001Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Good evening. We'll go ahead and get started. I call this Medina Valley ISD special board meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. on April 20th, 2026. We have a quorum of board members present. Absent board members are Mr. Waters and Mr. Mr. Waters and Mr. Bonnie. We'll begin with pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silence. >> First on the agenda is public comment. We have no one signed up to speak, so we'll move on to discussion possible action items. Um begin with consider approval of inter-district student transfer FDB regulation. Dr. Keltner. All right. So, as um as we look at opening Creekview High School and broader picture as the district continues to grow, uh the conversation has been brought up about student transfers and the possibility of of allowing uh
002students to transfer from school to school within the district. Currently, currently we do not allow that. Uh only under uh certain circumstances do we attendance could be one of the or capacity could be one of those, but um the board has asked that we re- re- review really there's a policy in place and basically the policy says it's FDB right it's FDB local. And basically right right now the policy says transfers between schools and it gives the superintendent shall uh be authorized to investigate and approve transfers between schools. So, right now it's up to the superintendent. This is not changing that policy. This is putting a regulation in place that basically will give the superintendent guidance on what can and cannot be approved. Okay? And so, that's what we will be reviewing tonight and and
003discussing. Uh so, uh as we've had some conversations on this, the board has asked that we um look at a a neighboring district's regulation FDB uh regulation and kind of use that as a guide. So, every board member has been provided that regulation and and uh the contents of it. You know, so basically um this this district allows high uh school choice, right? And in particular with their high school and they they let their eighth graders choose what high school they they want to attend as an eighth grader, right? They have that choice. Now, they do have some stipulations in there such as capacity of schools, right? And and some things like that. And so, I'm not going to go through that in detail with this regulation. You have this in front of you. I
004will point out a a couple of things as I read through it that that I think we need to really address. Um on page two under eligible employees uh currently we allow any employee of the district, whether they're full or part-time, uh their their student or their kid be a transfer student, right? And and they can attend the the school of their choice. And so, uh we would like to keep it that way and not just uh limit it to full-time employees, so it'd be any employee. We'd just take out the full-time. Um you know, it talks about transportation as well. So, under transportation, if a if a student wanted to attend a school that they're not zoned to and we allowed it, then they would have to provide their own transportation. Um there are
005some there are some things in here as far as if you if you move towards the end of the regulation, really really on that last page, I really like the definitions of of what you know, what they're talking about when they talk about availability of space and instructional staff. So, in order to be considered a for transfer uh the the the the campus cannot be over capacity and they even limit it to a certain percentage. They have 95% of their of their school capacity. Um I would recommend at doing uh at at the most 90 because if you look at our growth, we're growing at about 10% per year. And so that's one thing that we got to we we would we would need to discuss. Uh they go into They also go into uh
006classroom ratios. So, we did provide our current classroom ratios, what we allow at the different grade levels, and made that part of the consideration when looking at a transfer as well. And then also they look at the student um discipline history, right? So, they consider they consider their um their discipline referrals, how many they've had. They looked at whether or not they've been in alternative school or a uh um um JJAEP school. They also consider attendance. They require that that the student um be be uh present at least 90% of the time in order uh to qualify to be a transfer. So, those are some of the bigger highlights. You know, if the I know y'all have had some time to review this. If you want to point out some things on your end that
007you saw that you think we should discuss as well, I'll open up the floor to that. Well, I mean obviously we've talked about this a little bit in in the the inter-district transfers for primary schools make sense to balance our capacity from campus to campus. That's pretty straightforward, I think. What's new It's going to be new to a lot of folks is the the high school choice option that we're considering here. Um but again, with all the stipulations, you know, that are there for a transfer to be approved, I really don't see too many roadblocks to that. The percentage was the one that I was also concerned about. I I agree 90 90% and and maybe we even look at something lower that I I don't know. Um but that scares me being that close
008to capacity. Yeah, with how much you're growing if we were to grow slower. >> the second question I had with that is we have a listed capacity for our campuses, but that changes as we add portables and stuff like that. You know, and we're over capacity on a lot of the campuses already. So, what do we want to consider capacity numbers for those campuses? >> that's a that's a great point. And and I'll I'll start at Medina Valley High School. I mean, we've got we've got classrooms for quite a few kids there. But when you consider size of cafeteria, size of hallways, I don't think those two necessarily correspond or or or or relate to each other, right? So, I think those that's a great point, Matt, and that's something that we're going to really
009need to discuss and and figure out exactly how we want to consider capacity of campuses. And and and percentage for our purposes because we're growing so fast, maybe percentage is not the right way. Maybe we just need to define the capacity of each campus. I don't know. I'm just talking out loud here. >> Yeah, I mean, I think that that's what will be a piece that we have to go do is define by campus what our set capacity is to measure that percentage. >> Yeah, but I I I think for purposes of transparency and keeping these rules and regulations black and white to parents, those numbers need to be listed in here somewhere. You know, be men and I don't know if we change that number as we add portables or if we just stick
010to what we put as our permanent capacity for each campus. >> Well, I I would say to Dr. Halasa's point, when a campus is built, we'll we'll use an elementary school as a as a an idea. They're built for 850. The infrastructure is designed for 850. We're we're adding portables to handle that, but in my mind we're going to go off of I mean, this is just me talking here. We're going to go off of the designed capacity, not if we had six portable buildings. No, and I I agree exactly I agree with that 100%. That's where I was headed. I think that's what we need to define as our capacity number. You know, but we're over capacity on some of our current high school now, right? Over our design capacity, so we need to
011consider that. >> we need to set it and publish it. Correct. >> And then rely on what we can facilitate, right? We have experience in a lot of our campuses, like what is the number there? Cuz I don't want to squeeze it down too much where hey, we're We're not allowing Right, we're full there and we're busting at the seams at another one and not allowing transfers out where we're 120% at one of >> No, agreed, agreed. I just think we got to be careful in how we define capacity. So currently, Dr. Kaelas, with our employee transfers, do we approve or deny those based upon capacity at all, or are those because they're employee transfers, those are approved? >> Those are approved. >> So that's the other piece is, right? Like we don't want to
012start We don't want to be taking away opportunities that our employees already have by setting a capacity and and broadly saying that all transfers are 90% of capacity, then we're removing that opportunity for the employees. Yeah, and I think I think that has to be differentiated. I think we should define the different transfer types in here of an employee transfer, a school choice, define that in the regulation somewhere that says, "Hey, these are the different transfer options." >> And these are the priority. Cuz they're going to have windows set on them. >> Correct. >> to apply those. >> Correct. And I would say, me personally speaking, I would think that the employee transfer would be the priority. Agreed, agreed, 100%. Yeah. But they would fall under the same guidelines for the revocation of the transfers.
013Absolutely. >> So those rules need to be applied holistically across the board. So we need to make sure that that's defined too. So employee transfers not subject to capacity but subject to all of the other stipulations. Yeah. One piece and I'm throwing this out for discussion. I think we need to limit the number of transfers that would be allowed for a and I I don't think it's called out in or I didn't see it in there where hey we can't have students jumping I'm talking specifically high school choice of hey I I didn't I don't like this right now so I'm going to jump back to Medina Valley and then this happens this year and I'm going to jump back to Creekview those type of things. I think we need to limit the number of
014transfers. I don't know what number everybody's going >> Yeah, I mean you're only in high school for four years so I would say if you're getting an inter-district transfer you get that one time and if you either you know voluntarily revoke that or it's revoked for a discipline or an attendance thing then we you're no longer eligible for an inter-district transfer. >> And and to that in the transfers revoked section that whole last not last line item but second to the last there and on the second to last page we we're going to have to revise that too and say to to your point right? You get you get your transfer revoked that's it. You don't get another opportunity. >> Yeah, I mean right now it's a one and done now it says you can
015do it again. You're just ineligible for one year. Right. You can come back. Yeah, I mean I think we should limit the transfers. But I mean we got to get into like is that so if you have I mean you have high school choice which is considered an inter-district transfer let's just say hypothetically and then you did it at the elementary like we have to be clear on like if you got revoked in third grade does that take away your opportunity in in grade? Right. We need to drive clarity out of that. It's a good question. I think where I think where I'm going I Yeah. I mean, this is This is a lot to walk through. Yeah. I mean I mean, personally speaking, I would say that that those are two different transfers to
016some degree. And so I I would I would think you have you know, one of each. Right. I don't know how you're going to define that, but Yeah, to Joe's point, the way this was worded now, a student who has her transfer revoked will be ineligible to apply for transfer for one calendar year. We want to change that, basically, so you get one transfer. You know, and if it's revoked, you don't get a second chance. And then to Blaine's point, do we need to change that for primary and secondary transfers? That's what I was going to say. You need to set that for each age. I don't know what kind of numbers we're talking about affecting when we talk about something like that, but again, the point is to make it black and white, so
017Agreed. I mean, what are y'all's thoughts on that? Mine Mine is that if you get it revoked, then for that duration of the If you get it revoked in elementary, you can't transfer elementary anymore. I mean, I don't think you're held to it for the rest of your time at school. I would agree because I mean Yeah, that's right. Agreed. Yeah, I think you get a shot in each one of those. Now, if you get it revoked once each time, you're done. I do think the other thing to talk about is if we're going to word it in there, is the eighth grade high school choice considered your transfer? Or do you get one after that? I would say that is your transfer. I mean, you still have to apply for that transfer. To me,
018that would be a high school transfer. Okay. So, if you apply for the transfer, if you go to your zoned school, then you're fine. You could have applied at at your sophomore year to go to the other school, and that would then you're okay to do it. Yes, but there would be extracurricular issues that arise there at that point. Yeah, if you're involved with extracurriculars, yeah, there's Well, I mean, you would just have to know that. That would be considered a But I thought we I thought we talked about that, and we said that you your opportunity, if you're here But if you went your freshman year here, you already had your opportunity. Correct. Agreed. Yeah. You'd have to wait. Yeah, so >> You'd have to sit out a calendar year for extracurricular. But even
019>> call out the extracurricular things in more detail. Well, I mean, I think I think you need to state that UIL um eligibility is impacted, maybe impacted by your transfers. But that's listed in here. Is Which is that Oh, yeah, there it is. There it is, yeah. I don't think we need to get in the detail of that, but again, I thought we talked about for your high school choice, you got the option as an eighth grader or the first year you moved to the district, right? You just said something about a sophomore. What I'm talking non I'm I'm talking non-extracurricular. I mean, you haven't got any extracurricular. >> But even non but even non-extracurricular, are we going to allow kids that went to Medina say they went to Medina Valley their freshman year, and
020then decided their sophomore year they wanted to transfer? I think you're you have your one oppor- like That would be your one opportunity. One transfer. One transfer, yeah. I don't want to limit it. Say a kid gets in Medina Valley um high school and realizes like, hey, my better opportunity is is to Creekview, you get that opportunity to do that. Well, I'm I'm asking cuz it's not spelled out that way here. It's not defined that way here. Well, that those are two separate things. Yeah. So, so that's what we got to work through. Well, high school choice You have high school choice. You have special enrollment by program, and then you have transfers. Yeah. What we're talking about two different things. High school choice would be what you decide coming out of eighth grade. If
021you didn't do a transfer and then your sophomore year you wanted to transfer, that would fall under the transfer policy. That would no longer fall under high school choice. All right, I see what we're saying. Okay. And then we would prioritize these obviously going in. It's probably going to go employees, high school choice, then special programs, and then transfers, etc. Something like that. We need to define that those windows out there. I mean, I think we could probably just work through the details on these cuz we're kind of intertwining some of these. Yeah. I think we need to work through you know, each one kind of into I mean, special enrollment by program that's that's pretty much what we're doing already. If there's a program offered at one place and not at the other, you
022you can transfer for that program. So, that one's pretty cut and dry to me. But I think the high school choice and and then the, you know, just straight inter-district transfers those are two different things that we're discussing. But when we talk about enrollment though, I think the other ones, the employee and the transfer for program when we open those windows up, right? Shouldn't those take priority as far as scheduling? Of when the window opens up to apply for those? Yeah, they would have to be by priority. Yeah. Yeah, correct. So, in theory they would be higher priority because we got to make sure we have capacity after that occurs. Yeah. Right. So, those windows would end first. >> Correct. Okay. Yeah, and the employees would would apply for the transfer. >> Employees, yeah, first
023and then by program and then, yeah, correct. We got to make sure we define that. And then maybe in here I Well, I think those dates will evolve each year cuz the calendar so you you're just going to prioritize them in in a in an order. I just wonder, yeah, if we just set the order and then Yeah, cuz the dates are going to change every year. Correct. I I would say we set them in order of priority though. Agreed. Yeah, like we set the priority of what those are going to be. Going back a little bit to the high school of choice thing, one of the thing, I mean, we're saying we're going to give kids, this is the one that's kind of sticking with me a little bit. We give give them the
024choice going before ninth grade for high school of choice. I don't know how I feel about the opportunity to transfer while they're while they already picked a high school. What do you mean? What do you mean? Well, the example you said earlier that that they go to as a sophomore they decide they don't want to go to that school anymore and they want then they want to transfer. I that's not something I >> So what you're saying is as a as they go into their ninth grade year, that's they're making their choice then and they stick with it throughout >> That's kind of what in my mind I'm leaning toward. I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons of of both of allowing an extra transfer from one high school to another after that school
025of choice decision is made. Well, I don't see how you would have that. I'm not following. So if you if you are an eighth grader and you select to stay at we'll say the high school that you're zoned at. Correct. >> Okay. Right? You you haven't made a transfer. Right. So, if you transfer your sophomore year, that's your one transfer. If you're in eighth grade and you decide to go to you know, the other high school that you're the Not zoned for. And it's an And it's an inter-district transfer, that's your transfer. I guess basically, Matt, what you're saying is you don't get high school kids don't get the transfer. I I'm just I'm just thinking out loud. I'm just trying to think through that situation cuz trying to avoid a little bit of the
026administrative complexity of that, but Yeah. It's going to be It's going to be a challenge to keep up with this. Yeah, and I get what you're saying. I I understand what you're saying, Matt. You're saying their choice is is eighth grade. They're making their choice for where they want to go to high school, and that's it. Yeah. I mean, don't don't don't I mean, I'm not trying to make that what my decision is. I'm just trying to I hate to lock a kid in to that choice permanently. That's my struggle. If we have capacity and it's a better fit for them at the other high school, we would allow What we don't What we My personal view is what we can't open is we can't open every year on bouncing back and forth. I think
027we have to limit that. That you get your opportunity for one transfer. That's That's my view. You know, I would say the transfer needs to be a little restricted, though, based eighth grade decision in the ninth grade. They're going to make that decision once they've already started in one high school. We got to be restrictive on what that is going to be allowed to do cuz you're still just allowing them to make a decision based on on nothing, right? There's no There's no stipulations that or restrictions that say Well, what would those restrictions be? Yeah, what do you What do you mean? I'm What I'm trying to prevent is just a constant move of kids every year and us having to have an administrations that haven't that's having to keep up with all these different
028kids moving to and from. I think it's going to be an administrative nightmare to do this. It's a lot. I mean, we're we're a fast growth district and we we haven't even opened a second high school yet and we're about to introduce or try to introduce a regulation that just give gives free free will to move wherever before each year. Well, it's not before each year if you're limiting it to one. How how would it be free will to move? Or you're saying each year we would have transfers, not necessarily the same kid each year. Right. So, you're saying you're the administration headache of hey, I have 15 transfer or 50 transfer requests coming in. And specifically from a from a high school perspective, I mean, I'm just thinking about kids in their their schedule
029and their program I mean, how they've scheduled coursework and stuff like that. I don't And then you move them to a different high school and they're in their sophomore year or junior year, you know. different campus We got juniors wanting to transfer for their senior year, which also makes me think about we need to spell out transfers for GPA hunting. How do we cover that? That I I believe that's already covered. Is it in here? different policy. I'm I'm on I mean, In a different policy. Yeah, there's already I I I believe that there's already one that says you have to be four consecutive things that put in there with opening another high school, but there's something that says you the one out there that says you have to be what is it? Four consecutive
030semesters. Yes. >> Two years at the at the high school you're going up to the Yeah. >> I just want to make sure that whatever we adopt We we are going to have to change that policy because I believe and Laura and I were looking at it the other We're going to have to add one word and I think it's same. Yes. same high school Yeah, that's what I was worried about. I was worried about one policy kind of superseding another or at least being able to be interpreted that way, you know. We're always going to have that, but I'm going to I'm going to throw this out there. I don't know I want to I'm going to make sure I want to get your feedback on this. So if you if you really look
031at this in our situation you're going to have and maybe I'm wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're going to have two schools that this is going to apply to. That's Castorville and that's Creekview. When you look at the capacity part of this, right? >> Mhm. You're talking currently. currently right now, yes. When when we start school next year. All right. And so if you look if you look particularly at the at the high schools and and and just from the the program perspective you know, to to me and maybe I'm looking at this wrong, but to me this implementing this would greatly benefit Creekview. And at the same time could hurt Medina Valley. Medina Valley not get any benefit from this. Um From what standpoint? From the standpoint of kids are going to be
032able to transfer to Creekview but they're not going to be able to transfer to Medina Valley. Because Medina Valley will be at capacity. So I'm just throwing that out there. I want to make sure that that that, you know, the board is and like I said, maybe I'm looking at it this wrong. And I agree with and I think Blaine, I think it's you that said this this is probably not going to be as many kids as we think it's going to be. I agree with that part, but it still to me could have an impact uh from that standpoint. And so, just throwing that out there and getting y'all's feedback on that. Is that a concern? Should we be concerned about that? >> so, I think I I I follow you on that. I
033mean, I think that yeah, obviously, right? Like in in immediate that is the case. Um I think me personally, I'm looking at this as like a broader picture of this is the first time we're opening a second high school. At some point, it's going to be a third high school. At some point, it's probably a fourth high school, right? And so, so I think you know, getting this implemented now, even though there's challenges, obviously, like you said with Medina Valley. I mean, I I think Medina Valley is at capacity this year. I I I'd have to go look at the numbers. I'm not sure that that would apply to next year. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. >> Once the senior class You know, cuz next year you're you're going to lose half
034the senior class. So, I I definitely this year I would say that applies. I'm I'd have to look at the numbers to see if it is in the next year. And then on the elementaries, Yeah, I'm not sure what we said that day. Yeah, correct. I don't want to be short-sighted in like yes, it it in the initial year, it may impact, but I don't want to limit us long-term with what we're doing because of a single year. Hey, we we only have capacity at one high school year one. I think this balances out. I'm almost positive it's next year when we look at Yeah, that's why I said I have to look at the numbers to see what what the Cuz Creek is 24 hundred? Yes. >> Yeah, so that's what? 18 three So,
0352160 is 90%. So, they won't be at capacity for a few years or or at least they won't be at 90% for a few years, probably three or four. Just out of curiosity, is Medina Valley 2250? Medina Valley High School Capacity-wise? 100% not the 90% but So Depends on who you ask. We Yeah, we currently have been saying right at 2100. 21? That's the number I remember. Yeah, we kind of felt that was a much more doable number in the cafeteria and helped a lot in the hallways. Yeah. Now, I mean, I think that needs to be dived into a little bit deeper. >> Sure. Just so that we're not I mean, I know, you know, we're not any other school district, but I wonder how the other districts that have adopted a high school
036choice have dealt with have dealt with the transfer situation allowing transfers after they've made a choice. I don't really see that captured in anything that I looked at. So, you know. I think you're right. >> So What? It It It is defined in there. Is that Kind of what we're talking about basically that if, you know, once you will call that first one high school choice, once you've gone to a high school and then if you want to return to the other high school you know, that's your transfer and then it also discusses automatically sitting 365 days for extracurriculars. Yeah. For all the That's what basically that transfer section is. It says with the exception of high school choice. Correct. >> that's what this section is. >> Correct. Yeah, I looked at that. I was
037just talking to Another question. So, if we do move forward with something like this for next school year current ninth and 10th graders at Medina Valley I'm I'm assuming if we move forward with they get one transfer their secondary while they're in the secondary school, that would apply to them. The 9th and 10th graders being able to I I would think so. I would think so. Yes. I I mean In all fairness, I don't know how you could limit them in year one and then everybody else have the opportunity the following year. Right. So then how do I think they make their I think they get to make their high school choice. Another thing that I did not see in here is so if we're talking about capacity, say we have a a campus uh
038that we figure capacity they they have the ability to to add 10 kids next year. Well, there's 15 that apply for transfers to that school. How we going to determine what 10 uh go to that school? They're going to have to be first come first served. Exactly. Based on when their application was returned. That's the only fair way in my mind. I think it's a good call out that you should add it in here. >> Some Some do a lottery. Yeah. Some do a lottery as well. Some do a lottery. I don't know how almost just like >> They're electronic applications. They got to be time stamped. Correct. Correct. So, we've we've gone forth and we've already submitted numbers on what our we think our school is going to be at each school and we've
039already determined what Creek View is 4A, Leon Valley is 5A. Say we get X number of kids that totally sways that number. Is that we have any recourse for having for doing that? UIL stuff. From the UIL standpoint? Um you have to be off by a very large amount. >> know it's got to be a large number, but I mean There could Yeah, I mean I mean it I mean I'll I'll say this, you know, we're we're talking about, you know, other districts that have done this. You know, this isn't other districts have done this in the past 6 months or two year like specifically it's been running for 18 years. So, I mean, I I I personally went and checked some other districts like just to not not just neighboring districts, but other districts
040across the state, other fast growing districts. I could not find one that did not have the opportunity to transfer. Yeah, me personally, I could not find one. So, I think, you know, part of this too is is you know, and it's kind of the elephant in the room, right? But I mean there's a lot of neighboring districts that are becoming open districts. There's all kinds of opportunities that they are offering and and so at the end of the day, you know, we can debate about, you know, whether high school choice is good or bad and maybe, you know, 20 years ago we'd have probably all said it's it's not a good idea, but in in you know, the the the way that things are run today, kids are going to go to the school where
041they want to go. I mean, that that's that's that's, you know, my my view and I think with what, you know, some of the San Antonio districts are starting to implement, like I I think ultimately that could impact us with losing kids to those districts as well. Yeah. I mean, we're not reinventing reinventing the wheel on this. This is stuff that's out there. I think I I second that concern of like if you make it so restrictive, then you open up them really going to out of district and other places. And I just don't see the reason Just don't see how many people have the actual opportunity to to do that in large numbers. I don't mean it's going to be a It's going to be a select few people that are able to do
042that. But I What What do you mean? I mean You talking about from like a just an ability perspective? >> transportation, you name it. It's going to be It's not a large number of people that are going to be able to do that, right? So I mean, are we making a policy that that a select few in our district, a small percentage, are going to be able to even Right? I mean, you're saying if if we don't adopt this and we leave it the way it is, how many What's that percentage even look like of people that are going to leave the school district? It's going to be very low. >> about the same that would actually implement the transfer policy. Those limitations are are still there for like let's say transportation as an example.
043You have to provide your own transportation. The limiting factor and you know it will be like some kids won't have that opportunity because of the transportation. Those are I I guess what I'm saying is the kids that have the opportunity to to go transfer to the to the other district are the same ones that probably have the opportunity for the interdistrict. >> And yeah, and I think that even on top of like we have to get something in there because today there's nothing there. I mean, kids today can submit a transfer to Creekview. What would we say to it? It's very subjective. Right? Like they They can transfer today. Correct, Dr. Kaler? They could submit a transfer today. They could Yes. They could do it right now under our current policy. And I think the
044issue that we get into is that there's nothing out there for people to understand, so it can get very dicey whenever if we approve some and don't approve others. That there's nothing for like to back up why those decisions are made. Cuz we have we have an inter-district transfer form that people can go fill out. And they do and they fill it out and and and Mr. Langy and and his department have some things in place to determine whether or not the those uh those transfers are going to be accepted. So, I wouldn't say that it's just, you know, a uh okay, yeah, you're in, you're you're not. I I think we have some things in place. Now, are they in a reg? No, they're not in a reg and you're right, we need to
045get them in a reg. >> Right. That That's the point of what we're doing. And we need to debate what they are all the time. The key thing is getting it known out there, so it's transparent that people know, "Hey, this is the tran- for both sides. It gives administration some backing to understand like, "Hey, no, this is what we're regulated by." I think it benefits both sides. And whether it's wherever we want to go down with it, we just need to debate that and get something documented out there. Like Like we said earlier though, I there is not a district that I can find out there that does not allow transfers of some form. I just I I go I'm going back again, uh not to beat a dead horse, but I wonder how
046they handle the high school choice and then allow that second that other transfer. That's the one that's sticking with me. I think Joe I can see he kind of What I'm in the same position on that. I mean, we got to know what and really define what that needs. Are Are you saying >> down high school choice. I heard you questioning the whole high school choice I do I do question it, but I understand y'all's point on it, but But are you saying speak more to that, Matt? So, you're saying it's >> I'm saying that if we allow high school I I kind of I kind of have I'm I'm leaning towards the way Joe what I think I interpreted hit what he said is that if we have high school choice, once you to
047that choice, that's it. You're done. Yeah. But I don't I don't I don't Yeah, so I I I guess the question I would along those same lines how many districts you know allow them to choose their eighth grade year which high school they go to? After you choose There's different implementations out there. I mean But but this is what we're looking at the eighth grade choice, right? How many districts have you seen that do that? I know of five. Yeah. Five? >> I know other ones that >> And I mean I didn't look at all every district in the state. I mean I looked at more I know that other ones that are just open. Yeah. So I mean that's the other option, right? You go open And I think that's I think that to
048me that's what I'm hearing from these two is why why are we why are we doing the eighth grade and the open? Why don't we just want do one or the other? Well, I think so so this is me speaking, right? So if you have open okay? We we we just said in one, you know, sentence that we want kids to be aligned with a, you know, a pathway in high school. So I think our ultimate goal, cuz that is super important. I mean even in like talking to the principals at the secondary campuses, right? Like we're trying to get people on a pathway their freshman year, right? So whatever that pathway, whether it's to college, whether it's to CTE, whatever that pathway looks like. So I think that in my mind is is the
049worry of everybody even in what Matt and Joe are saying is like how do you get a kid on a pathway when they can bounce back and forth? You can't keep them on a pathway. So for for me you know, once you decide your high school, you know, if we did high school choice as an example, if if we do open, you would still have to limit that to you know, we'll we'll say one as an example for for high school. So you get one of those, right? I I don't see the difference in that really between the high school choice and and saying, "Okay, we have a transfer policy." The thing I think that is unique about the high school choice is that it makes it kind of clear that we want you to
050define that path in eighth grade. Right? Cuz I mean the ultimate goal in all of this, I would say, is to once a kid shows up to high school their freshman year, like we'd like for them to stay at that high school their whole high school I mean I don't want it to be my freshman year I go to Creekview, my sophomore year I go to my my junior year a new high school opens, now I'm going to go to the third high school. I'm going to go to three different places like cuz that doesn't benefit anybody. It's what I was saying earlier, like we can't have that, but we also like you can't I don't want to take opportunities away if they have the option to go over, like I said earlier, I'm in
051my sophomore year, I went to Medina Valley and I decided, "Hey, this just isn't the right atmosphere for me." I get the chance to go to one shot. Like you get one transfer. Right? You get it the other way, too, with high school choice. Let's say went to I transfer I use my transfer to go to Creekview and then I decided like, "Nope, I don't." Now there's ramifications for extracurriculars and all of that. And I go back to my zoned school, like your your transfer you used your transfer. But that's my view on it. Well, give me an example of like walk me through an example of like what you're talking about. Like your scenario, Matt. No, I'm I I mean I'm thinking I'm okay with with high school choice. I just I just want
052that to be the final decision. After that >> from a from a like I I don't know how you could say that's your final decision. Well, I mean weighing the pros and cons myself, yeah, that is that's the way that I think it, you know, limits I mean I I have no idea what kind of numbers we're going to end up talking about here, but I'm trying to balance out giving kids a choice without making this an administrative nightmare. So, you're saying high school choice and then if in eighth grade I decide I'm going to go to to this school. You're you're you're your you're you're limited to staying there. And you can't let's say if I went to you know, Creekview, but transportation became a problem. You're just going to tell the kid, well,
053sorry. I mean, how could you I mean, that's that's yeah. I'm Mine's not on the transfer back. Mine's the their zone in Medina Medina Valley High School. They made the decision eighth grade. I'm zoned there. I'm going to stay there. And then after their freshman year, they're going to say, well, now I want to transfer to the other high school. That's what I'm trying to >> with you. I follow you on that. I actually agree with that. I was more so thinking along the lines of of the kid that sounds all great, you know, my parents can get me there and everything's going to be great and then, you know, family dynamic changes, car breaks down, can't get there. I agree with that. That's a hardship, right? And then if I could go back over
054there, I can ride a bus. Yeah. So, so I I I do kind of follow with the with the, you know, high school choice and then, you know, basically you could go back to your home school one time. We'll call it your home school. I don't know what you would actually call it, but Your zoned school is your zoned school. Your zoned school. Yeah. Yeah, that's more where I'm That's more where I'm at on the transfer, right? It make your decision eighth grade and if you didn't make that decision to transfer, you're you're stuck there at Medina Valley High School. If that's where you're zoned, that's where you stay. You didn't make that decision eighth grade to ninth, tough. You're stuck there. That's where I'm at. And we can do that from the perspective of
055like that's your opportunity for a transfer. But I will tell you what people are going to do. They're going to go run an apartment over there or whatever they're going to do and they're going to I mean at that point that's their So, if you know, we I we can't word it that says you have to stay at this high school. I mean if you move Well, yeah. Correct. Yeah, that'd be an address change. >> You're moving within the district. You buy a house in another area. Yeah. People do it, though. I don't I don't doubt it. I know people that go from this school district to another neighborhood. But I mean I I I understand that pathway. I mean I I'm I'm following that. I think that's where my confusion was is like not
056letting a kid come back to their No, I think they should always be able to I mean they could come back to their zone school. I agree with that talking through this. Yeah. I'm just trying to limit limit the back and forth. the back and forth, you know, I don't Does that create an an issue where everybody's going to try the school that I know I can move from? Right? Cuz I might as well take Cuz really now what we're saying is your only transfer opportunity is eighth grade. And so, I'm going to take advantage of it and go try that and then I I know I can go back one way, but I can't go the other way. I couldn't find where other districts allow their They get the school choice, but I couldn't
057find that they get an additional transfer af- after that. I guess that it's not an additional transfer. I look at it as you get one transfer. You can use it in eighth grade. You can Like you just get one transfer. That's the way I was looking at it. I mean I I get what you guys are saying. Yeah, it's I mean yeah, this is I mean there's so many variables. I mean there are but I also think we could we could, you know, Cuz even like you know, Joe speaking I went like well, that makes sense. I mean for sure but I think we could sit here and go over the 4,000 scenarios of what if and what if and what if I I mean I'll say, you know, I'm a huge proponent of when
058when people have done something and it's been successful for that long. Like I I think we, you know, like you said earlier we're not reinventing the wheel. I mean I think that, you know, that we do have some guidance out there for what has worked. I mean that's how every decision is made. I mean not just not not just this. I mean everything's made based upon past experience and what works and what doesn't. I mean so do so do we go as far as as stating that you'll get at 8th grade you'll get your choice of high schools and then your only opportunity to transfer after that would be back to your zone school? I I I'm leaning towards and I like I said I I'm leaning towards you get one transfer. That's where that
059could be, you know, cuz school choice is one trans is a type of transfer and then just a regular transfer is a type of transfer. You get one. Yeah, I I think the difference is is basically I think what they're saying is your school choice is your transfer opportunity. >> Correct. Right? That even if you choose your zone >> Correct. So yeah, in one sentence we're saying you get one opportunity and then the other sentence we're saying you get one transfer. Right? But that's kind of where what we're discussing. Right. Correct. So >> So do you take out do you take out the 8th grade part and just say, "Okay, they've got one transfer there while they're in secondary schools." And then the I just think the highest I I It basically becomes if they
060want to use it their freshman year, they Yeah. they use it. >> Mhm. Eliminate the whole paragraph. Just say now you're tran- it's a transfer. But I think the reason that's in there, back to pinning kids, we want them as much as possible deciding then. We want that towards and it's out of our I I'm going to speak on something else and we can get some clarification on this, but I think from an extracurricular from specifically an extracurricular standing that UIL will differentiate high school choice versus just a transfer. Yes. From my understanding. We can get clarification on that, but I think there is a difference between we're a high school choice district and we just allow a transfer. Dustin, do you want to you want to talk to that a little bit? He's had
061some good conversations. >> Yes. Yeah, so you know, I've I've emailed UIL just to kind of feel them out. A lot of it does come down to board decision, but I would say that based on a couple different documents, they do there is a difference between school of choice and transfer, right? Um and and so school of choice, you know, um they it says it's basically you know, I said it is their residency based on their first opportunity of where they chose first or is it based on where they live? And you know, the answer from the from UIL was it really is based on the board decision on what you guys want. However, like when I look at you know, from the UIL kind of the varsity eligibility packet, it does say if an
062athlete transfers and it does say intra district or out of district transfer to a program of study or choice, it would be sub-varsity eligibility only and kind of in their flow chart. And so, if it is a transfer, then then that that does that would put them into and they don't live there, then that would put them into the ineligible category. Where if it is school of choice, right? And that's their first opportunity to choose, then I I believe that they would be able to be eligible for that senior year. And then if they or their that that first their they would be eligible, but if they ever did change choose anything different, then they would be ineligible for 365 days. So, that's primarily why that that's in there in there that because that presents
063their first opportunity is going into their freshman year. Yes. So. Or if if we enacted it now, then our if a freshman current freshman or sophomore chose, then that was their first opportunity because Creekview did they didn't have a choice before this. So, that would be the first opportunity that they they had to choose it. It's the same thing, you know, with the law enforcement educator, military, law where, you know, if if a if somebody in that group changes jobs or something, then that student at the first opportunity can change schools and not be ineligible. And that's just really kind of changing jobs or you know, you you'd have to kind of show that through documentation, but it's it's very similar to that rule as well is what I would say. I worry about if
064we put it as transfers, we're going to have going into it, we're going to have parents and lawyers and everything else fighting UIL, and we're going to have multiple messes on our hands trying to sort through what those are. So, I lean towards having the choice. So rather than going through all of that. So I'm going to wear it backwards here a little bit cuz we're or we I guess what So primary campus is pretty clear for I mean is it and if anybody disagrees but we're going to do 90% capacity. We have to define the capacity, right? So we can publish that information. We would list which campuses elementary wise are closed campuses and ineligible before the open period for the transfers. And then the same would apply at middle schools. Is that I
065mean does anybody have any Right. >> Agreed. Just just to clarify and they they do have it in there as it is projected enrollment. Not current enrollment at that time. It's what's projected for the for the next school year. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So so I think our biggest, you know, discussion point now is high school choice and transfers at at a high school. Agreed. All right. So Yeah, so I definitely lean towards keeping us as a high school choice district because of the PAPF and the UIL nightmare that will arise from you know, just specifically allowing kids to transfer. And then once you have high school choice, I mean one thing that we're clear on too is for all extracurriculars once you have high school choice if you go back to your zone campus you
066are ineligible for 365 days. Correct. Yeah. Like we can define that in here so that that is, you know, and that will apply to, you know, extracurriculars but that would be defined so that, you know, we limit some, you know, It's across the board all the extracurriculars. >> All extracurriculars. Correct. We we can write that in as a board to where that's defined and it's just cut and dry. There's there's And and I know the other districts do have that in there that do have high school choice. Yeah. And even on top of that, I'm a proponent for if it fits and it's the best environment for the kid, we should allow that to happen. What we have to limit is them bouncing back and forth. We cannot allow where we don't know how to
067plan. That's what we have to get through this. So, just to kind of status where we're at. I mean, right now, um we want to change the percentage. Do we say 90? But 90% I think 90% of the 90% We need to update the employee section to all. Um we need to define the priority of what we see as the the order of hierarchies of how we would um prioritize transfers. Yeah. And then clarify um the the situation that you brought up, Dr. Kloss, where we have we're hitting capacity and how do we differentiate who gets those, whether it's a lottery or it's first come, first serve, etc. Those are the items of of improvement that I have right now. Matt, I heard you say you want more info on how other districts handle the
068the flat transfers. No, not the flat transfers. Just just going back to the the the high school of choice. You know, what do they give them the opportunity to transfer back to their zone school after they do a school of choice? I mean, are we unique or there's something already written that you know, how how do they handle that? So, you're saying if they choose a transfer in their school of choice, they choose an out-of-zone campus, are they allowed to just go back? Correct. Correct. Okay. Is that the standard Is that the standard or Are they allowed to to go back are you saying are they allowed an additional transfer? Are they No, you're right. Are they allowed an additional additional transfer period after >> He's going back. Consider either way. after the high school
069choice period. That's what I would say. Yeah, because of to Blaine's point if we're talking about a hardship or something like that it's hard to consider that a transfer. That's not a transfer. Yeah, that's not a hardship. In my mind We have high school choice and we have transfers. Those are two totally independent things. Right. >> Okay? And here's where I'm at. High school choice is everybody has that opportunity. Like and then you may or may not use it basically, right? And then I think you should get one transfer. That's how I That's it. That's how I >> And high school choice is not a transfer. You're not transferring. You're choosing. I agree. >> And then if you get one so so you can walk through that both ways. If you stay at your home
070campus or your zoned campus and then your sophomore year, you know, or the end of freshman you wanted to transfer that's your one, right? And and I mean, if you go to your non-zoned campus, right? And you want to come back you've already used your one. So so that keeps anybody from going back and forth. I don't see how I mean I I got to walk through this. They could have a hardship too. What's that? They could possibly have a hardship too and have to move back. What do you mean? No, but you've used yours. You've already used yours. What I can't do is make my high school choice out of zone then come back and then say I have to transfer. >> You only get one transfer. >> right. So if you choose to
071use your transfer as your high school choice, then you used your transfer. >> Basically comes down to definition. Transfer is moving to a to a school out of your zone. Right. So that's your transfer. Once you're done that one time, regardless of whether that was high school choice And that's what I was thinking. or later determination, that's your one. That's correct. Because the coming back to your zone school is not a transfer. You had an approved transfer, you're done. We should be able to put that in Skyward. Yeah. I I would think. Yeah, I think you can. You're you're right. But but bottom line is yeah, it will be one time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You get it one time. >> Coming back to your zone school is not a transfer, but at that point you'd
072be out of transfers anyways cuz it's cuz the only way you could have been at that other school is if you already used your transfer. Yeah, right. So so a little clarification cuz earlier we talked about giving them one chance to transfer in primary school or elementary school and then one in secondary school. So if they use a transfer in middle school I think um Joe called it out of like you go K through 5 6 through 8. I we need to clarify that. So do we say you get one at K through 5, you get one 6 through 8, and then you get one high school? school choice is one I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean cuz cuz hear me out. If you're saying that here's where the issue would arise. If
073you're saying that school choice is one, if I chose a transfer in 6th grade, now I don't have school choice anymore? Right. I think well, that's different. Remember we said transfer >> But we But we said if you choose school choice, you don't get an additional transfer. >> Yeah, it counts as your one. So it is. So you would get two then. So I I think it has to be broken out. I also think we're this the number of kids, I mean, in talking to some other people in some other districts, like this isn't going to be some This isn't like hundreds of kids Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to be a lot of kids. I'm just saying we're going to have all these different kinds of situations. So >> So, we need to
074be clear on it. Right. how we're going to handle them. Okay. I mean, I want I want to speak on one thing. We we're already doing this, just not It's not definitively clear in a regulation. All of these things that we're discussing can already occur. This isn't anything new. And actually, it's unbounded. Yeah. >> You could, right? Like Technically, you could today, let's say we open Creekview next year. You could have a kid request a transfer to Creekview, have that approved, go there, then say, "No, I'm not going to go there anymore." and go to their zone school as a sophomore, then submit a transfer request as a junior and go to Creekview again. Technically, by our rules today, they could do that back and forth all they want. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's nothing saying
075in our policy that they can't do that. Yeah, not that we would allow that, but yes. >> Yeah, right. That's where we get into problems, right? Is is then parents are going, "Why Why did I get denied?" Well, here. Well, I don't agree with that. Well, let's get it cut and dry. Okay, so let's walk through the stuff you were saying. So, if we have 10 spots and 15 transfers, Mhm. I would think first come, first serve. I agree with that. The lottery thing to me just gets gray. Yep. Yeah, that's the I applied first, but I didn't get it. Right. Yeah. Yeah, first come, first serve. You applied in the 11th hour and you got lucky and got I mean, to me, first come, first serve is just crystal clear for everybody. So, that's
076one. And then, the order, in my opinion, would be you know, the first one that you're going to have to do, though, is renewals. You know, cuz you're going to have a renewal period, right? Cuz it it I mean, the these you know, the secondary ones are non-renewed every year, but at a at a primary campus, those those are reevaluated every year. I mean, it says that in here. So, you can't you're going to have to, you know, >> I thought it said somewhere in here that No, it's but primary campuses choice you didn't have to Yeah, correct. I'm talking about I'm talking about elementary campuses specifically. I'm talking about those those. Well, I guess it'd be elementary and potentially middle school, right? So, I think that we have to make sure that somewhere, you
077know, early on in that priority list is renewals, right? Cuz cuz if our whole purpose is to try to keep kids at campuses where they stay, we can't be removing them by our own doing because we let people, you know, get in front of the line. But then again, do I I'm thinking about employees. Does that Does that Should that one always take the highest priority? >> we don't limit employees based upon those same standards currently. Correct? Correct. So, so the employees are not going to be limited by the the 90% capacity. So, So, correct. So, so then you could do the employees first. >> Right. And the renewals, right? Like those would be the two priorities. And then after that would be you'd have to do high school choice before you just did high
078school transfers. Right. Because the high school choice would determine where you sit for projections. Yeah. No, completely agree. I'm just All kinds of things are running through I mean, back to the high school choice, the the So, kid uh going into their freshman year wants to attend the high school out of their zone. But we deny it because of capacity. What happens then? And the next year we lose kids and we have capacity, do they get a second choice? A second Well, I'm just thinking I'm thinking more from the eligibility standpoint. So, obviously they probably want to apply again, you know, going into their soph- uh uh sophomore year. >> Mhm. And if at that time we have room and we allow them to transfer, what does that do to their eligibility? >> It makes
079them ineligible for 365 days. Yeah, cuz that would not be their first choice. Yeah. Right. It's a chance. It says chance. And I know I'm throw- I mean Yeah, no no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. But I mean I think at that point I mean it's it's cut and dry. I mean once you have established yourself at a high school, I mean it's pretty crystal clear with you on what occurs after that. I lean back on Renato and Rena bending the wheel here. Like that we would have heard about that from these other districts when they did it. I think they would have said you always Are their their high schools at capacity? Mhm. I don't think so. Yeah. >> So, that's a little bit different. Yes.
080We're going to have We're going to get there quick. At points throughout we're going to have Yeah. Yeah. one or some at capacity. Just because of our growth. Yeah. But I mean that's also a benefit in my mind. You know, if you're talking through takeaway you know, the UIL and all that, in my mind you know, we we're constantly trying to balance out enrollment and get kids to where we have, you know, more space. So, in my mind that potentially is actually beneficial for certain campuses, you know, cuz in theory, I mean, you if you're over capacity, I mean, if we could re- we're not doing this, by the way. I don't want anybody to think that's what what I'm saying, but I mean, in theory, if you could rezone, you know, campuses every 6
081months, you could balance out it, you know, the the capacity a lot better. We'd never do that, but I mean, I don't see how that's not beneficial to to capacity when And I I mean, again, you still to Joe's point, you still have to have the ability to have transportation. You still Like, there's all these other factors that go into this from a family dynamic perspective for the parents that you know, I I don't I don't think that becomes detrimental. Yeah, and I think I would ask the question, too, if we're if we're pushing so many like so many kids to what if we have that many transfers or high school high school choice that are going one direction, why is that? Yeah, that would push us over it like like we need to ask
082those questions. Yeah. Yeah, sure. We can't grant the transfer because that high school's at capacity. But that's their chance for UIL, right? That was your first opportunity, right? Well, is it opportunity or chance? Well, and I think it's one of those where as we start getting there, like we stay ahead of it and revisit how we would handle those things. What were the other There was more things that you had listed up? That was I mean, that was most of them. >> Laura, you're writing all this down, right, Laura? You got the one on the once it's revoked, you're done. Huh? The one on the transfer >> Yeah. Yeah, we need to change that. Right. >> Cuz right now it says a student who has their transfer revoked will be ineligible to apply Got a
083page up here for transfer for one calendar year not be able to What I would say will be ineligible to apply. >> be ineligible for that period, which would be K through 5. >> Yeah. 6 through 8, 9 through 12. Right. What page is that one on? I'm sorry. So number 2. And then the top of the last. Are Are y'all good with the the um the classroom ratio part of this? I'm I'm a little concerned especially at the secondary level with that. Is that our current? That's our current, yes. But I I I'm I'm more concerned from the standpoint of Okay, say you have a um a high school kid that wants to transfer and we're okay from a capacity standpoint but that class or grade level for whatever reason is over the 30
084to 1. Then they would be denied. Right. But if I'm that student, I'm say I I might just say put me in a different class. Y'all I'm not I mean Do y'all think we need that? >> think we need that clause in there. Yeah. And the reason I say that is currently speaking, if we if students, you know, in in the fall turn in their stuff for next year we we could still run into that same situation. I mean, I don't I don't see how that I mean, unless I'm missing something, but We should just We should staff for projected enrollment and I mean, we're not going to allow transfers in the middle of the year with the exception of the disciplinary stuff. >> That's the other piece that I want to talk through here
085in a second. >> So I mean I I don't think >> secondary and elementary or just secondary? As far as what? The the classroom size, the ratios. I mean how do we handle that currently? With If we're I mean we those are the ratios we target, but if we knew that if we know the enrollment, how could why wouldn't we be able to target those same ratios? Yeah. Maybe I'm missing something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well I would think you'd take them out at both. First of all at the elementary level you you can't be over those ratios. >> Correct. That's what I was going to say. It's through fourth grade. Fifth grade you can, but But I'm saying that if we know the enrollment and we're doing this early enough in the spring the year
086prior we should never run into that situation. Am I Maybe I'm missing something. No, you're not. You're right. I mean the only way it would it would change is if the projections were Yeah. not accurate. Yeah, with more kids than we thought. But that's that's not going to happen anyway. You're not going to be able to determine that. Correct. It's too late anyway. That could happen today. We have 200 more kids show up in a grade year all of a sudden. I would just remove those. I'd remove it. And change it to 90%. Yeah. Okay. So I want to walk through unless there's something else we need to talk about right this second. So I want to walk through like revoking a transfer, right? So some concerns came up specifically from you know, elementary principals
087of just about kind of like what that process looks like. So do we need to define a process for what that looks like? And I know the revocation process. >> Yeah, and I I mean more specifically like not so much taking away and making I mean cuz you can't look at every scenario, but like when those are evaluated, I guess, more so than any >> enough they are. So, at intervals, right? So, if we're just saying hey, your hands are tied till you know, I'm the elementary principal. I have a kid that doesn't show up to school on time. He misses a bunch of school because transportation is a problem when when it wasn't supposed to be. We're going to leave that kid at that campus all calendar year? I I I think that that
088we should be able to that we should give the principals the ability to revoke those not on an annual basis. Well, it was like a three-week period. So, is it until the current six weeks? Six weeks? Yeah, current six-week period. Where's that at? They have to finish the six weeks before transfers are revoked. A student who has a transfer revoked revoked will be ineligible to apply >> Yeah, we looked at that already, but But we're saying you get one transfer anyways. Right. All right. Correct. That's what And we would change that anyways. Yeah. Yeah. We would remove that. will be ineligible for future transfers. >> does it say Hold on. I got to It's the third paragraph on page 10. >> involving student safety concerns, may not take effect until the end of the current
089six-week grading period. >> Yep. They have to finish the six weeks. Get through the grading period and then transfer. Yeah, you have to leave it at Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I agree with that. I just know that there was some concerns brought up about being able to have that as long as they have that opportunity to not be for lack of better words, you know, stuck throughout the whole year. And what were we currently doing? What what what were we currently doing like if we had those situations? Were we like allowing them What's our current policy on keeping those kids on the campus? So, For employees it was for employees children, right? It was all transfers. It was all transfers, yeah. It was all It was all transfers. Mr. Langi, do we do we
090review that at semester and then end of the year or is it just end of the year right now? Well, you're doing it end of year. End of year right now, yeah. So, they stay there through the end of the year. So, would you revoke every 6 weeks or would you 6 week or would you say, "Hey, you're revoking >> at semester?" Okay. So, it would be semesters. Like you'd be evaluated. So, basically um you get on probation for those 6 weeks. Principal had to do an in-person meeting. Okay, yeah. And have the parent sign a contract. Okay. Go over exactly what the problem was and then, you know, did they correct it or did they not and then at semester we would Okay. I think that's good, yeah. All right. I was kind of
091reading that and I don't know if we need to put that in here or not that it would be revoked at semester. There or is it just >> Well, it does say may not take may not take effect until the end of the current 6 week grading year. So, that's not a semester. I think it says it's like we had 6 weeks revoke at semester. Right. So, we probably need to drive like clarify that there is how we want that to work. Yeah, I'm good with our really But, the principals were in favor of that, right? Being able to revoke sooner than a year. Yeah, that's what I gathered, so They very much were. Yeah. I just one thing I want to point out to I mean, I know we're This is a lot to
092digest and we're talking about something new that we've never had. But, it it is the right time to do this, but this is a regulation for policy. We're not changing the policy per se, we're changing the guideline for the policy. You know, or actually adopting one. You know, this this can change as we discover issues and things like that, right? So, I mean >> Agreed. I I think the key thing for me is is basically, we need to get it done now because you have a bunch of first opportunities that are going to occur that we miss out if we don't do anything right now. No, agreed. And the And the school districts that I looked at, they I mean, this is when they did it, when they opened their second high school, is for
093the most part. I mean, who knows? You know, I think Blaine said it when we talked about this that the legislator may make this a non-issue. Cuz it sounds like it's headed that way, so >> Right. you know, the things could change rapidly. That's just kind of what I'm headed toward with this, so. Any other discussion on it? The only thing I think I would want in here, and correct me if I'm wrong, cuz I've read this 400 times and it's all intermingling now, but our regulation will say if you choose a high school of choice and you return to the existing high school, you're ineligible for all extracurriculars for 365 days. I don't see that defined in here. I It says students transferring should be aware that it may affect their eligibility in participating
094in some UIL activities. I personally would like to see it crystal clear that that that is part of the guidance that we're >> Yeah, regardless of UIL ruling, that's our policy. >> Our policy would be that you're ineligible for 365 days. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. It's a deterrent to some of the things that we're discussing about bouncing back and forth. Correct. Absolutely. Not just for athletics. Correct. >> like for that to be No, it's all extra curricular. It's got to be all extra curricular. Cuz they will. I mean, people will Well, there's all kinds of things that >> Exactly. That's what I mean. So Yeah. And then it takes away from like the whole I'm going to, you know, argue with the PAPF or I'm going to go do this or I'm if it's crystal
095clear, then it's crystal clear. Yeah. But if And the other districts do have that in place from what I've seen. If our policy is that we're going to make them sit out regardless, you know, if that's a board policy, we still have to do the paperwork with UIL, correct? I mean, how does that work? I mean, as long as they sit out 365 But do you have to document that? Or I mean, it's documented internally. Yeah. But And so, just to drive clarity, can they participate at the JV level? Like, are we forcing them out completely or are we saying, "Hey, you cannot play varsity." I know UIL is you cannot play varsity. And it's varsity. And I mean, that's what I would lean towards. I they make that choice. >> Well, what if what
096if they're participating in something that there's not a JV and a varsity? I think we need try that clarity. Yeah. I I think you just say that you cannot participate at the varsity level. Yeah, but what are what What are the other extra curriculars that we would be talking about? I mean, band? Band, choir. Right? So, band >> Yeah, it's UIL, so yeah. Cheer's UIL. Cheer. Yeah, but there's Well, cheer has varsity and JV, but band doesn't. So, that's why I see what you're saying. >> Yeah, that's one I mean, I'll go on, you know, like the dance team. I try out for that one place, I don't make it, so then I'm going to go to the other place. Mhm. That's what I want to prevent. >> you're ineligible. That's what I was saying.
097You're ineligible for varsity sports for 365 days. Where he's going is what if they Yeah. >> What if it's not a sport? What if there's not a JV and a varsity level? Yeah. I think you have to drive clarification there. Yeah. On that. I'm going to check and see like what I didn't print it out. I should have printed it out, but I'm almost certain that the other districts that have high school choice, it just says you're ineligible for 365 days. I don't think it defines anything other than extracurriculars. I don't think it defines at what level. Okay, so we need to get clarification on that. >> to check on that. I mean, I can check on that pretty quick. Yeah. So, plan of action for tonight then, obviously, we're going to go back and
098make some modifications to this. Yeah. >> So, it looks like we'll have to table this and then come back and then I think taking all the feedback from tonight, yeah, this we need to get this written up the way with everything in it. And then do a second reading and and then maybe a board approval at the next regular meeting. Right? I mean, that's the only way we can do it without having all the information, so. Okay. So, we will we will get those revisions made and then share it out to board members for review. Okay. Any more items that we want to discuss right now with feedback? I mean, I think we got some clarity on I mean, clarity on some things that your school of choice to a non-zone campus is your is
099your transfer. That was That >> Oh, what was it? We'll go ahead. yeah. That uh cleared up a lot right there, I believe. So. Yeah, we need to put that in my mind. No, it doesn't need to be that. Needs to be in here, for sure. Basically, that high school choice, you're if you choose to go to your non-zoned high school campus, that is your transfer, your one transfer for the high school level. Yeah, we need to drive in that it's one trans you get one transfer and then what a transfer is is a attendance of a non-zoned campus. Correct. Correct. And that includes the high school choice that's embedded into the high school choice part of it, so. Mhm. And then the other side of that is if your high school choice is you
100choose to stay at your zoned campus, you still get one transfer after that. Is that correct? Is that what we're saying? I want to be very clear that we're not calling high school choice a transfer. I know I'm with you. >> No, no, but We got to word that correctly. I'll say that. >> Yes, exactly. I know I know exactly what you're saying. If you if at your high school your high school choice is your zoned campus, do you still get one transfer? And I would say yes, but a high school choice is not a transfer. It It is for regulation. Yes. >> We're not calling it a transfer. If anybody's following me here. >> Yes. Okay. Yeah. 100%. Mr. Mr. Fun time in it. Yeah. The other thing, too, we need to make sure
101that um that high school choice is, you know, once you choose, I don't see anywhere it says the expectation is that the student will remain at the campus, but we need to make sure that, you know, we It says renewal requests down the road it doesn't It just says renewal requests are on an annual basis. We need to define And high school choice is not on an annual basis on there It's It's It's in there. It She just jumps around too much. Yeah. I can't follow this. Where at? I know I read it. It's in the transfers. Yeah. Oh, it says with the exception of high school choice. >> Yeah, second paragraph. Yeah. Got it. You got all this? Thank god this is recorded. Anything else? Now, we'll use a recording to help us. Yeah.
102Okay. Anything else? Okay. I'll look for a motion. I Matt Castellani move to table this agenda item until the next regular board meeting. I have a motion. I have a second. I Jody Jody, you're second the motion. I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Not all those in favor raise your hand. All members voted for and the motion carries. Sorry, the motion is tabled. Next is adjournment. I'll look for a motion. I Matt Castellani move to adjourn the special board meeting at 7:23 p.m. on April 20th, 2026. >> I have a motion. I have a second. I Blaine Nash second the motion. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor raise your hand. All board members voted for and we are adjourned. Thank you.