001Still waiting for the stream. Double check this here. All right, our webinar is live. Our YouTube feed is live. Mr. Ramik, the meeting is yours. Great. Thank you everyone and good evening. Um, thank you for joining us for our special finance committee meeting. Um, we will start by calling this meeting to order and start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So, thank you everyone for joining us. We'll start off with the approval of minutes from our meeting on March 18th. Do I have a motion and a second? Moved. Second motion by Mrs. Stole, seconded by Mrs. Mc Merry. All those in favor say I. I.
002I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay, I believe I'm going to hand this over. We have three great presentations this evening. Mr. Linderman, would you like to call the order of those meetings or who would like to go first? Uh, yes. Uh, hold on a second. I'm I'm sorry. That's totally fine. I have board dogs up, too. Um, yes, I'm trying to do the the uh roll call in the minutes. I understand. I'm so I'm so sorry. No, I understand. Actually, in the in the uh I can't see who's going first here. I know. I think it's Mr. Ryan in transportation. Okay. Yes, Dennis, why don't you kick it off? All right. Well, thank you everybody for coming tonight and greatly appreciate to uh see everybody again. Um so, just a little shout out. Um if
003you didn't know, today is actually National School Bus Drivers Appreciation Day. Um so, just a shout out to our bus drivers and our bus assistants and our van drivers and our transportation staff for all the hard work that they do for us. Um it's greatly appreciated. So I just want to give a little uh plug there for our staff. You go to the next slide, Chuck. Can you go over the budget? Um so first I always like to start off with highlights in transportation for the year. Um so recently we received five new buses, but we actually also received eight new propane buses on top of that. Um and also five nine passenger vans um that were delivered in October 2024. So the five most recent ones that we were delivered will actually be on
004the road uh within the next couple weeks here. Um and recently uh this school year we brought seven runs from first student back in house. So we are doing with those runs with North Penn employees with North Penn buses uh for this school year. Another thing that we started this year is the bus pole stop arm camera system. Um that's been going on since the beginning of this school year. Um it's been a good program for the district uh with the exterior and interior cameras on the buses and that's on all North Pen buses and Bur student buses and we were also awarded 125,000 from EPA uh for the clean school bus pro program for our propane buses. Uh that uh that 125,000 will actually go towards the five buses that we recently purchased. Uh
005you can go to the next slide, Chuck. Um so department overview. Um so we currently have 75 uh routes in house. So that's seven more than we had last year obviously with the seven that we brought in house. Um with 73 bus drivers. Uh we have so that would mean we have two permanent vacancies currently. Uh but with that said we do have uh two two drivers that are in training right now um to get their CDL to be to uh take over those bus runs eventually. Um, we have, uh, a bunch of van routes and assistance and substitutes to help fill routes. Uh, we're always looking for substitutes no matter what. Um, especially, you know, this time of year where we're looking at the peak of trips, uh, for the school district. So, uh,
006we're always looking for substitutes to help fill in for that work and obviously for absences and whatnot as well. Um, our office staff, uh, we have three full-time routing specialists, uh, full-time trip and training coordinators. So, Ann Nice, who's been with the district for quite some time, for about 27 years, actually took over for Gene Dome Reno in January, who retired, who have been with the district for 30 plus years. Um, we have a full-time dispatcher and also a full-time department uh, administrative assistant, and I should have corrected that in my presentation. uh for uh transportation. In our garage staff, we have five full-time mechanics and we have a full-time lee mechanic as well. You can go to the next slide. Uh as the overview of the department, so we have 119 vehicles as a
007whole and as I said earlier, we have 75 district bus routes. Um we transport in total approximately 13,000 students. um you know traveling over about 2 million miles between our contracted vehicles with first student and our own vehicles with North Penn. Um so our annual projected fuel consumption so it's a big part of our budget obviously is the amount of fuel that we use. Uh the amount of propane that we use is increasing yearbyear as we purchase more propane buses. Um the amount of diesel that we use is going down as you know we use less diesel fuel. Um that's been a big part of you know our uh budget and continuing to reduce the operational cost for the department uh by you know purchasing propane buses that you know use more cost effective fuel.
008Um and that's been successful um for us you know for the last seven years now almost since we started the program. Um and about 40,000 the gasoline which we use for our vans and we also use um for some of our minibuses as well. you go to the next slide. Another big part of our budget um is contracted transportation services. So um as you might remember last year we went out to RFP um for uh our contract with the for contracted transportation services. Um so our current cost per day for a a route with for a student currently is about $417 a day. Um so we realized that we we we received a lot of increase from one year to the next. So uh approximately till the end of this extension that we had with
009first student we're seeing about a 27% increase from 23 24 till the end of the 2526 contract. Um and we're expecting that the next time when we go out to RFP which will be next year that those prices are going to go up again as well. Um so that's why you know we made an initiative this year to bring some of those routes back in house to help reduce that cost um for the contract to transportation. Um so we did that by you know seven runs back in house but also consolidating two non-public runs um which saved approximately $300,000 um for the department for the department and the district uh for for this year. Um so the contract of transportation cost about $4.06 million of the budget almost about a quarter of the budget um
010for just just for um that that contract alone. Um a big part of our our budget too is you know the vehicles that we purchase every year. Um so you know we we're continuing to buy those propane buses has been successful program for us. Um, you know, we're continuing to look for grant funding that's out there to help to assist with the purchasing to offset the cost for them. Uh, but overall, you know, the propane buses have been successful because of that, you know, the cost of maintenance for the vehicles and obviously the cost of fuel for the vehicles as well um is significantly lower than it is for diesel. Um so right now overall as a fleet we have about 87% of those buses operating on propane. Um so if we continue the trend
011that we have been um over the next two years we're looking at you know that 100% of those routes will be propane by then. Um so first student and if you remember about couple years ago um they inherited an entire fleet of propane buses from another contract another district had uh with first student and and basically flipped the amount of buses that were propane on its head where 100% of their vehicles that they're operating for us are all propane. Um so that that's been a you know nice savings for us as well. Go to the next slide. So, um, with the propane, you know, obviously the amount of gallons we're using for propane is significant because the more propane buses that are operating every day and the more propane buses we purchase, the more propane
012fuel we're going to need. Um, so current price per gallon uh we're pay we pay for propane is about $1.13 a gallon. Um, that doesn't include a 36 per 36 cent uh per gallon uh alternative fuel tax credit that we get as well. Uh so we're netting about 77 cents per gallon that we're paying per for propane currently. Uh which is a nice, you know, and significant difference between, you know, from propane to diesel. Um we have an RFP out currently as we speak. We're actually we're opening uh bids out this week um for our propane contract. Um, so we have an RFP that we currently have out and we'll see what the upcoming prices for propane uh will be in uh the next couple years here. Um, for diesel, current prices to be determined.
013Um, but you know, currently we were paying about about 250 or so a gallon. Um it doesn't include the alternative fuel tax credit that we're getting, but obviously the less that we're using um because of you know obviously it's a significantly more uh expensive than what we're paying for propane. Uh you know the amount that we're using per year has continued to decrease. Now we still use diesel for you know a lot of our trips um that we do especially for going long distances and we also um still have some buses in the fleet are operating on diesel too. you go to the next slide. So, a big um increase in the budget for this year um is our IU transportation cost. So, the district utilizes the Montgomery County intermediate unit um for specialized transportation
014when needed. Um so, basically, um our needs have increased to utilize the IU for these specialized transportation needs. um almost have doubled since the last two years. So um so we've had to utilize the IU to help us with that. Um and they're great about you know you know getting that taken care of. Uh with that though when the IU IU contracts with a contractor um and those you know the trend has been that the contracted costs have continue to go up. So we saw last year what the contracted costs went up. It's the same thing for these costs with the MCIU for their contractors as well. Um so basically we utilize them if we can't do it ourselves. Um so to look to reduce those costs potentially could be by looking at purchasing more
015wheelchair accessible buses, mini buses or vans um and hiring more drivers to basically bring that back in house um when we do have the space to uh cover for that too. Um so a big driving cost for the contractor cost especially for the IU transportation we need to utilize um is the need for bus assistant or bus nurse um in addition to the cost for additional equipment. So it may be like a wheelchair accessible vehicle or any kind of special equipment that may may be needed on that bus um really makes that cost go up. Um, so from last year to this year, basically, we've seen that those costs have just gone up significantly, which is why we're looking for that 1.5 million uh to go towards those IU transportation costs. Now, it comes out
016of our annual transportation subsidy. Um, so basically, this happens around June as it comes off as a deduct from our subsidy from the um from uh from the state. Um, but you know that cost you know went up significantly from last year to this year like I said. So that's why we're looking for ultimately to increase that cost. Go to next slide. So we're thinking a we have a lot of things going on in the future here. So we have a new facility that's coming into play within the next uh couple years here. Um, and we have a lot of things happening with, you know, um, our propane that's that's going on and obviously we have an RFP that's going out uh, in in the next year or so for a contract of transportation services.
017So, when we compare this year basically apples to apples, what's it cost to do it in house versus what does it cost to do it um, ver with a with with a contractor? Um, you know, it's it's a it's it's not a big difference. Um, but it's it's still technically cheaper for us to do it in house. Uh, when you're looking at that, you know, the cost for the driver every day. Um, and then with with the next year coming up, you know, that co that that cost from 417 a day is going up to 470 a day. Um, so that's that's a big difference too. So when you look at that, the the gap is continuing to you know get wider and wider between contracted transportation versus district run transportation. Um so we you
018know longterm we're looking at bringing back more routes in house. Um but right now for the upcoming school year due to a lot of logistical uh things to take care of with the high school project too and obviously with our new the new transportation center coming into play. Uh we're not going to bring a a run back from for a student this year coming in, but we would look at um you know once we have that new facility in place. Um we'll have more space there and you know look at uh bringing back more of those routes in house as a cost-saving measure because like I said earlier, we expect that the costs are going to go up again when the RFP goes out um in for the 2526 school year. Um, so when when
019the contract goes out for that. So, um, so that's what we're looking at kind of long term for, you know, the overall transportation scheme here. Um, we do also have a new digit digitized conduct reporting system that we're um, you know, we're we're going to be implementing for the next school year. Uh, we've been going with paper for forever. Um so we're looking to streamline that process. Uh make it digitized has a direct connection to you know the administration and uh principles that need to see everything that's going on you know on the buses in terms of you know drivers making writeups and reports of conduct. Um so I think that's definitely going to help uh with with that process too. So um I believe that's on the board agenda for uh this Thursday actually.
020So, anybody have any questions about anything right now? I believe we do have two questions, Mrs. Stole and Mrs. McMerry, and then we can move on to this slide. Thank you. Um, so I don't have so much as a question as just a um comment about how when we um first got on the board, there was a push to um uh privatize and um contract out all the busing services, all all of it together. And we did not agree with that concept because at the time there were it was more expensive to have an in-house driver than a um contracted out driver, but um it it just seemed like once you sell your fleet of buses and it's cost prohibitive to buy them back. So we just we were just against it. So I'm just
021really proud to see that over the years we've taken the complete opposite direction. We've actually bring um roots back in house and we've, you know, um made our fleet propane instead of diesel. It's like I think it's a real success story of um how we didn't fall for the selling and privatizing the runs, but we, you know, took care of it in our own district. And um just really appreciative of all the work that's gone into converting our fleet to propane and um you know, keeping our drivers in house. So, thank you for your presentation. No, thank you. I appreciate that, Mr. Mrs. McMerry. Thanks, Mrs. Ramen. So, thank you, Mr. Ryan. And and um uh when Mrs. Stole talked about the propane buses. We learned a few years ago about the impact, the positive
022impact of propane buses for the students because those buses are quieter and students were getting off the bus in a less heightened energized state. So, as many propane buses as we can get probably is pro where we want to head. Um, so thank you and thanks for bus patrol. It's definitely been eyeopening. Um I do have two questions. Previous slide. Um the the additional costs uh that are directly related to uh constraints because of the high school project has and again I'm just asking this because I I don't know if it can be done. Can some of those costs um or are some of those costs already included in the high school overall project cost? Um because it doesn't feel that your operational budget should be burdened with costs that are directly attributed to um
023constraints due to the high school project. Just something that I'd like to look at going forward. Um and then back if you don't mind going back to slide eight. Um oh shucks it's probably slide se Oh no that's it. That's it. So is is slide eight. Sorry. Um can you speak to a bit more about the alternative fuel tax deduction as you understand it's coming from the state. Is that something that is anticipated to continue at the percent or dollar amount that we're seeing now? So great great question. So to your first question about um the high school project um so it's more or less for our logistical um you know considering where you know the amount of parking that we have for our buses currently um versus you know where we're going to have
024those park those buses eventually. um you know that's the reasoning why we wouldn't be able to necessarily bring anything back in house for the upcoming year because of that um space constraint basically. Um so once we have that space then like I said that you know we would we would be able to kind of you know look at you know what we can you know bring more back in house. It's going to be a transition over time. We're not going to be able to say we're going to bring back 40 routes in house. it would it would be a transition as we purchase more buses too um over time. So um the long-term costs and kind of what the you know the trends have been is that the contracted cost have continued to increase year
025after year and the district-owned operation um has kind of just been steady in terms of those costs going year after year. Um so I don't know if that answered your question to that. Well, it it does somewhat I guess my eye my lens is about uh again not burdening the existing budgets uh with with items activities that are specifically uh caused and I don't mean that in a negative way but are the result of you know logistical limitations restrictions or changes that need modifications that need to be made during the construction process. So I just want to be careful about that. But it sounds like you've got it. So, thank you. Yeah, we're going to navigate every possible angle we can to make sure that, you know, we're, you know, if if we have the
026ability to do it, then we're going to do it, obviously. Um, to your second question um about propane um with the alternative fuel tax credit. So, um that's to be determined, you know, especially with since we have this RFP going out, we do have it in our bid specs, you know, to provide that to us. Um, so our current vendor um actually takes that out of an invoice um every time that you know we we uh get fuel um for propane. So they take care of that themselves. It's a it's basically it's a federal um you know deduction um that can come off of the cost for fuel for propane. Um, so so we're we're expecting that it would, but you know, if things change that, you know, that isn't something that's available. Nonetheless, it's
027still significantly cheaper, you know, for propane versus diesel or gasoline. Okay, thanks very much. So in this slide here, this basically just kind of goes over, you know, the overall um line item spending and the percentage of the budget that the transportation uh budget takes over for the overall budget. And we're still, you know, even with the rising cost for contracted transportation, rising costs for, you know, the IU and whatnot, um, you can still see that we're we're operating in that, you know, under 6% range of of the overall budget that transportation is. And that's thanks to the projects that we put into place with the propane um and in looking at you know any kind of efficiencies we can find um to reduce the operational cost for our department to you know obviously like
028we've said in the past is you know reducing those operational costs to go towards the students education. That's our that's our main goal. You go to the next slide. Um, and then still, you know, even as large of a district as we are, you know, the largest, you know, especially with transportation in Montgomery County, you know, transporting nearly 13,000 students. Um, you know, our spending ranking is, you know, kind of in the middle of the pack there. Um, so that's utilizing everything we possibly can to be efficient with the resources that we have. um you know by looking at you know alternatives to fuel, alternatives to routing, uh looking at consolidating you know things if if need be um to to uh be efficient as we possibly can. And then this is this this uh
029chart here I mean it's quite outdated quite honestly but it kind of gives you the idea of a trend of you know similar size school districts to us. Um, so Downing Town and Westchester are fully contracted operations, you know, versus us where we're kind of split in between where we are contracted and we are district owned as well. Um, so you can see that the costs, you know, they continue to to to rise obviously. Um, but with districts that are similarly sized, you know, those those districts are in Chester County where, you know, those contracted prices may not be the same as ours. um you know in comparison. So um so it just gives you an idea of like similar size school districts and what they would that they do as well. So thank you
030everybody. Greatly appreciate your time. Any questions for anything? Thank you so much for that presentation. I really appreciate the time. Absolutely. Thank you, Mrs. Renick. Yeah, sorry I'm having a little bit of the delay in the way my computer's working today. Thank you, uh, Mr. Ryan. Really appreciate that. I was curious with your penultimate slide, um, where you had, um, North Pen, um, a little bit in the middle of the pack, I think you had said, from an expenses perspective. Yeah. Um, the one prior to this. Yeah. Uh, so do do we have and I can't see the bottom. Is this um for a specific time per So this was in 2023. Yeah. So I can get you like the most up-to-date information for that. Um, we pull this from Frontline to show the, you
031know, most the the most up-to-date information that they have to to project onto, you know, this, but it was still, you know, you know, the the trend has been year after year that we're basically within that middle of the pack range of spending ranking in Montgomery County, you know, considering the off size of our operation. Okay. And I think my question and it doesn't need a response right now. I was just curious if we had an understanding of the differences between um the other schools that may be I wouldn't call it outperforming because we don't know that they're just under spending. Uh we may well be outperforming which I think it's a criteria that we often aren't able to measure. um just those that might be underfunded or underfunding their their uh transportation department if
032we have an understanding of what they're doing differently. And again, I don't actually need a response right now if you unless you have it. Um well, I can speak to that. Um, so I mean a lot of districts, especially in Montgomery County, are different in terms of how they operate, you know, and similar to, you know, the similar size school districts. You know, we do have a lot of districts in Montgomery County that may be fully contracted. You know, they're they don't operate a fleet with, you know, a district with employees and mechanics and garage and whatnot. They just have a contractor take care of everything. And then there are districts, you know, that have have their operations, you know, a fully district-owned fleet too in Montgomery County. Um, and then there, you know, there
033are districts that have a lot of walkers, you know, that, you know, don't necessarily utilize transportation at all. Um so that that's you know you know the the uh the different dynamics that every district has um you know in terms of what they need for the transportation you know because a big part of that too you know if a district is fully contracted um they may not necessarily have an area to you know park buses um within their district and it may not be cost effective for them to you know buy an entire fleet of buses and hire drivers. Uh we're we're fortunate enough that you know we we have we have the buses in place that when we see that those trends um where the costs are basically separating from themselves where the contracted
034cost is going up and the district cost is kind of stagnant. Um, you know, we we are fortunate enough that we have those spare vehicles in place to be able to pull more runs back in house and be able to, you know, save money by doing that. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Thank you. I didn't think about the walkers, but that's a great point. Appreciate that. Absolutely. Perfect. Thank you. Right. I had one quick question. Go ahead, Tina. Sorry. Um, so I was looking at the graph and I didn't realize that was to 2018 um on this last slide where North Penn has the higher expenses than the comparable district, right? But that was back when we outsourced more runs and we had diesel buses. So that our trend line should be coming down while theirs
035are going up. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and those districts are in Chester County, too. So, you know, it's a little bit of a different um you know, financial uh impact and they're dealing with different contractors too potentially where their prices may differentiate. Um so, I can't say to what they're what they're paying per day for a bus necessarily versus, you know, uh what we're paying per day for a bus either. Um but you know obviously with the cost-saving measures that we put in place with the propane buses and you know looking at you know at that time it was cheaper to be contracted versus district zone. Now you know like I said the trends have reversed where it's cheaper to you know do it ourselves. So you know that trend should be
036going down and you know when next year's budget presentation comes around I'd like to see you know what that what's that starting to actually look like. um you know with those numbers. Great. Thank you. Perfect. I think now we're going to hand this over to Mr. Slaughter for the facilities and operations. Good evening. Excuse me. Good evening everyone and thank you for having me here. Um this is my my first time presenting so uh please forgive me if I make any missteps or mistakes but uh let's go over the the budget for uh the 2526 school year. Uh as you know facilities and operations is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of uh 21 buildings uh over a little over two million square feet and 500 acres of property. We accomplished this task with 130
037employees uh variety of custodial services, maintenance grounds, uh support personnel and supervisory staff as well. Next slide please. uh facilities and operations is comprised of maintenance and that staff is responsible for the insulation, repair, preventative maintenance of all the systems in the buildings uh including the building envelope, interior, boilers, chillers, fire alarm, security, plumbing, electrical and HVAC systems. While the grounds department is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of all the athletic fields, the buildings ground, building grounds, playgrounds, secondary lawn maintenance, and snow removal. Next slide, please. Um some of our other operations are custodial staff who are responsible for the daily upkeep keep and cleaning of all the buildings, general maintenance, safety, event setups, outside groups, uh close to the building, grounds maintenance, which uh the building staff typ typically handles lawn care in
038tight to the building while uh our grounds department and some of the contracted services handle the more outward perimeter stuff. Um, we also have support personnel, administrative assistants, and supervisory staff that oversee all the departments, support all of our staff, uh, and include some uh, we while we don't have a warehouse anymore, we are still constantly moving items in and out of the warehouse. Uh we do have a carrier and facility use uh staff and departmental support uh as part of our additional staffing. Next slide please. Uh so we are also responsible for a lot of compliance issues. So some of them are federal, many of them are state. Uh we have of course our aera reports uh for uh asbestous materials that we do uh annually and every three years as required. Uh we
039have our EPA RRP which is lead paint which we have to deal with every time there's a renovation and repair or any painting. We also do uh federal fire safety inspections which include the sprinklers, fire extinguishers, the kitchen uh anel systems, and all the fire alarm testing and inspecting. Some of the state requirements are the right to know. Uh we integrated pest management for everything that we put down throughout the buildings. Uh storage tank compliance, which we're slowly whittling down. Uh we're going to take out five more tanks when we do the high school project. Uh so we're getting them down to a minimum as much as possible. We also have a clean air permit for the high school uh which relates to the boilers and anything that this and the emergency generators. We have
040the regulated dam that's behind the high school that we need to maintain. And we do a variety of elevator, wheelchair lift, boiler, pressure vessel inspections that are all required through the state. And uh one thing that we're bringing to the uh FNO committee next week is our uh bid for uh the lead drinking water testing. Next slide please. So uh our proposed budget for 2026 is up as I'm sure everybody's is to 19.8 million. Some of the major components of that budget are salaries and benefits at 12.3 million for our staff. Uh utility and waste services uh are up to 4.2 million. That's a 25% increase uh for 24 over 2425. That does not include our water and sewer uh in that in that 25% average. Um, building system maintenance and repairs is up to
041761. Our custodial maintenance and ground supplies is up to 1.25 million. Uh, one of the things that has gone down slightly is uh our our safety system inspections. They have gone down slightly with some of the modifications we've made to some of those systems. And um one of the things that is not included in this budget that we want to mention is uh we did request a vehicle replacement uh and utilizing the 2024 2025 unspent general funds. The replacement of this vehicle is for a dump truck and it was not in the budget because it didn't become apparent really till this snow year. Um, I started doing analysis on this vehicle because of how much time it spent in the shop. And with the assistance of Mr. Ryan, we were able to determine that in
042the last five years, we last five years, we have spent uh over $42,000 on this vehicle and repairs and it still has another repair that we're trying to nurse through. So, we uh worked with Mr. Linderman and we are looking to utilize that to purchase that truck uh in the amount of $107,2753. That includes the trade in price of the vehicle. So the vehicles uh over that amount, but that's the final cost to the district for that truck. Uh next slide, please. So, uh, some of the proposed 2025 2026 budget increases, uh, general supplies are up, and that includes new equipment, uh, replacement equipment at $62,000, our inflationary increases of $20,000 over last year's budget, maintenance and services up to $291,000, and that includes the inflationary increase of $32,500. Our utility increases are the biggest
043hit that we're really taking this year. So, as an average, it's a 25% increase, increasing our budget by 844,600. That includes electricity rate increases of 18%, natural gas rate increases of 31.4% and water and sewer rate increases. They vary by municipality, but we're seeing an average of 7% on water and sewage increases. Next slide, please. So, our 10year fac I'm sorry, our 10-year expense history without salaries over the the last 10 years, you can see is slightly on the increase. And a lot of that doesn't have to do with uh increased expenses, which which are typically in the 3 to 4% range. It's the utilities that are driving the costs up this year. Uh and this information is coming to us from forecast five uh who handles uh analysis for what we're spending plus across
044the board increases. Uh next slide please. So this is with salary. You'll see the increases are slight but still fairly steady on the uptick. Uh next slide please. So, this is how we compare to uh other school districts in Montgomery County. Uh this is based on our operating budget as a percentage of the general fund. And you can see we're not the lowest, but we're next to the lowest. And the lowest school district, I believe, is Upper Morland. And that is significantly smaller district. So, as far as a district goes, we're operating very lean uh when it comes to our comparison to other districts. Next slide, please. So, now we're compared to like districts and those are uh as you saw in the previous presentation, Downing Town, Westchester, Central Bucks. Uh and you can see
045North Penn is well below the average uh when it comes to spending comparisons of the general fund. Next slide, please. So, our five-year spending uh operation spending change uh as you can see, we are still down below the average there uh when compared to other districts. There are some that are doing better than us, but they are uh less wellto-do districts uh with very uh cringing budget concerns and smaller districts that are limited in the amount of schools that they have. Next slide, please. Uh, one of the things that we've just done, so the reason for the big jump in energy expenditures is, uh, Mr. Schneider and Mr. Scraky were able to lock in uh, long-term deals a long time ago, uh, which benefited the district for a long time. Unfortunately, all those contracts are
046coming to an end. So, the increases that people have seen yeartoyear, we are getting slapped with at at one fell swoop, so to say. So, we were able to lock in electricity uh about two weeks ago and we locked that in at at uh 06 per kilowatt hour and that's an 18% increase over our previous contract, but does not include the transportation fees and uh some of the other fees that come through PICO. Uh we have no control over that. Those are not negotiated. Those are not bids. So, um we're still waiting to see what they are. Um natural gas, we've locked in the transportation which is called the basis and that's at 81 cents at Decathm. That's almost a 32% increase, a little over 31% from last year. And again, that is just the
047transportation of fuel. So we will be buying the fuel on the open market. Uh we locked in the transportation a couple weeks ago on the same day we locked in the electricity, but we will now follow the live market. um to see uh how it's going to go down hopefully in the summertime and then we'll lock in in either four six month increments or we may go as far as a year uh depending on what the futures look like. So uh we we watch the Henry Hub natural gas uh pricing. It's already dropped in the last three weeks uh from about $5 a decay down to uh about 350 a dec. So when that gets into a good spot where we can we can buy out, uh we will we will do that live in
048the market. As far as energy management goes, you know, as building operations, uh we constantly review how we run our our systems and our programs. We're look looking for efficiencies wherever we can get them. Uh we're going to make some adjustments to our summer operations. Uh kind of different from where we've done it in the past. uh where I have done it at a previous district where I worked at. So uh we're hoping to see some savings uh of that because uh in the utility invoices we have seen a slightly higher energy usage this year than based on the previous years. I think a lot of that has to do with this summer being much colder than it was uh last summer or last winter. I apologize. So I think that's got something to do
049with our increased energy usage yeartoear. Next slide please. Uh that's all we have. So uh I'm sure there's lots of questions on what was presented. Mrs. Mrs. Mcmer Merry. Thanks Mrs. Ramage. Thanks Mr. Slaughter particularly for the slide where you talked about review of um what we can do during the summer to uh reduce energy costs going forward. So um a a couple of things regarding looking to the high school project which will start next year and uh impact on energy costs. Do you have an idea about would we see does this budget reflect any of the changes that we would anticipate in the uh construction phase or should it? So, uh, this does not take into account, uh, so what we do is we take like the previous five years usage and project that
050out into the budget on what we're going to do. Um, based upon how construction runs, usually your utility costs increase a little bit during construction, but because we're putting in newer systems, more efficient systems, once those become online, you start to see the utility cost drop. Unfortunately, we're going into a five-year construction project. Okay. Now, we're taking it pod by pod. So, it should seem pretty like a slight elevation in the beginning. It should be pretty flat through the rest of it, but the further we get along and the higher percentage of square footage that we have completed, we should start start to see reductions in okay utility cost just based on the efficiency of the equipment. Okay. And again, I know I need to stay at a board level, but as we step off,
051particularly on phase two of the project, I think at FNO, it would be helpful to just see periodically what those costs look like during the um construction phase. Um, and again that's one building. So I know that your other work will be with the other buildings over the summer and the other efficiencies that can be gained in the other buildings during operation during school year. So I think that's something I would like to see that we talk about at FNO going forward if we could. Absolutely. We track our energy usage monthly not only in cost but in in you know KWH and and decor. Uh we can put that into graph form and and track that as we go along. Um periodically every month might be a lot but maybe we do. No, not every
052month. I I think the dynamics of it do not support that. Nor do I want to put a burden on your resources that will already be burdened. Um, but I would like, you know, periodically to see what that looks like. Particularly since we are a summer peaking area, it might make sense to do it at the end of a s end of the summer and then into the next six months. Great. No problem. Thanks. Love your presentation. Thank you, Mrs. Redneck. Yeah, Mr. Slaughter. Uh, congratulations on your first, um, presentation. I thought that went swimmingly well. So, thank you. Um, and anything did, and I recall this, this is now my second year on the board, right? So, I'm getting used to seeing similar data year on year, which is good. Um, and I see
053a new thing every, you know, this is my second time, so I am heartened, um, to see, I think it was on your last slide. You don't, it doesn't have to come back up. It was maybe it was like a,000 maybe $1,200 um per student um was the cost. Is that is that right? I think you had on the graph. Yes, there is one that's uh per student. So that was the facilities and operations life districts. Yeah. So our our cost per student is uh $1,214. Look at that. and I thought my eyesight was bad but it isn't that bad right and these are four compar so I just think it's important since you know we talk about FNO is specific to we have buildings right we have buildings that our students have to be
054in versus you know the cyber charter schools that do not have buildings and we are still maintaining at least from a building perspective um as we can see very comparable to schools that are our size and it shows that we are thoughtful about the cost per student. Um meanwhile we know that we have cyber charter schools that some people try to compare to uh brick and mort that are add astronomical expenses per student. So, I'm just thankful that you, your team, the I don't 130 employees continue to uh think about our students when you make commitments uh to to spend the taxpayers money. Um, and we are doing that in a cost-effective manner. So, appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Slaughter. Um, appreciate that and I appreciate um how you and Mr. Ryan both
055have used cost comparison data to compare where North Penn costs per student or cost per per building kind of compared to other districts. I think that's incredibly helpful. Um, so appreciate that. Okay, so we'll move on now to our final presentation of the evening. U Mr. Ran, good evening everyone. Thanks for the opportunity uh to talk through the office of safe schools um and uh just touch on some of our needs and uh where we've been and where we're going. Uh so we can go to the next slide. Uh just a little bit of uh background information for maybe those who are tuning in for the first time to a budget presentation. Talk a little bit about uh the office of safe schools. um maybe some folks who have not uh participated in safe schools
056committee meetings. So just a little bit about the department um the coordinator reports directly to the superintendent uh responsible for physical security student staff and visitor management um video surveillance, access control, behavioral threat assessments, uh emergency planning training exercises and drills. Uh so that's that's a lot uh to to take on. uh and also works uh collaboratively with uh six municipalities uh and police departments and also uh maintains the coordinated role of the safe to save program. So that's the department as a whole. Some backstory uh to get into a little bit of some numbers here. Uh there are 17 full-time security officers, one part-time uh security officer. Uh we have a part-time administrative assistant and subsecurity officers. And if you look to the right, uh some of the numbers where uh where that staff
057kind of does their work. Um and and the so you'll see um some uh historical data starting back in 2021 going up through 2024 school year. Um and like my colleagues in the facilities and operations and transportation department, uh numbers go up, right? So numbers go up not only from a um cost perspective but also um the way in which we do our work. Um so numbers have gone up and uh so when you look at so kind of clarify you know 445 to 495 to 780 um that is the number of times that um people have worked uh a a shift. So that includes a regular uh 183day school year, but also events on top of those things. Um and then the numbers inside of those, right? So um to drill that down a
058little more, if you look at the nine people that are assigned to the high school at 183 days a year, right? And then you know the the one-off events. So that that kind of works. So I know some people like you look at that number, you're like, whoa, we've almost doubled. Um, right. So, it kind of gives you some context and perspective. Um, however, you can see if you look down at the pie chart there, uh, where the majority of the the money is spent in salaries and and benefits, um, for within the Office of Safe Schools, that's that's a a junk a big chunk of our uh, budget. Um, and then, you know, what represents some overtime uh, for those types of events and PDM events. And so to differentiate overtime for predem um
059even though we cover 180 events uh some of them may be covered by some of those uh sub officers on a predium rate. So uh that's how we kind of balance the overtime. So it's not always covered by a full-time employee. So that's how we we managed to keep that that overtime cost kind of in a manageable window by having uh predium uh or sub uh security staffing. Uh so get into kind of the outside of the salaries and benefits and overtimes and details. What else does the office of safe schools uh utilize its budget for? Uh and so we kind of break it down into three groups. uh professional services, new equipment, um and systems and licensing and support. Uh and so you can see if you look at our professional services, that's a
060that's a a good uh amount of uh what we spend our budget on. And then getting into our licensing and and software. Um and then you then there's some training and supplies and things of that nature. So, um, you know, when we look at like police services, that's for when we contract to have for football games, graduation, um, triathlon, like all of those type of events where where we would ask for additional resources. Um, there is mandatory state training through act 67 that every uh, security personnel has to go through. So, we we have to uh, fund that uh, every time we hire someone. Uh I'll talk a little bit about some things I'm looking to do to try to help offset that uh in the safe schools meeting uh coming up. Um and then
061threat assessment training. Um getting our teams, you know, obviously having a large district, we have to have uh a comparable threat assessment team. So our threat assessment teams right now across the district is right around 105 107 members of that team. And so there's training involved uh costs um in involved in that to make sure that we are trained and we are operating the way we should. Um and so there's there's some cost to that. So some of the the new equipment that we're looking for in the proposed 2526 budget is is to continue to purchase um the best material and equipment that we can. And so purchasing uh we have a audit of where we have roughly 1,200 cameras across the district. And so our audit tells us where we are on that life
062inspected. Um cameras that are relatively new and they will make it another 2, three, four, five years. Cameras that are kind of coming to end of life. Uh and cameras that are at end of life or well past end of life. Um I think that we would all agree that in the technology space that we operate today um to be able to have the best system possible would be able to have uh 4K analytic cameras and that's going to really help. And so we've started uh deploying some of those and so we're going to continue to do that. Um and so in the 2526 proposed budget we're asking to do that at a bit of a higher clip as we're reaching some uh we have some cameras that uh need to be replaced. also looking
063at um adding a um a training simulator for uh district use as a whole, not only just within the office of safe schools, but it allows us to uh bring in all kinds of uh other staff, support staff, uh administrators, uh PARS to bring them in and create scenarios and environments and things to help um put out uh the best professional aid and the best professional development um for for our staff across the many levels again not just uh the office of safe schools but support staff and and the um educators on that side. Um we have a lot of events um that we you know if you've come to any event on the campus uh one of the things that becomes very very challenging almost immediate is traffic and signage and where can I
064go and what can I access or where can I not go and what can I not access. Um and so we we have found um through renting uh digital message boards it really helps us allows us to control traffic. You think about graduation, you think about triathlon, um you think about uh International Springs Festival that's coming up this weekend. Um there are there's there's just traffic flows and there are sometimes we have to change the the normal traffic pattern. Um and we need to we need to have a effective way to communicate that to our um community who's coming on the campus. And so uh a digital message board will help us do that. And as we have talked about um in a number of occasions um in safe schools and in information going home
065um about the evolve weapons detection system that we've deployed looking to add an additional unit there. So that's just kind of the highlevel uh big ticket items we're looking for um in the new equipment for the proposed 2526 budget year. Um and then getting down to systems and licensing. Um we run a lot of systems that help us do our job and be effective. Uh you know systems like the alertist mass notification milestone which is our platform we use for the video surveillance. Um we have behavioral threat assessments uh platforms. We have a number of platforms visitor management. We have a number of platforms that that we use daily um to aid in the effective running and operations of the office of safe schools. And so we need to continue um the use of of
066those platforms uh as we go through. Uh much like my colleagues, year-over-year those costs do go up um you know and so there's there's a bit of a uh an increase um to last year's budget of roughly around 10.8% um from the requested uh budget last year. Uh and so we are roughly in the $3 million range total uh for the Office of Safe Schools, which represents about 1% of the total district budget. Um so I see some hands going up. Uh I'm not sure who was first. So um whoever wants to go first with questions, I'm happy to answer some questions. Hello, Mr. Rone. Uh mine's a simple one. I just would like for you to um tell those that are listening again u give maybe an example of the groups of people theund
067and um 105 um colleagues employees that are in the threat assessment that require the threat assessment training or they're in that group. Yeah. Yeah. So um the threat assessment teams uh are made up of administrators, guidance counselors, school psychologists um um facilit uh inclusion uh facilitators um there are um for and the secondary and at the elementary level um school climate coordinators. So to without kind of getting deep into the weeds, but you have to have a multid-disciplinary team uh on your threat assessment team. Um and the reason for that is you you have to be able to have different perspectives and different lenses and people who bring different levels of expertise to the table so that when you are conducting a threat assessment and you're evaluating the level of concern behavior have you have
068perspective you know I my the perspective I bring to the table oftent times is from a law enforcement standpoint right whereas my guidance counselor colleague or my school psychologist colleague league uh will bring a different perspective because maybe they have information or a backstory that could either confirm or deny the concerned behavior we are we are looking to drill down. Um and so if if I was the only expertise or the only perspective to the table, right, we could we could wrongfully classify somebody or mclassify somebody. Um and so that's why you have to have that layered approach to make sure that you have representation. Um you know term we use in in the business is the whole child right you have representation of the whole child to be able to determine the the thing
069that we are concerned about the concerning behavior. Do we have a full picture to be able to make a good decision? Thank you. I hope that was helpful without being that was yeah I just sometimes we just need a reminder for our listeners so they have a picture of who with who and5 uh colleagues are so thanks yeah and so just to clarify that uh even further Mrs. Rubnik. Um, every building has a team. Um, and then there's a district-wide team at at the ESC central office. So, that's, you know, people are kind of like, well, why so many people, right? Well, you think about our our the number of facilities and then, you know, the number of people in each facility. That's that's kind of where we get to that. That makes sense. Thank
070you. Yep. Mrs. Mc Merry. Thanks, Mr. Rone. Thanks for the presentation and the explanation regarding the robust uh layered um program that we have there in the response to Mrs. Rdnik regarding the new equipment and if I missed it on a previous slide um let me know but in terms of the simulator was that on a previous slide in terms of the specific cost for that? It it was not okay. And I can I can that. Pardon? It was not, but I can speak to the specific cost of it. Well, I I don't want to get into the weeds um because I get in trouble when I do. But in terms of the the cost of the new equipment and the justification regarding the simulator, the cost benefit of that and then regarding the evolve
071system. Um so we have one right now. Correct. So we technically have four units. So we have a dual unit and then we have uh single units. Uh so we have one dual unit and two single units makes for a total of actually four units. And how many are we adding? Uh we're looking to add two units. Okay. And these again will be mobile. They're not planned to be uh permanently located at any particular location um permanently. Correct. That is correct. Um and one of the one of the the challenges we found um we were there was a a we had basically we were kind of triple booked right for events in different locations. Um and and I I never want to find ourselves in a position where it's like well let's flip a coin
072and figure out which one we we provide the best coverage to. Right. Right. Um so so that's why we step back and go okay um we we probably need to get a couple additional units so that way um we're not in a position where it's like we do or we don't or we pick and choose who gets Okay, that makes sense. Um, regarding back to the simulator, is that something that can be further described in a a specific um safe schools meeting in terms of what it will provide uh the robustness of it? Does it allow for us to prepare the students for more unique types of drills? So, for example, you know, the one where students are actually um in a bathroom and they don't know how to respond or react. Yeah, I I
073can speak to it. Uh kind of give a tease, I guess, you know, tee it up a little bit and get into um you know, put it on agenda to speak. That would be great. So, uh what this does uh it allows us to do a number of things. it. The simulator comes with, if my memory corrected, it's about 950 already programmed um types of events, but we can custom make any type of uh event uh situation we want to have to role play through. Um and so I've I've already I talked to Mr. Gilmer about we can work collaborative with the office of safe schools and NPTV to have kids involved in creating our own uh uh scenarios in the customized field of the simulator. So we get kids involved in being a part
074of it who are you know interested in the the TV business and the filming and that kind of stuff. um and they can record all that and then we can upload it and create the um the responses and all those things. So, it's very intuitive um into you know being able to walk and talk through a scenario or situation and get responses back from essentially live people, right? Okay. And what about collaboration with the uh surrounding uh police departments? Yes, we we absolutely positively could. So there is there is a a a tremendous amount of win um for the community the North Pin community as a whole um from a level of training and preparedness with this this particular simulator. Okay. So now I'm going to ask one more question and I'll zip it. Mrs.
075Ramage, but in ter I have no idea what the cost of the simulator is right now, but if this is something that would be utilized by our police departments, is that something that this cost could be socialized with them so it isn't the full burden impact to the district budget? I think that's something that we I would need to talk with the six chiefs um and and talk through that with that with them. Um I certainly don't want to commit them to that. Um of course not. Of of course not. I don't know that I don't understand the scope of it. Is it more specific to a district? Would it be something they could benefit from and utilize on a rental basis? I'm just all about thinking about money. Yep. Yep. Thank you. And and
076all of that is possible. I just have a a quick follow-up question, Mr. Ran, and that is, can you just talk a little bit more about the digital message board? So, where would that be housed? And I thinking about like how busy weekend activities this weekend in particular are and and I think Yeah, that sounds like a great idea, but tell me a little bit more about where that will be. Yeah, so it would primarily live um either in the uh SSC lot or uh at the high school. It is a essentially a trailer, so it's on wheels. Um if you think about um you know any any major highway in Pennsylvania, right? uh you see these orange um display and you you can you know it tells you lane closed or you know exit
077here or emergency. So uh we can create customized messaging. U you've seen them at graduation around the campus uh where we're closing off particular areas or routing traffic a particular way. Um so those would be the two case uh locations. It would primarily be used on the campus. Um but that certainly doesn't mean that we can't transport it to another location where we may need it. um you know s so not only could it be used on a normal traffic situation but you know in the event we have an emergency um and we need to you know we need to have people who are coming for reunification for an example you know we want them come to a specific uh place on the campus right we can put up the the message board and say
078reunification parking here um so there's a a number of ways and resources is um that that that digital message board could be used. Can it do you foresee that it could be used also during um during the renovation when there is a shift in a traffic pattern like when we move from phase one to phase two and we have 3,000 students arriving to a new flow or a new area or need to be rerouted to a new door. Do you see that being used there as well? Yeah, and and that was um Mrs. Ramage, that was part of uh the reason why I was, you know, I I thought about putting this in last year for this school year. Um but understanding the you know some of the challenges we're going to face you know
079to your point where we have sections of slot or c lot or a lot like where there's just going to be this constant understanding of flexibility um and ways that we can best um help support people to to be able to work through and and and help them be flexible, right? Um, so yes, it would it will certainly be used uh if not for periods of time during renovation, it could be used for a good duration period of the renovation. Certainly in the beginning. Okay, great. Thank you. Y um Miranda, before I transition back over to Mr. Linderman, do you have any questions about the budget presentations this evening? Uh I do not. No. Thank you for asking. No. and we're so glad that you're here and we'll get to your student update if you
080have one in a little bit, but just wanted to make sure that you if you had questions, please know that anytime during these meetings, we would welcome your um your input and questions as well. Okay, Mr. Linderman, forgot I was on mute. Sorry. Um so next up on the agenda is it's there's no budget presentation. It's just a budget update. Put that on there as a kind of placeholder to keep it in front of you. This is the budget presentation from two weeks ago. Expect no conversation tonight. Just a reminder that that we will have an updated presentation for you at the U May 6th and we'll be looking for direction as we described in that budget or in that presentation a couple weeks ago. So, Sorry, it was my turn to stay muted. Um,
081okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. Um, Miranda, now we're moving back to you for a a student update. Um, everything is going well. Um, right now seniors are prepping for graduation coming up, which is on the 17th, which is really exciting. Um, juniors just had their J prom and then for seniors that is May 10th for senior prom. But yeah, everything is going good. Good. We wish you all the best as you wrap up this school year. You are not graduating though, right? You are a junior, correct? No, I am graduating this year. You are. Okay. So, you really are. Okay. Things are winding down for you. Well, we wish you all the best in these final final months and um and congratulations. Um okay. Um Mr. Gilmer, do we have um anyone who
082would like to make comment? And if so, I'll read the statement. We do. We have one person in the audience tonight. Okay, great. So, individuals attending this meeting and intending to to speak to the committee should be aware that they are being recorded. In order to meet the requirements of Pennsylvania sunshine law, it is necessary to record the names of all citizens who speak to the committee during the meeting. To asssure compliance with this requirement, it is essential that those planning to address the committee state their name and municipality. As a reminder, the public comment portion of the meeting is designed for residents and taxpayers of the district to provide comment and feedback on matters being discussed during at tonight's meeting or matters that may come before the finance committee. It is not designed for
083debate or discussion with the members of the committee. When appropriate, a committee members may choose to respond to public comments that have been made or request that a member of the administration follow up with the speakers after the meeting. Members of the audience are asked to limit their questions and comments to three minutes and this is in reference to board policy 903. Okay. Up first is Jason Laneir. Jason, I have enabled your microphones and you're ready to begin. Please state your name and municipality for the record and begin your comments, please. Uh Jason Laneir Lansdale. Um I actually had sort of three questions. Uh two specific to uh the presentations and one more general. Um, regarding the the busing situation, you know, I we have a we have a lot of buses and they're all
084propane or most of them are propane and that's that's fantastic. I guess what what struck me as a little bit peculiar is is uh Mr. Ryan talked about have um running numbers based upon 13,000 students, which I guess is the population of North Ben, but not 13,000 kids ride the bus. And does that mean that we are sort of gaming the EPA grant by saying we have enough seats for 13,000 kids to to ride around on? Well, the density of those school buses, a lot of those school buses I imagine would be pretty limited. I mean, how many how many high schoolers drive themselves to school and how many parents waiting car lines to drop off their kids at elementary and such. So I I'm wondering if there's a there's a way to reduce our
085expenditure on transportation by not by increasing the density uh on the buses and having fewer buses operate uh on a daily basis. Um I also had a question regarding the security budget. I said that there's 13 full-time security personnel and we have 18 buildings if I'm not mistaken including uh North Bridge. So that means some schools don't have security or how is that how will we you know there's we do all that spend all this money on threat assessments and and the idea we're going to notice something before it's a problem but if there is a problem we don't have security there or the I guess the the administration supposed to deal with that. There seems to be something off about that. I mean, we we can we can try to understand that we can
086we're going to forecast when there's going to be a problem based upon different inputs from different personnel. You know, Mr. Rowan bringing his his um security police mindset and uh guidance counselor bringing uh some personal insight for for the students. But have those ever failed and what do you do then? I imagine they have failed. There's been some some issues. Uh, and the last question, I guess, would be to Mr. Letterman or whoever's running regarding the take taking care of the the healthc care clinic. For a couple weeks now, uh, you guys been saying that you saved a million dollars and I don't understand how you claim to save a million dollars. Meaning, did the premiums for our self insurance go down by a million dollars or they didn't go up by a million dollars?
087And why would we continue to spend more money on something we're we're spending additional dollars on it this coming year? Is that going to save us more money or there's a there's a disconnect here between the money we're spending, how much we're supposed to be saving, and the benefits that that it's supposed to achieve. And the last part of that is Mr. Shaki made it clear that there weren't ever going to be students using the healthcare facilities. Is the board committing to keeping that that promise by Mr. Shuraki? Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Laneir. Mr. Rome, would you like to respond to any part of that question or would we we could follow up with Mr. Laneir separately? Uh, I'll be happy to follow with Mr. Laneir uh separately. Okay, perfect. And it does look
088like Mr. Ryan um did have to step off this meeting. And and I will just say that I think you know um one of the benefits of public education is that we do want to make sure that the services available to students are available to all students and that includes transportation. Um any other comments from anyone else in in on the in the group? I I ju I just want to say that, you know, I think we need to be responsible community members when we use phrases like gaming the EPA. Um I don't think, you know, there may be Mr. Gilma may note the the actual number of students in the North Pin School District, but I wager that in the time they've been in the district, they have taken a school bus at least
089one time, if nothing else. And 90% of the students that are um juniors that are juniors and below use the school bus most days of the school year. And the fact that trying to do something right can be deemed as again something that is so I think peculiar is uh just a ridiculous idea to me and it's um I it's a shame that unfortunately that Mr. Ryan had to leave. But I I don't think it takes um rocket science to to figure that we have to bust students around and we do not want students as sardines in the school buses. Thank you. Appreciate that. Um Mrs. Rednick, um Dr. Waters, were you going to follow up? No, I was just going to say that I did um send a note to Mr. Ryan so that
090he can follow up with Mr. Laneir, but I am sure that he takes all of those things into consideration. And I think one of the things too that we learned too, right, is that there are schedulers and routers and those are the types of logistics that they're looking at. Um, but whether a student is taken in a car line for 4 days out of a week but rides the bus one day or what other, those are things that in public ed, you know, we just we can't we're not going to factor in. We're going to make it available um and so that every child can get to school whether mom mom or dad are able to drive them or they are able to walk or they need the bus but they will always have a
091way um to get to school. Um and so classifying that as gaming is um is is is a gross um I think misstatement. Um Mrs. Mcmmerry. So I'm jumping in. Thank you Mrs. Ramage. So to utilize or use that word gaining in our district seems rather insulting that we would do something without integrity um and do so in a manner that potentially would discredit our district, our staff, our administrators and ultimately would hurt our students. So um that is not something we are about and will never be about. So, thank you. Okay, so thank you all so much for um attending. Thank you to our presenters. Um really appreciate the level of detail that you all went into this evening. And again, the level of detail, the level of analysis that you shared. Um really
092does kind of get to that um to that point that Mrs. Mc Merry made about integrity. So, appreciate that. Um, so there are no items that are recommended for work session, but we will have the next meeting of our finance committee will be on May 6th. And I do encourage everyone to take time um to review the budget presentation that Mrs. Mr. Linderman included that will be updated for that meeting. Um, and then our on Tuesday, May 21st, we will have another special budget meeting. Um, so mark your calendars and we'll see you there. Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? So moved. So moved by Mrs. Rednick. Do you need a second? Yes, please. Just do this formally. Okay, you have it. Thank you. All in favor? Motion meeting is adjourned. Thanks a
093lot. Thanks everyone. Thanks for everybody. Have a good night. Thanks, Bob.