001student discipline. Um, student discipline. So, um, this is has to be put on there. So, I sent as as the board deals mostly with policy, I sent you policy on the code of conduct which details just about misbehaviors and discipline procedures within the school. We have different levels of behaviors. Not, you know, we can't include everything that happens, but basically there's level one types of behaviors um and disciplinary options that go with that. Level two, three, and four um as it progresses up. And then in here, I I gave you the suspension policy. I gave you the um alternative ed policy um that we provide a alternative program for students that are remanded out of school. I gave you the zero tolerance policy and I gave you the u referral forms. I picked a elementary
002school, middle school, and a high school referral form that is in the those are under items for information in your packet. Um that are in there. Anything from the board on that? Yes, sir. Quick question. Paragraph one of policy 6319 alternative education. Uh the board shall operate an alternative school andor program for students in grades 7 through 12 who has been suspended or expelled from regular school program. Uh what is used in place of the alternative school for grades 1 through six. So this says that the board this is a um that the board shall operate. So 6 through 12. So that doesn't mean that we do not put uh we we put sixth graders in the alternative school. We have put fifth graders in the alternative school. Um I'm not aware of us going
003under fifth. Uh Carrie one. Well, not recently. We have before, but it's been a while before we That's not common practice under fifth grade. Um we we have also the behavior classroom that's located at Pedmont for uh students that go through uh RTI 2B process that behavior is not heard through that process and students are entered into that classroom. Um you know we try not to exceed five students in that classroom at a given time. If we have a lot of major behaviors, you know, we want to keep that at two or three students for that. But those are options there. Second, last question. Um, same policy. Um, sentence number 23 through 25 additional offenses. Any new disciplinary offense committed during a student's original suspension or expulsion period shall be treated as a new and
004separate offense. These offenses shall not constitute an extension of the original suspension or expulsion. And I guess my question is for additional offenses, um, is there any additional consequences for bad behavior? So, yes, there is. Um, we've had I mean, we've had students that have been removed from the alternative school program. They do not earn days. So if a student has to get 45 days, then they're at the alternative school for a day and they earn no points. So it means that their time is extended. Um if they bring something into, you know, uh some type of behavior, there's suspensions issued. So there's discipline issued at the alternative school also. So where it says these are things that shall not constitute suspension of the original suspension or expulsion. In fact, they do because they have
005to stay in alternative school longer because they don't earn days. Well, they earned days. That's a conse that's a consequence of that behavior that day. Okay. U so once once we issue a consequence, I hate to make an analogy to people go to jail and commit crimes that extend their sentence. Right? So I they don't go back on that sentence and and that sentence is done. Right. So a child who is in the alternative school that we don't go back on a zero tolerance and started all over. Yeah. Started all over. Anything of that nature extend what already is. So it's handled as a different offense and it's handled separately. than what they're there for. So we don't tack on things. So they already if they get remanded to the alternative school and have to
006earn 45 days, that's already they have to earn that. So if they don't behave, don't follow the rules. They're not earning those days. So that behavior cost them more time. Okay? Um it that doesn't extend on their 45day period. Now, if a student's there for whatever reason and they bring drugs into the facility or they have a fight, assault someone, then there's other consequences issued on that behavior. Thank you. Um me and you were talking about this um was it state law? Was there a polic a child after one year. Am I correct? I may be getting this wrong. After one year, maybe it's the fact that so the greatest extent that a child can be expelled from school is one calendar year. So if if somebody creates a zero tolerance offense, somebody brings a
007gun to school tomorrow, which is I believe that's April the 29th, then um April the 30th of the following year, they are granted back access to their education. Do we have a a policy on repeat offender? Somebody who continually becomes a problem like after four times put in say the kid just is back at school for one day, next day brings a gun in, he gets thrown back to, you know, return to school and this happens. I mean, not gun every time, but a very serious situation. Is there at some point that we say listen? So we have a we have a it is compulsory attendance. So we must educate students or provide for their education. So, um, let's say that we determine that the best placement for exchild is a facility in Memphis. Then
008we fit the bill to send that student to that facility in Memphis based upon that. That's a long process to go through, but there are responsibility. Yeah, we we have to fund that. So we'll pay that bill to place a child in in a facility. We pay for children now to be in facilities. Currently most of the time now we're paying our TISA money. So money that that we receive for that child then we're paying to that facility as they're the education provider for that child. question. Um, when a student is in the alternative school and they alternative school, does it extend their time? Uh, in multiple ways it would extend their time. So, they're either not earning points that day that add up to get them out of alternative school or they if they
009if they if it's a large enough offense, then that will be dealt with. For instance, you have an assault on the grounds, then that will be dealt with and as a separate offense and time added on as another offense. or you have a student who brings who's there for whatever and then they bring drugs in the facility, we may zero tolerance them and expel them for a calendar year. So there's a lot of things that can happen, but yes, we do. So the alternative school is no different. It's it's not a school, it's a placement, but we issue consequences there just like we do at a school. U so they're either not earning points to earn their way out or they're creating a major offense that gets handled and extends their stay or expels them
010from school. So are students in the alternative school are they all classes and everything? What are they doing? So yeah there we have instructors there licensed certified teachers they are on uh is that called adminum uh it's a program that is uh taking students through the process not every course that we offer at the high school or everyone at the well some CTE courses but not everything we can offer. It's hard to be a welder at the alternative school or um but like for your you know reading writing. Oh yeah, that's all. Yeah, it's through Ed Menum. Um it's all there. Okay. Um uh is there any other counsel there? There is a full-time counselor there. Um so she was I believe she was here at one time at this school and requested to go
011to the alternative school. So she is a our school counselor. So we have a full-time counselor there. Do we see? Oh, yeah. I mean, some kids want to be there. I mean, how similar is the schoolwork between being on the regular campus versus the It's extremely different. Um, you know, the whole makeup of the it's more isolated. So, there's not, you know, there's not a lot of hub discussion time amongst your peers. um you know you're isolated a lot of time to a cubicle area and u and you you have to do your work in this area you're not you know you get help from your teacher from assistant but um I mean you know I it's not a place I would excel at um you know I I like interaction conversation uh peer-to-peer under
01240 and all the discussion about MLU and providing space for this type of service. Is there a space? They they do come to the alternative school. Um so yes there is a space at um each of our schools and being on the so there's not a liaison there all the time but with it being on the campus of Jefferson Elementary Jeff Mill and being in between those they have access there as needed so to come over for services provided So, I'm not really sure how to go with this school discipline versus mental health. We can stay on that a little bit longer. brought up this whole purpose of them intent coming in was to lower the discipline and I've got data that shows that specifically here along with a lot of other school districts has
013actually driven it up to twice the amount that did previous co time 2019 when we first had them in I'm not saying that it's a result of them in here, but I also don't find any coincidence of the correlation of that coming in our incidence and that's only the stuff that's been reported. So with that being said, my next question would be I asked myself, are we relying on mental health therapists to do the disciplining or to deal with the discipline where maybe a principal shouldn't be dealing with or is it not being dealt with the way that it should be? Were these kids taken seriously? When I was growing up, if there was a kid that was disrupted, I guess in the principal's office, you didn't see that kid. and the whole buzz of
014the whole classroom is like voice from the principal office. I don't know if that's the buzz today and I don't know if that's principles. I mean I I don't I don't know just bring up the question why is there a consistent discipline problem arising? Are we maybe not enforcing it enough? Do we need to enforce stiffer policies on discipline? I'm just bringing questions up, but I feel like the weight of it falls on our teachers. Spoke with many teachers that they feel the weight and and I think that that's why they don't like having the focus in there because they said it actually alleviates some of the pressure from and that's that kind of breaks my heart hearing that therapist who's relieving the pressure of a teacher when that should be something more on the
015upper end of our school system. I'm just bringing up this as a question. I don't know, but I also don't see any I don't find it a coincidence that we have this problems has doubled and we're not the only school, you know, all the all the school districts that I've looked at that hasn't has skyrock. So I don't know if that's something that we just need to look at more. That's kind of why I question mental health being in our school and we using them as the crutch for our business. I know that a lot of mental health put all our students business. This kind of falls right back to the house. I mean I'm not just swinging on the principal and just school itself. It starts at home. Sure. I think what we're kind
016of seeing now when I grow up and I was in school and I got in trouble, I got a tail to school. I got a tail to up when I got home. Now parents are not the way that it was back to work. Uh you don't whip little Johnny. You know, parents don't whip their kids nowadays. So yeah, it's going to double in school because we don't have the parents that's stepping up taking care of the kids like they should. So that's why you're saying no. It's not it's not mental ill. A lot of it's not. It's just that's all I can say. Well, I'm not saying that I think that it's the mental health that's creating. So I hope that I just are we using them to do our discipline for us whereas a
017school district we should be doing maybe harder discipline on their kids and we should involve the parents a little more and hold them more accountable you know when they get in trouble should we call the parents say hey this kid you know should we start getting back to having a detention I grew up there was detention I know we can't get into corporal punishment I hate I wish we could. I think kids straight their butts up. But you know, we're about detention. You know, you and I'm not talking about a kid that just talks about teacher tells them talk. You know, they're just those kids that don't like that. But, you know, those real disruptive kids. What about a detention? You go down there, you're going to get detention. You're going to call the parents.
018You're going to say, "Listen, we don't have a detention bus. You're going to have to come and you know we have it on Thursdays. You're going to have to come get the kid. Can I be Can I be honest with you? It ain't going to matter. You can take your kid that center. I'm sure coach probably witness kid can talk to you any old way any old way. You call mom, dad. You say, "Hey, we're going to throw him in whatever." He come back to the same thing to the next day. There's there are issues in the whole country when it comes to and and we're we're being asked I'm school to teach agriculture yet I everything else falls under what I what I do. Coach quit school. He's he taught biology out there at
019school. He had to do a whole lot more just by and it's like what what are we to do? You know, and sometimes I'd like that parenting just can't do that. I'm sure there's been principles that have thought if if I could just if we fix this situation can't do it is whooping somebody going to take care of it. Now my day Mr. Jones at White Pine School. Give me three legs. You never had no more problems out of me. Some of these kids get beat at home and that ain't going ain't going to phase in one bit. I I don't know. It's a I don't know. I I I I got I'm I'm a I'm a religious fell. Sometimes I say it's a hard thing. I mean they hard work got to go on
020and these family stuff, but that's too much for the government that wants you to do all these. That's too much for them to address. That's just that's just me. But there are things you cannot do with with, you know, to discipline students. I mean, if I told you the things that have been said and done to me in my classroom by students and send them to ISS, you know, they call it something different these days, in school suspension, but they come back the next day, same thing. Talk to the parent. They're talking to you worse than the kid does. I I don't know a solution to it, but I'm it's I'm going on 15 years almost. And in those 15 years, it's been a huge change since, you know, I mean, the the the things
021that the way students and parents view things, education, I won't tell you, in this country ain't important to people. You go to other countries, education is your key to a successful life. People don't see that here. It's something that we got to go do. And if you can't change that mentality, you can't change their attitudes toward stuff. I mean, we do all we can, you know, we can let kids go talk to people. We can give them all sorts of outlets. I mean our schools provide kids with a lot of things. I think you know we take kids and girls club after school don't we give kids all forms of apples and you can do everything you can but you made horse water but you can't make a drink. This is this is kind of
022a broad question and it's nothing that you know I I know a lot of what we do discipline wise especially in schools is dictated by what we can and can't do based upon what's dictated by the state. Uh and not that we can affect this but I kind of guess a general question to throw out there and I don't expect an answer. Is there something that we would do disciplinewise in our schools if it was allowed to be done by the state? Are there things that we're not doing in our schools discipline wise that we would do if the state said we could do? Maybe if there are things that we think we should be doing that we're not doing because the state says we can't do it, maybe we need to go to our
023representatives and senators and have them start working on that from that level. I know there's there's, you know, with the books, we could only use certain books that are referred to us by the state. Are there measures that we would utilize in our district if we were allowed to do it by the state? Maybe that's something we need to start thinking about and u address that with our with our state as and state legislators etc. Thank you. I'll gather I know Carrie has worked on some office discipline referral numbers. I'll send those out to the board. Um and u I know that our we have seen a decline in office discipline referrals and then we've seen an incline or increase in zero tolerances this year based on so for drug use has gone up significantly
024around 37 last year we probably will hit this year. Zero tolerance for drug use. A lot of that's THC, vapes, gummies, juices, whatever um that they bring in. So, but I'll send you those office discipline referral numbers. [Music] Um, do we have a detention? Oh, we have in school suspension where students are sent for the day. So, they're removed from their classes, isolated within a room. That's not very fun. What do they do? they do work, whatever assignments were sent for that day that they're missing. So, whatever the teachers send. So, Mr. Rogers may place somebody in in school today, he notifies the teacher that they're serving tomorrow. teachers send work in school suspension. Um person gets that work for that student and they follow the rules in there. They get their work done or
025they could have a another day issued for misbehavior in there. where we've had students go down and act a fool to start in school and they go to the office and kick them out out of school um for a period of time. But we we have I mean if you look through there there's a lot of things that you can do to students um you know some students we've done just about everything on that list and we're not successful. um you know if some things are some students just misbehave um and they failed to conform to school that doesn't mean they won't be successful in life but they're not successful in that school environment. respects. Yeah. Uh so one thing that I always tell all the principles is every every action that we do not
026tolerate from a student needs a consequence. U you know everything doesn't require death penalty or or life in prison but everything requires if you don't it's the same way as whenever I coached whenever a team whenever a player didn't do what my expectation was there was a consequence and it's the same thing in school um and that's why you see a lot of a lot of discipline referrals it's like taking a test whenever a student misses math problem, you don't check it whenever you know it's wrong. Whenever a student misbehaves, we don't oh, it's okay. You know, if you don't like it, then you have to correct it, draw attention to it, or it becomes allowable. So, um there are certain things that we do have to tolerate with having 7,000 students in our district
027from different backgrounds and cultures and whatever, but there are certain things that we cannot tolerate. Disrespect's one of those. Um, you know, if a teacher chooses to tolerate it, that's the first line of that teacher is in charge of that classroom. They're their names on the door for a reason. So, um, if it's if a child comes in out of dress code or it comes in and it's disrespectful to them, then that teacher has to start that discipline process. Same way with a bus driver. So, it could be a classroom write up that could lead to an office referral. Um, it could be one of, you know, some of those level ones at Mari Middle School may lead to classroom writeups. For instance, talking in class, Josh, that's a write up. If you get three
028writeups, it's a discipline referral. So a discipline referral that's whenever that's in your that's whenever you're going to the office. Okay. So um you may have a classroom write up where but an office discipline referral is like those forms I've sent in your packet. uh discipline referral form is whenever it is signed by the teacher administrator and the guardian and you're sent to the office, there's tons of infractions listed. As you get um to middle and high school, there's more infractions listed, but um you see teacher consequences, administrative consequences listed on there. So these are not all inclusive. We may try various things with them but um these are just some things that are utilized. So of our 7,000 students I wouldn't um have a percentage of students. Um so far this year looks like
029we've [Music] had almost 2700 discipline referrals is that right here as of that date I don't know if I mean some of them have zero and some of them have eight 12 10 I you know so some of them are getting more than others 2700 that's a bus referral uh that's sent to the principal so it That's somebody might have three or four bus referrals. They may have been suspended one day, five days, 10 days. Um, you know, based on my background of being in administration dealing with issues, I the majority of our students want to behave. So these 2700 referrals I had one the other day that the girl has been in our system since kindergarten. She's now in 11th grade and we just zero talagled her to the alternative school and that's the
030first record of an offense on her in 11 years of school. So, um I hope that she learns her lesson and doesn't partake in in any type of drug paraphernalia. Again, I I don't know what her case may be, but I know that's her first referral u as far as a disciplinary action. I've got some students, I guarantee you that are in high school, I can think of several. If I pull their record, they'll have more than 50 offenses, maybe even close to a hundred um over the course of their time. It's school is no different from our community. Um you know, we have um people who they may have went 3 miles an hour over the speed limit, but that's the only offense that they've ever create, you know, done in their life. And
031then we have other citizens who have um you know this is their sixth or 11th DUI. Um some people just can't learn a lesson from from a mistake and that's you know our students are part of our community and it's no different than any other citizen in our community. Some citizens just create havoc in our community and some students create havoc within our school system. Uh okay, give me a second. Uh the only advice I give you about right up to this one uh a negative action will bring a negative result. I found out early on I taught first six years in Jefferson County a paddle one time. I saw it not work. Uh oh. I tried to improve my attitudes. I found out over the years the less classroom rules I had, the less
032discipline I had, you know, that I enforced school rules, schoolwide somebody, I just told them to spend it referral. They didn't have a pen. I gave one says good class. I just went right on. That's their loss mine. I broke one boy from that habit test and he he didn't bring his book to class rarely and I made it test but he didn't have a book you want to buy a book don't have it there's things you can do I don't know what what to say continuous continuous continuous continuous ride don't solve the problem with something that doesn't indicate that they have mental mental illness here. I don't know what to do. I just done my thing and lived with it. I kind of talked like a a one room school teacher and come through
033that door. They were mine for 90 minutes and I handled his home. Somehow someway I do something. One boy got a mad one day. I took his chair away from him. I had to stand up for I know more problems out of him ever again. Had a dirt took care of it. You know, you just got to empathize sometimes. And not overkill, but you got to have room, don't get me wrong. I think I think the teachers coach are alluding to this. We're like the first line of I mean if you got one administrator in a school they can't constantly be working with disciplinary issues. So sometimes it's teacher is this worth me going into the system and doing a write up? I got a kid in class that's got 90 plus writeups. I mean,
034that's almost getting in trouble every day. He's trying to set a record. Yeah. I mean, he's probably going to get close to it. But what I I got to like draw the line somewhere like what's serious enough to send this in to the office. You know, what can I take care of? Like said, it's just it's just a hard thing. And I mean, 2,700 that we got here at the dropping a bus. And I guarantee you most of those students are repeat. They got a lot. I'd just like to make a comment. We sit here for two hours all like in 20 minutes or three hours. I'd like to have a list of what we accomplished tonight. police. We talked about Knoxville school. We talked about same questions over and over and over. This is
035disgusting. You can sit here for two hours and this long and not accomplish anything because I can see that it's been accomplished. I think the accomplishment comes in the business school. It talked about everything. I thought we were going to have a business meeting just where I call one last thing on this. I feel like it still needs questions attorneys that need to see that it is on pull that off. So, you can't do that here tonight, but you can do that at the business meeting. Okay. Yeah. We approve the agenda. Okay. All right. Help. Whatever. What was that about? Yeah. I'll try to keep this kind of short, but um I'm kind of confused. you can explain a little bit about the the relationship or whatever it is partnership is I think is what
036it is Cherokee got a mobile unit over in front of restaurant and u you know I'm not really happy with it um provide medical services people from the public just stop by it is on school property and it's 45 miles from a small business called his hands which is a large draw plane to you know small business that uh our community draws. We um we promote small businesses. We don't try to take away from you know I like that they have a mobile unit. I think we have a lot of other schools that they can sit in front of that don't have medical provider comes from. So encourage us to have them move their mobile unit to out in the middle of nowhere doesn't have anything close to elementary you know I stopped to talk
037to them and they want to I asked them what their purpose was they said because in hopes of opening up a uh facility in Jefferson City. I said, "Opening up a facility?" I kind of looked around. I'm right at the corner of 139. Where are you going to open up one here? There's no buildings. They said, "No, down in Jeff City. Why are you in front of high school in restaurant if you're going to be setting up a place in Jeff City and you have a facility in town? So, uh I do have a little concern because they do uh open their doors to uh mental health that off the street they can provide that there and I don't have an issue with the fact that they provide it. have more of an issue that
038public school property we don't know anything playground and I do have a concern for safety of the children I would ask director whoever it is that I'm referring to why it's so I follow forward policy. Um you um that's personally my decision to allow them there. Um it's no different in my opinion than a food truck setting up um you know what's up ballooning rising up um behind anything can cause a disturbance a distraction a problem. Um, so you know at 7:30 in the morning, somebody drives on to the fairgrounds property that I have no idea who it is and they take off in a balloon and ride over um our schools, our students. Um, so I I understand that you disliked my decision. I just didn't have a a reason and policy to deny
039them like you mentioned. U there is a local um I've been there um you know it's two miles probably four miles from my house so I've been there taking my kids there um but um it's up to you know like Mr. As Bennett said, the board has has authority. Um, but whenever we don't allow one agency because it maybe um we feel like impacts, then it kind of hinders my decision of of what to include and what not to include. Um, you know, I I accepted a church in the Jeff Middle School. Um, I know that that takes people from other churches and lowers their um, attendance, offering of other churches, too. So, um, anything that we do can impact. There's pros and cons to every decision I make. You know, the same way whenever
040I close school for snow. Um, people are thankful, people are mad because they various reasons. But, um, you know, that's a decision that that I made based upon some community interest and needs. I know that the owner of that business may not be happy with that. Um just as you know if we allow a coffee shop to set up there or a pastry place the cruise place across the street may not be happy. But as far as a policy that allows me to not let them in. Um, I don't have I didn't have it at that time to deny them space based on what we've done to other entities in the past. In my opinion, I'm not I'm not trying to go against anybody. I know his hands. Erica, I know real well. She has
041no problem with it. She says it's not a big her business about. But I understand what Bob's saying, too. So, I'm just saying she has no problem. All right. Go ahead. I started to stud with her. She's a very lady of faith. She said she just trusted God's going to do her business. That's why she she doesn't have a big concern for that aspect of it. My concern is the fact that as a community and as a school district, we should be supporting our small businesses. Cherokee Hope is not our county. We're promoting another business to come into our county and set up in front of our school. It's going to take away business from our our small community. I think it's on Wednesdays or Shaw Plains Cafe. Even at small business Wednesdays or something
042like that, we try to push for small businesses. Um I I think when you compare it to the balloon company or even at one time you said you know the American regard the blood bank coming in but there those aren't services that are offered you know by his hands blood donations. Nobody right there doing balloon lift offs. You know, I I just I don't like it the fact that it is only 25 miles from when we have a lot of other schools that benefit from that being why I don't know. once that's spotted and why come during the week if they're that intent on trying to help the community which is what when I stop and ask I said they're there to try to help the community but why don't you come on Saturday why
043are you only there from 7:30 to 2:30 during school hours these are answers that I I don't understand why you're going to be in front of the school.5 miles from a small business that it is located generally in a spot that is known to have a hard time and the other business has been there to stay and you know I'm just going to publicly say that his hands and I'm very sorry that as a school district very upset the fact that uh we're okay with putting a major company ation half a mile from them and it's like putting CVS next to downtown Dandridge. Put CVS right at the corner of downtown Dandridge. See what it does at drugstore right there. Promise you a drug store won't last a year. different than trying to put a
044Cherokee right there in front of a school. That's your decision. Well, like I said, I I am acting on the policy of board. So there is not a board policy that in my opinion restricts that decision of allowing that company. And whenever you spoke about safety, we have other I wasn't speaking about I was speaking about safety of other groups coming into school property during school being in place. Just like whenever we have the fair and we have people um residing on school property overnight, some of them maybe not able to pass a background check as I've worked in that corner fair for a long time. So that is possible. I think I'm just more concerned with the safety of the kids being right there that play around and you know, not that everybody that
045has mental health issues is unstable, but we also know that uh you know, people that have gone in and had uh you know, active shooters in the schools have been mentally unstable and we have kids outside of the playground. I just think it becomes a safety issue. Also, I just want to voice my concern with it. Yeah. All right. So, Pekka committee is on here. I passed out an email from the board attorney about this. The first time we had a meeting, he found it odd that there were board, you know, he said there's not many school boards that have members on the Pekka committee. I thought that was some sort of requirement. So, after talking to him, talking with Dr. Arnold, we've decided to pull the school board members off the committee and let
046Dr. Arnold put some more folks on there in our place. And if you notice that last paragraph, um Bennett, Scott Bennett says the board back in the day, he advised your county school board education staff at conferencing committee with administrators. That way the board can take a step back and view the proposedou in its entirety. And I my my thoughts on this is you know we we have this employee I'm going to trust him to come up with his team with theou and present it to us and then we approve it. I think us not being there looking over everybody's shoulder make it a little bit easier on them. So, if at the business meeting, Dr. Arnold's got a a list in here of his complete team. I'd ask that you approve that. That way,
047um they cancel the meeting for tomorrow. So, that way their next meeting, they can all join in and then when they're ready, they'll present us with that. I'm going to assume anybody got anything for school commissioners items for discussion. The only thing I want to say is uh next week is teacher appreciation week. Next week is it's also nurse appreciation week and I know we have nurses in all schools. So we make sure that we observe nurs questions. Yeah, Miss Trent, she supervises them and she's always done a great job. I sent him an email one time and they were thankful. I forgot last year so I could surprise them again this year. So, it's the seventh to be exact. Seven. We just do it one day. Well, we are going to celebrate them all
048week long when we do teachers as well, but the actual day is the seventh. All right. Well, our business meeting 6:30 at the courthouse on Thursday. So, we are journal.