001the meeting to order. Um, please join us in pledge of allegiance and moment of silence. >> Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we have uh no community comments tonight or this afternoon, I should say. So, that brings us to the 2627 budget. >> Okay. So board members, you have a um a copy laying in your lap or laying at your desk and uh Miss Diane has one that she's going to project. So as you know, the first pages are our um revenues and basically what we did here uh on the first page, the total of the local taxes. uh we put $18,4003,420 and that is the
002March estimate from the TISA money. Okay. Um nothing else has changed there. You can see that we've got the kids club and this is again uh our revenues. You can see our kids club. Uh and then going on down you can see Crossroads Academy, scrap metal recycling sale, uh book seats and damages. Um on to the next page um the uh uh school bus advertising and then the total amount that that brings in. Any questions on any of that? Okay. So next we have our money from the state of Tennessee and we have there 53,690,000 and6 53,690,93 and again that is our TISA March estimate and as I have told you they think that we will have our projection for next year hopefully by April. So, um, and, uh, we didn't put any money here
003in the parental leave line. Um, and the reason that we didn't is because that's a reimbursement and we never know. We are reaching out to our physical consultant to see uh, we had heard at one point he had wanted something put in that line. So, we will be reaching out to him to see about an amount because you never know how many people are going to have a baby in a school year. So that's why there's nothing there. And then uh the federal piece is our gear up grant. Any questions on any of that on page two? So um and then there's really no revenues proposed in the 2627 uh budget on page three. And uh that brings uh us up to 74,65,684 questions on questions on that. Okay. So on to page four and
004I'll give um Miss Stole just a minute to get caught up with us. So just like last year, the majority of our budget we see increases in pay and we see increases in um insurance and not much in insurance but in retirement. Um, we do have the uh retirement um increases from the state. Uh, they haven't been approved yet by the county commission. Uh, they have been presented, but Miss Delk has talked to um Miss Turner at the courthouse and we do know what she's going to um recommend to the budget committee. Uh, and before I go any further, I do want to brag on Miss Delk. uh she has worked extremely hard on this budget and in the past when this budget has been prepared for you all and you have these retirement rates
005you're given three different retirement rates and how it's been computed in the past is it has been an average of those three increases and then you just add that to each line. Miss Delk has not only prepared all of our pay scales and done all of our work with our insurance and tried to get our budget ready, she has gone through and figured each person's individual retirement rate and where they fall on this budget line, she has put them in. So, this budget is pretty clean. you know, there there's a few areas that um we still have some work to do obviously. Uh but I feel really confident about this being April the 2nd and this is a pretty strong draft that you all are seeing in your hands for the first time. So in
006page four, uh you're going to see a little bit of an increase there on the 116 line for teachers. In this line, we typically have budgeted for 360 teachers and we have uh done that a master's um with five years experience as a pretty good average. Typically we add a buffer of five but this year when you all change the policy from the rate the class size ratio in K to3 um we needed to based on numbers we had this year we needed to add some positions. So you're going to see an increase there. um the subline those have increased and you can see um how much they've increased. Uh projected budget 2526 was 60,000 and this is for a certified sub and going with the 135 uh per day we have budgeted 72,900. Um
007and then for the classified sub projected in 2526 was 200,000 and at a rate of 100 per day that goes up to 240. Um then you can see the state retirement the amounts there the percentage legacy is three uh 6.35 the hybrid is uh nine and classified is a 10% increase. And what she did with this line and this page is she put all of the medical insurance that you all had voted on in the meeting the other night. She put all of that on this one line. Okay. Uh not really any other increase on page four. Does anybody have any questions? Okay. So, page five, um, again, you're going to see the, uh, increases in the teacher line, um, uh, the assistance line and the retirement line. Okay. Special education program. Um you can
008see there um again on this page of the special ed uh page um not a whole lot of increase other than the assistance u Miss Holton and I when she first presented her preliminary budget um I was a little concerned about it and she changed her ratios from 1 to 15 per case load at the elementary to 1 to 20 and she still feels comfortable that that is a fair amount. Any questions on page five? >> Does that change why there's the lesser amount projected for the next year? >> Went from 3.3 to 3.2 million on the teachers line. >> Um, yeah, I think she had more teachers than 59 this year. >> Any other questions? Okay. So page uh six is our CTE line and uh again uh there's um a little bit of
009a decrease here uh in um and remember we figured uh all of our teacher salaries at option A because at the time and I think now that's the highest option we had and that's what was discussed Thursday night in the meeting for us to figure it at option A. So, you're going to see again everything that's been changed is in red. Um, and on uh the 336 maintenance and repairs, uh, she did have an increase there of $10,000. You know, we've been really blessed. We've had the ISM grant, which which was a $6 million grant. It's been going on over the last four or five years, and that grant is now sunsetting. It will be gone. So, she's been able to put green houses in places and do a lots of additions. So, now we're
010going to have some maintenance. So, that's why the $10,000 increase there. And then you're going to notice an increase in the 471 line, her software line. Some of those programs that she had been paying for through the ISM grant, she's no longer going to have that money. So, that's why she's having to to increase that line. Any questions on page six? Uh page seven. Um couple of different things here. the um athletic director. Uh that has been added under the uh 189 line and uh also uh under the 399 line, the contracted services for the athletic trainers. Um and right now, to my knowledge, that's still going to be the same as we paid last year. Um, you're going to see down under support services under your 471 software line, you're going to see a
011significant increase there because um, our student information system is skyward and the state has been hosting that and taking care of that. Well, that's gone away and we're having to take care of that ourselves. Uh, so that's why there's a increase there. questions on page seven. Same thing with page eight. Uh your increase is going to be in your salaries and your retirement. Questions on page eight. Page nine. So, under the um 322 evaluation and testing, uh you're going to see an increase there. Uh we do pay for the preac for our sophomores and juniors. That's $21 a student. And uh we are looking at purchasing edmentum and uh we use that a lot at the um Phoenix High School. Uh but we're also we also have seats in uh the high schools and if
012we get a site license that's going to be cheaper or just as cheap as purchasing individual uh seats. Any questions about page nine? page 10. Um, you know, again, salaries, uh, retirement is what you see the difference in. Um, we did have an increase again in your 471 software line, and this is for fall at library. We have reached out to them to try to get a quote for what they're going to cost charge us next year. Uh, and they would not give us one. So, we did the math and I think that was an increase of 10 or 15% that we added to make sure we had enough money budgeted for that. >> So, is this is this where your CAO salary would would have been? >> Yes, sir. It would have been in
013that 105 line. >> But we have we have never on moving that completely off. >> Well, I know that we were using the money this year. >> I thought the conversation was need >> I don't remember I don't remember the exact motion. We could go back and check maybe the minutes to see what the exact motion, but I thought that position was going to replace the CAO position. >> That was my intent. Yes. >> I don't remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think that's about where it was. >> Any other questions on page 10? Uh so page 11 again, you're going to see an increase in salaries and you're going to see an increase in um retirement. Um and you're also going to see a huge increase uh in your contracted services. And this is
014for OT. This is for PT. This is for school psychologist. And this is for speech therapist. And we cannot find speech therapist. And we cannot find uh school psychologist. So uh those services are having to be contracted out. And uh some of the contracted uh services she's also paying out of her idea federal budget as well. So that that's why there's such a huge increase. Um and then in her 429 instructional supplies and materials, she's added $20,000 to ad and I'm so excited about this for our students. She has added a $20,000 curriculum cost here. She's going to be purchasing a curriculum for our most severe students that are in comprehensive development classrooms. >> Awesome. >> We've never had that in Cumberland County. >> That's awesome. Good. >> Does anybody have any questions on page
01511? >> Once you have that curriculum, how long what's the life expectancy? I know it's a one time deal for the initial B, but how long that 10 years, seven years like >> I would assume we could probably get 10 to 12 years out of it, you know, since we've gone to my knowledge 27 years and not had one. >> Yeah. >> So, um I was just curious. >> Yeah. I think I think probably 10 to 12 years before we would have to you know revisit it. Any other questions on page 11? Uh page 12. Um again really not much difference here. uh salaries um and um retirement. There might be, you know, a 5,000 increase here uh and there, but you know, nothing significant. Questions on page 12. Page 13, technology. Again, you're looking
016at an increase in pay and your um retirement. Uh we did have a increase in our internet services. Um and then uh the software had a s a slight increase not compared to some of our others. Any questions there? >> Why did we switch to internet services? Um, we had been with the uh, Education Networks of America for 30 years and last year that company was bought out by someone else and the service um, really suffered because lots of people that were with that group left and went other places. And here's an example. Uh, you know, they pay our our bills, our internet bill. Well, uh, there was a month that they didn't pay it and we got internet to a site, it wasn't a school, but to a site cut off because this group
017did not pay the internet bill. And like we would be out and typically if you have an internet outage, uh, they respond within an hour or two and, you know, within 6 to 8, you typically have it fixed. Uh, there was some instances last year that we went over a day and didn't have internet, >> right? I remember that. So, uh, this group that we went with, they offered us, um, more, uh, I don't know what >> more >> gigs, I guess. I don't know. >> Yeah, that language. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, they offered us more for each of our schools. Uh, and their rate was a little bit less. >> Just add to what Dr. Fley was saying, if you don't mind. I mean, that that that ENA, they they switched to Zo. a
018lot of school systems across the state and really across their whole entire area have left them for exact same reasons. So, that was an issue that we've seen just consistently everywhere. >> And that was last year that we switched to them. >> That was this year. >> Uh the button was pushed the Wednesday of spring break >> to get us back on. So what was the reason for the dramatic decrease from 2425 to 2526 on line 350? >> Okay. Thank you. >> The auditor comes in from the federal money that we So it's kind of like a wash credit or debit account, but then credit that line. So it washes out, but I have to put what the audited amount was and match them. So that's why it looks like that. It's not that it's
019a journal entry that the auditor makes each year. So it's going to be like that. It'll look like that again for the end of 25. when they do the audit again. Okay. Because if you see Miss Dole that says audited actually so that's why >> yes it just that's just a >> significant vastly yes it's just vastly different I mean >> any more questions about page 13 page 14 the only thing this is your all's page so sorry no budget no pay increases here >> um the only thing that increased was a 5% increase in workman's comp. So any questions on page 14. So page 15 um again you're going to see salaries uh increase the retirement uh you're also going to see a pretty significant increase in the travel line and that is because
020of the car allowance that is in my contract. That's where the courthouse has been taking it out of is the travel line instead of the salary line. So that's why you see this the increase there. Any questions on page 15? Page 16 again, you're going to see salaries. Um, and you're going and if you remember, um, we added uh two assistant principles at the elementary level for schools that have over 600 students. So, they have a full-time principal, a full-time assistant, and a part-time assistant. And that's currently at three elementary schools. We bumped the Phoenix uh principal back to um 200, uh 20 days. And then, uh we also increased the uh front desk people at the schools, especially at the elementary schools, 10 extra days. and at Phoenix because the principles were asking for
021that. Okay. Uh and then you're going to see your normal salaries and retirement. Okay. At the bottom, um again, salaries and retirement. We did see again a slight increase in software. Not significant, but just a little bit. So, any questions on page 16? page 17. Uh again, salaries and retirement. Uh and you're going to see another increase in the software line. We have gone to um attendance on demand uh that keeps track of our leave and uh time sheets for all of our employees. Uh we've piloted it this year at Central and we added in January four schools and we're getting ready to add everybody next year. Questions on page 17. Page 18. the same thing. We had an incre a little bit of an increase in the 359 line disposal, but everything else is
022um your custodial supplies. They went in up just a little bit, but pretty much everything else is just in salaries and uh retirement questions on page 18. page 19 again your salaries retirement um we did have an increase in communications with our cell phones the purpose for that the reason for that is the work we're doing with Mckinstry uh once we get everything tagged when a maintenance person goes to an HVAC to do any maintenance uh they will pull out their cell phone and they will scan. Every HVAC unit will have a QR code and they will probably not a QR code but something like that that they will scan and can keep track of it. It will report back to our um management maintenance management system. So you're going to see an increase in
023that. Um there's also an increase in the 335 uh maintenance and repair line of 115,000. Um there's a increase in the other contracted services for the lead water testing and the ASA. Uh there's also an increase in our lawn care supply. Uh we're having to get uh more clay dirt for the playing fields and apparently that's some pretty good stuff. >> Mhm. >> Expensive. Yeah, on this page you're going to see a decrease in the software line because last year that that's where uh the Mckinstry money came out and this year we're actually buying the uh that uh CMMS system which is a centralized maintenance management system. Uh so that's why the huge decrease there. And then in the 717 maintenance equipment, you're going to see an increase there for lawnmowers uh because uh each
024high school is going to be getting a new lawnmower. >> Overdue. >> Yes. Overdue. So any questions on page 19? Just for clarity, those lawnmowers aren't typical lawnmowers, are they? >> No, sir. >> Those are very expensive. >> They are. >> So, page 20, transportation, um, salaries, retirement. um you see an increase in her software line. Um and then uh her buses and we just spoke to her today on buses and then she does need to get um a sped bus, a 278 passenger bus and 190 passenger bus. Any questions on page 20? Uh page 21 again increase in our uh pay um and retirement. The this section here the community services that deals with our um um social workers. And then this page also deals with our folks that are involved in the uh
025child care program kids club that uh we have at North Early Childhood. This is our uh prek program and we do get some grant money for that. Um and that will take care of of some of this. But again, you're going to see increases in salaries and um you do have a sub increase here and then the retirement. Any questions on page 21? So what you're going to see here on uh page 22 um this is what we had last year. Uh if you look at 91300 line our educational capital projects the auditor asked us to add this line and so um we've continued to add it in next year uh what will be coming out of that line um is um 2 um2100,000 worth of um HVAC work. We have 20 units at both
026high schools that's needing to be repaired. Again, working with Mcken Street to see which 20 need to be repaired that are in the worst shape. Um, we're needing to do fire alarm systems and that's going to be a million dollars. And what we're doing is we're working kind of backwards. If you remember, we've worked on CCHS. Uh, that's near completion, if not completed. We've redone north, that's completed. We're currently working on South. So, next will be Martin, Stone Elementary, and Pleasant Hill, the old part. Uh, some of you probably know Pleasant Hill has been added on like three different times. So, the old uh wing was apparently built in 1980. >> And then, um, that work there adds up to three uh,100,000. >> So, then going on down to see where we get the rest
027of this amount. Um, if you remember last year, this year we had some work we needed done at Homestead. Uh, but we're not able to get that done. So, we kind of put that on hold. So, we're rolling over 400,000 from this year to do that electrical work next year. We need to look at Martin Drainage and we're rolling over uh 250,000 from this year and we're needing to add 150 of new money to that. And then to finish up, Martin Electrical roll over 450,000 from this year. So that brings your grand total to what you see on your budget page, which is 4,360,000 for those capital projects. And that brings our total budget as it stands at the moment with um not sure on the pay scale options to $83,17,137 which is up almost
028roughly 4 million from last year. And based on our Tika money, TISA, not Tika, another group I'm associated with, sorry. Um, that is uh we receive uh 74,65,684. So, questions about the budget? Bless you. How many items on there are possible one-time expenses? Do you know the total amount dollar-wise? >> Not right off the top of my head. Most of those uh educational capital projects obviously would be well the HVAC wouldn't be, but hopefully the plumbing would be for 20 minutes or for 20 minutes 20 years. >> That wouldn't be considered a onetime expense replacing an HVAC. Well, it would be for hopefully 20 years. >> That's ex for us for in my in my world that's a onetime expense. So, it's a capital. >> So, then all of our capital projects would be onetime
029expense. So, you're looking right there at 4 million and 360,000 of that is that >> but there's pretty much an HVAC that always has to be replaced basically. >> Always. >> But the rest, you know, are pretty much salaries which is going to be yearly. Uh probably the um comprehensive development curriculum if if you look at if you use the rule of thumb 20 years that would be a onetime expense. Um the mowers may be a onetime expense. >> School buses. >> Yeah, school buses could probably be >> so I guess I for the next discussion on this topic. Can we can we know exactly how much? >> Absolutely. onetime expenditures, >> possible onetime expenditures, total amount. >> I can have that to you. Uh well, yeah, I started to say I can have that
030to you, but we don't have to work tomorrow, so I probably can't get that for you tomorrow. My apologies. But just to be honest with you guys, I'm really excited about where we are in this budgeting process. Uh, I'm so excited that it's early April and I'm getting to share a um at least a somewhat put together budget and we have an idea of where we are and where we're going. >> And I may be the only one in the room that's that way, but >> is the um Dr. >> the lighting that we voted on last year and has been installed. I know that it's supposed to be saving us a lot and basically that savings is supposed to be covering the payment. Do we have an update on if that's actually happening? >>
031Miss Bray, can you come and answer that question to the microphone, please? Yes, you can. >> Yeah, we might have to. It's going to pop. >> To answer your question, since they were installed in phases, >> I really didn't start tracking it till it was completely finished in October, but it sort of looks like November, December, January, we're about $5,000 ahead. >> Cool. And hopefully, you know, I I look at it about every three months and compare it to where we were last year. But now, you've got to keep in mind, I'm just looking at kilowatts, >> which is any electrical uses. I can't just pull out what these lights are pulling, >> right? >> So, I mean, if we have a coal spell, it may kind of offset some of that, but I'm just
032looking at it meter to meter >> by building, but we're about $5,000 over a three-month period. So, as of right now, we're not >> we're not covering the payment just yet, but I think it's really it's not supposed to be overtime. It's not going to be immediate >> because there was a projection on when that would really start showing. It was a couple years down the road. >> It was down the road, but we I mean I can see there is a decrease. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions on the budget? Okay. So, so next we have pay scales. So if you all remember in our um March I started to say February in our March meeting um we had option A option B and then uh Mr. Van Winkle wanted to
033add option F. So we did that. There was a little bit of confusion about that. So we were asked to project that out three years. So that's what we have done and we did the same thing for option A and option B. Okay. So you received these last or was it just this week? You received these on Monday afternoon. >> Tuesday afternoon. Monday. >> Monday. I am so lost because I was off last Friday and um so but you did receive these Monday afternoon. >> Uh does anybody have any questions? >> So with option A, what are the pros and cons of option A and why is it on here as an option? So the reason option A and option B are on there as options is because the board tasked me to come up
034with options for you all uh and I came up with two. I came up with option A and option B. And the reason for that is both of them were linear which is what the board had said that you all kind of wanted to do uh to and they are the same in between each degree and they are the same in between each step. So that's why I gave you option A and option B. Um and um >> they're not exactly linear yet, right? They've still >> there's probably a little bit that we still need to work on, but they are both relatively close. When we started this budget conversation, we had option A, option B, option C, and option D. Option C and D got a little bit squirly pretty quick. So that's why
035we deleted those as options. Um, and uh, I was going back to see how long you all had had these. So, you all received option A and option B, C and D on um, February the 13th when the work session agenda was posted. And then on the 19th, we had the work session. And then on the 21st, the regular meeting agenda was posted again with those options on there. The 26th is when based on our budget plan, we were to vote on pay scales and they were on that agenda, but a motion was made to table those. So, we didn't take any action and um then we brought them back at the March uh work session and then the March regular meeting um and now here we are in April. So, but as I said
036uh at that time um uh last week or last week when I was asked I did prefer option B. Uh at this moment with what I know uh I still cling to option B. Um it's a decent raise for our folks. Uh working on getting there to be linear and of option A and option B. um our budget would take less of a blow and I'm not quite yet familiar with the linear model and so we're going to do executive committee in the work session today because we've not had a chance to meet at this point on that linear model. Everybody's privy to what we're talking about today. Um I would like to make a couple comments on AM. Is anybody else got anything on AMB? I just wanted to say I have to leave
037at 5:15. >> Okay. >> So, I just wanted everybody to know that I'm walking out, be rude, and walk out. So, >> we have to vote. Can we >> um we'll do what we have to. We need to we need to make do what's right instead of just doing it to be done. >> Really believe that. So, >> nice to have a little of both. >> Yeah. So, um, on option A and option B, I've actually had these on this laptop for almost two years. Option B was actually developed as the the lowest cost, no freeze. I know nobody likes that term, >> restraint. >> No restraint. Uh, move toward a linear scale that we could do if insurance stayed the same. That's what that was developed for. Option A was an option that was
038moving towards linear and maximize the teacher pay increases to help offset insurance changes. Those were those were the reason those those were developed. Um, option F came from a discussion that we all had in a work session where everybody mentioned what's this going to look like in three years, four years, how can we project this? So, it was a concept and then when it was when it was released, it wasn't finished yet. So, that's why Dr. Farley and Miss Del finished that. Um, >> I have to give all the credit to Miss Delk. >> Okay. Thank you. I know she work I know she texts me on Sundays working on it. So, thank you for that. Um, but that that's what that's why those models are there. Um, right now we've we've made a decision
039as a board to provide 11.8 million in our budget for insurance benefits. We don't know how that's going to affect the teachers at this point. We just know that's how much we funded it. So, since our last meeting, um, I've done some work on a linear model, which is where we wanted to get to eventually. Um, we projected it would take three to five years when we started this. Um, we have an opportunity right now to be very close to done with this this year within about $300,000 depending on which which of the options we look at. Um, if it's B, it's probably going to be more like $450,000. If it's A, it's going to be more like $150,000. So, on average, it's around 300,000 possibility. Now, if you look at F, um, and I
040and I did have some questions on F, it it it has a increase of 2,000 on the base salary for both the next two years and A and B do not. So, that's going to skew that projection just a little bit. Um, that that can be fixed fairly easily, but it doesn't really all we're concerned about today is what what are we doing for this year, right? >> Correct. >> Um, I wanted us to be more concerned with what can we do forever. So, that's what the linear model does. Um, so basically it it makes the scale perfectly balanced from start to finish with a $625 step, fixed pay increases between the between the degree levels, and now everybody is getting the same pay increase every year. For Miss for Miss Delk, when she when
041she does her math for that next year for us, we say, "How many teachers do we have? multiply that times 625 and that's what we're obligated to as a board for pay increases. Anybody do that math quickly, it's about 365,000 for 584 teachers. So that that's what we'd be obligated to with that linear model plan. And I may have to share in a minute, Miss Diane, but with that linear model plan, there's a there's an attachment to this um agenda of the TISA funding. When when TISA funds us, they every year earmark a certain amount of money for teacher increases and that's all we can use it for. This year, that amount is $857,000. So with this plan, the the extra part of that raise is if the state gives us a raise for teachers
042and earmarks it, it automatically is paid to the teachers and put into the salary scale. So we take the number of teachers and we divide it into that earmarked money and that increases the salary scale. Now this salary scale has benchmarks that you have to hit. The linear plan puts us ahead of those benchmarks with enough cushion that as long as we pay that earmarked funding, we stay ahead of that benchmark as long as we're not overstaffed. If we're overstaffed, then we could possibly have to bump a little bit. But right now, it's being projected or it's been on an average of a 3% overall statewide increase for TISA funding, which equates to us for next year around 1.9 million of of new income. And if if everything holds true to the way it's been
043the last several years, we're going to get another $875,000 earmarked for teacher raises. That's if that's if everything goes as planned is 3%. That would be part of an a salary scale increase for next year that's already in toa. We don't have to ask the county commission for it. All we're obligated to is the number of teachers times the $625. So the the uh TISA funding formula plan is built has a built-in cola and Bill Lee has suggested it and the legislators agreed that it needs to be two to 3%. This year it was 3.2%. With what we got this year we got 1.85 85 million total. 857,000 of that was benchmarked or earmarked for teacher raises. And I have all those numbers that I can show you, but so that along with our outcome
044money would give us $2.69 million for teacher raises. This this linear plan needs $2.5 million to fund it. So we we would have leftover money to go back to something else and fix this forever as long as as long as we're staffed correctly. So the new base funding this year was a a raise of $235 per student, which was 1.6 million. New weighted funding was 216 217,000. total new recurring and and that's the thing that never leaves. When that ADM increases, it's in there forever. That's part of that's part of the and and Mr. McCarti, you can correct me if I'm wrong there. Once it's in there, it stays there, right? So, when they give this money to us, it's in that budget or in that ADM from now on. So, we don't have to
045worry about that salary scale increase next year because they're building it into the TISA funding. The reason we've struggled with this up to this point is because we were at $40,000 in 2023 base pay for for step zero. We were at 40,000. We had to get to 50,000 by this year. >> So, we've had to come up with money that they weren't giving us because we were behind in salary scales. >> Now, we have caught up and this is a plan that can fix this from now on. You're saying option F would fix this? >> Oh, you're just saying >> the linear model would fix this. Yeah, because everybody gets the same. M >> so now now those raises can be calculated and every teacher gets the same raise no matter what degree no matter
046what step they're in >> that money is split out evenly across every teacher >> and they all get 625 along with that from the school board. >> Now that 6 that's uh that actual will actually will almost support itself or help support itself. So, if you have say you have a a 30-year employee retire, that's $18,000 more than a a bachelor's degree. So, now you're funding 29 steps with that retirement if you hire a new a bachelor's degree. >> Now, you're saying that we need the outcome money as well to fund this though >> to be able to do this. Yes. So the outcome money is not a guaranteed amount every year. Is that correct? >> That's just a onetime deal. Once we catch up on this, we use the TISA funding formula to fund
047this from now on. >> Okay. So you're saying just for this amount? Yeah. >> I know. I know that's that's teachers money, >> but I think the teachers want transparency. They want to be able to know what they're going to make next year. as soon as this TISA funding formula comes out and they look at that earmarked money, they can calculate their raise if they know how many teachers we have in the district. >> I was just making sure that going forward the outcome money wasn't going to be needed to fund this every year just because we don't know what that amount is going to be every year. >> Dr. Farley won't have to worry about it. Miss Stealth won't have to worry about it. We won't have to worry about it. There's something in
048place. There's a draft policy on here for the board. >> It It's not meant to pass tonight. It's just a draft to explain if we did this, it's in policy. It fixes it for Dr. Farley. It fixes it for the school system. It fixes it for the board. Theou draft is not meant to be passed tonight either. It's just or voted on tonight. It's just a draft language to say here's here's our obligation to the teachers. Here's the formula. Here's the pay scale. Here's the gaps. So what's the negatives? >> So the negatives would be the only negatives would be there for the teachers would be if there's not any earmarked money or or TISA say we we we change legislation uh majority and they change the TISA funding formula. So then we're going to
049have to revisit all these formulas. >> But as long as as long as we keep doing TISA the same way, >> their plan is to have a COLA and and it's part is it not part of it? The COOL is 2 to 3%. That's that's their estimate. And Bill Lee's been funded at at over 3%. >> So that would just be because of the state. That wouldn't be because of the board, though. >> It wouldn't be because of the board. we would be obligated to that 625 step >> and that 625 step will stay the same but that salary scale is going to grow with whatever the state provides for that teacher salary >> and that's where it should be going and it's it is actually by law supposed to go there >> and it
050has been we've just been struggling to get where we need to be with the base yeah more than that's been going there >> but for at the most And and I I can show you that we are funded to take care of this this year at $2.6 million, $2.6 plus million and this would take 2.5 to fix. >> Well, that's in the um I think that's in the pay scale supplement section of of number nine, right? Because we included our March um we included two different TIA items. Right off the top of my head, I can't remember what they are, but we did include two different TESA items. And you had seen those items. They were in uh a Farley's followth through. >> Both of those were. So you had gotten them. So as he
051said, we hadn't had the chance to sit down and this had not been explained to me. >> Um because we just hadn't had the opportunity. Right. Yeah. He reached out. >> It's been a crazy week with it being a four day week. Um and I have managed to make it to eight of nine schools in these uh three days. >> So it's just been crazy this week. So, I didn't have a chance to sit down and talk to him. We went over it briefly um before the meeting and my only question to him and I want to put it to everybody again to be transparent. My question was this. We were talking and he said this should cover your teachers as long as you're not overstaffed. Okay. So, let's think back. We you all we
052passed and changed our policy for to lower teacher ratios in K through three. So, you know, kind of based on that, we're going to have a few more teachers probably than what TIES may and I know TEAS is not a funding like what we BEP was for years, but that was my only concern is we may be over a little bit because of of that change. So the the the part that could support that is that next year if it's $875,000 earmarked, we will actually get 1.9 million. So if we get 1.9 million and we're over a little bit, it won't affect us for the next two to three years. We we're so far have so much of a cushion in those benchmark years that it won't it shouldn't affect us. If if we need
053a little bit more out of that extra 900,000 to fix that, it wouldn't it wouldn't be a lot. It's just a maintain and then we can look at staffing the next year that if you if we do this, there's a there's a cushion in the TISA funding that's not going to the teachers that can be used in the classroom or on other things. It it it should be used in the classroom somewhere because that's what it's earmarked for. But that that that other part is actually for certified teacher salaries restricted. >> Now when you're saying overstaffed, how far overstaffed would it be? Um >> so what hap well what so state law says that in grades K through three um you can have up to 25 kids >> in was that January or February? >>
054Yeah. In January or February, the board passed a policy. They amended our policy. So now ours is 1 to 20. >> So you're going to have a few different uh we looked, we projected the numbers and if we did that right now, we would need 11 more teachers. So that's why that first budget line that I showed you, we added 12 more teachers >> to make sure we could cover that. So >> that was something we did for the TISA accountability. I think it was in the fall, wasn't it? >> Yeah, it was in the fall. It didn't. The >> I think we we started policy didn't pass. We did start in the fall. Yeah. Yeah. >> So I know this is kind of last minute notice. This this was done because of the voices
055that were given at the last meeting >> and I just so I've been playing with this salary scale for two years now trying to get it to linear and I just wanted to see how far away we were. We're really not that far away. If we get there, this is fixed. I thought it was going to take last year when I was looking at I thought it was going to take longer, but we've increased it so much and and leveled the lines out so much. Any of these other options are almost as much as fixing it. Any questions? you want to go on and you explain the resolutions. >> Sure. >> Kind of covered that a little bit, but so I did mention I think >> do you want her to click on re uh
056resolution one or two? >> Uh number one would be >> basically basically if we just made a motion to pass this, it does what that salary scale says we'll do. um starts >> the linear one. >> Yes, it starts the base at 51,000 and this is simple math. 625 for every experience step and it and it tells us have the degree in there. Doesn't have the degree, does it? >> You you and I have emailed this back and forth so many times. >> You created yesterday. I never >> Okay. >> They never came through and then you never on the original only ones I have. >> That's fine. So, it should have the degree steps in there. Like I said, these are just drafts of something we could vote on to put this in place.
057>> So, it should have if you don't mind, go to the second one, see if it's in there. >> Yeah. So, it should have the 4500, 8,000, and 11,500 educational uh spacing and then the 625 step 51,000. This one uses the outcome money. The other one does not. So, if we need to amend this >> to get us there this year. >> Yes. Right. That would and and all my intention was this and Mr. Marti can probably understand why I tried to do this to limit the motions was um to get everything taken care of with a resolution without having to make five or six motions. >> Okay. Um, but it needs some work obviously or I can email some changes. I think as the chairman also mentioned earlier, I think and I just want
058to clarify and make sure I'm following just so everybody can be on the same page. I think the goal of, as I understand in my communications with him, was to get something in front of the board, and also to get something in front of the community that that can see where you're going, can understand the point of all this, can understand the linear model. Um, it's not to set something in stone tonight that is going to, for example, lock in the association as to what this looks like moving forward. So, I don't think that's the plan. I don't there was some confusion about that. So, I just want to make sure we're on the record saying that if that's okay, Mr. >> Initially, these were were draft, >> right? And like I said, Miss Diane
059and I have emailed them back and forth so many times, I don't know where they're at, but the if you came >> they didn't. Yeah. >> Okay. So, anyway, if we can go to number seven, it's a draft also. And I know Miss Delilk knows what I'm talking about. This was over the weekend and Monday night. So, um, this one actually has the steps in it. So, you can see the master's degree is 4,500. >> The education specialist is 8,000. The doctor's 11,500. It has the the basic math in there on how it's going to be um calculated. So, that's the lift is how much the salary scale will increase. A is the restricted salary amount amount that the state puts into the TISA funding and E is the number of employees, certified employees. Pretty
060simple math. The lift is calculated to the nearest 10 to keep our salary scale from having pennies in it since we don't have pennies anymore. Um, you can see the example in the appendix of how that's calculated and what that raise would look like. If it was $876,000 with 584 employees, the lift of the base would be 1,500 and that would be in addition to the $625 step. All the beauty of all this is it's all Antisa except for the $625 step. It's a lot to digest. >> Yeah, it's a lot to digest in two days. So, this again was just a draft to provide some possible language. Yeah. So, a lot of this have to go back before like this. We'd have to go back with the get with the >> We have an
061openou right now. Anyway, when we voted to fund insurance at a at a certain amount that basically opened theou. >> Yeah. >> I think this could help though obviously these core principles and having those conversations with the teachers and putting in one very simple, you know, here's what we're looking at. Here are the here are the options. Here's the core concepts. So hopefully, as I understand, the chairman's intent is to maybe streamline that process as well and shorten it. >> I my my intent is to try to try to end this salary discussion every year. >> Yeah. >> And simple math can do that if we can just stay ahead of those benchmarks >> and keep the steps even. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. and and and the teachers with, you know, if it
062stays on the two to 3% plan that they have, they're looking at a $2,000 to $2,500 raise every year all the way across that salary scale instead of some getting $5 and some getting 3,000, >> which is how it has been. Yes. You know, in the past. Yes. >> That's why we've we've worked to try to make sure it's linear. >> Yes. And that would do that. We can get there this year if we if we just fund a little bit extra >> and it can keep everybody from going crossey every year looking at the budget. >> We won't have to look at this. The only >> in that policy potential policy. >> It's a draft. I guess we could go to number eight now. So, and you know, I I just want to say
063again, just to make sure we're legal and you said, and I I understand what you said that, you know, with the little bit of extra built in, this should help us with state minimums, but please understand my office will still make sure, you know, to check because that's our job to make sure that we're compliant and within those state minimums. Just just we'll have to revisit it. Maybe all nine of you won't, but we will here at this office. >> So, I think in that >> Can I add one thing to that real quick? Just on the legal aspect, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Mr. Chairman. And just to add to what Dr. Farley's saying, >> just to be the bad bad news lawyer guy, it will require the board to at least >>
064review the salary schedule every year to make sure because the and the main reason for that is because the state puts out a new one every year, too. So, you are required to at least revisit that. But to understand what Mr. Chairman's saying, which is that if it's already in place, the the review process should be a lot easier, I think, is the goal, right? >> Because it's been very complicated. Sure. It won't be um let's see six options that we have before us like we have this year. >> Oh, you know, we can always drop it to one if that's going to work. >> Yeah. >> so if we go to a linear model, we could have an option Z still come out even. >> Absolutely. You want to >> have an option >>
065option X option whatever could still be equally cleaner. That's right. >> Yeah. >> So, did you want her to pull up board policy? >> We can go in order. That's the way you had it. So, 1.404. >> So, as we all know, um we received information um last week about our public comment period. And as I told you, this is what is in red. You received this Monday uh Monday. What's in red is what TSBA recommends and what is in blue is what um would be probably a good idea for us here at our at our meetings um is and you know you could put 5:45 but like this meeting today started at 4. So if we said 5:45 that would be a little bit ridiculous. So just to say you must be signed up
066no later than 15 minutes prior to meeting start time. >> Right. So, and then like I said, red is what uh was from TSBA. The only difference was we added relevant just to make sure everyone understood what Germaine meant. >> Yeah. So, we don't need the Germans involved. >> No. >> Any questions on um Yes, >> do line 23 in the blue says and you must be signed up and the commenters I guess is the words. >> Okay. And so you want and you change to the commenter >> something like that. >> Okay. >> And just while there's some silence just to add to what Dr. Farley was saying and the board knows this but I want to make sure the public does too. This comes about from a new bill that was passed and
067it was the rarity of bills which it was passed and effective upon the signing of the governor. Right. >> So this already is the law. So that's why TSBA sent this out and this is effective as we sit here right now. >> Yeah. >> I think Dr. Farley Farley and I agreed that adding that 15 minutes prior to gives us time to review what the comments are now that we don't know if they're on the agenda or not. >> Yes, that's good. >> There's no Germans in there. >> Yeah. >> No Germans. And no Germans. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Either way. >> Sure. >> Yeah. That's that's the reason I said whatever works. >> Whatever works. >> Okay. Got it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Any other questions about 1.404? >> Okay. Next is
068board policy. >> It's just a draft. So, basically, it's just part of that linear model. It's it says what we're trying to do and maintain and it it requires the board to maintain that linear scale. Um, it also has the formula in there on how the raises will be calculated and it has a non-supplanting requirement where the application of funded base lift shall be in addition to and independent of the locally funded annual vertical increment of 625 is what that's going to stay. Um, and then it has the compliance review, which is just basic language that it will be reviewed by the director every year to make sure that we're maintaining that linear scale. >> So, should I ask u, Mr. McCartney, this may be a question of you? So, should I also add the
069director of schools and the board of education shall present a compliance report to the board? >> I think you could say that the director shall review it because that's what the statute requires and that that that shall be approved and also reviewed by. So, making sure it's a step process. Okay. >> Does that make sense by the board? >> Yeah, >> I can send language. >> All right. Thanks. >> All this >> I detected what that face meant. >> Yeah. All this was just >> thrown together pretty quick. So, >> yeah, but hope that's an easy edit. I'm happy to help with that. >> Okay. So, I think Miss Diane, what you did was you took Well, I don't know. I'm not going to say that. Never mind. So, any questions on this? >> Mr.
070Ricardi is going to send it to you. >> Okay. So, can we look at the uh supplemental policy 5.1101? And it this just says reasoning. Is this why you did that? >> Yeah. So, this some of the things that I've already said and explained. Okay. It eliminates compression in the salary scale. >> Uh it has an automated inflation protection because that is what the TISA formula was designed to do is to to provide that cost of living raise and fund education. Um, I know it it's got a a a great guarantee right now because they they really are in favor of vouchers and this is this is the amount that is in a voucher. >> So, that's another reason that it's going to get funded with our current legislation is it's it's going to be
071part it's going to be part of that voucher program. um in integrity of advanced degrees. It it it eliminates the shrinkage that we've that we've seen in places in that salary scale >> and it boosts morale. Everybody knows what they're going to get. Everybody knows it's going to be fair, you know, and I I know it's been hard on the board and boards past trying trying to trying to fix this. >> Yeah. >> And I I think we can actually do that this time. So, but that all this was just it was actually a supplemental we just scrambled around to do this, but that was a supplemental document to add to uh the reasoning of the board policy. So, so when we have our work session in April, you will see 1.401 401 as a
072first reading. And then you will also see um the wording that we just saw as part of policy 5.1101 as first reading. Uh >> make make sure that number is right. >> I will >> because I know it's in I know it's in five. I think that's right. But it fits in there in that. >> Okay. I'll double check that. >> That's why it's got so many numbers. So ju just a question. I know that we haven't done this a lot, but like um 1.44 that might be a policy that we would want to approve on first and second reading. >> That's correct. >> That is correct. Because it's with the state law already literally in effect as we sit here, it needs to be first and final. >> If if we want to do
073the special call and >> just to approve it >> and and just to approve that and and we can discuss whether we want to remove the I mean, there's we can set the agenda if we want to say take everything off the agenda except for that and do it first and second reading. That gets it out there and we're covered by state law. Is that is that okay? >> I would be in favor of that, but I have no vote. >> Is that something you would recommend, sir? >> I said that in code. Let me say it very clearly. I would recommend that, sir. >> All right. is, but is there anything else on the work session? >> Well, the the only other thing is item nines and that's pay scale supplements. And that's kind
074of everything that we've gone over. Does anybody have any questions? Is there anything anybody wants to see? >> I just have a question, I guess, procedural wise. So, in our meeting last Thursday, we scheduled this meeting to to go over page by page and to approve pay scales. And that was my intention of coming here tonight was to give you a pay scale to plug in. >> Uh so, my understanding we we're not doing that now. >> We >> that would I can defer that to the attorney. >> Sorry, I'll be the bad guy. I think the association has made it clear to us that they consider collaborative conferencing still open and because collaborative conferencing open when collaborative I'm sorry collaborative conferencing when it is open and I agree with them that it is one
075mandatory thing that you have to discuss when it's open is salary andor benefits. So, I think what they're asking for is I don't think there's anything wrong and I think it's a great idea that we move forward with showing them these things and that's the direction the board's going, but in terms of finally improving it without the association having a say in that or more conversation would probably be an issue. >> So, does that mean that we need to kind of settle on what direction we're going to show them and that's the option we want to move >> meeting no matter what. So, it doesn't matter. >> Yeah. I mean, I think would be helpful. We only had eight last year for budget. So, >> well, we're doing better, but >> going to be doing
076real good. >> I think what would be helpful is if the board may gave clear indication tonight as to going back, let's say, to the association with the idea of option A, option B or option C is what we are recommending rather than approving. I think that would be helpful and certainly should hopefully cut this process down would be >> better language. Yeah. >> And this is just a thought too. Um, I feel pretty good about where we are. Um, maybe we could after we have the um work session, and I I have that date written down. I don't have it on top of my head, but after we have the work session, do a special call at that time to finalize the pay scales. I think it's two weeks from tonight. >> So, >>
077probably need to do something before that with with theou. >> Oh, yes, definitely. Yeah, we'll have to do something within the next two weeks with uh collaborative conferencing team. But what I'm saying instead to Mr. Cole's point, instead of having everybody come back another night when we do the work session, just immediately following that, kind of like what we've done here, is go ahead and have uh a special call for you all to figure out pay scales. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> And that was what my understanding tonight was supposed to be. So maybe it's not that. But >> well, it doesn't matter which pay scale we vote on. It's going to change theou and it being open. >> Okay. >> We need to we need to we need to at least talk to the teachers
078and collaborate about if that's the right thing to do. >> Yeah. You can go as far as recommending tonight. I just think you can't finalize until we also have again more collaborative conferencing with the teachers because it's open. That's correct. Well, so yeah, go ahead. >> That that's all that's on this agenda then. >> Yeah. Yeah. I guess Miss Nichols needs to go. >> Yeah, she's gonna have to go. >> All right. Nothing else on this work session agenda. >> Hi. >> Yes. >> Is it on there? >> It's not on the work session. >> It's on the regular. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Ready? >> Yep. Meeting adjourned.