001Just waiting for confirmation that we're live. I think we are, but just one moment. We're live. >> Okay. Thank you. Good evening everyone. I'd like to welcome you to the September facilities and operations committee meeting. And we'll start with our pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. So, first we will uh I'll ask for a motion to approve the minute the meeting minutes from August 25th facilities and operations committee meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. First and second. Any comments or questions? Okay. Hearing none. All in favor say I. Please. >> I. >> No opposed. Motion passes. Thank you. Dr. Bower, can we I kind
002of went out of order. Could we please introduce our student representatives this evening? >> I would be thrilled to do that. President Mc Merry, we have two students joining us this evening as part of a new and enhanced process this year for picking our board reps. Uh so it gives me great pleasure to introduce Casey Kim and Arjie McCartney. Uh Casey, if you would like to start, just unmute your mic, tell us a little bit about yourself, what grade you're in, and maybe some clubs or activities you're involved in at North Penn High School. That would be awesome. >> Thank you, Dr. Bower. Uh yeah, my name is Casey Kim. I'm a junior at North Penn High School. Um I am president of Molly United Nations at North Penn and I also do work with
003HOSA, which is Healthcare Occupation Students of America. And outside of school, I run my own nonprofit for skin advocacy. Thank you, Casey. >> Wonderful. And Audrey, take it away. >> Hello, I'm Audrey McCartney and I I'm in 11th grade and I'm a member of the Knack Club in school and then outside of school I enjoy doing dance and then I also enjoy playing clarinet. Thank you. >> Great. Well, thank you Casey and Audrey for being here. uh ba both great advocates and ambassadors for our student body at North Penn High School. We look forward to your contributions to the committee and as I'm sure you will hear from these board directors. Uh feel free to raise your hand and ask questions at any time. >> Thank you Dr. Ber and welcome again. Uh we're happy
004to have you and as Dr. Bower said, we welcome your questions, your insight. Uh so please, this is a really exciting time to be on this committee. So, your input is always welcomed. Okay, with that, Mr. Slaughter, I will turn this over to you for the items that are recommended for work session or action. Thank you. >> Thank you, President Mc Merry. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our student reps. It's nice to have you on board with us. The first item that we are seeking to recommend to for board approval is the Penfield Middle School modular classroom project. We are submitting uh for three units to be replaced. This will be over a series of years. Uh as we work our way through the modular classrooms, the low bid was Mo Mechanical in the
005amount of $164,000. We had two other biders, Southland Industries and Johnson Controls, who uh could not meet the time frame, so they sent a no bid uh contest in. >> Okay. May I please have a motion to approve? >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. First and second. Um Mr. Slaughter, does any Oh, sorry. Does anyone have any comments or questions? Please. >> I do. Please go ahead. >> So this is for threemon jeweler units at Penfield. I believe there's 22 mods at Penfield. >> Is that correct? >> Yes, that's corre uh it's either 21 or 22. Yes. So we'll be replacing them over a series of years. These are three that are in uh some state of disrepair. >> So they rose to the top as doing them first. Are all the air conditioning units
006at Penfield Mods are they were they all in put in the same time? Are they all the same age? Um or has some >> So So they are >> they are all the same age. >> And what age would that be? >> Do you original to the mods? I don't know the number of years off the top of my head. >> It's probably a good 20ome years though. I would think not more. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> From the 90s. Yes. >> Thank you. So 30 almost. Okay. Thank you. All righty. Any other comments or questions? >> Mr. Slaughter, can you just explain the no bid? So, there was a group, there was somebody who was interested. Do we know why? >> Yeah. Can you tell us? >> Certainly. So, so Johnson Controls has done
007a lot of work for the district over the years. Uh, they were a bidder in this project. However, with their current workload, they could not meet the time frame that we placed into the bid in order to complete the work. So their their workload right now pro prohibited them from uh bidding the project. >> Okay. Thank you for that. >> Mr. Slaughter, one more question then please. Can you explain the difference between the two bids? It's substantial like by about 100,000. >> So MCO Mechanical uh is a local contractor. They are a non-union contractor. They visited the site. Um, Southland Industries is from quite a bit further away. They're out in the um I believe they're out by King of Prussia and they are a union shop. So there is some differential in between the
008union wage and what prevailing wage is. Uh so I think that worked to Mic's advantage. They're literally 10 minutes from Penfield Middle School, their office. So they have a much shorter commute time, much less wasted time, and they were pretty diligent about going through the work scope. >> Okay, thank you for that. Are there any other comments or questions? Okay, hearing none, all in favor say I. >> I. >> There are no opposed. The motion passes. Thank you, Mr. Slaughter. >> Thank you, President McMerry. The uh next item that we have up is the board approval, seeking board approval for the asbestous and hazardous materials monitoring bid. This will be part of an oversight contractor for the uh ACM removal as part of the high school project. Uh we had put that out to oh
009nine biders I believe. The low bidder for that project was Tetrate Tech. Uh we did follow up with them, made sure that their they quantified their bid, that they were uh did include everything in their in their bid proposal and they confirmed that. We did also check their references. Uh so we're recommending the award of Tetrate Tech in the amount of $122,814. >> Okay. Thank you. May I please have a motion? >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Did I hear Mrs. Stole? Yes. Second, sir. >> Okay. Thanks. Any comments or questions? Okay. I I did ask questions in preparation. I do want to say that Mr. Slaughter and his team did a rigorous review for this one because this is the one Mr. Slaughter that spans the entire let's say scope of the project for
010the next five years. Is that the is this correct? >> That is correct. This is for bid packages two and bid package three. >> Bid package three has not been bid yet, but we included the hours in this proposal, so they will be locked in for the next five years. >> All righty. Like it. All right. Um, any other comments or questions? >> Um, I just Yeah, there is quite a bit of a variance between the bids, between the base quotes. Is that the same reasoning as the what we discussed with the prior? >> No. U this this isn't the same reasoning for the diff the for the differential, but uh we did quantify with them the amount of hours. We made sure that they had everything covered that we outlined in the in the
011RFP. Uh they did come back and confirm that they did have everything covered. Um this is a professional service. So uh they are not obliged to prevailing wage um which could explain some of the differential in the numbers but uh the companies we've worked with before in the past uh you know uh had had a higher number but we did quantify that they had everything and that that they they re-quantified their numbers. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Well it's certainly a responsible bid and you did your due diligence so it's awesome. glad they want to work here for that cost. Um any other comments or questions? >> I just wanted to just to add to that um on the the rate. So the contractors provide a daily rate. So the main difference is is that
012their daily rate was just much less than the other biders. So that's why their number came in lower. You know, they have multiple offices um and they're local in Blue Bell. So, um, their rate compared to the others is just less. >> Thank you, Mr. Linsky. >> Mhm. >> Thank you, Mr. Linsky. >> Okay. Um, any other comments or questions? Okay. Hearing none, all in favor say I. >> I. >> There are no opposed. Motion passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. The next item up for bid is the uh bid package one, GC proposed change order number one. in the amount of $212,9604. This will be a Z change order. This will not increase the contract to the general contractor, nor will it increase the budget for the project. We will be using allowances to
013pay for this work. Uh we have a line item listed of uh work scope here. Uh so it's everything from tree removal. There are several rock uh areas that we encountered. Uh some additional ballards and gates, uh wet bed tile installation in the pool area as well as an additional pipe chase and some dedducting utility scope for some changes we made in the field as well as there was an additional tank liquid removal. So we had set a certain amount of liquid removal last year when we put the bid specifications together. However, we encountered more liquid than what was in the tanks last year based upon water infiltration and some leaking into the brine quantities. >> Okay. May I please have a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Any comments or questions? >>
014I would just like to say again, thank you both to Mr. Slaughter and President McRee especially going over these change orders. I know you guys go through them with a fine tooth comb and um I really appreciate the diligence and and making sure that these are um legitimate requests. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Any other com? >> Uh okay. I I understand all of it, Mr. Slaughter and I understand that there is money in the budget for allowances and this allows us to have a zero change order. Um, and just from your I guess professional experience for a project that has this length duration and complexity and phasing. um your your how do you feel about the amounts that we're seeing at this point in the project? >> So, a lot of the
015dollars that are involved in this change order are based upon uh conditions in the exterior of the building. We have completed all the exterior work in bid package one. So, the risk around the outside of the building has diminished substantially. Uh, and we are pretty far along in bid package one's scope. I don't anticipate seeing a whole lot more as far as change orders go other than unforeseen conditions that we may uncover as we work through. So I I believe this is the the higher percentage bulk of things in bid pack one. >> Awesome. So the planning that went into this um facilitates us to be confident at this point that we are staying on budget. In fact below under budget is that fair to say a bit. >> We were slightly under budget in
016bid pack one when we moved uh that money into the budget for bid pack 2. >> Awesome. Awesome. >> So we still have a substantial amount of allowance money remaining as well as contingency in the project. >> Thank you Mr. slaughter. Any other comments or questions? All right, hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> There are no opposed. Motion passes. Thank you, Mr. Slaughter. >> Thank you. Moving on to item D. Uh, this is an additional change order. This is to the plumbing contractor and this was for a change to in the CPVC acid waste piping in the high school. We were unable to get the threaded pipe in the time allotted for the project. Uh however glue joint material was readily available. So in order to keep the project on pace
017we accepted the acid acid waste piping with the glued fittings. Uh that resulted in a credit of $134,855.94. That will be a deduct change order issued to the contract of the plumbing contractor. That money will come back into the project. >> Okay. May I please have a motion? >> Second. >> We heard both. Any comments or questions? >> So So Mr. Slaughter, I know we did speak about this and you know a change order in this case is a credit back to us. Um I really would appreciate if you would explain um the fact that the original specification required threaded pipe and now we will move to this type of pipe with glue in order to you know as you already said I won't repeat what you said but to keep the project on schedule
018but can you please speak to the analysis that was done to determine that this was um a let's say a technically sound way to go and we should not anticipate any failures of this pipe um due to any type of chemicals um you know traversing through these pipes please. >> Certainly. So f first of all we we confirmed that the threaded pipe fitting was a long lead item and that it it would not work with the timeline of the schedule of the project. Uh once we confirmed that, we then met with the curriculum department for the science and chemistry and confirmed what type of chemicals they typically use. And all those chemicals were not anything that would disrupt the glue fittings of the joints uh of the of the piping. So we therefore move forward
019with uh this request for a deduct change order and the installation of the glued fitting acid waste piping in lie of the threaded piping. Okay, thank you. One one more question. Um, and not for now but for later. Um, are there any other applications that we were specifying the threaded pipe um in other in other phases that we might want to go back and review to determine whether or not the this other pipe and glue would be applicable in order not to compromise performance but to help reduce cost. >> Yes. So there is uh additional science classrooms in uh CPOD which is part of bidpack 2. Uh once we experience this issue we changed the specs prior to going out to bid. So uh >> the specifications for bid pack 2 for the cpod science
020classrooms do include the uh CPVC acid uh glue fittings in lie of the threaded fittings. >> Okay. So you already took care of it. All right. Great. Thank you. Appreciate that. >> Certainly. >> All righty. Uh any other comments or questions? Okay, hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> There are no opposed. Motion passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. The last item we have uh for recommended for work session is the uh approval for the proposal from Gordian Group and SJ Thomas for the pre-fabricated transportation building. Uh as you know, Mr. Schneider had indicated very early on in the project that we were going to use uh the uh Gordian Group to purchase this building as it is a delegated design building uh being that it's a steel uh structure. Uh so
021we went out and got pricing for this uh and this came in at 9,428,523 and we're recommending approval of this building with the Gordian Group. >> Okay. Okay. May I please have a motion? >> So moved. Second. >> Thank you both. Um any comments or questions? >> Okay, hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> There are no opposed. Motion passes. Thanks, Mr. Slaughter. >> Thank you. Uh we now move on toformational items. Uh the next item up would be the construction video by uh Miss Fish and Mr. Gilmer. >> Yay. >> So, if you wouldn't mind the >> And you stop sharing your screen, Mr. Ryan. >> Thank you. >> Uh give me one second here. We move into fall. Phase one of the North Penn High School renovation project continues to
022make strong progress. Let's take a look at the September 2025 milestones in an auditorium ceiling and wall paint. Did we lose the audio? station valves on the third floor of Cape Cod and roughins for water fountains in the natitorium. Electrical teams installed new panels in the basement pool equipment room and first floor storage area while adding outlets and lighting in classrooms and corridors. A brief shutdown on September 23rd allowed tie-ins for the new generator and switchboard. Mechanical crews installed new duct work and hot water pipes in third floor classrooms, removed the old Cape Cod air handler, and received rooftop units for the natiatorum. Looking ahead, work includes continue painting, tiling, roofing, interior finishes, and masonry restoration. In early October, we will see the installation of the new pool packs and rooftop units. By the end
023of October, both thirdf flooror Kod and the natiatorum will begin to look like it will when they are due to open after Thanksgiving this fall. Thank you for following along as North Penn renovation project stays on schedule, bringing us closer to a renewed and revitalized North Penn High School. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Thank you everyone. Uh next up is uh item 4B which is the update for phase one and phase two a schedule and a sustainability update by CHA and Mr. Jamie Lynch and Mr. Bill Hamley. Mr. Lynch. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Slaughter. Good evening, everyone. For the September FNO, um I'll run through this because we have a good number of slides here. I'm not sure I can do the great radio voice of Mr. Gilmer when I do it. So, a
024I apologize for that. But, uh if you slide to the next slide, I don't know who's driving. Um quick update on recent activity for approvals on the project. Uh we had received uh preliminary land development for the project in October uh of 2024. Much has happened since then including the planning commission granting final approval in September and then we were at the board of supervisors just last week who provided their final approval for land development for the project which is quite a milestone. uh a lot of hard work went into this by everybody on the project team, the design team, the district team, all of the consultants and so uh really good reason for uh celebration. The other component of the approval process is the NPDS permit. We received another round of comments from the
025conservation district in uh September. a resubmission has been sent uh to the conservation district and the next uh action should be the receipt of permit. So with these two items uh in the rearview mirror uh in the uh not too distant future while we've given notice to proceed to the contractors when these two items are completely done and agreements done and recorded at Montgomery County we can actually start construction work on bid package 2. Next, there's been a Pendot meeting um with respect to plans for Sumntown widening. Uh a meeting uh with the county was uh very helpful. It's not anticipated that there'd be widening on Sumntown. So, that ties into the land development approval um and uh satisfies the questions that were raised by the township. We've also been been working on Snyder Road
026pedestrian crossings and also Subnney Town pedestrian crossings for uh school zones. There will be a crossing still at Snyder Road as there is now. Uh a meeting has been uh completed with PennDOT who approved retaining the existing flasher locations with some added signage. So that's another box checked in the approval process. There will be a pedestrian crossing as mentioned at Sumntown, excuse me. The township is requiring the crossing uh pending all permits being reviewed and also the location being finally determined. We've also recently completed another meeting for AM radio tower design. We've got a design uh consultant in place to design the foundation and the standalone tower. This would be a project that is uh bid in 2026. So, it's good to have that one rolling. Uh in bid package one, as you heard Mr.
027Gilmer say, field work is uh continuing. Um great success on the summer work, including the utilities, the relocation of the propane fueling station and and other work which was critical for the summer. Uh and now we're looking down uh at the natiatorum and thirdf flooror kod um schedule milestones which are on track right now for end of November. Uh you heard this evening the transportation building pricing came in. We held a meeting today for descoping with SJ Thomas. Uh went through a number of items so that we can go back and forth and be uh all on board for the October workshop meeting. phase two docu phase two bid documents. Um, currently the design development set has been uh sent to us and we're putting um, excuse me, I was thinking about phase three. Let
028me do phase two first. Bids were received. As you know, tomorrow is the preconstruction meeting for bid package two. The notice to proceed has been issued for shop drawings and shop drawings are going back and forth. And as I mentioned, the plan 9:15 start of fieldwork is going to be delayed because of the NPDS and land development approvals. And essentially, we just move all of the dates that are in the schedule by the same number of dates until we can authorize the site work to begin. As far as bid package three for the auditorium, JPOT, and the gym, design development documents are in our hands for another round of pricing and for constructibility review. Um, and so we'll be working on that over the next several weeks. We'll report back to you where we stand
029on cost and also trying to clean up comments in those documents. But our schedule, it's pretty simple at this point on bid package one. All our work is underway. Um, the next milestone is at the end of November for the natiatorum and the third floor. And then we've got the two other floors uh that are identified here for completion. Next slide is bid package two. Notice to proceed issued. Shop drawings are rolling. Waiting for a commencement date of actual work. And you see the completion dates for A pod, B pod, C pod, D pod there. Bid package three schedule. As we finish those bid documents and end user meetings and all of the design, we'd anticipate to be out to bid in the first quarter of 2027. Completion dates there tie into the end of
030bid package 2. Uh we can't work on uh FP pod renovation and addition until we're finished with the de pod. So that's the uh connector with respect to schedule there. And bid package four rounds out the site work where we'll need a minor mod of the permit we're about to get for NPDS in order to do storm water replacement in the front lot, sight lighting and probably full depth paving over much of that lot at that point in time and also driveways uh to and from the uh school. Um, and that was set up strategically so that we could accelerate getting the permit for the rest of the work and then modify as necessary for the last phase out there in 2030. Our dashboard is included here. It identifies where we are in phase one
031and the percent completes on all of those activities. It's nice to see a couple of 100%s up on the board um for us. And so we're in the middle of the third pod uh third floor kod renovation and um schedule seems to be moving along very well. At the bottom half of this screen is your information on paidtoate and change order information and I'll get all of that updated based on the actions that were identified by Mr. Slaughter at the beginning of uh this meeting tonight. And also the pie charts for requests for information and submitts seems to be going very well. design team's been responsive. Things are moving back and forth um uh very rapidly and uh you have a very good team. You have a very good team in place. No safety items
032to report um this evening. There have been no incidents on the job at this point. continued emphasis on contractor badging program and certainly as we bring more people onto the site making sure that they are aware of all of the rules and regulations I'm working on a operating school site. So that'll be stressed in tomorrow's preconstruction meeting with our four new prime contractors for bid package 2. Budget update remains uh the same. I'll provide uh an update next month based on the awarded transportation building uh contract phase two phase three um and as cost information on the design development documents for bid package 3 comes together that will really round out the building renovation uh component of the project. So, so far so good and as we mentioned in phase one, a good amount of
033contingency um actually remains in that budget and allowance that we would transfer as directed into other phases of the work. I think that is the last slide on phase one. Um I don't know if you want me to stop for any questions or jump right into sustainability. >> How about we stop there? I see Mrs. I have a couple questions and Mrs. Stole has her hand raised. >> Yes, thank you. Um, so slide number three, I think it was, uh, saystown Pike is not being widened. Do we know why? Um, and I'm ask because, you know, everybody knows Freddy Hills is being sold and, um, I think there's going to be development there. I I only have half pay attention since I don't live in Tmenson. I live in Montgomery Township, but I think there's
034either 142 homes or 300 homes being proposed for Freddy Hills site. So, does the state I assume it depend they said why or why not about widening the road? Will it be later depending on what Freddy Hill development is? >> Maybe I'll go first and Mr. Schlaughter would have um something to add. The the reason that we had to go to PennDOT has to do with the township requirement for curb and sidewalk on Sumntown. And so the question was, would you put curb in now only to find out that Sumntown was going to be widened later? And there are also some ancillary issues along Sumntown on the school district's frontage. You know, you have a a regulated storm water structure that's there. there's a good amount of topography that's there and then there's also the
035way the existing storm water is managed. So the township asked us to go to PennDOT and confirm what they thought about Sumntown and the and the very um straightforward answer from PennDOT was we don't have any plans to widen Sumntown now but in the future we might. That's absolutely >> no sense no sense in putting the cost to curb on Sumntown now if it's going to be widened in the future. And the other thing is the storm water that runs off of Sumntown goes into the swailes on either side of the road and ultimately into the storm water management. Putting curbs in would also create the expense of additional storm water under Sumntown. So quite an expense and without any kind of clear definition, excuse me, from the county. Um everything is going to be
036left as is for now. The only other the only other things I would add to that is uh you know while Penthot was consulted for work on on Sunny Town Pike that is actually uh under the jurisdiction of Montgomery County Roads and Bridges and they directed us that in their 10-year plan they have no plans to widen Somntown at this point. uh nor nor do they have anything planned for the bridge uh at our at our property border at the east southeast corner. Um so we got feedback from both PennDOT and Montgomery County Roads and Bridges uh that we didn't need curbing. They're not adding storm water and they have no plans currently to widen the road. >> That's interesting considering what's probably going to be coming there. So, but all right. Thank you. >>
037Anyone else on the committee have a question? >> Really quickly to follow up on that. So, that means because there's no change within that 10-year period, it is we'll we'll move forward with the curbing and then if there are ch we will not move forward with the curbing. >> No, we're not moving forward with the curbing. They told us >> that there was no curbing along all of Sntown Pike. That's what I thought >> in their plan. So, we would not be required to do it. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much for that clarification. >> Okay. Um, so I Mr. Lynch, I have two questions. One is kind of I think really simple. So, with the new phase 2 starting, more contractors on site, where do the contractors park and will there be enough
038parking? um based upon the resources, the folks um the number you know increasing on site. >> Great. Thank you. The the short answer to that is we've created a contractor staging area on the radio site. >> So all of the contractor offices will be up there. Um there'll be a field that's as large as an athletic field that's covered with stone for parking. And there's also a parking lot in the site plan as a part of bid package 2 that gets constructed on the radio site. So, um, yes, parking is at a premium. Parking will always be at a premium on this site, I think. Um, but we'll be moving our contractors and their activities up to that radio site. Okay. So, I was only going to ask two questions, but that's really far away
039from where the actual work is taking place. So is have have you all determined how to make it more efficient in terms of materials being put where they need to be the day before or there any is there any type of I don't know like carts or whatever to take people back and forth because that's a lot of time walking back and forth. Well, the one way to think about it is there really is not a lot of work going on. And you may laugh about that, but each phase is a very small project. For instance, when you do the add edition on APOD, all it is is a 40,000 ft addition and everyone is in one place and the distance is not that far. The contractors are absolutely used to being able to have
040a staging area that's a little further away. All of the materials get that get delivered right to that location. We've got fencing around it already. And so they've got their offices and their cars that are parked further away. And then they're simply walking down and completing the work whether they use a buggy or a golf cart or they have a van to bring a uh folks over. But this is not a job that has hundreds of people on it. You know, at any one point in any one pod, if there are 50 people on the job site, it may be a lot. >> Okay, that's fair. Just want to make sure everybody's moving. Um then my last question is regarding the one of the slides said that um because the work could not start on
041915 due to us not having the NPDES permit. What if any impact is that to let's say well it's obviously an impact to the schedule. What about any cost or ability to keep uh certain contractors workers available and ready to go? I mean, do we lose anyone because we don't we might be a month late now. >> So, the contract contains the stipulation that when this happened, if this was to happen, that in the contract, all the dates would be moved by the same number of days of delay. So that keeps the contractors engaged. Miss Mc Merry, um I don't see that we're missing anyone. We've coordinated with everybody, especially the site work contractor for phase one because that has to do with cutting down trees and adjusting grades and establishing the staging area. What
042we're just hoping and with Mr. Slaughter and the team's help. The township has also been on board in order to try to expedite the uh contracts for land development so we can get them recorded and move as quickly as possible. So I think the township has been wonderfully cooperative. It's the NPDS permit that we need. So the moment we get that, we jump into action and people move. This is a very common occurrence on projects of this size. understand they're they're they're used to it and I and I know our general contractor and their site work contractor are ready to roll uh as soon as we get the paperwork across the line. >> But the other thing right now is there is submission response due back October 2nd. So being contrary Kathy, why couldn't that
043submission go out today? Why does it have to wait two more days or three more days? >> Uh I believe I just have to confirm Mr. slaughter that it's actually already been made the >> discussions of it going in Friday or Monday. Um, and I believe they were able to cut a check on Friday. So, I believe the submission may have been made Friday. I haven't had a chance to follow up with TNM Associates to get that in there. >> We'll check and get back to you on that. Yeah, I mean I saw the date of October 2nd and I know that nothing can happen until we you all have that permit in hand. So I'm seeing that the submission or pardon me the additional information was requested I don't know September 17th but we're
044not going to provide it till October 2nd. So my head's going why not? >> Uh the discussion last week at at our regular meeting was as soon as possible. So, we'll we'll confirm for you and get that information back to you if you don't mind. >> Thank you. >> Any other comments or questions? I'm sorry. >> All right. Thanks, Mr. Lynch. >> Uh, sustainability. So a couple slides here at uh the board's request to discuss sustainable components in the project. And so with the help of the design team um I've put a couple of slides together that help us understand um where energy conserving or sustainable components exist in the in the design. Um, first we'll start outside with the uh the roof and we're replacing an existing builtup roof with a gypsum deck underneath
045of it with a single ply roof with 6 in of insulation. And that increases the R value, the insulation value of the roof um to 30 from five. So from a thermal barrier standpoint um the roof has been uh greatly enhanced. And of course, you've seen the white color in other places. So rather than black, which absorbs heat, white has a less absorptive surface for heat. So both on R value and reflective value, we're doing good things on the roof. uh also on the exterior wall where we uh replace portions of it. Not all of it gets replaced, but we've got an existing CMU cavity wall with a brick veneer with also an estimated thermal conductivity value that is uh very high. Um here with the um thermal conductivity value, you want a very low
046number. And so inside of classrooms in most cases, we're adding a 6 in stud wall with insulation and that increases the insulation value on exterior walls. So it drops that thermal conductivity value to 0.064. So again another enhancement of the building envelope with the idea of reducing energy costs. Just to add one comment to that, the U value is is is equated by thermal transmittance. So that's what the U stands for. That's the the thermal transmittance value. >> Yep. The reciprocal of R value essentially. Same thing with windows. We're replacing single pane clear glass with double pane insulated glass. And so that value drops um once again. and the solar heat gain coefficient also drops as well. Both good things. And you know also that we're uh removing some of the thin windows and replacing
047them with wider windows. So that provides additional daylighting to the spaces as well. So that provides our sustainable feature inside classrooms with respect to windows. Lighting fixtures is a big one. replacing pendant fluorescent tubes with new LED fixtures. And I think everybody is familiar with the energy savings associated with LED fixtures. And when combined with the lighting controls, um, of which there are none right now, um, we're doing great things for the classroom. So, new occupancy sensors and daylight sensors help with lighting controls and also the light fixtures have dimming capability with occupant controls. So, a lot more control of more energyefficient light fixtures are incorporated throughout the the renovation as part of the design and HVAC. Um, you're familiar with the radiant ceiling panels that are piped to the central plant and we have
048dual fire uh tube boilers with um uh efficiency about 80%. We'll have new terminal air handling units piped to a central plant, but our condensing fire tube boilers, sorry, double um typo there, have greater efficiency at 95%. From a ventilation standpoint, we have central air um that's really piped to the piped to central units and now we have packaged dedicated outsour outside air units with dehumidification, something that you don't have now. and standalone operation. So much greater control over both heating and cooling across the building. So here's really kind of a classroom energy summary if we look at uh classroom by classroom. And of course we have similar uh types of sustainable features in the rest of the building. But the upgrades are estimated to provide more than a 50% reduction in total energy consumption
049for each classroom. And you see between the windows, the wall insulation, the roof, we've done wonderful things for the building envelope, the LED lighting reduces power density, and the HVAC system. upgrades both with equipment and controls should reduce natural gas consumption and improve overall air quality. So, um, not a lot said and not a lot here to measure, um, occupancy, um, happiness, if you will, but between daylighting and having excellent spaces in which to, uh, learn and and work, um, uh, the design team has really done everything they can in order to improve, uh, the building from an energy consumption standpoint. And of course there's solar. Um this is a slide from uh one of the previous presentations. So we're still on track to have solar on the roof. Um the payback scenario is listed
050here um from the prior presentation. And so that's one of the big things that'll be on the roof as far as sustainable features. Questions on sustainability? Anything else that you would like to hear about or see? We'd be happy to continue to put this together to remind your community of all of the good things that have been thought about associated with the design. >> Mrs. Stole, do you have a question? >> No, I just Well, more of a comment. I want to thank you for including the sustainability portion of this uh presentation. I think of all the student groups that have been involved in um giving feedback on this project, the North Pan Environmental Club has been probably the most active, most vocal. So, I'm really glad that we are um you know having this
051report for them so that they can see the progress that is being made in this um project. And yes, I I would hope that you'll continue to do so every meeting to um update us on the features that have been worked on for the past month or whatever. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> And um with Casey and Audrey and I know Audrey is part of the ACA club and um did work designing the rain garden. I would welcome their input as we move along if they have any comments or questions. or they would like to see any additional um information particularly on this section important part of the project. >> Okay, Mr. Slaughter? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Are we ready to move on to the next item? >>
052We're moving, Mr. Slaughter. >> Okay. I was waiting for student rep input. >> Oh, I'm so I'm sorry. I didn't see >> are Audrey or Casey, do you want to say anything at this point or questions? >> Audrey has her hand up. >> Okay, Audrey, go. >> I can say this is more of a comment, but we're definitely all excited about the solar panels and the new lighting. And I know personally I'm excited to see it. And I've been telling a lot of my friends, I'm like, "Guess what? We're getting solar panels. Awesome. Thank you. >> All right. The next item on our agenda is uh 4C is the 10-year capital plan update. Uh some upcoming projects from the capital list are the districtwide hardware uh which is due out. Hold on a second there,
053Mr. Ryan. My apologies. Uh, the district-wide assembly hardware bids are due on October 2nd. We've just extended that to the 14th based upon a request from multiple contractors. That work is not scheduled to start until next year anyway. Uh, so we felt that we would get more biders than we have. We got two additional contractors that are bidding the work. then showed up at the pre-bid meeting. Uh so we feel good about that and extending that date. Uh we received the modular HVAC bids for Penfield which uh was presented tonight. And then we also have the North Penn High School varsity baseball field residing. Those bids are due tomorrow. So we'll know how those went as well. In addition to that, we updated the 10-year capital plan. Thank you to Mrs. Hower uh and her
054Excel um skills uh helping me with that. Uh can you go to the other sheet there, Mr. Ryan, please? Not the matrix. There you go. So, a little different format. We're back to uh based upon priorities. Uh some of the things that we've changed for this month is we did an evaluation of all the emergency generators in the district. Uh so we added four additional generator repairs to this list uh based and there's all two existing that were already on here. So we now have a total of six emergency generators that are on this list for replacement. Um and we updated some of the cost projections to some of the existing generators. So that's the really the only difference uh to this list than from previous months. Any questions on the 10-year capital plan? >>
055Mr. Slaughter, the the emergency generators, um, how many how many do we have across the district and are they all in some phase or det phase of deterioration? >> Yikes. >> So, we have them at every building except the ESC. Uh, they're all at a different age variant. So what we did is we went back and analyzed the repairs over the last five years >> and uh took comments from the repair the generator repair contractors and applied that to a replacement schedule over the next 10 years and added that to the list. >> Understand? All right. Thanks. >> Any other comments or questions? Oh, sorry. >> No, it's okay. Any questions on the 10-year plan? Okay, seeing none, >> I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Ryan for his uh facilities update for some
056of the work we've accomplished. Mr. Ryan, >> thank you, Mr. Slaughter. Uh yeah, I just uh when uh Mr. SL and I had kind of talked, we wanted to give the the FNO board a little bit of an update of some of the work that we've been doing over the course of the last month or so, as well as some of the items that uh we'll be tackling moving forward. Um so at the end of August, we had our all custodial staff meeting. It was actually a really great success. Um it was great to get everybody together in one pl one place and we received a lot of really positive feedback and a lot of excellent questions from the team. I do want to give a special thank you to the admin team that came
057out uh the board members uh President Mc Merry uh thank you for being there. It actually meant a lot to the team to to have you out there and experience it with them. Uh while we did have to park a few detailed topics, uh Mr. Linsky and I are already working on finalizing those answers uh as well as we'll be sending out dedicated follow-up information and communication to the team with those responses very soon. on one uh on the implementation front uh Mr. Lindsay and I have been collaborating closely with the head custodians and supervisors on the new rolled out modified uh processes. So we are also going to review that those statuses and cha and changes at our quarterly custodial meeting that we're going to be having uh coming up soon. So some creative
058ways so as you you'll see these pictures on the right hand side u Mr. Slaughter was uh well, let me step take a step back. A persistent challenge across the district is securing sufficient space to accommodate our growing student enrollment and expanding support program needs. As the number of students rises, so does demand the demand for programs tailored to their evolving needs. Uh so recently at Gwenor Elementary, which is pictured below, uh prior to the end of the school year, Principal Edwards collaborated with Mr. slaughter to find uh available space. They've identified a portion of the large library that could be repurposed. Our maintenance department successfully completed the renovations over the summer, adding three new classroom spaces. It is worth noting that this uh this additional space is unique to Gwen No Elementary as most
059of our libraries across the district don't have this additional space. U so that is just the exterior. It wasn't easy to get a good picture of the rooms themselves, but that's the exterior of the of the library. New classrooms, it kind of looks like it's always been there. Uh, also at Pen Brook Middle School, which is this upper area, Principal Taylor faced similar challenges, but uh found a unique solution given the continued decrease in student locker utilization. The large locker cubby areas are now underutilized. And so, our facilities team is currently removing these uh existing lockers. We're going to be walling off the space and and turning it into three additional flexible use areas for the school. Uh so these projects kind of demonstrate our commitment to you know finding innovative ways for space management
060in the uh face of continuous uh district growth. So, kind of our shifting into fall. Uh, so Gorcon, uh, Gorcon took over our grass cutting across the, uh, elementary school. And I want to say that so far, uh, our partnership with them has been very successful. We've received a lot of excellent feedback from principles and staff who are very happy with how well the exterior of their buildings are looking. as well as uh Gorcon being a collaborative partner quickly and smoothly accommodating and any schedule changes or challenges needed to support school operations. So if if their time frames for cutting at an elementary school don't align with, you know, whether it's recess or dropup or pick drop off or pickup, they've been very flexible working with us. U also Mr. Slaughter and I for supporting
061of fall sports. Mr. Slaughter and I met with the Mr. Nicholson and the athletic directors last week. Uh, and we were focusing kind of on the big picture, establish establishing long-term goals for our fields and strategically prioritizing maintenance to support our inseason athletic teams. We had an honest discussion about current challenges and found concrete ways we could better support each other. U, I really appreciated the conversations with uh, you know, Mr. Burgerer and the middle school athletic directors. I feel like it's a really good uh, relationship moving forward. Overall, our core objective is is simple. To significantly increase communication between our teams. This is key to making sure every level of our athletic program is supported equally and consistent consistently. Uh and then kind of what we're looking to do in the future with our
062athletic fields. So, uh in the coming weeks, uh Mr. Slaughter and I will be working directly with the grounds team to begin the process of winterizing our athletic fields. primary objective is to safeguard the turf and field structure from severe weather. This preparation ensures the fields remain healthy and ready for play as early as you know as early as possible next spring. We're also taking this opportunity to formalize our efforts using documentation Mr. Slaughter brought from his previous post. We are developing a new and comprehensive annual guideline. This new, you know, best practice document will standardize our winterization process for years to come, maximizing long-term quality and durability of our facilities. And then that would transition into our springtime. So, we're planning for our spring field preparation. Uh, we'll be working directly with the athletic
063director team to guarantee everyone is on the same page and set for season start. core objective is to move our fields past winter dormcancy and quickly establish them as safe, durable, and visually appealing surfaces. Proactive prep is essential for handling the hight traffic volume of our entire spring athletic season. So, any questions? >> Thank you. Any questions from the committee? >> Thank you for that. I'm not hearing any. Um, thank you for that, Mr. Ryan. I have one question or I recall a situation story about and I'm not the expert in this stuff. Um I don't know much about it. Putting covers on blankets on something. >> Mr. Slaughter, help me please. There was a period >> blankets had to go down and do we have that in the schedule? >> Yes. So the the
064first goal is in the fall and the the term putting the fields to bed. So what that means is we're getting all our work done in the fall so that spring sports can start on time. Obviously I think everybody's familiar with the fact that spring sports starts March 1st which is a terrible time of year to try and get anything done. So therefore, all the work needs to take place now so that come March 1st, the touchup is extremely minimal and no matter what the weather conditions, the fields would be playable. So there's multiple covers that we use. We use covers for the infield mix such as home plates and uh the pitching mound. We then also use turf blankets which allow the turf to grow underneath over the wintertime under certain conditions. It doesn't
065work all the time depending on how bad the winter is. Uh but the, you know, while that benefits additional growth time, there are two downsides that you have to be careful of using those turf blankets. One is excessive growth. So if there is a milder winter and we get excessive growth of the grass, we have to remove the tarps, mow the lawn, and then put the tarps back down again so we don't damage the grass. The other risk in doing that is snow mold. If there's a large accumulation of snow, there is a mold that grows in the grass and it it does affect the turf. Uh it would not kill all the grass, but it would certainly restrict the the growth in the spring. So, while there are many benefits to it, there are
066two cautions that we have to watch out for. So we're doing or you're doing new sod right for baseball and softball. >> Does that change up >> just just the infield at varsity baseball? >> Oh, okay. >> The outfield at softball is in good condition. >> Okay, good. and the new side. Does that change your strategy or um philosophy or not philosophy, sorry, your strategy regarding the blankets with new sod? >> Uh it it does. So we need to water the sod heavily. >> And then once it knits, we can then install the blankets. >> But you can't install the blankets. >> So that's where the sod itself, the roots actually bite into the ground. So if you were to grab the side and lift up on it, it would have a lot of resistance.
067>> Thank you. >> The root structure knits. So once that takes place and the temperatures drop to where the blankets are beneficial, excuse me, we would then put the blankets down. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Certainly. Any other questions? Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to uh 4F, which is the student representative update. Audrey and Casey, since you're new, uh I don't imagine you have anything planned, but uh this would be your time for the two of you to uh make any comments you would like. Uh address any questions that you may have or uh feel free to bring up new topics of uh discussion. Casey, I see you have your hand raised. Go ahead and unmute and speak. >> Uh, I just had a question about lockers. Um, are they going to
068get rid of lockers after renovation or are they planning to like add new ones? I was just curious. So, the plan is to add uh some new lockers, but uh you know, since the lockers are very underutilized, those areas are going to turn into benches and uh seating areas for the students to gather at. Some of them will be booths with tables. Uh some of them will be hightops and some of them will be benches, but there will still be lockers for those who choose to use them. >> Okay. Thank you. Mr. Slaughter, can I ask you to go back to um underformational items? E um we didn't discuss that. Just the reminder if you would. >> I do. I sorry I skipped right over. >> No, no, but I I think it's important that
069we reiterate it. Thank you. >> Yeah. So, this is just a a refresh from last meeting. Uh we want to make sure that everybody's aware that there is a time change for this facilities and operations committee. Uh it will start immediately following the safe schools committee going forward uh instead of the 7:00 time frame. So there may be instances where we are starting at 20 after 6 or 6:30 or as in tonight we started a little after our usual time at 7:00. So, uh, please stay tuned that, uh, we will follow the safe schools committee immediately after the adjournment of that meeting. I apologize for missing that. >> No, no, thanks, Mr. Slaughter. You said it much better than I would, that's for sure. Um, okay. Moving along in the agenda. Um, Mrs. Fish, is
070there anyone uh that would like to make public comment this evening? Yes, we do have a hand raised. Yes. >> Okay, I'll I'll state this statement. All righty. Individuals attending this meeting virtually and intending to speak to the committee should be aware that they are being recorded. In order to meet the requirements of Pennsylvania Sunshine Law, it is necessary to record the names of all citizens who speak to the committee during the meeting. To asssure compliance with this requirement, it is essential that those planning to address the committee raise their hand electronically and state their name and municipality. Members of the audience are asked to limit their questions and comments to matters being discussed at tonight's meeting or matters that may come before the facilities and operations committee. Members of the audience are asked to
071limit their questions and comments to three minutes and this is in reference to board policy 903. Okay. Thanks, Mrs. Mrs. Fakish. >> Okay. Um, just Okay. Uh, just for reference because I'm not usually here. Uh, one more. Uh, one more time, who's running the timer? Somebody running it on the other side or am I running it >> on board? >> Who runs it on board docs? Anybody? I'm >> typically Bob runs it but we can certainly run it if >> I know I just need to know just as we move forward just that's it just it's easy I just need to know thank you okay so uh first in line is um Mr. Laneir so Mr. Lir when on when I unmute your mic, you may state your name and your municipality and to the
072board. >> Uh Jason Laneir Lansdale. Uh I want to first, you know, I like these meetings in terms of them the detail of information that uh Jamie Lynch provides. I mean, I know I've had my differences in terms of what we're spending the money on regarding the project, but it is well tallied and I appreciate the effort basel uh Mr. McCertie to to kind of keep everything in expenditure lines. I mean, I I there's a lot of moving parts and and uh Mr. Slaughter is doing a good job, too. I mean, getting people to refund money because using PVC over over uh uh traditional um threaded piping, that's fantastic. Like to see that. Um and you know, even going into the some of the sustainability things, I I want to make a a a good
073point here and and this is this is where uh I think the board needs to spend a little bit more time. I mean there are sort of um quantifiable savings that you achieve from doing things that that you guys are doing which is great like the the uh higher insulation on the roof and um you know reflective paint on the roof and that sort of things, better insulated windows, better efficient boilers, all that stuff's really good. Then we get to the thing about the solar. Now, I want to make this note that uh Jamie Lynch separated himself from the solar presentation as this was taken from a different presentation and not his because I think he would tell you and uh I I really shouldn't speak for him, but I think this this notion that
074somehow you're going to save money with solar panels is is really overstated. this grant or that sorry this uh presentation was was generated by a company called generated generate 3 uh 180 and it's a it's a it's an activate it's a activist group out of Virginia or something this information that has been provided in here is is like best case scenario everything's going to work out perfect it's not a real uh it it doesn't accurately really reflect what's going to happen. And I don't understand what it is we're we're doing this. This is this is very much a vanity project and putting solar stoves that the chances of of of achieving this sort of efficiencies and these sort of uh um electrical um generation to to offset usage is really unlikely. The cost is going
075to be much higher. This and is this a really a good expenditure? It says $13 million. I think it's going to probably be three times that when it's all said and done. And I don't think we're going to get all the IRA, ITCP effective pay kickback that is supposed to occur through the IRS. So, I think you guys really need to take a look at this and and stop doing things based upon vanity or whatever reason and really look at how efficient and the actual benefit to >> Thank you. Would anyone else like to make public comment tonight? Mrs. fakeish. >> Yes, we have one more. Uh, Mr. Patchel, when I unmute your mic, you may begin talking and state your name and municipality for the board. Go ahead, Mr. Patchel, please begin. Unmute your
076mic. begin. Mr. Patchel, you may begin. Mr. Patchel, what I can see on our end is that your mic is still muted. So, if you can hear me, if you could uncclick. >> Okay, that >> Oh, yes. Yes. I always have a good volume. Firstly, uh, our new CFO, you got to find out how many students are going to actually show up at this place. You know what the current thing is? Oh, yeah. We're getting married. Uh, oh, kids. They're way too much effort. We're getting a dog and all you kids, I'll talk to the student one on the thing. You know what? I don't know what you're going to do, but after you get out of college, if you finish it and you can afford it, it takes you 10 years and you got
077to have boots on the ground. They don't want to have a a a Starbucks person that talks on the phone all the time. You got to be ready. My son's going through it. 10 years to get a decent job paying over a h 100red grand. Okay? 100 grand is nothing today. Okay? Then is what we're going to talk about what is the threshold for the prevailing wage. You know what? 98 98 north it's $62 an hour. You're almost proud of this. Oh yeah, it's non-union. Do you have any apprentices? Anybody learning anything? Oh no, we're saving a ton of money. And I hope the public listens to this. The next item is you know what? It's a tipping point and here's what's going to happen. It's just like that referendum you try to jam down
078our throat. 800 million. Oh, what a defeat that was. Mr. Schrader was probably pulling his hair out. Okay, so here's what's going to happen. The political climate, they're going to gradually remove you and it's going to wind up like the South Carolina nuclear power plant. Shut this thing down. That's exactly what happened. Okay. So, you got to think how are you going to get any money? I pointed out act one. I'll tell this from my CFO. Act one, she came up with a number of four and I gave her a low ball. She comes in with 3 point something. You're going to lose a bunch of money. And I guarantee you when a hard time's hitting 26, you're going to have to redo the whole budget. And that's what's going to happen. They selling any
079houses? No. It's collapsing. The rea the office buildings is collapsing. You know what? You don't you don't even have a vague idea. And I'll tell you what, they're going to go through this list and uh the new uh union president of the teachers union. You think they're going to suck up 3%. I doubt that. You know what? If I was running that thing, nothing less than 10%. Cuz you're running this whole thing on the backs of people willing to take 3%. They won't like it. And you know what? How many people going to college? And give me the answer of how many people after they graduate here are sporting a degree. You know what? they ought to go to Mona Montgomery County Community College and a bunch of people are doing that because they don't
080have any money. They can't go to you can't borrow money on the uh home equity loan. All this cushy living is over. And if I was running it, I'd go through that whole list. And you know what? I'd be offloading people like the Department of Education. That's what's going to happen. I'm telling you, 2026 is going to be miserable. >> Thank you. Would anyone else like to make public comment tonight, Mrs. Fish? >> We do not have anyone else. >> Okay. All right. Thank you for that. All right. Mr. Slaughter, we'll go back to you with the items recommended for work session and or action meeting, please. >> Certainly. Thank you. Uh item 3A is recommend to seek board approval for the Penfield Middle School modular classroom replacement three HVAC units. Item 3B is recommend
081to seek board approval of the North Penn High School asbestous and hazardous materials monitoring bid. Item 3 C is recommend to seek board approval of bid package one GC proposed change order number one. Item 3D is recommend to seek board approval of bid package one plumbing contractor proposed change order number one. And the last item, item 3E, is recommend to seek board approval of the proposal from Gordian Group and SJ Thomas for the pre-fabricated transportation building. Those are the five five items recommended for work session and action committee tonight. >> Thank you, Mr. Slaughter. All right, with that, um, I'll just say thank you again to Casey and Audrey for now being part of our committee. We'll look forward to having you moving forward. Um, our next facilities and operations committee meeting is scheduled for
082Monday, October 27th. Um, and again the time in here says 5:45, but that's when actually the safe schools meeting starts, but we will immediately follow that meeting in the virtual format. Hope that was clear. All right. May I please have a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you, Mrs. The space.