001Um they were nominated by kids, parents, peers. Um and then uh uh each administrator was was asked to provide uh an endorsement and information on on each of them. And so they they uh had a process that they went through to determine those those winners. And that's that's who came out on top. Um we as the board also want to congratulate AU for a job well done. We appreciate what you do and your hard work. It's not easy. We all acknowledge that. And you all have a lot of tenure and been here a long time. Yeah. And we appreciate it. And Amy's retiring. So, she's going to still I'm not saying that word yet because she's going to still do a little bit, right? She's not going to leave us yet. All the way. But
002thank you all so much. Yeah. For everything you've done. Very, very much. Thank you very much. We want a picture. Sure, let's do one. Camera char. That's right. That's okay. Come on up, you portrait people. I like your color. Yeah, this is a lot better than usual, isn't it? It's almost Aggie blue. Almost. I think it is Aggie blue actually. Definitely vote for that one too. Congratulations. Congratulations. Job people. Wish they'd have paid you more. Yeah. Really? I remember when they paid him $6,000 to get that. All right. Um, Superintendent, are you going to take the next items? Yep. Okay, I'll let you go. All right. So, on the uh academic calendars, um we found uh Silver Summit had they had one professional development day that was different than the Cameas Valley schools. And so,
003um we've been doing professional learning uh as a as a district. Uh and so they shifted that uh that professional development day to coincide with the Camas Valley schools. And so you can see uh the attached calendars, the correction. Uh and so I wanted to just make sure that uh that the board was aware of that. Um and make sure you're okay with that. Uh they're done and and we'll make sure it's there. Congratulations. Congratulations. Sorry, somebody just walked in. Jake just walked in. Continue. You want to get another picture or No, no, everybody's left. He left. Okay. He had sprinkles to change. All right. Um, the Power School, did you have any questions on the calendar? No. No. As long as they coincide. Yep. Okay. Okay. And then the Power School University, we just
004want to make sure um for some reason on the actual form things weren't calculating correctly. Uh I think Don was able to uh get that figured out. And so we just wanted to make sure and uh let you know that even though you've approved the trip, um it did once we once we figured out the correct calculation and took care of that error on the form, it did go up in price, but it went up to what we originally anticipated it to be. Uh so we were surprised the first time when it came in lower. So wanted to make sure you were aware of that. And then any questions on that? No. Okay. And I I you see the band recognition. I I just think it's so cool. Um I was excited to to get
005to read this. There's some some great things going on with Mr. Beal and and our band uh our Wasatch back marching band that some of our students uh participate uh in. It's, you know, it's a multi-dist um multi-dist band, but they're going to be performing in uh some of the parades and um in July and and in September. Uh the Blue Knights and Drum and Bugle Corps, uh one of our students has been given a contract to perform with the group. Um and they travel nationally to compete in all kinds of uh uh championships. So that's exciting. Uh the US ambassadors of music, three of our students were nominated for the group and invited by the governor um to to join some of the other musicians uh from across Utah in a performance tour uh
006across Western Europe. So um that's exciting. There's just I I've I've seen more of this happening uh just in the last couple of years and uh than before. And I just I I I uh want to congratulate publicly um Mr. Beal and the and the the admin for making some great things happen in our music program. Yeah, that's great. That's great. It's nice to see it get going again. Yeah. And then um we're also required every two to three years to um just update and inform the board on uh several points regarding um it falls under our health and wellness instruction. Uh it's a data review and and Shelley is there to present some of the data that um that we're needing to uh to share with you. So, I don't know if she's ready
007to to present, but she'll be the one presenting that data uh as it falls into our curriculum. I was going to tell him you've left already and he had to present the data. I've got it. You should have texted me on the slide. All right. Here's the thing. If I share it, it's more words. Okay, Adam, make your coming. There we go. Okay, this shouldn't take terribly long. This is county health data that comes from the state to the county health departments and they're doing overall study of different trends that they're seeing. So the first one um we get to talk about sexually transmitted infections. Um so they did a study of the last of 2012 to 2021 and this is their report that they've just sent us. So COVID really messed with the trend
008data on STI because there was under reporting and probably increased transmission during that time. I thought that was funny. Anyway, so it went on for a while. Plus, a lot of people who would be on the task of um medical professionals that would be on the task of screening for STI were sent to help screen for COVID. So there's just less of it happening. So the data from those years has to be interpreted super cautiously because they just don't know how accurate it really is. They had their masks on every unfortunate. Well, okay. Yeah. Um as far as chlamydia and gorrhea specifically go for our age group students 15 to 19. Um we're they're seeing higher incidences of both across the country and in Utah. In 2021, um people in the ages of 15 to
00924 were 16% of our state's population, but they were 55% of chlamydia cases and 31% of gorrhea cases. So that's happening more um for chlamydia. During the last 10 years, the chlamydia rate has increased on average by 3% in males in that adolescent age group and 8% in females in that age group. It's a huge increase for females. And the rates of gorrhea have increased. Decreased. Oh, sorry. Decreased. That's the wrong one. Gorrhea, the females are high. So, sorry. It did go down by 8% in females 15 to 19. Um, gorere's gone up 800% since the lowest rates of the past 10 years. Males have twice the rate of females in 2012, but females had the higher rates from 2013. In this last 10 years, theirs has gone up. Okay, this is about um birth
010rates for our adolescence in ages 15 to 19. And you can kind of see on the chart on the left is just by local health district, by your county health department. So the US average is 13 per 10,000. The state average here is 8.2 and Summit County is at 3.7, but we have such a small end size that's supposed to be interpreted with caution because they're not sure of the variance on that. And then on the right is a chart that they sent us that talks about small areas. So they're drilling it down into like neighborhoods of Salt Lake and different things like that. So you can see where the US averages and you can see the state average. And we are over on the right. It's um three a couple down from Daybreak. Summit
011County East is 4.4. So we are lower than the state average. We are higher than Park City and Wasuch I believe. Um so that's kind of where our rate is for pregnancy. It's has that same asterct where we're so small they're not entirely sure. We have to interpret that number with caution. And then the last report that they sent us was rates of things being reported to the Division of Child and Family Services. Um so you can see there's some bullets over there on the left. Um of the 48,000 or so reports, only 22,000 met the criteria to open an investigation and only about 8,800 of those were then confirmed cases of child abuse or neglect. um 18% of cases have some sort of domestic violence related to child abuse that is the contributing factor.
012Um they did talk a lot about um not that 92% of those confirmed cases don't experience repeat maltreatment and that they are able to keep um about 6,700 of those children in the home while the parents and the children are receiving support instead of um sending them out or putting them in foster care. Um there's victims by age in that one pie chart and so 1 to five years is 23% 6 to 11 31% and 12 to 17 it's the highest percent of victims and then you can see the sources of the reports. So 20 about 20% of those are reported by us. Um, the rest are law enforcement and other agencies that happen that report those kinds of things to DCFS. We do annual training on mandatory reporting. I would assume we have to.
013Yeah. Yeah, we do. Um, and it's going to be interesting because there's a new house bill that we were discussing at a meeting I was at this morning about the use of um, restraint in schools and that we may have to be reporting those also to DCFS which is messy and hopefully won't really happen. We'll see what happens. But an example of that restraint is just holding a student. anytime you prevent a student from moving around from hurting themselves or others or or others. Um they're talking about that compared and seclusion timeout also having to maybe report those but more the restraint. Um restraint's more restraint is more likely to go sideways than a seclusionary timeout is. Um it's more likely that someone gets hurt but sometimes to protect kids you have to do that.
014So, we'll see what happens with that. But that's the data. Does anybody have any questions? No, I'm not seeing any questions. Everybody looks riveted. Very exciting. I know. Okay, that's it then. All right, moving on to uh businesses. Administrator Adams. So, um as you can see on this this first item, um I am recommending that we budget for this next year about $10,000 for student accident insurance coverage. Um, and some of the reasons are is we're getting quite a few of our a student athletes that don't have insurance and so that they have to go figure it out somewhere else. And then Stephanie's got a lot of kids this next year going down to Mtech during the school day to do uh concurrent enrollment. And uh I think this will really help mitigate some of
015our risk. and I've I've asked uh Eric Schwarz to come and help answer any questions you may have and maybe provide some some feedback. So, I mean, do you want me to get in and talk about the program real quick? And yeah, you bet. So, uh just real quick, I work for Myer Stevens and Twi specialized in student accident insurance for over 50 years. Not personally, but my company has. I've been doing it for about 25. Um, I work in the states of New Mexico, Utah, Montana, Colorado, and that is absolutely by design that I get those states. So, it's uh it's a nice place to be able to work. Um, a few years back, I just want to give a quick history. The reason why we're at this point now where we're looking at
016doing blanket coverage for for all the students. It used to be if students needed coverage, they were able to use those forms that used to come home with the parents from school and they would voluntarily purchase these plans. about five years ago in the state of New Mexico, the office of superintendent of insurance there um made those plans. I I guess she said they they basically killed all the policies for those because um typically they don't like mini med plans, plans that don't meet ACA requirements, don't require any coverage for say pregnancies and things like that, which would not make it cost effective for us to do these plans for these students. They were they were strictly supposed to be accident plans. The reason that's important that New Mexico did it is because we developed
017a plan to cover stu schools on a blanket basis and started marketing these plans there about five years ago. We've been selling them there and right now there's 82 school districts in New Mexico. We we currently insure 65 of them. That's how big the program has been over there. And that's good news for Utah because two years ago the office of the uh superintendent of insurance here did the exact same thing. So basically, we can't offer those voluntary plans to students anymore and a blanket is the only way for us to go. Now, the benefit to having this program so widespread in New Mexico right now is I'm able to negotiate rates and I've even negotiated them down from last year what I offered you. We've been able to go down to a $5 rate
018per student for the base side and a $165 or even less than a$129 on the catch side. And what that means is right now currently what's offered to students through UHSAA is coverage for UHSA activities, but those plans typically come with super high deductibles. And in the past, we would fill those with those voluntary plans for students. We can't do that anymore. In New Mexico, their their deductible on their plan is only 25,000. So, it's a little bit different, but we've designed the plan for Utah to cover the first 75K for athletes to meet that dovetail with that UHSA catastrophic. Added a base side for all other student activities that aren't US uhAA, including your MTech program, things like that. Um, but we also add a catastrophic component that mimics what UHSA offers athletes and
019offers that expanded coverage all the way around. Catastrophic offers more than just accident medical benefits. What they give the district is blanket accidental death for all students. They offer benefits, cash benefits. If you truly have a catastrophic accident where say a student is paralyzed or goes into coma, we offer the families up to 500,000 in cash in addition to accident medical benefits. We have vehicle and home modifications for those injuries as well. Now, what the program covers all students, all activities that are school sponsored, school supervised. And and this is important because what I do know is that whereas the focus for these plans have typically been on sports, I can tell you with 24 years of experience that not every accident happens on the field. Uh lunchtime and field trips. Anywhere kids are not
020supervised, that's where accidents happen. Um, we do see more severe ones on the sports field, but I can tell you that, um, kids, you know, um, just walking in between classes, rough housing, doing things like that can lead to concussions, all sorts of, uh, injuries that you wouldn't even think of. Um, but it also covers travel, which is important for the MTech program. We cover travel at any point in school vehicles. So, this would include your busing. This would include anybody going on a bus to a sporting event. But more importantly, we don't require that it be a school vehicle. We actually will cover travel in private vehicles as long as that travels at the direction of the school. So if you're directing MTech students to carpool in a car or you're having a parent
021take them, we will cover them in that travel to and from as long as it's without interruption. So and we understand people get stuff to eat. It's not that's not what we mean without interruption. It's there's no side trips involved with anything like that. Um but we also cover the kids while they're at the Mtech program. So while they're in that school sponsored program, they would have the coverage there as well. We always cover kids on campus. We cover kids while they're in classrooms. And what UHSA doesn't cover that is important too is PE falls under the other base program and not UHSAA. So PE, any kind of offseason conditioning you might see. So right now, like my son is doing um open gyms for volleyball on Monday and Wednesday night, those would be covered
022under the program. They're not UHSA sanctioned per se, but they are the team being coached. There's a coach there who's watching the kids. That's absolutely covered. We also will cover the kids an hour before and an hour after school while they're in crosswalks while they're walking through the parking lot. We all know the war zone, the high school parking lot can be. Every time I used to drive there to pick up my boys, that was uh I as an insurance guy that used to make me very nervous. But um so field trips are covered as well. So if they're overnight or otherwise, so if you're sending kids, you know, whether it be a humanitarian thing or whether it be a model conference for students or whether it be anything that the school is going to
023direct them to do, we'll cover that trip and the travel in associated with that as well. Um so school to work our job vocational training. So it doesn't have to be Mtech. If you have students that are participating in say a mentorship program with um say a welder even, those aren't excluded. U and the travel to that also is included in that as well. Uh special ed would be included that as well. So if you have kids are doing special ed programs and they're working out. Now typically they're working for a wage, they'd be covered under work comp, but if you have like a volunteer or a mentoring situation, they would be covered under this program as well. Um what is covered or who is covered is all enrolled students of the district. And this
024would include any homeschool students who are part participating in sports for South Summit um or any students that are participating in programs sponsored by South Summit. So do you guys for an example if they have uh we're running a little league wrestling program, those kids from the elementary that are coming up to wrestle at the school, they'd be covered under this. Well, it depends if we consider that a commercial camp. So, if the coach is running it as a as a coach to um you know bring these kids into say a high school program, they were like eighth graders coming up, typically we would cover something like that. But if it's a commercial camp where the kids are paying $100 to come up and wrestle and you're just using the school facilities, that probably wouldn't
025be covered at that. So, I guess the best way of looking at what we consider school sponsored, the easiest way that I've been able to say it is if the coach that was doing it were injured during that event, would he be covered in a work comp with the district? Then that would be considered school sponsored. If it falls out of the scope of that contract, then it's technically probably a commercial camp at that point. So, it all goes back to who sponsoring it. So, if we're sponsoring it, they would be covered. Yeah. And I think you know there's you know couple we have we do have we have ways to cover kids going to commercial camps but let's just say the football program is taking like 10 of the kids have signed up for
026a camp at at the U for football probably not covered because it's commercial camp those camps typically provide their own insurance and the kids have to sign up and have their own insurance when they go there. That's that's the one area. But again, you can always call and ask me and we can find a way to either I get I just get approval from the carrier that it is covered or we find a way to cover them. Any any other questions, concerns? Are we going to really cover students driving over in their own vehicles to Mtech? It would cover it. It would cover it, but we're we're actually trying to in and in in in the budget, you'll see a budget line. Uh Stephanie's uh asking for one FDE for a driver. Okay. To to
027take the kids because we're getting that many um actually more than our van now. So that's the thing. And another important thing about that as well is if a student doesn't have insurance, then our program would be primary for that student, meaning we'd be dollar one coverage for them. If they do have insurance, and what gets lost some of the time is that we actually do cover any co-pays and deductibles that a student might have if they already have coverage. That's a big deal because I I just know I think about it. I have pretty good insurance working for an insurance company, but if my son were injured playing hockey, I'd have break an ankle or something, I'd be out four or five grand. So, okay. So, I I think I think based on, you
028know, I I've hesitated to do this since we lost the insurance about what, three or four years ago. Five. Yeah. It was last two school years. We lost it three years ago. Last two school years we haven't been able to offer the Yeah. And so that was something that we could offer. now we can't offer that. And so, um, based on some of the things that we're doing now, uh, I think we're going to have more and more kids going to MTech, I think it's it's it's worth, you know, and they may go on in their cars. I mean, not that we'll that's that's the ideal, but they may end up doing that. And so, I think this is something that will help cover us. It's $10,000. It's really not uh, you know, not really
029expensive. It's actually pretty pretty reasonable. And so with that, I think it's time to to really look at this. And one of the concerns that comes up too is, well, yeah, it's $10,000 now. What's it going to be if we have a claim? Well, the beauty of us having this program, as rich as it is in New Mexico right now, it's the same. It's the same risk block, meaning that if you were to suffer what we call a shock loss, your rates will not go up because it's computed with everybody. So, it's, you know, it's like a big GPA. So, do the kids have to individually sign up for it or they just just blanket if you're in the district or That's correct. We just probably have to provide how many students and that's how
030they bill us. That's it. We um so again we in the past we had usually taken like the number of football players, number of athletes, made composite rates, did all that. And I just I basically because what we've done in New Mexico, I've been able to work with the carriers and say I just want a $5 rate. Can we just do that? And they said yes. any direction, any concerns? I always have a problem with account when kids aren't accountable. They don't have anything in the game. So, I I'd like to see something where they have to put something in the game, even if they have to sign a piece of paper, pay five bucks for the whole thing. You know, waiverss are good. Um, there's there's two schools of thought on that, and I'll
031just let you know, New Mexico, the reason they've cited so much participation in this program is liability reduction. um collateral source laws. You want to check with your attorneys on this one for this state and in specific, but what I've read is typically if you purchase insurance and your insurance policy pays for student injuries, those dollars are not admissible in court do per the collateral source rule. Only monies that say if they were to sue the district um or go after it, only the only thing that would be admissible were things that their own private insurance paid for or they paid for personally out of their pocket. So if they have to put five bucks in to pay for it, you maybe lose that collateral source protection on the back end. So just just throwing
032that out there. I can I can take a look and see what that looks like. How many districts are doing this? I can just start. So right now it's just Emry and you if you guys came in. So I've been talking with Tuella. I've been talking with a few districts. It's like I said it's it's it's hard, you know, when when schools are looking at tight budgets and and so it's it's a process, right? We've been talking for a couple years about this and same thing in like Truella and and Box Elder and all those different places where we're just kind of we're we're throwing it at them and they get a number. Thought Rich was doing it too. Rich was going to um they pull out. H they're probably going to do it this
033year. They didn't want to do it last year. They want to see more people in it. So I mean we'll you know we'll see. But um again how it started out in New Mexico for me five years ago is we got one, we had three and now we have 62 in five years. So I mean it's that's kind of how it works is the word gets around and that kind of how it is. So it's not it's not been the usual thing for I have two diametrically opposed states. I have New Mexico which has the highest number of privately insur the lowest number of privately insured people in the country and Utah which has one of the highest number of privately insured people in the country. So it hasn't really been our culture to provide
034student insurance because we don't think of the risk because most parents have insurance for the kids and it's not really in our nature to sue school districts. But I just got to tell you from my own personal experience living in cash, the school districts have have blown up in size and there's a lot of people coming in from outside that are bringing different ways of thinking in. So, you know, I like to get ahead of this as opposed to, you know, having this the district suffer something serious as far as a lawsuit or something. I know there are certain protections and another thing too which is different than having the liability insurance pay for a claim is the way we control costs is we do all the claims in our office. So you sign a
035form, the claim form and hand to the parents and we work with them. But when we get a bill, we process it just like a medical claim. So there's repricing of the claim. So the doctor in that area might be in a network that we work with and we might be able to take a $100 claim and make it $40. And then the and then our out of pockets is less, the parents out of pocket could be less potentially. And um for the most part, we pay everything at 100%. So the idea being is we reduce claims we're we're trying to pay everything at 100%. So the parents the out- of- pocket is saving money on our back end. Now with the liability coverage attorney shows up and says oh $100 claim he goes we'll
036take 500 and then the liability company if they determine fault we'll write a check for 500 bucks and give it to him not really controlling cost when we could have done for $40 repricing it through a claim. Um, that's the big difference between using a liability policy and using this policy and rate stabilization, too, because I don't know how your rate your liability policy has been over the last 10 years, but I guarantee you there probably rate increase every year. Yeah. So, that's a that's one huge difference between paying it through a liability policy as opposed to paying it through an accident medical policy. So, what do you what's it going to cost us to do it? 10,000,000. Yeah. those two breakups, the base plus the plus the you see the one portion for the
037catastrophic and the one portion for the base. So, so it's less than 10 and and that's I mean for what we get and for the for the risk avoidance that I think it helps and for helping families I think it's a it's it's a worthy expense. And also too, you don't have to turn kids away for participation in school events because they're going to have coverage and you don't have to worry about had a few of those this last year. So one kid's injuries are going to cost more than that. Oh yeah. Yeah. But the hope is we only have one injury per, you know, of the 65 districts. We only have, you know, one or two injuries. That's typically how it works. We've been we've been very fortunate on the on the experience over
038the last five years. Um but having large school districts, we ensure in New Mexico over 300,000 students right now. So it's a pretty big risk pool. So a few years ago, we had a young man got paralyzed playing football. That just took care of all his medical bills. So US uhAA most likely took care of everything after 75 75K at that point and the same thing would happen. We would pay the first 75K, but we would also provide those benefits to the family with regards to home and vehicle modification, the catastrophic cash that goes along with it. Um our company worked with UHSAA 10 years ago providing the CAP policy and we had and you know unfortunately because it was the first year second year we took over we had four or five really really
039massive claims that we were unable to control the rates and that's why you know the the company that took over had the same experience on something like that. Um so again because that is controlled by UHSAA then you know ours would only be really affected by um if you had an injury that was outside of UHSA activities for something that major. So any any direction any questions you okay with heading down this road? It's not all that much. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I think it's a good idea. Okay. We spend a lot more money on other stuff that's probably not as significant, right? This really will take care of our students if we have a heaven forbid a Yep. We also I also provide you with um a summary sheet that could be
040posted online uh with claim forms that we that you could post online. The the claim forms we have have all the information the parents need to complete the claim with my office, but you know, like I said, you would do it and then we it would just come to us, we take care of it. So, you kind of be able to step back from it and we kind of take care of all that. So, okay. All right. Thanks. Appreciate you. I appreciate your time, board. Thank you. All right. Thank All right, Wes. It sounds like uh you're next. I I have one more one more thing if that's okay. Oh, yeah. The budget. The budget. I just wanted to I I send you I sent you a kind of a draft budget. Um but the
041thing it didn't have was the final budget for FY25. I have some better numbers now uh as we're getting close to the end of the fiscal year. I wanted to just kind of provide you some updates and mostly overall big overall numbers. Um so I kind of did like we did last year. Um the big percentages and how much you know increase in each one of the areas. So for like instruction it went up 5% that's including the 4% cola plus the steps and lanes plus the increase in benefits. So that seems about right. um uh our services student service support went down um a little bit and I and I and there's no I think we had a a reduction in um in in um counselors. Uh we went from a threequarter time to
042a half time but then we increased some some nurses but with all that it it reduced it a little bit. Um now are you you're talking for the one you're doing for next year? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So the the percentages are the difference between final budget and this next year's budget. Okay. And and also there's there is some fluff in the in the final budget just in case something comes in uh a little higher than expected between now and the end of the year. So there is a little bit of uh you know differences in there. So So about a 1.7% in in staff assistance um about 5.8% 8% in general admin, district admin, and that's about about where raises and um insurance costs go. School admins about 4.4% and that's similar as well. And
043then the big one 7% increase 7 and a.5% increase to um our central services was basically some of the additional software that we've that we've uh purchased this last year with P school and all the dashboards and all the things that we're doing there. That's increasing some of those. Um and then a minus 18% in um operations and maintenance. And basically what I what I've done is I put in an extra $500,000 in repairs and maintenance because Wes has got all these projects that were supposed to be paid for next year that are already started that we're going to have to pay a bunch of money this year's money. And so we had a little bit of money that I could do that and that's why you're going to see an 18% really didn't it's
044really not an 18%. It's really probably fairly flat. And then um student transportation went up a little bit and and the reason that went up is because um we are proposing one increase in FTE for Stephanie to transport students in either a van or a bus. We don't know yet which one uh to MTech and that would be a fulltime full-time there there's three or four rotations. She's she's four times a day. So but they go back and forth. Would we have to get a different van or we Well, that's the that's the 100 mph question. Um question on that. If if you're going to take an FTE for that, where are you taking the FTE from? From CTE funding from your Okay. Yeah. She's got about $1.2 million carryover right now. So, we're we're
045in good shape. So, that's where that increase came. Uh if you guys approve that and then um everything else is fairly flat. So on that one, are we staying with just Joe half bus manager still for for now? Yes. But what are we going to put in the budget? Are we going to put a full-time just in case or uh I added a full-time position there just in case? Okay. That's what I That's another one of the Y Yep. Um I wanted to go through fund 32 just so you can kind of see some of the projects that we've got going. We've got the Apple lease for just under 350,000. You got your boiler upgrades, your carpeting, your auditorium lighting, your food service freezer, and maybe a sped remodel um depending on what we've got
046to do with our sped. We got to move a sped kid from the middle school to the high school. So, there may be some funding that we need to do there. And the Apple lease will eventually save us money. Right. Right. Uh and then the new bus, uh which is coming this next year. We got the softball and baseball parking lot. If you've ever driven by there, they're going hot and heavy and it was supposed to be next year's project, but majority of it's probably going to be done this year. So, including the parking lot connection in the lower one. Yeah, you need to drive up there and see it. It's been up there, but not recently. It's pretty It's going to be It's going to be awesome, I think. Um, and then we got
047the AR architect fees that are that that and the feasibility study with all the projects. It's going to cost us quite a bit there. And then um some sil coat and some ashvault stuff. And so some phase three rec center. That's your big rec center project. Architect fees. Does that include what we discussed with Right. Okay. Y for our bonding. Mhm. Okay. Yep. So all that's in there and that's really brings us We're going to spend a little bit more than we bring in. I'm estimating about 400 maybe $500,000 more um this next year. Um well that's for the final budget so we're going to spend about 500 and we won't know exact numbers until well estimate till June 30th. Well I'm talking uh June so this is yeah June 30th. Okay. So this is
048all estimate because I don't know exactly how much they're going to charge me from the time they started which was June 1st until June 30th. All the work they do I have to pay in this fiscal year. So it's kind of a little bit of a He just needs the final coming in. Yeah. For next year. Yeah. So, so you you'll see an actual budget at when once the auditors come and we we finish out the this date. Have they already all told you how much you're getting? That's in August, right? That's in August. Yeah. We don't know till August what the actual estimated Yeah. property tax. Okay. Yep. And so, and then you got the original budget. So, I I have kind of got some estimates as to what I think that's going to
049come in. How close on the revenue side uh from what we forecasted last year to what it is this year uh to what it so close we're close um over 200,000 difference at least we're we're a little short on the on I I overestimated on the revenue on the on the property tax side. You can see some of that over here. Um here was my original budget. Here's where I think we're going to come in. Okay. So you can see there's some differences and so I was a little bit more conservative this year on on our budget just to try to make up for the I was just over close. We're close, but I think we're still going to have, you know, over a million dollars in carryover, which is really what we're going to
050have every year because Stephanie uh is still over a million dollars in in um so we're about 1.9 million. Um and that CTE money you can allocate it like it can go towards the MTech. Yes. Yeah. Yep. She can pay for that. That's what that is. CT classes. Yep. And we're not even dipping into any of our savings. Not for fund 10. For fund fund 32, we might a little bit this year, but remember last year I carried 1.6 million over. So this year I'm going to I'm estimating that in fund 32. Let me look at that. I'll show you fund 32. So I'm estimating that we'll spend about 500,000. But but remember I'm doing a lot of projects that we had scheduled for next year in this June period which is where I think
051that $500,000 coming into this. Okay. Is that clear as mud? Y one thing I do want to mention too is in fund 49 um and I've talked to Tammy about this but uh we're spending uh over $200,000 about $270,000 um over she had $461,000 carryover. So that puts her at 190 and if we continue on the same spending side it's going to put us over. So she's going to raise u meal prices this next year to try to compensate for that. So um but we are spending a sign foods foods you know as you go to the grocery store food's much much more expensive plus all the supplies and and and so okay so and remember this is one of those programs that I get in trouble if I don't spend enough and so I've
052been in trouble for the last five years but I think we're going to fix that this next year. So because we can only have three years, three months of operating uh cash. Oh, okay. So you you they only allow you, right? Because this is federal money. So So again, this is this is coming down the way we need it to. But as I look to the future, it's something we got to really keep our eye on because it's it's if we don't cut costs or increase our revenue, then we're going to be in trouble. So and we're not providing summer lunches, right? I you know I don't do you. Yeah, there's a thing put on the website that we don't I don't know if we provide them or if it's a county health. Oh, the
053county health. Okay, let me see. I don't know that she's working. She's No, she's So, but I think all in all, we're in pretty good shape. Are there any specific questions on the budget? That's just a down and dirty and some of these numbers are going to change as I get more numbers coming in for the rest of the month, but I think we're pretty close. We have too many questions. We'll bring Doge in. You know, you can laugh, but it's coming for the budget meetings. Yeah. I'll send it out. The governor's already put his little thing on cutting stuff, so you can laugh about Doge. It's coming. Yeah. For us. It's USB that's providing meals. Let us know where it's going and we should know. Yes, you should. So, if you guys have any
054questions of where this money is going, I'm more than happy to provide anything you want. Okay. So, all right. Please let me know. We'll look we'll look for the update. Any questions on this one? All right. Now, we'll turn it over to Wes. Not sure. let's turn it over to me completely or just for me to be back up. But anyway, um so I think uh from about early May till uh 1st of July, I'm Adam's worst nightmare because we've got 10 weeks every summer to take care of all our major projects and building reservations when the kids are out. Um and that splits right down the middle of our budget year. So, every year it's a balancing act to uh try to guesstimate how far projects are going to get um by June 30th
055for what's going to build this year versus next year. We're running into a lot of that this year. Um you know, for for instance, the high school auditorium, we've got to strip all the seats out, strip all the carpet out, fix the floor, recarpet, and get seating back in. What pieces of that are going to land in June and July? just as an example, two different contractors working together, that kind of thing. Um, we've got a lot of projects that um got a strong start and got ahead of schedule, which is very uncommon. Um, especially our parking lot project. It's it's well underway. So, um, that's kind of always causing him to have to worry and juggle a little bit. So, the high school, they're ripping all the seating out of the auditorium. Yes, it's
056still original carpet from 30 something years ago. attachments for the seating. Yeah, the seating's been broke. It's driven me nuts since I've been here. All those broken seats getting all new seats. They're not It just doesn't make sense to repair broken seating and put on top after they're already out pulling out of the cement. Yeah, that's what I saw been concerned. But anyway, it's it's it's been needing needed. Um I don't know if you've noticed, we've had mismatched part carpet for years where the front Alfa hasn't matched the back. So anyway, it's sit in the back. Anyway, uh it's it's it's it's been needed and it's going to be be nice to get um new carpet and and new seating in there. That's just one example of the projects going on that are splitting through
057budget years. So, um I think the biggest thing Adam wanted to cover was some of the things we've run into. Uh for instance, we uh we've kind of tried to chunk off uh the rec center project for all the renovation work that needs to be done there. trying to break it down into three or four phases that are more manageable. Um the first phase this year was to uh attack the air handler that had failed. Um that project, you know, started two and a half months behind trying to even get the unit. It's in now, but once it's it's it's not finished, but it's in and pumping air. But as we removed that air handler, the roof decking underneath that air handler was exposed. and we found that we couldn't put off till next year
058the re-roof which we' budgeted for next year um turned out to be not such a bad thing. Um they had estimated and budgeted 50,000 but because we already had things out of the way they were able to do it for 38. So it's it's not all bad but it wasn't budgeted. So I there's some some concerns with all of that. Um I think you briefed him on that last board meeting, right? Okay. It is budgeted now in the final budget. Um that being said, as we move forward, um we only got one interested contractor on the next phase, which is very concerning. Happens to be that they're a state job contractor, job order contractor, which means they go through a contract with Gording Company. They have to pre-qualify all the pricing to make sure that
059it meets state contract. It's not always the best bang for our buck, but we don't have three interested contractors. What's that? It's the only bang for your buck. That's our only choice right now. They're We had a a pre-bid meeting with them again Monday. Uh Cal Wadsworth Construction is working on pricing. Until we can get that pricing back, I have no idea to be honest with you where phase two is going to come. What is the phase two? Still the roof. Phase two is not the roof. Now the phase two will be a lot of electrical component replacement in the pool electrical room stripping out. They installed um metal conduit in that room and it's all corroding. It should have been um PVC C conduit. Most of the electrical panels are rusting out, shorting out
060the pools, the pool uh pump switch uh switches all shorted out. The other day that the for the slide, we don't have the slide working again. They're scrambling to try to find a way to make sure we get the right panel that would have been installed next year now because it's failed. I mean, it's just one thing after another with the pool half of that building right now. So, uh, that being said, um, we also need to be a little more conscientious than I have been in the past as we budget and as I bring these projects to you to make I've been trying to bring actual bid prices to you. Um I've not been um planning forward for contingency and the unknowns and I think we need to start putting I mean especially the
061center we we don't know until we don't until we we're in there um with all of this rec center stuff um like when we met with contractors the other day uh they were saying that the process for instance to sealing our walls is a three-month process. We got to try to find a way to shorten that because we cannot have our pool shut down for 3 months. You know what I'm saying? There's just so many unknowns until we can work through this. So, why are we having so many problems with the rec center? Did we just poor cheapest drought? Yeah, the the walls aren't insulated. Basically, if you think of the rec center, the pool area of the rec center as a glass of ice water on your desk and how it just sweats and
062pours water down onto your desk. All winter long as it does that, it freezes and blows the block off the outside of the building. That's that's just one piece of it. the corrosion from the chemicals eating the metal. Um, the walls of that nuditorium were not insulated when it was built. It's just block walls. Um, well, all pools are an issue. It's not just bad design. Everybody's pools are an issue. Wsworth just went through a similar project with the University of Utah auditorium where they had to actually take the entire roof off the building and replace it because the roof deck was re rusty which is similar to what we saw three weeks ago on our just on our mechanical room. We didn't go to that extent. We we treated it and recotated it but
063we got to try a way to seal it. Find a way to seal it so it doesn't do it again or it doesn't get worse before the building lifespan is uh poor material. I mean, that's the the air handler. We went with a stainless steel. This one's aluminum. Aluminum. So, it's Previously, it was just galvanized and painted and it just that corro corrosive air just ate it, you know, just destroyed it. And it's what 23 years old? 22 years old. Yeah. It was a one of our newest buildings built in 2002. So, but any that's just an I mean anyway, we just need to I need to plan forward and make sure that we've got some contingency built in to the budget for what we see when we're there and don't have time to um
064wait a month to come back to you, that kind of thing. So, if that makes sense. Walking the track the other day after all these discussions, I looked and I saw spots of rust in the roof. Well, that's that's very very minor compared to the holes in the roof we saw when Yeah, you could have uh dropped golf balls through when they pulled that roof deck off. So, it was pretty bad. Um trying to think here. What else did you have up there, Adam? I'm kind of getting I got walk-in freezer. Okay. So, the walk-in freezer was something that we had previously presented to you all for the next year's budget for um the the old original main freezer in the high school. Clear back when we did the facility condition assessments. That was one
065of their highest priorities that they had labeled for us to to get replaced. We had originally bud budgeted 53,000 I think for that or 55,000 sorry. And uh when we actually went out to bid we got four bids. Lowest bid was 63. All the others were over $100,000. We have to take the walls and everything down on there. No, just replace the just just the inner insulated walls are coming out of there. Yeah. But it's been it's a bit more of a project because it's not just that cooler shell. It's got it's inside of a tiled wall. Wait, have you seen the assessment? We had an assessment done on all the buildings. Can Can you share that with him? Yeah, we'll try to share that out to you. Anyway, we we had a state did
066a full assessment. What is it going to take to keep the building engineers come in? I've seen them in the past. Yeah. Bureau Veraritoss who is a uh who has the contract with the state of Utah for all of all of the state's buildings. They do these these assessments and they came through and did all of our buildings and kind of helped us prioritize what we needed and what costs were going to be into the future to continue to make these are this current year's budget that Well, that's that's the concern. So, so this is actually for next year starting July 1, but there's no way we can get it done if we wait till July 1. They has we have to have the coolers for school. So, part of it on this one, a
067part of it on next and it was the same last year and the year before. It's just how much how much of each of these summer projects are going to be in May and June and how much are going to be in July and August. Um, we just try to to do our best to So, what we look for is you telling us giving us approval for a cost and then I figure out how to put it in which fiscal year. Okay. You know, as a as a for instance, our you know, our parking lot project. Um, I contacted them about a month ago to ask them how far along they thought they would be before July 1, and they said 80%. We were thinking maybe 40 to 50%. How do you pay that? Do
068you pay it all when it's all done or or what? I have to pay based on how much work they did in the month. Okay. So, so whatever they did in June, I have to pay that amount in this fiscal year and then everything after that, I do it in the next fiscal year. So, I have to split it. Yeah. Pain, but but no, as far as the contractors go, you just pay them at the end of job, right? Yeah. Well, we pay them a long time. No, they're they they have pay applications every month. Yeah. It's monthly. But anyway, that one that one turned out to be a big one that I mean the amount of progress they made in the three hours after the school buses left on the last day of school
069was pretty amazing. They were they were waiting. So anyway, hate to hold them back, but we need to make sure all our big projects are done for school to start. Boilers at the high school is another one. Um they've got a good strong start. All the old boilers are out now. They're they're busy working on it. our, you know, shop or our um main gym floors sanded down to bare wood right now. There's there's a lot lot moving to make sure it's ready for school to start in in August. I've given all the contractors a deadline of August 10th to make sure they're pretty well wound down so we're not affecting kids and teachers. So, um let's see. Oh, the other one that we didn't initially put on. So, it's been what's it been nine
070months maybe eight months? nine months ago that you asked us for our priorities going into the next year. And that's another thing that's hard because sometimes other priorities come up and that we find a trump. One of those is our our middle school lighting in the in the auditorium. Um we had put some money aside and asked for some money from you all for to replace an air handler. Um, we found that we can probably do some rebuild work on that air handler to extend the life on it. But at the same time, the middle school auditorium lighting is is failing and the the lights and stuff actually have to be bought basically, you know, off the internet anywhere we can find them because they're obsolete. So, that's something that we've been looking at working
071with Lacy and Jeff on to try to determine if there's a way we can phase that. Our current uh low bid right now is at $270,000. We could maybe phase that into a couple of years, but um we just want to throw that out as something that we might look at expediting. Um we're currently like for plays and stuff. Middle school students are having to go to the high school for their grad performances. Is Rocky Mountain Power giving out any Well, he's Yeah, I I'm working with both Rocky Mountain Power and um Thermmo Wise on on the rebates. Um until we actually have a solid plan, solid budget and serial numbers, they won't really tell us what that is, right? But I have I' I'm in contact with both of those as we go through
072these projects. So that will also be a big thing on the next phase at the rec center um for the this will be the third time replacing lighting in the rec center pool area. But um we're working with the Rocky Mount Power on any rebates we can get on upgrading that LED lighting as well. Okay. Did I hit everything, Adam? I think so. Any questions for Wes? Oh uh one other thing. Sorry, I forgot to mention uh change orders on the parking lot. We have run into a a few change orders. Uh city code required um privacy fencing that wasn't originally in the design. Um we ran into a situation where they had designed 3-ft sidewalks instead of five, which I had told the the architects we always wanted to stay at least 5T. Um
073some additional conduit and things for future phases. Um, and then we also found a a deduction for some irrigation ditch piping we didn't need. So, we're currently at 24,500 in additional change orders on that um almost million-dollar project. So, okay. I appreciate that. All right. I don't think we have anything else. Thanks, Wes. Thanks, Wes. Thank you. All right. Procedural updates. There's just I think just No, there's two. retire two and then two for second review. Any questions on the procedural review or updates? I agree with somebody's comment on the 701- A that stuff. I mean, that was in my student handbook at the high school that parking regulations. I don't know why we need to have it in the I confirmed it with um Kenna and Lacy, too. Yeah, that and that was the
074reason is why we have what when it's decided at the school level. Yeah. And it needs to be unique to each school. We approve their handbooks, right? Yep. Well, yes. I don't know if we do. We Yeah, he said yes. We put it in their handbooks. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't remember us ever approving the handbooks. I don't The the board doesn't necessarily approve the handbooks. Each school has their the the information specific to transportation for their building in their handbooks, but the board doesn't approve their their handbooks. Okay. All right. Um, so is there a policy that that procedure goes with that needs to be retired? You mean? Yeah. No, I think there is a policy, but I don't think it want me to look it 60/50. It' be 77,000 7,0001. If I remember
075right, it was just the state code stuff. Yeah, the the policy as I recall that's just the two from this is the one. Yeah. In fact, I think this was just review 2024. It's just the generic state requirements, right? I don't think we need it in our policy procedure. Okay. But the schools deal with it. Yep. Yep. All right. So, I'm taking over for a little bit. Uh, superintendent. Um, so no questions on that one. Any questions on the other for sec second, excuse me, second review? And that was uh public use of buildings and grounds and then the internal controls. One question I had on that is talked about ne next season developmental programs. Which one is that one? That would be 3007B. It was number it was talking about category one I believe.
076Okay. And it was talking about the the things that this category one um it would be D category one D. It says next season Utah high school activities associated athletic teams. Does that include all your developmental programs? No. Like if you want No, because those aren't actually sanctioned. They're not school sanctioned. Okay. So they would be under category category three or five. All I'm saying is they they I think they need to have a priority of use using the buildings because you're developing your programs. If you if you guys want to fire coaches every time they have a losing season, maybe we ought to be fired for not providing them a place to prepare a team to get ready to compete because you got to start preparing them when they're in kindergarten. Sorry. So, you're
077talking uh the priority list. Well, no, I'm t I'm just trying to get in my mind. You're talking about the coaches developing their teams. Not not like it's like he's talking like little league like little league like little league program like a club basketball team should take should have a priority. Is that a nonprofit? No, depends. Some of them are, some of them aren't. And that's where we get into When I run my programs, I didn't make a dime. I just did it to have the kids have the opportunity. But a lot of them like like volleyball, they do the the volleyball association. What is it? I don't know. Those are all they do a a AAOU things like that. And those are so they're a comp team that uses our facilities. So So again,
078there's lower priorities that we've got to if you don't do them, your team in high school. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do them and we fire coaches if their team sucks. I would. Yeah, we fire coaches even if their teams are good. Just Yeah, we do. One kid didn't play as much as we've fired coaches after they've won the state championships. We have I wasn't there. So I don't Yeah. Um and I hear it. How how often is there conflict? Not very often. Each school manages their own rental. So if a if a principal wants to do that, they can do it. I agree. That's that's what I do as their own. That's how we wrote it. That's how it's been implemented this year. So, it's really a principal's discretion. Okay. Yeah. The hard
079part on feeder teams, I know that's what we call them a lot of times, is for anything for any athletic team, whether it's wrestling or volleyball or anything else, is that um once they become if they're going to become a district sanctioned uh thing, then we have to make sure we're providing transportation fee waiverss and everything else. and they could only compete with other schools that have similar programs, not comp not other comp teams. Okay. So, that that's why we've left it to principles to their discretion. I think that's important. All right. Okay. That's my only question on that. No, it's a good question. Yeah, great question. Question. Um, we had nobody for public input. Nobody. All right. Does anybody need a recess? Hearing no comment, we'll move on to the consent agenda. Any questions
080or concerns on this? I know we talked about this. I just can't remember. Why did we go on the fees? Um trying to remember the change we made where um made a change to the fees so that the We had we had to change things to meet the new policy that the state passed. Is that what it was? I think that Yeah, I think that was it. But also, as far as the fees were concerned, I think Stephanie had a couple of changes because we didn't have a fee for those kids that wanted to do extended projects, right? So, I think that was the other the welding class. Yeah. Welding class and some of that. So, so the way the way we changed it is if they want they so they can't do other projects.
081No, they can. Oh, they can. They just have to pay. Okay. And because it's it's an optional Okay. They don't have to do that, but if they do choose to do that, they got to pay the fee to help supplies for pay for supplies. Right, Steph? That's right. Okay. Okay. I think that's maybe where you I was just trying to remember. Yeah. How we did it. Okay. Thanks. All right. Any other questions on the consent agenda? All right, I'll entertain a motion. I'll move to approve the consent agenda to include the May 12th meeting minutes, the May 2025 checks, May 2025 expenses, and May 2025 revenue reports. the new hires to include the SSFC hires and the substitute teachers, the volunteers, the travel requests, and the homeschool affidavits. We have a motion. Looking for a
082second? I'll second. We have a motion, a second. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? None opposed. All right. Thank you. All right. policy 55, extra duties for first reading. Superintendent, are you gonna take that? I I I think you were gonna have me do that, weren't you, Superintendent? That's fine. That's great. So, one of the things the big change in this is um classified employee limitations on extra assignments. And basically what what's happened in in labor law um if you're an hourly employee um coaching and taking tickets and those things are considered an hourly um thing. And so it would basically put you into overtime and those kind of things. And so if you're an hour employee um we are limiting your ability to do those kind of things. It has to be in
083a voluntary status not in a paid status. So that's what this policy does. Even if they're paid. So what about the custodian that wants to be the line coach for football team? He can volunteer, but he gets paid. He gets paid a stipen to do it. He won't be able to based on the new labor law. That's pretty stupid. I know. I know it. Or you do like Granger and you pay him under the table that I I know. Maybe superintendent, do you want to talk about what Salt Lake does? So, so one Yeah. So, it's an issue that every district is faced with. We're we're um it is an IRS thing. Um, one practice that has gone through some legal counsel, um, is that, uh, a classified hourly employee can sign an agreement that
084basically says, um, that they're volunteering to coach. Uh, they understand they're not receiving an hourly rate. Um and then on that um agreement um they uh there's an acknowledgement that if there's if there's money to pay them a stipend that they would receive a stipend, but it makes it very clear that it's not a condition of them coaching. So basically, it's it's a way to take care of coaches while also meeting the requirements that um the labor laws and the IRS have for that. And so, um, and we we do have a draft of that, um, uh, that we would that would be a procedural draft or procedural, uh, piece that would be on for the second reading of, uh, of this policy. One thought on this, and it's probably already been looked at, we
085can't do it, but I was just thinking it's first reading, we can do whatever we want. Oh, yeah. I I was wondering if one way around because I understand the law like if anything over 40 hours has to be paid at time and a half, but I was wondering one way at their wage. Yeah. So I was wondering one way around it could be you have a separate job code and if you're doing separate job code and and maybe it's different with public schools but I think in in business like if you have somebody they're a like say they're an executive assistant 40 hours a week but they're also a paramedic and they pick up paramedic shifts. They're separate because they're two separate jobs. They're two separate job codes. Yeah. So, we we we have
086looked at that and that's not we're we're we're limited to the 29 hours 29 and a half hours per week um without having to pay all of the benefits and that um regardless of how many different job codes they they have. Okay. Okay. So that there's a couple of different opt that's that's now if you work over 30 hours then I have to give you benefits and so if you're a 29 and a half hour employee and you work additional jobs then that pushes you no matter if it's a separate code or not which is most of the most of the issues we have are those 29hour employees. Yeah. But there are some and I we'd probably have to get legal involved to look at that issue for a a full-time benefited like a custodian.
087So I I I have done I have had that um and they um it it still put them into overtime. Okay. Because they're not salary exempt. Okay. I figured you probably looked at it. Yeah, it's we want to be as flexible as we can, but we we also have Right. So, does that include like when you put out the emails, come take tickets for 10 bucks an hour or whatever. Yep. That includes all. Yeah. Okay. So, that would be paid in a stipen situation. It would be voluntarily and then at the end of the year if we had money, we could pay a stipen or the Yeah. the end of the season or whenever we establish those those times. It used to be assignment for teachers and they didn't get paid for it. They just
088I remember those days. I used to write a list. It was just part of your part of your job expectations activities throughout the year and that they just did it. They didn't get paid for it. That was part of their contract. Yeah. I guess times have changed. I guess in some districts and schools I know Jonathan's they they still say, "Okay, you're going to the drama thing this night and taking tickets. You're going here." Yeah. Well, it's actually do the same, too. Yeah. They don't get paid. Yeah, the Fair Labor Standards Act say if you require uh what we call classified uh a non-exempt person to do work, you have to pay them for it. And if they go more than 40 hours, you have to pay them overtime. Oh, but like teachers teachers are
089non-exempt. They are exempt. They are exempt. So, they are an exempt employee and could do what we're asking them to do. Yeah. Okay. And so really what this is, what we're trying to do is create more flexibility for us and for those employees that want to be involved with extracurricular activities. All right. Any other questions on this policy? Yeah, I got a problem with number B. Number 2B, conflict with primary duty. The superintendent, the business administrator and principles are restricted from being coaches of Utah High School Activity Association and teams. North Summit's superintendent girls basketball coach and the head football coach. He was still is getting to do it. Go ahead. He is. He's he's still coaching. Y So is that that has been in the policy for a long time? That was a policy
090that was written a few years ago and and we have actually changed that. It was written when they didn't want me coach because it used to be vice principles too and we took Yeah. It used to be all administrators and we changed it so the athletic directors well Greg did it when Greg was here. The athletic directors can now coach and the vice principles can now coach used to be that they couldn't state regulated. That's just a internal policy. It's internal. So I wasn't around when they put the policy in place. So I have no they put the policy in place cuz they afraid to go to Wade Woolsey and say we don't want you coach no more because you're too many million dollar kids. Was that really true? Like when I believe that I
091wasn't on the board and I told him at the time if you don't want me to coach please tell me don't coach no more cuz I'll walk away easy but don't infect everybody else because you don't have enough guts to tell me. I mean I I don't have a problem with it if people are willing to coach. That's where I'm at. if they can do their job and do and be a coach and you know and be the superintendent's job to come to go to whatever principal and say you know what you're not getting your principal stuff done you need to back off the coaching you don't need a policy for everything you just need backbone to tell people what they can do and what they can't do yep agreed I think it's a dumb
092I'm not I'm not disagreeing I just it's been a longstanding one we've loosened it some in the last four say all administrators and we took that piece. That's right. I'm taking I I'm just making a motion. I I just I would like to see it strike that whole thing. Yeah. And let us let us hire the best coaches and they can't do their job and coach, then we tell them they can't coach. Any any any other um opinions on that front or or any of that? I I I think the other reason just in in I remember talking to um some of the people back when we were originally u making this policy a little looser was um the principal generally is the final line of appeal at the school level for things and they
093um they supervise everyone in that line of authority as far as the athletic director and uh assistant principal if they have an assistant principal overseeing athletics. I think that was one of the other reasons why um when we talked about it before why principles were why it was left there. Well, then that just go to you. You'd be the you'd be the main decider on that because you okayed him to be the coach. So you're the you're the final person or the school board. Yeah. Well, you know what it does is it puts a superintendent hiring a coach Yeah. rather than the building principal. That was the those were the conversations before. I'm just saying it would be a rare situation, but if you had that individual that was really good at what he did,
094why would you restrict and make the kids suffer and not be able to play underneath that individual? Yeah. If that case ever happened, I ain't saying it'll ever happen again, but well, just why have just on the opposite? Well, just to argue one side of it, and I'm not saying that I'm against it. If you have to fire as a coach and they're still the principal, is there hard feelings? There's always hard feelings. There's always hard feelings, right? You know what? You can't be you can't be the boss without making a decision without making somebody mad. Yep. I've been in some iate meetings when they fired coaches. Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to head it off before it starts, right? The principal. You've got to keep You want to keep the principal. That's the
095one. They're hard. Maybe you don't. Maybe you don't. Yeah. Maybe he's a great coach, a terrible principal. I guess they're they're not I don't know. It's a good thought about I You're just trying to avoid the problem before it's problem because we've had issues with coaches. Yeah. With one named Wade. We had to create a policy for him. You don't want to work kids hard enough that they have a chance to win state championships. So I yeah that's the only the only question that that I'm just looking at from all sides keep you from being involved how do in the end how do you manage that position what could it create and you still I mean I agree it's going to be very rare right I mean none of our principles are going to want
096to go coach team or basketball team parents or players have a problem with the coach they have to go to the superintendent so as long as Greg says no you can't work as a uh coach you can control that. Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, I I believe that. I mean, that's what I want. I want people to make decisions and quit hiding behind policies. Yeah. Too much of our life is we cover ourselves with policy so we don't have to be the bad guy, right? And that way and and in doing that, good things can't happen in certain situations. Like Jerry Holmes is a great coach in North Summit. He's a great super. He was a great superintendent. He just retired. But if they'd had this policy in there, those kids would that their
097school would have suffered. Yep. Well, and really there's no way of knowing what they would have had because it would wouldn't have been allowed. Yeah. Right. That's what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't think that it's a potential high risk. Well, the superintendent has to sign off on the principle of doing it. Yeah, exactly. And if he doesn't want that to happen, right? He's just going to say no. And and if Mr. Mann decided he wanted to go coach swimming, we would have to prove it as a board. Can he can he do his job and still go coach swimming? Yeah. He may be a swimming swimming all-American somewhere. And yeah, he could bring a lot to our program. You know, that just that's true. I do I do hesitate a little bit just
098in the mixing of academic focus versus athletic focus because we do deal with a relatively decent size population of people that focus more it seems like more on athletics than academics. Uh I have no problem saying no. Uh the the question I would have is then those people are going to go to the board and say why is the superintendent not allowing the principal to coach and then at that point you either have to support or or overturn a decision or direct me. So I mean there is potential there. I'm not opposed to the change. I'm just pointing out potential uh roadblocks or issues. I just like to create controversy. I thrive on it. That's a good point. It's okay. I'm a fixer. Got to have a problem to fix it, right, Wes? Yeah. Shake
099it up a little. It does if if we take it out of the policy, it does allow for discretion. Yeah. Other thoughts, comments. Is this the last reading on this? First reading. Okay. We can play at this some more. Yeah, I mean this is Yeah, we can do whatever we want with the policy. Um, we have a a comment to modify section B to remove it to remove. You had a motion, right? Well, we'll just add that into the motion when we uh I'm sure when we approve it for first reading. Yeah. Um, any other any other areas that are concerning thoughts? Well, not I was just thinking something you said, Linda, stuck with me about it's probably not going to happen very often because it's only superintendent, principles, and business administrator, right? So, how
100often is a the business administrator, principles? We would have to approve those. Yeah. The board would have to approve it and it's not going to happen very often. Have we ever had a superintendent or business administrator coach? We had a situation when we first built the rec center where the at the time the head football coach, he wanted to apply to be over the rec center. Rec center. Okay. And they would not let him do that and coach football. And so they hire the guy they hire two years later, he's the head baseball coach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in my opinion, if until we see academics radically change, I would be opposed to allowing that, but that's we can do that in the board meeting. Yeah. Yeah. I think you get the best coach you
101can. We haven't always hired the best coaches up here. So, all right. Um, it doesn't sound like there's any other questions. So, I'll entertain a motion for uh policy 505. I'll make a motion to approve policy 505 extra duties and under number two conflict with primary duty cross out B, item B. All right, we have a motion. Looking for a second. I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? There was none opposed. All right. Superintendent got another job. You need swim coach now. Sue. All right. Does he know how to swim? Don't have to know how to swim. He actually does. Yeah, I guess. He's more likely to want to be over the favines. Cool. Be careful. All right. Um, I can't think of a worse job
102than to be a cheerleader coach Bobby. And then, uh, we do have some reasons to move into close session to deal with some contracts, some personnel contracts. So, uh, entertain a motion to do that. Make a motion to go into close session. We have a motion to go in and close session. Yeah. We we need to state the reason in that motion, though. So for negotiations negotiations and contracts. So we amended a motion. So we'll now look for a second. Second. A motion a second. Roll call vote. Dan. How do you vote? I. Wade. I. Ty. I. I. I. And. And I think we'll be able to just stay in the room. Yeah. Everybody vacated. Second to get out of here. Um, we just need to turn off While we're waiting for that, just a
103reminder, we don't have a July board meeting or work session.