001Alrighty, that was fast. Our webinar has started and our YouTube live stream is up and running. Miss Stole, this special finance committee meeting for May 21st, 2025. The meeting is yours. Thank you, Mr. Gomer. Okay, we're going to call this meeting to order and we're going to start off with the pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Um, next up will be approval of the minutes from the April 22nd, 2025 special finance committee meeting. Can I have a motion, please? So moved. I have a second. I guess I'll second, right? I don't Just me and you right now, Kathy. Right. So I'll second. All right. All
002in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion passes. All right. Now I'm going to kick it to Dr. Bower. Dr. Bower, floor is yours. Thank you so much, Mrs. Stole. Good evening, everyone. Uh thank you for joining us for another special finance meeting in a series of meetings uh to kind of go through in a thorough more thorough way than the typical format our budgeting process. So this is at least the third or fourth special finance meeting this year and we'll have a couple uh administrators go through their departmental budgets. So with that um I assume we'll go in order here as they are listed in board docs. We'll start with Miss Christine Liberowski and the community education budget. Christine, good evening everyone. Uh thank you Dr. Bower. I'm here I back again. I
003feel like I was just here uh presenting the community relations budget but that was all the way back in February but it seems like yesterday. So tonight I'm presenting the community education um budget which is an enterprise fund of the school district and it's it's our uh community school. So, um, what we offer, just a reminder, I think everybody knows here. Next page, please. Um, summer camps. I'll start, uh, what comes up first. So, this summer and every summer, we offer summer camps for our our our children, our students. Um, any we have sports from baseball and basketball and field hockey to enrichment. Really happy to say that we've been increasing those. We have um several STEM um camps that we offer, baking, theater, music, and more. Currently, we have well, this was uh back
004from May 6th when I did this presentation, but 581 students, which was down from last year at that time. Um but last year we did have a record amount of students um participate in camps. Our numbers have gone up since then, a couple hundred. So, we're we're we're getting right back on track. Um besides summer camp, we also offer um two sessions during the school year, a fall and spring um program. Um again, everything you can imagine under the sun from sports um to arts to more kids programming to to language skills, baking, um you you name it. Um we try to keep our prices as reasonably priced as possible so our community can enjoy it and and have um lifelong learning. classes range from free to about $180 for a specialized martial arts course.
005Um, but the majority of our classes are in the $50 to $60 range. Um, every year we try to offer some new classes and you'll see um some that we listed there uh below. Um, do I'll just do a little plug here. Anybody watching um if you have a specific uh interest or skill that you wanted to bring to our community, we're always looking for instructors. you just need to contact me and we interview you talk about uh what it is. So how we're doing um compared to other years. So um we're doing well. So you see um 2021 we were uh zero. So since COVID we've we're making our way back. Um very pleased with that. We are a little bit down from last year. Um but I think that just has um a
006lot to do with the economy and just people not maybe having the extra money to spend on things like this. But we're it's still very strong and and we're pleased with the numbers. I also wanted to highlight our gold card program. Uh so one of the benefits of the community education program is we do offer um this program for our our our seniors. Um well 60 and above. I shouldn't even really call them seniors. I'm I'm nearly there. So more than 2700 um members of our community belong to the club. Um and last year alone approximately 300 free classes were given to um those community members. Um we we get new people registering every every day. Um you want to do that you just have to come into the ESC um and register there for
007free. You also get the free musical um and other um benefits with the gold card club. So I encourage you um if you're not registered, please stop by the ESC. some community partnerships through the community education program. Extremely proud of our ELLL adults um um which all of you I believe know about from previous years with Ambi Murphy at Nap Elementary School. Every year we just seem to add something onto it and this is a program to help our adults um learn English. Um their their native language is not English and we teach them in a a different way. We teach them through learning about the community, learning about the school district. And um Ambi Murphy, who is uh an ELLL teacher in our school district, heads it up. This year, our little wonderful twist
008to it is Christ, Dr. Landis in the technology um department secured a grant for laptops. So every student in that class received a laptop to take home and she I wasn't there during distribution which I think was uh last week but the pictures everybody was elated. It was like it was like Christmas for them or a birthday. They were they were pleased. Um and this will continue um for new registrants as well. We also partner with the YMCA um other local uh programs such as theater and kids. The arts alliance still dilders was a new one this year is more that's a new pickle ball um organization just down the street from the ESC and that's been very popular as well. Uh what we've also done this year is really partner with the school district
009too and um uh um Neil Dr. Neil Brockster who helps to plan family engagement series. So we we've been helping promote those series through the brochure too and our brochure does reach um about 80,000 community members in the district. how our funds are spent. The budget for the program is is basically how you know funding for the salaries um for first of all we have one registar um and we help pay half of her salary because she's also works for the school district as a receptionist and and some other duties and then it's all the funds to pay our contractors who are the the teachers in the program. Obviously these costs continue to rise. Uh the remaining of the budget is prioritized um for printing and postage of our program. general supplies and other costs
010for running the enterprise fund. Um, in years past when we have built up a surplus, we have used that money to fund other needs within the school district um that benefit the whole community. We've we've spent it on uh programs such as North Penn television. Um so hopefully we'll get to the point where we can continue to support in those ways. Cost cutting efforts. Um again we we um previously before COVID had two registers. we continue to function without the second registar. Um shout out to Gail Bel. She's doing an incredible job. We have a heavier reliance on social media and email and so forth. And we have been able um to cut our printing costs significantly in in the last um several years. And something new this year, um we revamped our merchant contract.
011um the person who processes our our credit cards. We we were paying um a hefty sum the the program and we um revised our contract so that now the the fee is on the user. Um we're happy to say though that we have we c if people can come in and pay by check they can pay by um uh cash too and they don't have to pay that fee. At the same time they can still register online so they don't miss out on those popular classes. it saves a spot for them and then they can come in with the cash and check. So, if you don't want to pay that fee, um there's a way to do that. That's basically the program. Um we're a small budget. Um but I'm really proud of what we
012offer. Not many um school districts continue to offer a community education program and I appreciate the support of the school board and the community to keep to keep us going. Thank you for that. Yeah. So, um I have a couple comments I think. Um one about the gold card and taking back the senior comment about being 60 because I just turned 60. So, I'll be in to get my card. Thank you. Yep. Um I love the becoming clutter-free family course. I'd like to see what that exactly means. I I probably need that one too, Miss Right. Yeah. And um I just did have a question about the electronic payments. Um that was for the credit card fee. Is there a AC action? Yes, you can do that as well. Deeper. Okay. Yeah. Great. Thank you.
013Does anyone else have any questions? Mrs. Merti, I see your hand raised. Hi, just a couple of comments. Miss U Miss Miss Liberosi, I want to comment on the EL ELELLL class and I'm so excited to hear that they were provided the laptops. I know that I helped Ambi for one short semester and they had books and it was great, but I can't imagine the speed now because a lot of the folks in the class are trying to keep up with their own students at home. So, these laptops will absolutely benefit them. And if you need a location to practice the decluttering, I will offer my home right now. So anyway, thanks for all you do with this program. It's fantastic. Thank you, Mrs. McMerry. Mrs. Redneck, did you have any comments or questions or
014are you good? All good. Okay. All right. Thank you, Mrs. Liberovki. Thank you. Uh I agree with all the all the sentiments shared this evening regarding our community education program. Christine, thank you so much. I know you have another meeting and another presentation, so we will see you later. Um, see next up we have uh the D coordinator of our extended school care program, Miss Dr. Excuse me, Jacqueline O'R. Good evening, Dr. O'R. Good evening. So, um, thank you for having me here today. So, we're going to start by talking a little bit about our extended school care program, um, and our budget for the 2526 school year. So, if we can flip to the next page. So, um our enrollment for 2526 is is going wonderfully. Um we're using our new software system to
015enroll all of our families that has helped streamline this for families. They are able to go onto our onto a platform called Brightwheel and all their paperwork is processed through there. So, it has cut down on um paper cutting paper costs as well. Um but in February they we opened up our registration for our incoming kindergarten families. So they were the first families we let register for this upcoming school year. Excuse me. We have currently 115 incoming kindergarten registered kindergarten students registered for this upcoming school year. Then when March rolled around, we opened it up for our existing families for two weeks for them to register. And um we also then opened it up for new families in the district after the two weeks. So right now it's open for everyone who's interested if they
016haven't registered already. Um be whether it's a returning family or a new family and we currently have 796 students. Actually as of today we're over the 800 mark because also I had completed this um presentation earlier last week. So if we can move to the next page. So we have some information here about the 2425 information um for our program the financial information. So our subsidy I'm very proud to say that our subsidy has seen a 36% growth. We have 22 additional families in our program that are now receiving subsidy which is funding from the early learning resource center. Um we actually get funding from several centers um in the area from Philadelphia, from Bucks County, from uh Montgomery County as well and two um actually two different Philadelphia county ELRC's. Um our revenue for
017ELRC this year saw a 28.4% increase. Um and that's due to the the additional students we've been able to to get into our program. Um, as you can see there, the funding received so far this year is a little over $250,000, where last year at this time we were just slightly under $200,000. Um, and the other thing that's helped us grow our program this year was the addition of the 12 new positions. Um, that helped us eliminate our weight list. Um, and also will help eliminate all future weight list because we do have some of those positions um that haven't been filled yet because the need has not arisen yet. Um, and then finally, we have our 2025 summer camp which is being held at two locations this year and we have over 200 students
018registered. We are still have ongoing registration. Our Gwen nor location, we have capped off that based on the number of students in the program already, but we do still have availability at our bridal path location. If any families are interested, we can move on. So, some things that we didn't uh considerations taken while doing the upcoming budget is that we have no retirees for this upcoming year, but we do have three um staff positions that will be resigning. The we continue to use the Everside Health Clinic. Um and we're going to be able to continue using that for our part-time staff members who don't do not receive benefits. Um we're our breakfast we believe will continue to be free for all students this upcoming year. However, snacks will become an added cost for our our
019programs. There are certain schools that will receive reduced snacks, but this year we will have other other locations that aren't receiving the the free snacks. Um, and then all budget assumptions that we made were based on operating at full enrollment. So, considering that we have the maximum number of students um in our program that we can accommodate as well as the maximum staff to cover for those students. And then if you want to move on. So this way I'm going to have to take my glasses off. Um but if you look at this, this just shows you some of our Thank you. I'm like I'm really blind. Um sliding over to this one now. So what we're looking at, we we anticipate that our our total um revenue that comes in this this school year
020will be slightly over uh well almost $4 million, but our expenses are also up there. They're a little over almost $3.4 um million dollars. But at the end of it, we do expect to have a revenue um that is over sorry we are under go over in budget. We will expect to um to make a profit of 585 if you can see that eight $585,000. Um and that's after paying back the final balance of the money that the district um that we owe to the district. sorry for for the general fund for monies received to help fund our program during CO. And I'm not sure if anybody has any questions. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you for that presentation. That was very um a very nice presentation. Um I did have a couple comments. I'm really
021glad to see that the weight list has been eliminated. Um, I think that is so important to be able to provide um, services to everybody that needs them. So, I'm really happy to see that. And did I understand it correctly that the you're staffed fully so that um, with the part-time employees too and they use that Everside Clinic is kind of a benefit. That's a way to retain those part-time staff. That is correct. As long as they haven't been offered benefits and and decline them, they are eligible. That's great. Thank you. I appreciate the information. U Mrs. Merry, I see your hand raised. Hi. Yeah, thanks Mrs. Stole. Thanks. Thanks again for the presentation and the detail. Two questions. One is regarding um the snacks and is that something new this year that there will
022be locations that will have to pay for the snacks and I guess I'm asking what changed if they weren't previously charged. So, um, as the school year began, we were under the impression that all snacks would have been free. However, there were some guidelines that changed, some federal guidelines that changed and food service wasn't able to provide us our snacks at all locations at no cost. So, there were several locations that we did have to pay for snacks for. So, we've we've now put those numbers into the budget for this year as well. Okay. So, is that saying that is it next year possibly that snacks will be free for all again or no? Um, I I I think it will depend on whether or not they meet a title um is it a certain
023qualification? I'm sorry. I think it's title one. Is that what it is? Title one schools get the free lunch free meals. Yeah, I think it's title one. All right. Thank you. And and did you say something, Dr. B? I did not. I unmuted but then muted again. Thank you. Okie do. Okay. Okay. And then just one question um just a bit more understanding. I think it was on the first slide around the subsidy and just about what what it is actually and you said it increased by 22. Yeah. I just like to understand it a bit more. Thank you. Sure. Not a problem. So there are there are several early learning resource um centers that are located through each of the counties. those counties provide federal um dollars or funding dollars for um families who
024meet a certain criteria, low-inccome criteria. Um those those families then are apply for subsidy and then they're they're granted that through that agency. So that agency then um tells us what that family is eligible to pay. So they pay the difference in what they believe the family can pay and what our rates are. So, it's it's a it's a great service to families, and I know a lot of families are not comfortable um applying for it, but I I urge every family to apply for it because those ceilings go higher. Um like a family of four, I think, can make $80,000 right now and still qualify for subsidy. Thanks for that. That's um that's interesting and it's good to hear. Thank you for um letting our community know that. Yep. Thank you. Are there any
025other questions or comments? All right, we're all good. Thank you, Dr. Obern. Okay, thank you. Um, and moving on to our final presentation for the evening, we have the esteemed Dr. J. Mia Kim, our director of human resources, walking us through her budget. Dr. Kim. Thank you, Dr. Bower. Good evening everyone and thank you for the opportunity to be here to review the human resources department's budget for the 2526 fiscal year. Our focus is on how we support the district's valuable asset, our employees to ensure the best possible learning environment for our students. Um uh next uh page next page, next slide, please. Um, I'm sorry. Can we go back to the previous I apologize, Mr. Gilmore. The human resources department plays a critical role in the success of our schools. As all of us
026know, research shows that investing in our staff leads to better teamwork, helps us keep our talented educators and support staff, and encourages new ideas that ultimately benefits our benefit our students. in some we are committed to hiring the best candidates, creating a positive workplace, and supporting the district's overall mission. Next, please. Here is an overview of the key functions of our department. We ensure legal compliance, manage employee records, and prioritize safety and well-being, among others. We also focus on recruiting and retaining top talent, managing employee retent uh relations and providing training and support. All those functions are carried out by our talented um and dedicated team. Next, please. This slide um gives you an idea of the size of our district's workforce. We have approximately 2,500 employees including administrators, teachers, support staff, and substitute um
027employees all working together to serve our students and families and certainly not counting seasonal employees such as those hired for various summer programs or title one and intervention tutors. Next, please. A major goal for our department is to attract and retain highly qualified staff who reflect the diversity of our student population. We actively recruit at job fairs and universities and provide specialized training to ensure we have we have the best team in place to support our student success. Next, um one more please. Here you have you you'll see um a pie chart that shows a snapshot of our budget. You'll notice that the largest portions are allocated to substitute salaries, employee benefits, and tuition reimbursement. We've also included specific allocations for areas such as HR personnel in terms of salaries, degree improvement, legal services and
028recruitment, and technology services. It's important to note that substitute services um have increased significantly for the 2526 fiscal year and that is primarily due to the reallocation of substitutes from another department. Next, please. Here we highlight some of the key areas where we are seeing budget increases. For example, there's an additional funds for legal services, which is primarily for Title N compliance. Um, investment in HR personnel to ensure we have the necessary workforce to operate our department. Staff development through training and mentorship, increased benefits to support our staff and allocation of sufficient funds for the needed substitute costs. Furthermore, we have allocated additional funds to account for the increased support staff tuition reimbursement as per the new collective bargaining agreement and to help better meet the district's needs as vacancies become available. We're promoting our
029support staff to pursue teaching and other positions that are much needed in the district as vacancies become available. Um and in to I'm sorry it can we go back to one else you can see there is an increase in um this year's budget um 25 26 years budget compared to current school year um reason again primarily being there is a significant um reallocation from other department that impacts our substitute service costs. Next please. Um we are definitely committed to using taxpayers dollars responsibly. This means carefully assessing the needs of the district, maximizing the resources we have, and finding ways to improve efficiency and effectiveness, all while ensuring we have the staff needed to provide the highly qualified, highquality education for our students. Um, and we welcome your questions if anyone has any. And we want
030to ensure that you understand how this budget supports our employees and ultimately the education of our students. I have a question, Dr. Kim. Sure. Substitute services. I can you that's not can you explain that like who are the subs for? Is it for the administrative subs or No, it's for primarily for our support staff. Okay. our professionals and for various roles that we have including cafeteria monitors um the ve v variety of roles that we have in the district. So when I not teachers um including teachers as well. Okay. Yes. So that's all the substitute services. Yes. Oh I I would have thought it'd be more. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Mrs. Mcmmerry, do you have a comment or question? Yeah. Thanks Mrs. Stall. Hi Dr. Kim. I want to understand what when you said that
031a reallocation of the substitutes from other departments what does that actually mean what what's actually happening okay so you know I have a similar question because I was surprised to see such a huge increase because you know we as a district and for each department you know as an overseer for the HR department I know what I've allocated for that and so I ended up having a conversation with our interim um assistant director of uh for the business operations and she had explained to me when she looked into it. So there were some substitute cost that was assigned to special ed department in particular PPDs for special um special education subs along with uh you know support staff what we call uh pause that are permanent. So, think of as a built district-wide um substitute
032assistance. They were previously in the special ed department budget and somehow they got reassigned to um HR, which does make sense if you think about it. They were they for some reason they were not part of HR budget before. So, with the reallocation, they've been added to our department budget. So, so to follow up on that, does that mean that the budget for special education, did that money transfer over to HR to compensate? Okay. All right. And their budget went down. Yes. It would make sense. Yes. But as needs arise, you know, and we'll just have to go to our CFO to see if there's any, you know, budget for that. Yeah. So this is just a a um moving that account from one department to another. It's not new money to the budget. Okay.
033So, so the the the headline here is yes, we're seeing an increase, but it really is a for lack of a better term clerical or administrative and not that there is another initiative or a major change in how they're doing their performing work. Okay, that is correct. I think I think that's the headline. Okay, now I understand it. All right, thank you. Can I can I ask you a question? Sorry. That's okay. If I if you didn't if that um reallocation was not included, what would the budget have been? Do you know? So, it I think the difference is $180ome,000. Okay. So, it is significant. But it so when I saw it I thought I I really was confused. But it's nice to know that it was it's only an increase of 186 and the
034other is a again a correction to reallocate reorganize. All right. Thank you. Can I Dr. Kim? When you and I spoke about this and we're looking at your budget, I believe we discussed So can you imagine what Kathy will think when she sees this large of an increase in your budget? Like we actually played that out, C. Yeah. Well, you know, and again, if someone sees it without understanding it, there could be questions. And the the headline is it's really administrative. And I don't mean that to make light of it, but it's only you've only increased it by $186,000. And yet you're still doing what you do and the department is performing so well. So I think that's the headline for me. Thank you. Can I ask a clarifying question like then? So is it
035just it's not it's all subs in the district are under HR now. Is that that's how it should be? Yes. But before for whatever the reason unbeknownst to me that um special some of the special ed subs were allocated to special ed. Okay. So previously like uh other subs for other they were all under HR and this is just the special ed subs coming in. Not all certain sub uh special ed subs. I'm not sure why and how that occurred but now they're all in HR. Every sub is under HR. Okay. All right. Thank you. Mrs. Rnner, do you have any questions? I'm I'm reflecting because I I think you both asked my questions and uh I don't want to beat it to death. So I think my understanding is the same as yours now
036that at some point a subset of special ed subs were under special ed uh and a portion of sub specialed subs were under HR. Now all special ed subs are now under HR. That is correct. All right. And I think that's what I understood. Um what is PPD? You mentioned PPD. So every district has their, you know, um name for building subs. In our district, it's called permanent perdm sub. Bit of a misnomer. It's permanent. Is it really permanent? because they're typically assigned for the year and okay they work on a dayto-day basis. So they're assigned to our district. They work every single day and depending on whether they're elementary or the secondary, you know, they do have a home base, but depending on the need, they are assigned to report to certain buildings. Okay.
037Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Dr. Kim. And and I also to to borrow from Miss Kathy's term, I I my my headline is retention. Sounds like there's a lot of focus on retaining um the employees that we have currently and we're using different modes to do that um and keep them in the district which I think is absolutely in the labor market that we have today training new employees alone has such a negative cost impact that um so the one thing I circled was that the focus on retention I I do appreciate that. So, thank you, Dr. Kim. No, thank you. And I appreciate, you know, all the, you know, all the board of directors supporting our efforts to make sure that, you know, we are um supporting our employees because they are one of
038our valuable assets. Thank you, Dr. Kim. Mrs. Rick, that reminds me um last year, Dr. Dr. Kim, I think he provided us with the stats for the employer retention um at the for the different employee groups, whether they be the teachers or the support staff or whatever. Can we maybe get those numbers again? I know. Absolutely. Um our numbers were pretty high as far as retention, but support staff was a little lower. And do you happen to know off the top of your head, have we made an improvement on that this year or do we honestly I do need to take a look at it a little bit more closely because there has been some shifts. And um when I talked about mentorship that really uh we're focusing on how do we help our new
039um special education par profofessionals when they come on board, how do we help them feel more success? So we have mentors for teachers. So we're trying to um replicate that with our support staff so that they have a mentorship as well opportunity. Great. Because that's a very difficult position without it. So okay, thank you so much. Are there any other comments or questions? Mrs. If I may, um one correction, when Dr. O'N gave her presentation regarding um some of the schools that have the free lunch program, she had mentioned uh Title One. While all of the programs, all the schools that have the free lunch program in North Penn are title one schools, not all of our title one schools qualified for our C program, which was community education or eligibility program. Um, so Ms.
040uh Smith who was subbing in pinch hitting for uh Melissa Ferlick Green in February at that special finance committee meeting um she outlined that program. So, that was new to us last year and we're planning to continue it next year. I just want to be clear that's not all of our title one schools. It's three of them. Um, so just one small bit of clarification. Thank you, Dr. Ber. Appreciate that. Okay, I think that concludes the presentations. Mrs. Stole, thank you. I do not believe we have any student representatives on on the screen with us this evening, do we? No, I don't see any. Okay. All right. So, and there's nothing that we need to move forward to work session. So, that brings us then to public comment. Mr. Gilmer, is there anyone in the
041audience that would like to make public comment? Yes, we have one person in the audience tonight that would like to make public comment. All right, then I'll read off the statement. Individuals attending this meeting and intending to speak to the committee should be aware that they are being recorded. In order to meet the requirements of Pennsylvania sunshine law, it is necessary to record the names of all citizens who speak to the committee during the meeting. To assure compliance with this requirement, it is essential that those planning to address the committee state their name and municipality. As a reminder, public comment is not of the meeting is designed for residents and taxpayers of the district to provide comment and feedback on matters being discussed at tonight's meeting or matters that may come before the finance committee.
042It is not designed for debate or discussion with members of the committee. When appropriate, committee members may choose to respond to public comments that have been made or request that a member of the administration follow up with the speakers after the meeting. Members of the audience are asked to limit their questions and comments to three minutes. And this is in reference to board policy 9003. Okay, Mr. Gilmer. All righty. First is Jason Laneir. Uh Jason, I have unmuted your mic. So when you're ready to begin, you can unmute your mic. uh state your name and municipality for the record and begin your comments please. Hi Jason Lair Lansdale. Um looking through this budget I mean I looked at the the the charts that were following the general presentation and going back you know let's take
0432022 out of it because of uh of co but in 2223 we were at $2.3 million for this department. um 2024 20 or 23 24 was 700 or $70,000 more and then the budget doubled for that department. It went from 2.37 to $4.96 million. And what what I don't understand is what accounts for that doubling. And now that we're going into, you know, 25 uh 24 25 with that that much higher budget, we're going to increase above that. I think there needs to be a little explanation as why is it doubled so much in just last year. And um e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e even even regarding what's uh presented today, there seems to be some discrepancy in the
044numbers within the presentation. Meaning it looks like uh if you look at the the last sheet of this presentation, the difference is roughly $1.3 million from 24 or yeah 2425 to 2526. Up at the top it's 70 and something and change. So there's a difference there. And I which is correct? I mean assuming this this uh accounting is correct that is provided I guess from um formerly Mr. Chaki's office. I'm not sure who's currently running those numbers. Um there there seems to be about a $400,000 delta that which is not accounted for. And again, where is this? That's a that's a lot of money that to to not be sort of specified out in terms of the the main cost drivers. All the cost drivers don't increase it to six million uh up to $6
045million. So what accounts for that? Um I I I mean only looking through it while the presentation was going on. I couldn't I couldn't seem to find what the number one factor was. And I'm hoping that uh either doc Dr. Kim or anybody on the committee here can can kind of uh shed some light on why we're we're continuing to increase so much in this department. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Are there any other um people that want to make public comment? Mr. Gilmer, that will conclude public comment for tonight. Okay, sounds good. Thank you very much. Um All right. Does anyone else have any comments or questions? Uh Mrs. stole I actually wasn't clear on which department Mr. Laneir was speaking to the entire time because he just said this department but then
046when he said at the end Dr. Kim now I know he was talking about human resources so Mr. Laneir if you could uh point me directly to the numbers that you were referring to in the spreadsheet and the presentation be happy to meet with our CFO Miss Hower and Dr. Kim and answer those questions for you. No problem. He's referring to the last page of uh Mia's report on human resources and the overall total. So the the first three columns are actuals and then we move into budget and year-to- date current year um which is not completed yet. So you only have about nine months worth of data there. And then um because I'm thinking it was year to date at the end of another it wasn't year to date at the end of April.
047I think it was year to date March. So, you would have three more months. Um, and then the budget is 6 million. So, we'll we'll I'll look at the difference between the 49 and the six, but I think it's going to be the substitutes that we just were talking about. Yeah. Thank you so much, Tara. Appreciate it. With that then, um, do I have a motion to adjurnn, please? So moved. Thank you. Okay. Good night, everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you.