001good afternoon and welcome to the joint hearing of the comedian education and the comedian higher education and my glasses are fogging up today is wednesday march 20 march 15 3 o'clock p.m in hearing room 229 this meeting including the audio and video of remote participants is being streamed live on youtube you will find links to viewing options for all senate meetings on the live and on demand video page of the legislature's website this zoom meeting and youtube live stream event will include the three o'clock agenda for the committee on education and the committee on higher education in the unlikely event that we have to abruptly end this hearing due to major technical difficulties the committees will reconvene to discuss any outstanding business on friday march 18 2022 at 3 pm in this conference room and
002a public notice will be posted on the legislature's website i'd like to take this time to remind our testifiers that due to time restrictions on our hearings we will be limiting testimony to one minute per testifier per bill for people participating remotely please remain muted and video disabled until shortly before it is your turn to testify when i call your name unmute yourself and your time will begin after your minute is completed staff will mute you so that we can move this hearing along in an orderly and efficient manner thank you we will begin with house bill house draft two relating to civil rights requires entities with state education programs or activities for that receives state funding for educational programs or activities to adopt written policies and undertake other specified actions later than january 1
0032023 requires annual reports to legislatures appropriate function to begin we have pitayashi interim superintendent for the department of education good afternoon chairs kidani and chairs mercado kim and members of both committees sean bacon interim assistant superintendent for the office of talent management speaking on behalf of interim superintendent keith hayashi in the department of education we stand on our written testimony and support and are available to answer any questions and are thankful for the legislature's support thank you thank you sean next to testify annie uchi deputy attorney general good afternoon chairs kidani and kim and members of the committees and hiruchi deputy attorney general providing comments on behalf of the department as stated in our testimony given what's occurring at the federal level regarding the revisions to the title ix regulations it may be advisable to
004wait for the adoption of the final rules to ensure that the state statutes and rules are consistent with the final federal regulations however if the bill continues to move the department requests that the bill be amended to define the term educational program or activity in order to specify which entities would be mandated to comply with the requirements of hospital 1775. thank you for the opportunity to testify and i'll stand by for questions thank you thank you next to testify yvonne lao interim executive director of state public charter school commission good afternoon chair kidani chair kim and members of the committee we we thank you for your support and support this bill and stand on our written testimony thank you so much thank you yvonne next to testify jan govia vice president administration for university of
005hawai'i stand there oh present chair thank you their testimony is in support next to testify lee ann ibesugawa chair justifying for hawaii's civil rights commission aloha cherokee dani chairmarkado kim members bill hoshido for the hawaii civil rights commission now you have our written testimony in support of the bill with strong concern over the bill's statutory mandate that in any conflict between the state title title ix corollary and the federal title ix law federal law shall prevail our concern is discussed at pages four to six of our testimony and i'll be available thank you bill let's testify yankee overly public policy chair for aauw of hawaii good afternoon kim chair kidani and members of committee thank you for this opportunity to testify uh i am representing both hawaii democr women's coalition as well as aauw here
006today you have our written testimony uh and i'm here to answer any questions you may have i just want to emphasize that a previous federer administration has proven to us advocates why it is so important that we have a strong state title nine laws to protect our students so that's the only thing in addition that i would like to comment on so we are in support thank you thank you next to testify michael bologne jr is michael president not present chance thank you this testimony is in support next to testify linda lentil good afternoon i'm linda elenta thank you for the opportunity just to share a brief testimony this is also my son jason elento he didn't sign up for testimony but i want to introduce him he's been participating in the legislative internship program
007with the keiki caucus so it's a step-by-step learning experience so i can't believe it's been that it has been that so hard i guess it hasn't given me so we're um i'm teaching him but also you all are teaching him so i appreciate it and this is just i had some comments for this particular bill regarding civil rights i think um between schools and other situations we have lots of opportunities to have our civil rights taken away in the way we're being treated so i appreciate your looking into the civil rights of everyone including students but basically i wanted to share in addition or just you have my written testimony so i have different thoughts and ideas there i'd appreciate your consideration because there are other bills in and that i've seen over the years
008and hawaii revised statutes 368-1.5 and 3860. they are related giving the hawaii civil rights commission jurisdiction over certain types of um complaints so having to rewrite three eight six four three six eight i apologize i think it's three six eight so i get that confused correct thank you that i'd like to see that um i hope i wrote it right has to do with our bill today but um i just hope that there aren't too many rewrites and more descriptions i kind of share the same point as the hawaii civil rights commission they briefly talked about it in their monthly meeting earlier today and anyway as far as charter schools go having been a mom of three kids at charter schools one with special needs i'd like to ask that um they have what they
009need the resources in order to protect their own students but being a charter school funding is an issue so if you look at the doe they already have their equity specialist they were meant for the gender gender equity issues but i push that they make sure they get training for 504 disability issues so i would hope that those equity specialists could take on the responsibility of making sure that the charter school students just like the special ed students that the des is at the doe oversee can take care of them as well so um i appreciate the opportunity if you have any questions thank you look me up thank you bye next to testify and free for the democratic party of hawaii women's caucus hello ann aloha chair kim cherokee donnie members uh this is
010my first time doing this on zoom this is kind of amazing we have this kind of access i just want to say i really appreciate it and i want to say i stand on my written testimony and pretty much concur with everything that my colleague jungi overly had to say that's it for me thanks thank you so much is there anyone in the audience that wishes to testify that has not provided to someone no thank you um members are there any questions of our testifiers for the attorney general yes i have a question um more in regards to what the civil rights commission is raising that right now i guess chapter 368 could actually be um more expansive in terms of protections afforded by the uh the state corollary chapter uh what is it in
011whatever chapter we're looking at 368. but they're concerned about languages being added now that the scope of this would be limited to what the federal actually approves and i think your testimony suggests that we wait until until the federal rules are approved but right now don't we have the authority to be stricter um yes i mean well i can't answer my question thank you further questions for the ag continue i'll follow up on that so currently isn't it the schools um or any educational entity that's receiving state funding now like the university of wire schools can't they adopt their own policies yes yes and they would be working to be in compliance with with title ix and i think this chapter is meant to be the state corollary to title ix um our concern though
012is that right now the federal the title ix regulations are being um revised at the federal level and so we're concerned about potential confusion if there are inconsistencies between the federal title ix regulations and what is set forth in state law or regulation okay but the individual entities education entities can in fact put into their written policies right i mean they without this measure they can still do that yes yes and so i guess i'm just concerned like with the university for not doing it and not having done this and having to wait for us to do a measure i know there's certain things like the data and perhaps the positions but certainly um they have been and we've been encouraging them to do so which they've not done and you know they keep telling
013us especially the university well the university how they have autonomy and we shouldn't be meddling and we shouldn't be telling them what to do and yet they don't do what they're supposed to be doing and so in this case it's okay for us to meddle but in other cases it's not so i continue to raise this issue so thank you sure thank you members further discussion yes so do you disagree with what the with the preamble in this bill that suggests that the trump administration did cut back on the how title ix should be applied and that it's okay for the state to be stricter and to set standards are a lot higher than what the federal government has i'm not disagreeing with the the preamble no i think we're just concerned about um inconsistencies
014between federal law and whatever might be passed by the state but if they're consistent by when you're saying that that you're basically saying we should go ahead and just follow what the trump administration they've done if those rules are the ones that are implemented is that what you're saying now my understanding is that the biden administration is making revisions um to the the trump administration's rules that um in all likelihood will may reverse some of what was passed by the trump administration okay but then i don't understand your point then if you're saying that we need to be consistent then you're basically saying that if the administration doesn't follow through then we need to be consistent with the trump administration's standards then well we're just we're just i'm i'm sorry i need to just reiterate
015the position of the department that we just want to make sure that we're not creating confusion by having inconsistencies i think what would be especially um confusing is that what set forth in the bill is that if there is a conflict then the the federal rules would um would um would apply and so to the extent the federal rules are more narrow than there will be um there will be confusion at the state level in terms of what is applicable and what is not that's if that language is in here right correct okay thank you kim did you have a question of the university well is the university on do we have a representative from the university of hawaii um if there's no further questions we're going to move on to the next bill so
016house bill 1848 house draft two relating to student journalism this establishes freedom of speech and freedom of the press protections for student journalists producing school-sponsored media or university-sponsored media unless subject to certain exemptions and here to testify on this measure akitayashi doe hi good afternoon both chairs makato kim and kidani and members of the committee i'm teri ushijima interim assistant superintendent with the department of education testifying on behalf of interim superintendent kitayashi we stand on our written testimony and respectfully offer comments on hb 1848 house draft 2 and would like to additionally note if pass the need for an appropriation to provide training to students teachers advisors and administrators related to the provisions contained in this measure thank you thank you laverne moore from hsta a lot of chairs and members of the committee the
017hawaii oh i speak on behalf of also to junior hsda president the hawaii state teachers association supports this bill in relation to student journalism we have our testimony but on a personal note i'm from mckinley high school and miss reeves who will be testifying has worked for six years to get this pass at the legislature why because she wants it into statues statue set standards principles and procedures that must be followed in hawaii in regard to student journalism and implements justice in our society yes the board of ed has a policy but statue is stronger than a policy hawaii needs a law that protects the first amendment rights of student journalists to support our teachers and students the hsp urges this committee to pass this bill mahalo thank you jay hartwell hawaii publishers association in
018support hillary davis student press law center also in support ryan an individual in support i'm sorry kibailani ozawa cynthia reeves individual support cynthia thank you for the opportunity to testify in support of this bill my name is cindy reeves i'm in my 10th year advising the student newspaper at mckinley high school i was a high school and college student journalist now as an educator helping young people grow as writers leaders and thinkers through the production of a school newspaper is my greatest privilege current law and state policy allow unnecessary censorship and interfere with this task that is why this bill is needed i'm here to support my students and to answer any questions you might have i want to thank you for twice passing versions of this bill and to ask that you do so
019one more time thank you cynthia shane connoisseur also in support welcome okay thank you committee for letting me testify in person um hi my name is shane conocho i am the second year as a student journalist for the opinion at the kenya high school i am in support of this bill the opinion is currently 101 years old student journalists in the past have written about major historical events they wrote about the truth from a student's perspective we're doing that now too even if it's controversial or might not make the school look good what we don't write are things that this bill does not allow for example articles that are libya's we have a staff editing structure and an advisor to help us with this however our current laws will allow a principal to censor articles
020for reasons that are far too subjective this bill clearly spells out the rights and responsibilities of all involved in student journalism that's why this law matters please support this bill thank you thank you shane jennifer zuma chu chopal pollock i'm sorry jennifer jerome linear jerome good afternoon um my name is jerome lanier speaking in support of this bill i'm in my second year as a student journalist at mckinley high school in news writing class i've been taught press law news value and journalist journalistic ethics we are very lucky at mckinley high at mckinley high school that our principal and advisor understands that understands and wants to help us grow as journalists even if they don't even if they don't agree or like what we write so so so long as we do it ethically but
021that's here mckinney i want all hawaiian student journalists protected schools are supposed to help prepare students for the future how is letting administ administrators censor articles that they don't agree with help our future journalists this bill will create better education and better democracy thank you thank you jerome i'll see you cunningham everyone good afternoon my name is althea cunningham and i'm a reporter and editor for the pinion at mckinley high school currently school principals and advisors can censor student productions but as an editor i get to see firsthand how responsible and passionate my fellow staff mates and friends are about covering current events through my experience of working with them i have never seen intent to misuse information to purposely harm anyone hawaii student journalists should be protected and report in confidence without the fear
022of censorship and truly show what they've learned about press law ethics leadership and integrity i believe this bill will create better education opportunities and promote healthy growth within the journalism community thank you for this opportunity and please support this bill thank you i want to say that black and gold have certainly been well represented today mckinley um members there is there anyone else wishing to testify on this measure if not members any questions i have a question go ahead okay sure thank you my question are for the students of mckinley high school have you written any pieces uh regarding the call to rename making high school i would love to see them if you guys could send them to us we would appreciate reading them thank you very much senator chitagon question for the department
023department you mentioned the two board policies like this right now but how is hazelwood and tinker applied in practice um i would need to um get back to you and i'm not sure is that covered by your uh by any policy that exists right now i i would need to go back and take a look well i understand that if you're giving it up to each principal or each teacher isn't it better to have a policy set on a statute than that that appropriately applies the hazel wouldn't take your decisions so if you if you're asking if it would be better for a statewide law to guide this work rather than individual principles i think the programs that you have at different high schools will depend on how they may need to provide their procedures
024and processes some programs are larger than others the question for for us on this bill is whether or not censorship will be applied individually by the principles based on some unarticulated standard or whether or not the hazelwood and tinker standards should be put in statute and so that all teachers all principals know what the standards are i mean you haven't brought a policy that talks about hazelwood or tanker and how they should be applied here okay well i i think um yes we we would need to um maybe provide you with more information on that oh but you've gone to this was a triple referral on the house side so you've had three opportunities to provide testimony on this bill and i think the most of testimony has been about the same so is there
025more information i i think we provided the information that uh we in in relation to the bill um if you're asking specifically about the hazelwood case and health and applications i would like to go back to review more of the details and do you know what the hazelwood and tinker cases said i am not um i would need to go back and look at the details do you have any idea what pedagogical reasons could be given to censor a student publication do you have any examples of what that would be um no i'm i'm sorry not at this time okay and yes thank you sure any other questions i have a question for um miss reeves cindy what kind of training um do your students your journalism students get right now um we start out
026the year with law and ethics okay so they are aware of tinker they are aware of hazelwood they are aware of libel despite the fact that they mispronounced libel as that they are aware of what libel is and they are aware that i am an advisor and if they choose to break rules they know i can stop them if they do something that's lifeless they also know that if they do something that's not illegal but that is against my advice they're the ones who are going to sit in front of whoever complains um so that's the beginning of what they are taught is law and ethics so if this measure passes what more training would they need at mckinley none i have taught them everything that they need okay fantastic thank you uh so um
027d.o.e terry you said in your testimony at the end that if this measure passes you would need funding for training and yet we just heard that kids in journalism already receives the training so i'm not sure what kind of funding you need and what more training are you talking about um so i think it would be more awareness that it's now a law and maybe what that means and also guidance to schools in terms of procedures that should be included in school in the school student publishing approval process there's things in here such as needing to make sure that they have reasonable timelines in order for the advisors to review otherwise the items would be considered approved and also to um just reinforce and make sure the student teacher and advisor and administrator roles are
028cleared and possibly other identified areas okay but that shouldn't that be in the normal world of or teachers and education and as we've just heard um from mckinley that that's already top so yeah you may have to add a few but to say that because this doesn't have any money in it this bill doesn't even go to ways and means so to say at this juncture that you would need money for training um i'm really perplexed by that i'm not sure what more training that's already embedded into these journalism students i think it would be to um just bring folks up to date on um the most current um [Music] extra money shouldn't that be part of whatever updates you folks do now on a regular basis and whenever there's a change to something you
029don't come running to the legislature every time there's a change and to update do you no we do not okay thank you thank you remember there's any other questions if not turn it back over oh i guess we're going to decision we're going to go into decision making so uh can you put us in a breakout room he says resuming the joint hearing on the committee on education and committee on higher education members for house bill 1775 hd2 the recommendation of the chair is going to be to pass this bill relating to civil rights with amendments to address the concerns from the ag's office by adding a definition for the educational program or activity and also some technical and non-substantive amendments any questions members if not house bill 1775 hd 2 to pass with amendments
030chair votes on the committee on education chairs recommendations the past with amendments generals i vice chair kim aye senator de la cruz i vote aye sarah favela share five eyes recommendations adopted okay for house bill 1848 telstra do you want to do sorry same recommendation for higher education committee uh house bill one seven seven five house draft two uh any discussion for higher ed committee if not chair votes i the committee on higher education chairs recommendation password amendments chair votes i senator kirani aye senator keith agaron senator wakai hughes and senator favela chair four eyes recommendations adopted okay thank you um it's a little confusing because education had the lead with higher ed and now i'm the lead and education is second and that's why we have somebody else taking the votes because it gets
031confusing okay hospital 1848 house draft two relating to student journalism the recommendation is to amend the bill to just put in some clarifying language on page 4 line 15 and page 8 line 20 um just adding in the words or the first amendment of the united states of um united states constitution following under this section so just clarifying and to put an effective date uh upon approval i don't believe that we need any funding in this if you do you can come back in but at this point it doesn't appear that funding is needed and there is no appropriation in this bill as well members any questions any discussions hearing the chair vote side for the committee on higher education with four members present are there any reservations any opposition share your recommendations adopted thank
032you very much [Laughter] for the committee on it committee on education is to pass with amendments with four or five members president any with reservations any uh opposition share recommendations adopted thank you this hearing isn't good afternoon we are now convening the committee on education our 3 10 pm agenda the zoom meeting and youtube live stream event will include the three o'clock a gen 310 agenda for the committee in education in the unlikely event that we have to abruptly end this hearing due to major technical difficulties the committee will reconvene to discuss any outstanding business on friday march 18 2022 and 3 o'clock p.m in this committee room and a public notice will be posted on the legislature's website i'd like to take this time to remind our testifiers that due to time restrictions on
033our hearings we will be limiting testimony to one minute per testifier per bill for people participating remotely please remain muted and video disabled until shortly before it is your turn to testify when i call your name staff will unmute you so that you can move so that and your time will begin after your minute is defeated staff will mute you that we can move this hearing long in an orderly and efficient manner first on the agenda is house bill 1561 hd1 relating to education establishes within the department of education a workforce readiness program to provide opportunities for students to earn associate degrees workforce development diplomas pre-apprenticeship certificates and other industry recognized certificates requires a department to designate schools including adult community schools to participate in the program appropriate funds for the workforce readiness program and
034two full-time equivalent adult workforce workforce readiness program coordinator positions to testify kitayashi interim superintendent good afternoon chair kidani vice chairman carlo kim and members of the committee again tereshijima interim assistant superintendent with the department of education testifying on behalf of interim superintendent kitayashi the hawaii state department of education stands on its written testimony supporting hb 1561 house draft point thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony thank you terry next to testify also tui jr for hsta aloha chairs and members of the committee laverne moore speaking of behalf of osaturi jr the hawaii state teachers association president the hsa supports this bill and we stand on our written testimony and i want to make some comments as a sped teacher this program is truly the way to serve our diverse student population with different modes
035of learning this program will improve graduation rates and assist 9th grade retention for the transition from middle school to high school is where we lose our 9th graders after the first semester this workforce readiness program is a second chance for our students and adults and the appropriation of state funds earmarked for this program is needed for the development implementation and coordination of a workforce readiness diploma program for hawaii mahalo for the opportunity to testify thank you laverne next to testify trevor of barzua the chair vice chair members of the committee uh trevor abrazo with the chamber of commerce hawaii we stand on our written testimony in support of the measure and just want to make some comments and with the rise in student debt in the workforce shortages across multiple industries you know our small
036businesses and all our members are behind this bill and many other career and sector partnerships uh within um the education community so happy to answer any questions and thank you for hearing this bill thank you trevor we appreciate the chambers testimony next to testify helen sante mckinley community school for adults good afternoon helen sante principal mckinley community school for adults we stand on our written testimony in support of this bill and are available for questions should you have any thank you thank you and we have other written testimony one with comments and all the risks in support are there any others in the audience who wish to testify on this measure if not members are there any questions i have a question for us trevor this quick question put you on the spot here so
037so trevor i certainly appreciate what you have to say about student debt and how we can help our students to get into the workforce and limit what their um burdens are going to be in the future but what else is the chamber doing other than just supporting a bill like this how are you trying to get the university uh to lower the not just the tuition but their expenses so they don't have to pass on all this costs to the students right well i could speak on what the chamber is doing to partner with high schools and also middle schools throughout the state to bring through work based learning and sector partnerships so talking about university how are we lowering the cost of education for our graduates high school graduates that attend the university well
038with our membership you know across all industries and across large and small businesses you know we have a lot of stakeholders at the table with the university and you know us being the convener of the private sector with the education community as well as the university that's been an ongoing conversation and one that's active right now and i know it's an issue across the country but especially here in hawaii and uh one that's topical so kind of what we're doing is is convening the leaders and along with the with our board and our members and with the private sector to help because it's an issue you know not only with students but also too with the workforce and people graduating and having this extreme debt so i appreciate you bringing that up sorry i certainly
039appreciate uh our chamber taking a practical role i just would like to see folks more front and center on some of these issues um regarding the university and some of the expenses that we keep pointing out in the leadership so thank you thank you sorry members further questions if not i don't think we need okay moving on to let's build 1834 relating to education requires the doe to establish and administer the strong students grant pilot program to provide grants for eligible education expenses to eligible students requires the doe to submit progress reports to the legislature prior to the 2023 and 2024 regular sessions appropriates funds for the pilot program to testify interim superintendent yoshi thank you good afternoon again chair kidani vice chairman of cardiff members of the committee teri ushijima interim assistant superintendent with
040the department of education testifying on behalf of interim superintendent kitayashi the hawaii state department of education stands on its written testimony and provides comments on hb183 house draft two thank you for this opportunity to testify thank you terry next to testify osatouli jr lahoya state teachers association aloha chair of members of the committee laverne moore speaking on behalf of osatui junior president of the hawaii state teachers association the hawaii state teachers association respectfully opposes house bill 18334 hd2 we believe that those funds would be better used if provided directly to the doe to provide this technology tools directly to students rather than establishing a potentially complicated and administratively burdensome grant program implemented by a private third party and another note i want to point out is look at from another perspective the funds appropriated in
041this bill could also potentially be used to support teachers directly by providing them funds to purchase classroom supplies rather than our teachers buying them with money from their own pockets as they currently do we appreciate the opportunity to testify thank you next to testify yvonne now interim executive director hawaii state public charter school commission good afternoon cherokee dhani vice chair kim members of the committee we stand on our written testimony in support of the bill and are appreciative of your committee including our charter school students in this potential program thank you so much thank you yvonne next to testify david miyashiro founding executive director hawaii kids can aloha chair kidani vice chair came in members of the committee hawaii kids can stands on our written testimony in strong support we did want to highlight that
042this funding is by definition not duplicative this streamlined program would help parents fill pukas and address needs they can't already we also don't believe this program needs the full appropriation articulated by the doe to start so it won't divert significant resources and doesn't take funds from school budgets lastly this program is about helping kids and families and would actually take some of the pressure off of the backs of schools and teachers during these challenging times we've heard from educators who are burnt out and exhausted from having to wear all hats during the pandemic this bill would be good for kids parents educators and our state mahalo thank you david testifiers uh additional testifiers are not present on zoom the uh the comments and support and practice with comments on the bill is there anyone in
043the audience who wishes to testify on this bill that has not spoken yet if not members i don't think we need to go into the great public yes i guess oh d.o.e terry [Music] i'm trying to figure out and maybe i'm not reading the bill right so how exactly is this money given out and how how is it monitored and being spent um so based on reading the the bill it would be a third party that we would have to select and i believe they would have to identify which students would be qualified and also examine documents such as their tax information in terms of monitoring we would need to learn more about the the tool that whatever third party is selected so um and it would be on a first come first serve based
044on how many how much money i guess is available so what can they spend this money on um according to the bill it would be computer hardware internet access textbook curriculum or other instructional materials fees for national standardized assessments or placement tests and therapies for example speech language and uh and i guess therapy um occupational behavior or physical therapy and so that's what's being proposed and the third party what what kind of expenses would we incur for that uh if this bill is passed we would have to figure that out um [Music] so what part how much of the of how much is this program gonna cost so if it's done in a equitable manner where we estimate that there's approximately 79 000 students who currently receive free or reduced price meals and if that's
045a thousand per student they'll receive 79 it'll cost about 79 million [Music] 79 million and of the 79 million how much of that is gonna go to the third party i think um there would need to be additional funds that would go to the um that would be needed to uh obtain a third party when we don't know that information we would have to research and figure that out well remember the program you folks are now looking at where um you would do assessments of kindergarteners that one time assessment and it was going to be it was going to cost us at some point a million dollars for a one-time assessment um the kindergarten entry assessment or during the kindergarten at some point and i mean it was like horrendous amount of costs for what
046we were getting for a one-time assessment that changes so quickly for kindergarteners that it would not even probably be good a year or two later but that kind of expense could be better utilized other ways and i'm just looking at this third party to get them to one get the families to participate to go through the documents and then somebody's got a monitor yes to make sure that these monies are spent in accordance and then it's so broad you can use it from speech therapy for medical for i mean it's it sounds like it's crazy it would be um a very large challenge for us to um but you guys are supporting it nowhere um providing comments okay so you think it would be difficult for you folks it says supports the intent yes we
047support the intent because we care about students and um [Music] we all care about students i mean it's practical that these monies are gonna okay because didn't the federal government give each family for child monies um and it's done okay that's not true no no i know i'm just saying it's helping yes probably families that are are on this lunch yes and our schools do um reach out to families in need and we have those some structures in place that our folks are working very hard to do thank you okay thank you members for the questions if not i think we will go into the breakout room we're convening the committee on education we are deliberating on the two bills before us members the recommendation of the chair will be to pass out house bill
048one five six one with amendments and the amendments is to insert a defective date of july 1 2051. questions share both sides okay voting on house bill one five six one house draft one to pass with amendments uh by chair votes aye by shove roadside senator de la cruz all right senator kanu senator favela five eyes recommendations adopted thank you members and for house bill one eight three four house draft two recommendation of of the chair is going to be to be to defer this bill noting that there is a senate bill uh 2816 that was passed out earlier and is uh in the house now questions members thank you you