001this meeting to order. We have the audience of patience this evening. All right. Moving on. Items of business. A policy adoption of EFB local and FNC local under policy BF local. >> All right. So, uh, as we talked about before, we've got lots of new laws and so TAS's been working very hard to update policies and so they'll be coming to us one or two or three at a time. Um, and so this is the next round. Um, one of them has to do with cell phones and the other one has to do with library. And so on the cell phones, you can make it as complicated as you want or you made it as simple as you want with the law. Um, but what uh what we've decided to go with is to uh
002just prohibit them from using it during the instructional day. Um, and so our policy reflects that. So not seen or heard, they should store it on their body. uh but not seen or heard during the instructional thing. Uh so some districts were going to hit being on campus altogether some of those things but uh we felt like some of that is going to be very very hard to manage. Um but anyway so and it's really not far from what we have been doing because basically at the junior high last year not seen her during the whole day and then at the high school they not seen a her in the classroom. that you use but both the junior and the high school all the campuses will be uniform any comments on that at all you
003had nailed it perfectly amongst all the principles they were in agreement heard >> then the other policy is our uh library policy that some updates in there you have the option of creating a it called Elsac there. >> Yeah. Um it's a committee um that you can establish right now. There's a lot of heavy lifting in that committee right now or you could do without the committee. There are some additional requirements that have been put in place in the policy. Either way, uh reinforcing what they had already had law with how you acquire the materials and how you use the materials. um some additional things have been put in the law but at this time we opted not to establish that committee. We can always establish it at another time see a need for it
004but we didn't want to put that heavy lift uh right here at the beginning of trying to institute all these others. So those are the two and of course under local that allows us the opportunity to uh to adopt a policy within within one reading. So that's that's why we're making it an item of business right now. Senator agenda questions about EF. >> Yes, just one about the instructional day. These kids were so this I don't see us taking that completely maybe going back and use it going from class to class they're like this and they don't walk in that class at home and then when somebody say put it up then so do we need I I just think that's real hard >> well so I want to make sure that I've articulated Clearly,
005so they will not have it at all. Not at all. Yeah. So, >> not in person. >> No, they don't have it, but they it can't be seen on they can't use it during the passing periods or during lunch. And so, last year, junior high had already done that. Um, where high school did allow them to use it during the passing periods and at lunch. Um, and the rule was once you get into that classroom, not senior head, go ahead and put it up. But both principles uh wanted to do what the junior high was doing last year. So they are not to have it out from beginning of the school day until the bell rings at the end of school. >> You always have somebody that's going to test that >> is is it
006effective? No. You're always going to have kids that are, you know, have violations with it. The difference this year except they did change the statute to where we cannot charge a fine for that because it's not our property where whereas you have library fines can charge that it's property but cell phone they changed it actually was in statute at that time where you may charge a fee for that but they took it out um and so you can't do that anymore. So that's the only thing that look different. >> Yes. >> What is the consequences? >> So the principles have mapped that out with Mr. M. >> Yes. So ma'am the law requires us to have policy in place that outline specific consequences practice progressive discipline throughout the entire district. Uh the principles will start
007with multi-ter process which be a verbal redirective then conference and parent conference then go to outside taking away their free time. So a lunch detention or after detention and by the time we move up to replacement class the law also says extended by as well without >> in that process Mr. do they take the phone off the get it or is that anywhere there yet? It's not there yet. They're still in deliberation with that, but it all signs point to that direction. But at administratively, not teacher. So they when they get to the office, administrator will process >> charge whereas I think maybe last was that policy last year that we charge it >> $15. But yeah, no more fine. >> A motion to approve EFB local. >> All right, we have a motion on
008the table. Is there a second to the motion? >> All right. >> Uh, yes. I think you you said, sir, that could have happened at lunch. >> Yeah, just at lunch. But only lunch. I know that my son had several friends that like they're they're the more and more that kids are on games and stuff all the time, the more that they're like their allowance of other people talking to them and stuff goes down. So, as these kids get older and come into the system where they've been homeschooled or they've been um they a lot of them had, you know, had school at early ages and stuff like that, they did everything from home. They're they get overwhelmed. they get over stimulated and stuff. So like a lot of his friends like were whenever the
009junior high went to no lunch dur no fun during lunch or anything like they just started like hating school. They hated it because they didn't have a break all day. They sat there and they looked at their computers. A lot of his kids a lot of his friends were they didn't like it wasn't that hard like they passed through everything. So they were bored all throughout the class. Then they sat there at lunch. They were bored then. Then they went to the rest of the class. their fourth thing and they just ended up to where every single day they were asking their parents like I don't want to go to school. I hate school. It's I don't ever get to like check in on my friends or whatever because their friends are online. They're not
010necessarily at school, you know? So like they just ended up where they just beg their parents not to go to school because they could never get away from all the stimulus. They could just like kind of zone out and get that break, you know. >> But I know that that also has then you're you have you know, cyber bullying and all that stuff that could happen during lunch. That's going to happen whether they're on the phone or not, you know. So, I I was just wondering why we threw in lunch with it too because I know that he had a bunch of friends that were they as soon as the junior high did that every single day I heard like are they going to lift this? Can you talk to the principal? Can you do
011this? Like every single one of them absolutely hated it. And from that time on they like to not >> well I think I know that that was a topic of conversation Mr. Hi and the principles I think one of the things is what's what's different this year is that it says during the instructional day and so when you talk about the instructional day passing periods and the lunch bill but lunch are all considered part of it. Um it's open to interpretation you know but I think probably junior high probably didn't want to go backwards especially when it's interpretation piece now Mr. Hie >> that's correct inside the meeting sir that actually came out this far in the topic there you know when is instructional when it's not and the junior high was very instrumental in
012discussing the effects that was having inside the classroom some of the students and yes there could be some of that I'm not in touch with my friends but some of the other things where there was a higher engagement inside the classroom less as far as cyber bullying piece. You're correct sir it probably happened but at a reduced rate and so they wanted to have continuity that was across the district. So when they left one campus and went to another it was the same and so that's why they wanted to stay one standardization all the way through with no fun instruction. The good thing is is that policy doesn't tie us to them. That that's a piece that we can change at some other time if we if they feel like if the principal see that
013it's not being successful and they want to change it, they can do that because the policy wouldn't have to change. >> Well, and the difficulty of enforcement, >> right? I mean there's there's a reality of logistics of operation when you're on the campus, you got a few hundred kids in there, you got a few administrators and you're picking up phones left and right. You know, our focus is is more highly engaged classrooms and instructional practices as we always do in this district more time in your classroom instead of having to kids. So if that continues to be a problem that never grows and that data can support change decision happen support that the scenarios where you need to get a message to the kid during the day you know like I pick my kids up
014but I can't get them that day because of work I need them to ride the bus is there going to be opportunity for them to to get that message during the day they can't even pull it out a passing period Yeah. >> What about like sports schedules or after school activities? Oh, they cancelled practice or they cancelled something. >> I need you to pick me up at 3:20, not 4:30, whatever. dismiss. [Music] >> Yeah, also lot of students find places to sleep in the gym on the football field. So the consequences have to be defined a little better where They know it's it's a impact. >> I know that whenever my son was one of the ones in struggle and he would get pissed off because he is a rule follower and if you said
015no phones throughout the whole day, he's not bringing out his phone throughout the whole day. But then eight people at the table are sitting there with their phones and he's like just sitting there eating his sandwich and then he doesn't even have anybody to talk to because everybody else is on their phones. But he's not gonna bring it out. But as you said, no phones, >> right? >> You know, and then he just hates it, you know. >> And I think that is the point several years back, the dress code, the hoodies. If we're going to have a rule or policy or that's something that we need to enforce, the dress code, cell phones, ABC, parking at the high school, and you don't have a parking pass, whatever it may be. If we're going to
016say it and we're going to do it, it has to be enforced because what are we teaching kids? we're teaching the kids, oh, there's a rule right here, but it's okay if we only follow it sometimes. So, that's I think my I don't mind that no cell phones during instructional day. I think it should be that way, but I'm one and I'm very different than most people in some aspects. But I do think that if we're going to have it, it needs to be enforced. So, that's my only question is if they're not wanting to enforce it or if it's too big of a problem, then what is the next step? And that's something that obviously is going to have to be a figure out as we go and hopefully I mean it's a state
017law at this point. Um and so yes it's up for interpretation but the law this the state is telling us you have to do this and then the school district obviously can interpret how they want to interpret it. But I think that's my bigger bigger thing is if we're going to say nothing during instructional day then that means nothing during instructional day. if they're going to break the rule, then they need to they need to feel the consequence. And I think coming on, I mean, just in parenting, you start early, you start teaching them right from wrong, and they're it's going to be easier as the time goes on. So, the beginning of the year may be a disaster, but they have to know that even if they pull it out, there's going to be
018a consequence. And it's not a, oh, I'll let it slide this time. So that's my only thing is just making sure that it's truly enforced to hurt you because there are rule followers that truly do that they're going to live by it. They're going to take it to the grave of that's the thing and there are some that push it. So I think that's the >> I think it's going to be such a nightmare for that. You're have to have phones because they're bringing it out until that phone gets taken away. They're bringing it out. You can't just walk away walk as you're walking by, oh, put your phone up. They're okay, whatever it is. You know, like that's how they were last year whenever they had no phones there at lunch. Nobody got in
019trouble, nobody and the whole cafeteria had it. >> And that's what I was saying. Everyone in PE class have in the locker room. No one dress >> I mean that's going to be and like like Mark was saying, you know, his son's a good He's going to follow the rule, but it's going to be frustrating him to see the other eight kids at the table not follow. >> Well, what exactly it? There's going to be a couple kids that use an example. >> Assume they can't wear a watch at all. A smart watch. >> The law simply states is that no communication devices. So, >> it would be this watches It will be and >> but I don't think there's an option. There's an option of how severe we take it and how much we
020how we interpret it. But it's not an option. The state is saying it's not an option. You have to adopt it. But how we adopt it, I guess, is the question. >> But we're adopting a polic This thing is flexible. So if they need to make changes, we just let them go >> into the lunch period thing. If you can't have it during lunch >> and they start taking them up, some of them get away with it, the next time they won't. And the next and progressive discipline. So yeah, they might pull it out until they get caught. And when they get caught, the next time it's going to be progressed and progressed and progressed and they get caught. >> Well, some of them are going to getaughaugh. No, at least they got enforced. >>
021The four wed [Music] force it. >> Yeah. I was just say that the the enforcing part of it, just like with the dress code, the enforcing part of it, that's where I think the follow through is. And that's really what teaches kids that there are rules and there's right from wrong and all of those things that come along with it. So, Any other questions? >> All right. >> I would suggest leaving out the bunches, but that's just >> Yeah, that's how they said all those schools are. >> Yeah. We don't have to vote on that. >> Yeah. All we're voting on is a policy to say during the instructional day just like the high school last year allowed it passing periods and lunch and now they're saying they want to be uniform from the junior
022high to the high school. So >> the policies instruction >> correct that's the law. Yeah. We can't change the policy. The only thing that can be changed is how instructions I'm not my vote would be to not have lunch. That is my thing. >> I'm with you on that one. I just think having to teach second and secondary kids. It's here. And I I would be one of those parents that will come and say, "But you didn't say that it was this and that." In the book, read what the book says. And if we just leave without being and I understand I read it, but I just think this piece needs to be something else cuz I'm going to use my heart. We sit right here in the board meeting and realize this on our
023expect to have at all during this day. I think it's going to be a hard pill to swallow and tough. Not you and I that's on the move because we make sure our kids do it. We got to make sure they are following the policy. But those outside of us is not going to understand and it doesn't matter how you fix it up the lettuce, cheese, tomatoes, whatever. It does not for every child and what I'm asking is you said flexible. He used the word flex and to me as far as you know that's not what I meant. So what I'm saying is is that the law >> different so understand my >> what I'm saying is is the law is what the policy is saying right how you interpret the law is another thing
024so if we were to say you can do it during passing periods or during the lunch we would be going outside of what the law says. Now, if we wanted to try to interpret that, that's not during instructional time, we would be stepping out a little bit to do that. You know what I'm saying? So, when I say flexible, I mean, this is the law, we have to adopt it. >> Um, but when we if we see that it's a major issue and it's not and it's causing kids to be out of class all the time, it's it's not working. If we decide that we want to say we're interpreting it a different way and go in a different direction and step out a little bit, we can try to do that. >> But no
025matter what we adopt here, it's it is what it is. >> It would just be an interpretation, which makes me a little nervous >> because you're stepping outside of of what it really says. But it's brand new and I guarantee you there's going to be all kinds of interpretations out there and when the dust settles we'll see what the common practices. You know what I mean? >> Not just us. I'm talking >> right and it may have to shift within Bay City. I mean that's part of it is we've got to but the policy that we're adopting tonight we don't have an option to change it. So I think everybody has I feel like everybody has put kind of their input but the policy is the policy and that's what the state is saying. The
026interpretation comes at a different at a different level. Um so we have a motion on the table to adopt policy EFB and FNC local. Does anyone have anything else? All right. All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion passes seven to zero. All right. Moving on to the consent agenda. Is there anything that anybody would like to remove from the consent agenda? If not, is there a motion be made? >> Motion to approve the consent agenda as >> All right, we have a motion on the table. Is there a second? >> All right, we have a first and a second. Anything? Any questions, comments? All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion passes 70 to zero. All right. We will convene into close session under personal matters if necessary may be taken into close session pursuant of Texas government
027code 551.074 to deliberate the appointment employment evaluation reassignment duties discipline resignation or dismissal of a public officer employee including contract recommendations for campus and district level administrators and teachers. We will move into close session 522. Approving approval of hire hiring of contractual person. >> All right. Is there a second to the motion? >> All right. U any questions, comments? >> All in favor? I oppos motion passes to zero. All right, last item of business adjournment. Is there a motion moving? Second. >> All right. Any questions, comments? All right. All in favor? Opposed? Motion passes seven to zero. We will adjourn at 5:30.