001[Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat [Music] up here. [Applause] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. Heat [Music] up here. [Music] Heat up here. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Laughter] [Music] Heat. [Music] Hey, [Music] heat. Hey. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Hey, Heat. Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] No, you can't. >> Okay, thank you. Welcome everybody. So, roll call, please. >> Chairman Smith >> here. >> Mrs. Black here. >> Mr. Connor, >> here. >> Mr. Mr. Dy >> here. >> Mr. Gro >> here. >> Mrs. Haden >> here. >> Mrs. Jones >> here. >> Mr. Keane >> here.
002>> Mrs. Schaefer >> here. >> Mr. Slater >> here. >> Miss Thomas. >> Superintendent Dr. Robertson. >> She's on here. >> Okay. I need a motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve. Second. >> Got a motion and a second. Uh, Jody Schaefer. >> I'd like to make a motion to amend the agenda by pulling item 9AU with Senator Stone from the agenda. >> Second. >> So, I've got a motion and a second to amend the agenda by pulling item 98. Is that correct? >> Pull for discussion. >> That's a motion. >> No, it's a motion to I was I was asking for clarification. >> Yeah. >> A motion to amend the agenda by pulling this off the agenda. >> Okay. >> And and I think I heard a second somewhere. Did I not? >>
003Now discussion. >> Do you want to go first? >> We have the RFP on the agenda. So, I'm wanting to pull this off until we go through that process. >> The RFP is on the agenda. So, I'm I'm making the motion to pull the centerstoneou off until we go through the RFP process. >> Okay, Mr. Connor, >> we are failing kids today. We were failing kids yesterday and we've been failing. >> Excuse me a second, Mr. Con for interrupting, guys. I need you to sit, please. >> Why do they have to sit? >> I need you to sit, please. >> Why do they have to sit? They're not doing anything. >> The chair has asked you to sit, please. >> Thank you. Mr. Car, >> is there anything else you want to address before I
004start? Go >> ahead. We are failing kids today. We were failing kids yesterday and we've been failing kids for two months. All that I'm asking is that we reinstate something that we have had in place for a decade until we have a chance to put I'll call it better a better situation. All I'm asking is to care about kids. >> Okay, Miss Jones. Well, I just have one question before I even say this. Why do they have to sit down? Like they didn't they weren't saying anything and you can stand anywhere. >> So, I think I'm just concerned about the why for why they have to sit down >> because it's like a it's like a silent statement, but it's not a statement. So, I'm just >> Miss Jones at the pleasure of the chair.
005You weren't here in the beginning. I >> I was at my baby's showcase. So, let's be clear. >> I wasn't negligent to the public. I was at my child's first grade showcase at Battle Academy that started at 49. >> Answer your question if you'll if you'll let me. >> Go ahead. >> The last meeting we had a lot of people standing on the walls. So I had requested with security that we had no one standing. And so that's why I asked that you st that you sit please at the pleasure of the chair. >> But they're not on the walls though. Mi Miss Jones, I've asked everyone to be seated in the room. That's that's the order of the chair. >> And then my other part, >> go ahead. >> No, I just want to
006get some more clarification from >> Okay. And then um I too >> please be seated. >> I too as I second the motion to put it back on the amendment I mean the agenda feel that in not offering any service we are neglecting the needs of our students. And for me, this vote or the provision of service for me from a professional ethics standpoint, not to say anything, I'm violating my code of ethics from the National Association of Social Workers. And I am not going to do that for the political pleasure. I have not made it 21 years in my profession to lose any accreditation that I'd had to pay Uncle Sam back for and my licenses for every year not to do what I am bound legally and ethically to do as a master's
007level social worker. So I asked for it to go back and I will ask every time until a service is provided because it violates my code of ethics. [Applause] Miss Black, Miss Black, beyond our shared codes of ethics. Um, it I I have a question for Dr. Robertson and then I would like to I still have something to say after I get an answer to that question. >> Okay. >> How long does the RFP process usually take? >> Uh, it it can vary. We put a time frame on this that uh with approval of the committee and the release of the RFP that we uh fully expect to bring vendors back to you in November >> to vote on to be reinstated >> for like December for a few weeks and then next semester. >>
008No, ma'am. Uh plan would be to have it for the remainder of this school year with provisions to extend uh into future years. >> Okay. Um, I know enough about IEPs and 504s to know that there are students in Hamilton County who specifically have centerstone written services written into their IEPs. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Bennett. Are we currently breaking the law by not providing those services until we're able to go through the RFP process? If we have centerstone written in any IEPs, that would surprise me because we make it a point not to list specific providers. Okay. So, I mean, I I understand. >> But if if the services are listed and we're not providing those services and the kids aren't getting them because Center was their provider, >> they they shouldn't be.
009What what I'm saying is if it's an IEP service, a Hamilton County employee is required to be providing that. There's no set of circumstances where we should be contracting with Centerstone to provide IEP specific services. I I I can't sit here and tell you that it's 100% sure. I can tell you we shouldn't be doing that. I I was under the impression that like beyond center stone that like we have specific like physical therapy services like because there are certain amount of hours here. So we do have so we do outsource certain specific services that are necessary for FAPE that that are that are designated as related services under under the code of federal regulations. But this type of counseling service now I'm looking for Miss Urgle um and I don't see her and that
010was probably by design but but we shouldn't I I can't tell you definitively that in our 7,000 IEPs there's not some place where we put something in there. I can tell you there shouldn't be. So if you're asking me, I think you are. Am I worried that we're violating 504 or IDEIDA by not making Centerstone available? I'm not. Now, that's not to say that we wouldn't be making accommodations for someone who might need some kind of counseling. That's a separate issue, but that's not quite what you asked me. >> Mr. Chair, we Mr. Chair, could we move on the previous question, please? Well, still got still got a couple people have Jackie. Am I hearing you? I'll recognize you. Jackie. >> Yes. Yes, please. Point of clarification from I guess on the attorney. Um, so
011just hypothetically, what Jodie has recommended is that we remove it from the agenda and we no longer will discuss it, right? because she wants she suggested that we talk about the uh RFP procedure. So my question is if it's removed from the G if it's voted out and if it goes down party lines I'm pretty sure that it will be u if it's voted out once the RFP if it's even if that's even voted for if that's approved then we will be able to bring center stone back as if they apply for the RFP. Is that correct? Are they going to have to go back through the procedure of applying for the RFP? I understand that we we don't want we of course we don't want children to be without services right now, but I'm
012just trying to get some clarification and understanding for myself. >> So So Miss Thomas, uh, Miss Schaper has has moved to amend the motion to approve the agenda to to take centerstone off the agenda for this evening. Now, if the board approves the letting out of the RFP for mental health services, then the administration would screen all applicants um for for qualified applicants and then make a recommendation to the board. At that point in time, we would have a memoranda of understanding with anyone who would be uh qualified to provide services in our schools. So, Center Stone, I think I have read in the press, intends to apply on to that list. Um, and it and if they get through the screening process, then they could be recommended as one of one of of multiple
013providers. >> Mr. Chair, can we move on the previous question, please? >> Let let me let me let me give a couple of more opportunities and then then we'll go. Larry Gron. >> Um, Mr. Chair, I would like to to state that we've had lots and lots of feedback and lots of discussion on this issue and we've already voted it down twice. Uh to see this coming back again is disappointing. It it looks like theatrics and I'm going to support pulling this at this time. >> Okay, Mr. King. >> Uh Mr. Bennett, I was just curious. So the RFP, theou is that a will that be a blanketou that so 10 different companies apply and qualify and so those 10 companies fall under the sameou. >> Well well ultimately it's going to be the pleasure
014of the board. So the administration is going to screen applicants for qualifications and we're we're now getting well down on the agenda. Um but but maybe we can go ahead and deal with this now rather than later. Um, but so the the administration's going to screen qualified applicants and make recommendations. O Ultimately, it's the pleasure of the board to decide what that structure looks like. >> Okay. All right. I just want to >> So, you know, you could conceivably approve everyone who's qualified to provide services countywide. You could limit it to um to a handful of people who can serve your entire county. the theou envision well I'm sorry the RFP envisions that that providers put forth what they are able to do uh sort of a menu and then at the end of the
015day it's going to be up to the the board to decide how it wants to handle this >> and then the parents would have the choice of who on that list they would pick >> well again that's that ultimately it's up to the board conceivably the board could decide that there's one qualified applicant who can serve the entire entire county. That's that would be a legitimate decision. Um, this board could also decide that everyone who has applied and who meets certain threshold criteria is qualified. And so maybe this board decides that there are 10 qualified providers and that parents get to pick from amongst the 10. Uh, we don't know yet. >> Okay, >> that's the purpose of an RFP is to see what is out there. I think um that was one of the
016things that was that this board discussed a couple of months ago is that because they had you all had not seen proposals, you weren't really sure what the market looked like and what was available. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. The question's been called for. So to be clear, what we're voting on is to pull item 9A and it's been duly seconded. That's what we're voting on. A yay means we pull it. A nay means it stays on. Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Black, >> no. >> Mr. Connor, >> no. >> Mr. Dy, >> yes. >> Mr. Grone, >> yes. >> Mrs. Haden? >> Yes. >> Ms. Jones? >> No. >> Mr. Keane? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Slater? >> Yes. >> Miss Thomas? No. >> Chairman Smith. >> Yes.
017>> Motion to amend. Carried. >> The motion carries. Okay. Now we go back to our original motion that was duly seconded which is to >> for children as the address >> is to approve the agenda. There's a motion and duly seconded. >> Good job. So Larry, your light is on. Did you have a question or comment here? >> I need to turn that off. >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Black. >> No. >> Mr. Connor? >> No. >> Mr. Dy? >> Yes. >> Mr. Grown? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Haden? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jones? >> No. >> Mr. Keane? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Slater? >> Yes. Miss Thomas. >> Yes. >> Chairman Smith. >> Yes. Okay. Dr. Sander, Dr. Starns, I understand you you took all your kids out
018to eat and they had a great time. >> I did. >> Everybody's full. >> Uh oh. Yeah. They had ribs. >> Oh my goodness. >> Chicken tenders. So, they are they are fully fed. >> So, come on. So, I have the pleasure of um having a little help this evening from some of our fifth grade students. So, we have been celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month at Clifton Hills. And so, they have also been reading Espironza Rising in their reading class. And so, they have um just some connections to make um for you all. Please stand for the pledge. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liy and justice for all. You may be seated. >> Exemplers of
019excellence. No, no. Yeah, you're you're not finished yet. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Buenardes. Good evening, memories of school board, Dr. Robertson and guest. My name is Liliana Puck Vasquez and I am proud to be a fifth grader student at Clifton Hills Elementary. >> My name is Axel Per Garcia. We're honored to represent our school as we celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month. And my and my name is Veronica Rodriguez. We are excited to share with you about Hispanic Heritage Month where we recognize the many contributions, cultures, and and stories of Hispanic and Latino Americans. >> At Clifton Hills, we celebrate every cultures that makes our school special. During Hispanic Heritage Month, we also learned about our authors and leaders who inspired us, including Pam Manus Munoz, Wright, the author of Espanza Rising. In our
020reading class, Esparansa Rising reminds us that when we support each other, hope always rises. In Esparansa Rising, a girl named Esparansa must start over after losing almost everything. She learns the power of family, friendship, and community. We would like to share a short passage that shows how pe how hope can rise again when people care for a and for and lift one another. Abolita took Espiransa's hand and hers and said, "We are like the phoenix rising again with new life ahead of us." Espiransa felt a worm spread through her chest. Maybe Aolita was right. Maybe they could begin again stronger together. This story helps us see that even when life changes, we can rise again. It reminded us that hope grows when we help and believe in each other >> and that community gives us
021strength just like Espironza's family and friends. Hispanic heritage must remember us that our differences makes us beautiful and that just like Espiransita, we all have the power to rise, to dream, to work hard, and to bring hope to our community. [Music] [Applause] Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Clifton Hills, >> Dr. Stars, Clifton Hills Elementary. Thank you. Zemplers of excellence, >> women. Uh >> if we if we could right now, uh could we have a moment of silence for We lost a teacher at Harrison Bay Future Ready Center yesterday. Uh and if we could, we're going to have a moment of silence. Her name was Macy Quinn, and she was first year at Harrison Bay. Uh so if if we could have a moment of silence. >> Thank you. >> No exemplers of excellence.
022Dr. Robertson, >> not this month. >> Okay. I think we have one board member with the disclaimer. I declare that I have a relative who works for the school system and that the board's vote on budget policies, etc. may have an effect on my relatives employment. Even so, I hereby certify that I will cast my vote in the best interest of the school system. Okay, takes us down to the consent agenda. Need a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. And >> motion and a second for the consent agenda. Uh, no lights. So, roll call. >> Mrs. Black, >> yes. >> Mr. Connor, >> yes. >> Mr. Dy, >> yes. >> Mr. Grown, >> yes. >> Mrs. Haden? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jones? >> Yes. >> Mr. Keane? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer?
023>> Yes. >> Mr. Slater? >> Yes. >> Miss Thomas? >> Yes. >> Chairman Smith? >> Yes. >> Texas Town Administrative Business Matters. Dr. Brown. Thank >> Thank you, Chairman Smith. In front of you, I have presented to the board um board polic, excuse me, job descriptions updates um to be in alignment with policy 5.103 and 5.101. Uh this is just following our our process of updating the board on one a request for new job classes that doesn't exist in our database, but also some updated job descriptions. So, I wanted to be very transparent. So, what I've provided, I know it's a lot of material, is is two things for each job uh description. One, the current job description that's already been approved by the board, which is a current position. And then I've also um
024included the updated job description um that I'm asking the board to approve uh today. I do wanted to mention that I am not asking for any new positions. All these are current positions um that's been updated. Part of this has been with our ever evergreen consultant. Every three years, uh, job descriptions should be updated and adjusted. It's important to make sure that our employees know exactly what we expect out of them. And so, I've given the descriptions for you, um, asking for approval for these seven um, updated job descriptions and job classes. >> So, I need a mu just second, Jackie, and I'll come right right to you. I need a request. I need a a motion to approve requests for new and updated job descriptions. >> Motion to approve. >> We're we're going we're
025going we're going to discuss. Just Just a second. Jackie, let me get it on the floor here. So, I got a motion. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Now, discussion. Now, Miss Jackie, go ahead. >> So, I don't have what what I do have and I would really like to feedback uh because I have made a secret I have concerns about job changing titles changing what does that look like for salaries so I would very much like to leave and I I don't know how I do it because I don't have it here it wasn't in my in my packet what Dr. Brown is talking about, but I very much um would like to say that cuz I don't even know what the job description has that's changed in the title that
026have changed. >> Oh, >> Jackie, it's in the link. >> Okay. I don't I couldn't pull my link because I couldn't get into my thing earlier, but in the packet that I picked up from the board. Okay. >> So, I'm sorry. Yeah. So I don't I don't have but can you tell me what those jobs how many was was it one two or three >> Okay go go go go ahead Dr. Brandt. >> Yes ma'am. Uh real briefly here um we have a current position that's a budget analyst and uh we are changing that and updating that position to a position control analyst. Uh we have one that's a budget specialist. We've changing that to a position control manager. Um, and then we have a information technology generous that's changing from a help desk technician.
027Uh, we have a purchasing agent assistant that's changing to a procurement specialist. We have just the updated job description for our risk management technician. Uh we have uh from the school side and this is given from the state that we needed to update our educational di diagnition um job description and then we also have a new job um class the title N coordinator. Currently we are we do have a title N coordinator but this is a updated job class. Uh a position is not associated with it but it's just allowing the board to see uh a job description. So those are seven positions. Let me change that. seven job um job descriptions, no new positions. >> So even though they're not new, would those changes possibly increase in salary? >> Uh that's a great question,
028ma'am. So all of our job descriptions, our job classes are when Mary Ellen is doing the budget that was approved for FY26, all of our job classes are in a category uh I would say as a budget salary groups. And so all those are budgeted and I give you an example. Uh so if a supervisor or a manager position, it's going to be budgeted at 77,000. There's no way for me to say exactly what that uh that individual is going to make without looking at their resume. And so that's why I've given you the minimum salary for those jobs. So for example, uh a position control analyst, that job class, it's going to be budgeted at 759, but the minimum salary would be $50,000 from 154. without looking at the the the resume, the applicant,
029um there's no way for me to tell you exactly what that uh that cost will be, but that position itself again is budgeted at 759 that's been approved by the budget or FY26 budget. >> That's right. >> So, that's the max. Okay, >> Miss Hen. >> Yeah, I don't know if this is the right time, but I know we had requested a list of all of the BIS positions and >> and it would I'd like to see what level each of those positions are and >> Yes. Well, I believe that's been provided the list of all the positions um a few weeks ago. Um, >> but I would say that >> you mean the September 9th document that has but but that's Yeah, that's all central office. So there we'd like uh job descriptions for
030all this. >> Yes, ma'am. And so the um and I'll be glad to see in the link. Um so for example, if you look at these job uh if you look at our org chart um currently, you're going to see budget analysts. And what I'm asking is for that job to become a position control analyst. So if you go to our database, you're not going to see position control analyst because I'm awaiting your approval. Uh and then that would change from budget analyst to position control analyst. But um >> and I don't see any problem with the recommendations you've made to change any of those. But um >> so so are you asking for updated? >> Well, yeah. I mean I don't know. >> I got Okay. >> All right. So the motion's on the
031floor to approve uh this request and been duly seconded. So, a yes is we approve. A no is we don't approve. So, roll call. >> Mrs. Black, >> yes. >> Mr. Connor, >> yes. >> Mr. Dy, >> yes. >> Mr. Grone, >> yes. >> Mrs. Haden? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jones? >> Yes. >> Mr. Keane? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Slater? >> Yes. >> Miss Thomas? >> No. >> Chairman Smith? >> Yes. >> The motion carries. Pekka, Special Questions Committee. Yes sir. What you have in front of you is I believe Miss uh Omar Kel stated earlier that we are in the last year forou that's our collaborative conferencing with HCA and so by the state regulation we have to have an organization if they have 15% of the voting members
032um to request the vote. Uh and that vote will allow us to determine whether or not we get over to 50% majority uh to go into collaborative conferencing. So this is just following the state guidelines recognizing that they have met that threshold and so now we'll ask for you to u approve the the members four from the HCS and then four from HCA. >> Okay. I need a motion to approve Pekka special questions committee. Need a motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> Got a motion and a second. Any questions, comments? Ben, your lights on. Ben Doy. >> Yeah. Thank you chairman. Dr. Brown. U just explain to to me rest of the board members of the public what's so what's the next step after this is approved. >> Yes sir. So the
033next step we will convene um if those committee members are approved we'll convene together and we'll go through the process of first those questions already um we don't we don't we don't make up the question. They're given to us by the state. Uh so we'll decide exactly how who's going to give the vote, how we're going to go about making sure that uh all of our staff members receive the opportunity to vote in the poll and that typically happens um after January the 1st and then at that point we'll get the data and if the vote is a majority 51% and then by state law then we'll have to go into a collaborative conferencing. Um if not then the board can decide whether or not we want to conference or not. Is this a four
034year, two year, three year? >> That's a great question. I think it's three years. Yes. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you, Dr. Brown. >> Yes, sir. >> Quick correction to Senator Marquez. December 1st, uh, not January 1st. >> December 1st to make sure this vote occurs. Miss Markell, January the 1st for the vote. >> Okay. Got some dissension already. >> Say again. No, we need to we need this we need the board we need to have this in place um by December the 1st. But again, we're trying to make sure we have ample time to be in compliance. >> Okay. Motion to approve has been made and seconded. A yes means we approve and a no means you do not. So, roll call, please. >> Mrs. Black, >> yes. >> Mr. Connor, >> yes. >>
035Mr. Dy, >> yes. >> Mr. Grone, >> yes. >> Mrs. Haden? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Mrs. Jones, >> yes. >> Mr. King, >> yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer, >> yes. >> Mr. Slater, >> yes. >> Miss Thomas, >> yes. >> Chairman Smith, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> I need a motion to approve the Briner Delwood architect contract. Motion to approve. >> Got a motion. >> Second. >> Got a motion approve and second. And I got a lot. Miss Jones. Yeah, I was trying to move to approve for the last build. I was >> hold my motion to approve. >> Okay, we good. We're good. We can flex it. It's okay, but I do have a question. Um, looking at the renovations, this is the first time I've seen this final draft when we got this
036this time. >> This is a draft of the contract, so the rendering is is conceptual. >> So, it's that might not be the case. Okay. Because this is my that was my question. Um, I saw on the shared spaces it talked about all the athletic spaces, those spa, the cafeteria, the gym, those things. But I had a question about the football field and track, the baseball field. Um, I know they're already there, but will any work have they discussed any work being done to update those spaces? Because I know the baseball field and then of course the tracking. >> Yes, ma'am. >> That's all. Okay. >> Okay. And I think the baseball field already got their light. They haven't put them up yet, but they've got their lights. >> We've got some money set aside
037that depending on where it ends up, there might have to be some movement. >> Okay. No more lights. Roll call. >> Mrs. Black. >> Yes. >> Mr. Connor? >> Yes. >> Mr. Doy? >> Yes. >> Mr. Gro? >> Absolutely. Yes. Well needed for a long time. >> Mrs. Hen. Yes. Mrs. Jones. >> Uh, Corus. Yes. >> Mr. Keane. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Slater. >> Yes. >> Miss Thomas? >> Yes. >> Chairman Smith? >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Any idea when that work begins? >> No, sir. >> I mean, it's a process. I I would I wouldn't put a date on it. I mean, I we want them to move quickly, but we also want them to do it well. Um, but I mean, the design process is We're just
038getting started. >> Yeah. So, I mean, you're probably design process average six months or so, >> moving third hopefully this summer. >> Okay. Um, I need a motion to approve the RFP review committee. >> So, move. >> Got a motion. Need a second. >> Second. >> Been seconded. Discussion. >> Yes. I I have a question I see on there leadership administrators that are there that that's on that particular committee. I would like to ask the question if possibly I don't know if it can occur not one of our student board members can u be on that committee uh have to have a voice for a student as as well as learn the new process the student learns. I know you got student belong or learn or whatever you have checked on there but it also
039could be every student learn. So I was just want to ask that question Dr. Brown if that if that's a possibility that they could I know they may not have a voice but it could be a very good learning process for them uh as far as how things work. >> I think that's an excellent suggestion Dr. We absolutely can. Just to be clear, we're bringing this uh technically doesn't have to be approved by the board, but we're just trying to make sure everybody is aware where we are in the process because this is a quick turnaround. Um we put seven people on the committee, tried to take it from multiple different departments, but if it's the will of the board u to put, you know, one or both of our student board members that I
040mean, we can absolutely do that. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you, Jackie. Ben Aldry. >> Thank you, chairman. Um, as a suggestion, I think it would be nice to also see some administrators involved as well. Um, Lindseay Hagen, principal of Redbank Elementary, great candidate. Obviously, they had some they were involved with that as well. Um, just a thought, >> we can um again just the short turnaround. Reason we didn't include a principal or a teacher, it's just trying to pull them out. But if I mean if we want to go that I would say if we're if we're going two students if we did a principal and a teacher let's keep it at two. So that's 11 because you're going to have to review and come to conclusion. But this is opportunity
041for the board to say you want to add two two students want to add a teacher and a principal this is the moment to do it. >> Okay. Miss Jones, >> how would you select the principal and the teacher? Because I mean we all could have a principal and a teacher that we want to go in there. You can't put >> 22. >> We We could I mean we could do it ask HCPA to to do it to to select one. I mean I'm not Miss Hagen has been an advocate in this and uh you know is a good good principal that would be uh really positive ad to the committee. >> We're open to suggestions though. We just take Miss Hagen, put her down and then find a teacher or >> she's a principal
042at Redbank Elementary. He's been five years. >> I don't know her. >> So other other best option I would recommend to the board just going to take that is to to go to HCPA uh principal association and ask them to nominate a a representative. Okay. Okay. But but we want we want to be able to approve this committee tonight so we can move forward. Right. Right. >> What what I would ask is >> Go ahead, M. Go ahead, Miss J. >> Because they're right there tonight. >> Okay. >> Two. I can't see them, but I'm just >> They're here. >> Both of them are here. You could approve you could approve >> the HCPA representative tonight and you could even approve like this Markel sitting right there. I could put her on the spot. We
043could say approve an HCA >> representative. >> Teacher representative. >> You play her to be named later. >> Yes. >> I I just want to make sure we get this committee approved tonight so they can start moving forward with the RFP review. Okay. Uh, Miss Shay, >> as a point of order, do we even need to vote on this? Is it more just discussion? >> We we do not have to vote on this. And I talked to Mr. Bennett. He asked that exact question. We We don't have to vote on it. I I'm trying to just make sure procedurally and from a transparency standpoint that everyone is on the same page about who's on the committee. If you guys want to make a motion to put this on board matters and then tell us go
044with two student representative a principal representative you don't have to vote on it and we can move forward with that. Steve Slater. Mitch Slater. >> Yeah, I would um highly suggest these two be involved. Star and Ryan. I I think that would be awesome for both of them. >> Might mean you get out of class. >> Get out of class. >> So, we don't Yeah, it it's listed on here as a voting item. >> I I mean, we're asking for you to vote on I'm just answering Miss Schaefer's question that she is correct. You you do not have to. Uh it's not required and I mean I'll Mr. Bennett wants to add anything to it. We're just doing it from a transparency standpoint. Um and to honestly to let the public know where we're heading
045with it. >> Okay. So I think what I'm hearing is we we want to add our two students and you're going to go to the principal association to get a principal and then you're going going to go to Miss Omar to get a teacher. >> Yes. So we would need an amendment to do that and then a second and a >> okay >> but again >> where it is right now we do because it's on agenda >> at present your committee consists of those who are listed on the agenda item and we've got a motion and a second. So, it's the pleasure of the board if if whoever um made the motion wants to withdraw the motion and whoever wants to make the made the second wants to withdraw that. It goes back to the
046administration and we're just following an ordinary purchasing policy. Alternatively, you can vote down the motion. Uh or you can amend the motion. It's the pleasure of the board. >> Okay. >> But is it the >> Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Miss John. >> I was waiting to be called. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. Go ahead. Is it the consensus of the board to add the teacher and the principal or is I mean it's not we clearly it's a consensus of the board to add the students but is it the consensus of the board to add the student and the I mean sorry the teacher and the principal because if it's not we shouldn't be asking them to do something that's not in the consensus of the board. >> Okay. Well, but let me ask
047as uh Robert's rules allows, let all of you that are in favor of of adding a principal and teacher, let me hear you say I >> I >> opposed. There are none. So, >> there you go. >> And the students, do you need There you go. >> So, order. All right. So, so >> so the the minutes will reflect that that that the motion has been amended to add those two >> students >> and the two right and the two students. >> But now we need to but now we need to mo to vote on the main motion. >> Okay. >> Because we agreed to >> Okay. Well, it sounds like I'm I'm going to ask for that same thing for the sake of time. Uh all those in favor of approving uh this RFP
048review committee I >> I those opposed >> there are none. Okay. >> Okay. Here we are. Thank you. >> Okay. That takes us down to board matters. Uh committees. Uh the only committee update I'm aware of right now. We do have a finance committee meeting scheduled. Uh when is that? Uh on the 23rd. Is that correct? >> That's correct, Chairman. Uh we've got a very exciting finance committee meeting on the 23rd at 5:30 5:30 p.m. >> Put your hair on fire. >> I hope everybody can be there. This might be the best one we've had so far. So, >> how much time will that take, do you think? >> Uh we will be efficient. We will optimize the time as best we can. I would hope to be done in within an hour. >> Okay.
049Thank you. >> Okay. Uh as as is uh customary and and the duty of the of the chair, I have appointed uh chairman for our upcoming for this year. Uh finance Ben Doy, transportation, Ben Connor, facilities, Gary King, policy, Feliz Hayden, school safety, Jody Schaeer, athletics, Steve Slater, and rules, which is a new committee. I was uh I was at TSBA Tuesday, I think it was, right, Shirley? Yep. >> Uh at a at a training and one of the things that came up was encouraging boards from time to time to just look at your rules and look at how you're handling meetings and so I I as your chair added that committee. Um I've been here this is my 10th year now I think almost 10. Yeah, it is my 10th year and I don't
050know that we've ever done that. And that committee would be charged with just taking a deep dive into how we run meetings, how we do how we run our policy meetings and we may not want to change anything. U but but it's just a u I thought as a chair that it might be a good time to look at that and I've uh I've asked Carissa Jones to chair that committee. Got some lights. You're on. >> Um, Mr. Chair, could uh could it be explained to me the difference between policy and rules? Are they not the same? If if we're talking about the rules, how the board operates, the rules, how the school district operates, isn't that already outlined in our district policy manual? So, why do we to me this seems like duplication? >>
051Okay. >> So, if someone could explain what's the difference between rules and policy, I'd be happy to hear about it. >> Point well taken. And I I just something your chairman thought might be a good idea to take a look at. Point well taken. I'll ask for help. If anybody wants to to help me clarify policies, >> Jackie, you kind of broke up. Can you repeat what you just said, please? I said policies are generally guidelines guidelines but it's a good question. It's a good question. Um especially since we pay an attorney to clarify even order for us. >> Okay. >> Did you did you hear me? I'm sorry. >> We got Yeah, we did. We got you. We got you. >> Okay. Steve Slater. Yeah, thanks Joe. Um, I think everything is covered under
052our policy booklet already. Plus, we do we follow the Robert's rules of order. So, I I don't see any need for this. Just my opinion. >> Okay, >> Larry, you did you light back up again or >> again? This to me this just appears like duplication. I mean, a rule is policy. Policy is the guideline. We follow the policy and which is some of it is totally directed to us by the state board of education and the state legislature. So we're required to follow those rules that are outlined plus the policy that this board has developed for itself. So I don't I just don't see the need for another committee at when we're talking about really the same thing. Okay. Well, again, I'm I as your chair, it's your I can certainly uh withdraw appointing
053a new new committee if if the board doesn't >> if the board doesn't feel like it's necessary. Go ahead. Go ahead, Miss Shay. I just want to clarify for Larry the difference. Politics are broad guiding statement that defines the overarching objective and direction of an organization or system while rules are specific detailed instruction outlining what must and must not be done to comply with those policies. Policies often offer a framework for decision making allowing for some discretion whereas rules are prescriptive leaving no room for interpretation and requiring strict adhes to avoid penalties that's the difference so there is a difference I I knew the policies were guided but that's more telling you detail so there is a difference uh but policies generally guide these are restricted No, no. You know, no way. >> Okay. Reply.
054>> Go ahead. >> Most of our rules are tied directly to state legislature and state school board state school board policy. Uh we're not really allowed to deviate very much from those policies that are put forth. Whether you call them policies or call them rules, you know, we take an oath to uphold the Constitution of both the United States and the state of Tennessee and the laws that are presented by our United States Congress and the Legislature of Tennessee. So, we're doing the same thing. We just again we're just duplicating a process which we already have in place and just changing the name. >> Thank you Mr. Rome Beny Scott. I mean can we take this to a vote? >> Well I mean strictly speaking yes. Let me let me floss this out and and
055explain the understanding what I what what I heard from the chair and from a couple of other people. So policies are basically the local ordinances pursuant to which this board directs this administration to operate the school system. Those are what policies are. Your policies also govern how this board operates within itself specifically if you look at for example the agenda rules um appearances for the for the board. Well really it has more to do with the way you govern your meetings. And so, as I understood, somebody a minute ago said Robert's rules versus these rules. You can adopt uh Robert's rules. You have you can adopt some other form of rules, but presumably they're going to look a little bit like Robert's rules. You all have um already certain things that are unique to school
056boards under state law. And so as I understood the proposal here, the rules committee was basically to try to figure out how you harmonize the two and maybe to do something a little bit different. Um I think it's it's it's fair to say that there would be some overlap necessarily with your with the policy committee, but it's sort of like a unique section of policies as I understand it. To Mr. Dard's question, can can you vote on this? Yes, you can. The chair appoints committees. The chair can also recommend uh a committee. But if it's the pleasure of of the board not to have a committee, I mean, fundamentally, if you think about it, a committee can't do anything. It's it's it's six of you who who decide to do something. So, if it's the
057pleasure of the board not to have a rules committee, then you don't have a rules committee. >> What it boils down to, but the chairman otherwise gets to say, "We need a rules committee." And here's the chairman. Michelle, >> our policy does adopt Robert's rules and we have Miss Mary who is our expert on Robert's rules. >> So I I do feel like it could be duplicative to have this extra committee. >> Call the question. >> Miss Jones. >> So I'm going to say this because I'm getting irritated. I don't really care to chair a committee. I just thought it'd be interesting because when the chairman shared the room's committee and the option of exploring, like Scott said, I did have an interest in it. It's very ironic to me that there was not all
058this discussion in the public text message that we have when Mrs. Schaefer was named as the chair. >> Question. >> Point of order. Miss >> Schaefer recognized. >> Point of order. We're not supposed to call out individual board members according to Robert's rules. Girl, >> the question. >> We don't actually have a motion. >> There's not a motion. Whatever. >> Okay. Well, as as a chair, I'm going to withdraw the rules committee >> and I will ask that the policy committee discuss the necessity if if a comm. >> Okay. Okay. Okay, takes us down to uh uh information uh the events and announcements. Fall break next week. I know everybody's looking forward to uh professional development on Monday. So after fall break, they'll have an extra day there. Finance committee, we've already mentioned uh on
059the 23rd of October. Uh Thursday the 20th is our next work session and uh of course our regular meeting at that same day at 6 o'clock. Can you can you one announce other committees? >> Mr. Chair, could I make one announcement? >> You may. You may. >> Uh the Saudi Daisy High School marching band has their invitational on Saturday, October 25th. And if you've not seen these bands, you'll be amazed. I'm just saying they're fantastic. Okay. Okay. We stand in German. Hey, Allison. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music]