001Mr. Stein, can you hear me? >> Yeah, I hear you. Chris, can you hear me? >> Yep, you came through. Thank you. >> You hear me, Chris? >> Yes, I hear you. >> You did. Is that okay? Now, I'm trying to Oh, I just have the SGD. There's no live video yet, right? >> That's correct. >> Okay, very good. I'm sitting tight. >> Okay. and we are going to get started calling the meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge and a moment of silence. roll call. >> Baringer >> here. >> Bomb >> here. >> Ramsey >> here. >> Ritz. >> Roarba >> here. >> Shear >> Stein >> here. >> White >> here. >> Wilson. Wilson and Ritz are out for personal reasons. Uh we did hold an executive session on October 6 for
002personnel. Anyone in the audience that would like to address the board at this time? Right. Come on up, Gabby. Can you hear me? Okay. Uh Gabriella Kuga, Jackson Township. I'm a taxpayer and u parent of um two high schoolers. Um it is time for accountability. All five of you board members that voted to hire our past superintendent did so against the advice of the teachers union, human resources, the consultant company, and countless members of this community. You ignore the warnings and you push him through without transparency. Then after his DUI, just days before officially starting the job, our entire community called for his removal. Instead of listening, you kept him in place. That decision embarrassed our district, undermined trust, and has now cost us even more. Now, after the most recent scandal, we are paying
003him anywhere from 47,000 as reported by media to close to 100,000 as some of last week's speakers were mentioning. Again, no transparency in this matter. We're only guessing. Again, money this this district cannot afford while at the same time cutting teaching positions because of a budget deficit. Let's talk about this payout. In what world does someone who resigns voluntarily walk away with a severance package? Severance is meant for employees who are terminated without cause, not for those who choose to walk away, and certainly not for someone who has repeatedly embarrassed this district. If this board decided to hand over tens of thousands of taxpayers dollars anyway, that was a choice. Your choice, and it was a reckless and irresponsible one. Our students, teachers, and taxpayers deserve better stewardship of our money. As far as the
004deficit, it didn't just happen. For the past four years, this board ran a deficit budget, and now our district is forced to raise taxes to clean up the mess. And while the three of you up for re-election tried to distance yourself by voting against the tax increase, the reality is that the rest of the board had no choice but to raise taxes because of poor decisions made over this past four years. And now we're talking again about hiring consultant firms for another superintendent search. Why? The last time you paid a consultant for their expertise and they explicitly advised you not to hire Bradley, you ignored that advice and did it anyway. So why waste taxpayer money again if you're going to disregard the experts? If we have candidates interested in the position from within the
005district, why not give them a chance? When you're in this position, you should leave your personal dislikes and likes at the door and make decisions impartially and fair with only the district, staff, students, and taxpayers well-being in mind. All three of you are campaigning using slogans such as fiscally responsible, responsible steward of taxpayer dollars. If you are as fiscable responsible as you claim to be, start acting like it. And if this is truly the best you can offer this district, then it's simply not enough for us. And it's time to step aside and let someone else try their best. It's past time to put students, teachers, and taxpayer first. This community deserves better, and it deserves now. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Anyone else in the audience that would like to address the
006board at this time? Right. Seeing none, um any board response to public comment? All right. Uh we are in voting meeting uh uh the departmental report. I am going to turn it over to Michelle Lewig for pupil services report. >> Good evening. I believe you already got a copy of my report. So I just wanted to just highlight some things from that report very briefly. Um, at this time, um, we're working on the Alice video presentation for parents that's been filmed. It's in, um, the works of being edited by ABJ. Um, Bill, myself, and Officer Mangle are featured in the video that we're going to release to parents regarding Alice and the upcoming trainings that we're going to be doing at each of the schools. Also, I just provided a brief update. Um, you were
007very kind to allow us to have a BCBA last year with our PCCD money. That was the board certified behavior analyst. We used them to the maximum extent. Um, she was able to really help us revamp a lot of our worksheets and um, we had some good procedures, but we kind of really honed in on some things that teachers can really use to help us look at behavior of students and really start targeting student behavior in a more positive way. Um, and we're in the middle of training today. Carrie, Dr. Carrie Henry did some training for elementary. We've been around to the middle school teams. So, it's all been going very well. And I just wanted to thank you as a followup from um that uh BCDA that you approved for us last year. And
008that's about all I have to report and didn't know if you had any questions. >> Does anyone have any questions from the report that was supplied? No. All right. Thanks, Right. I do not have any correspondence at time at this time. So we will move to action voting items. Personnel with Mr. Stein. >> Doing sorry missing Balman. >> Okay. Personnel board actions requested. Um we are going to skip letter A for right now. And so we're going to move on to B. Approval to advertise uh to pursue temporary part-time over enrollment. aid positions, four hours each at New Salem for coverage at fourth grade level, effective immediately through the end of the school year. Letter C, retirement, acceptance of the following retirement resignation with regret after 31 years of service to the Springrove School District.
009Uh, Teresa Weaver. Uh, letter D, resignations, acceptance of the following resignations one through nine as listed. Letter E, uncompensated leave request, approval of the following request for uncompensated leave as listed. Letter F, department chair. Approval of the following department chair for the 2526 school year with the approved stipen as determined by the collective bargaining agreement and authorizing discretion to reduce prorate or cancel any appropriated payment because of delayed shortened or canceled assignment as listed. Letter G, extracurricular position approval of the following individual for the 2526 school year with compensation determined by the extracurricular minimum stipen matrix uh as listed. Letter H, uh support staff substitute approval of the following substitute for the classification as listed for the 2526 school year as listed letter I. Act 86 day-to-day student substitute. Uh approval of the following Act
01086 substitute for a maximum of 20 days for the 2526 school year at a rate of $125 per day pending all the clearances and disclosure forms from previous employers as listed. May I have a second for those? Is that right, Dar? We have a second for that and then we'll open it up for discussion for letter A. >> Okay. So >> we need to >> Right. I just was waiting. So moved on personnel. >> Right. >> Okay. Second would be Ben. Okay. Um so roll call vote letter B. >> I do have I have a question. All them resignations. Do we know why they're resigning? Is that is that something that is ever talked about, ever discussed or what you know why they are resigning? use the microphone, please. >> Oh, he Oh, for hope.
011Okay, >> I stated that we do exit interviews for all of the school district employees that have resigned or are retiring and provide them a survey uh asking general information on why they have decided to leave the district. And I told Mr. Shearer I can provide that information once we get it from those employees. And the reason I asked that is I know at the and at the vote when they when they give these they always give a summary why they're leaving where they're going roughly or why they're coming so on and so forth and they do that before we vote on this that we know what's going on. So appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I have Go ahead. >> I have a question. on G. Uh we have a middle school
012student counselor co-advisor again stipen $468. So my question is is that all in school or is that have after school effect you know again I I keep asking about these. So if it's in school why are we paying a stipen? I can I can take that that her stipen is split with another another teacher. They they are co-advisors and the stipen is for things that they do outside of the school day. >> Yeah, I think they were just responsible for the middle school dance that happened. Um anything outside of the school day, but also they meet in school to plan those activities. All right, roll call vote B through I. Ramsey Balm Sheer Baringer Stein. >> Yes. >> White. >> Yes. >> Roarbball. >> Yes. All right. We are going to move to letter A.
013Um O opening it up for discussion. I need one of them trucker headphones. Um so I am not in favor of option one or two. I am in option uh in favor of three. The reason why is as uh we just had a resident uh explain some of the things there. Bring in another consultant's fine. Um and again if they want to help or we doing hybrid, you know, I I would go up to 5,000. I I think, you know, a 10,000 16,000 doing a hybrid is absolutely ridiculous, you know, and again, I understand that's their job. They're going to put a lot of time and effort into it, but if we can, you know, keep things inhouse and keep expense down for taxpayers, you know, and and my biggest thing was when we were
014told about candidates and red flags, no one listened. So, here we are again. And if that comes, you know, a breast again, what's our what what is going to be our consequences because we're going to, you know, go out of the realm. The other thing is, you know, I there were certain ones that were wanted to be more uh visible. We wanted to do a town hall meeting. We we just I personally thought the options we had we should have you know opened it back up and uh that was not looked in favor of doing. Um the other thing is you know we have internal candidates and and again everyone's going to have to go through the same process and apply and do everything like that as well. I I think the days and I
015sent a letter out where you know it it's come to you know ahead of there are not many superintendents out there and we all know that we're all reading the same thing. So you know our days of finding a Dave Renald or a Mary Beth I I think are far from from you know we're going to have to utilize the people we have. Um, we need someone to come in and take this district and and look ahead. I mean, unfortunately, it's kind of like Penn State. You you fire a head coach. The head coach is is a leader, but it it takes a team. So, again, why isn't the whole team dismissed? You see what I'm saying? So, it's kind of a shame. So, again, my my process I I am in favor of option
016three. If we want to utilize option one, option two to help out, then we're going to have to have a better rate and, you know, see if they could guide us. But that is my options there. Thank you. >> I am a proponent for option one. That's where I'm leaning. Uh the two things I think about um Doug as you were I I understand and appreciate the protecting those tax dollars. You've been fighting that. Um I'm with you on that uh spending those tax dollars, but I think for two reasons I think a consultant is really beneficial. One is the expertise through the process. Um that is something that we do not have in house at this point. I'm not saying that eventually we may learn and figure out how to do that. Um, but
017it's a lot of work. Um, the pull that someone like an outside consultant can bring in more candidates, I think I think that's a real positive. Um, but I've said before like I'm concerned about Hope. I know that Hope will just say yes. I mean, she's she's willing to do almost anything we ask her to, but at some point, like, we need to step in and say, you shouldn't be doing all of that. Like, this is going to be dozens and dozens of hours of work. I mean, I don't know how many. It's going to be a lot. and that by by going three and for us to say we're just going to do this for free. No, we're we're doing this to sacrifice a whole bunch of time on Hope's account. And so that
018I feel I don't like the way that that feels. I don't like just throwing a whole bunch of extra work on someone that's not done it. Um and she just we're not hiring her additional staff to do this. So I don't think that's fair to hope to do that to her. I'm not even looking at her because I know that she's just going to say I'll I'll do what you asked me to, but I think it's it's just too much. >> Um, I'll jump in and just give my I I don't have a way that I'm swaying. I It's either one or two for me. Um, but I I want to kind of Gabby said some things in her um statement today about accountability and there's definitely been some ownership in that decision and um
019it's it does it's not taken lightly. So um so when we take a when we take a a look you know we we want to look forward you know as much as we can with with not remember with not forgetting what has happened um in in the departure of Dr. Bradley. Um but his contract is was public and there were things in his contract that we did have to you know any any superintendent um that we do have to follow procedurally um when a superintendent does leave. So when we do hire the next superintendent we'll take a look at those that language that goes into that if if someone would depart early etc. Um from a networking perspective of finding candidates, I find value in the con the using the consultant um because they do
020bring a broader scope rather than just advertising somewhere. They actually network to find people. And then also uh we did not use our human resources internal um employee the last search at all. We all nine decided not to involve that person. This looks different. It feels different already because hope will be involved. So that bridge to the district we will have as a part of the team where in the hiring of Dr. Bradley we we all nine of us decided not to use um the person who was sitting in that seat at that time. So um there are different caveats of this situation that we are moving into. Um so for me I do see value in using a consultant along with our internal human resources department. >> Whether we use a consultant or not,
021I agree with what you said, Rachel. And um that was my first time going through a superintendent search and um when we got to the end of it at no fault to anybody. I'm not saying it that way. But I heard for the first time from people about how we did that one differently. I hadn't been part of one. I didn't know. Um there's lots of things about it that Mr. weight just brought up about reopening up the search. It's one thing for people to be critical of who was picked. Um, but they didn't get to meet some of the other candidates and there's a reason why Mr. White said about opening it back up. And um we did get advice about wanting to pick um and do it quickly because we lost a candidate
022I believe because before we got to the end of the process, they took a job somewhere else. We lost a candidate um because somebody called the other school that they were at and tipped them off who I don't know. I'm not going to begin to go down that road, but the process that we went through for a lot of us, it was the first time. And the biggest thing to me that is already different about what happened here is we brought two people out to be more transparent with what we were going to do. Not because we weren't trying to be transparent the last time. It was just something that not having done it before, the process that I go through. I did four interviews today at work, it's not the same as doing a
023superintendent process. So this idea that anybody was trying to not be transparent in the first place is nothing short of ridiculous. Nobody ever sat down and said, "We want to go through this process and try and hide." So, um, the political component to a handful of people, and I'm not talking about anybody specifically tonight or a different point or a different time, but the political component about smearing that we were trying to be we weren't trying to be transparent before is ridiculous. So, um, there are candidates, as both of those people said the last time, that we have to make decisions because the secrecy that they require to do it if they have another job is important. and outlining and explaining that going to the public and telling them upfront to be in the finals
024that they're going to have to be willing to do that did not happen the last time. And so anybody that thinks that anybody, no matter how they voted, doesn't want a better outcome than what happened the last time, I would wholeheartedly say is nothing short of crazy. So, um, I both agree with Mr. White and with what both of you have said. Um, I see the advantages to doing it internally. Um, I also based off of listening to what people have said if we're never going to pick a candidate that everybody likes. And I see the other side of it of people coming back and saying if we didn't spend any money and they don't like the candidate, that's just going to be the stone that gets thrown at us that time. So, I would
025like us to pick whichever one we don't want to do, like we go through when we have three options. And um if we have people that don't want option three, let's eliminate one and then go through the process of elimination, which is what I think is going to happen that we're going to be picking between one and two. That way, um we can do a process of elimination, please. >> Okay. I I'd like to um I like option one because I feel that uh it's middle of the road, not the most expensive, not the cheapest, kind of how I run my household. I understand Doug's feelings about doing it in-house, but I also know that starting in January when the letters go out for retirements, resignations, end of the year, that's a very busy busy
026busy time for the HR department and I think that they would be very overworked and overwhelmed. So, I'm in favor of option one. I think that having somebody uh with the Association of Rural and Small Schools plays um into our favor. >> Ron, do you have any feedback? >> Yeah, I got to go along. I think option one is between the two options, there's very little in consulting what they're going to do. Their their services are almost identical. Option one is cheaper. And I believe too we need to have a consulting firm involved in this because people think we have a long time but it takes a long long time to do anything in government and uh if we don't keep it moving we're going to be up against the wire and then we're going
027to be forced to make a decision to hire someone that might not be who we want. It's just we're trying to fill that seat because Dr. Reald is on a time schedule also. That's that's the way I feel about it. Thank you. >> Thank you Mr. Stein. Do you have any feedback or anything you'd like to share? >> Uh, I guess I would say I I agree with a lot of what Eric and Karen and said. I uh I also agree with Rodney. I'm I'm in favor of number one. I think not only not just the price, but I I felt more comfortable with him. I thought he was very much in favor of having at least two if not three candidates at the end whereas I felt uh the our second presentation was willing
028to do that but not quite as open or as warning that she was a little skeptical of it more skeptical but I thought was our first presentation was very much what we're looking for and I think uh we and do a lot more transparency than what was happening last time because it it we didn't do a good job last time. All right. So, I'm thinking from what I'm hearing number three is out from doing our little kind of straw poll here. Um, do we go around and say which one we want or do we vote on one? What's your recommendation? do that or someone can at this point can move for option one hearing appears to have support. Someone make a motion for what's the agenda? >> If that fails then we can continue discussion
029or >> Okay. So then a motion to vote on number one. Second. So roll call vote on letter A option one consult uh consulting contract for superintendent search approval for Springer area school district to enter into agreement with Pennsylvania Association of Rural and Small Schools as consultant using a hybrid approach to conduct the next superintendent search according to the terms and conditions set forth in the proposed agreement at a cost not to exceed $9,800. $ for they search an incidental cost not to exceed 1,500. Roll call vote on A1. >> Sheer Ramsey Baringer White. >> No. >> Stein. >> Yes. >> Balm. Roarb. >> Yes. >> 61. Thank you. Uh motion to adjourn the voting meeting. Second. All in favor? Great. Calling to order the director's study forum. Anyone in the audience that would like
030to address the board at this time. Right. Seeing none, we will move into our program committee's curriculum with uh Mr. Baringer. >> I'm going to toss this to Dr. Guadino. Looks like a pretty pretty easy one here. >> Yeah. Um you have a draft affiliation agreement with uh IUP um in front of you. It's a standard um similar to very a lot of other ones that we have. Um we need this particular one um because we happen to have a staff member who wants to do an internship. Ordinarily, we wouldn't need an affiliation for our own staff member, but that the the university is requiring it. So, it's it's similar to one of the ones we have and it'll allow the staff member to do our internship. >> Okay. um who's doing athletics and keeping
031it with Mr. Baringer athletics and music >> and keeping it with Dr. Guadamino. >> Thank you. You have a memo in front of you um regarding a competition cheerleading overnight request. Um the memo explains uh it allows the competition cheer group if they qualify uh to attend this uh competition um postseason. Um a majority of the costs are being covered by the athletic boosters. Yeah, hold on. It's in um all but the transportation to and from the airport, I believe is what it was. I think it was two two >> Yeah, it says 28860. I was just making sure that that was the only thing that was >> that is correct. The athletic boosters are covering everything but the trans. And if we have to pay that, that would be what we have to pay.
032All right, moving on to budget and finance with Mr. White. >> Good evening. I don't have a whole lot to report. Um there was a memo prepared regarding um the act index that was released um the base rate of 3.5 and our adjusted rate of 4.7. Um so even though we are still without a state budget and without a federal budget we are planning ahead for 2627. Um along that lines also we have um approached I'd say the remaining phase of our audit. Um, so I believe tomorrow early this week we'll have a document out to you on how we landed for the year um with a complete report of variances and explanations and we would like for all board members to rem review that and then we'd like to schedule a budget and finance
033committee meeting and when we go into that meeting if you could provide Mr. White with some key points, questions, talking points that you would like to discuss in that meeting. It would be helpful in leading the conversation and the direction of the meeting. So, you could ask about further clarification on the variances. If it does, if my report doesn't give you what you're looking for, you could ask about the budget process. We can bring back up about budget reductions and where we are with them, how we're managing um without a state budget, anything like that. Any questions for me? >> No, thank you. I appreciate that. So, basically, as I said in the last meeting, if each board member could, you know, present three to five items that they would be looking for. So, basically,
034once we get all that, we can compile. If three or four board members kind of have the same thing, we can condense that. So when we are in our meetings, we could be a little more productive and have more meaningful meetings of sitting there and going over the uh items that you're looking for. So if you know it's a individual maintenance budgets or uh teachers or this or you know what what have you, we can you know Jen and Mark can have everything together instead of sitting at the meeting and going well that's you know next meeting can we look at this and look at that. So, you know, makes our timelines go quicker. We can make our meetings again more productive. So, I'm just asking each board member, you know, to jot some things
035down that they're interested in seeing, knowing, looking at, and we can facilitate everything into, you know, better spreadsheets for everyone. So, are you saying you want us to use last year's budget to come up with them, or are we going to get a proposed budget this year with the spending that we think we need cuts or where where do we get that information at to do that? What you're asking? >> Yes. How >> um the document that we would like to get out this week is going to give you the variances of 2425. So what we budgeted and how we actually came in. So that document is going to be provided to you ahead of the meeting. Um we haven't begin to work yet on the 2627 budget. We've still been trying to close out
0362425. So um we have no preliminary numbers at all as far as 2627 go other than the act and act one index which again we'll ask you to approve the resolution in November. Um that's about all we have right now for the 2627 budget. >> Yeah. So ba basically you know look here's the bottom line. Last year we received more information we have ever received which we all have to admit even you know for the ones been sitting on this school board and asked you know have itemized budgets and have itemized this and we were always yep yep we'll get that and never seen anything. So we all have to admit last year we received more information and it was overwhelming. So alls I'm saying is this year as we go into you know what
037is it 26 27 okay now we know what to ask. We're a little more prepared and we can look at items that we didn't get a chance to see last budget. We can look at items that are going to be more present to us to see. So, I'm I'm just trying to be more visible to everyone of what we can get, what we can see, what's out there, so we're not sitting there asking numerous questions to Jen and Mark and and overloading them, uh, you know, and taking their time up of going back through and say, "Oh my god, you know, we got hours to look through this." So that way if all of us can put something together ahead of time, again, we're going to be ahead and especially since we've been receiving more
038information than again we ever have. It's going to help us if that makes any sense. >> Yeah. And the document that I have prepared, it goes over revenues in detail. Like every major line item, revenues aren't huge. But when you get into the expenditure side of it, I broke it out in two different ways. I broke it out by object level. So you can look at the 100s and 200s for salary and benefits. Um and then I also broke it out by program. So you can look at regular programs and um library services and nursing and business office and all of it and how that makes up the budget too. So it really tells the story I think. But it is going to be overwhelming as Dr. Mr. White Mr. White had mentioned because it
039on something. >> So, one of the things that we did last year um that I would like to see it this way again is we also showed it in a percentage increase and a dollar amount increase. So, we had some things as an example that went from a hundred bucks to 900 bucks, which looks like a really high percentage, but the combination of those two pieces of information together. Um, when we got towards the end, I want to say we ranked it and said, "Show us everything that was up more, not literally, but just figuratively more than 10% and was more than a $50,000 increase." And when you take all those pages of information and you shrink it down into that kind of category, I think looking at it that way was really helpful for
040people to see, having something go up by the rate of inflation should be expected. So having every little thing that go up doesn't need looked at. But I know for me looking at the percentage increase and the total dollar increase um and then breaking it out to where was the biggest areas, those two combinations was really helpful for me. And and I agree, you know, uh each each department gets a budget. So, you know, like I'd like to see, okay, you know, 24 25 or coming in 26 27. How how well did those departments run lean or or did they just take their budget and say, I'm just going to use a fictitious, you know, say say we had $30,000. Did they say, "Oh, we have $30,000." Did they spend that $30,000 to make sure
041they had no budget or were they being frugal and saying, "Okay, you know, we don't need this. You know, we can move some of that money over to, you know, 26 27 and help out." So that, you know, yes, there's some great points there and and that's why I thought this year we can ask those questions. We could see those and and be a little more involved. >> Yes. And I do have it broken out like that, Mr. Ramsey with dollar and percentages and if it was a higher percentage or dollar amount either way I have it described the reason and included that with the document. >> Um I just want to give kudos in the past year I think you guys both kind of touched on it. We've had a handful of monumental changes
042from board visibility and the district collaboration and this has been one. So, I know that it was a collaborative experience and with the prior superintendent Mark and yourself, I thank you for getting us to this place of true visibility and also where we landed with the budget last year. Um, and getting it to be where it landed. Um, that takes work and effort and those are one of the points of pride in the last 365 days. So, thank you. I would just like to say thank you to Jen for getting us the um information ahead of time. I think that helps um that we can get questions organized in Doug's way ahead of time and that'll save a lot of time. >> All right. Thanks, Jen. Um moving on to policy with Mrs. Bal. >>
043Okay. The policy committee met on September 22nd and we looked at uh policies A to F that are listed on the agenda and you received these in your packet at the end of last week. um if better than the policy itself, Suzanne puts a nice um policies to be presented for consideration paper together um showing us the number section, the title, the reason for it and the status review whether um our council has looked at it or not. So, we'll open it up for any questions or concerns. Yeah, I I personally would like to thank uh if it's Suzanne that puts these together. I mean, the uh summary is great. >> Yes. I mean, years ago, you'd have to read through the whole policy and I'm like, "Good God." >> So, no, this is absolutely
044wonderful. And thank you. >> Ditto. Thank you, Suzanne. It just makes this job a lot easier. All right. personnel. Who are we going to? I can just toss it to Dr. G. >> Okay, thank you. Um the first is a uh proposed umou between the district and the teachers association uh regarding uh SG flex. Uh we have a a situation with a a synchron student who's uh taking that course synchronously. So as we discussed earlier and it's explained in the uh in the in theou um this takes care of that problem. >> All right. And I will quote um Mr. Stein. Anyone need executive session for personnel? >> Rachel. This is Doug. I just want to say thanks. Thanks again for no missing names or in the preliminary. Uh I appreciate that's important to you.
045Does anyone need to discuss that in executive session? The confidential memo. Okay. Then those act will be on action voting for um >> I do have a question on on the random of understanding. I'm not sure is that $400 for the the whole year or is that just for the first semester? >> It's only it's both. It's only taking place in the first semester and it's the one and only. It's $400 for the year, but it's only it's going to be done by the end of the first semester. >> They're discontinued. >> Okay. It's the situation will end at the end of the first semester and that's what it's encompasses and it's not not taking place in the second semester. >> Okay. So, we're paying the $400 for the 18 weeks. >> Correct. >> All
046right. any um planning items for future agendas. >> This is not really a planning item, but I have been sitting on this and I would like to ask Mr. Gareth my two questions. Um when this sorry it uh when this happened with the with the Dr. Bradley thing, this has been politicized and weaponized and I wanted to say this the night that we had to vote on it. Um, so I'm going to ask you the two questions and I'm okay with the one-word answer that I already know what they are, but did we find anything or know of anything that was criminally done by Dr. Bradley? >> No. No, there were no criminal charges >> filed or considered at any point to my knowledge. >> And was there anything that happened that broke his contract
047that he did that violated his contract? >> To my knowledge, no. I would like to be able to answer those two questions when I get asked and the way that it has been weaponized and politicized and some of the information that is clearly coming from some board members out to people and the public I am frustrated with and I just want to move forward and I wanted to be able to answer those two things. Thank you. >> All right. >> I do have a question. Are we going to ever discuss that that pays survey? Is that >> survey? >> Yeah, we had got the information. >> Yeah. Um, Dr. Lewig, do you want to do that now or do we want to put that on the agenda or I would I think can we come
048prepared to talk about it at the next meeting? Okay, thank you so much. I think that would be good timing. More board members present and yeah, good timing. Thank you for bringing that up. Okay, thank you Dr. Lewig. Anything else? All right, motion to adjurnn.