001It is meeting this evening. We have invitation chief is going to say our invitation for us. So everyone will please stand and then we'll go straight into the pledge. God our father come to give thanks to your holy righteous name. Lord we thank you for every blessing that you've given us. Thank you, Lord, for just being so good to our school district. We pray tonight for our school board. We pray for our new school board member. We pray for our interim superintendent. And Lord, we pray for every student, every parent, every teacher, every employee of our district. Lord, we thank you for all the successes this year. We pray God as we move forward that you continue to lead, guide, and direct. and we'll be careful to give you all the praise, all the honor
002and all the glory in the most powerful name we know in Jesus name. Amen. United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I aliance to the Texas one. [Music] Thank you. Moving along to the next item of business on our agenda, good news. Do we have any good news to share this evening? Wrote down a few things. Yeah. I attended scholarship night. So just congratulation to all the students that received scholarships and thanks to all of our community partners who donated scholarships and have been doing so for many many years as a JCB class of insert year that come back and give back to the community. So we'd love to see that. I think over $1.3 million was awarded that night. So that
003was pretty neat. Like to thank the Bridges program for feeding us all school year. I think I don't think we get that for summer. So we're going to miss them. I believe before every board meeting and Bridget provides some meals and we really appreciate that. Uh school lunch programs going this summer. I saw that post on Facebook. So I like it. Share as much as you can. Let's get our kids this summer and then the end of the school year so far. Fingers crossed day and a half left. The bumps in the road yet. Got one more full day. So it seems like it's a good time. Anybody have anything else? I get really excited when I see the number of students with the assoc. Thank you. You rock it. And so that's the council.
004I think they're gonna present. Okay. All the counselors have a supporting these kids on track and everything. I can't say enough about [Music] our guys when I look on Facebook and I see not just one department excell and to me that is awesome that thank you for the hard work and dedication to get these kids ready for that next. Yes. Anything else? So, I went to Cherry last week for their field day. As you can imagine, pre-K kinder little babies running around. But it was so much fun. The organization, the way they did it, the teachers did a fantastic job. I know that Coach Smith put a lot into it along with everyone else on your campus. Principal Harle, elementary, I know they all just did all their field days, all of their things in
005the high school and junior high. Y'all have a ton of stuff happening as well. So, thank you for what you're doing in our school district. It does make a difference. Um, and thank you parents for getting your kids to school because there wouldn't they would do all this work and then there's not anyone to enjoy it. So, thank you all for what you're doing. Anything else? All right. Now, one of the favorite parts of our meeting, our celebration of excellence. This evening, we get to honor a lot of different students um centered around our high school because our LSG goals this evening have to do with our high school as well. So, we get to honor quite a few of some amazing things that are happening at our high school. So, I'm going to turn
006it over to Miss. So, we're going to start tonight with our associates degree that Trusty Robinson mentioned. I'm going to introduce our counselor, Miss Shelley Grimes, and our college and career liaison, Lorraine Lopez. And we'll let you guys just kind of ease your way in so it's easy to see y'all. But they have some things, real important highlights to share about each of the students time. Good evening everyone. So this evening we are honored to celebrate a truly exceptional group of 25 high school seniors who represent the very best of academic dedication, leadership, and well-rounded excellence. Students who make up 10% of their graduating class have each earned their associate of arts degrees, completing two years of college while still in high school. Their accomplish accomplishments go far beyond academics. Among them are athletes, musicians,
007performers, student leaders, and students with part-time employment. Many of whom have balanced demanding schedules with unwavering commitments. These are a list of their accolades and it's quite impressive. So bear with me. 18 of these students are early college high school students. Seven are top 10 students and four of those being early college high school students. We have a validictorian among this group and one, 10 students with industry based certifications, five college board recognition program awardies, a state medalist and girls powerlifting, two Tasco academic all-state soccer players, a Texas girls all state soccer player, a Victoria advocate varsity cup athlete, a Dell scholar that comes with a $20,000 scholarship, two Terry scholarship winners, fullright scholarships for both of them, a Texas leadership scholar, also a fullbrite scholarship, a Taurus merit award recipient and a Ta student
008of the year finalist. Among this group, we also have a Chamber of Commerce student of the year and two student of the year finalists, two Bay City Education Improvement Council student members, three youth leadership Madagora County members, and the recipient of the Warden County Junior College Academic Excellence Award, which is given to the graduating student with the highest GPA in their class. So, these students exemplify what it means to be driven, talented, and resilient. It is our privilege to recognize their achievements tonight. to join me in applying this outstanding group of gradu First, Mariana [Applause] Ferrer Brown. Got it. Fletcher. [Applause] Gonzalez, Ramirez, Sanchez. [Applause] Isaiah, Lopez, Williams, Kayen Whitman, Aaron Bun, Caleb, honey, we're going to take a photo with the board members here in just a second. I'm sorry. So, if y'all can
009squeeze in real tight, maybe a couple of rows. Yes. Thank you, Miss Le. Yes. All right, couple photos here. You want to grab one real quick? Congratulations, guys. [Music] Thank you. Congratulations. Congratulations. So, we do have a couple more awards coming from high school. Y'all can go that way. We're gonna uh continue on with an athletic award. So, Coach Pon is up next to present that award. It does. Yeah. All [Music] right. With with me standing here is the 4x1 state qualifying relay team. They ran in Austin three weeks ago. It was first night. So they they ran in Austin did did well. I mean we had some unfortunate accidents at me. Somebody's little brother didn't want to warm up with an qualified so many Andrew. played 12 state as a sophomore having the same
010love their junior year. This year she come back, won the region, also finished second track, broke the school record with a 43 inch stroke 43 3 in throw. Broke the school record by quarter of an inch. [Applause] All right. Congratulations. Thank you all. Thanks. So, also with us tonight is our choir director, Dr. Howard, with a few additional awards. Good evening. I'm here tonight. I have several students who have accomplished the highest level two different events this year. Back in the fall, I want to celebrate the student first. Um, the TMBA, the Texas Music Educators Association has an all state process where you can audition for the rounds of auditions against other students. starts in our region and runs out to our all of South Texas and you audition and then the highest honor is
011to make the all state choir and then you get to perform with the best of the best students around the state of Texas and this year for the first time since I've been here which is almost 17 years we had a student make the all state choir and that was Dawson Hudson [Applause] We did that in the fall. And then in the spring, back in February, we had the UIL Soul and Ensemble Contest. And there are levels of songs that you have to learn and compete on. And this year, we had six students who took a song at the highest level, competed, and were awarded the top rating. And so they all made it to the state level for UIL, which we're actually going this next weekend to go and sing. They'll travel up to
012Austin and sing for judges and compete at that level. So we have Vanessa [Applause] Hernandez Watson. Peterson and [Applause] Marilyn better. That's right. Okay. Congratulations. Lots and lots of amazing things happening within Bay City ISD and obviously what's going on at the high school, but everything that feeds the high school as well. So, a lot of things happening from the top to the bottom and the bottom to the top to be able to have what we had tonight. Um, so thank you everyone who's put time and effort, parents, and they they can't do it by themselves. You're carting them, you're taking them. They don't turn 16 till a good way into their high school career. So there's a lot of support that happens. So thank you to everyone that has a hand in that. Um
013all right, we have no audience with patrons this evening. So we'll move straight into LSG. Hello sir, how are you? I'm doing great. Good. Good to see you. Good to be here and congratulations on all that wonderful success at the high school. And for all of you that work at the high school, all I can say is just wow. I get to visit other school school boards here on a regular basis and I don't I don't see this this kind of success. So congratulations all of you that work here. Hey, can we pause for just a second? Can we take something out of order and do our trustee intake so we can get Sorry about that. We're gonna we're gonna take take this a little out of order, but we'll get right back to LSG
014because there's some great things happen. That minute counts. Got it. All right, we're gonna we're gonna jump from LSG to items of business. Adam A is conduct new trustee intake, including issuance of certificate of election and completion of statement of officers. All right, Kelly is gonna take over from here for us. James and Jen here. So you are going to have to take your oath of office. So y'all can do one at a time and you will just read it and then we'll sign it. So in the name and by the authority of the state of Texas, I do solemnly swear to that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of ISD school board trustees of the state of Texas and will not and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect
015and train the constitution of all of this. Okay. In the name and by the authority of the state of Texas, I James Cardermine do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of ACISD school board trustee of the state of Texas and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this state. So love to God. Yeah. Don't worry, I got that signature. Yes, sir. You might not want to sit. Congratulations. [Music] Thank you. And then as well [Music] Absolutely. Everybody as an exciting moment is an exciting moment. [Music] Good job. [Music] Congratulations. Congratulations. Welcome to the [Music] It would take too long. I'll let you sit. Congratulations. [Laughter] Congratulations, sir. Welcome to the board. Welcome to the board,
016Mr. Eaton. And real quick, Mr. Nunees, I know he's not here, but thank you so much for your service. All right. Hello, sir. Sorry about that. Oh, no, no, very good. And so, it was great to have Kenneth with us training last week at the school board conference to see all of you there. So, appreciate the effort. And so, just looking back at last month's meeting, the 15th of April, we had a meeting was 157 minutes long. 84 of those minutes were spent on student outcome focus items, which is great. That's 53.5% of the meeting. I think right now you're already like really making up some time because all of this celebration of excellence. I mean, I've been sending pictures back to the service center. This is incredible. 25 students getting associates degrees. I mean,
017I know. And I don't think there's another district in region three that's close. Some are much. So they posted something earlier saying we have 75 that have 15 hours. Correct. Yeah. Over 70. That's 30% of our graduating class. [Music] You're stealing all my points. I mean I'm taking back to everybody I know. It's just incredible. and it doesn't happen without leadership support. So, thank you for that. And it's been so nice for me getting to be here and watch this happen over the last four years to see this this point you can say that you realize that you reached the pinnacle. That's why he's retired. You can't can't get any better. I'd like that. So I think you can I I think you got Mary Moer here. I think she would say different. I think
018you can get better. I bet she will. And her team, too. So fantastic. So just looking at the rest of the meeting last night, we had three other items. There were six consent agenda items. Nothing got pulled was 100%. So you had seven trustees, but we had I got that wrong. There was six trustes present. One was absent. So 87.5%. We had one goal that we looked at and it did not look to me like that goal was a progress progress measures and the majority of those were not showing on target according to where our goals were for those. So for this month what we're going to do according to our calendar we're going to look at goal three and that's CCMR college and military readiness. You can tell by just the recognition that I
019really did a great job there. Now, the numbers aren't going to fully reflect all the work because we're not at the end of the year yet, but in August, you'll hear a full report on that. And of course, this will be reflected in your accountability report that you get ready. So, we're going to review CCMR and then we have a kind of a different report that you haven't heard before on pre. So, I think you'll really appreciate needing to see that. So, we're going to have an exposure present CCMR. So just briefly um you will see that our goal for five years a few years ago was that we would get to 95%. And our reported information to the state was 98% last year and the state average is 65%. So we far exceed that
020and are really excited to share that we are on track for our current graduating class to be right about the same. So, Miss Lopez does some hand work. And when I say hand work, she and the other members of our team, teachers and counselors, track every student individually and know which CCMR credits they have, whether it's TSI, SAT, or maybe they've done some ED ready, which is additional component that we can utilize. And she does that so that we keep track of them. But our data tracking system is lacking. And so I could not ask her with as much work as she already does to do the demographic breakdown. The demographic breakdown you're going to see is still what's existing in the computer and what's truly reported. But Miss Lopez keeps us ahead of the
021game and what's going to be reported. There is a little variation and just to speak to that the little variation that you see as you know some of our students um get promoted within the school year because of the credits that they earn. So a kid who might have been a freshman still reclassified as a freshman. now that might be a sophomore and so the few one or two percentage points that you're seeing in the different demographics um do roll over when those credits get confirmed at the mid semester. So different a little variation um one to speak to just some talking points that Tony didn't steal from me. Um, we did have the 25 associates degree, 75 of them, which have 15 or more hours, but total our senior class will be bringing us
022over 3,000 credit hours of dual credit. So, that's really exciting. That semester it was around 1,700 and so we will probably end up with around 34 3500 credit hours. We're really excited also about our industry based certifications. We're still finishing those out this week and we just had a CTE team meeting this afternoon. Um, we've got culinary that still has to test tomorrow with their final. So, a lot of those industry based certifications are coming in at the mid school year. And as some of you may remember from me sharing previously, some of those certifications don't count until the level two course is complete. So, some of the students who even earned a certification last school year as freshman, once they complete their second year of construction class this year, then that will count on
023here. So, we're really excited about the number of those um that will be earned and that will be reported in the system by end of June. So, we will be able to share that information with you by August. Um when we look at where we are, we're really excited that we're still ahead of the game of where we previously were with previous classes. And just to share some of that is because of the ongoing testing of TSI throughout the school year, as well as the Saturday opportunities. and we have some additional Saturday opportunities that will be coming this summer for some of our students who are aspiring to take additional dual credit classes. So, any questions or anything that I can clarify for? Thank you. Howard is going to come up and she's present for
024us. Good evening. Good evening. [Music] Okay, so we're winding down. We have completed our end of year testing and just to give something different, a different perspective, I wanted to present to you the prek data this year. Um, we look at kinder data. We look at our incoming kinder readiness which is based on our prek that are coming up and then about 100 kids from maybe that not being school or have come to us for the first time. And so I thought it'd be interesting just to see where are we ending the year each year with our prek students. So I gave you this is the first time to do this. I did give you a a year study on this. I did not give you the numbers because the numbers are deceiving beginning of
025year for prek is again this right in you know they're they're just coming to school for their first time. They're they're coming in from home or daycare. Uh so that's a raw student. Uh the growth is really what what we need to be focused on. And then where they come in at kindergarten again it it really doesn't matter. It's the growth because we have a goal to get to. If we have a low group that comes in at 22% our LSG goal is still that we're going to be adding every year we're be adding a percent to something that was set two years ago. So the the incoming number doesn't matter. It is all about the growth that we make during that year. So if you look at this the 22 23 school year that
026is when we had um healing brains and I will tell you I do have some comments on the site. We were fully implementing that. That was my first year here and I got to to see that firsthand, experience it and give it a year before I pass judgment on it. Um, we had our kids that year actually came in at 40%, if we call it kinder ready, then we have to call it prek ready. Our bl was 40% of our students were on track at the beginning of the year and yet we left the end of the school year at 22 23 with only a 34% gain. So we went from 40 to 74 which isn't very good whenever you look at what we've done since then as far as the growth numbers. Now our
027kids did come in a full 16 percentage points higher than what we have had since then. Whenever you look at math we started at 73% that year. We ended at 82. So if I just showed you those final numbers and you saw math was 82. You think oh that's really good. The way you ad seeing is that we only gained nine points of growth that year, which is why the next year we did have a lot of hard conversations and we made the decision to drop Fielding Brains. We dropped it uh right about midterm um and let the teachers teach the kids. And so once we got rid of human brains, we really honed in and started teaching um we did see an an enormous amount of growth that spring and it did come between
028our MLI and our EOI. And so what we ended up seeing from BI to EI beginning of year to end of year is a 48% growth in the reading category. That's RL is rapid letter making. So, it's not whether or not they know their outfit, it's how fast they know it, too. [Laughter] So, anyway, the uh and then the math is a comprehensive math score and it does talk about row counting, uh calculation, number identification, shape, uh identification, number discrimination, and shape. So, the math is a composite score, but the is just that's just based on letter name. So you see where we had quite a bit of increase there and that is also this spring we started really great reading uh that same year. Um that did also give us a lot because really
029great reading was an approved uh phonics curriculum that was on the commissioner's list. Mr. Townson had researched that and we went and viewed it in and our teachers fell in love with it. So we did see a good increase last year. This year uh we did not we started at 24% last year and grew to 40 grew 48 points. So we grew to 72. This year we started again at 24. Wait 24. Yes, we started again at 24 and we grew to 68% this year. So our growth in letter naming was not as strong this year as I would have hoped it to have been. Our growth in math was a little stronger. I do anticipate next year we will have a a much higher growth in the letter naming because that is our TIA
030focus. So the teachers right now they don't have a goal that's related to that. They just have a global goal. Next year they will have a goal that states that they take give credit for a student who um has a game of 20 letters. So right now you know it's just kind of I don't want to say a free but they learn it as they learn it but they're working on a lot of other things. they're going to be pushing the letters a lot harder next year because they do have that specific goal. So there are some other factors that play into that and as you look on the back we have increased class sizes um from and looking at who was tested. be approximately 16 students in the classroom in the healing brains year
031um with two a parent and a teacher so two adults and the 23 24 school year we had about 17 um to two and then this year we average about 21 to two it's a little bit deceiving because the two adults are not always there we have had staff reduction since I got here and this year without any we have no kinder support other than the teachers and no PE support and so whenever we don't have uh substitutes we have to pull from our prek classrooms and this is the I have never touched our prek classrooms before I've always let them maintain that 11 to1 ratio it just was not possible this year so I do think there are a lot of factors that have influenced the decline but we are working on strategies Mr.
032Johnson and um Miss Cross and I have had some very intense conversations about what things need to um be adjusted. And one of the things that they have, you know, we we recognize and they are working with us on is bringing some of that staff back that we we were kept down to the bare bones and it it did I mean we are seeing um the bad side of it. you know, it did hurt us. Uh, but with HQIM coming in next year with kindergarten, we have already added we have one position that is already posted as a PE position because I will have 66 plus kids going to PE at one time and I only have one PE coach and so we have added a pair to maintain our 50 to1 ratio. That is
033what we have to have. And then we also are looking at another special um and HP combination because I had to add another special. So that is going to help us keep from pulling our kinder pairs so that I mean our prek so they can focus on prek. But then we also will have those people to meet in as we embark on a new curriculum in kindergarten with this HQI group on it and they're going to get to really focus on that as well with some people in that. So we're super excited about what next year looks like. We spent a lot of time working on our schedule, but I did want to share with you kind of where we're at with prek. We are not going to count our prek that are exiting or
034not coming into kindergarten quite as strong with 44% growth, but they are their overall number is a little bit lower, 68% as opposed to 72 from last year, but I still do expect great things. What questions can I answer for you guys? Is it 44 or 46? The text says 46. The text says the text is incorrect. Okay. Where did I type that? 25 and I went back to I did not find it. The bar graph is the one that is that's where I actually and then two would not have enough. No. So, actually, I was over there pulling numbers. It's really scary when I look at our numbers. Um, in our in August, we actually or September, we only had 34% coverage for our um absences that were put in. Only 34% of the
035ones that were teachers were covered. There were 68 days that teachers were out in September. And there were 34 days that Harris were out. So combined together, that's over a 100 days of uh adults that are gone in the building. And we had teacher coverage picked up by subs 31% and parent coverage picked up by subs 41%. So you can see that we we're left without a lot of coverage. One of the things is that we've got got substitutes in the system. [Music] So, they're constantly. How often do you guys do the trainings now? So, we do the trainings once a month, but one of the things that Miss Wanda and I have had a lot of conversations over and she does a great job with getting our subs into the system and ready. But
036like Mr. Chris mentioned is they're overworked and that or they feel that they're overworked but then they also may say I want to sub but not pick up any of the positions. So that's what a lot of the situations we run into is we have I won't say a plethora of substitutes but we have a large amount but they don't go in and pick up an assignment unless they are just really adant and then some don't want PK to kinder they only want secondary. So, and it's it's a lot of um and I have to remind myself that they are they're doing it out of the kindness of their heart is that they're wanting to come and sub. It's not like a full-time part-time job. So, that's what makes it really difficult sometimes too. speaking
037from experience is very [Music] very appe. Oh my god. Yeah, it was, you know, I talked about the field day. They were actually in water and so it was the epitome of hurting kids in water because it was crazy. They're everywhere. So, I do want to share with you though as far as the sun goes. Um, we do have some very loyal subs. We have three subs that have been on our campus over 120 days of this school year. Um, and they are they are not our floers. They are not the ones that we hire to be there to support us. They're just ones that show up every day for us. And we tell them if if you don't see an opening, come on because there's going to be one and there is. And so
038we have some very loyal subs that love tiny hands and they show up every day for it. We could not have gotten through without them. We're going to be honoring and we have we have a number of other subs that have been there a lot too. But um all that to say the sub pool there are a lot as she said that don't they don't want to come to sharing um it is it's it's a little bit more than sitting in an algebra lunch and you know handing out do it actually it's a lot more and so getting people in that have the heart for for little kids and want to be there and then that we provide our stay with our kids because someone may show but it may not be the right fit
039and so we have to, you know, maybe not not proceed with them. So, but anyway, so don't have any questions. I'd be happy to answer them for you. I'm excited to be able to bring in the preK data and kind of let you see where they're ending this year with I think we're at 162 uh prek students. We typically start the next year with about 250 um kinder. So we are expecting we'll have about another 100 enrolled between now and August come into our classroom. Thank you so much. I appreciate you and appreciate what your campus is doing. Thank you. Very good. Little different. So, uh, Mr. Johnson would like to call on you to interpret what you heard tonight for CCMR for Well, uh, you know, I mean, obviously CCMR is going to be
040amazing. Um, so there's really not a whole lot to talk about there. We see what the numbers are going to be that it's been consistent and I will tell you, you're not going to find that anywhere else. Um, it's at the top of the state and so it's amazing. Um, Miss uh, Miss Hour does an amazing job. has already got some things in place. We like you said, we've been meeting on that to address some staffing issues. So, we've got a good plan with that with additional personnel, but not hitting the local budget. The personnel to be funded through title and so that'll come out of Miss Howard's title, campus budget, and she is more than willing to spend it on that. So, but then in addition, she's already, you know, behavior has increased. you
041know, we talk about increasing behaviors with celebrity young kids that we see and uh she's already got some plans in place to address that. You know, they've done all the campus have done a basic job with our attendance and tying incentives to those that attendance. She's going to be tying the to that as well. So, a lot of these things, so many incentives that that that the campuses do, particularly charity with the extra events that they put on for the kiddos, um their behavior is going to be tied to that. That's going to be uh communicated at the beginning of the year. Parents are going to have to sign off on it when they they roll. So, everybody will have a clear understanding. And so, hopefully that will help to cut down some of those
042behaviors they're experiencing in the classroom and allow instruction to move forward. So, I think we're on the right track. Um, you know, the the curriculum apps are in place. Our high quality prek standards are in place. So, uh, we're going to be doing good things, continue to see lots of improvement. And the really big thing, as you mentioned, is TIA and including all of prek K first and second next year. In that, I think you're going to see a big shift with those teachers really hungry to get the growth that that we need. So, it's going to be really awesome. hand with the legislature right now. And if it all go through, they're looking at a fourth designation level, which will be lower than the third one. Uh, and that would allow us to capture
043more teachers in that uh to to get TIA funds. So, it all comes together, man, it would be a perfect storm. So now for the legislature just the rest of the money be awesome. That's all we engagement that we've accomplished this month pretty. So that's something that we'll look at going forward. So, and I want you to know too, I'm putting together some new board member training. Do you all plan to go to summer leadership? Not this summer. Okay. So, I'm going to be communicating with Mr. Townson because I know you've got a pretty steep amount of training you have to do. What we're going to do is we're going to develop it. I was talking to another superintendent earlier today. We're going to plan some Zoom training so you can just do it from
044home and help you to get all of your hours. I'll send all that through music and Mr. council and it'll be out. We talked about that in Victoria. Very good. And I appreciate you making the effort to be there. All of you did. And so next month we're going to be considering goals four and five. And hopefully soon we'll have some star results and we'll be able to see how you did as far as accomplishing the goal. each month we look at progress but that's that's not what we do at the end of the cycle the students so that's what we're looking forward to we also have a couple reports on the superintendent progress measures that will so I do need for you to approve this part of the thank you very much privilege to
045get to work [Music] for sure. All right. Thank you, Tony. We appreciate you. We always enjoy getting to work with you and you asking us the questions that thank you so much for your time. Is there a motion to be made to approve LSG? Great. There's a a motion on the table to approve LSG as presented in port. Is there a second to the motion? Right. We have a first and a second. Any other questions, comments? I got one thing to say. The superintendent from a district down the road sent me a message. I sent a picture of those kids and a little message and he said, "Oh," he says, "That's awesome. I believe it. Thanks for sharing." So, I'm challenging him to It is 25. That's awesome. Thank you. And again, thank you high
046school and junior high and everybody that feeds into what they're doing because I know that it's it's happening before they get there to to prepare them to get to what you're having accomplished at the high school. So, thank you all for what you're doing. Huge, huge things um happening. So, any further questions or comments? All right. All in favor? Opposed? Motion passes. 60. All right. Moving into there are no reports this evening. Moving into items of business. We have done item A. We're going to move into item B. Consider and take possible action to re organize and elect more officers. So this happens every May every time we bring new trustees on or we have new trustees that are go through the intake process to become officers or not to become officers become trustees and
047sit at the table. We reorganize. Um, so I think that we will do it. We have a secretary, a vice president, and a president. And I believe the best way to do it is just to one by one. And so we'll start with the board secretary. Is there a motion to be made with secretary? All right. There's a motion on the table. Is there a second to the motion? All right. Are there any questions or comments? All right. All in favor? Opposed? Motion passes six to zero. So, Mr. West, you will be. All right. Moving on to the vice president of the board. Uh, is there a motion to be made? There's a motion on the table to nominate what? Oh, there's a motion on the table to nominate Mr. Spartmite for vice president. Is
048there a second to the motion? Second. All right. There's a first and a second. Any questions? Mr. Mr. Good. Thank you, Mr. I think the position of president and vice president needs to be changed. James has been both president and vice president leadership knows that his time in here and I know all of my board it's not one person that's here that cannot fill the vice president. So I don't like the perception that I think since you've been on board you've been the vice president. I said my first year I think you need to gain experience in your first year before you jump in those but yeah I was president my second year we have we have we have Trent we know that he's not a so I think that we need to think about
049that and reelecting offices has been president for how many years? This is your third. So I think those position not to overlook the talent on anyone on the board because like I said I think that everybody in here is qualified to hold. So I was going to do this. Okay, James, I know we've done this. I did not include you in my slate because I thought you want me to answer your question? Yes, you can. I value your opinion and I don't disagree with you wholeheartedly. Like you said, I can I serve at your own board? You want to be secretary, president, vice president, whatever. We we can talk about that. I I know personally some people whose names she's thrown out there don't want to be a president or vice president. You just mentioned
050a couple things. You said this person could be doing it. This person be doing and I know some of them personally don't want to do it. And I think we're we're at in a critical time right now in in a transition in our district that experience you know matters and and there's a lot that that Jill and I do behind the scenes having meet with Mr. Townsen multiple times a week and I don't know many people that can dedicate the amount of time that's needed to do it and be available. And so I think that that factors into it. The experience factors into it. There's a lot going on. And so I'm I'm glad to step back next year. Um but I think it's important this year. I would like to continue on with everything
051that's going on. Just kind of keeping it going for me the way the way it is. I love the relationship that you two have and I appreciate your dedication with that. change. I do understand all of the changes and I understand everything that's going on in the district. But your position your position can be by she has been here. She has been at all practically all the meetings. I know she's very good at organizing and getting out there and do it and she works from home and Lauren wants the vice president that you ask her. I won't give her an opportunity to answer but u Trent is not here and I think he has rejected before but u so I get that Trent's got a new business going right now. Yeah, but the 20 hours
052a week that we spend doing this, I don't know that trick will put that in right now. I don't want to speak for him, but know about it. So, another option is we can elect officers tonight and then it's not we can't according to we can't do it again. Um, I agree with James. I'm happy to to step down from this role. It is not something that I'm I'm privileged and honored to do it, but it's not something that I by any means not want to do but have to do. If anybody and I've asked I've asked sweet Laura Beth if she has and she can if she wants to change her mind that's fine but I have asked her. Um I know I've had random conversations with Trent just throughout the time knowing that
053he's busy. Um so that kind of stands there and so I agree with James just having the consistency at this moment in time but I'm willing and happy to Yes. So it open for correct. So as long as we have two to get it on the agenda according to board operating procedures, we have to have two members make the request to put it on. So that vote can happen. That's what we have any. So we do it typically at this meeting just because you're new and then we reor we bring the other two that were elected reelected and then yes we can we can put it back on the is that correct? Yeah I think every year we have new members correct somebody being awarded every year no matter what. So everybody would do this
054no matter what. Now is that that is my understanding. You probably Yeah, I mean you may have a board officer that uh you know resigns or moves and so then you would have to reappoint somebody. Uh the only thing is the way that most uh board policies read is if the president uh resigns or moves then there isn't an appointment except for the vice president because the vice president becomes the president. Correct. Uh normally this is an annual event that you do when you're reorganizing the board unless there's some reason to do it at another time then it could come back up on the agenda to re to relook at it again. So the decision we make here tonight, [Music] it has to Yes, sir. So there's a motion on the table with a second
055for Mr. start to become to remain vice president. Are there any further questions or comments? All right. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes six to zero. All right. Moving on to the seat of presidents. Is there a motion to be made? Nominating West. I looked at her first. Yes. All right. There's a motion on the table. Is there a second to the motion? I'll second. All right. Is there any questions, comments, conversation? All right. Hearing none. All in favor? Oppos? Motion passes six to zero. All right. Item C, approval of the 2526 calendar. Mr. Towns, I'm gonna So uh after the last meeting uh the principles set a timeline the very following week they went back to their campuses gather input uh from their teachers and they and staff and then we convened the
056following Monday. Um and they used that input to come up with the two calendars that you have before you. Um I did put out a survey with two calendars and calendar B which is year revision five is what the way majority in the 80%age had chosen as their preference over the two calendars. Um some things to note on the two calendars the way that we were able to or the principles were able to manage and manipulate the days and you know a balance between a work day and professional development day and things like that. they were able to maintain the same number of minutes between both calendars for 78,180 and so both have 5.7 bank days uh for that for bad weather. I know that we've had u you know two days of bad weather
057traditionally in the last couple of years around January. We had playoffs. Um I know that we did release early one time. I don't know if we did this another time or not. Was it two times? Yeah. And so that's three days there. Um and so if there were any other things, you know, sometimes there's a misunderstanding that if you know if it's bad weather that the state will give you some type of waiting for those minutes or something. has to be declared a disaster for something like that to happen for if you don't meet your minutes if we get too far. So, uh anyway, the the first calendar that you have there does give them the fourth days that we had talked about and it gives them a work day the day after Columbus Day
058and then it also gives them a professional development day right before spring break. Um the next calendar, it does not do the two extra hot days. It does give them everything else that the first calendar has, but then in addition, it gives them two days off. So, it takes it down from 187 to 185. Uh, and so it may be hard for you to see where those are. The first one is right before spring break and then the other one is they would not have to come back after memorial. And I missed putting the color so we'll fix that. Um yeah, and and that's I mean that's a majority of where they wanted the extra day off if they were going to get an extra day off is a little bit longer spring break. I
059don't know that would mean the principles would know whether or not it was a specific day that they had stated. I think it was more of just having additional days principles did they tell you specifically these are the days I want off or something like that? My team just said they didn't want to start on a Tuesday. They want to start on Wednesday and they don't like four day weeks because they're very hard. But that's a an early childhood issue. So other than that, they they were not I mean that that would turn that one into a three-day week with that PD day in there. But um we did feel like as the the team, we felt like we needed a PD day in the spring because so many of them were going to the
060comps. Um are you talking about the spring break Fridays? And so, um, one calendar just had that one as a a comp day and no PD day. And then one of the calendars we just stuck with the PD day because we glad we need one. And then instead of having a comp day, they just flipped it to a a day off. I was going to just add a little bit of a tidbit to that too is um I believe that week is also our fair week and those were some additional concerns that I know were discussed in prior conversations. So when the team met that was discussed of okay instead of putting it as a comp day why don't we go ahead and use that as a holiday since some of our staff would have
061been gone for fair week to support their students that may be in in attendance that week. So that was kind of why we looked at that date versus just another random day throughout the year. That one made a little bit more sense. The same thing was true from the high school. Um we did survey all of our PLC teams and of course one um consensus was that they were grateful for the idea of of giving time back and appreciative of the board's initiative to do so. They would take it where they could get it but that they knew that attendance was low at that time. Um especially at some of the elementary campuses, you know, they'll go with their siblings and staff also um have needs to be able to support their own. And so
062given the actual holiday on the Friday plus the professional development beforehand, um allowed kind of a a two for one need that we really did need some professional development time to review benchmark data, those kinds of things and and put some things in place for the but then the other piece really was if kids aren't here, what are we teaching? So did every campus have a meeting of some sort to gather the information from all of the staff? And I know Titty Holmes is not here, so I don't know if you're able to Teddy Holmes. Yeah, Titty Holmes did share with me that they did that through their instructional leadership team. Just I just want to make sure that everybody was able to have input in some sort of capacity on each campus. Principles, do
063you want to share real fast how you I mean, I can just share at the high school, we started with the ILT took some notes. They went back to the PLC and then returned that in the form of a Google form so that the ILOT could then meet again as a followup to review what was the general consensus feedback so I could share that with principles. We spoke briefly in a in a a morning hle what it was and we talked about it and talked about some of the the proposed doc and I talked about the Tuesday and it was like overwhelming no crap. So, uh, we talked about just a few things in that forum. Uh, what are our, you know, important things for the hills we want to die on? And one of
064the hills we wanted to die on was not starting on Tuesday. But other than that, you know, my staff is pretty annual. It just they just didn't want to start before Wednesday. That was really important to them. just want to discuss it with our team also kind of the same and wanted to make sure that we were meeting the needs of the upper grades and I will say at the same time we're also all very cognizant we did not feel like it was in our best interest to reduce the student minutes we need to be serving the students we we struggle at our level you just saw our data we we need to um improve our scores And so taking more time away really didn't seem like the answer which is why that one just
065took a day and then the two days and turned them into so we didn't we actually had it open to staff that were interested in um having a voice for it on a Wednesday after school during that following week. Um they also shared that they didn't want to start on a Tuesday. Um tasked with the 187 and the 185. They were looking at having an extra day in the fall. That was important to them if that was an option if we could do that. Um I know when we spoke we were actually looking at the Friday, but then discussing with the high school um moved it to that Tuesday. So it wouldn't appear with athletics at that point and going to the 185 option. It just made sense to cut two of the comp days
066because I was already four comp day calendar and that wasn't really in a sentence with the staff at that point. So with the elementary saying that they needed those instructional minutes, it just made sense from the 187 185 to cut the two additional compared to other districts in the area and they're like, "Well, they only go 168. We're talking about going down 170. That's two days extra whatever." Well, they also go to school 20 minutes long every single day and that equals I think like eight days total throughout the year. So that two days is really we're already working six days if you count that. So for the next year, I would challenge y'all to maybe like look at the bell schedule also to see if if we're really going at the day number is
067the priority. We can keep the minutes and still, you know, fluctuate some of days if we change the bill schedule. I know that you don't want to have too long off because you don't want to have the learning loss of large breaks but you know just look at that aspect maybe a five minute long and and just to share for high school for sure we did discuss that because there was feedback from one of the team members initially for the initial IoT and I said we'll go to your PLC's and ask are they willing to add 30 minutes to the instructional day and one of the general consensus things that came back was absolutely not because of the extracurricular activities and students already missing instructional time because of the early dismissal needs because of how
068far away those distances are. So that did come up as a topic of discussion because we compared Bambble's calendar specifically and the number of days calculated the number of minutes and looked at of course it I said well it won't just be us our instructional minutes would have to change but so would the other campuses and we would have to propose that but if they were willing to do so and when they came back from PLC's it was a general consensus that they did not want to. One of the other concerns that that I would have with that is right now the way things are mapped out with HQIL they're be struggling to get that content in. And so 30 minutes tacked on won't really get them where they need to go if they're missing
069the day. And so I don't know and we'll know better next year as we go through it. Maybe maybe we're overanalyzing it. I don't think so because you have I mapped it out and I mapped it out tight and I I still have to go in now and take out two more days and we were already very tight with no overboard. So we're going to have to double up on things and that is our that's our new curriculum. you will know more after we get into it and we, you know, do it our first year. But the way that it's written and that's Van Black is how we double up on there. But, but I will you guys that's it's a two-hour block of sit and get for kindergarten, first grade and second grade. They're
070sitting for two hours for their ework block. And it's not it's not stations, it's not centers. It is sitting together and whole group learning. So, if they don't look, that's four hours. I I can only well I don't imagine they're doing four hours, but they're having to cram it together somehow to get it in fewer days because the um the curriculum itself is built for there's a 187 and there there's a uh day curriculum. So you they have a one where it's spread out a little further. You just have more days in there where you could retach if needed. And so we worked ours off of the 175 day and that'sund 175 days on one of them, 177 on the two different parts to it. And again, it is it is a very tight calendar
071to get it all in. We go back and adjust it a little bit to make it match our new calendar, but I don't know. We don't have the kindergarten readiness to support accelerating it like that. And I just say that I have looked at the curriculum in in December. Our kindergarteners are supposed to be reading, writing, and spelling uh all of the ways to make O. So they're going to be reading, writing, and spelling road. R O A D. Um tote to O T E. And I mean, it's just those are high expectations that I just couldn't see cramming that further up either. That's a really good point with the kinder readiness piece. I mean, because you know, like 61 t 65. Yeah. And and it's been as low as 18. It has. Yeah. And
072so that's a there's a lot of time. And the other thing is is that our student population and and I just it's just our population is not the same as the population in Tide Haven or population. Tide Haven's population is not the same as Vanlet. They're different kids. All of them are different. They have different needs. Our students come to us and they're not ready for kindergarten. And not only that, but our students do, in order for them to thrive, they have to have things in place to be able to learn before anything else happens. They have to feel safe. They have to have the basic provisions of food and water and shelter. And they have to have love. And they have to have acceptance and and all of those things. And every day, even
073though if we tack on 30 minutes during a day, they're going to have another full day at home or wherever that is. And for a lot of them, that's not eating or it's being stuck in an environment that is not where they want to be. You know what I mean? And so, it's a whole different scenario. And and I got to tell you, and that's okay because I own that and I want it to be like that because this is where we're making the biggest difference, right? That's this is where it's at. And if you look at where our kids start and where they end up now, why don't you compare that to Tai Dav and then we can have a discussion so they can go on with their calendar and they can focus on
074whatever it is they want to focus on, but this needs to be about our kids and finding a way to honor our teachers in a balanced approach. And Mr. And just to share at the high school specifically, it did come up about how are we going to meet the other needs of kids that aren't academic on the days they're not here at school and our staff was willing to say, you know, do we need to still come to be here? I would are you going to ask Mr. Ger if we can serve meals on days that we're not going to be here? And I said, I'm sure that he would be creative, but that is a a a need and we're well aware of it for our students. Some of those students that you saw
075here tonight, they're in our counselor's office eating. Yes. To share that, we're actually a supple program throughout the school year right now. So, I'm sorry I passionate about it, but this is what we're about. But our staff was willing to be present for that very Yeah, it's awesome. And also going back this it's deviating a tiny bit but talking about kinder readiness we have initiatives in our district that have been started to help with that. So yes, our kinder readiness is much lower than surrounding districts, but we are working in specifically Cherry is working tirelessly and I know that there are others working on that trying to bridge the gap for those students. So when we do receive them into Bay City ISD in kindergarten that they are at a higher position. So we're partnering
076with daycarees to ensure that those places are getting the same quality instruction in their prek4 class as they're getting in prek at Bay City ISD. So those type of things have started happening. So we will start seeing those numbers rise. But at this point we need to be present just like Mr. Thompson said. We need our kids in school so we can be teaching them and giving them what they need to make them successful so we can have more more success at the high school as we're launching these kids into the world to whatever is next whether that's college or whatever school that looks like whatever their next level is. Um, so I think that that's that's a great focus and to stay focused on that. We we're not our surrounding districts and we want
077to serve our student population well. [Music] I like that idea. But my thing is with that and we always prepare Bay City to Van that's like apples and oranges because you have to understand in that little small town the student teacher ratio is and so if I have 10 kids versus 21 in a prek class I should see some I should see a difference but we're not there as long as we stay focused on our kids when we start comparing. I would like to see schools of our district size, not schools with fair, you know, and I can say that because my grandson went and you decide that in junior high, you're sitting in a junior high science class or whatever class and you only have 10 kids. That's that that is should teach you
078about going to heaven versus whatever. That's the one I'm trying to say. But uh I really like to see even when we start comparing yes give me someone a B city I student because right now I say yeah somebody send their kids to but uh when we start looking at that in a different and bringing it before our parents and our teachers. Let's see that we are really making a comparison with someone else in the class teacher relationship, you know. So when we look at those things, I think we will see a difference. But I know that right here in basic I feel we have great but have we used them today when five is more than you would ever dream of. So when we can cut that I think we can see the difference
079and then we can get the same 12 15. So the same town versus everything is compared to I think it's like correct and I don't I don't know if the district is comparing I think I hear the community a lot well that's what they said in Bamb it's apples to oranges it is not too comparable school district just like tide haven and bamb or not to comparable school districts. Um so comparing and I think that at some point I don't know if Tony you brought it or if it was given in board book um there was a comparison of where Bay City is and our taper data to other districts that were like I'll have to go back and see if I can find that get that to you. All right. Is there any questions
080or comments about the calendar? And if not is there a motion to be made? The preferred calendar was five motion calendar. Okay, there's a motion on the table to approve revision five calendar. Is there a second to the motion? All right, there's a second. Is there any further comments, questions? Hearing none. All in favor? Opposed? Motion passes six to zero. All right, moving on to the consent agenda. Last year y'all reorganized committees. Do y'all do that tonight as well? Let's wait until we have Trent back and then we can have that conversation. I'll put it. Yes. Thank you. All right. Moving on to consent agenda. Is there a motion to be made? Does anybody want to remove anything from the consent agenda? All right. Is there a motion to be made? Make a motion to
081approve the consent agenda. All right. Is there a second to the motion? All right. We have a first and a second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes six to zero. All right. We're going to move into executive session. We're going to close convene to close session for three different items. One. Yes. So just what was approved? Yeah. So the uh the retention incentive site resolution was approved by the board and so we will follow up with communication on what that may look like we reach our 93.5%. Um I know Miss Crosoff and us and some others will be communicating to all the directors that if we reach that which you'll need to look forward to agree so we can do it couple more days maybe. All right thank you sir. All right we're going
082to convene into close session under one for our district vulnerability assessment full report. Pursue personal matters if necessary may be taken to the close session pursuant Texas government code 551.07 07 board to deliberate the appointment employment evaluation reassignment duties discipline resignation or dismissal of a public officer employee including contract recommendations for campus and district level administrators three delivery regarding the sale lease or donation of real property located in 12 bas city Texas formerly the barber elementary school legal description witson s lot 6 county appraisal district ID 49018 on 11.1 acres pursuing a Texas government code 551.072 in number four pursuant of Texas government code 551.074 04 personnel matters. A consider and discuss service of community land on related matters. B consider and discuss appointment of new superintendent and related matters. We'll move into close session
083at 7:24. All right, we are going to reconvene into open session at 9:07. Discuss uh item one, discussing consider approval of hiring contractual personnel. Is there a motion to be made? Make a motion to approve hiring contractual personnel presented board. Is there a second to the motion? All right, we have a first and a second. Any comments, questions, further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor? I opposed. Motion passes six to zero. Number two, consider and take possible action regarding selecting new superintendent and related matters. Is there a motion you made? I make a motion to authorize the president to proceed as discussed in close session. All right, there's a motion on the table. Was there a second to the motion? All right, we have a first and a second. M. Is there any further questions,
084comments? Hearing none. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes six to zero. Last item of business, adjournment. Is there a motion we make? She's ready. Is there a second to the motion? Real quick before we adjourn, a couple dates that are coming. Um, June 10th, we would like to do a board workshop. So, please check your calendars to ensure that that works. We have to have a budget passed by June 30th. June 30. I was like the 31st. No, June 30th. And so that June 17th will be the day that we pass it, but we need to have it lined out ready to rock and roll on the 10th. So please check on the 10th to make sure that that works. It would be five o'clock um five o'clock maybe 5 to 7. Everybody work
085for that or is that one for everybody? Yeah. June 10th. June 10th. Yes, sir. June 10th at 5:00 p.m. will be the next budget workshop. Is that enough? One more before like the approval on the 17th. Can we Mr. Gomez, you want to talk about that timeline? Yeah, I'm trying to push so we get there. It was I'm trying to get us to by the 17th because the last four weeks of the year is the No, I'm saying is the 10th is that meeting enough? I mean, do we need to What are you planning to have for them on the 10th? I'm having to hopefully have it all because at that point I should have all of my budget meetings done with all the departments and campuses at that point. So, we have the campuses
086last week. We have audit going on this week. We continue with department meetings next week. [Music] I'm here. And he's still smiling. Prime time. Right. So when we get to the 10th, you should you should have be able to present with them what you would plan to present on the 17th and we can have discussions around that ahead of time. So we're not Right. Correct. Debating on the 17th. We'll get everything on the 10th. Yes. Well, I just like this point everyone we've had has been shortened for other stuff and we've barely scratched the surface and seeing huge numbers which is really hard to say to even really know what's cut. You know, it's just I would say more questions than not questions because it's not even deep enough. What I'm hearing is no time
087order pizza. I mean, I'm fine with that. I'm saying I feel like we haven't ever gotten into it. We had we had to add so much stuff, right? I think what Vince can do is just give you when we get there is to give you kind of an overview of what we have and really beyond the the canvas allocations. There really hasn't been other cuts that have taken place and really the campus allocations taking care of all the kind of things about okay well who's spending too much money is athletics you know everybody got cut 20% and so that takes that piece out and then our staff has already cut to the bone so that to do that piece I mean I'm just thinking you know initially our calendar talks started to help them with
088something yes and then we talked about class sizes and I'm I know that we've made cuts and we don't have any money, but I feel like our teachers need to we have to look at everything possible to make do what we can for them. So, absolutely. I I don't want to leave anything unturned and I understand cutting 20% but maybe there's things that there's, you know, places that can cut corner and some I don't think we can cut from teacher, you know, that's not part of it. But I think everything and it's just the same number that's if I go any deeper if I'm just being honest I can give you guys a high level overview of where we're at by objects in terms okay this function is broken out by salary contracting services supplies
089and the miscellaneous 6400 but beyond that we start diving in we start expanding that that expansion that a lot of our staff Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. If I keep it if I try to go that we're going to be here instead of the next day the next day. So that's why I'm saying the function for reason. I think that's part of it and that's why we do four budget because we're looking at function instruction 12 so I mean that's part of it for sure but at the function level that's presented by function because that's if you're interested in separate function but on top of that you know up to this point I think it was in March we provided had a break down term extra records, but that was function 36 and that
090was broken up into the Yeah. And yeah, I looked at that, but some of them I don't know what all is, you know, is within that function. Some of them are. So maybe something that would be helpful is a breakdown of like Kelly sent out last before last budget meeting what each function was, but maybe a breakdown of okay, function 11 houses what all the houses and then right. So that did we see no flip book or did we So I only function. So I only did function in there but I can go down one but I I have they have brought it up to me some of them of the board members just it looks such a large number and if we can have it where maybe go down just a little bit but
091it's like you said I know that would be diving into the weeds but just a tad bit of like function 11 has this this and this in it function 36 has this this and this but not giving it too much detail right but I think that that digital flip book do we have do we Do we have some physical ones? The tabs and they're all different colors. You could take a digital one and get it printed up. Yes. You know what I mean? So, Miss Bjack Bay City High School has two that we had the DECA store make for us so that we can operate on a normal day-to-day basis. I'm happy to provide those as available or we can get Miss Urser to make additional ones. Yeah, if we could make seven for the
092board, that would be awesome. Just make sure that they're up to date with what you have. And you want all the flaps or you just want Yeah. So that they can break down. Miss will work on that. She created them for us. So I think it'll be an easy We still have a maybe a day where she does a couple. Like this, right? But when sent out the updates, we send it to you digitally ahead of time. Okay. And then we'll have physical one that you can because if you like I like what I would ask because to Vince's point he's right he very eliminately our job is to adopt the budget at the function level. If you have questions below that please get those answered before the board meeting and don't overload him with
093million questions but you have questions let's try to get ahead but I would ask if you go to Chris. Yeah, please go through Mr. Thompson and then Mr. Thompson can disperse as as needed. Yeah, that would be like the ultimate goal so that if you want to sit maybe schedule some time advance to you know look through some of that stuff with you because it has to do digital what's on board book so you can see them all I and that's what I'm saying like I can give you everything that I have that been shared so I get that all to you okay for digital so this show if you want to schedule some time or something just let us know we can work that out for a while he can talk to us and
094it may be something just school finance is a monster of a beast just to learn and so we can have up to three in there. So that we're that's something that is available and that can happen um just for a learning piece. Um so and then the actual board meeting for June is June 17th. Will everyone I know there are a couple that will not be able to be here. Will everyone else be able to be here on June 17th? I'll be here at 6. Are you able to be here? Okay. I asked him today and he said yes. He was good. Okay. All right. So, June 10th at 5:00 p.m. June 17th is at 6 p.m. All right. Any other questions, comments? Thank you for everything that you do. One and a half days.
095We can do it. All right. All in favor of adjournment. I opposed. Motion passes six to zero. A German is at 917.