001Okay. Chairperson Sandal here. Vice chairperson sheer here. Members Anderson here. Ruland here. Brian here. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Number four, moment of reflection or prayer. Um, James 3:13, "Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth." Thank you. Continue. Number uh number five, conflict of interest tonight, buddy. On to number six. I actually need to make a motion to amend the agenda to add discussion about policy as and then to add
002teacher contract Martin 6,500 to consent agenda. All right, we got a motion. Do we have second? Sorry. I'll make a motion to amend the agenda as second. A motion in the second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Same sign. Motion passes to approve the agenda to add a discussion um about policy 12 and add the teacher contract. Martin. All right. Number seven for the consent agenda. What she just mentioned that my in the school sits position. Make a motion to include the consent agenda. Second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Same sign. Motion passes to approve the consent agenda. Number eight, open forum. They don't have anybody here. On to number nine, approve surplus items for disposal sale. Motion to pass the items. I'll second. Motion and a second. Any discussion?
003All in favor say I. I. Same sign. Motion passes. Certain items for disposal or sale. Move on to item number 10. Approve open enrollment 2026-6 and 2026-7. I've got them here and I will pass them around. I actually there too, right? You all have. Okay. Yeah. Six and seven. Motion. Second. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. I. All same sign. Motion passes to approve open enrollment 2026-6 2026-7. Um on to number 11 schoolboard member appointment discussion. This as you all remember um they put an advertisement in the paper for um anyone to send in a letter or um provide chairperson sandal uh interest in the open opening for the award and I we received one unless you received any since we talked and that was um canvas size and brown
004and silk. Yeah. So the way it would have been had we had multiple named June meeting. So if you'd like, I can reach out to her and invite her to the June board meeting and she can sit in the audience. And then in the July meeting, it's then when you guys would appoint her to she would start her term unless you would like to reach out to her. No, I mean I guess I can say yeah, I can forward her email. Yes, please do. I think I Yeah, sounds sounds good. I don't think we don't need any action taken on that. It's just a discussion. So, I will send an email tonight. Okay, we will move on that to number 12 policy discussion. And remember, we X out uh we'll put 12 into this policy
005and we'll move on after that next to been working some policies. We have We're almost done. Yeah. But we have a few that we felt like need full board discussion before we move forward. Um and so we should have those here. I don't know if you guys had a chance to yesterday said those out, but um they're just kind of hot topics a little bit and so we just wanted to go through them with you guys. Um 3038 is the firearms policy and there are Couple of different options. Fortunately, we live in a world right now where this has to be in Boston because of safety concerns, but we don't have no or just felt like everybody got three options here essentially like prohibition, school sentinel or administrative discretion. The administrative discretion one but I
006would encourage just a quick talk and it'll get I guess one of the scenarios brought to our attention in mind was with a student and their parents switch vehicles during the day and the parent had a rifle in the back seat in the concealed, you know, gun carrying during hunt season. going to be very what happens when that gets caught and it's not the kid's fault, parents fault, but it wasn't, you know, maliciously going to like intended to be used by any means. It just ended up being in the those are the scenario one of the scenarios that we brought up in our another scenario that I've had just this year is and yes, I went to visit with a parent. It's cabin time in the ranch pickup and I notice a a rifle in
007the front seat. Okay. Like a children pick up like after school picking up their kids type of deal. Yes. Yes. And I went out to So I wasn't invite. I mean it wasn't like I I walked out there just to say hi and I was sending something. Okay. I don't want to have to deal with this kind I mean with illegal stuff within a situation like that. I would love to have something that covers our safety without treating our life. Say it that way. Yes. While I agree, but I don't know. My take is as a responsible firearm, you know, you're going to the school. I carry when I go to rapid, but we have a discussion before we leave the house. If we're going to base, I can't take it on base, so I
008leave it at home. And that's my take on it. You know that you're going to town to go to the school to pick up your kid. You leave it at home because you're not allowed to have it on school grounds. Or do you leave it if you're 30 miles north of Wall and your home west to wall? But also, even if that's my issue, I don't know. Sometimes you have to plan ahead. I mean I but sometimes I'm not sometimes I leave home at 6 and not knowing I'm going to pick the kid up putting in that to me this policy is about district personnel isn't isn't that what this one is for this district patron but this is just anybody this is kind of where we live and this is why I like what
009I like about KSB is that they they give us options. I am a fan of option C just because of where we live and how we live. I I am too and I don't mean to interrupt you but with option C that would mean every farmer rancher that's potentially could have a firearm in their vehicle has to come get approval from the administration saying from one of the admins saying hey it's okay that this person and this person and this person has it and then we have to vet everybody when we stick by the let's be real honest if you're coming to the school to pick up your kid and you realize oh shoot I have my rifle in here you put it under the back seat your pickup out of sight, out of mind.
010And you don't bring it up. It's not like somebody's going to be going and digging around your vehicle. You don't leave it on the passenger seat and wide open right down there where you have we had to deal with like trap shooting students that trap shoot and don't they have we had to deal with that at all? I know that some of the kids that trap shoot have guns that come apart, which would be less of an issue. I would I'll be honest, I have not been in anybody's when they brought the issue of trap shooting on. It was made known that no firearms or ammunition were to come on school property. And I think they've done a really good job. I've never seen anything in anywhere. The one the one concern I have about
011anything is the um concern about people leaving fire unattended. I I I read Campy magazine and the number of people who leave their weapons in the bathroom are is just astronomical. That's SRO. People who are used to carrying weapons will hang their weapon up on the door when they use the bathroom and beat it there. That's that's my concern is that a weapon is getting left unattended and some kid finds it. There stories kids finding guns and taking them to principles or teachers or whatever. Haven't heard any issues of a student being hurt by one, but well, and I don't think we've had any issues with this because I'm fairly certain that our district policy now is weapon. No weapons. Okay. I was like under district policy A option A or now is Sally in
012violation of her position if she doesn't turn something like that in. What if we do option C? Any of discretionary? I that's why I wonder like I don't know but like your point then you got to go and judge and jury you got to get every your evidence right because you know there might be people in that would be like hey I would like to bring a weapon like be able to carry and you look at them you're like I don't think that's probably a good idea but then you have to justify why we won't let Johnny not bring it but you let Jimmy bring it. Well, I don't see what I don't see doesn't to me give anybody I mean, if I'm hearing you right, Bill, it doesn't give anybody any excuse to to
013be with campus unless you're checked in and right, you have to sign in. I mean, so it doesn't like give us the little more um can't give us doesn't give us the room for common sense. When dad dropped off the pickup, I forgot the 22 is in fact, right? It does. He still doesn't do that to me unless she does this put us as far as hunter safety of course. I mean will there be Yeah. So when I a firearm brought into the classroom to teach, you know what I mean? Or is that going to be the whole thing? I think they teach Well, if it is though, law enforcement, right? Because that Yeah, because that would be another um so game fish and park guys are treated like law enforcement. Okay, I say guys,
014game fish and park employees are treated like law enforcement and there would be the right documentation. When I had PE in my former school, when we had PE class, we had lifetime sports and we did play shooting. Um, we locked the guns up in the vault. The kids all brought their guns. We locked them up in the vault and then I went out with them every time that they shot and then I'd bring the guns back and put them in the vault. I don't think we have a problem with this here at all. Like I and me personally, I don't see a problem with somebody that has a firearm in their vehicle coming through the pickup line and picking up their kid. I I don't I I want to say that Tyrell brought up a
015good point though. I don't want to get in trouble. You go up and talk to them and then somebody else sees that you were talking to him and they have a weapon in their vehicle. Well, Sally saw it, didn't say anything. Now they're raising flags and now the school's in hot water because what is the school's recourse? So, say we adopt this any anyway. Sure. And a parent falls through the line similar to what year happened. What's your recourse then? Like the parent is in violation of district policy. What happens? Yeah. No district doesn't say here. Um okay. So any person other than members of who wants to have a firearm on school property must each one says and the districts will contact but that's what I'm saying like what happens law enforcement comes and
016like escort you off the property or like you are in violation of district policy your kids are kicked out of school like I learned not being in violation. Do we put something in there saying that, you know, the sorry uh the person will be asked to leave the property immediately and that's the end of it. And any any secondary or more offenses of this happening will result in, you know, banning or, you know, now you're trespassed from the property and can't come on. I mean, I think I think that's a little more common sense than it just being, oh, we got to call the cops now and now, you know, Farmer Fran that was was just coming back from protecting his cattle. Now they're in trouble for no reason. I mean, with the community we
017live in, I don't see an issue. Bill, what if you did after and the district will contact? What if you said the district may the district may contact at our discretion? You know, what's the nature of this, right? somebody waving a gun. That's a real or or did I see something and now I haven't talked with the and maybe this time it's may not contact law enforcement again. I I don't know. But then that leaves the district having to be in a tough spot for administrators on how to make that call to you know what I mean. And so that's I don't find it that difficult to put it away somewhere. Again, you're not supposed to bring it on the school property, and I'm not condoning it, but if you have a rifle, 99% of
018people that are driving pickups to pick up their kids have back seats. You slide it underneath the back seat, you throw your coat over the top of it. I mean, and I don't see that even as a that's not a way of hiding that's not a way of hiding it in a criminal manner. No, that's securing it. That's what I I like policy number one, the leave will insert May. Um, but one question I have is if we did want a school sentinel, then we have to adopt new policy. Should we just adopt? Can't you put the And can't you just put school sent in there? And even though we don't have one just to get the kids to get one. Yeah, you got to pick option A, option B, or option C. And if
019we ever do get one guys, we can always switch our we can always adop add the set. Well, but I'm but yeah, just adopt it. Just adopt me instead. I don't know. I It's this is tricky because I am big proponent of armed people in the school who are licensed and proficient and competent competent to be that way because I don't I strongly believe that there is no bigger deterrent for school violence or mass shootings than someone in your building who could intervene. Sure. Oh, like we ever had a teacher that had all just figured everything he needed, all the standards, every check mark, and he wanted to be concealed care. I don't know if that's legal, but under option C it is, right? Or B. Or B. I mean, I think B would cover
020us that way too, but um I guess B is more to be like that if you want to have somebody in the school. to say you got a teacher or somebody like that who wants to be involved in that and I'm I'm all for that versus option C administrative discretion saying know only this person can this person can this out public people I guess that's me you notice that under that school sentinel training required it does say the district granting such permission to a person completing the training does not constitute the creation of a school sentinel program. It's not making them an agent of the district. It's just the district, but you'd have to go through the training. I guess I sure don't have a problem with that. Is it the hours of training of
02130? Maybe a lot. I mean, depends if you're going to carry a gun in a school full of kids. I don't think I don't think so. But I think anybody who's going to be going through this and I mean, we would interview everything that's in there, they're going to have more than 80 hours in because it's their hobby. They like shooting. They go to range and practice and yeah, they're going to have other They're very easily have 80 hours. My father-in-law probably has that above almost the shooting just for target practice. Yeah. But I'm just saying like people who are interested in doing this are probably going to have other training already to back this up and as long as they're keeping up on their qualifications or certifications and they're interviewed to know those things.
022I'm not saying we just give our new middle school science teacher or English teacher or whoever permission, you know, there's they can laid it out pretty and if they're passionate about carrying they will go through whatever hoops there is to go through and and with a um trying to think. So at a game or sent here have sent but does carry mean concealed carry. What's carrying look like? So, it says that they have to have a a valid concealed weapons permit. Still carrying you, but I don't know what it maybe, you know, it's a really pro guys said, "Yeah, right on the hip." That's good. Sometimes that creates a little bit of angst, especially in a school where it's like, "What is this guy doing with the gun? We're not used to this." Right. I
023would I would want that to be a steal to keep it out of the way. I agree. I think they I don't want other people thinking, well, man, that I can pack my Jim Bob does it now. I could do it. Somebody out on the streets that have not law enforcement. It just makes me because I'm not a gun person. And I'm I'm a gun person enough that I to me like those kind of people that do that, that's not to me. You're carrying it out. But um you know, I look at him as a target if somebody were to come in and be do something crazy. Like if I'm a crazy person in Walmart and my goal is to shoot up Walmart, that's my first target because that's a threat. Well, and I mean
024I am I am a gun person too and I always carry gun when I went to school, but I'm a big believer in you don't you don't want everybody to know that. You don't like you as that person, you don't want people you don't want to be in their face about it, especially in a situation like this. I don't know. I'm this is why we want to bring this to the whole board just because we thought this was more this is a pretty big topic. So I like the will or may instead of will. Can we ask our attorney if they if that law that might not apply depending on what she says. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to discuss with her on next week. I think you ax the you ask the will part on
025um so I would pay yeah and make that may and then as far as I can see school s training this is for a concealed weapon which we mean it's concealed I'm afraid on a lawyer's part she'll sit there and say well that puts all the liability on the administrator that gives that may and not will liability may contact law enforcement but still tell them to leave like you got to go. You can't be here with that. Well, it could maybe just be rever reversed that um person will be will be considered a trespasser will be removed and the district may contact law f just switch that around. will be removed and the district may s it'd be real easy for you to come up to my vehicle and be like, "Bill, you're not supposed
026to have that on school grounds. I need you to leave." Yeah. And most everybody that lives here, kids go to school here, they have friends in town. If if somebody called me that lives out in the country, hey, I brought my my rifle or my pistol with me. I need to go pick up the kids. Can I bring it over to your house? Jamie, I'm for surely going to allow that another one. So if we edit that and take this to Sarah, we have a meeting next week. You guys be okay with us presenting that option that way. Yeah. If she disagrees once, we have an option B. So we make a decision. Well, I think if you disagree, you have to just stick with and I mean with the scenario we're talking about, all
027of these options make the person that's just pulling in with their rifle wrong to be here. So, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So, like reversing that first no matter what situation if if the law will allow it like It's reversing. You're not really taking that one. Um, this one you got 52. Sorry, I have 605. Okay, but we have to talk about this one. I turned this off cuz Kelly was talking to me about that. We don't need to. I guess here's what she was at. It It came up last night. You guys remember I told you there's a requirement by the state to take half a credit of um geography and half a credit of world history. me our teacher has said with the new standards and just old things that are out there to
028I mean she just can't get through it in a semester and it used to be a whole year so I said two we can make it a whole year we're behind with the history and the government and some of that anyway these days and um so here's where so we are the the school our wool school is recording ing four units of social studies. It's a it's US history, US government, and then um geography, which our kids really need help on, and world history. Here's the deal. So, when a student, here's Kelly's question. When a student fails, which I brought it up last night, if a student fails a semester, we still make them make it up because the state only requires one semester. And so the committee last night said if we're going to
029ask them to take a year of it, we want them to pass a year of it. So yes, they will to make up a whole year. Okay. So then how do you want how do we want that? If we use credit recovery online, it's $260 per semester paid for. Does a kid pay child pay student pay for that? Even though the state doesn't require it or does the school district school district going to require it or pay for it? We also have one class of it next year. So if it it may work in that we're a small school so it may work into that child's students schedule it may not to take it again because we talked about Mr. Sakora said and and do we so we've got some kids right now that are
030in this vote. we lay it on right now saying you're gonna pay $500 because you failed that whole class and this is kind I I don't know where we want to go with it. So thought we kind of discussed about it last night on on our side and my side is that we're asking them to take these four years. They know they need to take four years of it. They have to have four credits. They know that since they're a freshman. So, if they're screwing around and they're gonna fail those classes and then wait till their senior year and they only have two and a half credits, that's that's on them. I mean, that is not on it. It gets us into it's a little sticky because it's the state requirements versus all school requirements,
031but either we have the state requirements or we have all schools requirements. And if ours are higher, then they need to abide by those, I believe. And if if a kid is struggling that bad in history or government or whatever and it's their senior year um and they have to pass that class to graduate, trust, I just I just had one of these. There's nothing more motivating for that kid than you will not get a diploma if you do not pass this class. And I just think that our teachers can recognize that stuff early early enough on to get them the help they need to pass the class rather than wait until May first and saying you're not going to graduate. I mean, they have to see it coming, right? Yes. So, Mr. Sakor, I'm
032going to use you, Mr. Sakura. We had this conversation today. Should this start with um because last year it was one semester of each and then and then this year we asked them to take freshman one and sophomore one. Should we pay for the ones for now and start with our freshman coming in, eighth graders, freshman coming in. This will be in policy. This will be pointed out and they pay for their own credit if they or they can take it in with the they can take it the next year. You might not get to take basketing. You may have to take world history, which is kind of the way it should be in my opinion. If you're lacking and you have a an elective a mess off elective class that you're going to go
033play around with, but you also need this requirement, you should be you should have to take this requirement instead of basketball. The sophomores going into this next freshman going to sophomores next year. They have the same requirement though, right? One full credit. We asked them to take the class was one year. Yes. Yes. So law school we didn't I don't know if it was written anywhere that they had to pass that. Do you see what I'm saying? Wasn't written anywhere we did. But every because the state requires to have what's our policy and in the past in the past it's never been in the policy before. It's been it's been in the handbook here and there and it's and it's done to the board like okay Chuck has failed geography second semester but he passed
034it first semester. is going to have enough credits to graduate and he's going to meet the state requirements of having that credit. And in the past, the board that's waved or the principal or the superintendent has waved the person taking it that second semester. Now, my concern is if the freshman didn't know about that requirement that they have to pass both this year and then we drop that. No, we've got to pass it and you've got to I think it's kind of a but isn't the expectation to pass all your classes? It is. Okay. And though that that hasn't been enforced consistently and to drop that on them after I I don't think we're dropping anything on a sophomore. I'll be honest with you. And someone going in I if we are going to say
035it's after the fact. I think we need to It's not really after the fact a year into high school, right? We're talking about freshman going to be sophomores, right? Do we have quite a few pe um I know. But maybe maybe they were told or maybe they thought they were and they knew quite a long time ago that they were not passing but they didn't know that they would have to take that extra. The question is were their sophom They're going to be sophomores now. Yes. They have three full years to make up a half a I think that's plenty time to get them to make it. if this were about to be seniors and like I think great we grandfather junior seniors we'll we can we'll figure out a way to make that happen
036but upcoming freshman upcoming sophomores they have plenty of time and my point last night was if we are going to have a higher standard than what the state requires that we need to have that higher standard for the entire population and not just these two couldn't make it so we'll go ahead and forgive that but we expect it out of everybody But when it comes down to legality issue and you look at the whole picture of it, guys, you cannot change the rules partway through. Even if it's one year out of four, that's 25% of their life in high school. You can't I I I agree with you on toughen up. You have three years to do it, figure it out. But if you look at a spectrum of all humans and they've already been
037in it for 25% of their high school career, they're already committed to it and they were given these guidelines, they got to stick with those guidelines. So in our handbook now it only says they need state standard. They only need three credits of history to graduate. I don't know what I do agree with you. The state standard the state. So then so then I can see that. So upcoming freshman they have these but it's going to be a bookkeeping nightmare for three years getting these three. I said you don't take underwater bath and I don't think it will be too bad. two of those kids. So if if this is what we do, the one student won't have to make up. He only was missing the student was missing like half of half a correct.
038The other two would then have to make up half of it because they failed the whole year. So if we don't make them work, so if we go Tyrells and we don't make them recover that half a credit, but they need to know that they have to pass the next three years of history of government or whatever. They have to have a half a credit of geography. I don't know. They have to have at least one of those. If they if they failed both semesters, they still have to make up one semester because that's the state requirement is three units, right? But including the half of one half of geography, one half of world history, US history and then government. So if they failed a whole year of the one that they require a half
039on, then they have to retake it anyways. Yes. So they're so they're going to have to take half a year of the world history if they fail to hold. Right now that's the way I mean right now. I say you let the upcoming sophomore class be grandfathered in. Start with the freshman and anything you don't pass. No pick end up not passing. It's above the state requirement. Veteran to say the school pay for that class. What do you guys think? Then we then we make our expectation for units. If we're going to bend the knee for that, then we don't make our standard higher. We leave it as the state required. So say that again. I think aren't having enough time to teach, right? I'm saying you have to you do have to you do
040requirement. I'm just saying who pays for it? They do. Over and you're saying we pay over and I'm surrendered. I wondered about that. Do we pay over and beyond what the state requires? So that would be like that half semester per credit recovery. Yeah. But then we're still letting them graduate under our standard. Oh, I was meaning I would guess I was it would be a half because I'm only meaning for above and beyond the state. Did these three students fail the whole year or just half the year? Two of them. Two of them. Not names though. One one test, one semester, two fail the whole year. But we've also got another student who's going to be a senior that's going to have to make stuff up because this has not been consistently I'm one
041if you fail this year you make it up this summer next year. You don't let it drag off. That's why we have seniors still needing the P credits and we have seniors still needing the credit to get things done. I think every I think what Ridge is saying guys, we keep our wall standards like we are saying here. If the kid pass if if the kid fails a whole year, they have to pay for one half a unit. Yes. School district will pay for the other half a unit that they require. Right. So the student will pay for half of the full unit and then the school pick up the other half unit that the school requires is what you were saying. We're we're picking up the expense for the half credit that's above and
042beyond what only if it's the credit recovery program, right? Yes. They could take it during the school year. it works into a schedule. It doesn't take away from a core of class, right? You see where I'm saying? Because our don't have a lot of options in a small school with one sections, right? And I'm a big believer in I think it's administration is too that our standard is the wall school district standard. I don't I mean I mean we're we're grassroots. We want to be here. We want local control. This is our standard. The students going to live by our standard. That's why we have school boards. Why would we not? I mean realistically we set the standards for our student. So I like it that we're going above and beyond. Not outrageously above and
043beyond but we are going should pass that but it's a question of who should pick the what if it's above the state's requirement. I think we pick that up if it's on a credit. Are we teachers that well I don't know about second have recognized it. It did. We've been working with these kids. Oh okay. That was my next question was are we doing Friday school? We have documented. We meet every Wednesday night. We have plans for these kids. We have strategized for these kids. We have other extra things. At what point is the accountability going to fall on the kid instead of bend over backwards for him, make sure that we're doing everything we can to hand them every bit of information they can get and they just don't care. I think it takes
044both and that's why when there is some stuff going on here where attendance is a it's natural consequences. Yes. Um because when you don't want to come to school and you don't want to work, this is what happens. except that if I didn't go to my job or what I mean it's I I wonder a little bit if we're not setting our kids up failure a little bit just going especially going into college because I I this is hard because I see both sides like I want to help these kids as much as they can but I also don't want to send them out the door to college and then have them expect to have their handheld away and be like oh you failed this class and it cost you $6,000 but that's okay you
045can just do it again and not them not expect that it's going to cost them another when you say does a teacher have them guys like the world of technology and that the grades are at their fingertips their attendance and it's interesting now that I have these final exams and require these certain things these kids know exactly how many minutes that they can miss school and not have to take it they'll come in and say I know I missed on this day and and I have this activity on this day and do you think you can count this one as one instead of two. No. Don't come back. No. Um, in that they they know. So if they say they don't I struggle with that. So what what if you had if you had a
046a student that has real trouble and and maybe doesn't provide themselves and we go out we pay for half the credit and he pays for half the credit and doesn't pass and who's accountable and what do you do if the student never brings forth the money that it's a prepaid thing isn't it? Yeah, you have to pay for it. And so if they So I think that's there that's a oneoff ever graduate. Yeah, that's that's exactly it. Okay. Right. And you got to know the scenario of the family in my opinion some events. Yeah. So like you hear of angel funds like the students like the lunch money. We we have quite a bit of money that we have donations. If there's recovery money, like if a family can't afford it, we have funds that
047are given for these type of situations. That's how I look at it is if there's some say not disobedient little kid or high schooler that, you know, the family could afford the $200 for the class, he's just not never wanting to learn, just doesn't give a hoot and just thinks he's the next greenest thing on earth. You don't want a school paying for that. But I I look at it as a scholarship opportunity where if you know the family cannot afford it and they need help, the student needs the help, that's when you do it. The thing of it is though, and I'm going to just be really real about this, the way school is run nowadays, there is no reason a student should pass. They have they they have all freaking semester to turn
048in their work. They still get credit for it. They fall behind. They can make it all up. I mean, there is zero reason a student shouldn't pass a class. not all semester like they they get fall behind and then they can make it all up. They come in. It's very similar in that right to college because in college you get your syllabus at the end of the year. You could do all the work right now or you can wait till the end and be like here you go here's everything like they don't really have due dates. It's about learning and so what can we reteach and what can you rework learn it later. But what's important about that is the communication factor. It's not I've been quiet all semester and I'm bombing my class because
049I don't understand it, but I haven't been able to talk to my teacher about it or talk to you or talk to you Chuck and be like, "Hey, I'm really struggling here." 95% of the teacher 99% of the teaching here, if a student walked in after school, hey, do you have a second? I'm I'm struggling. I'm struggling with this. I just don't get it. I can't comprehend the geography portion. and I can't memorize all the capitals or whatever the case is. They're going to do stuff to work with them and make it more conducive to learning for them. Like I think we have a very good faculty. I think that the the whatifs we're talking about are so such a minute portion of what we have here that I love our higher standard. I love
050that our grading scale is higher. I absolutely do because now these kids are going to graduate and go to college and they're going to be like, "I don't need an 80 for a B. It was at 85 last year. So it's it the communicate it that builds them for life because if you're struggling with something that's in at work and you go to your boss, I have a deadline but I'm struggling with this. I've been trying and this is what's going on. They're not going to can you right there. Oh, okay. Let's get people working with you. Let's figure it out. Based on your oneoff scenario, I this isn't necessarily emotions. is not something we voted on, but why don't we go in the direction, guys, where we grandfather the This is going to be
051a little discussion one, but grandfather the sophomores and the standards that they started high school with. The ones coming up, we're going to start here. We have our own district standards and they got to follow them. And if they do not pass the district standard that's put out by the district, the district puts is the oneoff scenario that's going to happen. Let's work with them. And if it's one or two more times, they don't pass the one time, we can come to the school board and tell them, well, this time they're we can change that, but the first time in good faith, the district pays what for whatever the district requires above and beyond state standard. Y very well said, Tyrell. Oh, what a what an eloquent. You know, this is off the topic, but
052it is real to me and it is real to some of our kids and that is expectations for middle school. They right now, middle schools where I have the largest percentage of behavior struggles, which is part of the age have there is no cheap in what we do. And I'm not a believer in retention. um keeping kids back. No research shows that that is effective, but we have to create a requirement to learn. And right now, I mean, we don't make them do any summer school. We don't ask them to if they fail, they they fail and we move on. So, that's just something I want you to put in your back of your minds and think, what do we want that to look like? Because kids realize that the kids who are selfdoers and
053pushers do do fine. It's the ones who don't want to be in school and they don't. Now, we've seen a turnaround though, which is exciting. some kids have have turned around with their attitudes and so we're bidding places and that's exciting for because um a thought for you to take on another day next one actually will be changing in three weeks will be changing in three weeks wanted to talk to you guys about a little Don't know for sure why we're talking about it except the kids aren't clear law. Um it was the no other adornments are allowed I believe is what graduation cap. So, South Dakota by law states, "The state or any of its political subdivisions may not prohibit any Native American student from wearing an eagle feather, eagle plume, or an appropriate
054beed graduation cap at a school honoring or graduation ceremony. A school administrator may determine if a beed graduation cap is appropriate." So, that is what the law says. But this policy, the very last sentence, the last paragraph talks about That is the only decorations allowed on a graduation cap and we because the state mandates it because the state mandates that no the state mandates that we can't stop those specific things that and uh if they're joining the military they can adorn things. Yep. But other than those two that that military is the new law coming changing. So they're going to allow that and they're going to say that the school can't stop that. So they but this policy is a is not state law that no one other this is our policy noon would allow
055and we just don't know that that is right by allowing one group of people to decorate and nobody else but they do have did you guys read the blog today it's very good they had an incident they've had several incidents but with vulver derogatory things being put on. You get into first amendment violation when you tell kids they can or can't decorate their caps a certain way. So, they just have said no adorments are allowed other than these ones that are allowed by law. And as of now, the history of wall has always been a clean graduation with no decorating except we did have kids with feathers. Yep. They're we did the that. So when I read that blog too and what she talked about last night was where she our attorney has had to
056deal with a situation where a kid was mad at the school and put FU school mad when and when they get after it then they can sue for first amendment rights. Okay. And so that's different than help me maybe I'm saying it wrong. First amendment rights are a little bit different than full appropriate. But Sarah did kind of go back and forth last night on that because she said, "Well, you could put a caveat in here saying that uh abiding by our school policy on dress code and what's appropriate." And then it my take sorry my take on it was I'm all for the ability to be proud of what you're doing whether it's going to the military Native American or going to college going to welding school going to cut hair and putting like
057scissors in a coma you know like I'm all for being able to sit there with something on your cap showing how proud you are of what you're going to move on to do and I don't find it, for lack of a better way to say it, fair to everybody that doesn't fall in those parameters to no, you don't get anything. And like she said, the only reason that passed is because they had a good lobbying group the time of that law and no other foundation spot against and that's all they lobbyed for. You can't stop us, you know. Well, and I I did read about it and it was more along the lines of that's a traditional thing that Native American students did and there were schools that were like, "No, you can't wear that."
058And they were like, "Well, no, this is part of my my heritage. Like, this is what I my culture. This is what I want to do." And schools were like, "No." And that's where like I read quite a few articles about it and I found it very interesting that because at first I was ticked like why is it okay for one group to do something but nobody else can and then after reading it I kind of got better a better better sight of it. So, I guess why we brought this to you guys was do you think there's value in getting rid of the no other adornments allowed and adding a caveat to following school policy on dress code and what's appropriate or with administration approval what they can have. No other adorments are allowed
059without without administrative approval or just adding something you will get. We'll say I want those caps approved by Wednesday. They won't come and they won't come and they won't come and all of a sudden they'll show up on Saturday. I will not fight it on Saturday. Well, they I have too much to do on Saturday. Big fight cats. Yeah, I kind of, you know, two years last year, I didn't realize that it was a not a thing here and they asked me about it and I said, "Well, yeah." So, they got all excited about it and then I found out that that is not a traditional law. So, I went back in and said, "Kids, I'm sorry I told you wrong. We don't do that here." I took the blame. That was last year's class.
060This year they mentioned it and I said, "No, we don't do that. That's they took it, went with it." And that's a bunch that is not the kind. But they just said, "Okay, we wish we would, but that's okay." And if we're going to stick with I I I'm not from here. You know, Tyrell said that traditionally wall doesn't do that. If we're going to go with that and that's that's what we're going to go on, I'm all for it. like this is the tradition of wall school and how we do things. I am all for it. I'm just not for the torment of the banner business and I had more people in and out of my office over that. I I don't really want to deal with that with graduation pack whether you believe
061one way and you think we should do this. It's fine. We just wanted this one to be a board decision and not just a threeperson cut. I like the clean cut look. I mean, I understand the feathers in this, but I think it gets messy and it's a distraction and from the ceremony. And I think keep the decorated caps for when you achieve your college goal, you know, when you graduate and can decorate it. I don't know. I just think I like But what would you do if somebody came in and they wanted to put a cross on their desk? Well, same thing as a bedroom. You can't can't allow that. But I mean it's it is can I asked that. They have their sister that our meeting. Yeah, we asked that specifically. We just
062need the groups to go and lobby for that. Dead honest. That's all it is. If you won't lobby the state, they'll probably Can we just say long as it doesn't violate school policy and dress code, right? Carolyn's got a good point. I could put Satan has it on there. Right. Yeah. Well, and if you open it up, I mean, can't stop you, I guess. But I think that um it looks to me like the state law, they're allowing you to adorn your hat. It basically a cultural I don't know, right? And so you could just say um your graduation or got something to cultural tradition, I guess, but you have to deem cultural. I'm German. I was like, "But I'm a German history." I'm not where I was going. Okay. Like a beer mug or
063something. I don't know. You know what? I think this is uh this is the tricky one, but it's not such an issue to me that Yeah, I believe it the way it is. I like cleaning graduation. It's what it's always been. It's like I don't agree with this singling out one group like Bill's saying, but it's state law. That's another battle for another day. And I I just I think for now that this is good. The next thing you want I'm not in order. Sorry. Here you go, Amy. This one I did send back right now and I was This one I just kind of put in because it tied in with that other one. I think it kind of already touched base with it. And we talked about this how we wanted it. Yeah.
064So I think we can skip that one with the other one. The other one. Sorry. So you because we kind of touched with it with the uh graduation or the sorry we talked about this one as a group too. We went back and forth a lot. We wasted a lot of time on this. We had a three-hour policy meeting last night and uh we just one we have right now is on the second page. It was close to close to as we do only before and after school and during passing and lunch option. It was brought up by our attorney and I've read the same articles. There is more and more evidence that kids still cannot. It is such an addiction that even having it in the pocket distracts. Buzzes and lights up. Buzzes and
065lights up. Somebody told me I talked I asked them to shut their notifications off but they they still buzz. Somebody or Sarah, you said somebody had a dummy phone that they put in. Oh, yeah. I got my kids. I talked to them about it last night. They said a lot of kids put calculators in that. I mean, they're pretty. It needs to be left lockers and passing time and lunchtime. They go to the locker and but they Yeah, they don't lock their lockers. And and here's my thing is we have problem. I need to go to the bathroom. Some kids you can't keep drink even though we have a rule. don't go through any class unless you have special kind of special permission. It gets tougher and tougher to say you can't go to the
066bathroom and then they go and they get their phones and they have bathroom if you leave them in the locker and leave them in the classroom if they're in the pocket. Do we go totally against it? I I don't know if I want to start locking them up, you guys. as far as for us because then we have to unlock them every time a kid leaves. Looked at our attendance. You know, we got kids coming and going a lot. So, that'd be a full-time job. Is that what those magnetic bags are called? That's Yonder Brothers. Yeah. The I my nephew's school up in North Dakota has those. And they lock them up and they keep them in It's a special magnet and they keep them in the office. And there's only one certain magnet that
067opens the the pocket back up and they get them when they leave. We talked about putting putting one of these. So there's 25 20 or there's 30 of them. What if we had one of those in the office for each grade? They come into school. They put their phones in there and they go about their day. So, but what happens when you were talking about leaving their locker, maybe keeping their locker unlocked, somebody's stealing their phone. What happens? somebody comes in acts like they put their phone in there or take somebody else's phone because they know somebody's and that's why we that's why I think schools are scared to do those kind of things is because of that are really expensive these days. So I remember we brought up last night it's not necessarily it's
068more the follow through with with teachers when there's phones aren't there or when they put a dummy phone in or like they're not looking in that bag making sure that I got 17 kids or 17 phones here they're all phones. I think we had a good start last year. There are some teachers that are doing a darn good job with this like this. And if they catch up with it, do they keep the phone the rest of the day? They usually bring them into the office and then and then I give it to the kid at the end of the day if it happens two or three times. Then they sit and we had several kids. They'd have to turn their phone in at the beginning of the day and go do their thing. Or
069if a kid got drunk, we had middle school. Now, here's what Chuck and Becca, they kind of said, "What if we took what if we just said no phones at all to middle schoolers?" That's where I have the most. That's where I have them videotaping inappropriately at lunchtime. Um, parents, I'm just going to say, it's I know it's public. That's where we get the probably the most traffic on those phones are coming from parents to our students. And I know that they don't mean for those messages to get read during class, but we have an addiction with phones, guys. So, as soon as that thing me as soon as I that indicates that I have a message, kids are feeling the need. And I'm going to say it's a we are we're kind of like
070that, too. they're feeling the need to figure out what that is. That's why like letting them have it during lunch, no matter what grade they're in, is necessary so they can catch you up and see what their parents say they need to do. I don't think that is a problem. And I it's kind of like um AI. We also have an AI policy. I guess I'm a believer that this is our world and we teach our kids to use them responsibly. that but also do you teach kids how to communicate face to face and we have their phones in the pockets and even they go down the hallways in between classes there by sitting on their phones and if you take phones away do they it's not going to change anything though Tyrell because that's
071everywhere that that is absolutely everywhere everywhere you look I mean shoot walk into a doctor's office everybody anybody sitting there restaurant restaurant couple is sitting there not talking well not even them even you walk into a restaurant they'll whole tables. Well, they have those computer things on the tables and it's like your kids can't stay away from those. I mean, pick them up and take them to a whole another table because it's very costy money to Yeah. I won't do it. I think that I'll see what those I mean the yonder thing. It's it's interesting, but I think if we just really worked on enforcing that policy um most of the time I mean I would think I could tell if you're on your phone right here. I mean, you're looking down, you're glancing at
072it. So, nobody looks at their frog. We could build some build some coffee bags out of fair fabric and it wouldn't be a problem. But if you walk, I don't know what that is. Everybody's Everybody's phone should be in there, including probably uh pro. Yeah. Yeah. Just um I I guess you guys tell me what to do. If I had a suggestion, I'd like another year at using this. Okay. before and after school, during passing lunch option. I would you be open to Okay, so the yonder or bag? Let me Would you So then we had a bag that hung on the wall that cell phones cannot make noise through because they can't get a signal through. That's what I was wondering. They might cost a little more, but they cost $73. They have pockets,
073too. You know, the bags, they're big bags. Yeah. $72. My bag's about this. You have That's where my kids go. That is a great That's a great idea though. Block like they block all the all the signals for so like your radio so I'll bring that high and think. Yeah, I'll bring you one and you can look at it. But if they just hang on the wall and but their phones are not going to be buzzing through and making noise. And I like that. I like that. But if they if we had an emergency situation and kids had to get their phone, it's not a cell phone jammer in the classroom, they can get their phone out of the bag and it will But for privacy though, are we digging through a pile of phones
074and looking at yours and looking at mine? You know, so and so texted him or Well, I'm saying we could or are they dark? Do I make some denim bags with Aren't they see-through on both sides? Yeah. Uh, could you put a dark fabric on one side? But the thing is is having no service. We don't want them to make noise. I mean, not seeing them is one thing, but we also buy fairy fabric by the bolt and you could still what do you call it? Oh, fair fabric. Do they make those hope like baggies for like that or you know this sounds like a business idea, right? You guys, that is so easy. That's two pieces of fabric with a I could make a lot of them in an hour. I'll send you a
075link for some fabric and just look at it. You know what I'm saying? Like for this, if we want to hang bags on things, if we if we're if the notifications and the buzzing things like we can work with that because we can make something, I'll send you a link. You can look at it. But if that's the direction we want to go, we bag with the bags for now. just becomes a way if it I would love to make it more. Is that like the second one? Is that what we're kind of saying? That's supposed to be. Well, only because I I hate to What's the difference between these bags that jam the signal bags we have now? They still taking I like the ones that jam signal or something. That way it's not
076going off and disturbing class. Class is the time to focus and listen to your teacher. That thing's buzzing, making noise over there. Everybody's like, "Which one's it?" And no one's listening to Der. Well, they have done studies on it. Just the sound of it and just the like it they lose their focus. It's crazy. And and you know, as we watches too, so if there's not a signal runs through their phone, that's true with the watch. No, some of them are direct. Their watches should have to go in the bag with them. I liken this to when we go into a cheating secret secured environment. Like I can't even take my key fob in where there's classified terms. Like we have things on the outside of the door where you take your phone, your watch,
077and your keys and you put them in there. You go into the room, you do what you got to do, and you come back out and you put it on. Like the watches should be going too. You know what I mean? My is it blue? Does it does it block YouTube? It will block all but if if if you have I guess I don't have a smartwatch. So I don't know if like does it have its own signal? So even if you're far away from your phone, will your watch work? Yeah. Yeah, mine does because it has its own. If I leave if I leave my phone at home, I can still get But not all do. Yeah, that's not how Yeah. Mine like Samsung. So like that one wouldn't put like if your watch
078had it own Apple Watch. I think our rule with the watches where they have a distraction they go in the pocket sewing 43.3 in by 118 in of that fabric for 39 bucks on Amazon. There you go. 40 bucks. Were you using yourself? Yeah, I was a superintendent if it's that easy. I'm I'm addicted. I might have a business deal going. I'll invest. I get a cut of that. I'm a senior. It's on video. My idea. So, this works over trademark. That's the question. Yeah. And we'll call them Sally bags. Put your phone in the Sally bag. It's better than yonder bag. That's That's a vow short on a word right there. So, we're keeping up with the bags. Looking into the blocking bags, right, guys? Which one are we on now? Mine are on
079library. Oh, this one's going to be updated. There's new laws coming soon. We just need to know what we want to do until then. But isn't it going to be coming like real soon? I think in the next month, right? I just I just printed them out. She had a list on an email and I just printed them out. So I don't know. Okay. This one I think every book that gets flagged to come to the board is what this was about, right? Yeah. Yep. I'm sorry. I just kind of printed out what she had. She said she wishes that this was better, but it's not. Or the new laws were going to make this better, but they it doesn't. It actually makes you kind of go on with this. Sorry. Don't remember much discussion
080on that one. Yeah, AI completely artificial intelligent like you want to tell the board what the old west said, Sally. Yeah. AI. Oh. Um I said I like this policy. Um you know Golden West is working with us with our technology. He gave an example of what his 12-year-old boy is doing with with AI and uh the AI tools with AI tools and he pretty much said we need to be teaching our kids if we want them ready for the future and not even the future it's here. We need to teach them responsibility. And up through a bit back to the previous. They already have the bags and they're 70 bucks a piece. They're see-through on the front so you can see whose phone it is. Just like that. Just like that. Little square see-through
081part. You can see the phone. I want you want to see through. Do you want to see it? Well, is it see-through or they little They're numbered. They are numbered. Their desks is are numbered in there. They have a little pocket to sit. Yeah, they just have a little pocket on the front so you can put like your name or whatever. Oh, that's what it is. Just like these like a label. Yeah, those are what I say. You hope I don't I didn't mean to jump back into box. You get fabric for half that. No. What do you pay yourself? Not enough. Exactly. So, this is probably worth it. Never was spot. That's what they're You do by desk covers. Yeah. They do it by numbers. All the screens. They know. Even if there wasn't
082numbered, they'd know. Oh, yeah. My gosh. Mine's right here. Can we um get them? [Laughter] We need to get I like how you pause, too. Can we uh get them? Yes. that one. Can you like send me a link to build on it right now? Make sure they're the ones we want. But these are the ones that block the things or block the signals. Do they have I I don't you know we we have a basket. My wife and I try to put our phone in at night and then I get mad about it and she reminds me. She's like, "You're on your phone." And I'm like, "Oh yeah, that's right." So I go put it away. Okay. I actually got to land my phone just just so I I don't want to be on
083my phone in front of the kids all night. But it's it's it's even hard for me to do because I'm getting some work calls tonight. our school board packets to read. I'm semi-conscious of it, but I'm still I'm addicted to my phone because we've we've started doing so much work on here and so it looks to my kids like I am scrolling and doing goofing stuff and it's like this is where I can read my emails without getting everything out. Yeah. But to my three-year-old it looks a lot like I'm ignoring them. Yes. You know, so I I try not to do it, but I'm not good enough. Everybody, but I won't care. Everybody's calling me. Yeah, I should try it. Anyways, okay. AI. Um, I just think this is a good policy. You asked
084or were you talking to me when you said say what about they need to about how our students we we don't want to take it away because it's the new it's what's up and coming. It's what the world is now. when you use teach them to use it wisely and legally teachers and help teachers assign things to create the good use of it. Um and that's kind of where it's hard you guys. It is we have to rethink education in so many realms. Um and this is I think one coming in because everything pretty much is going to be AI guys. in one way or another. You do a Google search and like Google AI. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When I talked to Oh, it does. I talked to a teacher from another district said that
085middle schoolers they've got to spend their whole equation, their whole job, anything they want. and she's afraid that they're not moving including yeah it shows all the work nothing there there are a lot of kind it's it's quite scary and we had a long discussion about it um and I just said you know the real the real leaders of tomorrow what's going to separate them is their ability to to to not fall into this trap and actually use their mind because we're going to raise a bunch of kids that can't do it and I think we we already are you know I watch any class online, even if I have a secure browser, unless I'm in the middle of a in a classroom, I can have this in or another computer here. I can be
086putting things in and working over here. So, I've got a teacher. She says, "I think I'm going to do some more in-class stuff." That's why this next year we've got an hour and five minutes. Well, it makes it work. Class periods. Homework. you don't even want to assign homework anymore because like not the way we know we know homework changed the game and so I don't while I'm not afraid of a well I don't know if I'm afraid of it or not well I'm not doubting that it's going to be used in the future and I think these kids will use it I think the best thing we can do is try to protect like a basic foundational education through put your phone away lock down browser you're going to learn the fundamentals and we're
087going to make dang of it because we'll put your phone away. We'll see to it that that you have to sit here and study this and and you can't use another tool and get it done and and and if we want to in other circumstances go ahead use it for a class that's fine but that's what my vision of this I guess is longer by a few minutes. We aren't going to have study periods. We have found these last two years studying meals were so will that be able to that will allow teaching time and home study hall the expert in the room instead of right study hall teacher that maybe doesn't understand the math or doesn't understand the essay that was supposed to and create less work for the busy schedule after yes I'm
088a believer in homework was one of our policies and I said do we need that I am not a believer in homework we're a busy world. Whether your family buys into the busyiness or if you just want to go slow at home, I want your kids after school, go hard four days a week, go hard. Get them here. Go hard. And when they go, they can go to sports. They can go to work. They can go stay with they can go play in the yard. Like that. That's my belief. They can be kids. That's so study halls. That's some big common sense to us. Today is what we're going to use as an intervention time for middle school. And people can fuss at me all they want, but it is proven effective. I want some
089good reading and math interventions those last uh the last 30 minutes. I'm considering high schoolers that you're okay. you can maybe leave early because that's when we're also leaving for I just think about the wrestlers leaving. We have so many events start leaving about 3:10. So we're going to go hard the rest of the day. I lengthened all the classes and so there's no study hall periods. This year we cut a lot of them, but that last period we had it 50 minutes of it. People were teachers and kids are just they're they're done. And so it it was some wasted time. Not all of them. They some of them tried hard to do what Becca and I we designed some math and reading work, but we're just continuously improving. But back to what you're
090saying. agree with you in the realm of but this policy reads as agreeing with you but our teachers still need to use the modern technology of the day in certain scenarios to teach them how to use it. Yeah. But only in those scenarios as policy reads it they are allowed to use it otherwise back like you were saying their tools for background research and things like that they're not completing the site and then they still have to credit they still have to credit the AI tools if they use citing sources for encyclopedias or other written works that I that's and that's what this policy reads wiggle backwards when um society could honestly regressed in terms of its knowledge and oh it already has. I can't believe it has but our job as a school it's
091going to get really tricky here but I mean essentially every essay we don't know if you wrote it anymore every essay well they know they can but you know Mrs. They said they're getting handy enough where they detectors can't detect it anymore. What I'm saying is is if you have a conversation with these kids, you know damn well they read that paper. Well, this is what you do. You make them write something. Type it out. I want one page. You tell me who you are and what you did this summer. It's a year. You Well, just have them type it out. That way you see their mannerisms in their writing. You see where they lack in punctuation. You see this, this, and this. And then when they hand you in a perfectly sculpted 600word essay,
092you're gonna be like, "You didn't write that." I just like to ask them what the vocabulary in it means. Exactly. It's still important to or give me a synopsis of what you wrote here since you wrote it. The best is insert citation here. Anyways, I think we all know I think we're all the same. Yeah, we are. Yeah. It's really important to show kids the new technology, though. Otherwise, it's like showing a 12-year-old the first can of pop they've ever had and giving them all the cans they want because when they leave this building, this is going to be readily at their available at all times. So, they need to see it, but they need to within reason of seeing it, I guess. But my argument is, and you're right, they're going to see it.
093I mean, no different than we all understood the internet before our parents did or whatever else. They get it. Our time has got to be mostly focused on trying to make sure you understand the basics because they're your kids that are 12 probably ahead of you in that manner already. You know what I mean? You don't even know. I appreciate this conversation because I do believe there is there is a huge impulse out there to dummy down our population. When I say dummy down, it is a control technique to create and that's how we do it. We don't force people to use their minds. We don't use Yeah. So, this is supposed to enhance the last one. This two we brought to you guys because we worked hard on the policy that you and Elaine
094and I did and we brought it to the full board. two years ago, been two years. Yeah. And we specifically worded things in there to where parents for parental control parents had to be notified and we worked on it as a whole board because and we went back and forth, remember we went back and forth with chap 2 um just to make sure that parents rights are not neglected in this policy. So we have changed things in the current policy and we just want to bring this to you guys to get your thoughts on how those should align. This is KS. Um there's a spot in here where it talks about reasonable attempts the reasonable attempts to notify parents or That was I meant to print up. Oh, that's okay. It was the wording was
095we what we were worried about was that it's a little bit relative when they say we made effort to contact a parent before law enforcement searched their vehicle or talked to to them and interviewed them on school grounds. We made an effort to talk to parents. The word effort is is a very relative term. Um, and we just wanted to make sure that parents were notified. Yeah. When they when they should be. So, and that goes for law enforcement, goes specifically for EPS gravit. We just want to bring it to you guys all to make sure we're on the same page that I put in the email. We have every faith in the current administration and in in the people we have right now that yes, you're going to involve parents, but when we write
096policy, we don't write policy for people. We write policy for physicians. And so, we don't want to then get somebody in here, you know, down the road to where that would be the case. Oh, well, you know, I tried to call Sally's mom, but you know, she didn't answer after two drinks. So, we went ahead and let the cops interview. So, there's something here, and I know this is written for big schools, but I even see a couple things. If you're dealing with this level of work on the second page, the building principal must be notified. Yeah. Building principal. I wish this could almost be superintendent. Well, you are the building principal of the junior high school. Yes. But um yes, I am. But just think about if I weren't I think some of this
097stuff here should almost be a superintendent piece at this school. But maybe I'm wrong. Um Bon, let's see. Like it says school personnel, school staff on front page. She'll notify the superintendent when a student is questioned, arrested, or renewed from school brows by law enforcement officers. I would hope the superintendent would know. I mean, I hope you wouldn't get the law. Would the law go to classrooms? No. So, I think how this is written, the law goes to a room then they go get the student and the student. Yeah. Any question by law enforcement officers that is permitted should be conducted in a private room or area with confidential. Yeah, it says that on the first page and the second page. I don't remember a bridge of our own policy we worked on. So I
098just remember we worked on it together and then we brought to the board kind of fine tuned it. Um the one I follow right now which is very vivid in my mind is I uh get the kids. I call the parents. I wait for the parents to come if they want to come. I never leave a kid by themselves. I tell the parent if you don't want to come I it says that the administrator will not leave a child by themselves um with the law enforcement when the parent comes I say I can leave the room a lot of times and the investigator even told the parent it's better if Sally leaves the room and the parent said no we want her here Now, that's probably a I mean, they felt safe. I think they
099trusted when stuff was tough here. Well, that's was kind of our thing there. Like, you don't want to Yeah. with a parent that can't get here. No, because we had I wish I would have printed out. Well, here you have it. No. Well, you print that out. You brought up the reasonable attempts thing. Yeah. What the what really stands out to me in that paragraph itself is it says uh the student will be questioned only if the law enforcement officer identifies emergency circumstances require immediate questioning. The emergency circumstances is what pokes at me is if this is a time-sensitive thing and we have to ask this kid questions for whatever reason, we we try and call the mom. It goes to voicemail. We voicemail. we try and call the dad, try and call the, you
100know, the guardian, the emergency contact, whomever. We can't get a hold of anybody. Then we have to ask these questions because it's an emergency. But I think you've got to look at what the reasoning like this is school related criminal. So if the kid is in trouble for my school, these are the things we're going to do. If the kid is not if it's not school related down here, if a student is going into custody, right, here's a child abuse. Okay, child abuse is different. Child abuse is different because you're not necessarily going to call the parents. The parents are the abusers, right? Like that's why there's these sections out and we did work on that in our old policy too. But um that one there even gets a little bit but if a student
101interview is conducted on school grounds, the building principal or designate and such other school personnel as appropriate shall observe the interview. Yeah, we made it that someone had to be in there with them, but we have added verbiage into that I do believe to where the student could designate someone. Yeah, like the counselor or something like that like their safe space counselor, you know, like they have to choose an almost like an advocate. You spend some time and you think It used to be that it's a parent administrator was tack the only emergency I can think about is if someone says that Bill's got a gun, right? And he knows where it is. We don't wait for the clearance that's offered, but we had kind of an out. Yeah. So this So I got to
102build it. Oh, and this is some loss, too, because I remember investigators tell me there's a difference. There's a difference if you're the alleged perpetrator or if you are the victim. You have different Yes, there's different The whole thing about reasonable effort to contact parent or guardian. It's just something that we have to document that we called at 904 and there was no answer went to sell like a lot of there are homes who don't answer the phone and call them. Yeah. Especially Yes. So we we had added um if the principal has made reasonable effort to notify the parent or guardian but is unable to they should document the attempts that were made to do so and the student may be interviewed only if the law enforcement officer identified emergency circumstances requiring an immediate
103questioning the parent guardian will be notified by the principal soon as possible after yes and and I also would add if I remember correct and you might remember better than I do but there's a difference between your alleged uh your allegedly stole or something like that. And then also we have an also like a separate circumstance where there's a bomb thread and that doesn't fall under this because that would require that would require the work scheme. that's looked at as a different situation in terms of how we would handle that. Anyways, as a school safety thing versus just an important Yeah. Somebody said, "Well, somebody's got a got a weapon or something on school ground. We're not bringing them in for questioning." Well, you're going to separate them. You're going to put them in. You're
104going to try and call the parents. You know what I mean? like there's like searches. Yeah, maybe that was what it was. That's a different also. We worked on number three, abuse and neglect. And that was one I know we spent a lot of time on. Um there's a student search policy too. That one I remember coming in that was the first meeting I ever attended. You were kind of going around abuse neglect. We spent a lot of time on that. If we're not looking into this, I would like the lawyer to look at it and see if it said, "Did didn't we send her this so she could see how they Yeah. And that's what the email she sent back. She sent it." Yeah. So, I'm going to read the thing. As long as
105anything in here doesn't conflict with any other policies. Thank you. Smith that our pol our current policy requires parent guardian notification and permission before interview unless there's an emergency or a direct order. So that's a warrant or court order and it requires a school principal to document the attempts to notify it. KSB policy requires reasonable attempts to contact parents but does not require parental permission. Only attempts at consent and or presence. If parents cannot be contacted and it's an emergency, the interview may proceed with a principal or designated presence. Your current policy is stricter and requiring parental permission while the KSB policy requires only effort to notify is more differential to law enforcement emergency support. Given the increase in student violence in our state, I'm hesitant to recommend language that parents must be doing. Then
106what do you do if they you can't get a hold of them? Like they're both out of service. Something's happening. Well, our policy our old policy ties your hands. Well, no, go ahead and proceed with the principal or superintendent from the room. Principal discuss the document. Attempts were made to do so and the student may be interviewed only if the law enforcement officer identifies emergency circumstances requiring immediate questioning orders. Basic I have a kid that's got a gun and I can't get a hold of you. I don't care. I don't want to be waiting around waiting for you. I had a call the other day. I called the parent three times. I had Amy try. I had the secretary and finally he said, "We're taking the kid to the home." And the the parents phoned
107and called every another in the in our in our information. The three-year-old had the telephone. So, my parents relaxed. My thought is in a situ in an emergency situation like that. That sounds like a reasonable attempts were made though. Well, I Yeah, I would say reasonable to me may be different than reasonable to Chuck. I'm going to try. So, do we define reasonable? You see, but that's where you can look at policy two different ways and you guys know better than I do, but do we want to leave it open to interpretation or do we not? And you know, right now, I mean, I trust our administration three and I only did two and that puts us in a courtroom. That's ridiculous because we three, right? I I would rather I would still rather have
108faith and trust in my the administration here to make use their common sense and leave the policy open enough that we can do that because otherwise you wind up in a situation like some schools where it's like giz that's ridiculous. Your attorney is going to Here's what I've heard an attorney school attorney say what you want the story to be and we'll make it that way. In other words, they will argue that we have that reasonable is reasonable. Yes. Does that make sense? You say three or four, then that this so the KSP policy she does say in here that the current pol policy does not differentiate between school related and non-school related crimes, but this one does and it does prohibit questioning for non-school related crimes without legal protections for the students. So that's
109good. Um and that it forgets questioning students about non school uh related criminal matters unless there's a warrant order or parental consent. Um both policies have similar methods for child abuse and neglect investigations. They were similar and the speed policy also offers more procedural safeguards for taking a student in justice which I think is good. The current wall policy does not mention student records. public policy and states that records will only be shared as allowed by state and federal law. Oh, and that's where because I was going to say I called her with my situation. She gave me advice at she I would totally went on recommendation as to what you could share and when you could share it. Still, there's just certain there's certain things though that could happen and I can't think of
110a good example off the top of my head, but where it's really not an emergency situation and I couldn't get a hold of Tyrell's out of service. I couldn't get Cassie on the phone and so this can wait till tonight. So, you couldn't be there to talk to your kid and and and you deserve to have the right to do that before we investigate. Nobody's in harm's way. Agreed. There's a broken window and you know your kid was there with three other ones and we're trying to but you have a right to talk to the kid before we go ahead and that's where I think it shines. Yeah. Did you say KSB did say there's a difference in emergency versus non-emergency? Well, we just or is that our ours? That was ours. That was ours.
111Oh, okay. There are differences in school related versus non school. does. Yes, ours does. Ours does not. And we're not going to spell out what an emergency is. No, because I think that's expecting you to get your judgment. Yeah, that's what you're doing. Sarah has said many times that you don't want to write your policy so specific that it ties you to every single thing. I mean, you have to, but you don't want to be so open that it doesn't give any guidance to your administration either. So, there's just a fine line here. And that's why, again, we'll bring it this one to the board. Well, there's a reason you hire your administration, right? There's a reason you hire superintendent, your principles, that they have not only they have the guidance, but they also have
112the wherewithal to make decisions in the best interest of the school and the students. And if and if we as a board don't think our administration can do that, that's on us to take care of that. Yes, this failed. We just we wanted to bring this to the board as a whole because we had worked so hard on making this the verbiage on this one how we wanted it that we wanted everybody to kind of look through this one and get a consess consensus on. This one's really good. It talks about a court order. I like the wording of this one a lot. Um it talks even about the officer's name, badge number, agency. I mean it's Well, we spent we spent about three hours at the bank that night if I remember right. We
113did. I uh but uh that doesn't mean we got it right. I just think that we made something that kind of fit the district and what people we adopted what we had and we made it fit as best we could. But I think this one is better written here. We just want to make sure that we're not stepping on parental rights either. You know what I mean? Like if we're going to say reasonable attempts were made, maybe we document maybe we can just document that. I think you steal some of the verdict from this about the reasonable attempts being made and about um if deemed an emergency, we will document and then proceed with the questioning. Yep. And I don't know, I'm not telling you exactly where to put that, but if it had those
114two things, I think I would if we ask Sarah to maybe work that in there and then see Thanks. Yeah, you want to add emergency. Where's the emergency language at page on the on the old one? on the old. Oh, is it the old we didn't really have? We didn't discuss quite that was the one you want. Page two, fourth paragraph. On the blue one, on the new one is where it talks about. So on the emergency only one it's under the alleged perpetrator one it just says to may be interviewed only if law enforcement officer identified the emergency certifices requiring immediate questioning or orders requires a student yeah or orders that require student to I think we just want to make sure that the reasonable efforts or reasonable attempts to contact documented and have
115her add language about Oh, right here. And the student may be interviewed only if the law enforcement officer identifies her circumstances question. So you would like something to that effect added to the book. Well, that whole kind of that whole thing if the principal has made reasonable effort to notify the parents but is unable to contact them, the principal should document the attempts made to do so and the student may be I got the whole be notified. Yeah, that's Was there another one? I remember talking about was about um turning in suspected abuse. Remember talking about that? Yes. And and that one sounded to me um obviously you're what do we call that? Mandatory report. Mandatory report. Was there some verbage there that sounds weird to say but must report any suspect? like it had
116a list of things. When I came, you guys did want a list and I was scared not to have a little more detail because I didn't want a list because if you suspected of spanking, well, you spank my kids. And so I would I would like you to look at it and say, "Well, is this the kid getting abused or is this a kid getting disciplined on a case- by case basis?" And again, use some judgment before you report that. Yeah, we don't did we ever anything like that in the new post? No, there's nothing. And I think it's because of that. I mean, you do not want to list. I don't think anybody wants to list again of those things that ties you to that mandatory reporting because Yeah. I mean, my kids too,
117then you're out of then you're breaking the law by not turning me in and you know, I don't abuse my kid, but technically according to this, I do. I think that's a problem, right? So it most of the time when we turn somebody in, it's based on a mark if there's a mark. And I'm I've never had a a student tell me that he or she's being abused and I've turned it in. I mean, it's when a student reports it to yourself or another person reports it, like, you know, Amy's brother reports it to me that, you know, she's being abused, then I need to do something about it. It's it's just you can't say, you know, like I got spanked, you know, I just don't want you to have to report that you heard
118that. I want you to be able to see if we have a chance at be able to turn that in 100% if a sibling or a friend reports it when we have to otherwise we So do you guys remember the whole committee though? Do you remember reading anything that talked about mandatory reporting? Yeah, but we do have a policy on we Huh. I know we do and that's what they're talking about. But my point is, is that something to ask her about? Is she miss a policy on mandatory reporting? There's a lot of policy that we might have missed reading. Well, there were no comments on it. No comments on it. So, is that something we reviewed? But if there was one that we would have read like and it was just like per South
119Dakota codified law and such, I didn't comment on those. I just law. Yeah. I might just ask her to remind me of what for some reason I just remember the last time I looked at it was a long list of I mean even down to verbal yeah that's why we got it because we didn't want we were just wanting to leave it open to your discretion not saying we don't want these things reported just it's just hard to put or it doesn't fit into one of those categories and then so you don't report it we just felt like our teachers are they know the students well enough they interact with them well have to know what to report or if they should report something and if not they could go to Sally or Kelly or
120Chuck and say I suspect this is going on in this household. What do you think I should do? and they would be able to provide that guidance. I'm glad they do that. We if it's elementary, I sit with Kelly and we talk about it. More times than not, we're making a call to the child protections services. Then it's on then it's there then we get Yeah. We always ask for a response from a letter from the and then it's on them. Well, then now it comes back to me because that was the other one was that we thought, well, okay, what if there is abuse happening, but it doesn't fit the 10 bullet points. Now, it's the teacher that's holding it, the trouble with parents, because well, that wasn't part of policy. It's something you
121can mandatory report, right? So, we thought by leaving it more open, if you remember, that's how protects our teachers too. The South Dakota codified law 26-88-3 says who is required as mandatory reporters. So I'm sure that the policy says per this codified law this happened. Yeah. So comment doesn't have is it does a law have anything on what needs to be reported? position as defined who has reasonable cause suspect that a child under the age of 18 has been abused or neglected as defined and this one shall report that information in accordance with this one this one. So yeah, with this chapter, the term abuse or neglected child means a child and then there's 10 bullet points on what things are. Yeah, that's about So I'm sure that the policy says our our policy will
122follow these codified laws, you know, as mandatory. What what I've noticed KSV does is they write policy according to state law so that if we follow policy and they have to defend us, we're following the law. Yep. We keep it very clean. Yep. Conservative. But we'll call Kelly and I'll call and talk to whomever. They do all the documentation, ask who's all there, and then that's when they hang up and that's that's the end. They decide whether it gets assigned somebody or think it's the best there. Okay. I don't I don't know that criteria, you know. Yeah. If if um Amy the intake person and she talks to her supervisor Sally, I don't know how they decide whether it be or gets assigned or not. Okay. I didn't have one. You have the best policy.
123My head. If common sense prevails, we're okay. as long as we don't make a decision whether we you know like that abuse is I mean in everything the word day is very common what number is it 406 so it wasn't even that long okay so um back. Yeah, we're done with that. We are going to um You know what? Before we enter executive session, would anybody like to take a bathroom break or anything like that? Thank you. I might I might go do it. So, um I can't Why don't we bring that before we enter? Exactly. Get a hold of water into this thing. Too much water. And when I'm in the middle of nowhere, you stop whenever you want. And I'm used to just, you know, get stop. I came into our building this
124morning and we haven't had hot water in the building in like five years and nobody's ever said anything about. So I got about a year ago. I'm like, "Hey, why don't hot water?" So we called engineers out. They came and looked. They're like, "Oh, your hot water heater is completely rusted through." Like, "It doesn't work. It's just shut off." Like, "Oh, cool. The hot water. Can Can we get a new one so I can wash my hands with hot water?" "Sure." Well, they came today to put in a new water heater and uh they shut our water off. We go out to load and one of my coolers and said, "Run side. I got to use math quick." I'm like, "No, there's no water in there." He's like, "What? No water?" He's like, my boss
125is like, "Go over there." It points.