001Call this meeting special meeting of the Colony Independent School District to order. Let the record show that the court board members is present. This meeting has been duly called and a notice. This meeting has been posted in accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act Government Code Chapter 551. >> You got that going. >> I'm going to get it faster. Miss Coker is going to lead us in a prayer. Father, we thank you for this evening. Thank you for each person that's here and ask for your wisdom and guidance in making decisions for the best of this district. We thank you for every student uh we have in this district and just ask you father for your blessing on all of our teachers, staff and administration. We ask these things in Jesus name. Amen. >> Amen.
002All right, first item. >> So we have Mr. Black is the only one who is not present this evening and unless he happens to make his way in here late. So the first item is consider and take action on whether to adopt an order calling for a school bond election. Mr. Kim asked if he could speak. Um I believe everybody in the room has met Mr. He is our assigned conservator and he has been in the district a couple of days over the last couple of weeks and met with several staff members in central admin. So I will turn it over. >> Well, good evening board members. Mr. President, I appreciate you uh inviting me here tonight. >> Yes, sir. >> The first thing I want to do is to just apologize for not uh
003seeing all of you in previous board meetings since my appointment to this particular role. Um I just as a background uh been the superintendent of school districts here in Texas, two different school districts, uh been in education roughly around 32 years or so. Half of that as superintendent. I began my career in the Dallas and school district as an elementary school teacher. I've done also high school and middle school. Middle school was not my favorite. Um uh and I think part of that reason was that I started with elementary, went to high the middle school >> and uh I got to really like the high school kids because they actually can talk with you a little bit. Middle school kids I found out do not really talk talk. So, uh, my experience was at a
004superintendent town. It was a guy named Mike Moses, uh, in Dallas, and he asked me to go into a middle school called J Middle School, home of the pirates. And, uh, asked me to go ahead and take care of an issue there. And one of the first issues that I saw was that the kids regularly had food fights. And, uh, and of course all the custodial staff would clean that up. So my first time they saw that I stopped every kid from going to class and I said you will start cleaning everything up. It took them half a day to do it. Uh parents got a little bit upset but a lot of parents were actually appreciative that finally somebody was going to stop that. So that was the last time the food fight ever
005begin there. >> And then eventually I made my way south to the central Texas area became superintendent in the Bayer Independent School District which is right east of uh Austin. And I was there five years as superintendent. And then my last job as a superintendent of schools was in the comment school district. And I was there 10 years as a superintendent. Survived 10 straight years as superintendent of schools there which is Kale County, New Bron Falls, uh, Overie, Spring Branch, Gardenidge school district about 589 square miles. um 30,000 kids when I left roughly was lucky enough to pass multiple bonds and build two high schools, middle schools and uh several other things of course to make things work and so uh certainly like to think that I have some experience and knowledge from a practical
006sense to advise you about perhaps where you might go of course tonight in in this discussion of the bond and the discussion of that I know it's very important community. Um, but at the same time, I think that the circumstances that I'm here, of course, is based upon the academic situation that you're facing. And of course, I don't want to belabor that understanding because you already know what that's about. And I know that in some sense that right now to the school year or when a board of managers gets appointed, you know, we're kind of in this sort of this gray area, let's just say, and trying to figure out how to make these decisions go that truly affects not county immediately but also in the future. And so that's a tough place to be
007to be quite honest with you. Um I think it's a tough place to be as a board member. You'll never see me running for a school board election anywhere anytime. Y'all guys get paid too much for this kind of job. Um, I will say that right now, uh, with that, you know, this is a a situation I think that as a board member, I used to always say to my board members, you're not ever making decisions for today. You're really making decision for tomorrow. In many ways, you have to set the district right for the future and future boards and administrators and kids to really inherent. And that's a very difficult thing to do because you're doing that in spite of perhaps community pushbacks, community discussions, and so forth. and so on. And that might
008be very difficult because the natural human tendency is to respond to various things that the community feels like you need to do right now. But as a trustee, you have to think always towards the future and that's a very difficult thing to do. So thankless job. So we really do appreciate it. I appreciate the role that you serve as well as of course your superintendent and your staff that are here tonight others. With that in mind, I want to be very thoughtful and judicious about how I talk about where we are at. And I also want to be thoughtful to say that what I know is um is from the benefit and the work that your staff has done because no one's going to come in here two days or three days and trying to
009figure everything out that you've been talking about for the last several years. So, I want to be very respectful of that. So your superintendent and David and others have done a great job of giving me up to date about what things are happening, what should be, and so forth and so on. Having said that, philosophically, I'm all about efficiency. I'm all about lower tax rate for taxpayers. I'm all about making sure that uh school districts are not the leading edge of economic development, but rather a a lagging indicator, if you will. However, I also recognize that a school, in fact, two things in a community creates a community. The book end is a school and a church. And those two things are always what guard rails any community. And right now, you're in charge of
010a school district. And if you do well at that, you're going to attract folks. And I don't know whether or not you agree with this or not. Parents today are shopping for schools more than ever before in education whether it's private schools, charter schools, home school, you name it. So that's happening all the time. You got to have a really great basis of what you are attracting your kids to. And it's got to be more than a football team. Go out and my school district high school won back-to-back state championships of of late. Even still, it's not why parents send their kids to that school district. I believe that one of the first reasons why parents choose their school district is because they feel that their kid is safe. Number two, they feel like their
011kids going to have a friend. Number three, you know what? My kids going to get an opportunity at something. And probably the fourth, hey, the school district is doing good in academics. and then all the extracurricular matters. Now I believe you have a very safe school. I believe that kids when they come here they probably find friends. The question becomes the academic issues. So those are things that I think if all things are being equal, parents are looking for those things and right now you're in a situation where you have to improve that. We have to improve that together and that's an important thing as a board of elected board members. Even though you have this TEA intervention in the board of managers, you'll still be operating as an elected board, you will have regular
012elections even next year and so forth. Unfortunately, you will not have any legal authority or statutory authority to make any decisions duration of time, but you'll still be there. you still be welcome to come to board meetings and listen public forum and so forth and so on meet with a new superintendent possibly and all that good stuff. So with that in mind you're making a a decision tonight that potentially not only affects immediately but also for future. In fact, depending on the timeline when the board of managers are getting instituted, they might be inheriting the election process. It's a May 4th election. Early voting is two weeks prior to that, which will begin in sometime in midappril for two weeks time or a week or a time. You might by then have a board of
013managers in place. I know that I'm involved with the two-day training of the board candidates coming up. So after that, we will move rather judiciously in terms of identifying potential candidates for those TA will the commissioner has full authority on that situation and probably thereafter a superintendent will be there. So you're talking about the fact that someone else will be in these seats inheriting this and then have to take whatever decision you petition might make to them. So that's one caveat to think about as a context. So I want you to understand how significant your decision is tonight. I'm not going to necessarily ask you to do one or the other, meaning vote yes or no on a bomb election issue. You're going to make that decision here tonight. Everybody with me on that? The
014second caveat is you've had previous bond elections. >> I think you have three that failed subsequently leading up to Now I I get there are some rational nuance that says suppress why you may have failed. I have passed multiple bonds totaling over a billion dollars. But I failed one too in 2012. $451 million. I failed that one. The community I just got to come out of the pen district. That's my first year. and I inherited a process that burdened a $451 million. Now, I remember the one I lost, by the way. I don't remember what I passed, by the way. That's just the way it works in life, I guess. Let me tell you what the community said. I'm not going to give you a blank check for 439. We don't even know you. There
015were issues in that school district before I arrived, but I but it was my responsibility. I had to own it the first day I showed up, whether I was there or not. So I took it on the chin. In fact, I thought I was getting fired. Somehow that I survived nine years after that and passed subsequent bonds. But what did I have to do in order to pass other bonds to pass even greater than $450 million? I had to go ahead and take care of the issues. And I did. It took me two years to take care of the issue that were were basically out there that parents were complaining about that taxpayers were saying these are the issues. Once we did that, taxpayers said you know what we're going to have we're going to
016let you pass to the borrow by 70 60%. And in today's world, that's a landslide. And we passed multiple bonds. And my last one was a bond election in November of $400 some million dollars plus a Vader election, a voter approved tax ratification election of seven cents increase on the revenue side or the M side to generate more money to pay our teachers a bit more. in a county that is very very conservative and we won that election by 300 votes. So it can be done is my point. But you have to earn that right with taxpayers. One of the other things that I want to point out is that many of your teachers and staff member do not live in the boundaries of the school district. They're the most to gain from a bond
017election, improvements and so forth. So the question becomes, who are your voters? And I'll tell you who your voters are, 65 and over voters. They're the frequent flyers. If they have Southwest Airline points, they'll be in the like, you know, they'll be in the ambassador status. Young folks don't vote as much as frequently as they ought to. The May election is a lower turnout typically than the November election cycle. So, you're fighting against that mechanic of that situation. You know better than I do as to why you may have failed previous elections. And and the argument goes this would be a no tax increase from y'all. Doesn't register with 65 and over voters or those who are others because when they go in the polling booth they see on legal language this is a rate
018increase. >> That's a false. It's not, but yes, that's the language that they were put in the paper. >> Sure. I will agree. In fact, when I was passing bonds, I'd rather not be called a liar. So, I've always made that sentence true by having a tax increase because I can't do nothing about combating someone who calls me a liar. But I could do a lot of things to say why it's a one penny increase. Does that make sense there? >> That's a better argument in my opinion than saying this is not a tax increase. When I went to the chamber meetings, the Optimus Club meeting, the Rotary, the Kenya Lions Club meeting and so forth, if I were to say this is not a tax increase, trust me, and they see that it's not
019on the land, guess who they going to call me? You're a liar. Why do you want to be called that? That was worse to me than actually saying it's got a little tax increase, but this is what it's for the kids. This is what for our schools. This is what our future. This is what attracts people to come to come out school district. When that school district when I got there was in 2012 15,000 kids. When I left roughly 30,000 kids and it's still growing. In fact, I live right by Bies in your Bronles and that's one of the worst Bucky. The traffic around there is terrible. Terrible cities and they just built a new entertainment area and terrible traffic is terrible. But it's got cheap gas. >> So I'm telling you that you have
020a lot of things as a challenge. A lot of things as a challenge in the best of circumstances. the last go around, the last three go around, you have to ask yourself whether or not this is going to be a situation right now and you're going to be dedicated towards that. You got the community dedicated towards that and so forth to make this thing work because consistent failure does not help the perception issue just as well. Last time I was here, Jill was your superintendent was kind enough to gather some of your uh folks around the community to show up. There was a mix of teachers, there are a mix of other folks, some of your alumnists that were here and and we did a process and they all agreed that we need a bond.
021So, there's not a disagreement that there's not a need for a bond. The question really came whether or not they could actually pass or not under circumstances. I mean, that's a million dollar question. I can't tell you a model that's out there under these circumstances that a bond has been passed. >> The only thing that comes close to what y'all are thinking about tonight is Houston ISD last year or two years ago when that superintendent over there under the state intervention tried to go out for I believe a $6 billion bond issue. Now when I saw that number I was like I don't think but it did not pass. So, you're thinking about something here tonight. Now, there are mechanics to it, and I hope you ask questions about that. I or David or your
022superintendent could answer some of those things. Regardless of the bond issue of the decision you're going to take tonight, I met with your staff and certainly there's an opportunity and I've informed TA as well of consolidating our schools here in the column defense industry. Right now you have five elementary campuses. >> I'm sorry, three. >> One total. Yes. So the whole idea is to actually consolidate the primary I'm sorry the early childhood. I'm getting those two mixed up because of the uh just where the buildings are relative to everything. >> Your early childhood center and currently you have 208 total kids. your elementary the four through five you had 259 total cases in that of that grade level combined into the primary building or according to the beans report 437 cases right now at this
023point combining into the one the larger primary campus building everybody with me on that one >> that's the idea now >> so 900 kids >> that's where we're anticipating potentially under the current numbers >> and that campus was designed and built for 6580 >> 7 >> based upon the core. So those numbers are always based upon what's known as sort of core core or core uh core areas which is a cafeteria library and so forth. But in terms of classroom space with the teacher student teacher ratio being a little bit higher we think that that can be achieved or I think I believe that can be achieved. I do think and I talked to Mr. attendants and your superintendent that potentially need for a portable set in order to accommodate at least one grade level
024set. There's cost to that uh which is in comparison comparably speaking with the rest of the bond not as significant in terms of dollars. Now I know people think that portables are bad. My parents made me think that portables are bad but I'm going to tell you I had a lot of portables in the mountain school district. Just as a caveat portables help you pass bond elections. When my parents thought that, oh my god, these poor kids are in these terrible terrible portables. By the way, these poorers come with nice restrooms these days and security and cameras and Wi-Fi. Anyway, they're like, "These are these are terrible portables. They don't have pass bond issues." But you know, when we built high schools in Com, we always built it with additional portable padding available. And I
025never built our schools over because I was always afraid that we have declining enrollment at some point. And guess what? There's declining enrollment all over the state of Texas. You know, the main driver of that is birth rate issues. I don't know if you've seen birth rate to birth rate from year to year. It's down and it's consistently down. And you got to anticipate that with this transition, you're going to lose potentially nearly 10% if not more next school year. So while that number is right now 900, everybody stays, you could lose about 100 kids on top of that. And you have this home school effect, the virtual school effect, you might lose another 5% on top of that. So you might lose a total of 150 kids out of that 900 kids. So you'd
026be potentially down to about 850 kids to start out with an elementary grade. So in my opinion it still makes it worthwhile to consolidate. The other aspect of consolidation helps out on your accountability. Right now your third grade sitting alone does not help in your accountability. Because one of the ways to win accountability is on what's known as growth. That third grade stands alone. There's no growth accountability and that hurts you. So having combined this situation will help getting this accountability situation set up. I'm meeting tomorrow in fact with tea to finalize plans about this consolidation plan to make sure that they're good with it. Thumbs up ready to go. So I'll know tomorrow late afternoon with an idea give a green light. We're going to consolidate. So regardless whether or not you make a
027decision tonight about the bond, we're going to go in and consolidate. We're going to help have a bond issue to make that work? Yes and no. Would it would it help out with the cost structure of the portables perhaps fix of the roads and so forth? Sure. Is that a necessary or a need or a desire? That's for the community to determine at the election polls to be quite honest. My definition of a need versus a taxpayers's definition of a need is two different things. in Camal ISD. I've got accused of buying air conditioned school buses when a lot of the German folks who settled in your rumble said we never had air conditioned buses. You're spending all that money on air conditioned buses. Guess what? I'm not going to vote for this. But today,
028these buses come with air conditioning. Can't do nothing about that. And I also got to buy buses with seat belts by law, which means they're about $150,000 a pop. So this is what it comes down to. That will be determined in the polls. The question here tonight is, do you think this is a viable option under the current political situation that you have to deal with? And do you want to put that out there for the community to determine that situation and also settle the board managers and future superintendent to come in go and work on that situation? Do I think that you will still probably participate, be active? I hope so. I think I believe that to be true, especially if you vote already tonight. So with that, Mr. President, I'm going to turn
029it back over to you and the board members for any technical questions and thoughts about this election or the bond going forward here. >> Well, the conversation I had with you the other day was Mr. Timmons, correct me if I'm wrong, but we have been told that if we if we don't vote on a bond that there's potential future boards, future whoever that's going to pay the price of if we lose this this advantage that we have right this moment then they're going to have to go out for a much much higher pennies next time. Am I am I correct? If I can answer that question Mr. for there certainly if you the mechanics are such that if you do not go out for a bond election because you have no debt essentially as a
030school district which is a good thing by the way your INS tax rate your interest in seeking tax rate which is your debt payments if you will that would literally go down to zero >> because we've done a good job of paying it off >> right because in the past you did what's known as a defeasence big SAT work by the way you ask me to spell I don't know how to do it. Anyway, you did a defeasance which is basically paying down on your principal just like a mortgage payment would be. It's an extra mortgage payment and you're done. As a result of that, if you incur no additional debt, you'll have a zero tax rate on that rate. As a result of that, if you go out, a future board wants to go
031out for a $10 million bond initiative, there could be a tax rate associated with that based upon that current year property values. So, your tax rate is never going to be a fixed rate. It's hard to predict tomorrow's tax rates, two-year tax rates, because your values potentially could always go up. In the state of Texas, I have never known the state values ever going down. Now, there was one year, 2008, 2009, that stabilized one year, but every other year it's going up and up and up. Ask your appraisal districts. What that means is that it doesn't have to be a larger rate that goes up regardless of the the amount. The amount of that will be potentially two cents, 5 cents, 10 cents. It's hard to predict based upon the amount, >> but we've already
032seen it. We We have a living proof of that right down the road. We saw what they had to go through and what they tried to pass for a very minimal amount of money. >> You're talking about a nearby school district. >> Yeah. We've already seen what they had to do and got told that why did they do that to the district? Why did they do that to the community? and they're very supportive, very very supportive of it. And I I >> I think every district has a different circumstance as to why. I don't know the mechanics. I don't know which district you're referring to. Is that is that there? I don't know which one you're talking about there. There's a district >> actual ISD. >> It's a small district here and my wife works
033there and and they're very supportive. My daughters both live there. They're very supportive community. But because they had no debt, they were going out for a 35 or 50 cent. It was a 50 cent. That's what it was. That's what it was going to be. And that's where we're going to be if we're not careful. >> Well, I don't know what the dollar amount that they were going out for. My I'm sure I'm not their financial advisor. Do not know their tax rate issue, but I would think that their overall property values are pretty low price values. So 50 cents is what probably incurs that amount. So, it's it all depends on your values of your community in terms of how much you go to your tax rate. What I'm saying is this. Um, should
034you make a decision based upon a future tax rate concerns? I'm not really sure >> what happens to our golden pennies. >> That's on the N side. >> Okay. >> So, that's on the maintenance side, not on the side. It has no bearing on your interest in syncing side. >> Okay. >> That's a good question though. Well, we might be in that position anyway because our community is not supportive. Not whatsoever. >> They have come way around. >> They have and we so many more know but not enough. >> The alumni association is very potent right now. >> And I would I would love >> some headstrong people. >> That's correct. And they're supportive of the district. >> Very very supportive of the district. Well, are they going to get out and vote? >> I
035mean, how many >> Clifford Anderson's going to be standing right beside you? >> How many will actually go and vote? Oh, we know we need school. What are we getting a school? >> Eight in his family. >> Eight. >> I mean, he we've got some very much potential possibility. To me, this is the best one we've got to pass right now because of the light of all of this. because of TEA coming in. I think our community has backed us right now better than they have ever. 100 people stood in this room. We've never had a hundred people. Well, I take that back because we've had families and all that at award at award ceremonies, but room was packed out >> to represent us. Yes. To tea was here. >> Packed out. Now, I know
036some of them are staff and yes, agreed. We don't have the staff to pass by the staff side of it. But you the very first thing you said was that we as a board are deciding on the future for future boards. That's every day. Every decision we make, we don't know if we're going to get reelected the next time. We're voting on a on a decision today based on a new superintendent, a new board, a new board right here, a team of eight. We've changed. I That to me is Yes, I understand. And you made the comment to me that there's a potential for a problem because we're voting on something that someone else is going to have to carry and we already know that. But that's every day. Miss Coker and Mr. Reigns are
037both running this year. Both of them have applied to run rerun again and they don't know if they're going to get reelected. Whatever decision we make, if it was for the whatever the call the board or not, that decision is still there. We're making the decision. I don't know if you know or not. Mr. Reigns, kids graduated from our district. Miss Coker, kids graduated from our district. Mr. Lowry, kids graduated from our district. Myself. Miss McCartney Johnson, kids graduated from our district. Miss Davis, kids graduated from our district. We're not, and I know there's other districts, and I know you may have come from districts that the people don't support, but we're not that district. We're not those people. We are here because we have vested interest. >> I will tell you that your best
038indication of performance is your past performance and you have three bonds and you failed. >> There are way different circumstances today than >> I understand but it's just that once again coming out with a certain dollar amount to do that you're going to have to calculate the political wins of that situation and that I don't know. >> And so um Well, I've been called a liar multiple times and I've got plenty of thick skin and I can take it because I didn't lie to them once. I didn't lie to them and what I told them was every bit of the truth and I'm okay with that. If they don't want to believe that I'm a liar or not, that's their problem, not mine. What my job is is what I stood up here and swore
039is that I'm going to protect the kids of Connie ISD. I don't care about Kamal ISD. I care about Connie ISD. I want to make sure we're doing what's right for our kids. My wife's aunt wrote this school song. My mother-in-law and my wife both graduated from here. We're not going to roll back over and we're not going to go no, we're not part of this. I come back for election next time. I'm I plan right this moment to run again. I m Mr. Well, I guess you tell me what are we going to go out for? What is the amount? Great question. So, um, just looking at what I consider to be a need relative to the school consolidation and the things that we might need to have an enhancement if the board decides
040to go for a bond initially. Um, there are potential two propositions and that's because the law dictates that you have to have that depending on what you're going out for. In Proposition A, the first proposition, we're looking at somewhere around $4.85 million. That's inclusive of additional construction for portable installation expansion, railway construction, which is the largest amount at $2 million or so, paving the road for parking space behind the current primary building, and about $350,000. school buses replacement for $1.550 million and then HVAC systems replacing some of the units at $300,000 in the estimated amount. When you add that total, it comes out to be 4.8500 or 4.85 million. Proposition B will be technology. your laptop replacement schedule at a million dollar. Actually, it's a million dollar $30,000. So, we're looking at a um total
041amount of $5 million $880,000 for your bond deduction coming up as a need. If you were to do that and decide on that tonight uh your tax rate information, you still will have a decrease in your tax rate, but you will maintain a tax rate potentially relative to that number and it's somewhere around David, can you help me out? >> The decrease uh if both prop A and prop B, you would need a decrease of uh 10 cents >> approximately 103. So you're at 17 cents >> 16 and a half >> 16 and a2. >> So you'll be maintaining or carrying forward about a six pennies or six cents on your INS risk >> in order to go ahead and carry the debt service on a $5.8 million bond issuance. Man, that's pretty good to
042me. We're decreasing them by 10 cents. Is that what I heard you say? >> about 10.01. what I you said. >> Yes, sir. >> We're rounding the numbers just a tad. >> Correct. 100%. I I understand that. But >> so we're decreasing their and that was what they said. They don't want any taxes. We're not increasing their taxes. So we're decreasing to say I am fully aware of that. The verbiage has to say we're increasing because the state of Texas makes us say that. The truth is that we're decreasing it by 10 cents. And our our Well, you want to say that we're not we're raising their taxes. How are we gonna say we're raising their taxes? >> I mean, I know the verbiage says that, >> but is that a lie? >> Well, here's
043what I look at. I always look at it from a taxpayers perspective because one of these days I'm going to be sitting in a rocking chair complaining about everything. All right. >> Oh, I already do. >> And if I if I'm that guy, then I'm going to say, you've been telling me that you could have gone to zero, but you're going to increase it by six cents. So, you're actually increasing my taxes by six cents. You see my point there? >> I do. >> That's how I'm going to say it. That's how you got to think about it. >> Now, from a what I'm saying is if you're going to try to convince a voter, you have to understand what they're thinking about this situation. >> And that's how I'm going to think about it
044from a voter's perspective and then I'm going to need to talk to that gentleman to say who's sitting in the market chair. name is Andrew Kim said, "You know what? That's true, but would you be okay with the six cents, even though it's not zero, to help support this area in order to make sure that our schools that one book in is in a good situation or good shape?" That's how I would phrase it. Now, have I been successful with that? >> Yes. >> Well, I just But I have to acknowledge that that point of view. >> Sure. And if we don't, we're fools. I mean, that's the truth of it. But we also we are decreasing their taxes >> by 10 cents. >> You can say that, but you got to say the first
045I think you got to say the first thing first. >> They don't even know. >> I know. >> You go ask anyone in our community. >> I know. >> What does the tax rate mean? And not a one of them are going to understand it. That's the advantage that we do have. Yeah, >> they have a lot of misinformation >> and they're going to get a lot of misinformation because there is a community right up the road that that lady has lots of money to pay for to say no on everything and she's going to do it again. I'm sure the minute if we vote for this, she's going to go out for one for $10. >> No, a penny. That's correct. >> I will tell you right now that the needs that is right
046now is at 5.880. 880 million roundabout. Um, two propositions. Uh, I have actually did a quick walk of your campus last time I was here. Your superintendent and David and a few others walk with me. I don't disagree that fourth and five campus. Terrible. >> Horrible. >> True. >> Well, the roofs already got ripped off during during a tornado. >> I went halfway into the the boy's restroom. >> He didn't even see. It didn't go all the way. >> Yeah, it's bad. >> I I haven't seen one of those in a long time. >> So, I get it. And I don't I also believe that it's a point of pride. And you know, when you see those faces of the fourth and fifth graders who are, by the way, a very critical age and they're
047surrounded by that hallway, um the dim lining and so forth, it was it was not a good situation. There's no doubt. Um and uh So moving them regardless of the bond issue to the other campus is the right thing to do. I'd rather be in a portable than that one. >> Um and the portable is going to be a nice portable. I have a many of those portables with >> they are >> they're nice and let me tell you my teachers I used to teach in a portable. You know what I love about portables? I got to control my own thermostat. >> It was always cold. >> Always cold. >> Can I interject real fast on that? >> Sure. Um, would you tell them? So, the we didn't have a chance to talk about the
048ones that I had specifically looked at, but do you want to describe the >> So, actually, uh, I guess it's probably been two months ago or so whenever we were at SLA or our superintendent leadership academy at region 12. Uh, one of the sponsors there, it's called Brown for they're actually out of Brian, Texas, and they presented and it's more of a um, I guess what they would call a permanent portable solution where they actually prefab like a cement >> slab and then they actually construct it and then they bring it here and and we'll drop it so it actually has a concrete slab so it's not having to be blocked up like so so many >> house right >> and I mean looking at some of the pictures and configurations and it's actually a
049former superintendent Jerry Maze was the one that was there presenting and talking about it and they have a 125day turnaround from being able to design it, construct it, and and actually get it in place. Um, and even there was a district who was there that they are using them to build employee houses on some of the school property, you know, as far as to get teachers housing that's affordable. they're in the district and they were saying that the cost of them doing a house that way is very, you know, >> is much less >> the cost before as a kind of an alternative was really it was like why spend this money when we could build a school for a little bit more was but I grew up I didn't grow up in Texas but
050I grew we we used portable all the time and they were always way cooler they're bigger more light lots lot because they weren't put in a configuration where there wasn't as I mean I had a problem with them, but I grew up with them. So, for me, it's not that big of a deal. It was the cost compared to a new building was why it was for me it was such a brand new today, >> renting them or whatever. >> Brand new today's price is about 50 at least 50 to $55 million. That's when you think about furniture, security, Wi-Fi, >> you know, that's quite a bit. A high school today, my last high school that I built, Piper High School on 281, that was $175 million. In today's dollars, it's at least $350 million
051to build that school. 20 years ago, that was $125 million high school. >> So, where are we going to get the money if we don't? >> So, if if the bond is not called for, there are some additional dollars result of the consolidation that you'll save >> and some of that dollars will be used to go ahead and get the portables in place. So, that's what we're thinking about because you're reducing property insurance, you're reducing potentially staff and so forth. Obviously, utility costs, which may be, you know, not the largest amount, but certainly significant from up there. >> Um, you know, uh, like I said, you have to decide is that 5 million 85.8 8 million or so. Knowing your you knowing the political climate of the district and whether or not that would be
052advertising enough for voters to come out and actually vote for that amount under the circumstances. I don't I don't have a good barometer to figure out whether or not that's that's that's good or not. You have to figure that out here tonight. That's what we're talking about here tonight. The unfortunate thing is you have to make a decision tonight. That's correct. What? You talked to Miss Peoples >> and she knows about this. >> No, she does not know about this. This all just >> All right. >> They were aware of discussions and she was one of the ones that was here last Thursday at the at the meeting. >> Miss >> and I know she doesn't live here and she can't vote. >> She told me that >> she may live here by her dad
053back into the district. And Miss President, if I may, you know, if you need to call a couple people to gauge the temperature, you can recess for 15 minutes to do that. Come back and call. >> I think yes, I would like to do that. I think I would want to call her. >> She said she would help. >> She mentioned that to me the other night. >> Well, I I will say this. We had about a hundred individuals, all 65 and older, at our Valentine's lunchon on Tuesday and everybody was just extremely supportive as far as of the school district, you know, kind of as a whole. And I will say um Miss Miss Lindsay, I always have to call her Miss Linda Peoples Lindsay rolls off my tongue that way, but uh Miss
054Lindsay and uh Mr. Anderson both got up and talked and said, you know, they reframed as far as the name of it. It's no longer just Conley alumni. It's Connley Alumni Family and Friends Association is what they redid it for. >> And she is I mean I applaud her. She is making calls and she is beating that drum. found it really simple, you know, as far as to come out. And even last year, >> they had what was it 60 day or something like that and they raised like over $30,000 just from a lump and calling them and saying, "Will you donate, you know, everybody in your class donate?" I don't remember it was 10 or $20 and like the class of 61 or something like that was the largest or you know >> sad
055to say the ones that are >> way back they help more than the ones >> they got a lot more extra money some of them >> so and I mean they've started awarding scholarships and they've started you know doing some of those those things and they were even up here on the day that we did the food distribution in December >> and um it was pretty pretty short notice that we gave her because she was here on Thursday night for the town hall and then I personally called her and said, "Hey, we're going to do another meeting." Um, wasn't real sure how that meeting was going to be framed. And I told her at that point in time, there may be some discussion about what the needs are and the potential for going out for
056a bomb. I'll be there. >> I wanted to call you Miss Cunningham. >> Yeah. >> Or she was Yeah. And I was about to say they they were here wasn't here on Father's Day, but know that Miss Cunningham was. >> But um >> Mr. President, >> like I said, if you want to do that, I would suggest that you call for a 15 recess and then make some phone calls and we can reconvene. >> Let me see here. Glasses off. I'm going to make a motion that we recess for 15 minutes. watch 7:15. >> Motion to say on the floor. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Miss Davis >> I. >> Miss Johnson. >> I. >> Myself. I Mr. Lowry. >> I. >> Miss Coker. >> I. >> All voting for. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank
057you. >> 15 minutes exactly. Uh, I call this meeting. I guess I call a meeting. Do I just >> We're back in. >> Can I ask a question? >> Of course. >> How is that going to affect because you know, everyone's kind of fighting this data processing thing right now. >> It's not a vote. Thank goodness. >> The data processing. >> I mean, that's not a vote. >> The data center's not a vote. >> We have a data center they're trying to build out. and that our community unfortunately went our leaders went to Hawaii to sign a document and that has stirred up a hornets nest. >> Yeah. >> So I just didn't know if that was already because we already have a bunch of people that are just so upset about all of that
058happening and they swear all of their stuff's going to go up because of the center going in. I just didn't know if that would kind of factor into oh six you know. Well, that's a good point if I may. Um, there there are a bunch of these data centers going up a lot throughout the state of Texas outside for example, outside of uh Honda Castville. >> In fact, the superintendent, a good friend of mine is the CFO and they're kind of dealing with that. These data centers, I will tell you that >> these Bitcoin mines are rougher, but the data centers are going in. What it does is it elevates your your price values. It doesn't create necessarily new jobs though. >> So, but it elevates your market value or your appraised values or your
059values of the district. >> Um, so that does have an impact. Um, it has impact on water, it has impact on roads. >> And so, so you will have some of that. Now, that's not necessarily a concern as Mr. Carr points out. the the situation is that because your appraised values of your community or your school district boundaries will go up relative to that value >> and how the appraisal district values it. >> Yeah. >> Now depending on how they value that and typically will come on the roll the tax role. So let's just say it gets built next year and the following year on your tax role. So you have a larger property value which then forces your rate to go down. on your ins because you don't need pennies are worth because your
060denominator is worth more, right? So it actually that potential six pennies we're talking about could be a little bit lower. You could actually keep that rate to do the fees and pay down that thing faster. So in that regard as a school district entity, you actually want more values to increase. It's not great for me the local community members, homeowners and so on and so on. But in like in you know my experience um we had 49% residential rooftops and 49% uh businesses and buildings and commercial property and a 2% a exemption. So that balances out the fact that the tax burden is spread out equally to all folks. Does that make sense there >> with rooftop fols getting exemptions. Commercial property do not get set exemptions. They might get a tax break or some
061of the chapter 313 agreements and different things of baitments, but they home owners are going to getting the $140,000 or more 65 and over in terms of the additional exemptions, right? So, so in that regard, it's a good thing. you rather have HBS coming in rather than potentially it creates jobs and jobs create means that there's more kids coming in more residents coming in and that's a good thing because your number one thing that you got to think about is how many customers do we have in our school district and right now you're losing customers >> so you got to think you got to think in terms of market share commonly I sees the market share of the number of kids customers in the Waco region is what that's what you got to think about
062and how do we attract that right how do you attract people to come to your storefront come over here to shop over here and that's how you got thinking in terms of uh the way you think about school business in today's world >> it's not helping with the RV park Any other questions? >> Well, I will just say Miss People's asked as far as the opinion on it, just knowing what the enrollment is at each campus and the fact that there are campuses out there that run PE preK through five with almost our entire enrollment. >> Oh yeah. >> I I mean you'll have that they'll have 1,200 kids in an elementary that is prek through five. >> To me that is not an issue. And it is advantageous because you can definitely see when
063you're on a campus the different leadership and the expectations and how tightly they hold to the expectations in in the classroom and so forth like that. So if our kids have fewer transitions throughout their school history, they are way better off >> campus right up here at the elementary >> and the wing it had,50 kids when I started working here >> and everybody was just happy as a you know they just it worked very efficiently and very well. >> Daisy Daisy changed campuses every other year since she was in high school the way the campuses work. Correct. And that is not that is >> she still graduated top 10 of her class but >> still >> also she has good parent. Good parent. >> Yes, she did. She >> but you know our kids deal
064with so many other transitions in their home life. The fewer we can provide them in the school environment the better they are. And that was the whole reason that we were starting to look at different you know >> we were fixing >> consolidation plans >> not maybe this but >> right right we were looking at options to reduce our number of campuses >> correct >> because that is the best thing but kids this is the best absolutely and this is the best thing you know whenever it comes down to the accountability >> configuration >> I have said it a hundred times school business does not run like real business ever and it needs to. >> I think we look at it too is we're trying to help ourselves too by trying to >> right >>
065consolidate and move away from the >> right and some of that that you know just the cost savings whenever you just talk about utilities. I mean it was we we figured it out one day just between um so every time you have a a software you have to pay a licensing agreement and how much it was you're talking $30,000 just in that. You're talking about almost $100,000. >> Yeah. >> For uh the the utilities just at the elementary for the It was more than that. >> Yeah. Um I don't remember the exact number. Yes. >> I want to say it was like Yeah. It was it was a whole lot more than that. And then you're talking about the maintenance of the buildings and so forth. The one thing that I think you're going to
066have to be very careful about with that elementary being so close to 35, you have to secure it. >> Well, so many vandals >> um just because of vandalism and because we have seen homeless people yeah camp out in our dugout so if they can figure out how >> so I do think consolidating and reconfiguring and you know whoever is the principal of that campus they are going to need a real heads up and start planning as far as scheduling wise as far as with the kiddos and specials so >> how many >> I agree with So, uh that's 10 um that 1.55 figure the last year when we bought the bus with the uh the air quality grant to get it I mean everything more expensive but to get it you know all the
067features added that follow the line of what our current fleet has it's that 155,000 per bus was what the price was last year more that today. >> Sure. >> But that that puts you around 10. Um I don't have those numbers right believe we have 34 buses on the fleet. I think there's a additional four that um are in the fleet but not in the fleet. >> Correct. >> And so 10 >> I believe eight are 10 years or newer. So if you do the math on those 10 would put us pretty close of thing that we've talked with Texas rural about is obviously when enrollment drops your number of routes should should also drop. >> There's a world where 10 buses get you almost all of your route buses or at least your most
068of your route buses and your trip buses are all within 10 years old. >> What's the turnaround time for getting a bus from the time because I know during co it was like a year that six months now. >> So HVAC at So I asked Mr. Richard for an estimate of how many and uh I believe if we are consolidating and no longer utilizing the elementary where we have just purchased new units those units can be moved to other places. So 30 units should um at the very least it will put us closer to back on an HVAC cycle. Uh I think these 30 units are prioritized to we have some units that are coming up on 20 years old >> and so according to the study construction is the >> other campuses. >> That's
069what we classified as construction. >> We clarified that before we >> roadway two and then the parking. Do we know what that an estimate on that? >> That's the 350,000. So, uh, and that is if you're familiar like when you go up to the primary where it's travel there, it's actually going in and paving it, >> you know, from where that road turns off. because that parking lot was never well and now we're fixing to increase the number of staff there too. So >> is that you know I'm estimating I think if I'm correct beginning of this school we lost a total of 184 kids that's just your elementary grades. So if you repeat that performance next year you're looking at potentially 200 kids and you're at 94. So you may begin the school year
070in the elementary 700 or so 720 let's just say to be lucky but let's just say 700 worst case situation you may not even need the portals. So um so the timing of that is going to be important. So we don't want to put something in that we don't use. >> Correct. >> That's not going to use the taxpayer dollars. >> Correct. >> So >> we have to be really judicious and thoughtful about that. If uh your superintendent's right, if the turnaround on these boards are such that you could wait as long as you can >> figure that out and I will wait to do that. Once again, as tough as it is and hard as it is, you have to be a sort of a lacking indicator and not build something thinking that something's
071going to happen in the future. That's not the school business. >> They're not coming if we build, right? >> So, um I would just be cautious about that situation. However, you know, it's built into the budget, >> right? >> And so, uh I think the biggest cost right here is probably your roads. Um and then of course your buses and probably the technology. Now, talking with your technology director, uh because of the fact that the state is moving as you know through online testing testing on the digital devices I hate to say it but we're going to need those things right so the refresh of those things is important however one of the things I'll talk to your technology director is to make sure that those are what's known as a sort of a deferred
072maintenance schedule so that you're not having to replace it all at once every five years right >> that's a million dollars so what you want to get to is a point of trying to save your M dollars And every year you set aside. It's like you would do like a savings account. Like I used to go and put money aside every year for banking changes >> because I didn't want to use debt side to go and pay for bond uh to you can't anyway. But you know you put sort of what I call restrictive fund balances. So I put money in these things to replace various things. So I have five high schools who had to replace band uniforms and it was on a rotation schedule. So that's what those are things that you have
073to do to make it work. And then what that means though is that you have to cut somewhere to do that. You can't do everything. And so but will this set you up for the future? Yes. Do you think that you could pass this bond? That's up to you to decide and think about here now. You know, I overheard I eased dropped on the phone conversation a few minutes ago the recess. I don't know. I I don't have a barometer of this community. >> It's a toss >> and you know um and uh general was pointing out the fact that I I used to go to the HV every night on on I35 on 306 as an H plus >> during the campaigning season which was every year for me. I literally go every night
074voting and I would uh obviously running to my parents and folks and I knew who voted. I didn't know how they voted, but I would get the vote on well clerk every day and I knew who whose names are on there or whose names were not. >> Could use your help, that's for sure. >> Regardless of that, I used to always say, I know you didn't vote. Just by me pointing at the finger at you, say you didn't vote. They're like, "Oh my gosh, yes I did, Mr. Kim." No, you did not. I knew they're going to be on the line tomorrow to vote. >> Yeah. >> So anyway, my point is you have to go to This is where the voters are. And the last place you need to campaign is at your schools.
075You have to go where if there's a local breakfast shop, donut shop, that's where you got to go and sit there. >> That's what Heather did >> all day. You have to go where the voters are. And and if you have a voter meetings, the ones who are going to show are the ones who are supportive of it. Well, you have to go in people who who are apathetic about it. That's who you got to go and get out and vote. Your turnout in early voting, you you will always win on early voting. You will always lose in my definition on election day. So, you have to have enough votes going into election day. Does that make sense there? >> That's correct. >> Because election day, you're going to lose. You're going to go 7030
076against you on election day. So what I do is I calculate depending on the previous May election cycle. Well, I can teach you this how to do it. I'm just saying you got to go and think about running the data of your previous May turnouts and you have a voter role for your county clerk. >> They'll provide you the name and the birthday. >> They can't provide you how they voted. No one knows that. No one should. they will know who vote and you they'll look at their birthdays and you figure out how many are 65 in order. How many are uh 64 to 55? And then you cross cross reference that with your PE data to see how many of those are parents. And you'll find out that not many are your parents. >>
077Not many are your teachers. Maybe 20% will be. That's about it. That means everybody else is a taxpayer who don't have kids in your schools. So you got to find out where do they go around here. And that's where you got to go. That's where you got to go. >> Do it. You're gonna be here. So, we got your help. >> Now, y'all y'all complain about my hourly charge. So, I'm just, you know, I'm just telling you, >> hey, we got to save money somewhere. Come on now. I mean, it's a coin toss here. >> And and we've done all of that or we did all of that in the last election. And I will tell you, there are two addresses here that have more voters than what actually turned out in the entire election.
078And we did and we had a couple of people who went and we knocked on doors and passed out information. We offered rides, everything. Um, and I think we ended up with three people >> those apartments complexes that actually voted >> actually. >> So, and that was and I mean that was a and we sent, you know, I mean Mr. went over. Coach Snell went over there. Mr. Clayton went over there. So, it but they were out there in advance and said he the next time I'm gonna be there on the day with my car started and running. I don't care if they're in their slippers and their hair. He goes, "We are going." >> So, >> it's a very difficult thing I've said. I think that u I mean, you have to really think
079about who's your primary voters. They're the ones who are going to be frequent flyers and you have to talk with them. You have to get to where they are. >> The veterans group for example, >> I know >> they're important group that >> but I know that um I know that most veteran groups that I dealt with, the fact that you showed up is what matters. And I used to show up Shrimp Fest every year. I cleaned up Shrimp Fest. I bought the floors after Shrimp Fest with the Lions Club in K you know um you know I did that on a Saturday nights. U so you know I think that matter I didn't have to talk anything about I talk about any numbers the fact that I showed up and help the floors you
080go. There you go. Because no one understands this. This is hard. No one understands tax break. >> They care because you know what? You care to show up. If you don't show up and you don't care about that, well then why should I vote for it? Especially that I'm a freaking flyer. And I don't have any more kids in here. I'm going to be that guy sitting on the rocking chair complaining about it one of these days. >> I will be >> because you know how it runs. >> I was saying one person that you could ask is the one who has to defend this on social media. >> Yeah. >> Uh >> who lives in the community? >> Yeah. >> Who is our teacher? Um I think the first question you have to ask
081yourself um that we have not acknowledged is that functionally the day-to-day operations of our school day with the consolidation plan could occur theoretically August without a bond. Now will it be cramped? Will it be ugly? Yes. Will the road probably ruin some cars? Yes. But can we school children August 2026 in a pre-K through 5 building? Yes. What are you leveraging for the need and the time frame of this to our community? Number one, because if you frame this as we have to consolidate these grades because it will improve instruction, it will improve accountability, it improves discipline, and then it fails. you have lost credibility forever because we lied to them because we're still going to be able to do it. Additionally, Miss Davis brought up a good point. We've only had 13% turnout in
082the two years that I've been here to watch our elections and we know that our community right now is more politically engaged and they are very, very angry >> and they are distrustful of governmental authorities. and they have already been distrustful of our school district. Now, I agree. I think that we do have a lot of support coming out right now. Number one, support on Facebook is not support on the polls. >> That's correct. >> And some of the people that are loud and supportive, which I'm very appreciative of because they make my job a little bit easier, do not live in our district. >> Yeah, >> that is concerning. There's also general distrust of the bond process right now. There's a lot of talk in our community of are bond funds being used appropriately?
083Is the timeline following? Is the this that and the other, right? Which has nothing to do with us because our bond failed. But there's a lot of misinformation out there and there's a lot of issues with that. Now, I understand and I'm a big proponent of what this would do to help protect us in the long run. I do fully understand the argument that if we let all of these pennies go away, the job will be more difficult than ever to pass something in the future, even if it is just a six-cent increase and you get to do whatever. Okay? I I know that. Okay? And I would be want to say it might be impossible, but Mr. Kim has raised a good point that I do believe in and that we've had people articulate
084that if we can make improvements to the quality of product that we're putting out, the job gets easier. Because if you can deprive the naysayers who are going to naysay everything, we could have give out free puppies day and there will still be people that will be upset, but they lose oxygen for that fire when we can consistently put out here are all the great things that are happening. Here's the great turnaround that we've made. Here's something more than sports or competitive UIL academics. I I'll give myself a shout out there or whatever it might be. Right? So, I know how I would vote at the polls. I know what I believe in as an educator. I know what I believe in as a third generation employee and a second generation graduate. I do think
085that we are getting caught up in hype right now though and not necessarily fully understanding that just because people are turning their Facebook profile picture to the CC's does not mean that they aren't also at the dinner table saying, "And what the heck happened? So don't believe the hype to be true actual call for action and support. >> No, but it helps. >> It makes me feel better and it does. >> You know, I want to say I'm not against the B. As you know, I passed several bonds. So it's not like I'm against that. Um I believe that you also have to invest in your schools just as well. Right. So I get that question is timing. >> Yeah. >> The question is whether or not you think that there is unfortunately I I
086can't answer that for you. I haven't been here long enough to understand the political climate. So you have to weigh that and I'm sorry that you think about this tonight. Uh but u you know this is why I think the staff here made it the most um the most feasible at 5.8 change because if it was the total max relative to your tax rate there's no way I don't I wouldn't say you can pass that >> but it is 5.8 uh I believe like example last election Robinson failed that was number so but midway passed but that's midway argue that McGregor passed a year ago I believe or two. So there are there are signs in the area but you know why aren't those things pass there's you know a lot of it is stability
087a lot of it is different political things and you have to gauge that you have to figure out whether that's that's where you stand >> does this bond help yeah it's going to help buses I mean you know potential improvements to the road yeah it's it's gonna it's going to help Um, could you go even lower than the amount to pass the bond? >> Sure, you could. You could eliminate, you know, the roads, you know, uh, do you, you know, do you really need a brand new road in order to have school? Some will say that I walked on snow and gravel school, >> all kinds of stuff, right? >> I'm getting that age. I think I could be saying that myself. I hope I don't. But anyway, you could so you could knock out
088$2 million off of this to make it three million or a $3 million exchange. A >> three versus a five is any different, >> right? So is a three and a five. >> Really we this is >> what they what they have access for. >> Well, they've every time we've gone out, well that building's fine. You can just fix it. >> And so technically this is along the same lines. >> This is what you asked for. Hey, we're fixing it. We're not We still can't use that building because we need to get rid of that. What? We're going to do this. It's going to cost a fifth or an eighth of what we asked for before, >> but it's the timing. >> So, if we don't go out for it, if we as a board
089say no, how many of these things are we going to have to pay for no matter what? >> Potentially portables. >> Portables. >> Eventually, we'll need buses. >> Eventually, we need the road fixed. technology >> and you'll slowly um you know we're going to have a budget amendment Monday and one of the things we're going to talk about that's not in it is the fact that compressors on HVAC units that used to cost $1,000 18 months ago now cost $2,600. So, you know, at some point you're gonna have to start cycling through HVAC, but but really in terms of August the 1, you need to have a modular classroom set up over at that to make this consolidation plan work. >> Well, it could go lower. The normal could drop though. >> True. I mean
090if if nothing changed today your your question is if you say no today today you would you would have to consider modular buildings >> but that might not be the case >> I think you're going to leave some students I hate to say that but I'm sure you will just on birth rate kindergarten the incoming numbers to the graduation class always be lower now >> for a while >> and I do want to mention also while we're talking modulars. Um the the ones that Mr. Richard has been gathering and and obviously when we get to the point where we may or may not have to pull a trigger, one of the things we've asked for every time is if they have lease or lease to own options because maybe you need them for a year
091and then it drops and then year two you don't need them anymore. And so um in that regard it's not going to cost you a lot on the side, >> right? >> So once again the consolidation will save you some money. quite a bit of money. Sure. So, um the desire is not to spend all that, but at the same time, you'll have some of that to use towards at least at least the portals. The technology I will say is the one that I would worry about because I think there's a change >> uh and you got to have it in the future. So, um that is the situation there. Um so, I think that'll be the case. So worst case scenario, we go we go out for we don't get it. >> We just
092don't get right. >> As pessimistic as I have become about the bond because I've been through so many failed ones. >> Yeah. >> If we vote no, there isn't 100% chance it will pass. So >> yeah, >> we don't we have maybe a chance if we say yes, but I don't >> I mean >> what's that what's that saying? Don't try >> but at the same time The worst they can say is no. >> And so yeah, so >> the one thing when I was talking to Mr. Kim about the bond is we're not how many times has said you're trying to build this Taj Mahal and I told him >> I am very thankful that it didn't pass. >> Yeah. >> Because with as many students as we have lost our enrollment today as
093of today was 1,961 and it's been running the last two weeks between 1,956 to 1,00 you know 961. It seems like it's kind of the the steady point. Um and we had 33 kids this year that withdrew to homeschool just since day one of school. And and I even inquired like will we get to know if someone in our district is getting because they'll know when they are awarded their voucher sometime in April. >> Like will school districts because that's going to have a significant impact, you know, on a lot of districts and kind of >> you still got to provide all the special ed, you still got to provide all the other to those kids. >> You're correct. I do. But we also have some who will see, oh, I get $2,000 and I
094can >> keep them for a month and send them back to school. Yeah, that was going to happen. >> We do still have that advantage. We were trying I mean, we had that argument that you said don't you didn't want a new building. This is alternative because they're losing for vouchers and stuff. We're trying to do what is being asked of us and go a different route. I mean, it's a whole different amount than what we asked for the last time. >> Oh, significant. >> They can't they can't spite us for trying to help. I mean, we're still trying to do >> I am going to make another statement, Mr. to not say it, but but I will say this because if you are the board that calls for it and another one is in
095the seat whenever the board goes on, it can never this is not TEA requesting this, >> right? >> And I would expect every one of you to say if someone goes, well, is TEA no tea is not telling us >> right >> that we need to go out for bomb for any of this. Um I mean Mr. Kim is the closest connection to them and and he's already giving you the input and and I don't want anybody to >> try to swing it that way or whatever and you know if anyone does or makes an indication that needs to be stopped because that is not that is not TA they would actually advise more against it you know >> but I just wanted to make that clear because I do feel some may try to
096draw that through with this >> and that is not >> that that needs to be made very clear. So >> in fact that probably it' be a probably a joint press release to say that is it not a push by tea. >> Well that's going to hurt us. >> No we don't have to have one. I'm just saying if it's asked for one >> right >> because I know there's there's a journalist Markeel >> probably ask me do you support that? I said we do not election nor support it or unsupport it. >> It's a neutral situation. >> Whatever. I want to do whatever is the best. Whatever. >> I make a motion to adopt the order calling for a school blind election. >> There's actually more verbage. >> Hold on. I got blow it
097up for you. >> Yes, you do because I took my contact out. So, You better blow it up real big. All right, there we go. I agree that I move that the board of trustees adopt the orders calling school build school building bond election as a as presented. >> Do I need to read? >> No, that was just if you were going to change the amounts or whatever you say with the proposition >> A and B. Okay. So, it's motion and second on the floor. Any further discussion? >> Stephen Carter made the motion. Keith Lowry seconded to approve to adopt the order calling school building bond election as presented which is proposition A being in the amount of $4,850,000 and Proposition B being in the amount of $1,30,000. Motion on the floor. Any further discussion?
098Hearing none. Miss Davis >> I. >> Miss Johnston. >> Hi. >> Myself I. Mr. Lowry. >> Hi. >> Miss Coker. >> Mr. Black is absent and Mr. Reigns is absent. All voting for. Motion carries. I move to postpone indefinitely the order to call for a board of trustees election for county independent school district. Carter made a motion Heather McCartney Johnston second to postpone the order to call for a board of trustees election for independent school. >> Motion for any further discussion hearing none. Miss Dian Davis >> I. >> Miss Heather Marty Johnson. >> Myself I Mr. Lowry >> Miss Coker >> Mr. Reigns is absent. Mr. Black is absent. All voting for motion carries. Need a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. Keith made a motion. Heather Johnston seconded to adjourn. >> Motion on the floor.
099Any further discussion? Hearing none. Miss Dian Davis. >> Hi. >> Missy Johnson. >> Hi. myself. I Mr. Lowry I >> Miss Cob all voting for. Motion carries. Mr. Black and Mr. Reigns are absent. Thank you. Thank you.