001Uh moving forward, we're required by um by the state to have our minimum salary for uh teachers with zero zero experience to $50,000 by next school year. Um [snorts] and once I guess I'll open that up for any kind of discussion. How many teachers do we have that we have to meet that mark? >> Um I look today we have uh 24 currently that we have on staff right now. We may hire a few more but right now we have 24. >> So 24 that even after moving getting the step raise for next year will still be below the 50,000 threshold. So right now we have 24 once they go to year we have some people that are on year one that will go to year two and so that eliminates about half. >> Okay.
002>> So we'll have about 12 left >> plus any new teachers that we that we may hire. So >> and and that's hard that's a hard number to guess. >> Right. But I mean just a a ballpark >> give you a good ballpark uh idea about that. >> Okay. Um, [snorts] and I guess this kind of ties in with the second thing on the agenda, which is raises. We'll receive uh a little money from Artisa allocation from the state and we are uh required to give a raises to all our certified personnel in our district. And that number is around $300,000. That would also take care of our our teachers that are right there at the the 50,000 mark, the new teachers and the ones that are first year teachers this year. So that would
003roughly uh out of our teacher dollars that we receive um we're mandated to have those those raises for our certified folks. >> Okay. So what what you're saying is that the what we're mandated to increase you might say will cover those new teachers and get them up to that 50,000. >> Yes, ma'am. And addition for everybody else would receive a 2% increase as well. >> Okay. and the state provides us. I I'm not sure and and we don't know u we haven't received our TISA numbers yet which we can't control everything but we had those numbers we could be a little more accurate on what that number looks like from Tissa but like in the BEP world they didn't cover raises for >> for teachers Tissa we've been mandated for the last how many years
004Miss Milson >> I think this is our third year third year Tissa so yeah there's just aotted dollar amount that has to be given to certified and I have to report to the state on how we did that either through step raises or percentage raises. >> So basically what you're saying is there is required uh cost of living that we have to provide in that two that's that's what that 2% is is cost of living rate. Is that correct? >> It's yes and and also they give you some to help you get to 50 but it's both of those things combined. Yes, >> ma'am. I mean, that's kind of separate what they give you to get to that 50, but basically we're mandated to do that. >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, it's not just like
005>> that money is earmarked for that. >> We can keep it like it is. We've got to >> and I think that's important for everybody to know that that is mandated. >> Yeah. Because I have I'll have to they'll say you have to spend three and it comes out with our first estimate. It'll say this is the amount that you're required to spend on certified raises. And then later in that year, I'll get a survey that says how do how did you spend it? And I have to break it out how I how we spent that money to the state. >> So with that tying into raises, uh just like we did with the bonuses at with our certified teachers, um us as a group voted to give everybody the bonus. My recommendation with our
006budget, and we'll talk about budget a little bit more here in a second, my recommendation is everybody gets a 2%. Uh I think one thing that we need to be careful of is secluding groups out of that. But if everybody gets it, uh I think there's that feeling of shared value and equity in that. I don't know what it keeps coming, but I just want to clarify this to the >> anybody's listening in the public is that >> the 2% we get pos, you know, funding through TISA. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And for the teachers that are, you know, their salary has to come up to the 50,000. We get some funding for that. But the other 2% that will be coming from county coffers. >> Yes, ma'am. And and you're and you're requesting that
007everybody get it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, okay. I just I just think that needs to be clarified that we don't get any money from the state for non-certified. >> No, we do not. Um, you know, as we look to building our budget, um, my approach will be always be one of conservative. I think if you look at a budget for just a year's time, I think we're failing because the the the the money that we're taking in uh through tax dollars that fluctuates. Uh I'm a con feel like we need to be conservative when we look at a budget. That needs to be a budget that we can fulfill for five years, not just one school year. Um the things that have happened with our budget u the governor [clears throat] was late with
008his budget and uh we haven't received our our funding numbers which we normally receive those early in January. So [clears throat] that stood out in Miss Melson and I's conversation. And I had a South Central director's meeting last Friday over in Winchester and I just kind of talked with other directors. Hey, where you at on your budget? After that conversation, the conversation I had with those ladies and gentlemen, I feel better about where we're at. We've requested principal um their request. Some other schools hadn't even got that far. Now, the downside of it, it puts us on a very short timeline. Um, and that's hard and makes for long days and hours, but I don't know the the federal government end of it. Well, we weren't getting it. Now we're back to getting it. And
009the last thing I read, I'm not sure where we're going to land in federal dollars. Um, we've shared some cuts that we know are going to happen next year. Uh some of those cuts are uh just say the the personal finance, we're losing over $100,000 for that because the state has reclassified that course as a non CTE course. Um the other we're we're on another year of hold harmless. Uh hold harmless deals with our economically disadvantaged students. We were receiving the money prior to to TISA the OBP number and if next year hold harmless goes away you're looking at over half a million dollars. Uh you combine that with the shortfall that we had with the guaranteed TVA dollars in our budget. You combine that with the u the dip in sales tax that revenue.
010I mean we're looking at having to go and I've shared this with you all 1.4 4 million to put us at even just to pay for last year's last year's budget. So, um I don't know this for a fact, but you have to kind of speculate in this position the best you can. I think moving forward, we want to continue with a conservative nature. Um I'm not sure what's going to happen. Nobody knows. But that approach, I'd rather have a little too much than not enough to meet those How many teachers do we have that that we paid the state bonus? You know, that got the state bonus last year. >> I'd say we have probably around 300. You mean like the state, the one the state sent us, >> right? That qualified for the
011state bonus. >> 300, but that didn't take care of all the three to three somewhere between three and 350. But that didn't take care of all all the certified. that just took care of the ones the state deemed in the classroom, >> right? >> And um meets the day or meets the day requirements, the number of days worked requirements. So I'd say probably somewhere between that number because we have about 350 certified. >> Okay. So if I was just looking, you know, there's roughly $810 U each year in the step raise >> on the pay scale. So you know that, you know, I just multiplied it times 300 teachers. That that takes care of 243,000 of that 300,000 >> and change that we'll be getting in Tissa. >> Mhm. So I just curious as to
012where you know kind of >> we do have a pretty big number of people that are on that last one of those last few years like I know we have a lot of masters and 25 people >> that only like if we didn't give a percentage they would stay at that same pay scale so they wouldn't be included like if if say we just used step raises >> right but I mean and that was just the step raise for the for the bachelors I know it it varies it increased as you go up with your education. I just, you know, I just, you know, rough numbers looking at it that, you know, that'll, you know, basically the step raises will eat up pretty much all of that funding from from Tissa. So, that's just something
013I was interested in. >> So, So, you're telling us that we're really 1.4 4 million short of what we budgeted what we had to budget last year. >> We fell short. Now, there's some other things that won't come out of our budget. I mean, you got to balance that shortcoming with some things that we chose to do as well. We didn't know the 14 1.4 shortcoming was going to happen, but we also rewarded and honored everybody in our district with that bonus as well. We won't be paying that. >> And that amount >> that's part of that 1.4. part of that. >> Okay. So, good. >> That kind of comes out of that in that number. >> But how much was that? >> Um I think it was around 700,000. So of that 1.4 about
014seven. >> So we won't be doing those 700,000 this year. >> So that when you think about hitting fund balance for 1.4, it includes that that bonus that we gave for the extra pay that we gave everybody. >> So instead of being 1.4 four plus the 700,000. It's just part of that 1.4 that we're going to hit for. >> Well, I think we when we did it, we figured it would have come out, >> right? >> Yeah. The budget amendment was to hit fund balance with it. But in years past, we've done that and not actually hit >> had to hit fund balance. But that's my early early estimate in January that we will because of those couple things that happened to us in this school year. That's been unique that hasn't happened in others.
015>> What about the the federal projects? Are they being because I know we the count the local have picked that up if they're not getting fully funded. Yes, ma'am. >> We we swayed both ways and I I have no idea and have zero confidence to give you an answer that I think would be a viable answer. >> We've gone both ways. Um, we we talked a little bit, and this is kind of the uncertainty part, accountability. We talked about getting away from federal accountability through a state waiver. Well, that waiver has been denied. We're still going to be evalu. And when you talk about accountability, you mean the number >> letter grades, uh, AMOs, all those things that that that we were able to celebrate. It it's going to stay the same after we were
016we worry about the things we can control and we can't control those. So those federal accountability measures will stay in place. uh the federal accountability measures in our states are they vary a little bit. Growth doesn't count as much in one as it does the other and things like that. So attendance is counted in one and not in the other. So it's just some more of what we've been doing and that's okay. We know that. But you know this time next year we'll have a new governor. We'll have a new commissioner of education. There's no telling a year from now what this meeting sounds like. >> Believe me, it's going to be worse. >> She's talking about the way, >> right? >> And I think that's affect >> very much so. >> N.5 million of
017our revenue for us. So, we'll see how that goes. [laughter] that it's we're going to have to start people's going to have to start looking at these people who they are not what party they represent. I'll get political here but when it comes to public education we've got to start thinking in terms of how it's going to affect us because I mean that's that's where our money comes from and I pay a lot of property tax. I mean, that'd be wonderful >> if I didn't have to pay it, but >> what are we going to do? I mean, >> well, from what I understand, Florida's >> considering the same thing, but people are still require required to pay the school portion of so that it may not. We'll see. >> And then there's going to
018be people that say, I don't have anything to do with the schools. I don't have any kids. I don't have grandkids. I don't want to pay any portion of mine. So, it's just a I don't know. It's an issue area, isn't it? >> Um, I also have shared with you a sheet and these sheets are kind of where and I think I mentioned this at the last board meeting or work session in the last 10 years uh the commitment that the board and administration has had in pay increases. And you can see all those numbers uh in the two I didn't put a percentage but I guess I should have. That's the 2% increase that puts it sit that at 11 years. So those numbers uh on the classified employees are 40% or better. And
019we want hopefully Lord willing we can continue that to grow as well as our teachers and our supervisors below them which are at 35%. So we're in a good place and my prayer is we stay in this good place. we have some flexibility and plan for a rainy day and hope for all sunshine. Can >> I just say the two where he's getting the 2% is because that's where we need to get get the 50. >> Um that's not ob obviously set in stone because we haven't gotten our T estimate yet. But that's just generally what he's using to >> are we at a point of trying to our par we talked about our classified but we've not said anything about our par you know pair professionals. >> Go ahead. Um, you know, we're we
020talked about this last year and this is the reason why we wanted to try to talk about this. You know, our head custodians, you know, again, he's been here for 20 years. He's making $40,000 a year. So, he's getting $800. If we give him a 2% raise, he's getting $800. But we've got, I think, 16 people that's making over $120,000 a year. >> Yes, sir. and they're going to be making $2,400 raised in a year. Is there I mean most of our counties around here as you already know that we're about the only one that does the percentage a percentage in that what our leadership gets >> what everybody gets. >> Um I'm not sure I'm following but >> but you're saying want a go about giving everybody across the board a 2% raise. Yes,
021sir. >> So, if you're a custodian, you're not getting but $800 a year. And our people that making over $100,000 get 2400. >> Well, there is a difference in the pay scale. And I think that pay scale is dependent on your expertise and degrees earned and the liability and responsibility that go along with those positions. And uh I mean it's just different work in in any organization. Um you're you have people paid on different levels. Well, they're going to be at a different level, >> right? >> They're always going to be at a different level, but you know, I just, you know, we're talking about giving it a a level playing field. I mean, how are we going to how can we make that a little bit closer than what we're doing? Because again, >>
022right, >> I understand, but we can't do without these people, >> right? Um, >> you know, and I know this is I'm I'm an advocate for these people and I always try to uh fight for the people that can't fight for themselves, >> right? I I'm very respectful of that and we value our non-certified people just like this year. Um we're only required to give our teacher and our certified people a 2% raise. But I believe if we're going to give raise, we need to give it across the board uh raise. And that shows our diligence and uh and caring for our non-certified people. But I mean there's a >> our our HBAC guys. I mean they have to go to college. I mean don't go to college but they go to trade school. And
023now I think it's a proven fact that we need more HBAC guys or as many as we do teachers. >> Right. Our pay scale is reflective of that. I think they make more. >> Yeah. And they do. But I'm just trying to across the board, >> right? >> You know, like I said, most most of our school systems around us don't do 2%. They don't do percentages anymore. They just do flat rates. And you know, >> well, I hope this is a good problem that we have, but I'm old enough. I'm not going to point you out, Miss Freed, or Miss Yench, but where we didn't get teacher raises for five, six, seven years at a time, uh, we're in a pretty good position to honor all our people. I I'm I just That's our
024pay scale. Uh, is it the very best in the state? No. Is it the very worst? Pick fire? No. I think we're right in the middle. And that's kind of goes back to, hey, we it's risen 40% in 10 years or 11 years. If y'all agree to give everybody a 2% raise this year, that's a pretty good effort to keep things moving in the right way. Um, >> I don't know if I answered your question. >> No. Well, I just, you know, we we keep we had a ad in I don't know. I don't remember what school it was that couldn't get a custodian, >> right? >> You know, I mean, who's the first person or principles call when they have a problem with something, you know, kids getting sick in the hallways and all
025that stuff, you know? Yeah. They're the first ones that's called to the >> It's kind of like a fireman, >> right? >> You know, they're the first one in and the last one out. You know, whenever there's a fire, but uh >> you know, I just think that we need to do what we can to do our diligence to keep keep these people. >> Uh you ain't going to find too many people that's going to come to be a custodian for $14 an hour starting out, >> right? Do you have any idea when we may know what our final numbers are from from everybody? I mean, will we have it in time to even do the budget? >> I'm going to tell you this, and I said I [clears throat] kind of spoke to it
026a while ago, but I didn't probably say it plainly. It's going to be tight. >> Okay? >> And uh nobody wants those numbers. She's got a skeleton, but my fear is with her. I'm think hopefully she's not wasting her time because we're guesstimating and that's not good. >> Well, with that being said and we know that money's going to be tight, you know, I mean, we don't know anything right now, >> right? >> You know, >> what if um now I know you said that the TSA allocation for raises and you have to define whether they're actual raises or step raises. You know, if we got 375 um certified people that's going to be getting step raises that'll lead up at 300,000 dollars for for the most part. So, you know, I realize that we
027have to bring the teachers up, right? What if we pulled out the classroom teachers that, you know, met the guidelines for the bonuses last year by the state, put them on a separate pay scale and give them the 2% and let's hold off on giving anybody else a raise. We can always come back and do something later. You know, maybe next year we give we can give everybody a 4% raise and the teachers will only get a 2%. It'll level back out. But, you know, that way we're we're not digging real deep into our coffers to, you know, I mean, it's just an idea that I had that would be, >> you know, trying to save us all some money and some headaches, >> you know, especially Miss Melson on making the bud, building the
028budget. I mean, the least amount of, you know, of extra dollars that she's got to try to find That might be something we could look at, but I just feel like if one gets a raise, everybody gets a raise. The only person that shouldn't get a raise is the one that's talking now. And I signed a different piece of paper that disqualifies that. And I'm >> Well, I don't, you know, I don't disagree. I mean, I'd like to say everybody get a raise, but I mean, you know, this year being such an unknown, you know, waters that we're we're um floating in right now, not knowing what's going to happen, you know, I mean, I I tend to air on the side of caution and let's, you know, let's do what we can do. you
029know, maybe by the time the budget comes around, you know, I mean, we can do something something better, but I mean, just kind of start, you know, some place to start, you know, I mean, we'll save, >> you know, I mean, it's quite a bit of money, you know, that we don't have to come up with and and ask, you know, ask the people at the other end of the building, you know, why is your, you know, why is your budget, you know, this much more this here. Well, you know, we're giving everybody a 2% rate. Well, you know, now we can say, well, we're meeting our state mandate on teachers. You know, I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of, you know, trying to >> trying to play play fair and and be good.
030>> If we follow the same budget practice that we did last year, how much were the raises? We were 2% or 4% >> 4%. 4%. So what we're doing is staying with the same budget framework or skeleton and instead of 4% we're only adding 2%. So we've cut that number >> roughly in in half. >> Right. >> So what we do know is our our um I've lost the word. Our amount per pupil has gone up um to 7530. >> Yes ma'am. >> So we know we're going to get incre a little bit of an increase for that. We don't know what the um CTE is going to do to us. That's the seing that. But um I I told I told Miss Chargo I'm like I'm I'm not panicking yet because I it's very
031easy for me to build it and then go back and change that percentage if we need to. And there's ways to get that those people to 50 without pulling them off another like pulling them off another scale. There's options that we we knew five years ago we put into place that we could we could use if we got desperate. I don't feel like we're desperate yet because I said we haven't even gotten our first estimate. So a 1% raise is usually around $360,000 to give it to everybody. That's what it cost the district. So for 1% $360,000. So I'm figuring 2% 720. So um I'm not I'm not panicking. I'm just I'm it's really late that we don't have an estimate really really I mean we usually have one by January so it's odd but
032I'm building everything like we're going to be able to give a two and then if I have to go fix pay scales that will take le less time than me to start building a 2% budget. So, I don't feel like at this moment in time we need to panic. And >> isn't that what we've talked about doing before was separating them out and having a three instead of two, we just got two pay grades now, right? >> Um, you have one for all certified and then you have a s different one for each area of classified. >> So, you have more. You have two pay scales but >> yeah, >> you got 13 pay scales. So basically what you're saying that 700,000 is a 720,000 is almost a wash with the 700,000 that we added
033last year to get everybody up to >> that make what she said um last um a 1% increase is 360 >> a 2% like I would like to recommend would be 720,000 last year >> we gave a 4% % which was whatever double the 7 >> 1.4 would be >> but I know you mentioned earlier about the 700,000 that wouldn't wasn't included in this 1.4 that was included in this 1.4 4 million. Uh, you know, >> so the the extra pay, is that what you're talking about? >> Right. >> So the extra pay is not it would be is it's included >> wash because see we gave the extra pay that we didn't have to to uh you know the state gave us the money for those teachers that qualified or those certified people and
034then we added from our local budget the 700,000 to to give everybody else the same. >> That's right. >> So that is a wash with what the way I look at it. We used that 700,000 last year to to add to the non-certified and if if it's going to cost 720,000 this year to get everybody a 2% it's kind of it's like you say don't panic because it's kind of a you know 20,000 >> and that's what my point was. >> I feel confident I can I haven't seen the estimate unless it's drastically different from what we've gotten in the past. I feel confident that we can give a 2%. Um I feel like we can make it work, but I just it's hard to say that right now with not having that in front
035of me. And it's usually I am very very close to being done with building and payroll and all of that done, but been kind of slow at it this time because I'm nervous. Miss, she she [laughter] >> uh she's not the only one in that boat. And there's a couple other districts and their financial people are um one's a little better shape because they don't their report date to their funding source is a little bit later than ours, but there's another that's in a similar that's starting to get an antsy trigger finger as well. And I get it. Um, you know, he had a state of the state address was late and he had a late budget and everybody gets affected about it, but you know something, we can't worry about it because we have
036zero control over it. >> I actually thought we would get it this week and we're Wednesday and it's not here yet. >> We're not here. Our goal was to have it in your hands, but that hadn't happened yet. >> And we have to deliver the budget to the county on I I have to present it by May 1st. That's what we have to follow. So that's why we're up against a little timeline where, you know, you might have a city district that doesn't have to report their budget to the city. And so they're kind of June 30 and we're we have to meet that May 1st deadline. >> You know, I want to make a point about the per people pupil expenditure like 7,500 and private school vouchers or more per pupil 7,700. And that's
037sad. >> They had to raise ours. They had to raise ours >> to Yes, ma'am. And we're still below what? Yes, ma'am. >> So, people need to realize that >> 155 million. >> That's what that's what we're doing. We're giving more per pupil expenditure to private schools than we are to public schools. And I think with the increase to that per pupil, I think it was $300 around a $300. It could be a little less a little more. I think that will take care of what we need to do. But >> but I mean it still doesn't that doesn't keep get us up to the 7700 per pupil that's going. >> Yes ma'am. >> So we're just guessing guessing right now building a budget based on >> until we get that first estimate. >> Again
038looking at us and what our commissioners are looking at. They're looking at this, you know, what we've paid in the over the past years, what we what we've given out, what our salaries are, and we're going to be going down and asking for money, and we're going to be having to give something from what I'm gathering. He was at the same meeting I was at. So, they're asking >> they're they're going to be wanting us to give something if we're going to build a school. >> And I get that, too. I mean, >> and we it's just something that we've got to, >> right? We've got to look at whenever we're giving out raises if you know we're going to how are we going to do both and be be very cautious in how we
039do both because I mean that's you know we're going down and asking for $69 million and >> well the way I look at it when we go to those commissioners we need to let them know that the schools are the backbone of the entire community without a good school system, nobody's property value goes up. It goes down. If you do not have good schools that are funded and buildings that are adequate, you lose people that come into this area because they'll go they're going to go where there's good schools. And to me, we're the biggest asset this this countyy's got is our schools. And that if that's a priority, then everything else is going to build up. And uh I know that there's a limit to what the county can do. But I have no
040uh hesitation in asking for anything that that helps our schools that and that's that's the attitude that we need to have because you know I you talk about we got [clears throat] to give this, we got to give that. We're giving we're trying to provide the best for everybody and uh that's for people that don't have children. It's good schools to help them and it's just it's just a it's for everybody and that's my story. >> Sorry. >> Thank you. >> But that's my feeling is that that attitude of look, you know, we we're the best that can be gotten for an area and we've got to build ourselves up. even people who say, [clears throat] "I'm homeschooling my child. I shouldn't have to pay taxes." But they always, the public system is always there
041as a backup if it doesn't work. Um, grandparents who say, "I don't have any children now." they end up having those children or their family comes into the county, they count on the public schools, >> you know, for those kids. So, in a way, everybody's looking at the public school system as a possibility. >> Uh, Miss B, we've had just a little increased tick in uh students returning to our schools from home school in in the last few months. That's not an indictment. That's just a numerical statistic. You know, we we've seen some returning of that. So, um, but speak to your point, Mr. Hans, that that is a possibility and and we need to have more discussions on >> what our part is as as a as a board. >> Yeah. >> As a
042group. That's uh >> well that was kind of my point of you know pulling the teachers out you know that you know we're you know we have to do that we're mandated by the state >> right >> to do that you know and you know just maybe foregoing the the raises you know at this time you know and kind of see where we you know where everything falls out Because you know thing is we got to we got to vote on a budget and we got to send it to the other end of the building for the commission to vote on it and approve it and you know just trying to keep it as slim [snorts] as possible. >> Right. >> Because we're already asking you know like Mr. Hansel said you know we're already
043asking for you know 686 $69 million you know >> potentially. >> Yeah. you know, but >> you know, that that's just a budget obviously, but you know, it's but uh you know, we've got to be conscious of that of that what we're asking our taxpayers to do. And you know, what what are we doing, you know, as a school system, our budget, we get, you know, our budget, for a lot of people that that don't know, our budget's $53 million a year. We've got $13,000 in our fund balance now. Is that right, Mr. Melson? >> 13 million. >> 13. Yeah. 13 million. I mean, so [snorts] that seems like a whole lot, but we have to buy a lot. >> We sure do. And >> people don't realize how much we buy. And let me
044interrupt >> you. No, no worries. As and I said this in front of our commission. I'll never and we should never apologize and and they are good stewards of them of our tax dollars and we pride ourselves to get in that position of doing that. And that may come at a cost. And like I said, we we'll we'll have to figure that out. But, you know, we've heard about this um $50,000 threshold for new teachers for about six or seven years now. We haven't heard about the year after that. >> And I just I I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. I'm a I'm conservative. minded on I want to see what that next >> sure >> right >> what's coming and it's changed every year uh the amount of TISA funds that we
045get and kind of how we've done our visits and like I said we'll have a new governor a new commissioner of education next year there's no telling where we're going to land there so um I guess you the eerie part about it you're all we're kind of trying to plan and equip our district and still be good stewards of the money and take care of our people and we're fighting against dragon. We don't know what it looks like and it may be a little might be a threat. We may be in good shape. >> Well, let's hope whoever the governor is next go round is is very um very good supporter of public schools. >> I hope you're right. I hope you're right. >> Well, I I tend to kind of go with with your
046idea this year because let's wait and see. Um, we have to do what we have to do and the state supplying the money to do that. Um, and I think that's what the the county commissioners were saying when they say give us something. They've seen the raises that have had we know they had to happen to get us up to this point, but for them they're looking at it going a 7% raise in one year, a 4% raise the next year, >> right? >> And so I think when they say give us something, they're saying be careful of your budget a little more, >> right? >> So I think this would show them that we're really trying to be conscious of our dollars. >> I'll have a recommendation. Y'all will be able to discuss it.
047Y'all will raise hands or not raise hands and we'll live with it. >> Yeah. >> I would love to do it% across the board. >> Um but honoring if we're going to honor our teachers, I want to honor our non-certified people as well. And and then y'all are in the same place. >> Yeah. >> It's it's just, >> you know, and then then if we are able, >> just say there's a fivetory Hickerson or a sevenstory east. We've done all that. Where are we at then? And then you're playing catchup. It just it keeps everybody moving the same pace. And that doesn't make me right. That's my opinion. But that will be my recommendation. >> And I think we have to look at it this way, too. We can't do this. There's things that we
048can cut to to do it, right? >> That that are not affecting every child in the county, >> right? And uh there you know that's because we've we've done a lot of things that that are extras and sometimes if it comes down to it you have to look at that and see okay is which is more important. U but I want to cl I wanted to clarify what uh Chris was saying. Are you saying the 2% give the 2% increase to just the classroom teachers or the >> the definition of of what they sent last you know the definition of what >> the definition of what they sent last year that qualified for the state bonuses >> and that was quite a bit didn't didn't what was the definition of that it was more than
049just they had to have >> 50% in the the time in the classroom I think was one of them and >> and work more than 120 days. So, they would have to have 50 more than 50% of their day in the classroom and then work more than 120 days. >> Hey, Miss A, I'm not sure we can do that. >> Well, we'd have to we'd have to call it something different and we would have to make a whole new pay scale and attach those people to that different pay scale. We had talked about doing that before, >> but it's not every it's not people who you it's more than just admin and principles. It's people actual people that are in the schools that are supporting our students >> that are certified staff that may that
050maybe not in the classroom but they're still supporting our teachers. >> Maybe we need to look at that. >> What do you mean by look at that? Like can you be more specific? Well, the are people that are not teaching, but they're admin or something like that that are getting paid as teachers. >> Well, they're certified employees, >> right? >> So, like your academic coaches, they're a good example. They're in they're in the schools, but they weren't they didn't qualify to be on that list >> of, >> right? So those people would be moved to a totally different scale and would not get the same thing as your other certified teachers. But PE positions like that, they're not just, you know, sitting in the school doing they're actually supporting our students and but they they're
051they weren't classified as the same as a classroom teacher, >> right? >> To get the $2,000 bonus. >> And they may be in Miss Jones class today. They may be in Miss Smith tomorrow. They may be meeting with one grade level one day coaching them. they may be meeting with another. I mean there it affects our students directly in an indirect manner. >> I think there was around 70 70 60 or 70 people that didn't qualify for that because of they didn't meet one of those two requirements. You know, I've honestly I've seen every single person that I've come across in our system working hard this year. I haven't seen a one not putting their heart into it. So, I'm going to be my own worst advocate. I'd love to see the 2%. Is it
052possible we could meet again once we have a little better idea of what >> our dollars are and and look at that and see >> I don't know. Well, I kind of look at the 2%. It's not really a raise. It's >> cost of living. >> It just >> I don't even think it's cost of living. Honestly, >> well, I know that you know April board meeting we have to vote on the budget. So, you know, I'd be open to, you know, having, you know, for us to get back together, you know, some, you know, sometime in March and, you know, hopefully we got numbers and have a better idea or, you know, but I know, you know, >> that March meeting, Mr. Co is the nth. >> Yeah. >> Didn't we change that? >>
053No, it's the 10th now. >> 10th? >> Yes, the 10th. >> One day. one day. So, >> I know in the I know last year I think we had a work session toward the end of March that we that you presented the budget and we got to look over it. I think we done a work session for that, didn't we? >> It's a usually at the spring retreat >> or maybe that was it. It was I think it's that week before the board meeting usually, >> but then I usually try to give it to you guys a good week or week and a half early so you can look through it before that work session. >> I just know that, you know, you know, for for you to meet your deadlines, you know, time's closing
054in quick. [laughter] >> You turned up the heat on them, Mr. Aun. >> I know, but I mean, you know, I mean, it's you're feeling her pain like >> Yeah. I mean, you know, going through this last year, it's like I know what you know, you know what she's >> not sure what happened, but I I do know that the TISA stuff goes out in early January. And >> usually usually around the 15th or 17th, we get the first estimate January. >> So, we're still waiting on that. >> Yeah. That's why we're here today. >> We didn't want to We heard you last year and we're not We didn't want to get >> and put you in a bind >> like we did last year. That's why we're here today. >> Last year, I had
055two estimates by now, so I knew pretty good what our piece of funding was going to be. I mean, I can calculate it. Mr. Cornelius probably can calculate it. But what actually gets presented to us is a whole another story. So, we don't know. We don't know what that's going to look like yet. So, >> just for curiosity, what are they telling you why it's so late this year? What What made the difference? The governor getting it. >> Yeah. That what >> the governor delayed his budget. >> Oh. He just gave he just gave his address. Was it last week? >> State of the state address. >> And so then it takes the the finance department at the state a good bit of time to start putting everybody's estimates together and getting them out to
056him based on what he based on what he says. They're all going to be different color. There's a ton of legislative uh bills and things that are getting kicked around and we'll see how that comes out. There's usually a ton of new laws and we'll see how that affects us as well. Does anybody else have anything maybe we can meet in in in March? Yeah, I mean hopefully we got some better numbers and then you know we can you know we can revisit this and you know I mean maybe hopefully we can do a whole lot better you know on raising I mean but let's you know let's look at you know at least let's meet again and you know hopefully hopefully we'll know something. If we don't if if you don't have the numbers
057come into March then I don't know what we're going to do. >> We'll be in [laughter] trouble. But I hope but I just to kind of express my thinking is if we get a similar number we're not adding we're other than the 2% raise we gave a four last year we're cutting that in half trying to operate off and that this is real general thinking off of last year's numbers. So, but for what we have, >> I mean, >> we don't have anything. That was my best offer of kind of >> what my mindset is. >> And we get to the 50, we're honoring our non-certified people as well. >> And it was a 2% raise, not a 4% that they raised last year. And then let's see where our numbers are. So, we're in
058the same boat. >> Well, we got to start somewhere. I mean, that's >> Yeah, that's why we're here. >> We We didn't know we would have known this if we had been here today, right? >> I got you. Well, you you know a little bit more was the best we could offer though. >> Well, we know what we don't know. >> Yes, we exactly. >> Yeah, we know that. We still don't know how much we're going to get. >> So, right right now, I'm I'm in I'm not waiting. I'm building. So, in anticipation that we'll get something soon. Well, with the with with the increase in in the per student allocation, you know, based roughly on our number of students, you know, we're we're looking at somewhere about a million dollar increase. >> I'm think
059yeah, I'm thinking that's kind of where I calculated at, but we're going to lose the money from CTE for that, >> right? >> Course code and then >> it is odd that scale. It teeters, but then something else is gone. It's been really interesting just kind of watch that go on. >> Yeah. >> Wonder why that course code was changed for this purpose. They said it was a graduation requirement. Um and so because it's a graduation requirement, they took it away from the CTE class code. >> It's always been >> Yes, ma'am. >> graduation requirement. >> CTE was Yeah. >> just a way of getting back. >> Yes. That's what Mr. Skipper said that they had told him that it's a graduation requirement. We can't count it as a G G-code. I can't remember what
060his terminology was anymore. So, he had to move it to a >> those codes have dollars backwards. But yeah, that's why we can't count. >> So, think of all the schools that's doing that that you know it's having to do what we are money back in that copper. One thing that I'm concerned about in not doing a 2% across the board is one thing you said when you came on was that our pay scale was such that it was easy for you to get teachers. It was easy for you to get different positions and I would hate to at some point lose that lose that advantage of by not keeping up. We are very blessed. We're very blessed beyond belief and we are very very competitive with our certified >> very much so and I
061think it works and uh has worked and will continue to work in our favor. >> Well, I'd love to see it come to the point where we start stealing bus drivers and custodians from [laughter] other areas. >> Yes, sir. That speaks volumes to the commitment y'all and and we've made together as a team and we want to continue that. Um I understand wholeheartedly how that looks somewhere else. Um, >> I think some of these physicians are premium for people and and I look at what I pay my employee and it's not insurance and it's not as much per hour as as this as the I shouldn't say that I guess maybe in public but it's not and uh I know that's not a lot of money it can seem like to people but uh if
062you got that insurance on it that makes a big difference and I can't afford it as a small company to pay the insurance for one or two employees and they're getting basically the same rate per hour but no insurance and that's something we got to think about too. That's one thing I think that helps bring people into our non-certified positions is because of that and I'm I'm glad we do it. >> Did did y'all fill that position Mr. showers that was in the newspaper that we didn't could didn't have any trouble. >> Yeah, there was there was a custodial position that was listed. different sh >> and in fact we have um potentially a couple that are retiring and we've got applicants for that. I'm not >> your question specific. I don't know which specific
063>> it was on our it was on our websites. I don't know which one is one of our >> That's where all of our >> Yeah. You just lost an office worker too, didn't you, Mr. Parsley? >> Yeah. Anybody else for the good of the calls? >> So, what what's in uh to wrap this thing up, the teachers that's watching this so we don't get bombarded with calls about raises. We're potentially looking at a 2% raise. >> Potentially looking at a 2% raise for everybody. We'll hopefully get our Tissa numbers in. I thought they we our goal was to have them for you today and we don't. So, >> right. >> And that was that's late, but we'll do the best we can with whenever we get them. But I appreciate everybody's input.