001lesson plans in great detail. You know, just certain phrases. I just I need more as a parent to make a better decision. Um and thank you uh Miss Kerr Hbert for presenting the question regarding the opt out like I would maybe like to pick and choose certain things. >> So, thank you for asking that. Thank you for listening to me and have a good night. >> Thank you for staying so late, too. Um, okay. Audience comments. Um, audience comments are limited to three minutes per person in order to allow ample time for all who wish to speak. Patrons speaking on behalf of a group are also allowed three minutes and should identify the group they are representing prior to speaking. Um, do we have anyone? Members of the board, Shane Boswell, a parent out of
002Buck Marsh. I wanted to address the board impact on the uh the board packet on the impact of the new cut scores concerns me greatly. Um, one of the things that I would like to see, and you addressed it, Dr. bowling a little bit is if we lift and shift our 2025 scores. I I think it's incredibly important that we communicate to the community what that would look like. You know, I I know that we've seen a steady trend upwards and that's fantastic. Again, commending the board and the school district, but I think that we have the potential for a very, very rough surprise in the spring. and I consider myself pretty well informed. Um, and it's been a struggle for me to get information out of the state board. So, um, we just need
003to communicate that early and often. And whatever parents can do, I recommend that we all work with the state board, communicate with the state board as well as our local school boards to remind them that you can't just change the speed limit when the school bus is already going down the road. and expect everything to end well. Um, it's going to be a problem. Uh, another thing uh that I wanted to cover, and I don't see a timer, so um there's also some concern about ELLL standards potentially being three semesters instead of 11 semesters. Um, that came up in a conversation in Frederick County. >> That's already in effect. It's not part of the cut scores, right? That's part of the accountability framework that already passed. And what that means is under the old up
004until um this fall and I should actually say up until last fall because the numbers that's getting ready to be released in a couple weeks, the accountability scores are based on that already. Okay. >> But it's part of the um governor's initiative to a new accountability framework. And in the past, an English language learner had 11 semesters to master the language before their test counted um toward the division. If they passed, and they were only like five semesters in, it helped. But if they didn't pass, it couldn't hurt. Under the new one, they are given three semesters until the testing counts. >> Okay. And >> and that's been in place since last fall. >> Last fall. >> Okay. Um, with with the new cut scores, do we have any inkling of a plan for how
005we're going to try and and ramp that up? And if we start to push our our administrators and our teachers to adjust curriculum now in flight, what is that level of effort going to look like? And then just I wanted to tap on the the VRF bit for Mr. Nucci, uh, Ed Kulie. Um, we need to make sure that the the HVAC that's supporting those new VRFs has a variable frequency drive on it. That we're not going to be hit with a surprise charge to go update the outside unit. Just changing the VRFs without taking the entire system and the building management into account could be problematic. Thank you. >> And uh, normally, but I think it'd be good for the whole community, the effect piece. Um, What I've told our administrators and our staff
006is we're just going to do the best we can for every individual kid and we're going to work as hard as we can. We're going to continue to teach up and do the very best that we can and um take care of every child the best we can. But there will be an impact and the impact on our 2025 scores. The reading had it been in place would have went from 75.87 to 39.32 and the math would go from 72.90 to 39.33. So, we're going to do everything we can for every child and we're going to work hard for them. But if it does go into place, there's going to be an impact. It's just how can we soften that as much as possible. >> Thank you. Um approval of new business. So, we have
007approval of the FLLE curriculum on the agenda. Where are we as a board in terms of voting? Do you need more another month? Not to interrupt as that, but you really do have three options. And I want y'all to know that you can pass it tonight, reject it tonight, or if you need more time, you can say table it till the next month. But if you do that language, you would say table. But those are the three options. Well, I was I've been trying to get some feedback from, you know, my district. Um, I've been encouraging parents and people I've talked to to look this up. I, you know, I think there are some things that are concerning and uh obviously wanted as much feedback as possible and and the pie chart is great, but
008it's 10 people. So, um I I would I would uh suggest that we move it on and try to get make sure the public is aware of it and get some more feedback just as a responsible board member answering to constituents and want want to be as transparent as possible. And I think think I brought that up in the last meeting and um most of these things I believe are going to be would be implemented in the spring. So I think we have some time to do that's just my first thought rather than going into details. a number of my fears have been outlayed by the presentation and all that. Uh there's still a couple of them and one of them being we still haven't heard much from the community and I'm going to try
009and reach out to my district a little bit and uh I'd rather hear the problems now than we than after we put something in and we have to try and fix it. So I if you're making a motion to table this for another month second I think >> well let's um so what do you think Mr. Cip and and Mr. Kennedy >> well I'd like to have a question to the principles if we do delay it another month and then we accept it is it put any stress on the teaching and the aspect of implying it for this year >> none >> that was my main question as well so That said, I'll make a motion that we table. >> Okay, hold on. I have do have a question. So, what is what does community
010feedback look like? Um because I just like sometimes we just don't get feedback. And so if we don't if we're not at, you know, double the the number of um responses that we had on the pie chart, do we table it again or or when do we finally say, "Okay, this is what we're this is what our plan is because that does happen." Um when people aren't really ch emotionally charged about their thoughts. I mean, we send out surveys about the budget and most of the time the response is like mediocre. >> I think, Madam Chair, that uh we're all hoping that there would be a better response to the uh district's request for feedback. I think there are a couple of methods we can use though to try to listen a little bit. There's
011a couple of these uh uh public uh comment or public forums on Facebook and all that and I've had some joy getting finding out what people thought. >> Okay. >> Either uh and I'm just hopeful very simply that I would like to hear from anybody who has thoughts on the matter and this will be your last opportunity. >> Okay. >> I think I say I think the time our timing is what I said before. >> I think uh Yeah, we'll do it if we do it a month. I don't think we kick kick the can down. >> It's just not fair because we need Yes. Because people need to know whether we're going to approve it or >> I think the challenge is on us right now to raise the awareness >> with our constituents.
012I mean, I think we're just going to have to get out there and it may just be whether that's doortodoor talking to them at an event, football game, whatever. We've got to get out there because I'm not prepared. base everything off of 10 people response. >> Okay. So, is there a motion um >> make a motion we table this next month's agenda? >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Approval of operating carryover. Um, is there a motion um for the approval of the FY25 year-end operating carryover as presented? >> I move to approve the FY25 year-end operating carryover reallocation request as recommended and move to forward the request to the Clark County Board of Supervisors. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any discussion?
013Sorry, should have said that first. >> We're kind of talked out. Okay. Um, approval of FY25 year end capital carryover. Are there any comments or questions? Discussion. >> I move to approve the FY25 year end capital carryover reallocation request as recommended and move to forward the request to the Clark County Board of Supervisors. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. consideration of policies and regulations for first and second reading. Um, first are there any questions or comments discussion related to these? And Dr. Bowling, do you want to share anything from our policy meeting? >> Most of these here are rather standard and a lot of them are just Virginia code changes that came out of BSBA. So, one of the things there is purchasing procedures was just a legal reference piece. Nothing
014big there. The hold harmless and release agreement for bus drivers is something that now I can't remember. I think it was at least 13 years that Clark has been doing. We've just never written into a regulation or a policy. So, we felt uh good in taking that for a first and second read. The online courses and virtual school programs is not our regulation that upholds that. This was just a general very short BSBA policy and it had a legal reference change. So nothing big there. Similar thing on student conduct. Probably of everything up there, the most substantial for first and second read is student athlete extreme heat safety and protection uh policy. That is a BSBA policy and it's a new requirement starting this year for Virginia code. We would have done that one last
015month, but we had to insert guidelines of how coaches are going to react to uh heat exhaustion and heat safety. So, that's why we took a little bit longer to get that one ready, but we feel confident in that one. And the last one is a FOYA policy for uh public records, and it's just legal reference changes. So really, I would say the only thing up there that's really substantive is the student athlete extreme heat safety and protection. And we feel really good about that policy at this point. >> Okay. Is there a motion um to approve these policies and regulations for first and second reading? >> I'll move to approve the policies and regulations as presented for the first and second reading. >> Second. Okay. All in favor? >> I >> um consideration of
016policy for first reading. So when the policy committee committee met on September 12th and reviewed the policy related pol reviewed policy KH1 CCPS crowdfunding. Um we are recommending it for a first reading to give um the board time to to review it but then also staff right and >> yeah we're going to review this at our admin staff meeting on October the 9th. We had followed the policy of a lot of surrounding districts on that but it doesn't quite work exactly for us in Clark in particular. There's just a few things that cause concern. So, we've done edits that we think will address that, but we want to get it right and in passing it. So, we're going to take it to the admin team, let them review it, let you all have a month
017to consider it, then bring it back. >> Okay. So, is there a motion for the um crowdfunding policy? >> I make a motion that we have the policy review. the admin team and brought back next month. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I'm sorry. Any discussion? >> Mr. Kennedy, did you second it? >> Mr. Wilson. Okay. >> Quieter than normal. >> Okay. Um, moving on to schoolboard member comments. So, Mr. Cip, you want to start us off? At this time I have not like to I think some of them have left by now but the work that you have done has been tremendous. Um the first presentation was good and this was even better and um I commend you on that. Yeah I was concur with that.
018It was an excellent presentation. Uh thank you very much and thank you for all your hard work on it. I may have more question. >> Um I'll third with their their comments as well. Um thank you for your your diligence and hard work on that. I know it's not easy. It's a mandate. It comes down kind of feel like you're pushed into it. Um, I'll save my my viewpoints and comments, I think, until we until next uh meeting as far as where I think it is. I think there are some slippery slopes that that parents need to look at and recognize and and um I challenge them to look at it from a parent perspective to say, do you want someone else teaching your children some of this information that that probably should come from
019the home? I'll say that like our discussion 75 80% of this is is solid, spot on. U but there's definitely some some things to look at as far as the the decision to raise the so cut scores um and where we're at with that. I think I'm got some significant concerns on what the impact's going to be. We all do. And uh and to Shane's point as far as um econom equitable resources that we may find ourselves trying to identify to to meet the challenges of getting the students the help that they need in order to to increase their scores. I'm all for the um you know increasing the standards. There's there's no doubt about that. So I just want to make sure it's it's balanced fair across the board. I think that's u that's
020all I got. >> Okay, Mr. Bbeck. >> Um the the document, can we get that without I mean with things taken out instead of just omitted? Can we get hard copy of that? I would appreciate that. Um, also certainly commend all your work. Uh, for I'll reiterate what Mr. Wilson said. I I would greatly appreciate some response from some parents, especially in my my district. U yay or nay. I I would go ahead and say right now, just so people know where I stand, that if we did have to take a vote on this, I would probably be leaning toward a no on accepting it. I think there's some things in there that um u not to be. I I tend to think the state is overreaching on a lot of this. Um obviously, most
021of it's the sexual related and things like that. Um, but I but I want to hear from people and uh and so I I encourage that. Um, let me see the on the on the cut scores it kind of throws up with the with the kind of the thing that we laughed at when Dr. Bowen was presenting it about the scores being the top 25 being lower. pass rate on that one thing. And so it just gives another reinforcement that the state doesn't know what they're doing sometimes and it's not always the best. So I think that relates to this thing and we need to do what's best for our community and what the people we represent the way they feel. I would also encourage as far as that cut scores I think there's power
022in in numbers and It certainly be nice to know that the other divisions are you know what they have actually sent and the state needs to hear from the superintendent. They're not hearing it. You know what we can do as a board draft ourselves or solicit other other boards from other divisions to join in. Thank you. Um, so a couple comments from me and I'll try to keep it short because we're tired. Um, regarding I think that um I understand that there's a lot of concern especially because of situations that have have arisen um in surrounding counties that then make us feel like we need to um keep issues that that other counties have had there and not bring them here. And I feel like there's there's going to be an ele there's probably an
023element of concern or fear, worry that by bringing these topics up in in school like sexuality and that kind of thing that we would be then lending ourselves to this risk of um having issues like other counties have had. But I also think having taught family life that it's incredibly important and we have so many families now who don't look the way that nuclear families looked like back in 1987 when this was implemented as a law. And we have a lot of grandparents raising children um who may not have um you know the same level of literacy in terms of technology that maybe a 25year-old parent may have. Um, and so I think that we also have to remember that we are acting as a board for our entire community and not just families that
024that may um have a lot of support from home. So I think that that's important to take into consideration. Hold on one second. And then go ahead. >> No, go ahead. I just when you finish, I'd like to amplify. >> Okay. And then we also have families that have um that are single parents that are, you know, maybe raising a child of opposite gender and maybe don't don't have the the same the knowledge that that you have like because you are a female or whatever like you know going through a menstrual cycle or something like that like you the instruction is the name. And so it's helpful just for our community or or for our children to receive the same message rather than relying on social media or whatever they see on Tik Tok or
025whatever pops up um on Snapchat. And so I think it's important as we get closer to making a decision on this that we're taking into account that it's it's meant to be helpful for everybody and not just families that have >> two parents or two Yes. Right. a traditional family. >> But one thing I am pretty much in favor of it in high school and asking parents, some of whom don't even know the options out there today. >> Uh particularly when it regards drugs and things like this, I'm very happy that this should be done there. You >> I'm would really like to have a hard look at the middle school that was being presented there. And the problem to me comes down to the elementary school kids and what the school should be teaching.
026And one of the problems we have in society today is parents have abdicated their responsibilities and just dumped them on the school. And well, let's be the first place to put a stop to that perhaps. All right. Thank you. >> Okay. And we probably should have had this this discussion like >> when when it was time. But >> so so one thing I will say on on those topics is there's some topics in there when I look at like pornography >> um and are we discussing the impact that it has on families and relationships and expectations and things like that. We live in America where um there's an overwhelming um addiction to pornography and things like that. And some of these subjects are so sensitive. How do you possibly teach them without, you know, and
027remain objective >> uh in your own beliefs? >> And and I get that's your responsibility as educators and I appreciate it. I don't know that I could do it. Um but that's one of the concerns that I have. Uh, so one other point and totally off of that that I had made in my notes that as far as the so um I would encourage the state not that they're ever going to you know watch Clark County's board meeting but to re-evaluate the pace and the scope of the raising this the cut scores to ensure that the additional support systems are in place before implementing higher benchmarks. So kind of goes back to what I said. If we get those tutorials in place to your point, Dr. Bowling, a phased approach where maybe we don't jump
028from 400 to 450, maybe it's over the course of two to three years and we start preparing and allows districts to get those tutors in place the additional um you know assistance that you know TAS everything else that we need. So just throwing that. And to just kind of piggyback off of what you were saying with the so cut scores. Um, so my comment regarding the cuts the change in the cut scores is I I liken it to I you know I think about running and I think about you know you've trained for a marathon. So you've trained to run 26 miles and then halfway through or like the first six miles somebody says actually let's make it a 50k which is like 30 miles or changing if you're playing a football game not very
029good at the sports with the with balls but um you know football we're gonna okay so 10 yards we're gonna um is a first down Right. Well, never mind. We're going to we're going to change in the first quarter of the game. Instead of 10 yards for a first down, we're going to make it 15. And if you change those things, especially I again, I can only kind of rationalize running, but if you change those things and you say, "Okay, we want you to run 50 miles or we want you to run a 50k." Then you change your training and you change your strategy and you work towards that goal. But just throwing out a out a change um when you've already started the game or match whatever race is is it's just not fair
030to our kids. And it's not that they can't do it, but it's it sure doesn't seem fair to to do this in the first quarter of our school year. And we're not actually it probably won't even be implemented until second quarter maybe. So, all right. Um, thank everyone. Thank you all for staying so late. And do we have a motion to move into close session? >> I move to convene to close session to discuss personal personal matters including appointments and resignation pursuant of code Virginia section 2.2-3711. A1. The estimated time for required required for close session is 30 minutes and action is expected. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi.