001Good evening. I would like to call this meeting to order. The time is 6:00 p.m. We'll begin with roll call. Keelan Lewis, present. Jennifer Roach, Heather Barrett, present. Karen Thomas, Lisa Kalise, >> Present. >> Philip Chapman, >> Present. >> J.R. Humphreys, >> Present. >> We have five of seven board members present. We have a quorum. Please rise for our prayer led by Mr. Humphreys and the pledge of allegiance led by Mr. Lewis. >> Heavenly Father, we thank you for this I was just going to lead with the Lord's prayer. Anybody would like to follow along, that's perfectly great. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses, as
002we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. >> Amen. >> In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible. >> Hello. Okay. For the record, we have a request that Karen Thomas came in at 6:32 p.m., please. At this time, we do not have any requests to comment to the board, so we'll move on to the next item on
003our agenda, which is our report, and Superintendent have a presentation by Superintendent Patterson. >> All right. Good evening, Board of Trustees, Superintendent Patterson, cabinet, and guests. Um we are here today for a facilities update, uh specifically Crosby Middle School. Uh we will cover the condition, some options, and a recommendation. So, to start off with the condition, we will touch on the foundation that was presented at the March board meeting. Uh there were three areas noted that had foundation issues, uh the admin offices, the gym lobby, and the classroom wing. Next, we will cover the timeline real quick. Again, this is from the March meeting. Um site walk started in January '24. We did conducted a geotechnical investigation, um did some of the remedial options provided by the geotechnical report, which I'll cover next, and then
004lastly, a structural engineer investigation. So, the geotechnical report found that there are voids of 4 to 6 in uh under the grade beams, Low moisture content in the soil under the slabs [snorts] and the cause of this was likely drought, subsidence, and the trees removing moisture from the ground. So, the recommendations from the geotechnical report, we remove the existing trees within proximity to the building. We conducted a floor elevation survey, the first one in the summer of 2024. And based on their recommendation, a second elevation study 1 year later in the summer of 2025. The second elevation study revealed that the ground was not rising to the requirements. So, they provided two remedial options. First one was a floor leveling with a fillable flow polyurethane. We tried that, it did not work. So, the option
005number two recommended from the geotechnical was a structural slab replacement. >> Can I pause you for a moment? Sorry. Can we let the record reflect that it's 6:04 p.m., please? Okay, go ahead. Sorry. >> Okay, then we had a structural engineer come out and take a look at the the building. They provided some recommendations. Their first was to do a geotechnical investigation, which we had already done. Their second recommendation was to employ mudjacking or foam jacking, which is the polyurethane that we already attempted. And lastly was to demolish and replace the areas of concern. There are some ongoing investigations for the middle school. We're conducting a full site elevation survey to try to get the information for the entire building, not just the areas with the foundation issues. We contracted with TASB to come out
006and do a full facility assessment on the building. We are working on assessing the roof and then also a full building assessment on full building structural assessment. Doing these investigations to make sure we have the full information on the entire building. Some other items in consideration for the condition, uh the roof. The roof is near the end of its useful life. Also, you need to take into account code upgrades. Any repairs or renovations of this magnitude uh will require um updated compliance with the latest code. And then also the Red Barn renovation part of the scope of that project includes part of the Crossing Middle School. So, there are some options. Um option number one, go ahead and conduct repairs. So, the cost for these repairs, um based on the structural engineer um recommendations, demo
007and rebuild the foundation areas. That would be 8.6 to 10.8 million. These are current cost estimates. Um to replace the roof would be just under $10 million to uh 11.3 million. And then also repairs of this magnitude require code upgrades. We're estimating that to be about 1.5 million. So, the current estimate to repair these specific items would be $20 million to 23.6 million. Some things to take into account would be the funding source. And also the timeline. These are construction projects that will take um at least 14 months to get going from design phase all the way through uh um procurement and bidding and construction. So, the second option would be a three-tiered effect. Um first is to reform the Long Range Planning Committee. We'd like to present this information to the committee and recommend
008the addition of a new middle school to any potential bond package options. Second would be to continue the investigations. We want to make sure we have all the information on the full scope of the building. And then also to explore alternatives for the CMS portion of the Red Barn renovation. And administration's recommendation is the latter of the options, to reform the long-range planning committee, recommend an addition for the new middle school to potential bond package options, continue the investigations, and explore alternatives for the Red Barn renovation. Are there any questions? >> On your last slide of the reforming of the long-range planning committee, is there any indication of if it's a a new school that's going to be added, what would the vision be of this facility? >> Of the new facility or the existing
009one? >> one. >> So, once the new building is built and all of the students move over to the new building, we would decide what to do at Right now, there's no plan for the existing building. >> Has any board and engineer given us any time frame of life remaining in this building not of the not of the new school, on the foundation? >> Yeah, we have asked those questions, and I don't think anybody has a specific answer. >> I can tell you for the foundation, those are just what some of the some educated assumptions. We really don't know the I think you put the chemical flush out. Uh we're conducting the full structural assessment. That's only structural. There's plumbing in there that needs to be worked. There's a lot of other issues to contend
010with. >> So, there are plumbing issues as well, not just foundation issues. >> Well, I say that that was identified in the principal uh >> Performance Services. Yeah. Yes, sir. There's some So, if you take into that that we can consider to also the top where they appear, there's some there's And even if we talk about some of the current remediations to fix the current areas, you would have to come up with a solution to fix some of that underground plumbing cuz it's kind of tied in. So, it's not just, you know, foundation. You would have to fix the plumbing underground >> All right. So, let let me tell you why I'm asking. All right. Let me let me clarify what I'm asking. So, if we go in there instead of spending $25 million, right,
011to get 30 more years of life out of this building, hypothetically, right? What can we do by going in and spending $5 Do we get 20 years of life out of that? And I say the $5 million being minimal repairs because of structural foundation things. No foundation repairs, right? Plumbing that needs to be addressed. Um I'm excluding roof right now because that's completely separate. Has any engineer evaluated that? We didn't Yeah. So, I would look at My personal opinion is is life of the building, right? If I'm fixing to spend $25 million, I want a lot of life out of that. But if I can spend $5 to $10 million and still be at 20 years, I think that's a great value. And I'll go to another question. >> Okay. >> So, let's stay on
012that same slide right here. Part of the red barn was um renovation is being made into the school, which is just alluded to here. I would say that until we figure this out that we do not spend that money on the renovations within the junior high. And so, we I don't know the correct word here, but freeze um freeze that money, continue on with the red barn, but do not make renovations inside that junior high. >> But what we're thinking about what we're looking at is alternatives to it. Instead of putting in it's weight room, instead of putting a weight room in that area, what else can we do? So, not just we're definitely not going to start the work, but we're moving toward what else can we do? What other alternative plans [clears throat]
013can we think about? So, we're actively >> evaluating what can be done in there. >> Right. Okay. >> And we have contracted with an architect for that project. We have let them know that we are going to explore alternatives to that. >> How much of the cost was that was going to be devoted to that portion? Not just the weight room, but the middle school portion. >> There there wasn't a specific cost assigned yet. Um that was part of this the design discussions with the architect. So, we have not set any sort of allocation to that part of the project. >> I mean, I think we definitely have to do the weight room, so depending on the amount of money, you know, if it's going to cost that to put it somewhere else, you might
014as well put it there. That's my thought. We need to know what kind of money that is. >> [clears throat] >> So, tonight there are no dis- big decisions, nothing to vote on. But, what we would like to hear is feedback on the two options. Investing, continuing to invest in the building, or exploring adding it potentially to to another school on Friday. >> I mean, I don't think we can count on the new middle school. We have a past bond. We don't know that we have that, so what's the alternative to to do something a a short-term fix until we see um we don't Nobody knows what the future holds. >> My opinion would be to wait until the until the TASB assessment is completed. But, essentially, we have the the main core to the
015building, of course, the foundation, which we know is failing. But the major expenses after that are mechanical, right? So, plumbing, uh I wouldn't say electrical's part of that, but plumbing and all all of the AC system in there is evaluating how much life we have out of those mechanicals. We know that the roof is essentially done. It's reached its life expectancy, right? So, on top of that roof, What is the roof estimate? So, if we have a roof of 10 million, we need to evaluate the life of the mechanicals before we can assess um the remaining life >> I >> of of that facility. >> Yeah, and to piggyback off that, that's what I had made a note of here, the full site elevation survey that says it's still going on. I mean, obviously, to
016me, it doesn't make any sense to make any real decisions until those are fully complete cuz we I mean, obviously, we need to know the whole picture because that's what makes the difference here. I mean, that all those full more complete evaluations We've been looking at the areas of concern, but now we're talking about I mean, if it's on the table to poss- possibly abandon this building, we need to see everything because then we're going to need to see is there a number that fixes everything, and back to what Mr. Chapman's [clears throat] saying, how much more life can we get? Um Is there a timeline on this the the full site elevation survey and the TAS B assessment of that building itself being done? >> TAS B mentioned a timeline of finishing by the
017end of the year. >> Mhm. >> So, I do not know the full August. >> Okay. Mentioned August. >> I I based off of our experience with the last um um assessment that came from a private company and the pricing and recommendations that we then decided were not necessarily in line with our values, we should wait for sure on the TASB assessment and maybe prioritize TASB going first at the middle school over the other facilities because I think we were in a position where we're making some decisions based on a contracting company and maybe that was not to our best advantage. I also agree with what Ms. Coley said. I don't think that we can just write off the middle school because there's no guarantee and there's really not even any We can't forecast that
018we're going to pass the bond because we've been unsuccessful thus far. >> I I guess I'm confused about the full site evaluation cuz I thought that this was already done. I I thought that we've done the evaluations of the middle school and they showed us all the red areas of everything that was going on bad at the middle school. I I feel like we've seen it like five times already or or more. So I guess in my thought process why don't we just get to the meat of the potato and do what we have to do to figure out what's going on with the middle school and what we need to do with it instead of wasting time cuz I feel like we've been knowing the middle school is in tragedy. And so it's like
019we're wasting time. So I don't know why it's taking us so long to figure this out. That's all. I mean, we know it's problems there. So why are we Why are we dragging it? That's That's my question. >> that we've seen it a lot, but I think we are doing that right now because previously with performance services, I think we were being sold uh and a perception was being created. Again, that's a company that was coming to you trying to acquire the work. Um which we picked up on real quick was excessive. So, I believe that that's what we're doing right now with TAS. >> But they still showed the roof was it was it they showed us that even though we feel the way we feel what they presented to us, it still was
020a lot of red areas that they did. They showed us. >> Yeah, for instance, the roof and and I don't remember if what performance services said it cost to need to replace the roof, right? >> Right. >> But if we know obviously that it is a situation so that could be something that we do see kids out on. >> Yeah. Well, we had denied a bid just to do a lot of flashing repair and spot repair. At that time, that was one of the things that we wanted to get fixed, but their price was outrageous. And that's one of the reasons, hopefully, on smaller when it's like that, if it's not a full roof replacement, it's one of the reasons to get to have that construction manager position. Uh Now, it does change things if
021we're starting to look at this whole major. But yeah, I mean, I agree with what Mr. Chapman's saying again. Things changed and it progressed and they found more and more and that original evaluation was not near as extent It was extensive in looking at all the little needs of the building, but when you start talking major structure, they they weren't really looking at that. That wasn't part of that like major the slab issues and the fact that we have tried one route to repair that. Didn't work. Which that I I If I remember it correctly, they said, "This is the cheapest way and hopefully it works, but it may not." But I still it was made sense to try that at the time because the difference in price is so great. Cuz now we're looking
022at like you say, you're looking at demo and starting over on at least those little areas. Way different than hoping the foam works. Um So I just I don't feel like I I personally don't feel like it's been it has been slow and I wish it could be faster, but I don't feel like it's problematically slow from anywhere. It's these jobs progress like this. When you're talking major structural repair, you're going to the the deeper you dig, you're going to find more. It's >> But I can remember like the foundation situation with the trees being moved removed. >> Mhm. >> That was like two or three years? I think it was like two Let me see. Two years ago. >> September of 2014. >> On our What's what year? 2014? >> September 2014. >> Okay,
023so two years. So we've still, you know, we've been knowing that there's major foundation issues. We went there last year and we saw the classroom sunk in. >> Yeah. And that's where they tried the foam. Cuz that this time on since September >> like small fixes to try to fix it and now that it's gotten to where they the other things that we've tried are not fixing, that's >> Yeah, there was a delay on the trees because once the trees were removed, they were waiting to see if the back correct. So there's a time that has to lapse to see if the soil uh mother nature actually keeps back up, which it did not. >> Okay. >> And then the foam didn't even fix it properly. >> Do you Do we know the rough time
024frame when the elevation survey will be complete? >> Uh Robert said August. >> August? August 3rd? >> Um who were citing the engineer? What is that a Is that a firm? Who is Who is it? I'm sorry. >> Stantec, okay. And then who is the person like actually performing the work? >> Brittany, I I She's the one that gave me the recommendation on this particular flight. >> I mean the company that do did the current the work that's there. The work that we've had done the try things. >> The phone? Yes. >> I I think I think we might have I don't know if I have it for a fact, but I I can check. Call your thing. I'm glad you asked me. So, what what I did was I found three I had requested
025three quotes contractors. Uh I received one and then I they provided us some middle. I provided that to the geotechnical engineer. They evaluated it yes, that that's what their recommendation would be. We tried it. I'll send you the name of the company. >> Okay. >> I I think that a couple of names first I think I think that Well, I think that I have trust issues with all of this because 7 years ago we were told that the admin building was unusable. And then that was by one company and then another company comes in and says, "Oh, it's usable and for this price we can fix it." >> The admin building or CMS? >> No, the admin building. The old admin building. >> Okay. >> We Remember, you know, 7 years ago we had to
026move out of that. It was It was unusable. It was not safe. We move out of it. And then another company comes in and says, "Oh, it's safe and we can renovate it for this price." So, it makes me question and I I I mean I'm going to say this respectfully as I can, how do how do we arrive at these answers that it it's all of a sudden it's beyond repair and we should just move on to a new facility. Because then in 7 years is another company going to say y'all shouldn't have let that sit there and wait. It's usable and for 50 million we can get it back up and running. Because that's essentially what's happened. >> I don't think I I don't think tonight we're saying it's unusable. We're saying it's
027usable if we put this amount of money into it. So, the question is do we want to invest that amount of money? >> But that's the same conversation we had about the admin building 7 years ago. >> I wasn't here 7 years ago. >> No, I I I would push back on that. Cuz that was when that happened, we didn't have any money to fix the admin building. >> Right. It's going to be a costly abatement. >> It that we let but we had no access to bond funds at that time. They were frozen. That was still during that time. >> Yes. >> There was ze- we were literally still recovering from bankruptcy when that happened. That was a >> the company was saying it's not worth fixing. >> That I don't If the company
028said that, maybe. Administration took the stance that it's unsafe to be in this building right now and we don't have any money to fix it. I I don't remember this the thing being it's unfixable. I remember the statement being it's unsafe right now and we have $0 cuz we had $0. And so, there was absolutely like There was There was enough to do some quick renovations in here, but not enough They knew at that time the cost was going to be too high to fix that to make it safe again. I remember they were really talking about some mold issues, but also some structural issues. >> Yeah, I remember the mold. >> I guess that's that's what I'm saying though is it was prudent, you know, like the company said we we shouldn't be there
029or we we don't have the money to fix it. It's It's essentially beyond repair outside of the scope." And I'm like, "Here we are again." Getting that same message. About another facility equipment. >> I think it's just facilities are just They have life. And they take maintenance. Unfortunately, a foundation is not something that per se anybody can maintain. I know that in situations [clears throat] with trees, but some things just happen. It's worse situation here where it's going to be a costly amount. For me, it's going to be the life, right? >> Ab- absolutely. >> amount of dollars, what's the life? >> Can I I'm going to just clarify. We asked for the life of the project. You want to know the dollar amount to fix what's wrong with the building? Or the life of
030systems in the building cuz in my experience, engineers won't give you They'll tell you what problem is it and provide a price, but they won't tell you so much the life. HVAC is a little bit different. You can tell them what you want to do. That part of it, the plumbing, uh some of the fixtures, things like that. You can go with them and see them for a while. You know, that's not being maintained, but you'll need it sooner or later. But then that adds to another cost that you'll see is that anytime you touch any type of that building, like you said, it's the uh additional upgrade we used to call. You're going to have to put a an engineer in there because you're touching the building. Over $10,000, certain square footage, there are
031fees on that, so are you looking for a dollar amount and then y'all the district can make a decision where whether or not that's acceptable? And what that dollar amount includes is everything to keep the building occupied other than those areas that are structural Yeah, structural integrity of the building. >> But then you also have to look at the brick, are you going to have to remove and replace them where cuz they're in structural I It's just I I'm trying to figure out Is it a dollar amount or a uh a time limit? It's got to be It's a little bit of both, I think. >> It's got to be a dollar amount cuz no one can predict the time period that repairs will cover you for. But my question is is it an option
032of option one do nothing and then hope we get the bond or is it all of them are absolutely necessary, but let's decide what needs to be fixed immediately because we know the bond may not go through. You know, is it do nothing and hope for a bond or let's see what's absolutely necessary just in case the bond doesn't go through. >> Yeah, so on the time thing, like the time is important, like Mr. Kevins is asking. Now, I I see what you're saying and I it makes sense instantly in my head that on a renovation of a building that's that old, even with some big investments, nobody's going to want to put a They're not going to want to put an actual like warranty type stipulation in there. But But we're talking about roughly
033speaking, are we I I don't think anybody's looking for a how long are you going to warranty this and tell us we're not going to have any more issues, but more of a look, when you're an engineer and you're you're at this firm and you're as a professional here, what are we getting out of this? Or are we going to get roughly 15 more years, roughly 20 more years? Like will will nobody be willing like no engineering firm be willing to even kind of say it like >> my my question I will get they'll say they'll tell me what moves this building building. >> Yeah. >> And if they'll tell me that this is my assumption and because of the it's past its its lifespan. >> Sure. >> And so they won't >> They just
034They'll be that afraid to put in >> Uh anything that they see that that the roof all that adds up to it's a cost benefit analysis. >> Sure. >> different besides how how much they want to put in to get But I don't know if they're going to give you a specific amount of job. And you can continue to go to you just don't use the the slabs that are are deteriorating. >> Mhm. >> Right. And then you can continue to use that building but then you also have to remove them. So there's a lot of movements. That's why I was asking about money for. It's easier to identify the problems the cosmetic and the things you can see. >> Sure. >> And then they can account for this is a It's zero to >>
035Sure. >> that once you start touching things you're you're going to have to have a contingency what do you know, so we can add that in there as a hey look, you got to have We need to have a three two to three percent contingency. I'm going to need a 10% because I I don't know what I I can include that in the price. So identifying what's currently wrong with the building and trying to put a price to it and allow that to be a cost benefit analysis. And y'all can decide what what what is a priority. Like the other would be like figure out what's priority and the cost associated and then we can give you that idea of what how y'all want to go with it or what y'all >> So to answer
036per se what you were asking me. So the foundation that we repaired over here on the north side Okay. In doing so, I wasn't there. I don't know what occurred in there but obviously we we went under and we took care of the foundation, attempted to raise this thing up but we did raise it up, right? >> No. No. >> It did not get raised up. Okay. All right. So we made those repairs. What did we do to the inside? Some cosmetic stuff, correct? >> That was minor. >> What are you talking about? Those things and the >> No, the plaster on the side right here. >> The ones that were sinking like the floor was >> Uh area number three right here. >> I'm talking about. Yeah, I would think they wouldn't have touched
037that if they did the foundation. >> That's where those trees were removed, right? >> Yes, it was. Yeah, we we might have had to have been there but did we do anything on the inside? As in those areas? >> No work was done. >> The floors, the walls, we left them as is. >> Okay. >> So was there any damage to the roof or the exterior facade? >> The picture of that. >> Yes. >> Because of the foundation? >> Yes. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. And I I >> There's damage along the If you walk outside, there's tilt wall panels. There's damage at the corners of almost every single one of the tilt wall. You can see structural >> Wow. >> So it's breaking apart. >> That makes sense. >> It wasn't their scope when we
038did this but we walked and pointed at that one. That one. >> Excuse me. >> My I expect when you do the floor survey the hard part of the floor survey is you get one, you got to wait to do another one. You're not really going to be able to tell until you know >> You can find a variation. >> You can tell variation. >> But you're I think the exterior walls grading of the exterior walls you'll see that there's going to be damage here. >> So you said tilt wall. Is this tilt wall construction or tilt wall facade? >> I I think it's tilt wall construction. >> Yeah. >> Construction. >> It's all tilt wall. >> Yeah. Now portion The ones we looked at were tilt wall. There's been multiple additions to the building
039so I I haven't looked at all the plans. >> But that side is the original building. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's part of the old which is 50 years old. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> I I think that we make it this is my opinion I think that 20 million 23 million dollars is very at baseline cost. >> Yeah. >> It Yeah, from not being involved at all I don't think that's anywhere close to it. >> Yeah. Right. >> I mean yeah. >> Probably [laughter] not. >> And I'm going to take out the 10 million on the roof because I think you can just you you need to take that out anyways we're talking about um spending on the junior high for the value of life. Um so now that takes us
040down to 10 million 12 million. >> 13 >> That is that's scratching the surface on what this would cost. >> And I can tell you in from if to do this work you have to demo it and then identify the real problem. >> Right. >> Yep. >> And that's the problem. >> Okay. >> these foundation boards that they're wrong and if I was the building inspector We can't go in there because you still have school. Especially having your good having your number one we can't go in there because there's people in there and so to I really identify what's underneath and what what we have to do to fix it we have to demo it first and then we have to design it. >> Yeah, so just so to simplify that real quick I understand
041that no one here right we can throw numbers out. We can't even guess at this 30 to 50 million dollars but essentially this turns into an open checkbook. >> What we would do it my recommendation would be do the GMP see the risk where uh pre-construction services we do a package where you demo it then we would design from there but we have a GMP before we got to work because I don't >> Yeah, the problem is once you demo it's over. >> Yeah. >> That's the worrisome the worries part two. Once you say demo, you got to sit back. It's once you demo and you tie in to an existing year old building, that's where it gets a little complicated because the even figuring out a CMR risk, that's what we don't want to
042do that work. They warranty it out, it's going to be a little bit risky. >> Anybody else? >> So, just to for sure understand, the current kind of recommendation or the current recommendation from y'all's end is not spending that money on that right now. Focus more on getting on getting started on a new middle school if a bond can pass for it. And fully move everybody into the new middle Not We're at this point saying once that's ready, say bond passes, say we get to work in 2 years, it's 3 years, it's done. That's the middle school. It's not going to be two middle schools now. Now we're going to have to figure out >> Then you can demo what is >> Demo there, possibly rebuild from ground up there one day for the second
043one day. >> If needed at that point. >> Sure. >> Because that was one of the reasons I sent the demographic the information about kind of the way demographics are going in Texas. And we're growing, many other districts are not. It's a matter of time, right? Like we're growing, but at some point, you know, it's going to stop. So, at that point it will be a reassessment. Where are we? You know, if it's needed, then absolutely that becomes >> And we already have like if we built another similar size school, we would have a while because of the sixth grade campus we're building now. So, it we wouldn't be expecting to walk into a packed school. >> Correct. >> Real quick, I want to circle back around to what trustee Easterbrook says is um making
044sure that we do the weight room for the junior high since there will not be a weight room in the red barn for our junior high athletes to use. I think I said we need to or actually I know I said to freeze money and not spend it at the junior high, but I think that we do have to provide that to them because there's going to be X amount of years three, four, five years they're still going to be over here. They do need a weight room. >> And we talked about we talked about that as And so the question, do you continue to put it do you move forward with putting it there and it's there for two or three years while you're doing the designs and building the new school and that's
045better than not having one if we can't figure out an alternative. We may be able to find an alternative that does not require that building. So that's a back back door plan. >> You just reminded me if we do the weight room here we have to bring the whole new school up to code. >> That's not a consideration. >> If we do the weight room there then we're not moving the whole new school up to code. >> Well, it's unfortunate that we invested in a in a sixth grade campus. And now we have a sixth grade campus and no seventh and eighth grade campus. So it's very unfortunate. Well, you know. >> When you say bring everything up to code, what code are you referring to? Fire. Yes. [clears throat] That's what he means. The
046good thing has to come in reviews for for So is our building Our building's sprinkled currently, right? >> Some of it. So is that area not sprinkled? >> Uh >> And so is it not >> What's over here at all? >> It's the what >> What's right behind >> It's >> You have a fire alarm the voice comes on. >> So since it's the that is the old I facility, right? >> This is a medical one. >> That's a yeah, that's a >> We have the plans being evaluated if they have 1 hour fire rated walls. >> So if they do then it doesn't have to be sprinkler to be separated. >> Yes. >> Have you have you evaluated that? But there's a there's a threshold >> with Harris County that is I I'll go
047back and look at it. I believe there's a threshold for a certain amount and uh or certain amount of square footage >> That's a certain square footage that you have to upgrade >> your So I will tell you when we did the high school because we did the addition they Harris County made us upgrade the high school. So that was an extra roughly $950,000 the con- the project had to take on because Harris County said you're adding this space you're touching it you have to upgrade your and we don't have a >> I don't know the answer. I would say I would challenge the word adding versus alteration in the definition of codes and an alteration is what we're doing. We're not adding to that building. >> Harris County is very strict with that and
048that they don't play with life and safety either. They like what you do and and we I mean I saw the paperwork for the high school. >> Like they don't uh they over go above and beyond the code just to cover their bases so that in case there is an event, you know uh we do have everything brought up to code and we're not having to second guess it one time. But that's Harris County is very strict about it. >> I'll find the code for you. >> Yeah. >> So it's built to code. It's not opinions above and beyond the state >> It's the minimum life safety requirements. >> I I would I've completely agreed with you with my future and my end of the we've had it or that's the reason we can't do
049it at all is because they won't sign off on our permit or our drawings or any I've had I've had those arguments with the fire marshal before and only and I'm >> Yeah, I just say have a simple meeting with the fire marshal because we're making we're altering the space. We're not adding to >> No, it's completely I understand I will give you the I will provide the code and then I'll So I I completely agree with you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We have one fire fire marshal. >> You're very strict. >> But K-12 >> And I get it. Life safety number one. >> But we build to the code. >> Yeah, and you're not in the buildings right there and you're not really touching anything other than except the bathroom. >> We're not changing
050occupancy classifications. Okay? None of that changes. Um in fact, it would be reduced because it's no longer an attic. I think you would consider that educational. Right? There's no hazards. I know we're getting in the weeds, but I would simply put a meeting with fire marshal. I think we can fix a lot of things reasonably. >> So once once we do the permitting, I think permitting kind of keeps that off of us so we have to have those conversations. >> Uh no, this needs to happen way before >> Yeah, yeah, it'll have it'll have They'll they will They're going to talk The architects are now doing their evaluation and they're going to let us know what they what needs to From there they're going to base their code with the and then they'll they'll have
051a pre-design development meeting and they talk about, "Hey, what do you expect? What do you do you want from us?" And then we'll get their expectations. >> Okay. >> And we would we could provide that information right now. >> And and one last thing, just so it could be mentioned, if you make if you progress to this, if we don't have a a 1-hour fire rating there, the options of going in and building that 1-hour fire rating or putting in a blind door to assist with that for the cost of not doing a sprinkler system. >> Yeah. I I'm not even I'm not even certain I'm not even certain for that yet. Very good in this case. The boys are pretty good. Yeah. I think we that that you're actually correct because it's it's a
0521-hour on a rating. It's a 1-hour rating. Yes, you don't have to except it's considered a separate building. >> Yes. >> Agreed. The that part I I don't know how I could use that to use the forces here in the forces. I think you get I think I get what you're saying. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Miss Place, I I'll go back and elaborate what you said. I agree that I feel like we've made several decisions recently um with the assumption that the middle school is good except for the bathrooms um including the the sixth-grade campus, the renovation at the administration building, and the red barn. And I just I don't know how we can continue to support spending money on facilities that are not instructional when we have kids in a building that
053is not I mean, the pictures and videos I see from inside that facility are not somewhere we should have kids and not be working actively working toward making repairs. So, spending money on other facilities that are not student-facing, that are not instructional, seems absurd to me. And I think that we would have all agreed on that had we had this information before we made those votes. >> Well, I mean, if we're going to vacate the area, then I guess that's going to leave a vacant sixth-grade building. We're if that's what the goal is in 2 or 3 years. So, I suppose we could have used that. I don't know. It's just unfortunate, I guess. Cuz I guess we thought we were a long season we're headed towards two middle schools and now, you know, the
054dynamic is changing and the use possibly changing and then so much unknown. We don't even know if we'll get funding for a middle school if we ask for it. So >> So we should be putting our funding towards fixing what we have and maintaining what we have because the cost of those repairs, like we've heard about every other project we're working on, the cost of those repairs go up every day. They don't go down. So putting off repairs again just repeating what I've heard in here lots of times is also irresponsible. >> You know, my motion to adjourn, there was no more conversation. >> Well, I don't Y'all can speak back or y'all want to like one by one of what you're waiting for >> Just what happened here. Additional what? Comments? >> I just
055wish we would have known that it was this bad earlier when we left. >> The minds around the 6th grade teachers. >> Okay. This is current. Just to reiterate reassurance, not reiterate. Is it structurally safe for the kids to be in there right now? >> Where they are, yes. They're not in that area. >> They're not in those areas. >> Okay. But they But in number one >> So, it's my understanding that that location survey is being done in the whole building right now. Okay. And the affected areas like what was mentioned before are not being occupied. >> I don't Maybe I didn't think of that, so that I just want to ask again, is it safe for the students and staff to be in the building in the in all of the areas or
056in some of the areas? I can ask it differently. Are there areas in the building that are unsafe for students and staff? >> I would say students and staff should not be in those classrooms on the side of the side of the building that are not >> Just in number three. >> referencing the administrative area. It's a safe place for students and staff to be. >> I would We're not going to say safe in the hallways. >> Okay, well, I mean, Mr. Chapman asked and he got an answer, so I don't I'm confused, I guess. >> So, in number three, that's the back area where the classrooms are sunk in. No kids are in that area, right? But number one is the front office area, but there are people there. So, it's safer to be
057in number It's safe to be in number one, but not in number three. Correct? And number two is where you enter in, I think, by the gym. So, I know there are kids that come out of there every day. So, those areas except number three are occupied except number three, and that's okay. >> Uh one is administration, two is the >> Yeah, that's your office where you stand. >> Area two >> Yes. There There are a few spots. So, it wasn't I can go to uh evaluate on how bad it is. It It's not It's not the worst. The the area of gym. Uh I believe that area three was the worst and it was the slowest. But you also have kids in that area, too. So, kids that there was even more I can't
058evaluate when that's a school issue. Uh I can't say that it is the same class environment. >> Yeah. >> So, we're >> But I think what Dr. Patterson says was area three is not safe and kids aren't there. I said there are not kids and students There are not students and teachers in that area is what I said. Okay. But we >> That's the worst one. >> But there are kids and teachers in area one and two, and we don't have an answer on whether or not that's safe. So, how do we >> If we felt students and teachers were unsafe in any area in the building, it would not be that area. Until we have firm confirmation that it is unsafe, we're in We're in those parts of the building. We had concerns about
059three, so we removed people from that area. >> So, what's the timeline for getting an evaluation on if area one and two are safe for students and staff? >> That's what the office sent out. >> That's just more of an opinion. I can get an opinion from the department. It It'll be an opinion and will not give you a definite answer yet. >> Number one and two does not look like number three. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't >> I know. Yeah, it doesn't. >> at all. Like so, when you walk into the office, I mean, I don't I wouldn't be able to tell if what was going on like I did in number three. >> Yeah, it's the >> thing I saw and I thought it was strange how the water was coming out out
060of the floor when it was raining, but it wasn't. They had it safe. So, they had everything blocked off and they were constantly vacuuming. So, and then >> And that was here? That was >> That was in number one. >> Okay. >> But number two, I mean, we go to basketball games and volleyball games. So, I don't know. I I wouldn't be able to tell what was going on in one and two. >> Yeah, I was just going to say that about number >> basketball. Good. >> Yes. >> Would that be the first thing that shows up with the parking lot? >> Yeah, you would think you would think the basketball court would. >> Yeah, that is just what I was thinking about. >> Yeah, yeah. Be the first thing. >> Okay, anybody else? All
061right. I move to adjourn the special called meeting. >> I'll second. >> All those in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Uh opposed? All right. The motion carries. We are adjourned.