at the last minute, I'm going to go to wherever it's not W&J, >> right? >> Um, some schools will accept them, not all of them would, right? They are college level classes, right? Okay. So, the chances of them being accepted in some way are are

119great, right? But not necessarily. >> I feel confident about our ability to nail down one with W&J. They were just when when I was talking to them, I went up and met with them in the summer. They were just dealing, you know, they doubled the size of the freshman class. They're like, I don't know how many seats we're going to have. This is a good idea, but we're just not ready. >> Well, and a large reason >> they didn't know where they're going to park. you know, and then if you pay attention to what's going on is WJ historically has been um a college that students from outside of Pennsylvania came to attend. And what has happened in the last couple years is we have students from in Pennsylvania, specifically within Washington County, who are

120now attending. Right. >> Um and that's been a change. >> Yeah. I sent nine to W&J the previous year. I think I sent 14 last year. And it's a heck of a deal. So, they have to pay room and board. They have to live on campus. They have to pay room and board. Um, but their tuition is covered. And I asked them, I said, "What's the lifespan of this grant that you're working off to offset these costs for these Washington County students?" And they told me it was indefinite. >> Like whenever it goes down, it's replenished. Um, one of their considerations is if you are, one of the things they did tell me is if you are going to take if in a dual enrollment, if you are going to take that, you have to

121come to our campus to take that freshman class. That's not a negotiable. That's why they're cautious with seats right now. But I think they'll they'll understand that. And I have no problem with a kid who knows where they're going taking a class at W&J for English and getting high school credit for that their senior year and not making them take one year. That doesn't make sense, >> right? >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Miss Bonus. Um, finally, um, Miss Hopch is here this evening to give another update on the work being done for the 2026 2027 agape school budget. >> Good evening. On a side note, I worked at W&J for 18 years and we did have dual enrollment with McGuffy and it was $1,900 a class. I don't know what

122it is now, but I'm sure it's more. All right. I'm here tonight to talk to you again about our budget. I just wanted to start out with what I'm anticipating. Uh >> oh. people. >> I appreciate the fact that choice of >> some of those numbers get really small. >> There we go. All right. So, I just wanted to start again u with a reminder. Uh I've talked to our auditors this week, so I think we're pretty close on getting our 2425 audit confirmed. What I'm anticipating is an unassigned balance of 3,000 or 3,500,000 right around there. And that is the number to pay attention to because the assigned and the non-spendable we can't really use to offset our budget. So, as Go ahead. As another reminder, we went into 2526 thinking we were going

123to have a $1.7 million deficit. This is where we are as of January 31st. So, our expenses are 54.8% of our budget through January 31st. So, right on track. I mean, uh, January is about 57% through the fiscal year, so we're right on track there. Revenue, we're at 70.9% of what we budgeted. Um, the revenue from this point, all of our real estate tax dollars have been collected that will be collected. Everything that is not collected goes over to delinquent. So, we'll see how that delinquent revenue plays out. Um we're a little bit below this year in collecting delinquent revenue compared to last year, but we exceeded our budget last year with delinquent. So we'll see um how that plays out. So this is what I'm kind of anticipating at the end of June in

1242026. If you would take that what I am anticipating as unassigned after 2025 of 3.5 million and subtracting off that deficit of the 1.7 million, we would go into 2627 with $1.7 million in our savings account. Now we'll talk about um proposals for 2627. These are basically similar numbers to what I showed you last month. However, last month I was looking at expenses of 39 million and I've been able to get that down to 38 million right now. It is still very early in the process. However, I am still going through some of the building budgets um with the principles and Mr. Wilson with technology and things like that, but I'm feeling good about the numbers so far, especially since last month I was able to knock a million dollars off of those expenditures. What

125I will tell you is in these projections, I do have the $6 million bond issue that we have been discussing. And that'll lead me to my next slide. As you know, Mr. McKe sat up here last month and talked about the asks and the wise of what do we what are we going to do with this bond issue? Um, I'm here today just to break that down. again for you. The HVA system we're anticipating to run about $3 million. These are early estimates of these costs. He had included some inflation cost because even if we did the bond now, it's going to take time to get everything secured. So, we would not even be starting some of these projects until the summer of six. Asphalt, that's high school, middle school, Joe Walker, and tennis courts.

126The fire alarm replacement at Claysville. This is something that we have to do. We have to get that upgraded. I mean, it's a state requirement. The camera system is included in this bond issue. High school, middle school, library renovation, a water fountain replacement districtwide, and the track stadium resurfacing. Now, Mr. Ricky and I talk quite often about the asks and the wants. And of course, the longer we kick the can down the road on facility maintenance and improvements, the more it's going to cost the district. There are things in here that are not highest priority like the track. Those are things that we could probably put band-aids on to get through for the next couple of years. But if we're going to do a bond issue, why not do it now where this would be

127the least expensive year to do all of these projects? But I do want you to know there's flexibility in what we do and how much we take out. Um, however, there are things that are higher priority obviously the HVA systems and the assets. It's a big priority right now on the revenue side. Um, we still have not received much information from the tax office on our updated assessed property values that will be coming and I did get some updates from the states. However, we have not yet received our aotment for homestead farmstead tax relief. So, I'm using again three millig rates in my projections. 14.6 62 is where we are right now currently. I've estimated or put in a 15 mil rate and then the max that we can go to is 15.29. Most of

128these other items that you see under the local tax, this is all local um have not changed much from last presentation. What has changed a little bit is on the state revenue side. We did get early projections from the state on the top three items. So, our basic education subsidy went up slightly from last month. The vocational education went up and as did our special education subsidy. These are based on a formula that the state uses based on our average daily membership and so forth. Um, the other items under listed under state revenue I do not have confirmation on yet other than the ready tolearn grant which is around $380,000. But our total state revenue then bumped up a little bit this month as compared to what I reported last month. Federal revenue was still

129kind of up in the air with title two and title four. So right now I'm being conservative and putting our title one funding in there. So, we may have a little wiggle room here once the federal government decides what they're doing with the federal education money for next year. So, looking at total revenue, so if you add all those pots together, the local, the state, and the federal at a 14.62 milit rate, you're looking at now just a little over 35 million, which is really what we kind of were for 20 256, our current year. If we go up to 15 mills, you're looking at 35.6 million. And then if we take it up to the maximum that the state allows us, you're looking at just under 36 million. Again, we'll still have some movement

130in these numbers, especially as the state solidifies all of their funding and I get final numbers from the federal government. Using these numbers, however, this is what the budget impact, what it looks like with those expenses being at 38 million and the different revenue buckets. So, at their current 14.62 millage rate, we'd be looking at just under a $3 million deficit. If we're at the 15 millig rate, we're looking at a $2.3 million deficit. And then if you go up to the max at 15.29, 29, we're looking at a $2 million deficit. And as you remember, I'm anticipating after June of this year 1.7 million in our savings account. So using going up to max with taxes and looking at a $2 million deficit, we would need still $324,000 to balance that budget somewhere. Now

131again, it's early. There's going to be movement in here. It's going to be closer. Um I don't anticipate having a $2 million deficit because there's some things that I still need to go through line by line and make some updates, but it looks a little better this month than it did last month. That's for sure. All right. Any questions? Oh, next up. So, I'm still going to go through building budgets with uh the principles and the administrators. I'm going to do line by line reviews and I do look at historical data to see how that has been played out over the past three two three four years. Um because obviously the historical data helps to guide our budget moving forward too. Um state updates I'm waiting on state updates for about the property tax relief

132aotments. I did find out today from ASICH, that's our healthcare consortium, that they have solidified the increase for next year and they were telling us 8 and a half to 9 and a half% to budget for. I budgeted 9 and a half% in here. The letter today said they're only going up 8.3%. So, a little bit better than what we had anticipated. So, that'll bring our expenses down a little bit too on that side. Um, still monitoring changes from the state, from the federal government. And then the budget committee meets monthly. So I'll have this even cleaner then which is March 3rd at 4:00. Any questions? Thank you. >> Yeah, you're very welcome. >> Thank you. And also thank you Miss Madam President. That's all I have. >> Okay. Um I I have a quick

133question more more for I think the solicitor really. Um, when it comes to talking about this budget, we're not voting on this budget this evening. Um, but we do have our budget committee on the agenda. At what point would you advise we have conversations about the budget and what we would want to do with it moving forward? This like to allow time for us to talk more than just one meeting when it's time to vote on it. If that makes sense. We do typically have a working session just with the board. There's no deliberation at working sessions, but it's an opportunity for me to really go line by line with you, give you options, show you where we could save money. Um, and that's just a board working session. >> Right. So, when could the

134board discuss it publicly prior to the night that we're going to vote on it? >> What are you estimating? I mean, but I'm hoping to Charlene just >> Yeah. >> Well, probably April we'll vote on the preliminary budget and that's the one that I have to upload to the states. It's the preliminary. The final budget we won't actually vote on. We do it in June as late as June. So if we I think this is that that helps for the preliminary and in June for the official we'll >> be discussing publicly in at that meeting too. >> Yeah. So if the board wanted to discuss it prior to publicly, is now the time to do that within this committee within this committee meeting or would it be during >> Yeah, I mean you can ask

135questions at any time and the you can come to the budget committee meeting at any time too. >> Right. >> It's still early. So there's a lot that I still need to clean up. But for the budget committee meeting, we would still not want to have quorum present because then we would be >> deliberate >> and if we're asking questions and and you're getting us answers, you know, and we're talking >> so just a caution, >> right? >> Now the time like at a committee meeting when the budget is presented, do we deliver it now? Because >> I know the public has a lot of questions. I have some ideas about cost savings. I know other board members have questions about cost savings and their ideas and I want to make sure that we have

136time to deliberate all of that before the meeting. And the working sessions are great and they're helpful, but we can't deliberate. So, we can't have those creative thoughts and ideas conversing back and forth and deciding what we want to do moving forward. So, that that's more my question like would we deliberate tonight? Can we deliberate tonight? It's not on the agenda. >> I don't think we're deliberating in the working session. If we're asking question, should she asked does anybody have questions for when we can deliberate, not just ask questions like what are your ideas for cost saving? What are your ideas for? These are my ideas. That's what that's what I'm trying to get out. When can we have that conversation? Would it be when we're coming up on the budget committee and that's not

137voted on? So, we don't really have a >> right. I would suggest period you're going to have committee meeting March 3rd. Um I mean Charlene, is this at something that there would be able to be productive discussion at a public meeting in March? Um or or are you thinking more towards the April at the preliminary budget? Because again, it's just preliminary, right? >> And it's on the agenda and we're we're going over everything. I think if the board is leaning towards we need to give you x number of ideas, I would prefer to have that in March so that I have time to build that in to any type of budget changes so that we can have a preliminary budget in April. So just just so that I'm clear and so the public is clear

138too because they I mean I'm sure we're all getting hit with questions about different things and I want to make sure they have enough time to talk. We have enough time to talk. If we're sending you ideas for instance and you want them by March um because I know this is a lot of work for you. Are you going to take those ideas and put them into the budget and, you know, come back to the board and say, you know, this is what it would look like with this change. This is what, you know what I mean? >> Not that I think you're going to have a million different things, but okay. Because I just want to get a good understanding of how we can move forward and be productive. >> Oh, yeah. >> Just

139because I I love the working sessions, but not being able to to deliberate is frustrating because I want to have the conversation and we can't. And so I struggle with that. Um, so, okay. So, we can work to have ideas for you in mind. >> No, please. You can email me. >> Okay. Yeah. Give me ideas and I can run out the scenarios. >> Okay. Okay, I'm misunderstanding that because I thought what you were asking is if we could have on the agenda for the March meeting a time to deliberate the current budget and go over whatever ideas that she would then have after that to bring back the how that would look in April. Is that not what you're asking? >> No, I'm I am asking for when we can deliberate about it. And

140what Charlene is, if I'm not misunderstanding, if we present our ideas to her by March, she can figure that in and then when we come back in April to have that preliminary budget, we could deliberate then with our different ideas. Does that make sense to It makes sense to me to give her. >> Well, I thought the whole point of deliberating, but I what I thought you were asking about deliberating was for the board to have an opportunity to deliberate whatever ideas they board members have. >> Yes. So, we would give Charlene our ideas by March. She would figure them into the budget for the for the April. >> So, in the March meeting, we will have on the agenda time to deliberate the budget. No, we would we would present our ideas to Charlene

141by March. She would then >> figure them in, whatever those ideas are, whatever money saving ideas we have into that preliminary budget for April. And in April, when we have that preliminary budget, we would then deliberate that. Am I not understanding that correctly? I think Go ahead. I'm sorry. I think if Sorry. Thanks, Laura. If you have specific ideas and you want to see how that plays out in our current budget, email me them now and in March I can present those scenarios of this is what happens if we do this. This is how the budget will fit what you did. >> This is what I thought you were saying and I thought that was different than what >> Well, she said to have them in by March. So, I'm by the March meeting and

142she wouldn't have it all figured out. Well, and where I was getting confused is I thought you two were talking about very different things because I thought you were asking specifically about time for the board to deliberate as a whole with public. And what she's saying is get them to me individually and I'll incorporate them into >> send them to me now. >> Okay. >> And then for the next board meeting, I will have budgets based on different scenarios >> and then you'll have time to deliberate and then preliminary budget we can vote on in April. Okay. >> So, we have time. I have I need it in by the end of April. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that clarification because I I really I know, like I said, I know the public has

143a lot of concerns and questions, rightfully so, and I know a lot of us do as well. So, thank you for that for the clarification. Okay. Um I that was the only question that I had. So, at this time, we will um adjourn our committee meeting. We will come back at um Don't for All right. At this time, we will begin our regular school board meeting this evening. Um, Mrs. Fyber, could you do a roll call, please? >> F >> here. >> Mike >> here. here. >> Thank you. At this time, we will ask Pastor Brandon from West Alexander to come and pray for us. >> All right. Would you pray with me? Father God, we we come to you this evening. just grateful uh for this school district. Thank you for all that our

144students receive here, for the development and the growth that they experience during the years where they're at the school. But I also thank you for this school board and the administration and all of the work that they put in, the time and commitment, the dedication uh to do what's not an easy job. I just thank you for that. God, as uh the regular meeting begins, I ask that your grace uh would be sufficient for us, that you would give guidance to every decision that is made. Um that you would help uh everyone here to know what is best for our students to make decisions um based on what will be appropriate for our families, not what their personal preference is, but what is best for our kids in our community. Father, I ask for a

145spirit of unity and cooperation to be here tonight. uh that differences could be reconciled and that everyone would work together uh without ego and without bias. Lord, I ask that you would allow every decision that is made to help our kids that we are entrusted in leading and developing and that we can impact the next generation in a positive way. Uh we thank you for hearing our prayers and answering them in the precious name of our savior Jesus we pray. Amen. >> Amen. Thank you. All right. At this time, we'll say the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Um, we will announce that the executive session be

146held on Thursday, February 12th at 2026. Um, at this 6:00 p p.m. Can I do Can we motion to make that to 6:12 because I know we were running a little bit late or did the 12 minutes don't matter? >> I just clarify. >> You can just clarify for the record. Yeah, that >> but we do have to state for what purposes and that. Right. So, it was for personnel and um potential litigation. Thank you. >> All right. At this time, we will have public comment on agenda items. >> Madam President, Vicky Jordan, Buffalo Township. >> Thank you. Vicky Jordan, Buffalo Township. I would like to ask where was the attachment for the suggested changes to the middle school high school handbook? Mr. Mon has clearly said he had on option one and option two.

147Why could they have not have been provided for public review? Madam solicitor, I stand before this board often asking for all information that should be shared with the public to be attached, but month after month, it does not happen. Although it may be inappropriate for me to ask you, I'm requesting that you advise the board based on right to know law what items should be attached and are required to be public information. I'm also requesting that the board give clear directions to Dr. Overber on what myths be attached before this district is subject to a lawsuit caused by the failures of those attachments not being made public. Clearly requesting it from him isn't get getting me anywhere. Um and I'm losing complete confidence. Parents should have the ability to share concerns about information contained in

148all districts handbooks. That information applies to our students and we are required to follow those guidelines. So having input would be advisable to maintain a working relationship between a community and administrators. A simple attachment with option one and another for option two was all that was necessary to fulfill that tonight. I'd also like to know if someone could share when a calming room was approved by the board. I find it highly inappropriate to be soliciting donations for a project that has not been approved. Although the agenda was changed to library renovations, it's clear an intention was set forth by Mr. McKe. We are not a mental health facility and I believe accepting this donation obligates the board to move forward with a calming room before any meaningful discussion has been held including details of said

149room. I think several clear plans need to be presented to the board and the public for discussion before any donations are accepted. All staff and community members and students should be able to submit how they see that space best utilized for all students needs. I believe there is a perfect I believe this is a perfect example of putting the cart before the horse and what I consider an attempt to hide tie the hands of the board and force them to move forward with a $500,000 renovation for a calming room that this district cannot afford. We should be looking at what these buildings need to function properly and be maintained instead of burying us in more debt for wants instead of needs. Almost every month we hear about how far in debt we already are. And

150I do appreciate it, Mrs. Um, but I think adding $6.3 million to the debt for taxpayers in the district already in a financial crisis needs looked over with a fine tooth comb and approved line by line before any additional bonds are approved. It's not monopoly money and every dollar spent moving forward. Should it be about the needs and not the wants on a wish list? I'm not going to get through this other section, so I'm going to save it for non-aggenda. Um, but to be continued. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Point of order, just so that we're clear. Um, when is it that we're going to be asked to consider the bond? It's not on tonight's agenda. >> So technically >> budgetary we talked about with the budget >> but it's not

151on the agenda. It's a non-aggenda item. So calming room is part of the is one of the suggested is one of the suggested um issues to be taken care of with the bond which is not on the agenda. And and I respect what you're saying Mrs. Jordan. I just I think we need to be clear. It was not an agenda item. It should be discussed. >> Yes, I saw it in budget which >> we the committee like could we have the budget committee on there is >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, I'm I'm a little Are you saying that Miss Jordan should have spoke about that because it wasn't on >> it could be spoken at at the next at the time for non-aggenda items but they were >> the cal the calming room is part

152>> but the calming but what Mrs. Jackson, you can correct me if I'm wrong. There's the calming room >> and the library renovation is not something you're voting on. >> This is true. >> I was looking at it as a budgetary aspect. She was talking about the budget and those are things that are in the process. >> So, I thought that was okay. And I was looking at it more from the donation perspective that >> yes the donate it was mainly from the donation that she mentioned that the agenda once said the calming room but then it was changed to this but >> I understand that but I I just >> so she was speaking on the donation which is on the agenda >> but she specifically talked about the calming room and so >>

153she talked about how the agenda was changed. I just want to be sure. We need to be more aware of what >> I was aware of it though. It's on the agenda. >> Okay. I I was looking at a budgetary but the >> both the donation and the budgetary. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Madam President, next speakers Ashley Lawson, East Bentley Township. >> Thank you. Thank you, chief. All right. So, um my comment is on the budget committee report and I have another one for the budget expenditure report. So, that could be slid up. Um when the new board and budget committee meet, I hope you examine the spending trends in the past and learn from them. Figure out what is essentially important and what can wait. The district is technically bankrupt and we

154as taxpayer payers haven't been provided an alternative to relieving the debt besides increasing taxes which is only a small percent of debt relief. Um I can go into that percent in a little bit. The current state of the US debt and bond maturing is very similar to our you to our school's debt issue. a uh a bond going from 0% interest to 4% interest which is the US bond issue coming forward in 2026 interest during repayment. Um so when a bond matures I'm just giving you a background when a bond matures the principal borrowed principal amount borrowed is due and usually the rate changes when it's due. Um so it might be a lower rate during um the repayment and then when it matures the rate goes higher. That's what the United States is looking

155at. Um and then from 2025 going back to McGuffy to 2032 we have three bonds maturing in the amount of 12,195,000. It took the district I'm sorry I'm so nervous right now. It took the district eight years to pay down 10 million during a time when rates were at an all-time low. We have one outstanding bond doing due August of 2025. That was not presented in the last meeting. Um for the 2026 2027 debt total, there needs to be more examination of pra crafting debt relief because increasing taxes is not the only way. And then I encourage your administration to take the time to review and consider another bond. So before getting into another bond, just review all of that that I just said. And then for the expenditure report, the borrowing history McGuffy has

156spells out we borrow one bond in a higher amount in the beginning of the year, then borrow again in the same year for a lesser amount under a million. I urge you to go over the future $6.5 million expenditures with concern and add the current past due loan as of 2025 um into the equation, which is 4,400,000. The mature 2017 bond and total operating expenditures from last meeting were not transparent enough to tie it all together for the public since the 2025 mature date. They were presented separately, which is which does not give the public a total deficit. I think it's misleading. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Madam President. Christy Christy Florian, East Benley Township. >> Good evening everyone. Christy Florian, East Finley Township. Um, I agree with Vicki. The attachments would have been

157nice for us to view during the presentation for the public. Um, anyways, we are also not a therapeutic facility. So, I was wondering also uh why was the wording changed on the agenda in the first place pertaining to the um calming room? Um now, uh pertaining to what Zony was expressing on Mr. Bonis's presentation, it is very important that the students that show interest in cosmetology actually get in the first year. Um, I'm going to explain my example on what happened to me to kind of give you an idea of what could happen to some of these students that do not get in and are chosen for the first year. Um, so in my experience, I did not get into the program the first year. I had to take my secondary class choice. Um, I'm

158curious about how the students are chosen. Um, that has always been a mystery to me considering that the choice completely changed my course of direction. I had to make up the 450 hours outside of Western area after I graduated. I had to pay out of pocket for travel and materials. That alone can be a discouragement to some of the students considering their choice on profession and that um mine was delayed and that was because I was not chosen initially. In my experience, my secondary schooling was not sought out until after I went to college for a year and decided to uh p pursue my cosmetology hours at Pittsburgh Beauty Academy. Unfortunately, the school went bankrupt three weeks before I could graduate with all of my hours. At that point, I pretty much gave up after

159I was told they lost my transcript. So, um, that is definitely something I think that you all should consider and think about. Just kind of keep my experience in your mind and how important it is for these students to get in when they want to get in. If they if they show the interest, they obviously have a heart to do that kind of job, and that may be their dream job, as it was for mine. But unfortunately, I am now a stay-at-home mom. I did not finish my schooling and um kind of wish I had but I was discouraged. I was discouraged several times not being chosen first off and having to choose culinary arts which obviously I love to cook and eat. Um, but that was the first strike. And then the second strike

160I would say is, you know, pretty much I didn't go straight out of high school to cosmetology. That was kind of a deterrent for me, but then I finally decided to go back and then my third strike was they shut the school down because they went bankrupt and lost my transcripts. So I don't even know 20ome years later if that's even a possibility for me to try to find my transcript. It's been so long that knowledge that I learned I feel has been wasted and it's very unfortunate. Um, also just wanted to say that the it seems like the difference between Western area and Penn commercial is that the students are more wanting the program that is ran by Tony and Guy due to the name brand and you know how well known they are

161for being hairdressers. I would say that's why the interest is higher for that program. Not that the students can't succeed from Western area, which many do, and I pray that my daughter who was in that program does. Um, so, but I also wanted to point out that the water fountains not working should be a priority. I heard there's like several water fountains on one floor that don't even work. So, yeah, I would definitely say water fountains are a priority. So, thank you. Thank you, >> Madam President. That concludes public comment. >> Thank you. All right. Our monthly action items. We're going to start this evening with um a resolution. Um we're going to vote to approve the resolution to adopt principles for governance and leadership to lead responsibly, act ethically, plan thoughtfully, evaluate continuously, communicate,

162communicate clearly, advocate earnestly, and govern effectively. All board members and superintendent are asked to commit to these principles and sign their approval on the attached resolution. Before we take a vote, I would like for us to um read them. >> Are we going to have a motion or do we do anything? Do we have a motion? >> So, we would have the first and the second and then in discussion we would read them. >> You can do it that way or you Yeah, you could do it way or you could read it now. But >> I'm fine with either way. >> Have a motion. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Thank you. I've already read them. All right. All right. Um, Mrs. Robick, I know you mentioned reading them. Do you How would you like to

163go about that? >> Just each one of us can just take a and read >> take a bullet point and just read. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Would you like to start? >> Sure. >> Lead responsibly. Prepare for, attend, and actively participate in board meetings. Work together with civility and cooperation, respecting that individuals hold differing opinions and ideas. Participate in professional development, training, and board retreats. Collaborate with the superintendent, acknowledging their role as the 10th member of the board, and commissioned officer of the Commonwealth. >> I'll be happy to go next. Act ethically. Never use the position for improper benefit to self or others. Avoid actual or perceived conflicts of interest. Recognize the school directors do not possess any authority outside of the collective board. Except that when a board has made a decision, it

164is time to move forward collectively and constructively. >> Oh, thank you. Plan thoughtfully. Imple implement a collaborative strategic planning process. Set annual goals that are aligned with the comprehensive plan recognizing the need to adapt as situations change. Develop a comprehensive financial plan and master facilities plan that anticipate short and long-term needs. Allocate resources to effectively impact student success. I can do the next one. Evaluate continuously. Make data informed decisions. Evaluate the superintendent annually. Conduct a board self assessment on a reoccurring basis. Focus on student growth and achievement. Review effectiveness of all comprehensive and strategic plans. Communicate clearly. Promote open, honest, and respectful dialogue among the board, staff, and community. Acknowledge and listen to varied input from all stakeholders. Promote transparency while protecting necessary confidential matters. Set expectations and guidelines for individual board member communication. Advocate

165earnestly. Promote public education as a keystone of our commonwealth. Engage the community by seeking input, building support networks, and generating action. Champion public education by engaging local, state, and federal officials. Govern effectively. Establish and adhere to rules and procedures for board operations. Develop, adopt, revise, and review policy routinely. Align board decisions to policy in ensuring compliance with the PA school code and other local, state, and federal laws. Remain focused on the role of governance effectively de delegating management task to the administration. Thank you all. I appreciate that. Um I'm really hoping we can work towards upholding those together as a group. >> Okay. Um, we can discuss or have questions now. Okay. I um >> I think that you know even with our policies we look at them and then we get a chance to

166have input and I don't think we should vote on this tonight. First of all, just to remind you not that long ago I stood up there and read our oath of office. I would have no objection to us reading that oath of office every time we walk into this room. But some of the verbiage here kind of limits my constitutional first amendment rights and also the community's input where it said there the thing about um when it when the topic is done or we've discussed it and voted on it, we can't discuss it. If you were thinking that, let's say I've got community members saying, "I want the sidewalk repaired." And I'm just using any example, but um and we vote on it and it doesn't go and the community is still calling me. I

167could literally could bring that up every month. We could vote on it and vote no every month. But you're saying there, we're going to be done and we're moving forward. Now, you've limited me and you've limited the community. I just think there's I'm not even going to tell you I'm not going to sign this. >> I understand. >> I I have taken an oath. That oath is important to me. It says that I will follow the constitution that I will uphold everything in the district and I don't think that this is necessary. This is remind what is the point of this and we have never even seen it before. I mean till this right now. So it's actually in our policy. >> That's what I mean. It's the ideas. >> So the ideas are in

168our policy which if you're are you done? >> Yeah. That's I I think it's redundant on a lot of ways. Number one um as you stated in policy um 011 board governance standards and code of conduct most of these items are in there. Why do we need them stepped out in a different another document? And some of them that are in here are also in different policies. For example, when it talks about not using your position for improper benefit to sell for others, avoid actual or perceived conflict of interest. That's our conflict policy. >> You know, conflict of interest policy. It's redundant. Well, furthermore, these came, if I'm not mistaken, directly from PSBA's pledge to schoolboard effectiveness, and they are the target points that they list. We, as a board, are members of TSBA. >>

169This is what they offer. This is part of their platform. Why do we need to make it a separate thing? It's part of the training, too. >> We're already Pennsylvania. We are as members of this board, members of PSBA, right? So why do we need another piece of paper? And quite frankly, our oath of office trumps all of that anyway. Our oath of office is to I sw do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the United States and Constitution of the Commonwealth and that I will discharge the duties of my office and with fidelity. The duties of my office mean also adhering to the policies that we have. These are in our policies. We sign our oath of office. Why do we need another piece of paper

170that duplicates a lot of this information from PSBA and in our policy and with a signature when we've already signed the oath of office that says we are going to do those things. >> I don't understand that. It's like having a resolution for the point of having a resol resolution. >> Okay. Well, wait. And correct me if I'm wrong. I remember talking in one of our sessions kind of about we have a new board setting expectations on how we're going to treat each other, how, you know, reminding each other of how we are supposed to govern and lead in an attempt to work together. Yeah. And it shows right here that we're picking apart things that are trying to be brought forth to bring us together and bring unity. Um just so that we can

171attempt to hold each other accountable and set expectations for each other and just remind us and remind the public because they may not look at all of the policies and to be honest I don't know all of the policies. It it just in more general terms gives us and them an idea of how we are to treat our position, how we are to govern and lead this school district, and how we are to treat each other. It's just a reminder. It It wasn't meant to be picked apart or to, you know, it was more general in my opinion. >> Well, and I and I understand that, but at the same time, it is redundant because these are in our policy. We could read policy 011. >> Yeah. >> Uh to the public. The public has

172it available. We have it available. Why do we need a separate resolution for that? So I I would like to say I agree with you on the constitutional part about not bringing things up that were done in the past. I questioned that, too. That's the only one that I questioned. But the policy that we do have and this was my mindset with this the idea of it because I thought the same a lot of this is already in our policies but when was that policy last revised with this board like we all haven't approved that policy so in my mindset I thought if we haven't all seen that policy and it hasn't been revised this was a next best thing we already have a lot on our policy committee so rather than bring that forth

173to revive ies that this was an option to try to collaborate together. It really wasn't. >> So then are you suggesting that if you're a board member who's new to this board and you haven't suggesting somebody has not read that policy? >> No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. Let me finish. >> Yes. >> Someone hasn't reviewed it or perhaps doesn't understand it. Whatever it is, they weren't part of the review process when that policy was written, then they're not they don't have to follow that policy. No, because it says we have to follow the policies. So why would we need a separate document based on that >> because as I said if they have not seen that policy and that policy has not been revised they may not have known that these were

174even in there. >> Well then we could direct them to that policy. We could, but this again was just a collaborative effort. >> Collaborative remind every by leadership >> and many a lot of school districts, I'm not going to say all, but a lot of school districts will recommmit to the PSDA principles each year and sign off on them and we'll have them posted in the room. Um, >> well then let's let's um again, I don't think we need to. We are members of PSBA. The pledge is from them. >> I'd like to add something here. In our training, >> in the training that we're required, that entire list is in there repeatedly. >> Yeah. >> And we all had the training. >> So if we need to discuss it or we need to go

175through it, okay, we have to have the training sessions for that. >> Okay. But I really don't when we talked about it in a session we talked about us collaboratively privately in executive session agreeing to be respectful and and those things are important >> but I don't care who signs this that doesn't make them any more respectful as we've seen. >> No I agree but what I'll just say that when we discussed it it for me it was not meant for just there. I'll just throw that out there. It was all the time. We should work to strive towards this. >> Does this um I was just wondering does this supersede what our policy is now? >> No, it can't. It can't. >> Would this be put into our policy at all? >> It's already

176a resolution is not a policy. >> This was an effort to remind us all that this is what this is what we've already agreed to. We've all strayed away from it at one point of time or another. It it it was leadership mine and Mrs. Roarick's attempt to try to remind us all, ourselves included, >> that this is what we need to abide by to the best of our ability with the exception of that one bullet point. I truly believe um I agree with you. I think there'd be a difference in saying giving everybody a copy of PSBA and saying, you know, we suggest you review this, you know, as opposed to putting forth a resolution that you want us to sign for what purpose? What's the signature going to mean that you read it?

177I mean, it was >> and what if you don't sign >> then you don't sign. >> So then what's what's the point? >> It shows the public you didn't sign. It shows us you didn't sign it. decide my oath of office. It says I'm going to follow the policies >> and then I'm going to follow the law >> and the constitution. Okay. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So then then don't sign it. I mean it truly was just an attempt to remind us all what we what we're here to do, how we're supposed to do it. >> I'm going to make a motion that we table it. >> I second. >> So when it my question for that discussion after a motion cannot ask the question. Okay. the table. >> Okay. >> Sorry, I was

178reading as I was. All right. All those in favor of tableabling the resolution for 2526 number 04. >> I >> Can we do a roll call, please? >> Mr. Verz, >> yes. >> Mr. Ro, >> no. >> Mr. Jackson, >> yes. >> Mr. No. >> Mr. Barnett, >> no. >> Miss Jingle, >> yes. >> Mr. Thomas, >> no. >> Fry. >> No. >> So, >> motion fails. >> Okay. Um, I'd like to make a comment. >> Okay. >> I think the problem here is we keep saying transparency, transparency. If we had discussed this and had seen it beforehand and said we're going to be asked to sign this, that would have been a little more transparent than having >> Did you not have access to the agenda on Friday? >> Friday and it's popped in

179front of me today. >> No, I I on there on Friday. >> Again, transparency means that we would have all had an opportunity to look at it and before it became attached to the board where it was in the public eye. >> I see what you're saying. I apologize. I was mis I was misunderstanding what you were saying. >> I do feel like we did discuss this in a session at some point. I can't remember who all was present. >> I don't recall. >> It was one of the work sessions that was cancelled. >> It talked about being the >> either the PSBA or we created our own and we chose to go with the PSBA. >> I mean, correct me if I'm wrong because nobody else is familiar with it. >> No, I remember

180I remember us doing it before. But it was more an intent to show the public that we're going to sign this and we're going to stand together and move forward. Whether we agree or we disagree, we're going to stand together and move forward. >> But there is so much division and now we're we're we're showing the public that there's so much division. And that's the intent behind this. >> I don't think there's division as far as I Excuse me. I don't think it's division as far as my duties as a board member. I signed the oath of office. The o oath of office clearly outlines that I am swearing an oath to support, obey and defend the constitution of the United States Constitution of Commonwealth and I will discharge the duties of my office for

181fidelity. Discharging the duties of my office for fidelity includes all of the policies. These are all in policy 011. We are members of PSBA. These are directly taken from PSBA. So as members of PSBA, we already have them as guidelines. So I've already signed off on the oath of office saying that I'm committed to following what were the documentation that the documents were supposed to be following. So, what would my signature on yet another piece of paper show? >> I you're failing to see my point. And so, we can just agree to disagree at this point. And I say we probably just vote on it and >> either you sign it or you don't. And >> so, why are we voting on it if we have to sign it like elsewhere? If we vote on

182it, wouldn't that just be our signature as a vote? >> No. >> Or I I don't understand why we're voting on this. >> Kind of a compact. It's more just kind of saying we're going to we're going to hold each other to these principles. >> So why can't we just sign this just without needing a vote? >> Well, there's a motion on the table. >> I I'm just asking I'm asking why this is coming. >> I don't know why we need to sign it. It's redundant. >> I'm saying even even if I want to sign it or if I don't, it doesn't matter. Why are we voting on this if we just are signing it? I don't understand. >> Because it's presented as a >> I get that. But what does that change? Nothing. it.

183What does it change with? How like I just don't understand what it changed. That's all. >> Does it help? Does the word resolution bother you? Is that what the issue is? >> No. >> If we call it a compact or >> some other vote on it, >> exactly. I mean, we could agree as a board to a certain standard of >> We could have signed this in executive session last time. Like, I don't understand >> why it needs to come to a vote. >> Like, I don't I don't understand that. When you bring a resolution to the board and you're asking for a vote and then signatures to that resolution, what are you saying? For example, prepare for attend and actively participate in board meetings, right? So, we passed this as a resolution, the board

184approved resolution and board members sign it, right? So, who's going to determine who's prepared for attending and actively participating in board meetings? the policy that states that to attend unless you miss the brief concept. >> Prepare for who's going to determine how who's to prepare for. >> Zonia, I I really think you're taking it away out of context. I do understand your concern. It was not meant to be anything like that and I respect your concerns. I really do. And it wasn't something that I thought of in that context. For me, it was just simply we have a community who has lost faith in these board members. Every single one of us. You all keep saying that, but >> because I've heard it. >> Oh, I'm hearing >> I'm not hearing that from any of

185the people that have >> I'm hearing it from several some of our own some of our own people in our district are going to other board members because they don't trust their board members in their district. That's what's happening. So, this is simply just an attempt to show the public we're going to put it all aside and we're going to work together like we did three hour in the three-hour executive session where we just read. exactly why this community doesn't trust us because everybody's poking fingers and pointing fingers and it's it's >> it doesn't have to be like that though. >> That's all that's all this was. Sign it or don't sign it. I'm ready to take a vote. >> Let's say I say yes to this. Like say yes to it. Do I have

186to sign it afterwards? >> I don't think anybody has to sign it. It would truly was just an attempt to It's like it's an attempt. It's not binding. >> No, but you're doing it for to show to the public, right? So, if I'm saying that I agree with it on a moral level and a fact that is a redundant of policies we already have in place. And you're saying, well, then you're showing the public you don't want to participate. You don't want to agree to get along. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying >> you said >> I said you didn't have to sign it and it just shows the public you didn't want to sign it. >> Exactly. That's it. >> And then that and what you're saying is then that it

187makes it look you're trying to slander those of us who are saying that we have a problem with a moral dilemma with the wording. >> So what if we adopt it without having the sign? >> Then why is it on the agenda? It's still >> again, it was just a public attempt to try to collaborate and and work together and show the public that that's what we want to do. >> That's all that this was. >> Well, as far as as far as the public and my the people in my area, I can tell them I can they can rest assured I will always follow my oath of office and as part of that, I will always follow the district's policies. >> Okay? >> I will adhere to those. And as a member of PSBA,

188we have the guidelines of these very things. I don't see a need to do anything more than that in an effort to I don't even know what to what >> can Can I make a motion >> to Can I Can I make a motion? >> Now we have our first and our second table. >> Can I make a motion? >> So it depends on what the motion Can I change to reward this that I will follow my oath of office and just cancel everything off of it? >> You can do a motion to amend. >> Yes. To amend. Can I make a motion to amend? >> What it is you amend the motion or amend the resolution? >> No, it's okay. I just wanted to clarify as well to amend >> the resolution after your

189your motion. Can I amend this document that we are voting on to just say I will follow my oath of office? Plain and simple. Just asking if that's a possibility. >> If you want to amend the voted for the resolution. >> Yes. >> I would just say again, why do we need a resolution for that? >> But you need a person. >> All I can say is all we've done is prove to the public that we cannot get along. We cannot sign a simple resolution that is already stated somewhere that we all agree to. >> Right. >> And this is ridiculous. I'm sorry. >> I agree with you 100% and it's very embarrassing. >> Very embarrassing. >> I have a moral dilemma with understand. >> There second. No, >> I'll second. >> Roll call, please.

190>> Is to amend. amendation to just say you'll uphold your oath of office. >> Yes. >> Now, are you asking that? >> I'm just clarifying because this has been a little bit confusing because we have people thinking and believing different things. You're asking that for all of us, not just for you personally. Okay. Making sure I was clear on that. Thank you. >> So, we have a motion in a second. I'm sorry. Roll call, please. >> Could we explain what the yes and no is here? >> Yes. I'm sorry. The yes would be to approve the motion to amend the resolution to just say you're going to uphold your oath of office and no would be to scratch that idea, keep it as it is. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Mr. Groves, >>

191no. >> Mr. Hoover, >> no. >> Miss Jackson, >> yes. >> Mr. Laser, >> no. >> Mr. Barnett. >> As an intent to compromise, I'd say yes. Miss Shing, >> yes. >> Mr. Thomas, >> no. >> Mr. Ball, >> yes. >> Mr. >> I agree with Mrs. Robartnick as an attempt to meet in the middle. Motion passes. I just want to say quickly, I appreciate the dialogue we had here. Whether we agreed or disagreed, I appreciate the points brought up. They were not points that I had thought of all of them. I of course thought of the one. So, thank you. I know it didn't go smoothly and I I didn't >> I appreciate the time to have the opportunity to discuss it. I do think Mrs. Changing has a valid point. Yeah, it is

192maybe in the future if we're going to look at a resolution brought to the board that they be given the resolution publicly and then given 30 days just like we do for our policies to review. I don't think anything good ever comes out of making a decision right on the spot. >> I appreciate >> um but I also want to say please understand I'm not saying I'm not committed. I'm saying that I think the vehicle was short but I appreciate the conversation. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right, >> Madam President. >> Yes, sir. >> Can I speak to the letter issue? >> I believe we can. Can we or can we move on? >> Move on. >> We've been going out of order anyway. >> I'll take that back. Just continue to meet. >>

193We do have just to remind you, we do have the board comments section on our agenda. if you could hold it for then because I do want to hear what you what your >> Now, are we voting on the this amendment? >> That's we did. We already >> All right. Um approval of January 15, 2026 new meeting minutes. All those in favor? >> So move. >> Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thank you. First and second. All those in favor? >> I >> Wait, what are we talking about here? >> January. Moving on the agenda. So, we're on um D2, approval of January 15 minutes. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Are you a yay or a nay? >> Yeah. >> Thank you. All right. Um approval of February 3rd, 2026 meeting minutes. >> So

194move. >> Second. >> Thank you. All those in favor? >> I I Any opposed? >> Motion carries. >> Addendum for minutes. Motion to clarify meeting minutes from O from the October 19th, 2023 board meeting and draft an addendum to the minutes stating the following. Under agenda item K8, the following four votes were against Luke Maine, Jason Kern, Betty Shingle, Zony Jackson, and Michelle Lifeart. I'll make a motion for just so that we can discuss. One second. >> Thank you. >> When was the request for these to be changed? >> So, this was brought um this request was pointed out um by Mr. May >> when >> um I don't have a date in front of me honestly. Um I believe it was at least a week ago, two weeks. I I'm talking. >> Okay. Um

195I did look into it under the school district policy. Um whenever there's a roll call vote, we have to actually list the individuals in the way that they voted on a roll call vote. This item in the meeting minutes did not. And so that is why this motion is before you to correct that. >> I don't have a problem with that. I mean the way it was, but open school or open records says specifically that the sunshine law states that a request to change the minutes once they've been approved by the board has to be received within 30 days of the approval of the minutes. The assumption we're going to have is this is well there is an error on there's an error on your meeting minutes um according to your policy. Um and according

196to Robert's rules and this is not changing the way anybody voted. This is just >> No, but I just the law is the law and it supersedes our policy or our Robert's rules of order. And the open records I mean Sunshine Law specifically states that a request to change the minutes must be received within 30 days after they've been approved. I I'd like to just say what I'm think I I have no qualms about that being there. You can watch it on YouTube. It's public. I mean really. But this is what I do have a problem with. That is over two years ago. That was a completely different board. Those people that voted and approved those minutes. How would they know about this? I mean that is >> which is why the request should be

197within 30 days. I I think when it's two and a half years I don't I just that's I think that seems like it's a legal problem to me. >> I mean you're the lawyer but I'm saying >> I do understand. I'm just putting it before you >> a different board >> because there is an error. We verified that there was an error. Um so we're bringing it before this board for consideration. But yes, I agree. It should have come before this the old board. a significant time ago. But um >> I have a question then. Could it >> could it be amended? Well, no, that would change how it came about because I mean correcting the records I think is important, but at the same time I I guess my my question would be to

198you what your legal opinion would be if it was amended. Well, it doesn't even say that Mr. Mine brought it to us. I guess I'm struggling with although he's the one who brought it to us and it wasn't within the 30 days that the law says it needs to be. Could the board not decide to approve it just because we want to correct our record? >> Correct. >> But does it change the fact that we want to approve it just because we wanted to make sure the records were corrected based on how it came about to us? Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Okay. Let me back up just a little bit. So, you are not going to What you're doing is an addendum. It's a separate sheet of paper that would be attached to

199the meeting minutes would have today's date if you vote to do this. >> Just showing that we recognize the issue today and that there's an addendum. You would not go back and actually change physically change those meeting minutes from 2023. >> It's going to be a notation. Um, and >> for everybody >> I'm then your other question was um trying to think of the other question. So we're not doing it. Yes, it was brought to me by Mr. Mine, but it it is an error. So yes, he brought it to my attention, but I'm not doing it in any way, shape, or form to appease any individual. I'm doing it because there's an error, and that's what I would do if I found an error anywhere really in the meeting minutes. So, >> I just

200think it's unfair to those board members that sat here and approved those to be two and a half years later. >> I I I think I think that's not justifiable. I just >> Well, I don't know how we ended up violate the sunshine law. >> I guess I don't see how it would be unfair to them because it doesn't change like what happened. It's just to correct the record. I don't I mean, I can't speak for them. I wouldn't think that they would have a problem with correcting records. But >> did you ask any of them? Because I did and they don't like it. I'm just saying. >> And I'm not we're not striking out those meeting minutes from 2023. We're just going to add a sheet of paper that says >> there was a

201roll call. >> And again, I don't have any qualms about it that was stated. You can watch it on YouTube. It's public. But to change something that a previous board, it is not like it was last week. It was over two years ago, >> which goes back to I I just keep saying I don't know that we as a board legally >> can vote to violate the sunshine law. >> Yeah, >> the sunshine law is clear that a request to change the minutes, and this would be changing them by adding the addendum, >> must come within 30 days of approval of them. This has been over two years. >> Miss Hall, in your legal opinion, >> yes. >> If we were to vote on this to change it, would that put us in any muddy

202waters legally? >> You're not going to vote to change it, >> to amend an addendum. Would that would that lead us into anything? >> Any problems that you know of? >> Not that I know of. I mean, just because >> I'm only asking because >> they're wrong. Let's just put it that way. They're wrong. They're not according to your policy. It was a roll call vote and according to policy and it's Robert's ro roll call vote, every single person that votes a certain way must be recorded. That was not done here. It is on video. But bottom line, what lasts and what matters is the documentation that we create as of a board meeting, not the video. And so I had the issue brought to me. I'm bringing it to you. I don't I'd like

203to um consider an executive session because I have something to say about this and it's >> you need to make a motion then. >> I I make a motion. >> I don't know what >> Well, I guess we will see when we >> possible litigation. >> Yeah. >> Is that your reasoning? >> Yes. >> All right. So, you need to make a motion. >> I make a motion that we do an executive session for possible litigation. I mean, what I have to say is five minutes long. Okay. I I I just think it's something that we might be overlooking as a >> whole looking at collaboratively. >> Yeah. >> Believe me, I don't want to be here all night. I I'm just saying. >> Okay. So, we had a a motion in a second to

204adjourn to executive session >> to address possible litigation. Okay. >> All right. And roll call. Mr. Hoover. >> Yes. >> Miss Jackson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Leer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Varnick. >> Yes. >> Mr. Shingle. >> Yes. >> Mr. Thomas. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Grove. >> Yes. >> M. >> Yes. >> All right. Meeting adjourned at 9:04 to go to executive session. We are back from executive session at 9:23 p.m. >> Okay. Seth >> where we discussed potential litigation. >> Okay. I make a motion to table this item indefinitely. Did we have to do a roll call like to sign us back into the meeting? >> No. >> Okay. I wanted to make sure. I'm sorry. So, motion to table this agenda item indefinitely. >> Second. >> All right. We

205have a first and a second. >> All right. From my bearings, we need the roll call for that. >> Any discussion? table. >> Okay. So, now we're on a roll. >> You don't need a roll call on this. >> No roll. Okay. All right. All those in favor? >> I Any opposed? Any extensions? Motion carries. All right, moving on. Approval of general fund schedule of bills. Approve the general fund schedule of bills from January 16, 2026 to February 13, 2026. Check number 81785 through check number in the amount of sorry $88,418.54 as submitted. So move >> second. All right. Any discussion? All those in favor? Any opposed? Any extensions? Motion carries. Approval of the food service schedule of bills. Approve the food service schedule bills dated February 19, 2026. Check number 7838 through check number

2067840 in the amount of $56,2521 as submitted. So move. Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor. >> Any opposed? Any abstensions? Motion carries. Approval of treasurer's report. Approve the treasur's report for the month of January 2026 as submitted. >> All right. Any discussion? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Motion carries. Sorry. Um, all right. All right, moving on to superintendence report. The pen commercial agreement approve the articulation agreement between McGuffy School District and Pen Commercial as presented. So move second. >> All right. Any discussion? I have discussion. Um, I I wholeheartedly believe in giving our students choices and options and I feel it's important to continue to do that. Um, I know I asked about the articles of agreement and I know they've been looked at before. I personally would like

207to read them again before approving this to ensure for myself that I know we're not going against something we've already agreed to. Um I just want to ensure that there's nothing in them that says we have to fill those seats at Western area before filling things somewhere else. It's not that I think that we can't send students to another um test technical school. I just want to verify for myself that's just me. It was not something I thought of until we had our discussion earlier. Um that that's really all that I I would have to say. I'm I'm honestly struggling with this decision because obviously I mean we're all here because we want our kids to have opportunities and we want them to be able to choose. But when I sit and I think about

208dual enrollment and those students that are going to take college courses, they're going to have to pay for those courses. And when I look at pen commercial, it is a postsecondary institution. It's also listed as where when you look at Western area, it's kind of considered their cosmetology is kind of considered a stepping stone for maybe attending a postsecary school. And so then when I first saw it, I was like, "Well, that's a no-brainer. I'm going to go to Tonian Guy because >> my my my technical trade school tuition is going to get paid for by the school district. $2,800 worth of hairdressing supplies is going to get paid for as well." And I'm thinking that's not like that's it that doesn't seem right to me when we're having dual enrollment students pay for their

209college courses, but yet we're paying for a set of students for that type of tuition. And then it just kind of had me thinking about the improvements that we could make within by saving some of those fundings or like Mr. Bonus mentioned about Mr. Valentine and our CTE programs that we have, there's over 300 students. Well, I take that back. There's 212 FFA students. There's probably 250ish students that are in that CTE program area. And for Mr. Bonus to stand up there and say like, Mr. Valentine's doing a great job. He's, you know, growing the program and he's giving opportunity and more choices. But you have to wonder like how much can one teacher and then well three teachers altogether do to grow a program. They're not going to be able to at some point

210some kids are going to suffer because there's not going to be enough teachers to teach those programs. It would also help too like the opportunity to grow those CTE programs but maybe add more CTE programs which thus then gives us more funding um because every CTE program you have you get funding for your enrollment. So like what if we added business and computers and >> I realize I'm going down a rabbit hole but um I'm just thinking about >> No, you're not >> different opportunities. You're not going down a rabbit hole because Trinity does just that. They have a whole bunch of them. >> But yeah, but you know like and we're the only two school districts and let's face it, Trinity's budget is way larger than ours >> and it's just Trinity and Madaki

211that's doing pen commercial and I just >> and then I think too like Mr. Bennis mentioned there are students that don't get into the masonry. There are students that don't get into the HAC. So then how come we're not making that available to those students as well? Because Penn commercial has those those programs as well. So why why only for one subset of students have we chosen to add this additional offering I guess. And so that's just a good pointing. >> I I think that would be great if we would look at that. But that's all long-term stuff. Yeah, this is we're just talking about this program now. But if we wanted to look at um other schools, not just Pink Marshall, any other school that offers HBAC or what welding or whatever it is,

212I mean, what gives them other options? >> Well, and it's a struggle, too, because like Mr. pointed out that you know Western area is basically there for the school district and so their funding is directly related to their enrollment and so the more students that we have enrolled the less cost it's going to be for our district as well um >> to a point to a point >> there's always to a point because even with our CTE programs there's funding to a point >> but they do, >> right? >> Like right now our programs fund themselves and then some. You know what I mean? Like they're they're self-sufficient. So I think those are all valid points. I think the thing for me is I always come back to how do we as members of this

213board square away missed opportunities for our students and it's not like I mean if you look in 2223 we had 71 students at Western area in 232 24 we had 82 students at Western area in 2425 we 96 students at Western Area and this year we've had 87. Those numbers are high. They've gone up. So, it's not like we're taking away from >> No, we're not. You know, and I think honestly when you're talking about the amount of money for for 20 students at at cosmetology at Penn Commercial and you're looking at the budget that we're looking at 50,000 is a drop of the bucket. I'm not saying it's insignificant, but at the same time, I think there are other ways we could cut that would have more benefit without limiting our students and their

214dreams. >> And it's not the program that they're getting is a high school program. I mean, they're graduating. It's part of their their high school the credit that they need in order to graduate high school. Just like the vote, sorry, western area is a program that gives them they're graduating with those skills from high school. >> So when they graduate from western area, are they coming out with their certificate? Yeah. >> So it's they're getting the same certificate. often times if they do the co-op program >> and if we're looking at the money differences I mean down the road we could look at okay we will fund $650 of your cosmetology kit commercial if that's where you want to go because whenever you go and figure out how much it is per year after that

215it's it's pretty close >> and if you want to say okay you guys if you want to go to paint commercial then we'll pay $650 of that >> $2300 $1 and you guys pick up the rest. >> I don't know. It's something we could look at, >> right? Well, I think that's part of what my concern is that long-term looking ahead long term at what it's going to do to our budget. And I that's a great point you make. You know, what if this opens the door to offering things like this to other kids who get turned out at Western turned down at Western? We don't have it in the budget to continue doing that. So, it's it's Well, we only have so there's only so many seats you could put into Are you just

216talking about the cosmetology or talking about other >> trades? But I mean, Mrs. Roard's right. There are other trades at Western that kids get turned on for and we don't send them to another program, >> right, >> that might be available. Why are we doing it with cosmetology? I think that's just a great point and I think that opens up the door for future agreements coming our way that financially strap us put us in a tough spot because well you did it for Cosmo why aren't you going to do it for this like it's a long-term picture for me is what I'm looking at and for all intents and purposes the the dual enrollment can say the same thing right so we're paying the tuition for this and I look at it as a yes,

217it's a high school program, but it is a post-secary institution that we're looking at. >> And so I look at it as we're paying this tuition, then these dual enrollment kids are going to be like, well, why aren't you paying my tuition? Why aren't you paying my tuition, my sharing my cost of my college course like this? I think the the simplistic answer to that would be that a lot of those courses we have comparable courses of our own um that that are offered. In this particular case, we're looking at a limit of the number of seats available for students in this program. Whereas a lot of the courses that are offered in the dual enrollment programs are courses that we have comparable courses at McGuffy. >> They're taking them through. Well, I'm just saying

218but right now that's all we consider, right? We're looking at >> in hopes that we can get more articulation agreements with other colleges and universities would be awesome for us opportunities and give us our students more choices. Of course, >> that's right. I mean ultimately what we would like to do. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Berg, I know you had started to say something earlier, but >> I just the the one thing that I was struggling with, especially like you're saying with the budget, I don't think we should disenfranchise kids to to grow in what they're doing. >> And I think that if down the line we can provide more things by let's say in the budget, let's say we we make room for that. Why should we cut it now for these students today and

219then we would have to reintroduce it in couple years because we have the funding now. Why is that? I'm just saying if if we were to be able to open up the door for other students to do more things down the road, why are we just cutting this program now? I I get that. I I understand that it's costing us more, but it's going to cost us well the same in the future. I I'm just saying if if we're disenfranchising eight students or I believe that was the number eight students this year that wouldn't be able to go into that program, why are we why are we doing that now? Why didn't we do that four years ago? Why do we even start it if we're not going to see it through for these students

220actually get through? And I I know that we're going to have this >> for this. Yeah. The teach out. I understand that. But why are we cutting programs whenever we should be growing as a district? I I get that if we cut other places in the budget so that we can make room for students to actually grow into careers later. Why are we cutting a program now that could see students through to the future? if if if we cut other places in the budget to where we can grow programs, why are we doing that now? Why are we cutting the program just now? That's that's the only thing that I'm worried about because if we cut it now, then in the future we might be like, well, we can't do that. Why would we do

221that? On the opposite end of what you're saying, even though that I do agree that opens the door for other >> people to want >> to get their stuff paid for, to have that opportunity, but we should have this opportunity for students and that doesn't mean that we should cut them down now. And I Yeah, I get it. >> There's a there's a future thing to me. I I get that if we right now it might cost us some, but in 20 years, if we're able to cut the budget some over 20 years, we could open up more opportunities in the future. >> I think for me, I'm thinking of more in-house opportunities, like using that money instead of funding a private institution, using the money in-house to fund our own programs. And it that

222just >> but if you're talking about and not not that I disagree with that I think you know internal growth is always a good thing and definitely in career and technology you know those are those are areas we really need to look at but at the same time when you start talking about developing our own like we're going to talk about what developing our own cosmetology program the the cost to set up a facility for that is astronomically more than what we'd be looking at here. >> You know what I'm saying? And so you look at well then if that's going to take we're years away from being able to have the money to do something to that extent. So what happens to all those students in between >> who want this program? I'm thinking

223more along the lines of because we have um engineering technology, agricultural mechanization, and general agriculture as our current CTE programs, we could probably do like a business CTE, a computer CTE, building off of the programs that we currently have and the teachers that have that that teaching subset to provide those. >> I get that. But I I if I'm a cosmetology student, I >> don't want to hear it. What's how that help me? >> Right. >> I think we're missing the bigger picture here. Personally, I think we need to come back to reality. We're looking at a $1.7 million budget deficit and we're going to expand and do more programs for more students. We'll be lucky to have a school district in two years. Uh uh you can't continue to go in the hole. If

224we lose 1.7 million next year, we'll be $300,000 in the deficit that we have to find somewhere to pay the bills or we're broke. We won't have a school to worry about any of this. But we continually want to spend spend spend the taxpayers dollars. And if we're spending $51,000 for 17 students, it's a very small subset. I understand the pros and the cons of the two of them, but we have to understand that we own our checkbook is only so big and it ain't getting any bigger. Our district for the last 20 years has became stagnated. There is no growth models in the future. We have no industry in our district to come and give us huge tax funds. We're stuck with the funding that we have and we barely going to be able

225to pay the bills, but yet we're going to give a private company $50,000 more. I'm sorry, but when we go to vote to raise these people's taxes, I can't prove spending $51,000 on 17 students, even though that may be a better program. I don't know. But it all got to come down to dollars and cents. I mean, you can say that you want to do everything you can for a student, but if we don't have a school, you ain't going to be able to do anything for any student. >> Can Can I go by? >> I was I was just wondering then in previous years, I wasn't here at the time, but we had members of the board talking about cutting other programs for the school and they got grilled and they got harassed by

226the public, but yet we're up here cutting a program. I get it's not the same size as those programs in the previous that were announced. But if we're talking about the deficit that we're talking about and then we're turning around and saying that we don't have the funds for these programs and the person who brought forth that beforehand was grilled and harassed and by other members of the board. I'm just saying why are we cutting a program whenever in the previously we decided not to cut a program >> whenever we could have been to save the funds. Though I don't agree with cutting the program. I'm just saying why are we doing that now whenever we could have done it then and then now we wouldn't have been in the deficit that we're looking at

227if we would have cut that program. I'm just saying it's >> confusing has something she wanted to say. >> Yeah. >> Um the one thing that I would add is um the we have Mr. Grove had mentioned that Watson's uh school and I mean there's a need for that >> but we've looked up before can we do that internally understand we can't right now but that's 60ome thousand for four students I mean >> yeah I know I mean times four you know so I I know it's two different things but you're that's a private school that's not the only private school that offers those things there's other options there too so I believe you know we're we're we partnering the point. Do we want to give our students do we want to continue to let

228them have the best options that we can provide right now? Honestly, in my opinion, we're never going to get out of the hole as long as we keep having all this overhead expense on high insurance and on retirement. That that contract is where we need to change. And I'm not trying to we are blessed to have great teachers, but that is the biggest part of our budget. And that's where we need to look at cutting. And honestly, what's going to happen in a couple years, which I'm sure there's people that can say this happened a few years ago, is people are going to get laid off. So, we can either try to give them the best options that we have to give them right now. If this doesn't work out, we can cancel. It's not

229like you're never going to be recommitting it to it for the rest of your life. You're really, it's even as though it's a five-year contract, we have the option within the contract. >> True. >> To discontin it at any point. And I I I will say this. I Seth, I really appreciate you bringing that up. I was against the idea of cutting those programs. I'm against the idea of cutting. I'm never going to be in favor of cutting programs that cut options and choices for our students. I believe in our vision statement. I believe that that is one of our primary functions as a board. I get fiscal responsibility is important as well, but I believe there are other areas where we can make those cuts at not at the expense of disenfranchising students. Well,

230quote for their dreams >> Crushing their dreams for their I just I don't think that that's the place. >> So, back to my my only concern I don't want to say my only concern. My main concern is as I mentioned when I started out was the article articles of agreement. I personally would like to see those first to confirm that there's nothing in it that says we have to send our kids there and fill those seats first for a couple of different reasons. One, because we've been with Western area for as long as the district I mean, I don't know exactly when it all began. It's been a long time, but um there's a good relationship there, but also because if there's seats there, we should fill them and it benefits Washington County school districts

231when we do that because of enrollment. >> Well, Mrs. That's right. What if we amended the motion to approve this articulation agreement um upon um review of the articles of >> Yeah. Well, I want to say upon um a clarification that we are not restricted to uh a number of of I'm trying to think of how to word it. not restricted um by a written communication in the articulation agreement with Western Area Career Technology Center to fill those seats first. >> Well, we already have >> Does that make sense? Yeah, but we already have that documentation. They sent that to us. Dr. Oberg and Mr. Bonus both said that that Western area sent us a documentation that said we don't have that. Yeah. So, We don't have what? >> Yeah, I you question me. My

232name >> you and Mr. Bonus both said we had documentation from western area that said they have nothing in there that restricts us from sending to other pro area. Looked at that before >> to to clarify not from Western area but from Christ our former solicitor. >> Oh okay. >> Yes. >> I thought Mr. said from western >> western area was at the time um saying that both Trinity and McDuffy >> would be in violation. >> Yeah. >> And so um Rush Lucas at the time >> Yeah. Maybe that's the wording. We would vote to approve this um pending clarification that it doesn't violate >> our agreement with. >> Would that work? Okay. >> I like that. >> Are there are there ever any ability? >> Well, I have Do you want me to make

233that amendment? A motion to amend? >> Oh, I was I was going to say we can hold off a little bit. I just I wanted to So for instance like the western area and then I would assume green county >> Alageney County they all have their >> Yeah Dolly Molly they all do >> that's a little bit of a although it is Houston from here. I was just trying to think if there's >> any other >> if there are any other options between >> those kinds of >> career and technical centers. I see. I see. >> You technically can't, and I know this because I've worked as as an administrator with this in the past, you can't just send your students like our district can't just send our students to Alageney career county career. >>

234It has to be within your region. >> They could only be eligible to go there if there is something >> that's not offered there. Well, and even that's limited because like it's where it worked for for a student that I had was he had an IEP and there was something in his IEP goals that made him open to being eligible for a program that Mont Valley had that Western area didn't. That's the only end. You can't just choose. And even if they have a program that Western area doesn't and it it doesn't necessarily mean that you can just send a student there. >> It's not it's not choosing. It's just there aren't enough seats to house. >> Yeah. But but I'm saying it that's not for funding purposes because they're all state funded, right? And

235they're and so >> they don't work that way. >> That's why I was trying to think. Yeah. Okay. It's like a complicated formula of how you send them out to like Parkway. >> Yes. And >> I don't have all the ins and outs of that. And I don't even know. Let's say like if you're looking at Parkway, do they even have open seats? >> Yeah. Are they in the same? >> They're typically in the same situation. >> Positive. It's 12. >> Mr. Milanovich confirmed that with me that we have 12 seats available to us last school year and this school year. >> Can we ask for more? >> Yes. It depends on the number of how you formulate because every district is offered a certain number of >> and we're the second highest sending district.

236>> We are the second highest but it is based on enrollment. >> Yes. >> So even though we're the second largest school thank you thank you. >> What's that? We can take all these classes. >> Well, and that's the other thing too with Western area is if we fill all of our spots and we still have students that want to go, they do give those spots away to other school districts. That's actually what's happened to the seats that McGuffy has left open. They just get given to other school districts for their students to benefit from it. So, we're actually kind of hurting ourselves a little bit. a foot. >> It's a it's it's a it's dang if you do, dang if you don't. Like it's it really is one of those. And that, like I

237said, that's why I want to make sure that if we are supposed to be sending and filling all 12 of those spots, I'd rather fill all those 12 spots. And then once those spots are filled, the students that want Cosmo after that, there's nothing at Western, but here's what we have for you. There's still an option. I don't know. I don't know the answer to this, but the students that are already at pen commercial, I know that we have that. Um, yeah, but would they continue that? >> I'm saying regardless if we slew all the seats at at um >> I don't know how you say to students when there's two different programs, you don't get a choice. like if they can ch I don't know >> if >> yes >> with they they go

238to school until their four years are done and then we only go let's say we only have 12 do we only allow the kids the other kids to go to commercial even though we're allowing these students to go to >> the way the contract's written now >> yes >> no >> but what I'm saying is if were to focus in would we be for example not only for >> I'm confused. So what I'm what I'm asking is is that if we let's say for example let's say we close down pen commercial altogether the the idea of pen commercial now we only have 12 seats open we fill all 12 of those seats there's kids left over so they wouldn't get it okay if we put in that pending let's say we put a motion in

239that if we fill all 12 of those seats the overlap can go to pen commercial >> you can't do that if you don't approve the articulation agreement >> that's what I'm asking so if if that's the case >> have to be amended Exactly. So that I was I was just wondering if those kids that are currently there at Pen Commercial, would they continue out what they would be doing or would they be forced because we'd have to fill those seats at >> No. >> Okay. I'm just asking >> for me personally, I would prefer they complete their schooling there. >> I'm just asking right >> now. I see your point because you would still be paying the annual enrollment fee. I get that. I would think that what would be best for those students that

240are already in that program they complete that program within that district that's not district but that building >> and who's going to choose who's going to choose the students. >> Okay. >> Well, that's what I mean. I don't >> you can't it's either you Yeah, you >> I think if I said they do to choose >> you Well, I Yes. However, in this situation, I'm leaning towards we should just stick with Western area. But >> I personally don't have a problem with commercial. I think it's a great option. I just think if we're obligated to fill seats at Western Area, we need to fill those first if we're obligated. >> If Right. So is my So then I'm going to make a motion to amend this motion to approve the articulation agreement between McGuffy School

241District and Pen Commercial as presented pending verification that it does not violate the articles. our student number requirements in our articulation agreement with Western Area Career and Technology Center. >> I already made a motion. >> All right, I second her amended. So we have a first to the motion and a second to the motion >> to amend the agenda item >> to say what you have written there. >> And you have it too, right? >> Okay. So I kind of here >> the wording was changed a little bit. So may may I repeat Miss Gaffin and you correct me if I have this just so that Lauren I have the motion right. Motion to approve the articulation agreement between McGaffy School District and Penn commercial as presented pending >> verification >> that it does not

242violate. Okay. >> Violate our student enrollment requirements >> in our or I should just say per our articulation agreement >> with Western Area Career and Technology Funding Center. >> Yeah. Okay. We've had um a second. >> Okay. So roll call if I can read it. >> Clarification. Are we voting on this motion or voting on the amendment? >> We're voting on the amendment. >> All right. So roll call. Correct. >> Okay. I'll be I'd rather be safe. >> Okay. M. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> No. >> Mr. Martin. >> No. >> Mingle. >> Yes. >> Mr. No, >> Mr. B. >> Yes, >> Mr. Grove. >> Yes, >> Mr. Hoover. >> No, >> I'm going to say yes because I would like >> I would like to make a motion to tables a motion. Well,

243we already passed a motion. The >> You just changed the motion. I'll make a motion to table that, >> but we we we we passed the artic articulation agreement. >> I understand it. I'm still making a motion to table it. Vote on it. >> Let me clarify. Hold on, please. Let me let me clarify so that I understand. We approved the amendment >> which is approved to approve the motion, the new motion. Correct. I thought that's what we had to do. >> You're right. >> We approved the amendment to the motion. Now we're going to vote on the amend the >> Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. >> Okay. I was >> I was overall. Yes. >> So, you're you're motioning to table motion. Yes, because I think we need to have more information from Mr. Milanovicher

244who's the director of Western Area. >> Okay. >> Well, I don't think we have enough information at this time. >> I'm sorry. Point of order. There's no discussion after a motion's table. >> That's true. >> He was just clarifying. >> We didn't yet. I'll second. All right, I'm going to do a roll poll again. >> What we just voted on? >> Well, we we amended the motion. We voted to amend the motion. We are tableabling that amendment. So, that amendment is what should come up next month whenever >> it gets brought back up. If you vote yes to table, if we vote yes to table, right, Mr. Ler, did you want to put >> to table it till next month? >> Yeah. Motion to table. >> Yeah, it'll come back. >> Well, no, I mean

245that it's assumed it'll come back immediately unless stated otherwise. >> All right, roll call. Mr. Ranger. Yes, >> Mr. Martin. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Table. >> Yes. >> No. No, >> Mr. Mr. Hoover. >> Yes, >> Miss Jackson. >> No, >> yes. >> Okay. All right, moving on. 20 till next month. Yes. 2026 2027 McGuffy High School academic handbook revisions. Approve the revisions to the 2026 2027 McGuffy High School academic handbook as presented. >> I'm going to make a motion to table because we can't approve this until we approve the previous. That's that is I I second >> because that's the determination between them. >> Did you did you announce the mo the motion >> and then? >> Well, yeah. We don't have a first and a second yet on the motion itself. >> Correct.

246>> on this one on the academic. >> You don't need one to make your motion to table. >> Okay. >> And you have two to table. Do you have the first and the second down? >> I have >> it. It's not to be difficult. It's just that that's the difference in the two of you. >> We can't discuss, right? >> We are there's no discussion after motion table. >> Okay. >> No, >> you can't do anything. No. That's right. >> All right, y'all. The motion is to table the academic handbook. You have a first and a second. Let's do a roll call considering >> All right. Mr. >> No, >> yes. >> Mr. Thomas, >> no. >> Mr. Ball, >> no. >> Mr. Grove, >> yes. >> Mr. Hoover, >> no. >> Miss Jackson, >>

247yes. >> Mr. Lier, >> no. >> Miss Fry, >> no. I don't know how we are making a motion to >> Well, no, you can't discuss until you have a motion. >> Right. So, now we need >> Okay, it's okay. >> What am I doing? >> Can we do Can we do so that pending the approval of that that we approve what's in front of us? Pending. >> I'm just asking. I'm just asking. >> Yeah. And when they depend on >> correct. >> So there's no way you can so as to not hold you up. >> Yes. I mean we're going to have to be very creative when it comes to the cosmology as a whole. I would ask not to hold it up. Yes. >> So here's my hold the rest of it up.

248So the motion, excuse me. So the motion would be to approve everything but the cosmo part. We would have to amend the motion. >> That's what I was ask. That's what we could do, but I don't know if we can. >> I mean, I would ask that because again, we worry there's a little bit behind >> um not make it happen. You know, students need to take time to have choices. So >> I make a motion to do that so that we do it and have just cosology. I think that's okay. Right. >> Discrimination >> pending pending. Yes. Pending cosmetology being ch our decision on >> Yes. >> I'm I'm just asking. >> So here's my question because we have the two options there. So what what we're asking is to amend it so that

249it states that we would approve the one without cosmetology for now and then bring the one back. which might >> do the two options. >> The only difference is that the commercial Yeah. Because we we still are offering cosmetology, right? >> Even if we don't do pen commercial, right? >> Yeah. Cos not cosmetology as a whole. Pen commercial. I apologize. >> Does one have specific mentions of pen commercial? Correct. >> Yeah. That's the difference in the two of them. So, >> we can't retire. >> We can't approve the one with pen commercial listed because we didn't approve 10 commercial. >> Make a motion to amend the motion so that we approve the handbook >> except for the cosmetology part of it so that Mr. Bonus could >> pen commercial >> pen commercial part of it.

250So, Mr. I don't think we have a pending and we tabled the decision on pen commercial. You can't now then motion to pass a handbook that doesn't include them and we don't know that they may be included. >> Yeah, we can have a motion to include them at the next meeting. >> Then I I think the easier thing to do is just to amend or to pass the the handbook. >> Yeah. without without cosmetology not commercial without cos >> right >> pending pending the vote on the cosmetology program >> well I think that's what he was saying was instead of A and B in our motion it actually has version one version two so it I took this as he was asking to amend the motion to exclude the one that has >> yeah I

251don't think that's fair >> but not just called apology Well, well, I don't understand why that's a problem because if we haven't approved them commercial and you're saying to >> but we haven't not approved them either. >> Yeah. >> No, I get that. So to pass a handbook that excludes them is >> yeah it's you can't you can't you can't pass a handbook that excludes a program that you have not yet determined if you're going to have >> I truly think that >> I truly I truly think it's just not not if we vote on that or not. I I that tableabling thing was the right option because it's look it's too up in the air. We'll just have to look at it next month after we voted. >> Mr. Can I make a motion

252to table? >> Yeah. >> Again, >> well, we we already have >> I don't know. repercussions. We're we've already put it off probably two weeks past. >> It's not saying bonus could make this happen. But now for your your rising sophomores, students and seniors who are looking at this mostly your sophomores, they'll they'll do the visit to Penn commercial only if that is something that we've approved here because right now as of today as you heard he told you they went to western area and then those students are still interested in western area will have them go back and do another look at it. It's at that point that those students that have interest in cosmology also have the interest in going to. So here's what I'm saying. My opinion approved version two. We'll let

253those students know that have an interest in cosmology. Possibly build a pen commercial that that's pending March. Don't hold up anything else. Approve student with the idea that it may not happen. We'll have those conversations with our students saying at this point we're not going to commercial that may >> but it may happen and I don't think I don't think at this point we're saying they don't have the option that it's not going it may not happen. I think we're saying that we don't know if it's going to happen, >> but we don't know that it's not gonna >> I don't disagree. I'm saying, >> but the option that is version two has everything else in Western area. >> Yeah. >> Minus and commercial. If we find that we have it, then we'll work as

254hard as we can to offer the students the options between Western. That's my suggestion to the board. approve the second version. So it's the bonus the students can start working on. >> I would revise my motion to adopt the what Dr. Ober just said the second one >> version two. >> Well, I don't think you need to make a a motion to amend because the approval is either one or two. >> So if he's saying that we're voting to approve version two, it's already stated there. You don't need an amendment for that. All right. Okay. All right. So, you're voting whether to approve version two. >> All right. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Opposed? No. >> Any extensions? Motion carries. All right. Okay. Donation. Accept a donation from Range Resources

255for $812.36 for the transportation to the Carnegi Museum of Natural History for the third grade field trip per the terms of Nadaki School District policy number 702 gifts, grants, and donations. Um, all those in favor. >> Oh my goodness. I'm sorry. >> Second. Mr. Hoover. >> All right. Thank you. Um, all those in favor? Any discussion? I'm sorry. >> You guys got me all messed up. All right. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Any abstensions? Motion carries. All right. Donation. um accept a donation from Range Resources for $500 to purchase prizes and incentives for PDIS in the middle school per the terms of NATO school district policy number 702 gifts grants and donations. >> Second. >> All right. Thank you. All those in favor? >> Any opposed? Any extension? Any extensions?

256Motion carries. accept a donation from Range Resources for $1,000 to be used toward a library renovation for the middle school and high school. Per the terms of Kentucky School District policy number 702, gifts, grants, and donations. >> Submit. Second. >> Any discussion? >> What is the donation actually specific say specifically say? >> I was going to ask that. >> I I would like to know that just as well. I don't. >> Is this the one that had the the verbiage about the calming or the >> Yes. And then it >> but it says library renovation. >> It was changed. It did say calming room. >> So let me just kind of help with the the idea of calming room. So used in many many school districts. Uh they're called chill zones, quiet spaces, sensory rooms.

257What it is is it gives an opportunity for students that are maybe in distress from sensory uh to help them self-regulate. The idea was one of the things we looked at for the library was as I talked about before this board uh it's a multi-use space and this was actually a grant was that our high school counselors went after because we've been talking about that space. So um in in the current library there are some rooms that could be used potentially for a sensory room chill zone whatever you want to call that um it helps to reduce uh behavior issues improves academic focus when students sometimes just a thing to step away and and and as far as behaviors too. So that's what that was earmarked for. It was something that our high school counselors

258came for. At this point though, without having looked at the actual check, I I can't say for certain. >> Right. And again, when it was it was given to us by >> Yeah. So, it was given to one of our high school counselors. She's the one who then submit. She asked it to us and said, "I'm your marking it for this." That's why it was put on it that way. >> Okay. So my question is what does Range expect that their money is going to do? >> Right. Renovate the library >> to help. Yeah. To help with the renovation library. We've had I've had I've had range in here. I've had console CX. >> Does I I was just ask does having the censure room open us up to needing more funding for other things

259like more personnel? Do we have to I'm just asking does do we have to have another >> We would have to be very creative. Several schools have reached out for example I know us a >> they have folks that come in there's grants available but again right now we're not even close to >> yeah no I I get that >> looking at opportunities that probably came across I don't talk to >> so if I'm understanding this correctly resources has donated $1,000 to be used towards a library renovation for the middle school and high school period the te the the employee who um received the donation would like to earmark it for caring room but resources hasn't done so is that correct >> I can't say yes or no to that because again I was not

260the one doing it initiated this came to us as grant donation and following protocol we shared with Laura >> it's in there and so she has said earmarked for a chill zone >> well having worked in a school where they've had a a chill zone is actually what it was called. What What are the concerns? I don't I'm not understanding what the concerns are with No. Why >> What are the concerns against having it? >> I can share mine. Um, from speaking with other board directors at other districts that have them, it's been stated to me that they do contract with medical facilities to have nurses come in. There's no parental consent that they obtain for those students to go in and speak with a nurse or whoever they put in that room. These parents

261don't know that their kids are going into this chill room and talking to somebody. Some of the some of the agreements that they have within the school district, not agreement, some of what the school districts require is a sign in and a sign out and you have to put the reason why you're there. But there's no parental consent in your student seeking medical and mental health services from somebody. >> But that's in those schools, correct? We haven't yet. >> The grants, from what I've heard, the grants have those strings attached where they have to have some the medical profession grants from Ranch Range Resources. >> No, I'm talking about what the other districts are telling. >> Yeah, I'm Yeah, I'm just asking because what I'm thinking is >> to me we're putting the the court

262well before the horse. I mean, we haven't even determined in what way we would utilize a kill zone, calling room, whatever you want to call it. We can have that conversation when it's decided if we're having one, what are the parameters going to be? What are the guidelines going to be? >> But I don't think that that necessarily means we should put off accepting a $1,000 donation for renovation of of the library. >> Um, because we don't have it all worked out right now. We haven't even approved a renovation of the library though. >> Like that. Do you know what I mean? Like >> we've been in ongoing talks about >> you can accept a donation for for a project that you're looking to have. >> Yes. >> And then the understanding is if for

263some reason we decide not to renovate the library, the donation would go back to the donor. >> Right. So what's it matter to accept it? And then when we know if we're renovating the library, then we can determine how that space is going to be used at that time. If the administration brings to us, we'd like to consider and these are all the parameters and these are we could discuss it at that time. >> Well, I mean right now we don't even have the check written for clarified. So for me, I would like to table it. Yes, exactly. This isn't to say we don't want it or can't use it. It's just I mean we're we're we're agreeing to earmark it for something we haven't even approved. >> So for me it's putting the cart

264before the horse just like it's been stated. So that's that's my opinion. >> Madam President, >> yes, >> I would make the motion to table. >> All right, I'll second it. >> Dr. Will that have any bearing on the money? Is there a time limit on it? I know the >> All right. Just wondered. >> Okay. I just wondered. >> Thank you. Should we ask that we get the clarification before the next board meeting? >> We can't discuss anything. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I guess it's more of a legal the motion the table will come back to the March. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Hopefully there was enough information. All right. Okay. So, we have a first and a second to table somewhere. All right. All those in favor? >> Any opposed? >> No.

265>> Any abstensions? Motion carries. All right. Donors choose grants. Accepted donors choose grants totaling $16,138 for student support materials peri school district policy number 702 grants gifts and donations move >> second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I. >> Any opposed? >> Any abstensions? Motion to stay. >> All right. >> What is this one? What are we talking about here? >> What is What's the one are we on? >> We're going seven, right? Yeah. Six pass. We're on to seven. Watson Institute contract special education services. >> I just the the language the donation also provided health comfort and wellness supports. Health can cover a lot of territory. >> What are we talking about? warmth care, gloves, hats, scarves, coats, and nothing that I think of is warmth care and hunger project. >> Which one? I'm

266confused. >> Joe, as you're looking at the paragraph for Joe Walker, >> yeah, that were the last one at >> I didn't vote. That's the one I asked. >> Yes. And Mrs. Shingle hadn't voted yet. >> I thought she had. No, she asked for clarification on what we were voting on. >> I'm so sorry. I thought she was asking like what are we on now? >> Well, I just lost track here of all these donations and all this. >> That's okay. I didn't realize you you hadn't voted. I apologize. We are still on donor shoes grants number six >> for support materials. We've already we've already started voting. >> Yeah, we've already had the majority vote. Okay. Okay. I vote no. Yeah. I vote no. I vote no. >> Okay. I vote no. Move on.

267>> Okay. Watson Institute contract special special education services. Approve the agreement between the Ducky School District and Watson Institute for Special Education Services for the 2025 2026 school year. Move. >> Second. All those in favor? I'm sorry. Any discussion? I >> lobby all the services that we have to provide. Correct. >> Correct. >> And then uh have we is this the only facility that we've ever used for this? >> No, there's other facilities. We have we have districtwide 17 places currently in this one. We have >> this contract um There were four four names >> and t Dr. Erberg, you can correct me if I'm not wrong, but typically the district decides which facility for which student based on their IEP needs. Correct. >> Based on needs, and again, if we can get placed, >>

268right? >> Is very high right now. >> Is that like apples to apples comparison not wanting them to suffer at all in the quality of the services that they're receiving? This was the best price that we could find for the quality. Well, typically you can't do an apples to apples when it comes to IEPs and special needs because the needs that are specified in each individual IEP are very specific to that child's needs. So, you pick a placement that meets the needs of that in student's IEP. You don't you can't compare that to the needs of another student. >> So, it's not really apples. Not always. No. And so typically, and Dr. Oberg, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but typically when they're looking at which of the 17 facilities with which we have

269agreements, they're basing which one they're choosing for this particular student based on his particular or her particular needs in that IEP, >> right? >> Um because they don't all offer the same things. And even if they have similar programs, they're not all offered to the same extent. >> Am I covering everything? >> Pretty versatile. >> It's also very much based on availability to in service. >> Yeah. >> And this was for four students. There's four names there. >> Any other discussion? >> All right. All those in favor? I >> I any extens any no any extensions motion carries all right personnel um our personnel committee report um I will defer to Mrs. Barnick, we had our personnel committee met. Of course, I don't have my minutes in front of me. Um, as you'll see in

270the agenda, we'll be approving what we discussed. So, um, we talked about whether or not we would leave the meeting public versus um, closed. And it looks like we'll be voting on based on the recommendation of our solicitor um that it's going to be changed to a closed committee meeting. And so then we discussed the need for a par educator, the middle school girls basketball coaches, and then the spring assistant coaches. um because we decided to make this a closed meeting and if we vote on it tonight, we had talked about policy and how that we could work about talking, but if it's going to be a closed meeting, then we can't. So, Miss Jackson, I don't know if you wanted to mention your suggestion about >> Yeah, because what happened was in our policy

271committee meeting, there came up a couple policies that deal with personnel to an extent in relation to the generative AI policy and I had spoken with Mrs. Barnick and asked about getting the personnel committee's input on those and that maybe the simplistic thing to do as to not muddy the waters with public meeting, private meeting, whatever, is to just give the policies, give copies of the policies to the personnel committee members. they can write down their ideas um or give them to the chair who can then give them to the chair of the policy committee um and then we have their thoughts. Um as far as deliberation, the policy committee would then our our meetings are open to the public. So deliberation, you know, any discussion would take place in front of the public and

272any policy that comes to the board obviously has to have board approval before it passes anyway. So you don't you're not bypassing public input or or transparency, but you're also not violating the privacy issues that are attached to discussions of personnel, per se. So that was what she and I discussed. Um yeah, I think it's a great idea because then we can kind of help piggyback and collaborate to get some policy movement. Um so I think the next meeting in March, I'll probably What were the numbers? I forget off the top of my head. Three. I don't remember either. >> Okay. But there were two policies in mentioned that are going to be coming up in the policy committee. So, I'm going to present them to the first >> policy 308 and 818. >> I

273knew it was 308. I couldn't remember the other one. >> Sorry, I just off the top of my head. >> Okay, Madam President. That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> All right, moving on to our next item, Personnel Committee. approve the personnel committee status to be changed to a closed meet committee meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Any discussion? All those in favor? >> Any opposed? Any extensions? Motion carries. All right. PAR educator. Hire Jessica Priest as a PAR educator subject to assignment and per the terms and conditions of the McGuffy School District and McGuffy Education Support Professionals TSA NEA and pending receipt of all required clearances medical exams and act 168 and 126 verifications. >> So move second. >> All right. Any discussion? >> All those in favor? Any opposed?

274Any extension? Motion carries. Middle school girls basketball coaches. Approve Ashley Durig and Noah Johnson as middle school girls basketball coaches for the 2026 spring season pending receipt of all necessary clearances. >> So move. >> Any discussion? All those in favor? >> Any opposed? Any extension? Motion carries. Spring assistant coaches. Hire the following list of 2025 spring sport assistant coaches for the terms and conditions of the agreement between the board of directors and the education association pending receipt of all required clearances and act 168 verification in the event of a partial season. Salaries will be prrated. >> So move second. >> Uh any discussion? >> All those in favor. Um any note >> you can >> all that part. >> Okay. All right. Motion carries. Application to attend a conference approve Mrs. Renee Cambuzzi and Mrs.

275on laser to chaperon and attend the members of the McGuffy FFA the Pennsylvania SFA ACES leadership conference in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on February 28th through March 1st of 2026. So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Um, the registration typically comes from their budget, but just to be sure, that $1,800 registration >> one is being. >> Okay. Because it says cost to the district include >> that's the second one. >> Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. >> Where's the dollar? I missed it. No, >> I'm sorry. I was looking at the wrong one. >> Okay. All right. Any any discussion on the one >> roll call vote, please? Miss Jingle, >> this is for the um member CFFA. >> Yes. >> Mr. Thomas. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jones, my son. Mr. >> Yes.

276>> M. >> Yes. >> All right. Application to attend a conference. Um approved Mrs. Renee Campbuzzi and Mr. John Leard to chapron and attend the members of the McGuffy FFA the Pennsylvania FFA state legislative leadership conference in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on March 22nd through 24th of 2026. >> So moved. >> Okay. now cuz I was looking at the wrong one. This typically is in their budget, but yes, I wanted to make sure. >> Thank you. >> All right, any other discussion? >> You said it is in the budget. >> We'll get another roll call there for you. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ball. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ro. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hoover. >> Yes. >> Jackson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Leer. Abstain. >> Mr. Bar. >> Yes. >> Miss Jingle. >> Yes. >> All right. Budget

277committee report. I will deter defer to Mr. Hoover. >> Okay. Um we met uh February 3rd or yeah February 3rd. Um I want to take this opportunity to commend Mr. Mrs. Hoverchock. She was very prepared. Excellent presentation, you know, very informative. Put a lot of effort into getting things ready for that meeting. I appreciate that. So, um, what we, you know, we went over the budget as she pretty much presented tonight. She kind of just updated a little. I think there were a few updates from our committee meeting, but basically that's what we went over. Um, and you know during our meeting we kind of talked about expenses in a little bit more detail. What consisted of what you know I was we were all like wondering about classification of some type of expenses you

278know where they showed up in. So that's really all I have. We didn't do much else. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Weiss Burkheart Kramer LLC invoice dated January 2026. Approved payment from Whit Burkart Kramer LLC for two invoices dated February 12th, 2026 in the total amount of $3,965.75 as submitted. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor? >> Any um no? No. Any abstensions? All right, motion carries. Policy committee report. I will deter keep saying deter defer and this is Jackson, I'm sorry. Um, as far as the report, um, it's really the same. We've been working with the policy 815.1, um, which I think we're close to getting finished. We had really good discussion the last couple week the last couple meetings um January and in February um and I

279believe we might get it finished in the March meeting um and then be able to move on to we're going to move 30 what did I say 303 and 818 or 308 308 and 818 >> up on our rolling agenda because they are mentioned, they are cited in the generative AI policy. So, we feel it would behoove us to look at them um as close to the AI the 8:15.1. So, the goal is then to present to the board. We're thinking for the March meeting um 8:15 8:15.1 um it would be up for a first read. we'd have a month for everybody to look them over, give any input they may have, and then they would be up for a vote in the April meeting. Um, I I have to really commend Mr. Wilson has

280been gracious enough to attend the last couple, which has been very helpful as well, and Mr. um and Dr. Oberg um and the insight that they can offer um in how this is going to be used in our district. So, it's been very interesting conversations. Um, and it's been a really down in the weeds on a lot of it. So, um, that's just where we are. On the agenda for tonight, um, is policy 004, which is membership. If you'll remember back, we put that on the agenda to be looked at. Um what happened was there was a question that came up is relating to from a paragraph in this policy and I did explain this before but just to make sure we all understand and policy 006 and a discrepancy between the two. Um, I

281did go back and look at all of the videos from 2020 into 2021 through the pandemic era. Um, what happened was when the pandemic hit and everything got closed down, all schools um had in their policies to for holding meetings that they be held in public with with attendance. Um, and we at that time, the president at that time brought to the board a motion to suspend policy 006 so that we could hold virtual meetings. 004 was never mentioned. So, I'm assuming at that time I was a new board member. I got voted in in 2019 of November, took my seat in December and we had the pandemic in March. So was also just getting my feet wet. But there was great discussion on on all of that. And really the the suspending 006 was

282for us to be able to hold virtual meetings. We continued with that um even when we could hold public meetings again. The board president at that time asked the board to consider um lifting the suspension of 006. And we had a huge discussion among the board at that time in committee meeting, not in at the regular board meeting, but in committee meeting about what that meant and if it meant specifically that people could still attend virtually even though we were holding public meetings at the school. And if you remember, that's when we were holding them down in the gymnasium because of all of the distancing and all of that. The solicitor at that time also concurred that it doesn't matter because the legal definition of in attendance means can be heard, can hear and can

283be heard. So everybody was in agreement that nothing would change that people could still board members and community members could still participate remotely um virtually um and so we did. Again 004 wasn't mentioned. I can only assume that no one realized that 004 was connected to 006 in this way. So what we discussed as a policy committee was looking at just removing that paragraph in 004. Accommodations shall not be made for participation of schoolboard members in schoolboard meetings and/or executive sessions via video conferencing, telephone or other technological means. to delete that so that this policy now corresponds with 006 and the intent of the board at that time. Um, and then to put 004 on our agenda, our rolling agenda to look at more specifically for other things after we get done with the generative

284AI policy. So, the only thing that changes on the policy that's up for a vote tonight is removing that paragraph to be consistent with 006 and how we actually conduct our meetings. Um, so that everything is aligned. Are there any questions on that? >> That's 006 though, not 004. It's first reading. >> No, no, no, no, no. 006 is we already reviewed and it's been passed and it's this is what we're looking at is 004 but I'm we're asking the policy committee is asking the board to approve deleting this one paragraph from 004 so that it now correlates with 006. Okay. It just said on there for first reading. So did I not read it correctly? I don't see where it says for first reading the January meeting. >> No, it was on a first

285It was proposed. >> Yeah, it was proposed for that. I was going to say I didn't see that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Proposed for the first reading at the January 15th meeting. So, it is up for a vote tonight. Are there any questions on what the change is and why we're asking it to be changed? >> No, I'm good with this. Thank you. >> Okay. We will meet We meet the second Tuesday of every month. It is a public meeting. Um, and as I've already stated, our goal is to finish 815.1 in March. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> I have a question before we vote on this policy. >> Do we need to wait till we have the first and second on the motion? >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> No, it's

286okay. I have a question, too. Policy 004, uh, membership, adopt policy 004 as submitted. I'll motion >> second. >> Okay. All right. Now we can have discussion. Your question, Mr. Leisure. >> Under qualifications, it says be a good moral character. I think that's determined by the voters. I don't know that we can actually put that in there. Well, again, I would say just in response to that that we are going to look at the policy in whole more later. At this point, the only this is the way the policy is currently written. The only change that we're suggesting is deleting that one paragraph under it's actually under removals, which I'm not quite sure where that is, but under removals. Um, we are we will be asking for the board's input on the rest of the

287policy at a later date when we review the entire policy, but this is just a quick way to make sure that this policy correlates with 006. >> That removal's on page three, but okay. Yeah. So, that's a great conversation to have, Mr. leisure. But I think if we could wait and have that conversation when we review the whole policy, our goal at this point is simply to make sure this policy adheres to 006 as far as remote attendance for board members. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Now we can't all >> No, no, no, no. Now we can't. >> We can't. We always have, but this policy says with that paragraph that we couldn't, right? So we want to eliminate that paragraph so that it's meet 006 and we can continue practicing what we've been practicing.

288>> Right. Right. Exactly. >> I can hold my questions till we revise it completely. >> Thank you. Absolutely. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor? >> I. Any notes? Any extensions? Motion carries. Facilities use report. Dr. Over madam president 82 total uses of the school 24 by community and it was both boys youth wrestling and boys youth basketball. >> Okay. Thank you. The budget expenditure report for the month of January 2026 is presented for your review. Cafeteria report. The cafeteria report for the month of January 2026 are presented for your review. Pecard spending summary. The PCAR spending report from the month of January 2026 is presented for your review. >> Solicitor's report. I do not have a report this evening. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Western Area Career and Technology

289Center. First, I would like to say that I apologize to the public because I usually give a bunch of attachments for performance cyber to attach to the agenda and I have not done so in quite some time. So, I want to apologize for that and I am going to work better at getting those to her in time. Um, we did have our student of the month, Randall Batty, um, in welding from Canon M. Um, it it was a really good, um, it was a really good experience for him. He actually met with two other western area students with Governor Wolf regarding the CTC programs in Pennsylvania and the funding surrounding by that. Um, >> I'm sorry. Oh my goodness. No, thank you so much. It's getting late. I'm so sorry. Governorship here. Thank you. No,

290I appreciate you saying that, Governor Shapiro. >> Thank you. I'm back a few years in my mind. >> Yeah. Um but anyways, it was a great experience to hear him talk about that experience. he was, you know, quiet and didn't really have much to say, but um he, you know, opened up whenever he was presented an opportunity to and it was really, it was really nice to hear about. Um everything else their their meeting minutes are on the um Western area website and um they're there for your view. There really wasn't anything exciting other than the student of the month is the most exciting for me. So that's all that I have and again I will work better to get those attachments for your view. All right. Pennsylvania Schoolboard Association report. Okay. There's only a

291couple things. There's a webinar on February 23rd at noon and that one is for and this really is a good topic improving wireless connectivity in PA school districts. Um there it's a reminder don't forget to be signing up for your required training and there is a spring legal round up live webinar. It's a long one 12 to 3:30 and that's on March the 20th. there is um a spring meeting that's on the AI and education and it is meeting April 6th and May 8th and you can register for that if you would be interested in that registration has to begin. Um the other thing they're they're giving a letter here from the um the consortium group and it's a weekly thing. It's actually telling you what what all the legal things that they've looked at

292all week. If anybody's interested in doing that, it's just a report. I have copies of it. I would forward them to you if you wanted. I mean, I don't want to bombard you with things you may not want, but um if you're anything that they've looked at like right now it has on there the department education issue with guidance on prayer and religious expression in schools. Um, there is a Idaho teacher who sued over a band classroom with a welcome poster. It's anything illegal. It's just a doc a rolling document and it it is a weekly thing. I don't think I've ever seen it before. It's probably if it's been there, I didn't see it. But this is something that is offered through the consortium of the state school boards association. So, if anybody's interested

293in having that and see what's going on just all over in the state, I I will forward it to you. That's really all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. I think we are on items for discussion. >> I'm so sorry. Comment. >> No, I do. Madam President Chrissy Florian, East Finley Township. >> All right, everyone. Chrissy Florian, East Finley Township. Um, I think that um, Dr. Stroberg, it would be a great idea to consider certain staff members to randomly check in on classes and their proceedings. Um, there's a student that comes and lays on a desk beside the teacher's desk and talks and flirts with the teacher and uh she's not even from that actual class. um teachers not grading work in a timely manner. I wanted to mention this because I

294wanted you to know that this isn't an isolated issue for just uh Miss Walker. I have not talked to her regarding this, but I put money on it that it's the same teacher. Also, teachers should be teaching. That's what they're hired for, right? Not just giving assignments and sitting at their desk on a computer. I have mentioned this in the past. It still continues with the same teacher. Why are we no longer getting paper copies of the progress reports and report cards? Who made that decision? And can we go back to paper copies, please? Um, also if I were a teacher that is teaching on their feet most of the day, which I know a lot of these teachers do and they work very hard at what they do and do a good job, but

295if I was one of those teachers and I had found out that this is going on with uh even one teacher in the building, I would be furious. So I think that needs handled and dealt with accordingly. Um, where am I at? Oh, I called the school four weeks ago about a bullying issue and um the call went to voicemail and I left a brief message. I never received a call back. You have a major bullying issue as we've discussed many times in this district. In my case, and from what I have heard from another parent, um you have students in higher grades bullying younger students in lower grades. I would encourage staff to be more vigilant when it comes to this. I am not happy that my call seems to have gotten misplaced. Um,

296the situation still persists each week since, but it hasn't gotten physical, and my daughter tries not to escalate the situation. Um, for Vote, what sense does it make running two buses to VOTE with five students um, combined on them? So, I'm talking three students on one and two students on the other. Please explain to me why we are doing that and that makes absolutely no sense. Um, what is going on with F-13? One call came in regarding it and now I'm supposed to just be okay with the bus being 15 minutes later picking up and dropping off children. I'm hearing that it is two buses now combined. Why do we not have the other bus operating? Um, also I think that a few of you really like to hear yourselves talk and you talk a

297heck of a lot and cause turmoil over and over again. The public sees this by the way. Um, some of you should be embarrassed on how you conduct yourselves in these meetings. Um, another thing, some feedback from a student. Uh, you have students going elsewhere to exercise. Due to the way the workout room is designed, it has become too difficult to exercise for some in the cramped spaces. And of course, I'm always going to advocate for this because co ruined it for every school. But can we get these computers like out of these kids' faces and actually start teaching and they shouldn't be glued to these computers? I mean, I know that's a pipe dream it seems, but we don't always have to follow what everyone else does. And I think that CO pretty much

298has ruined these kids. So, and the whole thing with the remote learning days, I mean, I understand not wanting to have to miss school and and extend the school year, that really sucks. But I think that it's just gotten out of hand. Completely out of hand. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Vicky Jordan, Buffalo Township, Vicky Jordan, Buffalo Township. I'm really at a loss for words tonight. I really am. A simple resolution to cooperate and you couldn't sign it. It's sad. Uh kind of offkilter what I wanted to do tonight, but I do want to talk about the personnel committee that was put together in December. We spent money advertising for it. You held one meeting which I attended and decided without a vote, might I say, that it should not be public because you

299would be discussing details about candidates that are confidential. I didn't disagree and even stated at that meeting I was confused why taxpayers money was even spent to advertise for it that way. Following that first meeting, someone immediately changed it on the website prior to any public conversation or a vote. My point bringing this all up is that at last the last meeting there was very much open conversation in this room that was personnel. So if you're going to do it in this room, why not leave it public? Because clearly there's those of you who don't appreciate the value that that information was confidential and should have remained that way. It saddens me, but I can't fix you guys. You got to fix yourself. And if you don't learn how to cooperate, and if you guys

300really don't think that the community and others are looking at what's going on here as sad and disgraceful, you're kidding yourself because the talk goes on all the time. And I know most of you have heard it. And those who say they haven't, I don't think you're being honest. I want to say briefly, I spoke at the previous meeting about the safety of our students, which these are the things we should really be concentrating on. And since then, I've shared nine additional sexual predators in close proximity to our school. I've sent them to Mr. Wise and the entire board. I've had three replies, none from the admin team. When I first started receiving the Megan list alerts, I immediately went to Dr. Oberg and his response was there's nothing they can do at the middle

301school high school to change our dismissal procedures. I'll let the public decide if that's an acceptable answer. I had a brief conversation with chief and his approach was we need more money for additional officers and you don't want your taxes raised. I asked if I could attend the safety committee meetings and be allowed to speak openly and share thoughts and he said yes. I asked where those meetings were advertised. He said on the website. I've yet to be able to find those. Mr. Weise did make one suggestion which was made in passing and we were not able to discuss it in any detail. Other than that I haven't heard from Mr. Weise. On the surface that se that suggestion wouldn't resolve the serious safety issues we face. I'm going to say this again and we'll

302repeat it ad nauseium until there is meaningful conversation and resolution to this issue. Students should not be released without knowing who they are leaving with, especially children as young as 11. I will continue to share the Megan list information and I won't finish the end of this, but what I will say is I had a parent contact me tonight. She picked up her child from the middle school, first time ever there, and was not IDed. Nobody in that office cares who she was. They just let her take the child out the door. And the excuse was, "You signed her out on the computer. Mom, you we don't need to see ID." Cuz mom wanted to show her ID and was denied. We have serious safety issues in this district. Quit fighting. Let's fix things. Just

303because we've always done it a certain way doesn't mean we have to do it. Continue to do it. We can do better. We should do better. And it's time that we live up to it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> My name is Megan Graham. I'm from Donville Township. Buckle up. I'm going to echo what she said on sad and disgraceful. And beyond that, this was embarrassing. I literally left my house to come here to tell you all how embarrassing it is that you act this way. You are here to serve the community. I would like to remind you that this was an elected position and you're here to serve these children, these kids, not act like them. This might be the highest title some of you have ever held in your entire lives, but

304allow me to remind you that you are here to serve, not stroke your egos. You're supposed to be adults. I'd like to say that people do not want AI. It's hard bottom line. Not up for negotiation. Not a well, this is the way that society is going. No, don't care. That's a society I don't want to be a part of. That's a society this community doesn't want to be a part of. That's a society that the silent majority, and I'm going to stress that, the silent majority, because that's a real life thing. There are people that have jobs and lives and children to tend to that can't make it to these meetings to voice their opinions. I go out of my way clearly to get here to voice mine and I'm going to voice it

305for that silent majority. Social media went insane today when you all put up your little committee that you want recommendations for AI to the point that you had to shut off the comments because it was so ugly. We don't want it. We don't want it. Do you know what I want? A library. >> I want a library. I want a librarian. >> I don't want more computers. I don't want more screen time. I don't want AI at all. At all. It will be the downfall of society. I don't want it. I want a library. I want a library. And I don't want 500,000 mfing dollars invested in a space. I want a library. I want books. I want something my kid can poke up. Pick up. I don't want Well, that book was banned. Nope.

306Don't care. What happened to freedom? I want books. I want a library. I want a librarian. That is a safe space to increase taxes because you can't realistically manage a budget and make realistic decisions. I'm going to challenge you with something. All of you, every single one of you, make it mandatory that your senior class has to sit in on one of these meetings before they can graduate. Would you act the same way? There's something called the guest theory. When you're parenting, which can be difficult at times, there's something called the guest theory. Treat your husband, your spouse, your wife, your whatever your children as if they are a guest in your home. How would you act? If your senior class sat here right now, would you have acted the same way that you all

307did this evening? Would you do that moving forward? I don't think so. Would you be proud of yourselves? Again, I'd like to stress to remember that you were elected and you are being watched more and more and more parents are paying attention. This is a testament to it. This might not be a large group, but there are more people coming. And I'm loud. I am loud. I will be loud and I'll continue to be loud until you cannot ignore me. I will fill this room. I will fill multiple rooms. You'll have to move this to the gym. I won't be ignored. The silent majority won't be ignored. I don't have as big of an issue with the FID days or snow days, but I am blessed and fortunate in the decisions I've made in my

308life to have the career that I do that allows me to be home with my children for the majority of the time. Not everybody has that and I understand it. But I will voice that I think that safety is the utmost importance and you make whatever decisions you have to make. All I think is please make them in a timely manner so that those who can't are able to make child care arrangements. Um I think that echoes from the last month's meeting. Budget-wise, I think that you genuinely need to stop the arguing, stop the fighting. If you can't if you couldn't even pass a resolution earlier that was on something that was literally videos if you had to go back and check it. How do you expect to pass a budget? And if you can't

309go through a budget, this goes to the whole I think that there should be um home economics taught in school still. If you can't all collectively pass a budget, how do you teach students to do it? How do they learn how to balance checkbooks? Do you do we teach taxes? How do you apply for a mortgage? Can you afford a mortgage? These are all questions that I have and I just can't stress enough that to take children away from a vote education or limit the experience of a votech education that they have because you need to trim this out on a budget so that you can put in a $500,000 safe space but get rid of a library. Get out of here. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. That's all madam president. >>

310Thank you chief. >> All right. Now we are moving on to items for discussion. Mr. Leer, I know you mentioned having questions earlier. Did you still have them? You want to discuss them? Okay. All right. Thank you. I do have some things that I would also rather wait till next month. It would be very late. So, >> not not >> for me. That's just me and it may not. So, speaking of the bond and the capital project list, I reached out to Dr. Oberg about Mr. McKe giving us a tour. um just so that we can see for ourselves firsthand what he his recommendations are, get some ideas about and just keep for our own eyes. Um so he threw out some dates and I just wanted to see so Monday, February 23rd, Tuesday, February

31124th, or Thursday, February 26. So next week, anybody have >> Dr. sent them out? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I think we were just trying to get a general consensus for a day rather than >> general consensus for one day. >> I think we should have everybody just >> because I feel that it's really important for us to put some eyes on things and I think it'll help with some understanding. >> He is first time through just wanting to do it up here. So, high school, middle school. >> Yeah. And then, you know, progressively go Joe Walker Clayville Clayville. >> Did he have a time? >> So, he's flexible. >> Okay. >> Um he thought it would take about two hours. >> Well, we've done this before. We we started I believe at like 5.

312>> Okay. >> Um around there. >> I think it should be four o'clock, but again, I know 4:30. I'm just thinking because outdoors we're going to lose light >> this evening. outside. So maybe 4:30. Could we meet in the middle? >> I would be out for the 25th. That's actually our next western area meeting. >> Was that a date? I thought it was 23rd, 24th, and 25th. >> Thursday. >> Sorry. I thought I heard 25th. I'm sorry. >> I thought she said 23rd, 24th, 26th. >> 23rd, 24th. Okay, never mind. Then Thursday the 26th. Monday or Tuesday. >> And you want it 4:30ish that you're looking for? >> Yeah. >> Tuesday. I just I might have to leave Tuesday or 4:30. >> Tuesday. I I will be honest with you. I just got I had

313a knee surgery. There's a lot of walking involved. I don't know. I I was on the last tour that we did of all the facilities. I don't want you to make a date based on my I don't know that I'm going to be able physically able to walk that much. Tuesday Mr. G. >> Tuesday. >> Okay. Monday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll tenatively go with Tuesday, February 24th at 4:30. >> Let me and I will double check the key tomorrow. >> Okay. Awesome. Thanks, guys. I just figured since we have everybody in Friday, so I'll let you know. I get lots of email. >> Okay, that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. I um need a first and second amendment first. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> There's an error

314on the >> Yeah. >> On the recommended action >> on our adjournment. It says reorganization board meeting. >> So, well, I could make a motion to amend the motion to adjust the regular meeting for February 19th, 2026. >> Yeah. >> But now we have to actually vote on the amend. We have to vote on whether we want to amend and then we have to vote on the amendment. Correct. Okay. >> All right. So, we have a first and a second. All those in favor in amending the motion. I I >> Okay, >> we're all getting >> I know. >> Okay, >> all right. >> We are jouring at 11:10 p.m. Thank you. We'll be safe getting >> you. That's right. That'll go a long way. >> I got to get >> I got to be

315turkey for six o'clock to get kids on. I get my little great nieces on. Yeah.