001It is 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday, May 28, 2025. I call this special meeting of the Kings Elementary School District to order. We will now have roll call. Joe Melles here. Brian Kufall here. Chapa here. David Garcia here. Jacob Perez here. Delma Selenas here. and Joseph Reese here. Uh, let the record show that there is a quorum of board members present and that this meeting has been posted in accordance with government code chapter 551, State of Texas Open Meetings Act. We move to a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance and the Texas pledge. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas. One
002state under God, one indivisible. We move uh okay, we move to item number four, adoption of the agenda. Do I have a motion to adopt the agenda? So motion made by second. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Motion carries. The agenda is adopted. 70. Item number five, public participation. Do we have anyone who wishes to address the board? Yes, sir. We have one. This is Elizabeth Ramos. Okay. Okay. This is Ramos. Hello. Uh, good evening, interim superintendent. Oh, no, not that one. Okay. I'm going to speak on agenda 7A. Please read this with me in your mind. Discussion and possible action to approve legal services for Nick Maddox and Associates. Remember the last time the board renewed the contract with Ohio? I was against it since the contract had no expiration date.
003Do you have it in your agenda, the current contract right now? I asked during that meeting if Peter Pit had done a search term inquiry for legal services for the board or any other law firm. He said no. Therefore, I voted no. Since then, the majority of the work Ohio has done has been to service the previous superintendent for her personal goals and helping HR harass employees. The previous superintendent also stated years ago that an administrative employee took training to complete open records requests class so that they are timelier, don't cost the district any more in general funding. That was another lie the previous superintendent told us. Oh has been doing that for the district from start to finish. It goes in the hands of Miss Castro and goes straight off to Ohan. Also since
004the district has not also the district since then has not been in compliance with open records request with state law. One being there needs to be a sign in the building where you do your open records request with the directions on how it works. That has never been there. But was perfect so no need to point that out. You could cut your fees down considerably by allowing the administration to do open records requests and only use Ohio to look over it to make sure that it's in compliance if there are any questions about that information. Also want to point out that Maddox has been involved in those records and personal information about children's education and some of that has left the district under his supervision. One being my child's information. I had a rumor spread
005in the public about me over those documents that ended up in the hands of a private individual about money that was said I received from the district that I never received. Those documents were concerning my son's educational rights with KD leveling denied my kid for many years. Another email he did not inform anyone about unless the previous board president Kufal knew about it, never told any y'all. was the email I sent my son's principal and previous superintendent that was forwarded by the superintendent to her own personal email address. I still have a level three grievance on this along with another concern about special education which probably the six of you have never even heard about. That's been two years. I wouldn't give Maddox a job when he can't even work within the boundaries of the
006law concerning kids rights. He helped hide that email from me. To close this, I'd like to point out that the wording to the agenda makes no sense tonight. The way it is written states that K should hire a lawyer for Maddox, which makes sense considering how shady he has worked in the past. You probably do need legal representation against him. As far as the agenda, KIC post goes is the least transparent andformational about any agenda in all of Claver County and surrounding government entities. Agenda 7A gives the public nothing to participate about since it's so badly worded. Are you hiring a lawyer for Maddox or using my I'm using my power of deduction here? Or maybe you're getting rid of a Holland and going to hire Maddox. Tell people this. It's awful. It's no right
007for the public to have any kind of say so over this. Secondly, I'd like to request an expedition of the audit for Herald PTO on the next agenda. A member of the current PTO has been harassed by the public because the investigations are taking too long. She wants the truth to be told and there's people's lives that have been affected not only children. I'm also under the information that PTO efforts have been on hold and not fulfilled such as the fourth grade ice cream party winners for the penny war challenge, top three popcorn seller gift card winners, and they did not have a campus field trip like promised. Some kids did go on a field trip for going to bright blue Fridays and that was as far as anyone has been told. Where did the
008PTO funds go? What was the campus fundraisers money spent on? The previous PTO member has been in touch with a few board members and nothing has come of this. It has been since April 1st. I also want to put on the next agenda not only PTO funds but the poster report policy. I do want to point out that the former superintendent stated on April 15th the district has determined that the organization is no longer operating in compliance with the expectations outlined in policy. question you should ask yourself, how is a PTO supposed to operate within the policy? If it's not posted online in board policy and Peter Pence never visited PTO's or boosters, KSD should look just as bad as this as the PTO did. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, M.
009Ramos. Now moving on to item uh six uh under new business 6A discussion and possible action to approve legal services for Enigmatics and Associates P LLC. Um at this time I would like to request that we make a motion that we table this and talk about an executive session before we make a decision. Um is there a second? Let if I can just jump in real quick, Mr. Board President. So the item if you table it, you would be tableabling it and it tables for a full meeting. If you intend to want to take action on it after executive, then I would not table it, just take it into executive. But I do want to remind the board that you cannot talk about the merits of the of the matter in executive. You can only
010receive legal advice about the services agreement. So if you want to get legal advice on it, we can go into it. But if you want to talk, if you want to consider it after, then I wouldn't table it. If you want to be able to talk about it at this meeting, if you do table it, then it would be tabled for this meeting completely. Okay. So then is there a motion to go into executive session for legal advice? For legal advice. I have a question though. Sorry. May you give any example? Sure. So if we're talking about, for example, the rates, the scope of services, things like that, we wouldn't be able to talk about that in executive. It would have to be an open. You can receive legal advice about the contract and there
011about Mr. Matics but not about the merits of the contract such as rates, scope of services, things like that. So you're saying that right now we could talk about rates the term of the contract. We could do that right now. Absolutely. Yes, sir. And we could also do it after receiving legal advice. That's correct. You can also we can come back out and talk about all that today. Yes, sir. That is correct. Okay. What what legal advice would we need? I don't know there's any specific questions, Mr. Garcia. I I'd like to just pose if if I could ask some questions as far as Ohan's budget for us uh this year. Dr. bits. Can I ask that? If it's in relations, if the information is to be used in your consideration for what's on the
012agenda, then yes, you can ask the information you need to. Yes, sir. Because I'm going to be totally honest with you. Uh we're in a position where we need to be frugal with the funds that we have as a as a district, guys. Just got to look at that. And I'd like to know where we're at, Dr. Pittz, with the budget that we set aside. Have we already meet met that budget? Are we going to go over on budget? Are you all going to ask us for more money for the current uh services, things like that? Can I ask that? Yes. If you need that information to consider the item, you need Yes, absolutely. So far, we have spent about $191,000 for the first seven months of the year. Uh we only set aside a
013maximum of $243,000 for the whole year. So, we will go over budget and we would have to bring this back to you to add more money probably in the next two months or so. Uh the last couple of months we have exceeded $30,000. A lot of that has been uh for a lawsuit, but um uh last year, just to give you a comparison, we spent on average $14,100 per month. So, uh conservatively, I I budgeted $243,000. That should have been well more than what we needed, but right now, we are running way over what we did last year, which means which means that we would have to come back to us, approve more money, correct, with the legal service. Correct. Is that correct? Yes. Because uh you approve it going all the way through August
01431st and there's no way that that $243,000 is going to last all the way till August 31st. We're already at 191,000. What are you looking at, Dr. Bits? What What are we looking at rough number? Well, uh, we're probably looking it, it all depends on what services we have, but we're probably looking conservatively at 350 or 360,000 instead of 243,000, but 243 is what we're budgeted for. Is that what the contract is with? The contract is based at an hourly rate. I believe it's $225 thou $225 per hour for attorney fees and it's uh there's a different rate for parallegals. What about litigation? The longer it takes, the longer they're working on it, they're building this, right? It's per hour. Yes, sir. So, the contract, the current contract expires in August. The the contract does
015not sp expire. It's an evergreen contract. But but we can we can terminate it at any time with board action. But um also we we can also render it effectively um effectively I guess dormant by just not using any hours. We don't have to use any hours at any time and then it wouldn't cost us any money. And and as you saw I sent uh three three months of hourly billing to you. So you you see that uh what is being used for by department. I I saw I I appreciate that information you got us, but when I first saw board expenses and I was looking at the money that it said the board spent, you know, my text or my phone call wasn't a $10,000 call. So then that's when you broke it down
016for us. It was more coming from these offices here, I think, than coming from us here on this board. Correct. Yeah. Yes. A lot of it was from different offices around here that requested help on in different matters, including including um the lawsuit. Okay. But it it just uh you know, because I was thinking if we were all making those kind of calls, I'd be calling eight days a week to run a bail up that high as a board member. is my point that I'm trying to make. So, thank you for the information. But I do have a question. When did you send us when did I send you like the last? It was a couple It was a couple of months ago that you're talking about the breakdown for Yes. Yes. That was the
017test. So, I guess just for the record, Dr. Pitz, Mr. President, whatever. Yeah. So routine phone calls with board members are not charged uh to the to to the board and um the only matters that are that are build are substantive legal matters if it's dealing with actual work from the school district. So board member calls are not build. I just confirmed that with Mr. Maddox since most of the billings would have been with Mr. Maddox since he was in charge of your accounts. But I appreciate that information but from everyone in the admin office. Sure. So uh unless it leads to substantive legal work that comes out of it then no a 3 four minute phone call with a quick question about something should not it's not something we normally reveal. Okay. So on
018the agenda it it's talking about Nick Maddox as legal counsel. So what what you have on the agenda is to approve a legal services agreement with Mr. Nickmatics and Associates. Do we have a right to hear what he's proposing? Of course. Yes, sir. Mhm. Mr. Mattis, would you have a problem discussing that with us? I do not. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you, Dr. P. You're welcome. That's correction is okay. Good evening, President Ruiz, superintendent, Dr. Dom Garcia, and board members, trustees. Um, thank you first of all for the opportunity. I understand that we're in this room today for this agenda item and so thanks for giving me this opportunity to speak. Um I started in education law start of my third year of law school. It was my last year of law school and I
019was practicing as a full-time associate my whole last year of law school and I've been doing that ever since. So that puts me in about 12 years of practice now. Uh all I've done is education law for that entire time. For about eight years at that time, I've been serving Kingsville ISD as your board counsel and as your administrative counsel. We've been through a lot of highs, a lot of lows. Got to know you all really well. I consider you friends as well as uh colleagues. And I believe that Kingsville is a very unique place. Uh in my time working with you all and working with other school districts, you have a unique community and you have a unique board and you have unique needs. And so it's been a pleasure to uh learn uh
020about you individually, why you're on the board, what you're serving, and to help you with those initiatives. Um what I'm proposing today in terms of cost is a flat fee. And so what that does is all phone calls, all travel, all trainings, all everything would fall under that flat fee, which would allow your administration to have one set number per month. and it never goes up no matter how much work is involved. I understand the budget is $240,000. I'm proposing a significant cut to that. I'm proposing a cut down to $150,000, which is about $12,500 per month. Again, that amount will never increase, no matter how much work is thrown our way. I think this is really important for your district specifically. I think this matches you very well. one because of financial constraints, but
021another because your staff is very good at calling legal counsel at the start of issues. And this can be bad and good. It's bad because it runs up legal bills, but it's good because those problems are solved before they become really big problems. The average lawsuit runs between 40 and $70,000 for one lawsuit. Every lawsuit that we stop is saving that money. And so they're very good about checking in with council and that's that's a a benefit to you. So if we can remove the cost aspect to that, then they can continue those phone calls, continue having us involved in all their problems and allow you guys to reap the reward of those quality legal services and reap the reward of the cost savings benefit. So the flat fee would allow them to do that.
022That said, I just want to say on a personal note, I enjoy working with you all. There's been several times in the back where you've told me I've earned my keep, and I appreciate those comments. This is what I love to do. This is what I enjoy doing and I'd love to continue doing this for Kingsville ISD. Any other questions for me? Yeah, I have a question. Um, uh, do you know how many other school districts that potentially you could be serving um, say within the next, you know, 10 days or so, have you met with any other districts? And if so, have have you uh, I guess reached any agreements with them? Yes, sir. So, Ben Wto Blanco ISD signed me last night on a flat fee as well. I've only been on my
023own for less than a week now. So, as you know, agendas take time to post. There are more that I'm in conversations with and we'll see if those come to fruition. Thank you, Mr. President. I can I know that, you know, Nick's been with us with us since I've been on on the board and I've learned to trust him, you know, and and uh also have learned to call him out on some things uh strictly professionals uh while we're doing that. Uh but I know his commitment is with KISSD. uh he took us through the legislation to sign off on the unfairness of the start. Thank you for doing that, you know, and and also during the superintendent search that he he's working with us, you know. I think we're at a crucial time and
024saving $90,000, you know, which could be built for used for a playground at Herald. you could, you know, so uh I just I just speak on on my behalf that thank you for doing the work that you do uh for us and and I know that Kayle's here as well because she's part of it too and strictly professional uh firm is is O'Hland and and and uh it's it's not nothing personal whichever way we go but uh Um, my vote last week to save money. I got voted down. Oh well. I just want to be on record that I'm here to save some money. So, and we save some money with with Mr. Maddox and and that's all. That's all I got to say. Thank you. Mr. Maddox, are you proposing a monthto-month or a
025two-month contract? Uh, it would typically be annual annual contract. I'm happy to put an end date on that. That's that doesn't scare me. Uh if the board would like a month-to-month contract, I'm looking to entertain that. This would be potentially supplemental to and not replacing the O'Han law firm. Is that kind of as you see it? That is correct. So O'Han is on an hourly billing cycle. If they are not engaged in work, there is zero dollars being build. It's never a bad idea to have options. Most most districts do and we work well together. There's no bad blood between us and I'd be happy to be colleagues with them and serve in your district. Uh Nick, I have another question. I know there was some recent allegations in a a newspaper article that was
026produced uh I guess in the Raymond Hill area. Could you address any of those accusations and exactly what transpired uh in those events? Yes, sir. I'd be happy to. So that's what we call a political hit piece. I believe everyone on this board and and all the lawyers in this room have probably suffered a hit piece from a time or two. Uh there's usually one kernel of truth and the rest like in this case is certainly not true and a hit piece. Um I do have a side business with my brother. It does service school districts for social media. It does have nothing to do with practicing law. It has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with campaigning. I've spoken with some of the other districts that are currently using that
027service. They welcome you to call them. their superintendents, one of which is Venbolt. Uh they're very happy with that service. It did collide uh in a way that a reporter in the valley, which has very tenacious politics, decided to for whatever reasons run a hit piece on that. U that's unfortunate. As far as everything else I read in that article, nothing else was true except the fact that I do have that business and I do service remand ISD with it. Um not a whole lot else to say to that. I don't like giving credence to to uh rumors and things that are untrue except to say that I'm happy to give you my book of business on that. I'm happy to have you reach out. I believe we'll write letters of recommendation. They've already said
028that they would. So So my question would be I mean could that newspaper potentially be sued for for printing lies? I guess would that be I I thought about it. Uh I did of course because it's about me and it's hard to take the hits, right? Um newspapers have great protections. New York Times versus Sullivan, which is the case that gives them extreme protections against liel and slander lawsuits. Quite honestly, I'm not looking for a media war. Um, I do have a response that I've prepared again, including some of the statements from some of the clients at that business. I have considered releasing it, but I wanted to speak with you all about tonight before I go out and do anything like that. So, you wouldn't be opposed for us to contact, I guess, Ringer
029ISD to infect what transpired. You be okay with that? Yes, sir. and a few others as well if you wouldn't mind that are also. Okay. You know, we we uh we have several employees, administrations that have contracts that are also have positions with the district. Okay? So, we're going to do for one, let's do it for all. Okay? So, I don't see nothing wrong with with with the business. Uh but we're just going to can't just isolate one person. We got people in administration now that also have side businesses. So, we just need to look at that as well. Nick. Yes. As far as your contract or what you're going to offer, is that it's not here. Is it? Am I missing something? No, sir. It's not in front of you today. I was working
030with Dr. Peter Pittz to try to solidify these numbers and I was I was unable to do that. But it'll look a mirror image of your Ohann contract except for the end date if you wish and the flat fee that covers everything. I don't know if I can make a decision having to have the contract in front of me. I mean personally um but um I did have some when we get to that if we ever get to a negotiation stage I I I personally have some stipulations I'd like to talk to the board about since we're here. I'm not crazy about everybody calling you. None of you. That's my own personal opinion. I think all the calls should go through our interim superintendent and when hire our permanent superintendent. That's my person. I think
031um just think it's like you said, I understand what you said the positives are and the negatives. I just personally think that's a so that would be something that I would personally would like to discuss with all the other board members to get feedback before I make decision. Yes sir. And many districts will do that. So board operating procedures. So your policy currently as stated is that the superintendent and the board president can contact legal uh counsel at any time. And in the case here, the uh former superintendent extended the authorization to her staff. Now, boards can adopt board operating procedures, also change policy of course to make that chain of command however you see fit for your district. We do that all the time. I I can appreciate that because I think to keep
032our our interim superintendent in the loop. Uh she has to know and and and my thing would be is if there's a legal question then whoever needs that answer would go to our interim. she would either make a call or give permission or make the call or even be in a u a conference call with with her and legal. So, uh, the green light for anybody to call at any time would would have to we'd have to tighten that down because that in my personal opinion, not that of anybody else, I don't like people going around the CEO and making calls that they shouldn't be making for not letting her know and then be a shock on something. Um, you know, but I I can appreciate that and it's hard decision to do that. Yes,
033sir. It is. We can help you craft that. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. So, um, so being that, so, uh, I guess discussion of legal services for Nick Maddox and Associates, um, is there a motion to approve that? Mr. President, I make a motion that we accept the proposal. That's well it's not a proposal yet barring that we look at the uh the actual final product for example but that we allow Nick Maddox to prepare that for us to be our legal counsel Mr. Garcia, if you like, you can authorize your administration to negotiate and approve it if you like. Okay. Like to authorize that administration can approve that. Is there a second? Second. I want to know. I'm still confused about what we're voting on. So, so basically, we're going to vote on
034the ability to, I guess, accept uh Nick's proposal. Uh, but it will be negotiated by Dr. Garcia as far as the flat fee and all that stuff and then we'll have to vote again to approve the contract. No, you you can uh approve it at the board level tonight and authorize the superintendent to finalize the negotiations and the terms, none of which will exceed what we talked about here tonight. And then at that point, she can approve So, we have a first and a second. Um, I guess we'll take I'd like to Okay, I'd like to ask Dr. Garcia about her opinion. Yes. So, my opinion is again having been here for less than a month is that I feel very rushed to make this decision. We do have an attorney who are here. And
035what I would recommend to the board is to pause on the decision right now. Do our due diligence, have the conversation that we need to have, get clear on what the contract is and really understand what it is that we're trying to gain at or what are we going to lose and have a broader conversation around the attorneys or as Dr. and I have been in conversation around who are the attorneys that we work with because there's multiple ones. Uh what are the fees that we have been paying? Uh where do we find savings? And then we also started talking about a protocol for our leadership team to figure out how do we funnel more of the communication and have a better stronger process to ensure that we keep this amount down or flat. Uh
036period. That's like because we know that financial stewardship is a goal for the board. So that would be my recommendation to just wait and uh and bring this up in another board meeting. Otherwise, it feels really rushed. Well, with all respect, Dr. Garcia, what I'm looking at is numbers. You know, I'm looking at savings. Okay, we're going to be up at 300 plus thousand by the end of the contract. Is that right, Dr. Pence? Correct. I just leave it at that. That's 90 grand that we could put our back in our pocket. U we're looking at the same thing. We're trying to figure out then also what is the negotiation that we have to do with our current attorneys both for the search. I think there's a place that we can negotiate there for the
037way we build or the way we surface things to them in the coming months, but we have the same goal in mind. We don't want to be spending money on that. Uh we don't want to spend additional any additional money on legal fees that we don't have to. I think we need to clarify that the search is completely outside of this conversation. That's a whole separate issue. Has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation that's going on. Well, Hammond will continue that. because I share your concerns. This is very quick and it's happening very very quickly. But because this is a supplement as opposed to a replacement, there's really no harm no foul. I ask about a monthtomonth and I'm not suggesting necessarily a monthtomonth, but I'm sure the contract will have exit language for
038either either side. So if we were to adopt this, we should see immediate savings and if it doesn't work, no harm, no foul, we've still got a contract with a handling that we can we can use the work there. I personally see this as perhaps a transition period to determine where we go longer term. If if I could interject, there would be if we move forward with this, there would be one um one thing that we are bound to when we would start paying $12,500 a month to Mr. addicts regardless of how much we used him because it would be a flat fee and I presume we probably start at June the 1st for the month. So um if we used Ohan in addition to that that would be build at the hourly rate of
039$225 per hour. So unless we were to use Mr. atics almost exclusively, then we would not see a savings if we were having to do one flat rate and not using uh and using the other attorney at the same time. Well, you're going to have to look. So, oh, do we have any outstanding bills? Right. So, that's a really good question. So, if I can just step back u briefly. Um first, if I can address Mr. Kovville's point regarding the contract and the term. Um, based on our roles of professional responsibility for attorneys, we can't hold you to a contract for a year. That's why our contracts are evergreen to month. Uh, as the client, you have the right to get rid of your attorney, including us, at any time for any reason or no
040reason at all. So, that would be true for any attorney, no matter what contract they bring you or what length of the term of the contract they bring you. Um, question number two, uh, Dr. reached out to me and asked us if our firm could offer a flatb service for the district. I told him we would and we're preparing the proposal for him that he indicated that he wanted from us and so we're going to send that over to uh Dr. Pittz. Um with respect to is there something outstanding? I believe there currently might be outstanding bills but for work that has already been done and we're looking prospectively for the month of June. Uh there is some work that's still happening. We would do everything in our uh we would do everything feasibly possible
041to pass over to Mr. Maddox whatever we can to ensure that whatever we don't need to needlessly fail because he can do that we would pass over to him. We have no problem with that. We work at the disposition of of the board. Um there are some things inherently though that we will have to still work on just because for example you have some nominee coming up that does require two attorneys. So Mr. atics would sit with the board and then we would still have to work on the administration side to move forward with the non renewals an update that we'll give you an executive session tonight as we get ready for that and those are coming up but uh the answer to you Mr. Garcia is um there is probably an outstanding bill. I
042don't think our bills for uh April have gone out or May. So you normally don't get until the following month. And with respect to June, we are going to work at the direction of the board and we will make sure we pass whatever we can to Mr. Maddox and I know he'll take on whatever he he needs to take on to ensure that we try to offset the cost as much as possible for you. Thank you. So I get this at this point we have a a motion made by David Garcia and a second by Joe Melz. So we're just gonna President real quick. So if we're at 240 monthly is about roughly about 20 grand. Okay. Uh you're saying that at any time the board can say oh we're going to no more. Okay
043that's okay. We'll say that. Then we we go with this other law firm and I'm trying to get this right which is about 12,000 or so 500 whatever we could still use O'Hanlin at an hourly rate. That's correct. So is that correct? If you keep the current contract we have right now we would just you would just bill us or let me rephrase that. You would just assign to us the work you need to assign to us and that would be build at an hourly rate. Um, alternatively, if you once we send the proposal to Dr. Pittz, the board can also consider our flat fee structure. Okay. Is there any more discussion? I have a quick comment. The only concern I have is having two law firms or the situation that if we approve it
044this I mean it just to me it's it might get to a point where you know what are you doing? What is Mr. Maddox is taken care of. If we save Maddox we don't need you anymore. Well then we're going to he's going to have to give you what he's been working on. And is that going to cost the district more? I'm pretty sure it is if you all take it on. It's just having two different law firms or a lawyer and then a law firm because I know Nick's on his own. It's that's just my only concern is is if there, you know, there might be some type of confusion you because you're dealing with legal matters and and I know you guys are professionals and and you know what you're doing, but that
045that's just my concern. And I rather just have one law firm work with with that law firm because then again you get to the situation, well who did you call the administration? Who did you call? Well, I called David and the other administrator. Well, who did you call? I called and they're going to be, you know, telling the superintendent that and it just I I don't know. That's that's my only my only concern about about this situation. I agree, Mr. Pettis, in that um if we're going to pay Mr. atics about 12K 125. Yes, sir. And the average according to Mr. Pittz is 14,000. Last year it was. This year was significantly higher. Um so uh I mean we're talking uh at least 25 28,000 a month this year, but but again we've been embroiled
046in in some issues. We're still going to use land on that. Just don't see a lot of savings adding up. That's right. Well, board, if I may. So, uh, two ways the flat fee works. One is it can act as a cap. So, I will still record my time as if I'm billing an hourly and send it as an invoice as if it's an hourly invoice. Now, if that time doesn't add up to that 12,500, it'll be the lesser of the two. I I if I can make just also one quick comment I do understand that this year's in terms of legal work there was some anomalies compared to last year you had some sped issues is my understanding and so you have an renewals or you're working on right now too things you didn't
047have last year and so the the fluctuation is based on the need of the district but we we've had issues the last I'm sorry seven years already. But Dr. Vince, last year Yes, sir. Did we meet the budget with Ohan did or did we go over it? No, last year we were we met the budget, but I want to clarify that our special education issues have gone to Wall Street. Yeah. But we don't go over special education. It was Yeah, it was a litigation component there, not the one. All right. So, we got a motion made by David Garcia, second by Joe Mirez, I guess by roll call. We want to proceed with the legal legal services for Dick Maddox and Associates. Uh Joe Mirez, yes. Brian Kufall, yes. Artine Chapa, no. David Garcia, yes.
048Jake Perez, no. Delma Selenas, yes. And Joseph Reese, yes. So, one, two, three, four, five. So, the motion passes five to two. Thank you for your support. Now, moving on to item number seven. Um, the close session. The order will now turn to close session in accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code 551.071 and 551.074 to deliberate and consider the following. Item A, consider and deliberate regarding the employment of contracted administrators, principles Harvey Elementary and assistant principal uh elementary as well. And then consulting consultation with legal counsel regarding legal and personal matters. No action will be taken and we are uh entering close session at 6:11 session to take necessary action on matters on which the board may discuss in open session and upon which action may be taken. We are entering
049uh to open session at 7:04 p.m. Um item A, discussion and possible action regarding the employment of contracted administrators, principal, our elementary and assistant principal. Uh is there a motion to accept the recommendation of the administration? So move second. Okay. Motion made by Joe Melles. Second by Brian Kufall. All those in favor say I. I. Sorry. Any oppose? Motion carry. 70. Okay. I did it. Nick, I did it all together. Did they have to be individuals? Because it looks like they have them set up individually in the back. If the board wishes to approve them all in block, you're allowed to do so. Okay. Very good. Well, um I there was no discussion of possible action regarding legal matters that we needed to address. No action. Okay. So now moving on to number nine, adjournment.
050Um we now adjourn the meeting. I'm sorry. That there being no further action, I do hereby make adjourn the meeting at 7:06 p.m. Three bus.