001Stanley ready to call >> ready to go. >> Thank you. >> I'd like to call the meeting to order and welcome everyone this evening. Would you stand for the pledge? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Motion to approve the agenda. >> So move. >> Second. All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion carries. Uh next on the agenda, Mr. cuts and the uh FY26 U >> 27 budget >> while they pull that up. This is our first of probably several budget meeting fiscal year 27 as we're early in the process. We certainly don't have any revenue numbers from the state or the county. So tonight we just want to go through
002the calendar of when we have deadlines that have any effects by our current financial position through the first six months of fiscal year 26 that we're in and then discuss some of the budget requests and issues uh that we see coming please feel free to count this top. So on the first slide here these are just the starting dates when the encounter due to the budget. Obviously, today's the first day of the legislative session and of course tonight is the state of state address at 7 p.m. And again, you know, this budget at this point, we have no idea what the legislation will protect from us to be the case. So, this is start date for legislative session in February, late February, early March, we usually start staffing with our principles. There'll be some quite
003a few changes this year with the change. got new schools um in the boundary lines. So, there'll be some issues there that we'll have to deal with through the budget process. March 3rd is typically when you get the required assessed values from the county which allowed us to provide for proposed regular levying, excess levying. And then March 14th is when the legislative session ends. At that point, the state will be able to provide us with estimated revenues based upon whatever legislative matters that happened during that time. So we get those at the end of March. Um obviously the some of the dates in yellow we need to address as a as a board. These will be special board meetings we additional budget meetings if these dates are firm. I just want to throw out the
004holding place to make sure we have something on the calendar for additional uh meetings. Um, and then the ones in red is the uh, so our local paper, the journal, I know publishes seven days a week, publish on Wednesday, and the deadline to get information to them is a Monday at I think 3. Yeah, 3 p.m. on Mondays. Obviously, if we wait till May 4th to do our uh, budget meeting, we won't have time to get the paper to provide the 10 days of legal notice for the public hearing on the proposed budget. So our options are either a to move the second meetings in May the later date to compile the 10 days have a finalized budget uh before May 4th to get it in the paper or we need to provide a notice
005in the paper that we're having a public hearing but not publish the budget with that public hearing notice. So those are the options and we need to address those before we get it to the you know end of April. we what to do there. And then obviously once we get a finalized budget, the board will approve it in May and it's due to the state by May 30th. And then by the end of June 30, uh the state board of education will approve our budget. >> Excuse me. You said there that in order for the people public to have a copy of the budget, we'd have to have it. Yes, >> I I wouldn't want people coming in here without having something at hand, >> right? So that the the the requirement we have to
006publicize a notice kind prior to the public hearing. Doesn't say we have to provide a budget then. We have in the past we'd have to make a budget available for the public to come and pick up by then. But the issue is notification can't wait till May 4th to have that budget final. I think the notice of paper the notice of the paper have to come first. uh we can still propose or you know approve the proposed budget or make for it uh and then have those copies ready for the public to pick up before then they for the May final public hearing but we can't do both at the same time with this timeline. I just I I wouldn't want people to come to a public hearing without having something hand to >> Well,
007we Jim, correct me if I'm wrong. If even if we were to publicize 10 days and not have the budget, um the budget would be available before it hit the paper. before well it would be available before it hit the paper and when the the actual meeting notification goes out it would be attached as public documents those uh three days prior three business days prior to the board meeting correct >> right so we would have to if we set this deadline May 4th into Monday so the 6 is a Wednesday is when the paper would publish it we wouldn't have the information on May 4th to put in a paper not going to have to go the week before so May 8th hit the paper. This board should have already approved the proposed budget on
008May 4th that night and the public hearing would be May 18th at which time anybody can then pick up that proposed budget before the meeting before the 18th meeting. >> It's different than we've done in the past. >> Sure. >> So, won't that work? >> Yeah, it works. It's just the preference of the board whether you want to do it early, move the meeting later, or just stick to the current timeline. >> And and there's a couple different things. We could be approving the budget after election or I guess it would be >> it's always going to be after the election. >> It's always going to be after the election. It just depends upon h how soon are we able to get to the public or make it available. So we can do it right.
009We can formalize it a lot earlier which creates some challenges or you know just because of the newspaper really right we have time some time to think about that we don't have to make that decision tonight right but certainly by midappril we'll make that decision. what we are proceed with public interest. >> I would like to do and I hope the board I would think the board would want to do everything possible to make sure the public gets a copy of the budget within 10 days that they be able to >> they will that's not the issue. The issue is will you still publicize the budget? >> That's what I'm saying that they can see it in the newspaper and then 99% of the individuals don't get the newspaper um that it's published. That's That's
010what I want to make sure of. I'm sure the board wants to make sure. >> Well, we can we can publicize the public hearing before on May 8th. Uh if you approve the budget on u May 4th, the proposed meeting 4th and on the 12th, we could put the budget piece in the paper before the meeting on the 18th. It still be the public notice. >> Do we also not do we also put it on like our website? >> We can. Um, and you know, have you make make a notice on social media that says, "Hey, take a take a look, take a review of of what we're doing." >> Sure. >> I mean, I think that I think for me, I I think that would be transparent to our con to to the constituents.
011>> You can even put it in the public notice that it will be available on the on the district's website on this date. >> Correct. >> Provided it's to prove that. >> Correct. >> Yes. But I'm I'm looking for all avenues that we can to be very transparent to to folks. That's all. >> And so am I. I just want to make sure the public wants to see the budget that that's available to them and that it's in a timely manner. >> Sure. And by timely my my thinking was that much um even several days prior to the 18th in their time tell us that good I don't wouldn't want to wait till the 18th and there's changes that that the public agreed would like to make and that we think about and we have
012no time to do because we have to have it done >> but this is the board's budget. >> Yes. >> That we present to the state. >> Yeah. >> Understood. I think >> and May 8th would be the deadline for the public notice of the public hearing. >> I think we're looking to make the proposed budget available on our website. >> We have to talk about >> I was going to say well okay so I'm going to I'm going to put this out there. Every time we we kick the can down the road we'll have to do that again next year and we'll make we'll do it earlier again next year. So, I'm just going to make that statement that I would prefer to walk out of here knowing that we have a deadline for
013when we want it posted for the public before we leave today. That's my request. That's my ask because I don't want to keep kicking the can down the road to the point where we're not we're not having that conversation and then we Oops. >> Well, I don't think we'll kick the can down the road because we have to have some concrete um ideas, not ideas, but definite ideas when the question is, do you want the publication in the newspaper prior to the public hearing. If the answer is yes, >> then you can have the public hearing on May 18th. >> Right. Correct. >> Or you have to have a proposed budget finalized before May 4th. It have to be the last. >> So the solution would be >> to have the meeting earlier. >> Well,
014you could do the meeting earlier or you could have a special meeting after the 18th just to just to approve the budget. Correct. >> Yeah, we could do that. Yeah. Yeah. >> One or the other. >> Yeah. Yes. But I just keep looking at the calendar. You're running into uhation big issue. >> Yeah, we're running into that. Okay. So >> that's I think part of the reason we haven't moved anything in. >> Okay. >> Well, we've done we've had a meeting before a graduation and then went to graduation. >> Yes. We just have to be on top of it. >> Yeah, that was that was very very hard that day. But >> every meeting you decide to have in one has to be one Monday before 3 to get it to the journal to get
015it to the paper that Wednesday. Okay. So if you miss a Monday, it's another week. >> Yes. Okay. >> And the one hour 18, just for reference, is Memorial Day, the Monday after. >> Oh, okay. what would how about Jim and I get back together and we come up with the timeline based upon what you've asked and for the meeting on Monday. I'll update you. That'd be fine. >> So that way and you can just sort of I mean I can't it can't be official but because it's not publicly noticed that we're you would be voting on it or anything but at least you can give me feedback. >> Could we make it a um monitoring item >> where we can put it in Dr. Sax's announcements? >> There we go. >> Perfect. >> That
016works. Perfect. >> There we go. We'll do that. That way it's very clear as to the dates and you can give me make sure that that I have uh uh planned in accordance with what the board's wishes are. >> Can you have the um work the um meeting at the end of April? >> Yes. Yes. and then move it all up so that we have time to >> But you have to have it before the last Monday in April before 3:00 in the paper. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Our second meeting in April the 20th meeting we could we have a just a meeting. >> Yeah. We could have >> the end of April to be able to to do this >> so that we can meet the timelines. >> Yes ma'am. >> That's would be
017my suggestion. Yeah, I like that. >> You want a proposed budget to the board completed by April 20th? >> That's a special meeting. >> Special meeting that will give you more time if it by the end of April. >> It would have to be that week because when's the last Monday? >> The 27th. It has to be done before the 27th Monday the 27th. Have the 27th. >> No, no, you can't do that. That's the day you have to get it to the journal. Is that what you're telling? >> Okay. The day before you Sunday, Thursday. >> Well, I guess my point is that the record be on April 20th. Actually, it's not. It's because of the last meeting. Um, but if it's around the 20th, that is that week that have to be done.
018So, why not just do get it done by that? I mean, is that possible? >> It's possible for me depending on the board. Yes, the short is possible. >> Well, so much for indulging the poor >> in church. [laughter] >> It's possible for us. >> Yes. >> Oh, where's my baboon [laughter] here? >> To be happy. >> We can do that. Yes, we can meet that. We can meet that expectation for sure. >> Okay. >> Moving on. >> I didn't take that long. >> [laughter] >> But the rest of is pretty muchformational and there may be some questions and we'll be more than glad to answer them here. This is historically shown our fund balance over the last seven years since 2017 projected finish this fiscal year that we're in and again always show that
019our fund balance was declining before co 63 million influx in federal funds during povertion and as you see in 25 and 26 we have spend spending out reserves and and in front of you guys they give you a packet that kind of to remind you of what the request us were in 25 and in 26. I brought that reserve back down just in case you have any questions. With that being said, if we finish 2026 at this pace, we'll have about a 10.6% reserve balance fund reserve balance. And again, I think the board should not spend up reserves and maintain if not build our reserve balance for the future. With that said, this is what we do know so far that will impact the budget. It's not a lot right now because again the legislation
020is bad, legislators are bad and before we have any information that's values we do know that we have decreased enrollment of 200 students and I have estimates that have to be almost 1.5 million in funding hoping or expecting that our assessed values will be increased enough for excess levy and regular levy to offset that. I think we can find where where that leaves us. But with that, we are in formula professional services and support. You can see the numbers there. It's almost 300 staff that work for formula. Those are just staff members that are within formula. There's obviously quite a few staff that aren't part of the formula like the central office, finance, HR, and a whole bunch of other positions. And we're about 84 positions there that the county pays. So, we're I know
021like the treasures not >> OT's PTS child nutrition director HR finance IT I mean there's quite SRO's or school safety officers and there's there's a list of >> okay so [clears throat] I'm just looking at your three categories here you have 18 to almost 19 for support >> and are you support >> no that be your nurses attendance office uh counters council driver >> social workers >> and but you are are you part of >> we're not in any of these numbers these numbers are what's what positions qualify for state a funding and are over state a funding >> okay so what's what's the category you just mentioned that you and >> we are called county funded it's a code four and certified list and there's 84 staff >> and how many >> 84 I
022believe >> 84 Okay, thank you. >> Um, we also expect to decrease our interest income next year. Obviously, we're spending our reserves, so we have less cash from the bank and the uh federal interest rates appear to continue to come down. So, with those two factors, we'll expect less than interest income in fiscal year 27. Uh, until we get the numbers from the county on March 3rd for the certified assess values, we don't know what that impact will be. Uh the state has already said they would have a 3% increase or proposed 3% increase in PIA premiums. Um we don't know what the legislative change will be because they just started session today and of course we have several construction projects that we need to finish but some of them haven't been put out yet
023so we don't know what the impact of those will be. >> I'm sorry. Uh can we go back to the staffing formula? Um the we added the 60 um third grade aids which definitely put us over formula and then second grade aids put us over formula >> where those happened and the state adjusted the formula numbers for those positions. >> So so with the adjustment then why are we so over in service? Is it because of special ed? >> It is. >> Well, I mean, mainly special ed. >> Yeah. >> When the other thing is is that because we did have that first time dip in a while in enrollment, that also makes, you know, you get funded for less positions and so your your positions are going to your over is going to increase
024because we didn't really cut that many positions last year. Now, we did reduce um ECATs at the prek level. Um and then of course we did redistrict you know district office uh you know restructure in which reduced positions all those positions would have probably not been in state aid anyway. All service personnel are state aid. All service um again any employee any service personnel is over 200 days off. So it's more than one position one FTE. So if you're 261 day search personnel you count as more 33. >> So that's part of part of the 199 that we're over. >> Okay. >> Um Mr. about the [clears throat] other thing I just would you give an est a not a number figure but would it be fair to say that we believe that the changing
025regular excess levy property values are really what's going to be able to offset that decrease in enrollment number of the one and a half million >> yeah I mentioned that that we expect the increased assessed value to continue to be positive for Berkeley County again if you recall for the last several years we'll cut these budget meetings when we get the actual from the county. While the increases is there, it's not as high as has been in prior years. For instance, continue two years ago might have been the 5 million increase. Last year was three and a half million. This year two, two and a half, three, we don't know yet. So, this is a snapshot of where we are as of December 31st. There's two there's a couple titles. The first one is where
026we were uh on December 31st of 2025. Those are actual numbers obviously the year has passed. Fiscal year 26 again is the first six months of this fiscal year. Okay. The revenue numbers are fiscical year 26 budget is the entire year's budget. And the last column is what percentage of the budget have already collected. And if you have any questions I can go over there's different reasons why the numbers look the way they do. For example, property taxes you know you collect that twice a year. Some people take advantage of the discount pay early. So that's why that number is running ahead local one other again right now our P card uh earnings are higher than what we budgeted the state they pay on the schedule we will eventually get to 100% there but that's
027on a state payment schedule federal or Medicaid we don't get that till the end of the year when we do our false settlement so that's why it looks really low and of course transfers again has has to do with Medicaid so until we get the Medicaid money in we don't transfer that out so in total fiscal year 26 for the first six months of fiscal year require $141,314,79. >> Do we get our Medicaid money periodically? >> Yes. Um it's not where it should be and Dr. Dax and I have been actually discussing very recently and we have plan to address that with >> I have actually a call on Friday um uh with someone who uh can analyze the the process and the procedures we go about through our Medicaid billing. Um, and uh, I
028I don't want to overpromise and underdel, but the indiv individual has a strong history in working with districts across the country um, in improving their Medicaid billing um, and uh, so we're going to have just a consultation call to see if there might be a possibility he could help Berkeley out um, in analyzing how we can utilize Medicaid billing in a more effective way to capture more of what we're eligible to bill work. So, >> well, even billing in a timely manner wouldn't help. >> It would. >> But but [clears throat] the recent passing bill what we've done in the past may be adversely impacted by the changes in that law >> that I'm not aware of. But the West Virginia is now a a false reimburse method and not a fee for service reimbursement
029for Medicare. We've been like that for several years now. So basically in a nutshell to describe the process you can build throughout the school year but at the end of the year you're going to reconcile what you should have been paid based upon everything cost. So if you don't build all year long you get at the end of year we're trying to collect it during the year. So we obviously that's the type of earnings on that and again the process you don't lose the ability to build. Yeah, I may I I hear you there talking to her. I'm sitting here listening reading the Gazette and everything else. And what they're saying is that the Medicaid is going to take a big hit at the federal level. So no matter what we've done in the past,
030it's going to be a whole new ball game in the future. What you're going to be able to pay for what what you can expect. Well, but you have to be we have to be more consistent of building of what we're are of what we're going to get. >> And I think that's the >> that's a issue. It's not the that other what you're referring to. >> I I think Mer right now reimbursement. >> I do think Mr. Murphy brings up a a very good point. I'm glad that he brings it up. I think that's also the benefit of having someone who understands and is is monitoring those changes at the federal level so that one one we can capture what the how the current law works to capture the most but also the foresight
031to see well here's how it's evolving so we can position ourselves very well to capture it and evolve with it and we're not behind the eightball also >> and how it affects us. That's right. That's what Mr. Murphy just was getting. Yes. Yes ma'am. All right, this next slide and I'm going to read the whole slide obviously, but this is the expense the same premises as the revenue slide before uh this is for the first six months of the fiscal year. Uh I know it looks like we spent 104 million and we brought in 141 million for the prior slide, but again the way we process we do four car payrolls in the summer. So those would be in this number and we also do the the sickly bonus at the end of the year.
032So none of that's in here. So a lot looks like the very first line of benefits we've only spent 34% of our budget. That's true through today, but we're spend a whole lot more in the second half when we get to the end of the year. >> Things that we need to consider as we move forward this year is our textbook adoption that we looked at fiscal year 27. We don't really see anything major coming. Fiscal year 28, we have ELA adoption. Fiscal year 29, science adoption, the big math adoption, and 30. So 27 doesn't look like it's going to be a heavy expense year for us for the textbook adoption, but we should put money aside for future years because those are large purchase. You know, this continues to be an area that we
033need to focus on as the trans contract service and speeches to name a couple of them. We need to get a handle on those. Again, we haven't met with any of the staff or any principles get programmatic requests. Uh again, we have property we want to buy future properties. We need to talk about that. We want those numbers in the budget. And then beyond everything else that normally happens with the pay tables, we have just the general other expenses for perfect about 75 million dollars worth of expense outside of payroll that you know we try to put an increase in there based on consumer price index. >> Where does summer school fall in our budget? >> I'm sorry, say that again. >> Where does summer school fall in our budget? >> It's in our general
034fund. >> Okay. the I know we budgeted for summer school. >> Yeah, it's actually one of the handouts I think or maybe I didn't print that page, but last year we've added I think it's 333,000 for summer school. I can't recall what it was in the budget prop, but I can look at last year's slides and they get that number for us, but we expect to run it again this year. It was my understanding >> if Well, it so it's budgeted for at least in June, >> you know, and so it would be determined what we what services we would have for July. Correct. Um, but I think to Jim's point, we are planning to offer summer school based upon this year's last year's number. Yeah. >> I I would like to request that we
035don't that we don't over that we don't spend any more than we're budgeting for anything that's brought to you or you or you get what I'm saying? >> Oh, yeah. >> No. Say again. Is that what I'm saying? >> No. Say again. >> I think she wants a flat budget is what I'm hearing. >> Is that what you're asking? I want I would like um to stay within our budget for the rest of the year is what I'm saying. >> Okay. >> No, we don't want we don't want to approve anything that wasn't already approved in the past. It's been budgeted. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We do that on a regular basis. That was back in service. Now we get special ed students. Well, that that I get I'm talking about >> other
036program requests or um >> you get what I'm saying? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, you said that. >> I didn't hear it. You know, in last year, there's a couple of car that we had on last year's superintendent initiative. Some of those we've already addressed, but car safety school officer personnel. >> Um, I think we still want to expand that other school. >> Again, it's just it's up it's up for discussion. So, >> and then of course, we're always dealing with track with the number of buildings that we have. Then the next slide is u what we've received so far. We had the time of putting this other things together from the board of course and again I don't know if you want to go through everything in one of them. These are requests. Obviously
037we have no numbers to know what our revenue numbers are but again in the past two years the board has approved an additional 1,250 uh in the housing allowance this year. I think the request from the board is to make it a permanent amount. um CT feature step increases based upon up to six years of experience outside of the school system. I think there's an increase request for the nurses. U currently they get $500 of school. So if we move over $750 per school be $8,000. Obviously we've always provided the nurses for whatever plan they absolutely have to have to perform. Um, there was an request to increase the principal contract date to five. That's about $92,000 to do that. I'm not going to read through all the rest of them. I think 10 and
038and one are similar. I think the $100 per month is meant to offset the PIA and I think there will be some discussion around that in the future. Then once we get some numbers from the county, the state of where we stand on how we're going to handle basically all this and then there's a request for two more ISS for the intermediate schools. Um maybe you and I talked I've asked you so many questions but I I get where I asked you and where I failed to ask but on the very first one the housing when I was reading the order for 25 page 10 but but you're saying it's 4.5 billion and it And here you're talking about the decrease in the 46 to 43. >> Well, the decrease of our financial statement. That's
039not the amount of this amount. Majority of student housing class. If we didn't have a housing up, we would had an increase, not a decrease. >> I know, but the decrease is 3.5 million. >> We had other revenues, too. >> You're looking you're trying to make two. This is >> I'm trying to whittle down billion dollar cost. No, no. Okay. >> This is the offset between the four and a half that we spent and the additional revenue that came in, >> which means the three and a half was not the house. >> Okay. >> Our revenues exceeded the the projected budget is basically what you're saying. Correct. >> But the audit said that the decreases, >> but the decrease in the bumps, not not the house. >> All right. Well, so I'm just trying to
040whittle that 4.5 down to 3.5. said it's here. >> Nice try. >> If we get additional if we get additional revenue, then it does. >> Well, I got another question later for that. >> And that's that's it. That's that's my presentation where we were today. >> I would say questions for Mr. But we've been asking them all, but >> and they're good and they're good questions. I think what I need to point out again that you I did give you guys a packet in the first page of that packet the stories that's been in the news about school district while we are healthy right now with the 10.6 six reserve. I think again we need to present a balanced budget for lots of reasons. One, not just that, but the unions move forward. There's obviously
041no board election coming up. We can't have a new board and I don't think one board should pay the other board with a with a deficit. >> Yeah, we agree that we agree with that. >> I wouldn't but okay. I don't want to have a deficit period. Not irrespective of we didn't manage all 20 wise, >> right? >> I think the fact that we are one of the top counties in our state that is transparent, that is trying to be fiscally responsible with the money that we've been given is tremendous. Um, and I'm I'm happy. I wish I could I me personally, I'm only talking about me, I wish we could just wave magic wand and make all these wish lists happen. um that's not going to happen. >> Well, it is about choices and
042Mr. Martin and I were talking earlier is you know if the housing amounts are so important to put that in perspective it would have to be about 40 professional and 40 service since that were eliminated to pay for something like that. we do not have a funded source uh that will therefore an increase in housing >> and that's in order to bring a balanced budget and uh I I do want to say that as Mr. But and I have done some preliminary work on on the budget. We do believe that um bringing a balanced budget is is very doable um and to be able to live within our means with um very little uh very little if any uh consternation that would be put on um our schools or our our staff. And what I
043mean by that is is that a lot of times if a school district is operating in the red in order to get to that balanced budget, they have to make some serious sit serious dis uh uh tough decisions that impact the classroom and impact the schools. >> Yeah. >> I I believe that working with Mr. Buts that we can bring to the board a balanced budget that does not cause that kind of frustration at the school level. Um in fact I feel very confident about it. Uh but it does mean that some of the board initiative things would have to you know there have to be some give and take and I think that the board um has been very conscientious uh in making sure that we're prioritizing things because we had a fund balance
044that allowed us to do so. Um, and it's it's very easy to, I think, justify why we've been able to add an influx for so long and then maybe we might have to tighten it up a little bit. Um, the other thing to really think about also is the ability to bring a balanced budget um, and not have to use our fund balance to balance anything. I think is also a very important strategic step because the next thing we're going to be talking about is the school the school bonds. And if the voters approve our bond measure that you all put forward in May, um the the next step for us is going to be is to to get another financial rating. um whether that be through standard and poor or from Moody's and them
045being able to see uh that the district, you know, when they had the available reserves to be able to do things, but then they have the tenacity to be able to rein it back in when when it's important will also, I think, very much help um any type of rating that that they would be looking at us for, you know, um and and I believe, if I'm correct, the last time the board went through that, they got uh the strongest rating in the state's history, >> which is to be commended. And we want to be able to keep that momentum because then what that means is that when the bond goes to sell, then one, we can get a better interest rate on the sale of those bonds for our taxpayers, which lowers the tax
046burden also. So, it's a it is a a very strategic and and and fiscally responsible move is to try to bring a a balanced budget. And Mr. Buts and I are u in lock step in being able to bring something that this I think this board can be proud of and again that uh brings very little consternation if anything to to our schools uh from an operational standpoint. I I I do you know the the board initiatives this board definitely knows this is a wish list and we did well last year whittling that wish list down to where it was uh manageable and and and made things off that we knew were not >> we've also talked about something like a housing allowance you know since we do not pay it out until November anyway
047whoever the next board is would have that opportunity looking at once fiscal year 26 was closed where we actually ended up to see if that was something that they would support. >> Yeah. >> And that's a great point Mr. Buts just to highlight that a little bit more. >> Sure. you know >> uh to to um to put that in perspective what I am suggesting is that because we know that the recruitment and the retention of our employees is so important and the housing allowance is a really good piece of of incentive that we do for our employees is that um because as an example that where Mr. buts were sharing that our revenues increased incre our revenues exceeded our our projections from last year. If we were to finish the 2026 school year and
048in June on June 30th we were to have additional revenue that was unpredicted that you know uh would be going into our fund balance anyway that we give the board the opportunity to say well instead of us putting that right back into our fund balance how about we pass that on to our educators and our our service personnel and use whatever that increase is for that November payment and give that board at that point in July or or or early August the September, I'm sorry, because you got to do finish by in September, the ability to say, "Okay, here's here was how our revenues were exceeded and let's pass that on to our our employees." That could be one option. Now, that's given that will we have a a a revenue um or I'm sorry,
049a a a surplus that was unpredicted? I I can't answer that question yet. We we we could have a we could have it less than what we predicted. So >> I'll be happy with break even year. >> We'll be happy with a break even year. But I'm I think it gives the board that flexibility to say we're not saying we uh we're saying we can't put it in the budget right now, but if revenue projections in or revenue uh collection is higher than anticipated, we can consider it. Well, CL to to clarify, you're you're talking about the 1250 added on to uh you're not talking about the >> the additional Yes. >> We're talking about 1250 that we added on last year, >> correct? >> And the year before, I think, too. Because we have
050always said that we didn't know how long we could maintain >> the additional. So, yeah. Yeah. I just want to make sure that >> the 800, the 900, and the,000 the policy would remain. A quick question. >> Um conversation with Mr. Martin, but you say if um we had about the budget professional and 40 service. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. I didn't know it. >> If you want to maintain a $4 million item in the budget above what was allowed, >> right? Okay. I just want to make sure that or so. >> Well, that's to be clear, that's an example, right? because you know I mean based upon those salaries you know you could do one more of one compared to more of another but in essence to give you a picture of what it
051would take is is 40 and 40 right I guess my point there is 75 80% of our budget is personnel right and the 74 million I mentioned already that's left in nonpersonnel cost or utilities child nutrition something you just can't cut so if we're looking at where the issues are it's in personnel with 300 staff I'll just give you a a warning the conversation I just heard you say about September and see where we are with revenue >> and the whether we maintain the 1250 or we can't do it'll be reliant upon whether we uh we have the money when we gave the principles the increase to 250 we didn't tell them, but we have the money. Next year, we'll do it. That's permanent now. And I'm just sitting there saying that things can come
052up and say, well, it's a greater priority than this. And I would hate to be cutting. And I matter of fact, I probably won't be agreement with putting that money out there in September, waiting for come about. Then some other priorities jump in and and they they get bought. I uh I just feel that it helps us with our employees when they get that in November. It's it's across the board. Everybody gets it. I don't think anybody gets more than 1250 based on >> 450 is the additional >> 450 is the addition on top. >> I know I know it's additional but I'm saying if they got it the year before they got it this year and we say well this was additional money and I'm not sitting here on the board to to do
053fight for it. I'd rather that when I put my list together I said let's make it permanent. Let's figure out a way to make it permanent. And I and I I'm going to go down fight for that. >> Well, I would like to make it permanent, too. I just don't know how without putting it in the pay table. And not I'm not agreeable with that. >> Well, I pay for two different things. Make it permanent. We have to pay for >> I'm saying that if you have to make cuts, you cut other places. Don't cut the the people down. Cut the people next November. And you say, "Well, I'm sorry. We don't have it. We have these other priorities." So, we're going to find them. Well, and that's where I would say that when we're
054going through this, if I'm looking at having to pay one versus the other, I'm going to go with number one, not number 10. >> Oh, yeah. >> I mean, that's that's where my that that's where I go because that >> Yeah. Well, we made we made it through policy the 89 $1,000. And I just like to see that 89 $1,000 policy expanded to 22. My point to to Tim was that that's to most people a a a an issue just as much as getting the housing allowance. But I get that you can't you can't do both. It's one or the other. >> And I'm not sure that you can either do >> either. But that's something we will have to work on and as we work through all this. Why I think we kind of
055need the charge is as we're heading into staffing season. >> I think I I I have a sneaking suspicion that as we go through this legislative season, some of the decisions that we're we're going to be making might might have some influence based on what is determined down in Charleston. >> Well, does Reason why I'm saying that? Hold on. Hold on. If there's some sort of passing of locality pay, and I'm always hopeful that we're gonna this is the year that it'll happen. Number 10 might not be needed. And I say that loosely, guys. Come on. I I say it loosely in the sense of I I know everybody would want to have have a hundred extra dollars a month, but we're doing that if I'm understanding number 10's in in idea or incentive behind
056it is we can't do other things. So, can we do this as a way to keep staff here because of salary? I I'm just saying that might not necessarily be something we have to worry about. Maybe >> let me mention this just so we're all >> and I know that you're going to go to that next section, but in the locality pay, I'm thinking the state can pay for it. Okay. I'm just saying. >> No, they don't. >> I'm dreaming. Look, if I'm going to dream, I'm going to dream good. Well, I think what I'm trying to say though is that the state does that, they do not pay for those 300 staff over and they don't pay for anybody county funded. Correct. And then anybody fally funded in a federal grant more of that
057grant and those people that can no longer support that number of people. But in my mind, we were if they change how they're doing this, I know if we change how we're how if they they do this the way that they're supposed to, hear me, legislators, if you do this the way you're supposed to, we will be in formula >> more than what we are over. >> What are you talking about? If they do it the way they're supposed to, >> meaning they ask, >> you don't know much about the formula. I can tell you that. with that language if you're you're talking about them doing it the way they're supposed to. >> The problem is the formula hasn't been adjusted to account for anything the growth the IT infrastructure the things that are going
058on that we are dealing with in today's age versus when it was created. I understand the formula in so far as it's antiquated and they're going to need to change it and if they change it we would be more in formula than we are out of formula the way we are now. Does that does that make sense? Yeah, I think they will change it, but I don't think it'll be enough that it will give us big changes. >> Well, they've also talked about scrapping it, just giving us a lump sum of money and do it do whatever you want with it, which could also be a problem. >> Definitely. Correct. >> A lump sum that is not nearly enough what we need, but we're basically the same as what we're getting now. It doesn't solve
059any problem. Why? And that's why I'm saying if the legislator does legislators legislators do this correctly and address the root issue, the root cause of all the angst with this, then we might not have to have that conversation. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I don't think >> that's my hope. >> Take all the rainy day. They not going to do that. But that's another >> Stop being pessimistic. I know about the forecast. >> Well, let's we can save this discussion for uh when we go to next meeting and then we will have to stay really on track then we're getting we always get off track. >> Yeah, we have >> Mr. But thank you so much. Thank you for listening to our >> Okay, >> next on the agenda presentation, Dr. Sax and Dr. >> Thank
060you. >> Um, thank you, Madam President and board members. Um, we uh I want to I want to welcome um uh Mr. Joe Nassiff. he's he's on virtually there. Um, and uh, this this part I'd like to just sort of make quick because the the me the nuts and the bolts of of this work session I'd like to be able to try to get to so we can start talking about the different projects that, you know, we really need the board to consider and help us prioritize in um, a potential bond call measure. Um, the first thing I want to I want to do and then I'll probably ask Mr. Nassiff just to one verify that what I'm saying is correct and then maybe highlight any questions the board may may have um is there's
061a an Excel sheet that you have here. Um, and at the top of the Excel sheet, Mr. Nass, you may not be able to see this and that but you'll know what I'm talking about here pretty quickly. >> I'm actually trying to get it on my phone now. because I thought I'm a thousand freaking emails. You cannot be in a school doing walkthroughs and checking your email and and I do skim my phone all the time. But you just can't be everywhere at one time, right? You just can't. Hurt my foot and >> I'm trying to make I'm trying to get on my phone then when I get in my car it'll wake up and I always sit on the way home but because Holly's like Louis trying to make that you know how it
062is leaving. Well, kind of like said, "Yeah, I'm leaving." But then I came back because I was like, "I gotta come back to my desk. I I cannot do >> mut." >> I don't know. He's in his office, I guess. >> He's under Dr. Woods. >> What happened? >> Okay. All right. So, uh, so >> getting getting uh getting >> [laughter] >> So getting back on track um the So if you look at the Excel sheet that we have here um >> no there goes there um you'll see that the number that we're working from here is going to be um $157.5 million. Uh and the way that we've ra uh arrived at $157 million is uh the first is the bond funds available $112,500,000. And I want to give some context around how we've
063gotten to that that number and then uh $45,000 of matching $45 million um of matching funds from the school building authority. And again, that's a placeholder based upon um conversations that we are are having with the school building authority to see if uh they will agree to give us uh the blessing to add a uh an amount to our bond call because anything that we do in the bond um we have to be able to outline how we're how we're paying for it whether it be bond funds, school building authority funds or district general fund. So the I want to start here first with the the bond funds available. While our bonding capacity is several hundred million that doesn't mean that means that that's all based upon you know local levy rates and taxes on
064the on our citizens. Um, and so taking a look at uh where we currently stand, um, we had a bond from 2014 that just recently expired. And so our citizens have actually seen a a tax uh reduction because that bond expired. Um, but back in 2022, we had um the 2014 bond still in existence and we went to the voters. uh Berkeley County went to the voters and we have tried to as closely as possible uh mirror what that number was that we asked the voters to approve uh for example on a $200,000 home. Um this number reflects uh pretty close to it. It's not exact, but it's pretty close. Um and so that's that's where we've arrived at 112.5 million if we were to be exactly at the number that the voters approved. Uh,
065and it's the difference of of dollars and cents. Uh, and and I can have Mr. NASF just sort of explain that very quickly. Um, we'd be like around 95 million, I believe. And so, um, the 1125 with the SBA's hopeful match of 45 million gets us to an amount that I feel based upon the board's priorities, we can do a lot of good for our students um, and the four different areas of our community. uh based upon the work that that you all have already done as it related to updating our facility plan. And so we can go through that here in a second, but Mr. Nassf, can you uh just explain maybe to the board uh or correct anything I may have said? >> No, I think you're uh everything you said is correct.
066The um we went back and looked at what levy rates the voters approved under that bond election order 2023. And our goal was to try to [clears throat] come up with a project amount uh that would be supported by a very similar um bond election levy. And I think at when I went back and look at the samples that the bo that the board here kind of looked at and approved um it was roughly $227 per month is kind of what we calculated based on the proposed and the existing bonds at that I'm sorry per year um for a $200,000 home. The amount uh based on the current levy rate slightly higher is $243. So, um, roughly $15 increase total for annually. Um, but that kind of it kind of meets kind of what the
067board's desire was to kind of fund kind of a slightly larger project. So, I would say it's in line certainly with what the voters uh authorized the board to move forward with in 2023. Uh, and and then of course another important nuance is that's what the board authorized in 2022 given what I would say was the worst case scenario, the highest of an interest rate and um um and the levy rates where they were. What's nice is that the board was able to sell the bond at a lower rate than what was was possible which was a savings to the board or savings to the the community as well. And so when we talk about authorization, we're saying this is the worst case scenario. you know, our hope is that when we are able to
068actually advertise those bonds and sell those bonds, um, that the the interest rate comes in lower. And so, for the estimation purposes on this $12.5 million, I believe is 5.5% over a 15ear period. >> Um, and again, it's just a starting point. Um, Mr. Nassip will be presenting at our uh, Monday meeting so that um, the board has time to digest this number. uh we have documents that we we can share so you can see the actual levy rates and and on the on the property values and so on and so forth so that we can refine that uh that number if we want to with Mr. Nassf um at our July our January 20th uh board meeting >> um so I just wanted to give some context of where that 1125 showed up. I
069would I would prefer if if the board the board board is okay with it, comfortable with it, let's let's not get into the nuances of that quite yet. If there's some uncomfortable with this uncomfortableness with it because it's too high or too low based upon the conversations we have on the projects, give me that feedback so that I can share that with Mr. NASA and he can run some other scenarios in preparation for the the the uh the the meeting on the 20th. And even at the meeting on the 20th, the feedback he gets, he can also reconfigure things so that we're prepared for February 2nd. >> Correct. >> Uh the SBA funds, um you know, again, we're we're hoping to uh have authorization from the school building authority, uh like I said, for a
070$45 million, uh match for our our bond. Um, and I'm optimistic that we're having very good conversations and that hopefully we uh will be able to achieve as much of that as possible. Um, if the SBA was to, you know, obviously only be able to commit uh a a portion of that that we we hope to be able to have here in the next week or two to be able to share with the board. Um, so that if we need to refine that more for the February 2nd board meeting, we can do so. Are there any questions as it relates to what I've covered just to get to that number before we start talking about the projects? >> If I'm nice to deal with you again, I remember uh your participation back on the last
071bond we passed and that's that's for the nature of my question. Okay, you have an election in May. You know if it's passed at that point and then it was a very long drawn out process. I remember you had a timeline that we went through. Mr. Stevens was the superintendent at the time. >> When would you be selling the bonds if it passed in May? And I I know you don't have a crystal ball there that clears everything, but with everything going on in Washington with the Fed, what kind of scary scenarios do we have to worry about when we reach that date of sale? That's a good question. You know, that's one reason we have set the interest rate at 5.5% for the bond election order. Today's rate if you were in the market
072would be 150 basis points lower. Um and so we have a lot of cushion there. Um the expectation uh for the remainder of this year are some rate cuts. Obviously, there's also expectation that um that you know longer term in this case 15-year bonds like you're looking at are going to be less impacted than let's say shortterm interest rates and so we're pretty comfortable with this 5 550 starting point and we would expect that rate obviously to come in lower. Now, the bond sale date with a May election, we'd be looking to get started on the bond in late fall of the year, and we would want to close as close as possible to when the new certified values would become available um and when those levy rates are set for the following tax year.
073So, we would expect uh as as early as March uh to have the bonds um sold and closed and those funds being available to the board. Um I think any earlier would might be a little bit difficult because we do we we could do it but I think for the most part um couple things working against us. One superintendent if I recall the SBA's final decisions that December, correct? And so uh the attorney general uh at whoever that's McCusky right now to the extent uh we get good you know we we'd want to have that approval um in or that decision at least in place at before we start that process. So I in summary March of 27 is a good planning date as early as that date. Um it would also mean that you
074would have to set aside zero funds to pay any interest and basically we can capture the next fiscal year's levy. Um and so that's the optimal date. So the real risk would be between now and March. So one year >> Mr. Nass the other thing of being able to have zero interest saves like what $4.5 million. Am I correct? >> Yeah. I mean, at 12 months of interest at five, you know, if it's 4%, it's it's it's substantial, right? 400 almost $450,000 in interest. Uh 4.4 million. Let's see, 10 million would be 11. So, divide that be $4 million of interest for six months. But the the what we've been able to put together here is is really zero uh interest would have to be levied for uh in terms of um you know, we
075wouldn't use any of these project funds for interest. we'd be able to fully levy beginning the first um first first year and that would be for that fiscal year ending June 3028 and you know commencing 27 after March June 1. Another really important point that I want the board to be aware of though is and I'm not I I can't speak to how it has occurred in the past, but once we know that the that this the bond has been certified by uh the county commission um and we're and the and the we're going down the the the the road for SBA final approval and selling the bonds, we can begin the work and we can actually make certain purchases and then reimburse ourselves with bond funds. um to up to a certain extent. So
076the work >> does not have to wait until we actually sell the bonds. Um and and that that's a lot of that's even like the architectural services and those types of things. We can begin that work so that when the bonds are sold, we can reimburse ourselves and then that way the community sees, oh, they're moving ahead. >> We're not, you know, we're not delaying things. Um which I think is another concern that needs to be addressed. So, I apologize. >> No, you would be able to uh That's a very good point that even with a successful passage, it'll take months to get the engineering done. We were forecasting that maybe being October, November, December having the engineering done. Then you've got to bid the project out. Uh and that's a, you know, that's you
077have to advertise for bids. You're going to have to review the bids. So, you know, really you're we're not that far behind schedule in terms of a March issuance. to me that that would just be a couple months after you probably would be able to award your bids. Uh and as the superintendent said, you can, you know, to the extent it's a uh an reimburseable cost, you'll be able to proceed with the project immediately and start incurring costs and then your bond council ultimately would um authorize that and then when bonds are sold, you'd immediately be reimbursed. So if there was like a land acquisition to your engineering costs u things like that can be reimbured. The only risk would be is if you never did a bond right and then that case uh you
078know there you have to wait until you did do a bond in order to reimburse yourself. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? All right. So Mr. Nasset, I want to thank you for being a part of it today. Um, and like I said, I'll I'll collect some feedback uh, ancillary and we'll have an update for you in preparation for next Monday or next Tuesday. >> Great. And I want to apologize not be there in person next week again. Uh, I'll have a bow tie on next time so you all remember me if you don't remember me from the last time, but I will be also virtual. I'll have I'll unfortunately have to zoom in for that meeting, but looking forward to Tuesday. And anything in the meantime, any questions you have, please forward to
079um superintendent and we can work on those prior to the meeting. Any scenarios? >> And we will have council from both this. Yeah, >> correct. >> Thank you. Have a good evening. >> All right. >> So, um moving on. So, that so now you have an understanding of how we got to 1575. Um, I would like to just sort of bring to your attention what we have now is we have our Excel sheet. Um, and is there a way for us to share that? Perfect. Um, and so what you have here, I just want to go over this Excel sheet so so that everybody sort of understands what we're looking at. The first column you have are pro the the the projects that are in alignment with our CFP. Um, and since the publishing of
080this, there will be one or two little minor tweaks. And as we go through each of the projects real quickly, I I'll share with you what those are going to be and and reflected here. Then we have our estimated cost. And this estimated cost is based upon numbers that have been generated through um our CFP uh amendment process in the fall. Um, but what we are doing is we are actively working with our pre-bond um architectural architect McKinley. And I just want to say that they're so they're looking to uh refine these numbers to to best capture the actual cost. So they're doing some scope and sequencing. They're looking at for example tomorrow um we're taking a group of Hedgesville Middle School STE teachers to a brand new middle school in Wen uh for them
081to give us feedback as to well we would want to have this or this you know it's really important for our school to have this type of um uh resource or what have you. so that we can again maybe it's an auditorium, maybe it's a um a mezzanine in the gym or or whatever it may be so that they can best estimate the cost of the new middle school project on the site that that we're looking at which is over off of the the near the Rumsy property. Um the same thing for the CTE center. Uh working to make sure that the programs that we're looking at adding to the CTE center, what's it going to cost to build out those spaces to make sure that again that number is best reflected. Um and so
082for each of the projects you see there, our architect has been working very active in in uh cost estimating those projects to make sure that they are the best number possible so that when we whatever you select when it when we get to two years down the road and we're putting these things out to bid that we haven't underestimated the cost of the project. Um and and we can live within the what we've told the voters and we've committed ourselves to the voters. Um, and with that being said, I really want to give McKenley architects uh some major props because they have been very hard at work. U, we've had countless meetings. Uh, they were here today actually going through several of the high schools, look at the cafeteria spaces. Um, we had a conversation
083today with McKenley and the state uh DOH on the Spring Mills um, uh, campus road work. Um and and again, it's just been a very collaborative conversation and they've been very responsive and they're really working hard to make sure that we can refine these numbers. Um and and to make sure that what we need for Berkeley County or what South Middle School needs in an addition or what Hedgesville needs in addition or what Hedgesville Middle School needs, they're they're listening and I want to say thank you. Um, so with that being said, let's kind of just give you an analysis of each of the projects. And so I'm going to ask Dr. Skoolie. Dr. Skoolie, if you could go uh project by project. Um, and of course you can see how the Excel sheet works.
084If we add the project there, it it sort of tells us what we have to work from over on the on the uh the left side. So you can see right now the projects that just tentatively that we have put there saying these are some suggestions. So you can see the bond fund. So, we've listed the um CTE Center, Hedgesville Middle School, South Middle School, Hedgesville High School Classroom Edition and Kitchen Cafeteria uh renovation. Um, Rosemont classroom, kitchen and cafeteria, media center, uh, improvement, Spring Mills, Connector Road, the Martinsburg High School kitchen and cafeteria, Muscleman High School kitchen and cafeteria, and then Muscleman High School football uh, >> Press box. Thank you. If you look at all those, those we're saying we're funding those and then we have the 45 million in the SBA column
085to match the CTE. If you look over in the right hand uh box that sits beside itself, you'll see the total remaining $5,314,000. That's if we were to select those things, we would still have $5 million we could still allocate toward um one of those projects that's on that list to add. Um at the same token, if you're like, well, at Hedgesville High School, for example, it's a $10 million project. What if we were just to commit ourselves to CLA to the cafeteria so that in the bond we're doing cafeteria renovations at those three high schools? How much would that save? Then we can go back to to our our architects and say, "Okay, if we didn't add the 10 class or the I don't know how many I think it's like 10 classrooms. If
086we weren't to do those 10 classrooms and just do the cafeteria, what would it cost?" Or vice versa. Let's just do the 10 classrooms and wait on the cafeteria. What would that bring it down to? So that if you're wanting to do as much as possible then then we can do that. So that gives you some context. So I'd like Dr. Skoolie to go project by project just summary. You all can read for yourself but as as he goes through them if you have questions we want to be able to answer them too. >> Okay. Uh good evening president law members of the board. Uh the first uh item that came out of the revised CF was the repurposing of an existing commercial space to be used as a CTE center. Uh this center would
087help to alleviate the overcrowding of our four high schools uh and provide uh ready to work services for our high school kids for about 700 students to 800 students uh when it's fully implemented here that they can be there half days, full days and to provide services to our community. uh long range planning and if you look there you'll see a list of the programs that McKinley is actually already starting to scope out u to make sure that there's enough space and so on and so forth. So, okay. The second item, which is off, it's on a older, this is an older spreadsheet you can see up on the screen, but is the fifth high school. Uh, if for some reason the CT center was not an area that you wanted to venture down and
088you wanted to look at an actual fifth high school to help with the overcrowding. Uh we have since talked with McKinley and HPM with estimation services and we believe a fifth high school will be closer to $120 million with athletic facilities and everything at that point. So that would be an increase on your sheets from 100 to $120 million. Uh the also concerned with this is as we're seeing now water and a water tower and some of those infrastructural concerns uh blasting of rock uh on that property and soil contamination. Third project uh listed is the replacement of Petville Middle. Uh this is uh looking at the portions of the building that's over 100 years old has been modified over the years in different sections of that school facility uh to provide an environment for
089student learning. Uh we're approximately 900 uh on opening day students that we be able to try to pull some of our middle school students from the Spring Mills area uh that way to be able to relieve some of the overcrowding in that building as well. Uh this will be a full-fledged uh building that if you're looking at the port property that is near Rumsy, the deeds there have some sort of CTE, adult learning type of component. So in order to do that, we're looking at some CTE coursework um and STEM that would be placed there at this middle school to provide that uh line for those students learning to feed into. But then eventually our CTE center that is something you would choose. Uh that the thing with that if this was the option that
090you were to choose you need to look then once we decide okay we're including Hville Middle. We got the bond for that purpose we built that what do we do with the existing school facility and where you uh what remains where what you do with that will be additional consideration for the board to take their place. My question, the fifth high school, I know you said the 120 million the uh and you had the water tower and everything else. Um but as I read the uh middle school here, you have vision as a media center, gymnasium and potential auditorium. Auditoriums are pretty expensive. Is an auditorium mix included in this 45 55 million or is it outside the 55 million? >> So that 55 originally came from um estimate general estimating when we went through
091the CFD process. That number will be refined to get a little bit more accurate picture once McKinley has determined based upon the vision setting committee. Do they are they asking for an auditorium to be included and then they'll be able to refine that number? >> It may not be a full-fledged turn that you're thinking of at their high schools. It might be something smaller that then opens up into a larger mezzanine area with bleachers into a gym or something like that that you could >> they get larger seating or assembly. Our present middle schools all have well no wrestling middle has an auditorium because it's part of the high school and that was a big issue back >> but that school aside I think the other five are just gymnasiums correct thank >> okay the
092next project will be south middle school edition this is looking at over the years There's portables have been there. We've had single portables, then we've had the gang portables at South Middle School. The entire, I believe, seventh grade wing is pretty much in the portables outside. So, this will get them back into the building. Uh, as well as to provide for some upgrades to HBAC, uniform flooring throughout the building. Uh, provide some of those needed uh renovations to the educational portions of the building. Uh but then once that's done, the portables are moved out, you're able to provide the black top to create uh staff parking because part of the staff parking that we're looking at the building be added on will be taken up with the new construction of the facility. >> Those rooms
093will go down >> toward No, the rooms will be going the other way towards trolley street where the staff parking is on that side of the building toward the shop. >> Can you get >> you would lean? Yeah. >> Can you get 15 rooms there? >> Two floors. Oh, 24. Okay. >> Why would we go the other way? >> Because you'd leave the existing classrooms there to be able to keep your students moving and build an additional time because you'd have to move the port. You have to because they're in the portables right now. You have to move the portables and then build where the portables are. Um and and and to be honest, we consulted with the school administration as to >> the logistics and some of the preferences that they have in the
094facility and they they would prefer that we look at that end of the building. Doesn't mean we can. It would just be another we would just have to look that up logistically. >> We have all that property there. But then but on the other side where the portables are now at least they have parking still recess area and so there's a lot of other upgrades in that area. Justin, before you move forward, I know that we have Mckenley here. The 12 million was again an estimation based upon the addition and really I think when that number was created with not accounting for the HVAC that uh CMTA had analyzed since then as well as possibly doing the flooring and those sort of things. I I was having a conversation with John just before we came
095in and they're pretty close to I think we're honing that and it's because of adding the HVAC to it is going to go up a little bit. Am I correct? >> Yeah. Between the HBC and the flooring probably another four million. >> So that number should really reflect um >> we have a little bit of the HBAC and the projects listed below right are getting >> so it be about 16 million >> more defined uh cost right now. So, it's being estimated, but that came in late tonight at >> about 16. >> So, that one we got 16. >> Yep. If you do [clears throat] you have the you got the ability to just put in 16 there. So, that's for South Middle School, right? Yep. >> Fifth high school. >> Yeah, it came out
096for some time. I'm not sure why. >> Okay. >> And then if you can go over to bond where it says 12 million, that bond column in the middle. Yep. >> And and make it change there. That'd be great. >> So that'll so when we do that that takes that total remaining down in the example just you know so 1.3 million left. So doesn't mean that things can't come on or off. I just wanted to share that with you. Thank you very much. >> Okay. As mentioned earlier, McKin part of the McKinley team and B County schools drew out into five different kitchens, I believe today. And one of those at the end was the Tomahawk uh gym captorium that they have there. They're the only intermediate withdup facility which creates interesting scheduling and unique
097scheduling for the school since they pretty much cannot offer their special rotations of the art music and PE during the lunch hours uh because that room is in use of the cafeteria at the time of cleaning. So you really are shrinking in the beginning and the end of the day for that space. So, there's been a request uh that we look at adding some sort of multi-purpose room cafeteria to that building. Since you already have a high spaced room, you don't need to build another hall space of a gymnasium. Uh and depending upon how that works, whether you add a new kitchen space or just reconfigure to go the other way while you're still building there. So, this would be to add another space there for tomahawk. Dr. Skoolie, before you move on, you make
098a great point. Under our current configuration, Tom Hawk is the only intermediate school that does not have the the the cafeteria and the auditorium or the cafeteria, gymnasium. But the three schools back to K5, what's their configuration? Just so the board has an awareness, Valley View is a gym and cafeteria is one room. Mil Creek are two separate rooms. and believe Booker Hill >> I think Booker Hill carry the chair. >> Okay. >> Just [clears throat] just wanted to put that in context for the board to be thinking about because >> the number >> what you do for one to justify may mean something later down the road too >> because you have your enrollment numbers you're looking at that's true >> right now the number of classes you have to get in during that
099time. Uh as we spoke earlier, part of uh the needs assessment was we submitted previously to the SBA the Hedgesville High School classroom addition to get the students out of the portable there, the gang portable on the side of the building, which swapping building that addition uh for those classrooms on the other end of the building as well then looking at how could we enlarge and modernize the kitchen and cafeteria to make it more appealing to the students as well as staff room. uh for this uh time period right for our students and trying to get the number as our high schools get larger trying to get space there for them to set each and uh during that time period. The same would be for the project at Rosemont. Looking at that facility, the small
100the small kitchen that they have there. Uh the gym and cafeteria there is actually again a shared space. Half's cafeteria, half gym. And you look at even the way the roof is designed in that area, but even part of the cafeteria is designed right now as a teacher work room and not necessarily in the whole cafeteria. Uh this will also add an addition of five class kindergarten classrooms to the building on the end uh towards the playground to remove the gang portable there to get students out of the learning cottages into the actual building for safety. >> Going back to Hezville with the classroom additions, how many students in that one? And then same thing that >> because of the rotating schedule, you're going to have a variety of students. I believe that was Edville
101has a 10 classroom. >> Uh yes, eight believe it was eight. >> Two floors one floor one floor eight classrooms at Edgeville High. >> Okay. >> And then Rosemont. >> So 200 student was five kindergart in your current portables. I think there's an eight eight classroom portable out there now. >> So if you take that portable would be demolished or sold or whatever afterwards. effective go high has had some moisture issues. So we've had pipes coming out of the wall trying to cut down on the moisture in the classroom >> mold last year constant there. >> Yeah, there's there's several portable around the county is not great shape. >> No way. So >> I think the number of students is what 13.5 for head. That's correct. >> 134 and then Rosemont I think you >>
102kindergarten classrooms right around 400 kids. >> Yeah. >> Building the score is like 125. you I mean at the max 23 >> but that's how many seats uh because but students rotate throughout those like throughout the day >> in the high school >> so more students are yeah at the high school so I I just want like we're in kindergarten we're just talking about those are kindergarten kids that are in those classrooms every day >> at the high school you're going to have a rotation so each section is going to see each classroom probably see 120 students a day if that makes sense yeah just based upon a seven period day >> yeah So more kids will experience the new facility >> at high school >> comparatively speaking. Not saying one's better than the other
103just to share that information. So >> appreciate that. >> I just want to say that because if Rosemont was thinking that I was saying that but our high school population irrespective is always going to be significantly higher than any than any uh middle you know middle school or any then subsequent intermediate or primary. It just is. >> Absolutely. The next project uh that's being submitted to you for your consideration is uh campus drive expansion and safety improvements. Uh we've added from the last uh bond work and construction work the access road to PTOIC intermediates to come off that. Uh we've worked with them and the school to be able to try to get parents off of Route 11 and then caused a little bit of issues with campus drive but that's we're working on that
104as well. But what is being requested now is possible a turning lane down the center of campus drive from where that access road there to the turning of special events pretty much as well as we're already starting discussion with county commission parks and rec department highway about what's the possibility of opening up Dupont Road on the back side of that property as an egress even only if it's a in case of emergencies or something like that be able to get emergency personnel on the scene other than campus drive >> uh and That conversation we we literally had today with the DO that 2.5 million was really reflective of an estimation um for the intersection that between William Port Pike and Campus Drive and some turning lanes. Um it was not inclusive of any uh road
105improvements at Williamsport Pike and DuPont. And so after a conversation with them today, um if the DOH was to, you know, approve uh us having an access road out to DuPont, it the high end of what they had indicated was a light uh with with turning lanes. Um a light is going to be somewhere around $450 to $500,000 u with turning lanes uh probably adding another half a million dollars there. So um it's about a million dollars is what is what they were just estimating and of course additional further refinement may need to occur but that was based upon the conversation we had today. So that 2.5 in order to you know we probably needs to be reflective of about three and a half million >> and that's what we and that's what we would
106have to pay do. >> So well actually to the short answer is is that uh Mr. Mr. Jeff Mr. Jeff actually asked that that specific question. We are too early in the in the discovery phase for them to say that nothing has been brought up to them yet to to say they would commit, but they did seem um uh open to finding ways that they could partner financially on the project. But being able to figure out what they would be able to financially commit to before we have to prepare a bond call um would we're not going to be able to do that. uh because it it takes months and months of of of of research for them. They do believe that one of the first things we would need to do is a uh
107uh transportation study there um which would be a pretty thorough transportation study. Of course, they they require these things before you can go and do improvements, unfortunately. Um and you know, you're probably looking at about $100,000 for a very, you know, for a comprehensive transportation study. And sometimes there's grants available for those types of things that we could we could also explore. Um the other thing there is that you know if the board says you know we want to do something. Um it whatever you put in the bond you have to do. Uh but you can also make sure so for example if we know that 2 and a.5 million would probably get us most likely would get us the turning lanes uh in front of the middle school in front of the primary school
108uh and and and possibly an improvement at the intersection. There's some utilities that has to be moved and those sort of things which could be costly. We could say, for example, the wording could be uh improvements to campus drive or to Spring Mill's campus um uh to to include but not be limited to turning lanes. Okay? So that if more funding was able to become available, then we can we can we can do more. But we have to be able to say what we least we would do. And if we know that two and a half million would absolutely do our turning lanes, then we could commit ourselves to that and then still seek out additional matching funds from the hopefully the DO to be able to complete even more of of the scope of
109the project. So that's another way we could strategically look at doing something there. Um so that's just sort of food for thought there. >> A quick question. So, do we think because the large amount of traffic that's on that road, because of all the schools and activities, after games, all those things that a turning lane would make that much of a difference? >> Oh my. Yeah. >> I I think that based upon um the analysis that um our safety folks have looked at when they've gone over and analyzed it, they've, you know, we've watched the traffic patterns. They've done they've even done a a drone to watch the traffic patterns. Part of the issue is is the the traffic that sits waiting to go either into the primary school or to PTOAC. And so that's
110what's causing the bottleneck. So they feel like if there was an additional lane you could have through traffic that would get people moving a little bit better. Uh again, a transportation study would tell us a lot more in with those recommendations. >> Yeah. Make sure like if we do do the turning lane that it's going to be long enough for like three cars being able to get the turn lane and still going to have the same problem. Do you have anything to add to that? It's been look, we're we are looking at we started looking at this last year. We started [clears throat] looking at this last summer uh with the team and it's it's a real challenge over there. >> Yeah. >> Um you know better than I do, but I mean it it's
111definitely a challenge like you said we've got battoic traffic now on that road too. So, um >> is there any possibility because of I am spitballing. So, apologies to to um uh Miss Long ahead of time because when I say this, she's gonna she's going to go uh oh. Um there are several major businesses in that on on that square. You've got WBU, you have Sheets, you have the Walmart, and their little shopping center right there in front with the little strip mall. >> Um, and then you've got Valley Health. Is there a possibility that we should be reaching out to them because they're going to benefit from anything we do there quite honestly because their entrances and exits out of their parking lots benefit from that light. Is there any possibility for any collaboration
112between these businesses to come up with a solution that works and could share costs? >> But wait, you are talking about a light of a dup, >> right? I know. I'm I'm going beyond that because if we're making road improvements, and I understand that that is primarily for the for the school system. The problem is you've got Valley Health and WVU on either side of that main road that's going in there. You've got extra turn lanes. You've got all that all that infrastructure right there. They're only going to benefit. >> I'm just throwing it out there as a as a question. >> I would say anything's possible >> because I and and I I voice that because of the concerns. I mean, you can Valley Health, they've got two different entrances, one off 11 and
113one off of off of this Uh, but I guess the name of the wrong does >> and so does WVU >> and so does the businesses on each corner. >> Correct. >> And there's a lot of utilities in there. Uh, that's a complicated. >> Yes. And I and I think there would be more conversation. There should be conver and I'm not saying that you shouldn't or shouldn't do something at all. I'm not telling you what to do, but I think there should be conversations, I think, um, with these businesses to try and figure out how can we benefit each other? How you scratch our back, we scratch yours kind of kind of figuring it out kind of thing like what can we do together? >> Can um, can I suggest that we just move through
114this so we can um, limit our >> That's Miss Long's way of saying Melissa major discussion, but I'd like to get through the list so that we can whittle the list down. We'll >> come back to it. We'll always come back to it. >> I didn't mean that, but >> I know I'm teasing the next to get through this with the uh pleasure of Germantown Elementary at the conclusion of its current school year next year. We've slated it to be temporary housing for the Inwood Early Learning Academy uh with the reconfiguration in South Berkeley. So the following year in the fall of um 27 what do we do with that facility and most likely discussions have already began about alternative learning center day program what that might need uh and it might be older students
115so what needs to be done in that building and so this is an amount that's kind of that's there to be able to repurpose that uh during this time so it's kind of like we did with the last bond with Inwood or Marlo and Bington There's an amount there to help fix up those to become early learning centers. This will be there to fix this building up to whatever the repurposing on that facility may become. Uh one of the other items uh we've talked with CMTA about what would it cost uh looking at energy efficiency around different projects in the county and one of those with the administrative offices that are located of division of operation and finance uh at 401 South Queen Street with the single pane windows uh the condition of that condition
116of the solving around the top of the building uh HVAC's uh what would need to be down there and EMTA came back the costing of the plumbing uh the bathroom during that period around $5 million to fix up that facility. Uh again, our additions this was just a guesstimate based upon what we were looking at. Not knowing sure after today's conversation, I think we'll be able to give a better estimate on what must high school's cafeteria and kitchen. Uh that's kind of a landlocked in that building. You got the gyms on the side. Classrooms are there. There's no real good place to let you go up or backwards for their cafeteria. So, in order to get space in the cafeteria for think, 1700 kids, three lunches, 600 kids in cafeteria and gym at any one
117time during that time. And having enough space and seats to enlarge that cafeteria probably involves going backwards and tearing out the current kitchen and to be able to get room into the cafeteria and creating a new kitchen at the same time. That's something you'd want to look at. Uh we looked at the Martinsburg High School which even has a smaller kitchen. Uh and what they do there with three serving lines and their space there for their students. Uh and what we could do to enlarge seating plus the kitchen there. The good thing is is you've got a patio area that you can use that is close to go that way towards the building a little bit uh to get some additional seating into that cafeteria uh and be able to use some of the existing
118cafeteria into a kitchen uh during that time and kind of clean up the aesthetics of that area uh during that period to redo Mark High School. uh CMTA is recommended to be able to finish up Musleman High School and the HBAC's that we've done there and the heating uh at that school to provide that be about another $10 million to finish up everything at Buswood High School and another $5 million to check mark every one of Martinsburg High School for their HBAC upgrades. Um, in addition to what was in the previous bond for Marlo and upgrades, looking at what HBAC for that facility would be, it would be about 4.6 uh million in addition to what we had before for roofing and other things that we've had to already work on the previous bond uh
119to get that facility up and running. We look at early learning. There's rooftop units uh at a variety of the locations. We've got those listed there and that includes South Middle. So, we've been able to take a little bit out of this project uh to move up to South. So, you can take the $4 million from that line and move it up uh during that time period there to be able to replace uh rooftop units at Bunker Hill, Eagle School, Hedgesville Elementary, uh South Mr. Intermediate, Orchard View, Atomic Intermediate, and Spring Middle. Some of these are exceeding or over 25 years old. And these just to clarify though, if the board, you know, obviously the HVAC projects are obviously very very important. Um, and they're the behind the scenes improvements. People don't really get to
120see them. They they feel them, but they don't see them. uh those projects board could qualify for um uh not necessarily energy savings, but they could be financed like an energy savings contract if that was something that you're like, you know, well, we might not be able to put in the in the bond, but it might be something we have to look at in order to take care of some of those facilities long range. I I don't think we can put a a energy savings finance as being funded through bond proceeds, though, can we, Jim? I don't think so. Are you talking geothermal like we did at the other schools where we drilled wells? >> Well, it doesn't always have to be geothermal just be honestly just because you you're improving the efficiency because you're
121replacing an outdated unit, whether it be geothermal or u a traditional heat pump or what have you, um you can qualify for the energy savings financing on those types of projects. So, it doesn't have to be geothermal, um but it definitely can be. Um, but again, it can be something that you actually finance as opposed to paying having to say, "Well, we got to dig it through take it through our capital improvement project funding or through our general fund or through our fund balance in order to pay for it." You can pay for it through a financing and then you, of course, you're committed for however long you're financing it. It has to come out of your budget, but it makes it more doable at the front end. >> Right. What I've learned here on
122the board with the rooftop maintenance is that we have people hired I think through Epic to help maintain there. There are you can't even get the parts when the life of the units die whereas the geothermal things. So I know we replace the pump somewhere but they're they last 50. Yeah, I know. >> I'd like to talk to you more about that one >> because you're I understand what you're saying. I think that that what I would say is that whether it be geothermal or heat pump, you're going to you may not have to replace the the geothermal lines as frequently as you'd have to do a let's say a a heat pump, >> right? >> But um uh you're replacing the heat pump because you may no longer be able to get the parts
123for it. So you're updating the heat pump. Um, [clears throat] >> well, I'm just sitting there thinking about, okay, you get a newer model, more efficient pump, replace it. They usually are built back. >> So, it's not like you're replacing you're sitting there trying to duct tape on the right. >> I do think, Dr., Am I if I'm correct, some of those improvements in the um of the HVAC is actually for the the air handlers for the geothermal. Correct. So, some of those are geothermal projects, but the the building side of the infrastructure is starting to age out and that's part of the replacement. Also, >> um, we have a request to consider a multi-port fieldhouse at Hedville High School is only one of the four that doesn't have a standalone fieldhouse somewhere near the
124field. They're using current locker rooms that are attached to the building of the old gymnasium um to be able to use sporting events there, whether it's soccer, lacrosse, football um for that as well. So that's one of their books came from the school. And finally, you had one here, the press box. Uh, and this was, we did check with the company, this very close to what that be. And when you add in the concrete and the steel reinforcements, but looking at it, it's probably more of a facilities upgrade there as well with the wrestling room and the visitors locker room there. And that really came about under uh superintendent Stevens at the time. looking at Muscleman's girls wrestling program there. They really don't have a locker room for their wrestling program for the female students.
125Uh so he began working with McKinley to to look at that facility to be able to create create a restroom uh changing room um for that facility and that'll probably add about another time the layout shifting another million dollars to that project of facility upgrade uh to the Muscleman sports arena down there. probably be about 1.5. >> And I I think the way that we would frame that is is that it would be uh improvements to the athletic the outdoor athletic facilities at Muscleman High School to to include but not be limited to um girls wrestling facilities and uh press box improvement, something like that. question >> if it was selected >> once all of these projects are completed and I'm going to ask for a best guess. I know that can't imagine what's going
126to happen tomorrow. Uh um where are we at in projects that remain because the I I'm I'm thinking about just a few years ago we were deal we we we were dealing with the bond. Now we've got another bond that we're dealing with again. I don't want to have to keep going back to taxpayer every three years and keep adding so many bonds to their tax. I that's where my brain goes. So what is it? Because I know that that's going to be a question that all of us get. How many bonds do you want to keep adding on to us? Where do we where do we see ourselves projected um with with this work? Are we are we decent? Are we setting ourselves up for a for for success in the sense of um
127we're not going to need to go back for another60 million or 112 million or whatever every two years? >> Well, it's a great question. Um to answer your question about the current bond, uh we anticipate going out to bid on the Inwood Early Learning Academy, uh here in the next 30 to 45 days. Um the uh Following Waters project is is um advancing with that that design very well. We just had an update on that today uh yesterday and we anticipate it going out to bid uh right around May around election time. Um, we have some preliminary work that has to occur on that site with uh timbering, a house demolition, which we hope to be able to start probably in the next 60 to 60 to 90 days. >> Couple weeks. >> Yeah. Um,
128so those two projects, people are going to see active progress on those two projects, >> which helps. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, and then the only other two projects in the bond that are left is the repurposing of Marlo and Bington for prek centers. Um and that will have completed 103 uh projects that were on the 2022 bond, >> right? >> Um so the the next part of that is if we were able to let's say um complete the projects that we have s that we've just sort of put as placeholders here to equal $156 million, >> meaning that the SBA comes through with $45 million. you all are comfortable with the $12.5 million bond call. um that is going to position us very very well I think for the next 10 years based upon our
129enrollment projections um and the enrollment the projections that were done through a you know research uh with a with a a reliable firm um because the biggest area that we have in in relation to our facilities and the capacity challenges we currently have this will address if for the DTE center and the and the uh Hville Middle School project which would alleviate some overcrowding at Spring Mills Middle will help balance the enrollment for our high schools and our middle schools and it prevents us having to make a huge investment for a high school right now that's going to offset something. So, it's going to it's it means that we're going to need a high school at some point, but not in the next 8 to 10 years based upon this this solution we have and
130our enrollment projections. >> The other thing that we've also done is we're going to be finishing the falling waters project which is going to alleviate the the over uh overutilization of our elementary school north end because we're going to be balancing enrollment and doing the same thing we just did in the south end. Yeah. uh for the north end and you can already see that the decision that the board made to go to K5 model in the south end with the opening of Mountain Ridge Primary is addressing the capacity challenge for the south end right now. Right. >> Yes. >> So I think the the next pain point that the district will need to look at if these are the projects that are approved is probably the Martinsburg area for elementary. um looking at for
131example Winchester Avenue um um Burke Street and um >> Berkeley Heights and the challenges with with those capacity issues and Pike Side for example. Um and so those challenges could quite frankly be addressed through uh you know five or six years down the road perhaps. Um, we look at again maybe it's SBA funding to match general fund dollars or or what have you. >> I don't think that the board will be positioned to go back to the voters for another bond call until probably 2032 or something like that. >> Okay. >> And at that point, we would be looking at possibly being able to refinance the 2022 bond at that time, I believe, um, to to be able to leverage, you know, what we need to do for the taxpayer. So, and and [clears throat]
132another important point here is we can only bring these things to the voters during uh uh primary and general election years, right? >> So, if the board was to not move forward right now with a bond, um what we would possibly be looking at, especially from our facility challenges, is running it in 2028. Well, the problem in 20 >> 28 is that we also need to in 2028 bring back the excess levy >> because the excess levy expires in 2020 in 20 in 2030. >> And so if the if if it expires in 2030, you don't want to wait till the year that it expires to ask for approval in the event that something happens, >> go back and do it again. >> So you don't want to have a bond and an excess levy
133to the voters to to be quite frank. Um, and so I I I really do believe that uh we would be well positioned to not have to come back to the voters uh until that point. I I don't know if anybody disagrees with me there, but um that's >> that's what I wanted to hear you say. I I I had that idea already based on other conversations that we've had and the work that we've done with the previous bond, but I just I wanted to hear you say it. It makes me feel comfortable, but I wanted others to hear that as well if they're listening in because um this is a tall order. These are a lot of things we we did a lot of stuff with the last bond. this is going to be
134um there's some stuff on this list that you're going to see immediately, you know, with the like the road work and and seeing some of those HBAC stuff, but um the middle school, the high school, like those are things that are going to be long-term builds and it slower real realizations. Yeah, I do want to say the CTE center um probably won't be nearly as long as you would you would think as it relates to like the the middle school just because a lot of the exterior work is I mean it's there. You're going to do some facility improvements and you're going to do buildout. But what's nice about that is that your construction firms you have a lot of construction firms that are going to want that project because they can do it under
135a roof in the middle of the winter and it it helps with their you know challenges. >> Yes. And so but but I do think that what you see here are a lot of substantial pro substantial projects that address the um what you don't see here is a fluff. That's the thing I want I want to share. We really don't have any fluff here. What we have are are projects that are addressing capacity challenges that we truly have in our schools. Uh the growth that we have in our schools. You know, even if you take a look at I mean, if you're talking about the CTE center, that's addressing high school capacity challenges. That's also addressing workforce development needs in the area. Um um and the the limited limited seats that we have available at
136Rumsey so we can complement what's going on at Rumsey. The middle school addresses the capacity for middle schools. the South Middle School edition and the Rosemont and even the Hedgesville are taking portables that have pretty much reached end of life and putting permanent classrooms in >> the safety aspects. You can say I and and I'm not trying to to get to where a place that's selling. I'm just thinking of the taxpayer who's going to be opening up their That's right. >> tax envelope and they're going to sit there and go, "Oh my gosh, what the hell hockey sticks because we just did a bond and it was a decent amount and now this is a decent amount and what the heck." >> Yep. >> And are you going to come back in two years and
137say, "Hey, do I need another 112.5 >> million?" I that's I wanted to hear you say that that's not the >> intent. That's not the intent. That's not the plan. That's not even in our purview. Um, I just I'm I'm I'm making sure that that it's out there and it's understood. >> With this bond, it will since we have retired the other bond, it will only be a $15 increase of what they have been used to be paying. >> And like you and I both know, sometimes people are not necessarily paying attention to that end of it. >> Yeah. I and one thing I know will be hard, they had a bond retire and then he they got used to that a little bit because that will come on this tax bill >> and then
138>> if we pass another bond, >> but we are in I don't have to tell them we're all continually growing. So even though we hope not to do anything for 2032, you said >> maybe even longer. Yeah, >> maybe even longer. the earliest we probably could do something >> or was need to. Mr. Murphy, >> one thing that Dr. S didn't mention when you point out we've been focused on classrooms. We've had requests for some non-classroom abuse out of the previous bond. There was not even listed on the bar. the board stuck to its guns and said our focus is on classrooms and I I think that's the point that we need to remind the voters >> that what we asked for for money for classrooms we didn't slip in other things >> and that's
139that's important >> yep a priority >> what what I would like to do next is to get the board's u top priority priorities uh and start whittling down this list. I had a question. >> Okay. >> It's it's about the other um we mentioned about the $15 difference or did that listed in in this paperwork or >> Yes. What Mr. Nazis was provided to you was of the levy work that was from 2020 >> about halfway through >> towards the end there to kind of show you what the bond rates were when both bonds are on there and then what it would be looking at it um coming out with the new bond rates um as high as what we expect to be knowing that the interest rates would come out lower but that's the
140most that would be during that time period. >> Yeah, you'll see two different um items there. You'll see Oh, so you're going to see two different ones and I'm going to pull them apart here on mine. You you'll see a section that has um proposed bonds 112,9 900,000 at 5.5. >> Right. Right. >> And then you'll if you go back a little bit further, you're going to see one that has 124.9 million at a 5.75. >> That was the this one here, >> right? >> That is the one that the voters approved. >> So you can compare this is what the voters approved compared to what we are are are showing here. >> Uh just so that you have that comparison. That's what that's there for. And if you look at the one that we're
141proposing right now and you go to the second page, you'll see it's the class 2 residential homes. You can go down to the 200,000. Of course, you know, any of these numbers are relevant, but just for rounding purpose, you go to 200,000, you can see that the um uh total annual tax if the voters approved this measure would not exceed $24,312 on a $200,000 home. Uh if you go the next page is another important one which was the homestead exemption one. >> And so that's for uh our our homeowners that are over 65. >> Yeah. >> Um and have lived for at least five four five what the rules are. That'd be $22.60. And you can see that also how so for example on on that one you'll see that there's the 2023 bonds that
142are added into it and then of course the proposed in all likelihood again this is the worst case scenario at 5.5% over 15 years in all likelihood the voter will see less than that but we have to be able to say will you give us authorization to go up to that point >> that's I want to make sure it's like where's the >> Yeah. Great question. >> Now versus Okay, >> Mrs. Long, if I could make a suggestion based upon what the direction you'd like to go, could we go line by line and just sort of get a pulse from the board as to >> Oh, yeah, definitely. >> Yes, I feel like we should include it and then that'll as we go as we go down that list. Um, we'll be able to calculate
143are we within the 1575 or are we out and and knowing that those numbers can still change a little bit, but it gives us a a starting point that we can bring back to you all before. Thank you. All right. So, if you'll permit me, let's go. Let's start at um the CTE center. >> Yes. Yes. >> Y that's five years. >> Um the new high school. >> No. >> You got to do more. >> Okay. A new replacement Hisville Middle School. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Um, a South Middle School edition. >> Yes. >> Um, Tomahawk Kitchen cafeteria renovation upgrade. >> We need defer that go through the whole list. Just see. >> Well, let's see how many yeses we have. >> Yes. >> Melissa, what you >> bring? Yes. Yes. Okay. I >>
144That's fine. That's fine. Um, Hedgesville High School classroom edition kitchen cafeteria. >> I'm gonna hold off on that for the end. >> Okay. >> No, that that makes I'm I have a way to do this. So, I think that's good. If anybody wants to say if anybody is definitively yes, then you know, let me know and we'll come back to it because we can also say, well, we only want to focus on the cafeteria, only focus on the classrooms. >> I have it on my list, but I would hold off on that for right now. I can come back. >> Yeah. >> You want me to come back? >> Come back. Who says what? You're not saying anything. >> I say yeah. Okay. So, I guess I'm looking at it from a classroom perspective and
145I say yes, but I understand that you want to hold off on it. So, I don't know. >> Well, I'm looking at that picture of what we have said yes to already. >> Well, I think the other thing is I'm I'm going to assume we're also taking a look anecdotally at the four different regions of the county and what's in this picture, too. So, um, how we'll come back to it. >> Okay. >> Um, Rosemont Classroom, Kitchen, Cafeteria, Media Center. >> Hold all. >> Hold on. >> Okay. >> Spring Springill's campus road work. >> Yes. >> I say hold because I think that's doable with some community conversations. >> I don't think it's doable ever conversations, but you might be able to get something from the B. I pay you a hospital that shop a
146lot of businesses but >> we'll come back we'll come back to it. >> I say road work estate roads and that's their responsibility and their legislator responsibility to get it. >> I I mentioned that to a couple developers and they said well what's the difference? So we have to build the roads. So the the one thing I just want to share just for context purposes is if we think about the bond and making sure we can get up to a 50.01% passage um is we really don't have anything in this list for the Spring Mills area other than alleviating a little bit of pressure from Spring Mills Middle School for Hersville Middle School. I I just I want to put that in context so that if I'm a Spring Mills person, what is impacting my
147daily life is campus drive. So, I just want to put just food for thought. I'm not saying yes or no that it's bad or >> I'm I'm I'm going to say this. I'm siding with Pat on this one, though, because >> Yeah, I I agree where where you're coming from. I just think it's uh vital down in that area. But >> I'm not saying it's not vital. It is it is sorely needed. The only snag is is that we only have [clears throat] certain amount of money. >> I agree. Totally. >> Who? >> Um repurposing Jared's town. >> Yes. >> I don't really have that on my list, but um >> So, where are we at? >> That's the snag. Well, let's go through the what we definitively say yes and then we'll add it
148up. >> Yeah, I already added my >> um improvements to 401 Queen Street. >> I think we can do more of that maintenance budget. >> I mean, I'd like to, but >> or CTE programs that can get in there and help with that. So, yeah. Um >> Muslim High School kitchen cafeteria. >> Not yet. Not yet. This one go back. >> Uh, Martinsburg High School Kitchen Cafeteria. >> We'll come back to it. >> All right. Um, HVAC Muscleman High. >> Not yet. >> HVAC Martinsburg High? >> Not yet. >> HVAC Marlo? >> Not yet. >> HVAC for eight schools? >> Not yet. >> Um, Hendrisville High School athletic facility? >> No. >> Muscleman High School athletic improvements? >> No. >> Okay. So, what we have um are you are you keeping up with us over
149there? >> Oh, I'm sorry. [laughter] >> That was fast. >> I'm sorry. >> Well, I was going to say where do you want me to >> I think it's 132 right now. >> Um so, we're >> I think it's 133. 133. >> That's what I found. >> Yeah, I've got 13300. >> Is she Is she in the >> Sorry. >> Are you in the shared one? >> Is she in the shared file? >> I'm not. I am not in the shared one. >> We're coming back. Hard to get in. >> Yeah. I'm going to pull it out. >> Can you pull it up and make >> 12 or 125 CT? >> Did you added the extra port for >> Yeah. Did you add the extra south? The other thing the other thing you have to
150consider is that we're asking on the CTE center a $45 million contribution from SBA. So just yeah million I'm not adding that >> South Middle School >> was supposed to be 16 million instead of the 12 >> that got 133 250. >> Yeah, that's what I got. >> We got it right. We math trade. >> Sorry. So 133 to 150,000. >> I have a nice little list here. 155 >> minus the 45 >> CT. >> Oh no, I did. >> We didn't. Oh, you did that. Okay. >> I have it. So if you take those guesses that would leave you 24 thou 24,250,000 >> 2450 >> 24. >> All right. >> Yeah. For some reason the Excel file is not working for me. It's like mess. >> It's been real. So then with that being
151said, I would I would revisit those those conversations about the Hedgesville High School classroom edition, the Rosemont classroom. That's me. I'd go back to those two. Here was my list. CTE, Hedgesville Middle South, Tomahawk Kitchen, Hedgesville Classroom, Rosemount Classrooms, um, Campus Thrive, and HVAC at Muslin Martinsburg High School because it's in di5. >> Did you have repurposed Jared'stown? >> Oh, I meant to put that in there. So, I'll have to take out the HC. Well, we're we've still got 20. According to what I'm understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, we based on the numbers up top, the 112500, we still we can >> Sorry, >> I'm sorry. 1575. We still can take 24 million >> 100. Yeah. From this list to add into it. >> so that's why I added Hedgesville High School, Rosemont.
152That's 18. >> That's 18. >> And then if you put the repurpose of um Georgetown, that's included. >> That's already included. >> Oh, that's included in the 12. Yeah. See, I don't have that on my >> Okay. >> So, just add that just add the add Rosemont Hedgesville. >> That was 18. >> Uhhuh. >> It's 6,250,000 left. >> Okay. I vote for the road. I would see if we can sort of split up or pair down Hendersville, >> like take the cafeteria and the menu off >> or somehow >> take the take the kitchen off and >> just include the just the essentials. So we can then move some of that money to other projects, even some smaller projects to make sure those get done because >> like the HBAC stuff, >> right? >> Okay.
153>> Either HBAC or even there was one of these was listed as a safety issue. I think it was I must prep the uh description to something about a safety issue. And my thing is if there's something wrong with it that's a safety issue if we can't pick it from maintenance funds or whatever you might want to get that fixed before there's an accident and then somebody said oh you knew there was a problem you didn't fix it >> well what is the what is the problem >> I remember that but I don't remember what it was >> self constructed >> press box >> safety concerns due to its age and construction and the replacement would provide a modern pre-fabricated press box designed to meet current safety and functional standards I'm not in favor of
154building a new press. >> I sort of fix the one. >> Yeah. So, can we fix the one we've got? >> I'm going to have John to speak to that because we may not be >> to replace. Okay. >> And that's a good number. 500 take care of it. >> You got to take what's there out pad uh and then construct it from there. Bring it in on a flat bed. and drop it in place. >> Okay. >> So, it' be a pre-fabricated unit. >> Yeah, I would shed. [clears throat] >> That's a good number. >> Yeah, that's why I was thinking about another project code over there and it's fine. >> Okay. >> Part of that was the uh girl dressing program, right? >> The addition we put in that account for >> another
155million. Yeah. >> Is there And it's a title N. We're gonna have the district will have to do something at some point. >> Title N means that the boys have facilities but the girls don't. >> I said that's what I mean. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I said I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> I'm not going to need to go into that debate. >> I'm sorry. >> This I'm so sorry. over here fighting with an Excel sheet. >> Um, >> let's see. Don't want to do >> Did you say I want make sure I got that right. So you have CTE Center Middle. Yep. South Middle. We have South Middle tomahawk Middle School >> classroom edition and kitchen cafeteria. >> Well, Damon said take the just the classrooms. >> Well, I was trying to see what
156I don't know what that would be. >> Yeah, I don't know what that would be either. >> I have I just put it in as >> Yeah. Can you look at what the square footage of the classrooms would be and multiply it times 450 >> at Hedgesville High School? >> Christian. Yeah, I was gonna say you're gonna pull on him, aren't you? >> He had Rosemark, right? Yeah. >> Did you have repurposed? Yes, >> that's one I didn't have at all. >> And then um >> and then you had that campus does not have the $1 million repurposing of Dund. Um, no it does not. >> Hold on a little. I didn't realize >> I'm at um I'm at 153935. Now, here's the other thing. I I want to be very clear. This is using
15745 million for the SBA. Yes. >> If they give us anything less, that means that either we have to increase the bond funds or decrease the project. So, I just want to I want to share that. Right. So, >> so uh Hedgesville classrooms 10,440 square feet times 450 would be 4.7 million. >> Is that a fair 450 and then a fair number to go on that square footage? >> I think it'd be pretty close to that. Okay. Because you are involving restrooms. It's not just classrooms. We're putting in bathrooms as well. I think a fair number there. All right. So what what did you say? Four and a half 4.7. >> Okay. And we can confirm that with Yes. Me. >> So here's here is what I have on the on the sheet. CTE Center
158um $10 million in bond funds 45 million SBA replace Hedgesville High School 55 million South Middle School Edition 16 million Tomahawk Kitchen Cafeteria 3.5 Hedgesville High School classrooms only 4.75 Rosemont classroom kitchen cafeteria media center 8 million56 uh Spring Mills campus 2.5 million repurpose Jared'stown 3.75 million. So >> that comes to what? >> That leaves us with $8.9 million left to allocate based upon the 1575. >> Can we are we able to articulate in the bond that that remaining amount will go to replacing HBAC systems? Um and and you know in various schools including Muscleman High, Martinsburg High, Marlo Elementary, and those other eight other schools. >> When you say including then you have to spend it on those projects. >> Well, there's language they can put in the maintenance of other >> Yeah. Yeah.
159Yeah. That that that's what that's what I mean. It doesn't >> Yes, that's what I'm that's what I mean. >> Including >> I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm I he know I know where I'm going with >> trying to tell just I'm not being critical. I'm just saying >> Oh, I know. But I'm just saying like like I that's the idea, right? >> Yes. Uh I I would caution that. And the reason I would caution that is is that you're only talking 8 million, >> but you have almost 37 million in HBAC. >> And so you you would not want to say, "Well, we're going to do this." And then in four or five years when we >> don't have enough money to fix something and we've got to go to the SBA or or or
160whatever, they say, "Well, you passed the bond to be able to fix this." Well, then they might look at it and say, "We didn't budget enough." >> I I'm I'm in I'm not in disagreement. I'm just trying to figure out how do we how do we marry this? >> Yep. >> That that's that's that's my thought. I don't know what you guys are thinking. any of these HBAC projects possible to do some units and not all or that would just be just inefficient totally inefficient. >> Well, that's inefficient to me. >> I mean, what I'm saying is say Mark High School has >> say Mark has eight. >> Two of them they're about to die. The other >> had I think you had a few faces at Marksburg High. At some point you say we're
161finishing it. >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. >> And that's what they're saying. [clears throat] >> Okay. That's what I was asking. >> So, is this uh 5.1 million finishing it? >> Correct. >> Well, then then maybe that's what we need to do. We need to say that it's finishing that >> because I knew they were either. >> Okay. >> 5.1 in there, right? What do you get? >> But are they the worst? Are they in need versus the other schools? >> Oh. high scores. Yeah. >> Uh you that that gets you to a remaining balance of 3,843,000. >> Then what? >> Um I let's see here. I just want to think about this. So the >> you know the CTE center is going to be able to help all all four areas of
162the high school or of the of the district obviously with alleviation of of high school facilities. You know, Pedesville in this scenario is getting a new middle school. South Middle School, which is the Martinsburg area, is getting a significant um school renovation essentially, plus classrooms. Um the the the Hedgesville area with Tomahawk is getting a a cafeteria kitchen facility. Um, Hedgesville High School would be getting again in Hedgesville area the uh additional class the new classrooms to replace portables. Um, Martinsburg area is getting the Rosemont uh edition or the Rosemont edition and and a facility upgrade almost a school renovation essentially >> and South >> I'm sorry >> and South >> and middle the South Middle School. >> South Oh, and South Middle School. Yes, sir. Um the uh north end, Spring Mills would be
163getting uh road improvements at Campus Drive. The south end essentially you you could you could argue the Jared'stown repurposing as a south end project, but it's it's I don't know that the community is going to feel it as much, you know. Um and then of course we have the HVAC again at Martinsburg. So, the only concerns that I just want to make sure that we're we're noting here is that the South End um may not feel like they're getting as much if we're not looking at like a Muscleman High School kitchen renovation or, you know, cafeteria renovation. >> But we have to look at what we just put up South. >> I don't disagree at all. I just want to make sure that if the voters were to ask >> a lot. >> I just
164I just I just want to share that. I I think one thing we may want to do is do the press box, do the um facilities for the wrestling with the female wrestler so we don't run into title N issues, >> but also we need to maybe give the South a little more credit and that they're not so selfish that they would not vote to help the other parts of the county. I mean, >> yeah, I think >> I would I would hope that our community would not be that black. I think they will I think they I think >> I'm saying if any part of it north end south end if if you're not having a project funded in your area >> but you see a greater need for other children in the community
165>> you voting against it >> no I'm not saying I'm saying anybody in the county >> you're not voting for something because well my my area is not directly getting it that just goes back more to your selfishness rather than thinking helping these these students helps all of our teaching. >> Yeah, because I was going to say because we have people that are going from the north end of the county >> to the south end and from the south end to the north end to be able to compete against each other. So, there is going to be realizations there. It just might not always be felt. >> Well, and I look at it this way. You look at the Hedgersville area that voted for all of the South End and um so, you know, I
166just think people are good about No, I'm feeling >> Why don't we ask the Apple? >> I've just been I've been there at lunch a lot and every single lunch the cafeteria in ANX uh gym is filled with gills the entire time. That can be considered a safety issue, efficiency issue, class getting the kids back to the classroom and fed on time. But I agree with Dr. just like making sure everything's equable county. >> What was the total? >> Okay. So, so if if so here, so I if I was just to recap, >> CTE Center, Hedgesville Middle School, South Middle School, Tomahawk, Hedgesville High School classrooms, Rosemont classroom, kitchen, cafeteria, and media center, Spring Mills campus road at 2 and a half million, repurposed Jarrettstown, 3.7 million, uh HVAC at Martinsburg High School, and
167then the Musman high school uh wrest uh facility improvements for the press box and the and the um girls wrestling locker room area leaves us with a balance of 200 $2.3 million left box at 1.5 >> 1.5 Yes sir.5 wait press box is it 1.5 >> well it's the press box and the wrestling the wrestling locker room for the girls. >> Okay. Didn't see that on the list. Sorry. >> Well, we added that million. Um >> just to willy-nilly will just >> No, because they've actually done the they've done they've actually Yeah, they've done the design and actually they've done the design and that's the cost estimation. We're actually ready to go to bid on it. >> Oh, wow. So because they've been working on it for so long, >> but because we don't necessarily
168have that in the budget, it's like maybe we should add it to the bond as a >> So what what is the total amount? >> The the total amount we are at um $155,156,000. >> Can we just say that that's it? >> We could. >> Yeah, I think >> because there's going to be some flex there's going to be some moving. >> I think I think we just leave it. I'm very pleased with that. How about you, Lord? What's your problem? I don't have very quiet, Mr. Martin. >> Mr. Martin, how do you change the >> repurposing juris like what's that look like? I know like there's no like there's no program, but like what's that like? What's that? What are those dollars going to in that school? >> Can I answer that for you?
169Because I don't want to put you on the spot for something you haven't been responsible for, though. that has been a placeholder based upon square footage because honestly it for administratively we hadn't put that one real high yet. Uh we we had had some others and so we would need to work with them to say is that 3.775 accurate and really taking a look at what are our needs going to be for that. So it was it was a placeholder. So I mean based upon square footage and those types of things. So, we need to further refine that and then we could explain to you maybe we can I don't know would it be possible for us to have a meeting over the next two days to say what we want it to include >>
170so that you can refine that maybe by the the next Tuesday meeting so we can just give them an update as to what it could include >> and that also would depend on what we want to go in there >> well yeah right I think that initially what we were thinking is that we're thinking it become our alternative school um that is at Pikeside and then >> possibly even um like CARES and the focus classrooms. So >> that's kind of cool. >> Well, yeah, don't that that renovating can be a thing. Um, >> what were you what were you wanting to say in the middle of all of this? >> No, because my mind was blowing. I was just I was I was thinking about because I've been in Musman at lunch and I've seen
171that chaos and how bad >> and I was thinking and I'm sort of still agreeing with Pat in a way about the campus even though I know it's desperately needed if we could scrap that one use and then combine that with what's left and do the muscle on the day the 2.5 from that. I like that argument because then I'd say let's go to the businesses and say come on. Let's let's get together. I know I just >> but you know I just I'm just trying to find >> Well, here here here is another thought. I'm just going to throw this out there. We could we could do one of two things. You I think I know where you all are are hoping we could land. I could go back to Mr. Nassf and say,
172you know what, we really need to be like closer to 115 in the bond. What would that do to that that payment schedule? My guess is it's going to be a few dollars. Okay. That way you have that to digest to to say, "Okay, well that that's doable. That gets us to where we need to be." Um and and then of course, you know, all of this is going to be helping us frame our conversations with the SBA. Um you know, we're shooting for 45. I I I want to be I also want to be very real and that is is that you know we we may not get that 45 you know and so >> um but let's just let's just assume we get 45 and we're at 1125 we know that we need
173based upon the total remaining balance we have is $2.3 million. If we had another 2.5 million we could probably do muscle as an example. What would that look like if we went from one 112 million to 115 million on the on that tax ticket? Again, I'm going to say it's probably going to add Well, I don't want to assume, but it's it's it's going to be small >> change. It's going to be change. >> Um, compared to the fact that we're already asking them to we're already asking a a big lift from the voters based upon what they're seeing in their tax this year, >> right? >> I'm just curious, Mr. Delator, >> you you you have been around the state a long time. Um, not saying you're old, but you are a seasoned architect
174who's been through lots of bond measures where boards have had to make some of these decisions. Would you feel comfortable giving the board some advice from a financial outlook and trying to be able to do some of these projects just based upon your experience and what you've seen happen across the state >> happening across state? >> What you've seen happen across the state just to give the board food for thought as they have to make a decision. >> Yeah. Well, I I like when you're talking about hitting all the all the areas, making sure that somebody somebody is getting something because you don't you don't want to alienate any any of the voters. That's that's the main thing. Um and then, you know, through the whole process that you did with the CFP update and
175having the people win, I mean, that that's the big part. You brought people in. It's just not it's not your decision, not anyone a decision. It's not you, it's a group, right? So, uh, and, uh, [clears throat] the SBA is going to like this list. Not only, I mean, you they'll probably participate in I don't want to answer for them in either one or two of those projects, but they [clears throat] like the list of projects that you're going to have because those are those are projects that you're not going to come back for. You're handling yourself. So, so I think I think the paper favoring roads Dr. Bank. >> What' you say, >> Ernie? Are are school systems investing in roads? >> Pardon me. >> Are school systems investing on all >> you almost
176have to uh traffic lights, roads, and and things like that. Uh and uh it it's been hit or miss with my experience with DO participating in and uh and in in the cost. uh probably have a better chance here. But the rural areas that we've dealt with, they they did they chose not to participate here, especially with the hightraic area, uh you know, we might we might have a better shot here with my experience just just being around the other the other people around there participating. I you know, I don't know what kind of success you would get with that. >> I don't know. I know I know off top of my head probably four or five times Walmart has not been cooperative on something like that. So I think you mentioned Walmart was there
177right? >> I it's on it's there on the corner. There's there's >> but that doesn't mean the other ones would wouldn't be cooperative. So >> and just to be clear I'm not against the road. I actually live out there so I understand the traffic [laughter] think but I don't know what it's like. I experienced that. So, >> oh yeah, >> I just want to make sure that a lot more goes at the classrooms and you know >> so are >> you know the more the most pressing things and I understand that traffic is very pressing but it's just my reason. >> Sure. >> You can't get the kids there because of that you can't get to the bathrooms. >> Yes. And I I and I I'm maybe this is a conversation of, you know, with
178with all of us working together and collaboratively with with the the transportation and understanding the different routes and the different measures they're taking and you know looking at and re not redistricting but reallocating the rerouting of things. Could that also potentially solve some? Obviously not going to solve all, but could that alleviate some of the concerns and issues? Um, people are still going to run the red lights. People are still going to be stupid um out there, but is there is there some alleviation in through the our transportation study and revamping that we that you guys have been doing for the last six months? >> Well, I don't know. No, I I understand that uh that that reflection. Um what I will tell you is that when I meet with our employee associations and several
179of the representatives are actually bus drivers um that deal with that campus drive area, >> I don't think that any of our rerouting will actually address the campus drive issue because what happens is is the buses are getting backed up on it. >> Okay? And I think the the reason is is that more and more families like to be able to take their they want to put them in they want to take their kids to school um or you have student drivers at the high school or what have you. And so um I think it's just that perfect storm. So I don't know that routing bus routing will alleviate any of the problems but it's a but I understand why you're asking that question. >> It's just a thought. Sorry didn't mean to go on.
180I I agree with, you know, it's a shame that we have to spend money on the campus drive versus classrooms, but it's so needed. I mean, it's it's absolutely a necessity out there. It's a mess out there. Is this where we maybe table that that section of it? Get some pros and cons. Get get the couple of different avenue A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and figure out what we're going to do. >> Ring it at two because we have to have some concrete. >> No, but if there's more information that could be given to us on Monday, >> between now. >> Yes. between now and then and then >> enough time to >> Well, I think that >> again, we're going to need to massage some of the numbers a little bit anyway
181to make sure that we're still accurate so we can give you an update on on Tuesday. Um so that we can say, "Hey, here's here's kind of where we're standing." We can also share what would it look like if it's a 115. >> Yeah, >> we we'll probably have a better idea of what the SBA's commitment is going to be in the next week and a half or so, two weeks. Uh am I correct on that, Mr. Delore? >> Yeah. Um we we talked to the SBA today and they're anxiously waiting uh see what happens today. >> Feedback from tonight. >> Yeah. So we'll share some of this uh if you could send you know what you approved somehow to me and share that with them. That'll get the ball rolling there. Absolutely. >> I
182would say I I I can absolutely I love how we've worked together through the first bond that we've we've done together and now how we've done this bond. >> I mean we're like 95% complete >> in agreement. your pro your pros now. >> No, I No, it's not necessarily that so much, Ernie. And this is where I would say remember that statement that that Miss Long and Mr. Murphy said to you way back when, we're a different board. >> Yeah. You're a good board. If is that might lead into I can share something? >> Sure. in in my experience is around the state. Sometimes you'll have a county if you approach them and ask it doesn't hurt to ask about that road. Sometimes you'll have a state road that might sympathetic how they are. It
183depends on your relationship to them and what their budgetary needs are and what they feel like they can afford. So I don't even ask but I just want to say to echo this is a good board. I don't patronize you the least. In my experiences throughout the state, you all have very healthy discussions. You agree to disagree if if that makes sense. And this whole process has been very impressive to me. I think I think you're ready to go. One piece of advice, I would leave a little bit of room in there in case SBA doesn't come with quite the amount of money that you think or maybe there could be some overruns in some of the projects. Doesn't hurt to you want to please everybody, but it's better to not overpromise than to. >>
184That's a true point. >> True point. Any other questions? >> so while we have a little bit left, I think that that's good advice and we'll have some conversations with the SBA. We'll try to refine um this list so that we can kind of give you a working document at the next board meeting. If numbers are updated, I will also share this chart as it's updated with you all just so you can keep fresh and um see how it's progressing over the next uh three weeks. >> Is there could could you send us a clean? >> Oh yes, absolutely. >> Yeah. Where it's prioritized the ones at the bottom. >> Absolutely. So I can make sure that what I have >> well we can't do all of them something >> something that we don't want
185to forget in the language and I think Dr. totally alluded to want to put language in the bond that if you save money on one project it may be shift >> absolutely >> council's already got it there was in the last draw with you and show you what it look like based on the projects you've got Anything else before we adjourn? >> I have a motion to adjurnn. >> Move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I journ. >> Yeah. Thank