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School Board Workshop - 11/10/2025

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YouTube / VBSchools
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2025-11-12
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Virginia Beach city, VA
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9,556 words · about 54 min
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2026-06-08

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001Good afternoon. My name is Kathleen Brown,  chair of the Virginia Beach School Board,   and I call this administrative, informal,  and workshop session to order. Madame clerk,   would you please announce the role? Thank you,  Madam Chair, president in the school board chamber   or chair Brown, Mr. Bowensteel, Mr. Kalen, Mr.  Cummings, Miss Dwire, Miss Felton, Dr. Green,   Miss Milnik, and Miss Rogers. Thank you. Um we, um  Vice Chair WS is on the way. Um we are now on to   schoolboard administrative matters and reports. Um  a couple things I just want to put on the board's   radar and make sure um I don't believe that we  have a time yet still for the five-year forecast.   Is that correct, Dr. Robertson? Okay. Um so that  is um November 18th. So, I just want the boards   to be aware that

002the five-year forecast will be  on the 18th of November. Uh time is still to be   determined. Historically, I think it's been at 1.  Um also, uh we will have a special meeting just   for discipline on the 18th at 4 p.m. Um so, I just  want to make sure everybody's aware of that. And   then there's one other thing. Um Mr. Co Pepper is  currently our VSBA rep. He due to personal reasons   is not sure if he's going to be able to attend um  until the day before the VSBA. And Miss Melnik is   our um substitute. Um and you're not attending,  correct? So um if we could um get somebody that   is going to be able to be at the VSBA to um cast  the vote consistent with what the board votes,   um I would like a

003volunteer for that  today. Miss Rogers. I can do that. Yeah. Clerk. Um, Chair, uh, Chair Brown, in reference  to the BSBA, uh, and since it's going to be   Miss Rogers, all you need to do is go up to the,  uh, welcome desk, um, at the meeting, tell them   who you are, and they'll sign you in. So, we are  covered that as long as we have a member from our   school board there, they'll be able to vote. Okay,  perfect. Thank you. And did you have anything to   report since your name was in line? Yes. I would  like to take the opportunity to acknowledge the   following recognitions and celebrations within our  community for the month of November. We will be   recognizing the following. Diabetes Awareness  Month, which raises awareness about diabetes   prevention and management. Uh National Native 

004American Heritage Month, which honors traditions,   cultures, and histories of Native American and  Alaska Alaskan Native peoples. And during this   month, educational programs, storytelling, and  cultural festivals are held to celebrate their   contributions and educate the public about their  history and ongoing challenges. On November 1st,   the community celebrated dees lotos, which is a  holiday that is intended to reunite the living   and the dead. On November 8th, the community  celebrated Dwali, which is the festival of lights,   and it symbolizes the victory of light  over darkness. Tomorrow on November 11th,   the community will recognize Veterans Day,  which honors all American veterans who have   served in the armed forces. On November 13th, the  community will celebrate World Kindness Day, which   is a global celebration to promote the importance  of being kind to one another. On November 20th,   the community will

005celebrate Universal Children's  Day, which promotes the international friendship   awareness among children and the welfare of  children worldwide. And finally, on November 27th,   the community will celebrate Thanksgiving Day,  which is observed as a day to give thanks. The   celebration is marked with friends and family  gathering for a large meal and expressing   gratitude for the autumn harvest and blessings of  the past year. Thank you, Dr. Green. Thank you.   Um, by now each of our schoolboard members should  have received an invitation to our legislative   breakfast which will be held on December  the 4th at 8:30 a.m. at Bayside High School. Great. Thank you. We will now move on to  the Mercer update. We welcome Linda Matkins,   director, Office of Consolidated Benefits. and Crystal. Uh, good evening, Chair Brown,  schoolboard members, Dr. Robertson. Joining me   this evening virtually is

006David Kio, principal  with Mercer, and in person is Linda Matkins,   director of consolidated benefits. Um,  tonight, Mercer will provide a financial   update reflecting claims data from July through  September of 2025 and the updated health fund   balance as of the end of September. The  presentation will also cover medical and   pharmacy cost drivers and include an update on  the results of open enrollment. In addition,   you will also see two projection scenarios. The  first incorporates the $5.8 million from reversion   as approved by the school board. The second builds  on that scenario and includes the additional   $5 million of employer contribution option  we presented back on October 14th. We want   to continue to emphasize that neither of these  scenarios impacts employee contribution rates for   the 2026 plan year. These actions are designed  to strengthen the financial stability of our  

007health fund and positions us for sound planning  and decision making as we prepare for 2027.   Looking ahead, we will return in February with an  updated report reflecting claims data from October   through December of 2025 and a related updated  fund balance. As we have emphasized before,   maintaining a two-month reserve remains critical  to ensuring the long-term sustainability of our   health fund. Our ongoing goal is to rebuild that  reserve while continuing to mitigate increases   for both the employer and the employees. At this  time, I'll turn the presentation over to David to   walk you through the detailed informations  and then we will open it up for questions. Thanks very much, Crystal. And Linda, I appreciate  you advancing the slides here. So, as Crystal   said, this is our financial update using data  through September. And we've got a got a

008brief   agenda here, but we'll go through the experience,  talk a little bit about the cost drivers, and   then we'll get into the exhibits to illustrate the  projections for uh 2025, 2026, and 2027. And we'll   focus uh primarily on the 2026 plan year. And then  we've got assumptions and methodologies uh in the   appendix, but we we won't go there uh unless  directed to do so. So um next slide, please.   And uh one more. All right. So, as mentioned, the  the data that we shared uh in our in our previous   meeting went through June. We're always using a  rolling 24 months when we do our analysis and we   update projections, but we'll focus here on um on  the data through September. And so I'll call your   attention if I may to the upper left uh corner  there

009where it illustrates the loss ratio and it's   102.9%. So the the definition there is over on  the right side. The loss ratio is total plan cost   divided by the budgeted premium. And so a higher  number is unfavorable. A lower number is is is   favorable. uh and and the budget rates are set. So  they would have been set using June data uh last   year uh for the current 2025 plan year. And we use  those budget rates and update the aggregate budget   by multiplying the the budget rates by the actual  enrollment by tier. So you'll see that in those   um horizontal bar graphs in the center top of  the page here. And so the the bar graph in the   middle gross plan cost versus gross budget u  unfortunately the the data the experience for   the most recent

010three months uh was was was not  good. It exceeded budget. Uh and so that's why we   wanted to start up with this with this exhibit  here just to to call that out. Um you'll see   uh the 12.2 million in June that was incorporated  in the last projection. The three months that   have been updated are the 10.8 million, 11.8, and  11.4. All three of those exceeded the budget. So,   uh, unfortunately, it's an unfavorable  development, and we'll use all of this   to show how that uh how how it impacts uh the  financial position and the and the projection.   uh the line graph at the bottom is the current  year and the prior year uh overlaid on top of   each other. So you can see there the uh the  the dark line is the most recent uh period  

011uh going through September. So you can see  uh essentially four of the of the last uh   five months were were at or above uh  the same figures in the prior year. So with that we'll we'll move  forward and talk a little bit   more about the trend uh on the next slide please. So this data is a illustration of uh experience  back to 2021 and the line graphs uh show the   incurred claims. So that is specifically based  on the date the claims were incurred. So they   were incurred in these uh in these years and we're  tracking them on a per employee per month basis.   Pepm is per employee per month and we compare that  uh to identify uh the trend. So in this incurred   claims data you'll see there uh in the chart  to the right

012there's a column for medical RX is   prescription drug and then total and you'll see  the the uh the claims trend there on the bottom   row 25 2025 year to date versus 2024 year to  date. So period over period through September   the medical trend is 8.6 14.6 for prescription  and 10.4 four in total and so that is continuing   to run higher than projected. You'll uh you'll  recall that when we when we spoke last time the   trend that we're using is 9% on an annual  basis. So that 10.4 uh is uh as suggested   by the prior exhibit u is running uh running  higher than than expected. Uh next slide please. So we want to update you on just some of the the  cost drivers within the medical claims here. And   uh and now uh directionally everything is 

013similar. This is utilization data that we   receive from Centa. And so there's one slight uh  difference in the uh basis for the data and that   is that these are based on paid claims. So, it's  the date on which a claim was processed or or paid   um versus being tied back to the date  on which the services were rendered.   But the the directionally the uh they're very  similar. And this allows us to look at the most   uh real time uh processed uh data for  you all. And so you'll see the circle   the red circles there highlight some of the  categories that had the significant growth   uh uh cancer nervous system claims digestive gen  genital urinary and pregnancy uh those categories   all increased in excess of 20% when we compare  period uh 2024 to to the September

0142025 data. Next slide please. So this is the uh same type of information  but for specifically the pharmacy claims that   were processed in the period over period. And so  you'll see there at the at the top uh we've got   total pharmacy cost uh on a per member basis. So  we're drilling it down to the to the purest uh per   capita basis. So it's when we say member, we mean  any individual that's covered on the plan, whether   they be a retiree, a dependent of a retiree or an  employee or that retiree or employee themselves.   Um, and so you'll see that 14.1% increase on a per  member basis. And we split that into uh specialty   and non-spety. And and really we we call out the  specialty medications. They are the highest cost   medications. And you'll see uh

015that in the in the  chart below. Um they are they are expensive uh on   a per prescription basis. Uh and they contribute  significantly significantly to the to the cost. So   uh just a couple of highlights there. Heimera is  the top specialty drug and uh it's contributing   um about $2.1 million in in pharmacy claims.  And then the uh top two non-speety drugs are   u are ompic and mangaro uh that are uh  contributing a combined $3 million to the plan.   So uh some of you all may have heard the  term GLP1s and those medications are in   fact in that in that class of medications  and uh the the school's plan covers GLP1s   for when they are prescribed for the diagnosis  of diabetes and that's what this specifically   uh is being used to treat uh GLP-1s for  the

016diagnosis of uh weight loss or or   specifically obesity. uh they are not they are  not currently covered under the plan. So anything   you see here in that category is is related to  the treatment of diabetes. Next slide please. So we talk a lot about the high-cost claims  and and that is is what has been driving the   primary driver of the cost acceleration in the  in the school's plan. So, uh, we've got the   historical high-cost claimments here, and this is  activity for individuals that have over $100,000,   uh, in the in the year in the plan year. Um, and  so this is, uh, for the 2025, uh, you'll see that   the high-cost claimments, the sum of the high-cost  claimments in the chart down at the bottom,   um, increased about 2.2% 2% from from 26.9 million  to 27.5

017million. Um so that is uh a significant   driver and and generally speaking um however the  high cost claimment trend goes is uh is is how   the the plan will will generally trend uh and and  we're cons continuing to see elevated high-cost   claimments there. Um the number of high-cost  claimants over $100,000 um increased about 9.6   6% from 125 to 137. Um, so that's uh that's the  the bad news. The good news is is the intensity   of the claims uh actually declined about 8%. And  when I say intensity, I'm referring to the average   cost of those high-cost claimments. Uh it dropped  about 8% from 217,000 down to to 199,000 uh per   per person. So there's um like like anything  you might be tracking, there's a there's the   volume times the cost. Uh so the volume increase  is

018is really the primary driver rather than an   increase in the in the intensity of these high  cost claimments. Um you'll see over there to the   right there's a a note of.3% of members enrolled  in the plan which is about 40 individuals or is 40   individuals uh accounted for uh almost 16% of the  of the total plan spend. Uh and that is uh a bit   eye-catching perhaps but it is entirely normal in  employer sponsored plans. Next slide please. Um so   that that wraps up the the utilization and the the  cost elements and we'll talk about the projection   uh in just a moment. It of course will take into  consideration all of the claims experience that   we just described there. Uh this exhibit  is intended to capture the enrollment that   that resulted from the recent uh open

019enrollment  elections that all plan participants went through.   So the first column is um is the enrollment  proportion in each of the tiers of coverage   that was assumed prior uh during in the midst of  the the rate setting process. So, we set the rates   for 2026, the budget rates, and we assumed the  enrollment distribution uh that you see there,   and then we want to compare that to what  actually happened as a result of the elections   that were captured in the recently concluded open  enrollment. And so, you'll see there the variance.   Um there was there was a little bit of a uh little  bit of sh of a shift away from peers where there   are dependents covered. uh a little bit of shift  towards uh employee um employee or retiree only   coverage as you'll see that 1.7%

020variance. So  it increased the employee/retireon uh category   increased about 1.7%. Uh and so you can see the  figures there. We also look at it uh by plan. So   the school's plan includes two offerings, a point  of service plan and a consumerdirected health plan   uh which is an HSA qualified plan. And the  enrollment has been uh relatively stable over   the last several years, but we we are seeing a a  slight modest uh growth in the CDHP enrollment.   You'll see there uh the the the 0.9% increase. So  folks shifted from the point of service plan which   uh does uh have higher contribution requirements  for employees and they elected to make that   transition to the CDHP plan. Uh and and these  figures are as noted in the footnote there.   They are combined for employees and retirees but  but

021the uh the changes were were uh were very   uh very comparable for each. So with that that  describes the uh the open enrollment activity and   if we can move to the next slide please we'll talk  about what all this means in terms of the plan   year projection. So uh in this exhibit we we break  down the various components of the projection and   again we'll focus on that middle column the 2026  plan year that's upcoming here and uh what we do   is we look at all that experience that we talked  about and we use a rolling 24 months of experience   with 2/3 waiting on the most recent 12 months  one/3 waiting on the prior 12 months and that's   what we updated using data through September.  So we incorporated in three months that uh were   were above

022budget. So they were not good. The  the experience um did did not improve. In fact,   it um it it it was unfavorable. And so that's what  we're capturing in this projection here. So the   uh we also took into consideration the movement  by tier and by plan. All of this is reflecting   what is now known to be the elected enrollment  for the 2026 plan year. And the gross cost is   132.6 million. the employer contributions actually  declined uh a little bit uh because of that shift   that I mentioned of folks from uh moving away from  dependent heavy tiers and also that uh that modest   movement from the point of service plan which is  a little bit higher cost uh to the CDHP plan. Uh   so that employer contribution was 105.7 when we  used data through June which

023was what was used to   set the rates. So that's the amount the schools  would have budgeted 105.7 the results of the of   the enrollment when we multiply that times the  budget the employer budget amount it actually has   fallen a little bit to to the 103.6. Uh employee  contributions are just that a function of the   rates the contribution rates that were previously  established multiplied by the new enrollment. Um   and you'll see that the the the math uh flows  down there to the 121.1 million. And so that   difference that difference is uh has to fall from  fall to the health fund. Uh and that draw down is   the 11.5. So right now there are three sources of  funding. The employer contribution, the employee   contribution and a draw down of the available  funds from the health fund. And

024those are the   splits for that 132.6 million of projected gross  costs for the 2026 plan year. So the health fund   balance as of five uh as of September 2025 is 5.6  6 million and that is uh lower than was projected   by virtue of the fact that those claims came in  higher in that last quarter those last uh July,   August and September that we talked about because  they were above budget that resulted in a draw   down of the health fund uh at a higher rate than  was projected. Um and so you can see that uh that   draw down. Uh so the projected health fund balance  at 1231 2026 is now estimated to be 5.9 million   uh negative. So you'll recall that the previous  uh projection using data through June before   we got this most recent 3

025months of unfavorable  claims experience that was a positive 1 million.   It was projected to be a positive 1 million at  year end. This updated data now for 2026 u is   yielding a projection that's negative 5.9 million  and the projected uh two months uh reserve again   is 212ths of the projection and so that's 22.1  million. So the the the shortfall relative to the   desired health fund balance is that negative $28  million. So unfortunately the financial picture   has um has has not improved and in fact gotten  gotten worse and and um I'll boil that down to   to say the health fund balance um swung by uh the  the the $6 million to um to negative 5.9 million.   So the options that we were asked to prepare as  Crystal mentioned uh on the next slide please is the

026impact of uh infusing $5.8  million into the plan. And so the   mechanics of of that of how that $5.8 $28  million actually gets into the plan is is   at your discretion. For purposes of  this exhibit, we have added it to the   row of employer contributions. So,  you'll see it went uh it went from 103.6 million up to 109.4 million and  it's off by a tenth due to rounding. Uh   but we added 5.8 million to that. So,  uh, Crystal mentioned that investment,   that infusion into the plan does not  affect the contributions required of   employees or retirees. It simply improves  the financial position of the plan. So,   the math flows through the employee retiree  contributions are are unchanged. Uh,   and the and the result is a favorable impact to  the projected health fund balance at year end.  

027uh that gets it to will round it to zero,  but it it's coming in at a negative $100,000. So rather than the the the negative  5.9 million projected balance,   it is projected to be negative by $100,000. Next slide, please. So the alternative the second alternative  is the an additional $5 million added to   the 5.8 million investment and this exhibit  uh flows through just as the other one did.   So all of that investment is reflected in  the row of employer contributions. Uh so   that employer contribution increases  to 114.4 million. Uh just as before,   there's no impact to the employee and retiree  contributions. So they're static at 17 and a half.   Uh and the math blows through that additional  um 5 million on top of 5.8. So 10.8 million   uh results in a projected health fund balance 

028that is uh back in the positive at $4.9 million. So, uh, that concludes the exhibits  that we've got prepared here today. Uh,   I am happy to answer any questions, Miss Melnik. So, it's hard to just gloss over slide seven,  the pharmacy trend drivers without just a little   discussion about that because clearly that's  a driver right in in the in the increase. I'm   assuming correct. So, um, looking at the bottom  of that slide, um, with the diabetes drugs,   Ompic down to Skyrizzy, um, it says prescriptions  and it says claimments. So, tell me exactly what   prescriptions mean. Are we do we have 709 people  that are taking the drug or do we have 3,431? That's right. The the the claimants are the number  of individual members that are on that particular   medication and the prescriptions are the

029number  of total fills. So if you were to divide the   prescriptions by the claimants 4.8 8 the number of  scripts number of prescriptions per person. Okay.   Yeah, that's like 4.8 a piece. And so that's  a large I mean that's so I guess just how many   people do we have on our plan first of all. How  many employees? Um it is uh about 14,000 employees   I believe. Yes. And there's approximately 23 to  24,000 individuals. Okay. combined consolid. Oh,   sorry. Yes, combined. Okay. So, just in this  slide alone. So, we're self-insured. So,   I'm sure that this is do they look at this as  a risk? Is that what contributes to some of   this? So, if you have 709 employees  that are taking drugs for diabetes,   is there like a risk formula that  they use that drives some

030of this? Yes. So, we're looking at all of this  experience and our actuary. So, so so,   so you um accurately accurately emphasize the fact  that you all are self-funded and so Cantara does   not bear risk in this. So, they are your health  plan administrator, but they don't bear risk in   it. The risk is is yours as a self-funded  employer with some protection built in at   that specific stop-loss level. Um, but we look at  all of the data. Our actuaries here at Mercer do   the projections and take into consideration the  trends within your population and within your   experience. So specifically the utilization  of prescriptions that you referenced there,   the high-cost claimants, the medical conditions  uh and and then we also consider trends within the   market, the healthcare market and use all of that  data to project

031forward. Okay. So we you know we   just generally think power in numbers, right? That  we're are everything is going to be lower because   there are so many of us. But there are also other  drivers that large numbers also increase your your   risk there. You know there are more people to  get sick. Um so that's all part of it. I it you   know again this this is really hard to this is  this is a really hard thing for all of us. So   um I think that was my only question. If I have  one I'll come back. Thank you. Y Dr. Green. Thank   you. And and Miss Mackinson, thank you for all  the great data that triggered more questions in my   mind related to slide number nine and you probably  will have to get back which is

032okay. I was curious   um as David talked about the different subgroups  um as and now that we have the rate increase um   I would be interested in seeing employee numbers  for those who were previously enrolled in the POS   plan and because of the cost they now had to take  a well I don't want to say a lesser plan but it   is a different plan. Um, and and only those who we  already had employed last year that had coverage   with us. I would be interested in seeing raw data  on how many of them now are on the um cheaper   plan, the CDH. Uh, yeah, we can look at that um  information. What he is show what David is showing   is just people, you know, the numbers of people.  So it doesn't get to your point of

033who actually   made a change. So we can get that information,  right? And and I don't need new employees who   elect, right? I just want to compare last year um  to this year because it's unfortunate because of   cost people had to make those tough decisions.  We'll get that information. Thank you, Miss   Rogers. I'm going to circle back again to um slide  seven and kind of piggyback off of Miss Melnik,   but other question um with regard to our major  increase in our prescriptions. So, are we looking   and I'm I'm not going to ask you, David. I think  I'm asking Linda, are we looking for solutions   for these costs um with perhaps other avenues of  delivering medications that would not be through   um you know would be through a less expensive  provider. Um whether that is like mail

034in I I will   just be upfront. I am one of those people with  diabetes and it is much cheaper for me to get my   medicine and I'm not on the school plan through a  male in prescription service than it is for me to   get it at the pharmacy. So again, if we're having  these experiencing these high high costs, how can   we then lower our costs without telling our our  our employees that you can't get this medicine or   you can't get that medicine? Our plan already has  um a lot of um risk mitigation in there. We have   a closed formulary which is any new drug to the  market um is is not available until you know tried   and failed through like a step therapy. Um and we  also have a required generic. It's not mandatory   because

035you can still get a brand but you pay the  difference in the co you pay the difference in the   co-pays and then the difference in the cost of  the drug up to a certain limit. Um the plan also   does have pre-authorizations. It does have what I  mentioned the step therapy. So they try you at a   lower cost drug and then if it you know you can't  take that drug then they will ultimately approve.   Um to your point about um there has been a change  in diabetic re uh rebates. Yes. So for sure. So   the way that would work is the um pharmacy benefit  manager would provide rebates back to the plan and   then a certain allocation of course comes to our  plan that we get quarterly. Um but because of the   change in the diabetic

036drugs, um people at when  they're getting their prescriptions should start   to see a lower cost to them and it's not coming  in rebates back to the plan, which is good for the   member. Yeah. Um but in terms of other um avenues  of medications, we don't have another source at   this time. Okay. And and is that something that's  like possibly to be discussed? I mean, because   you're consolidated, so like I know that it has  to be with the city, but I'm just thinking that if   prescriptions are increasing by such a high cost,  then it would be reasonable to believe that this   trend is going to continue as we move forward and  that it's, you know, and we have to prepare for   that. So in that preparation, I'm just wondering  is that something that the city and

037cons as far as   consolidated is thinking of either you know and I  know that some people talk about oh other you know   places have their own pharmacy for their employees  and that sort of thing just a way to help us lower   costs without hurting our employees. In terms of  the other division that has an on-site pharmacy,   we have explored that. Um, we did that in 2015  again in 2020 and we compared the the actual   ingredient cost of the drugs of our top 100 by  utilization and top 100 by cost. So, it wasn't   every single drug. Um but it was a getting the  top hundred of both of those categories accounted   for over 58% of the total um scripts and there  wasn't a say and so we compared um two different   on-site Cerner and on-site RX

038which is one of  the other division uses unless they've changed   and we compared that to our drugs uh through our  pharmacy benefit manager through Cinta and there   were not savings that would have been achieved  um by actual utilization of our members on the   plan to operate an on-site pharmacy. And and in  terms of other options, we can certainly explore   that part of the RFP process um that we award  reawwarded to Cintara includes um pharmacy. So   if we were to carve that out, there may be some  impact to admin fees, but it's something that   we can explore. And and to your point, we did it  in 2020, but the costs have exponentially grown   since then. So it could be that in the last five  years, I mean, we've se our costs are through the   roof and

039they're just there isn't relief in  sight. So, and this doesn't seem to be a once   off year. We seem to be trending up. So maybe  it might be worth exploring again. Yes, Mr. Ken. I'm going to try to stay as positive as I  possibly can so that we all learn in a happy   upbeat environment. My god. And with that as my  intro, let me explain my reaction to tonight's   presentation. I'm an old school guy who does  things old school ways. And that means I get   hard copies of everything that's presented when  the agenda is put together. Came by this morning   bright and early because I was out of town over  the weekend and picked up my copy of today's   agenda. Went through this section and followed the  presentation that was presented tonight page by   page

040and the story is building to a crescendo.  We're going through slides one through nine   and it's building up with data and all of those  slides are available to me on the packet that I   picked up. But when we get to the grand finale of  the symphony and we get to pages 11, 12, and 13,   I'm looking at lots of fine print, lots of small  font, lots of numbers that are arranged in an   allgether different format than was presented  to me when I picked up the hard copy packet   this morning. Since I want to stay positive and  since this is a section of the schoolboard agenda   meeting where we're all trying to learn and deepen  our understanding of difficult subject matters. This is not a good way to run a railroad to  show the finality of

041all of the detail that   was collected and accumulated and then put it on a  spreadsheet that looks like this and shows up and   being presented by David as he's going through  lots of data. I may be speaking for only myself   and that may be true but this is no way for me to  understand the complexity that accompanies this   subject matter. I apologize. Um when we uploaded  the presentation um it had been put in a format   that provided summary pages. So it did not have  the full projections with the 2025, 2026 and   2027. And it was thought that that summary would  help explain, but we felt it was more confusing   and we felt like we needed to return to the format  in which we had shared with you for the you know   the past two meetings

042because otherwise it it  was confusing and it was almost like starting   over. So I apologize that you didn't have the  presentation that we presented this evening. Um,   we thought that this format because the other  one while it was a summary, it didn't allow you   to do the math and it didn't allow you to see,  okay, this is what the the um balance was as of   September 30th, which then carries over to 2026.  And so that was the reason for the change. Yeah,   let me add that. Uh, so I certainly  appreciate your frustration, Mr. Ken. Um,   we had a meeting at four o'clock on Friday. And  in that presentation at four o'clock on Friday,   Miss Woodhouse, myself, Miss Matkins, Crystal P,  the format that uh that you have in front of you,   uh we felt was

043going to be disadvantaged to the  school board because it was a different format.   So, we requested, we pretty much demanded to  Mercer that they put the presentation back into a   format we're familiar with, which is what you saw  on those last three slides. Well, this was by the   time you talked to Mercer, it was like 4:45. So,  clearly they did no work on Friday between 4:45   and 5:00. They came in and today and and gave  the updated information and and I don't know   what time you would have received it, uh, Miss  Tony, but it would have been this afternoon. So,   we had two choices on Friday at 4:45. Choice A,  we go to the chair and we punt the presentation or we get the right presentation in the right  format and give it to you

044today. We chose to   get the right presentation in the right format and  give it to you today. This is this is a situation   that was a little beyond our control. This is  what happens when you try to turn information   around quickly. uh Mercer was not originally going  to have this information to us until the middle of   November and I said that is not acceptable. The  board needs information on the budget in a format   that's going to give them time to digest the  information. So I am going to fall on the sword on   this one. This is on my this is on me and um but I  want you to understand why the situation occurred.   Well, I thank you for the explanation and  again the intent of my comments is to just   give feedback so that

045we get better at the  process that we engage in. And process is a   key word in lots of different circles these  days. And so if we can enhance our process,   especially on something as important  and significant, but at the same time,   as one of my colleagues has said before,  this is rocket science. And if I'm looking   at something for the first time when I show  up tonight to participate in the meeting, you're not going to make much headway with me  comprehending the comp complexities that accompany   this stuff. So if we can just do that to get  better in our process, then that's my contribution   to the team. Thank you for your feedback. You're  welcome, Miss Melik. Okay, two things. Um,   you mentioned that the o the weight the diabetes  drugs, the injectables, the ompics um

046are   specifically for diabetes. Is there ever going to  be a chance that it will be open for weight loss? I was looking into that prior to the RFP process  and then during the RFP process I had to,   you know, suspend those discussions because it  was with Cindera. Um, and they they can create a   disease management program around that. Um,  unfortunately, and David can speak to it,   um, we're just not in a position to take the  risk at this time, um, a lot of employers that   had implemented it before things were skyrocketing  are actually like he he has seen where people have   changed their plans midyear to remove it because  it's unsustainable. But it's certainly something   that um, we're interested in exploring in the  future. Yeah, it's been an issue. I've heard   from somebody over the

047years. It's been an issue  for for quite some time. And for some people,   that's honestly a good a a good option for them,  but it's just so cost prohibitive. Um, you know,   and when your option is surgery, gastric bypass,  which has a high failure rate, you know, all of   those things. Yeah. if you feel bad for people who  um yeah would like that option. The other thing is   is um you know we don't address board members but  I am going to address the um pharmacy. So we did   initially really start looking into that and we  put a little team together with city council and   I remember just straight away um it was more than  just prescription and by sheer volume we see what   we you know this can't be a one-site place right  and and

048then it was finding a brickandmortar so   there is more to it if you if you investigate  it again I know it's a it's a huge undertaking   Um, and Chesapeake does not have consolidated  benefits, right? They do not. Okay. So, we're   talking about a school division that's half our  size, half Yeah. half the employees. So, that's   why it's a a lot more manageable for for them. I  know in theory it sounds great. It's just it's a   it's a huge thing. And they are self-insured.  So, just because they have an on-site pharmacy   doesn't mean the drugs cost less. Okay. um it they  may or may not the experience when I was looking   at the difference in the drugs is some drugs  were less expensive some were more expensive   and then specialty drugs they don't dispense  some specialty

049drugs so you would have to get   them from a specialty pharmacy which is some of  these high cost um the way they set their co-pays   would be no different than us being able to set  a co-pay on our plan that's lower okay Um I don't   know what their total um pharmacy costs are for  their you know for the percentage of their total   um how that compares to what the percentage of our  total is. Okay. They do, you know, have they also   incorporated an on-site clinic. Um, they have,  yeah, that they don't offer a consumer-driven   health plan with the health savings account.  And those in our plan would not be eligible   for something like that because you can't have  first dollar coverage from another health source   um, other than your consumer-driven health plan  and your HSA.

050Okay. We do live somewhere between   theory and reality with so many things that we do  and this is this just happens to be one of them.   Thank you. Thank you. Um I have a question for Dr.  Robertson related uh to all of this. So there was   a presentation um about previously the potential  infusion of five or $10 million. Um when um do   you anticipate that we're going to be having that  discussion again? So the first $5.8 million um the   board put into the reversion resolution which  the city council will take action on November   18th. Uh if the city council approves a reversion  uh resolution as presented, then we would come to   the board and ask the board to take that action  on the $5.8 million at that time. At that point,   I think it would

051be a a prudent to perhaps wait  until 2025 is completely over and the February   data that we get that'll really show us where we  are. Maybe we don't need to put $5 million in.   Maybe we only need to put $3 million in. I think  we wait until February to make that request. So,   that would be the timeline to get to go back in  and rebuild the health fund balance. Okay. Thank   you for that. Um, and you know, I I just want  to bring that up. um as there is some historical   uh things that have happened not with this  board and these people sitting here but   um in 1996 uh related to budgets and so we can't  be in a deficit um and so I would just ask that   um perhaps uh if that comes back

052in February  that you know we have a conversation about which   things weren't spent to make those allocations  um happen. Um that would just be my request, Miss   Milnik. And I think it's important to note for  the public that infusing that 5.8 million is not   going to change the employees contributions. And  that's the saddest part about this conversation.   It sounds like, you know, it's going to help  some way and it it'll help our bottom line,   but it's not going to help the employees  at all. So that's a tough pill to swallow.   All right. Well, I don't see any more  questions at this time, so thank you. And we   um will now have a facilities update. And  we welcome Jack Freeman, chief operations   officer, and Melissa Ingram, executive  director, Office of Facility Services. Um so, good afternoon,

053Chair Brown, Vice Chair  Williams, members of the board, and Dr. Robertson.   uh as executive director of facility services. I  am looking forward to discussing with you today   a facilities update prior to this this upcoming  budget season. We'll start today's presentation   looking at our maintenance projects, capital  improvements that keep our schools running safely   and efficiently. These projects impact building  systems such as HVAC, roofs, and foundations. our   first tier building system that we've spoken with  you about in most detail over the past few years   along with fire alarms, windows, and uh doors and  uh turf field installations and accessibility for   athletic fields or ADA compliance. Next,  we'll shift to new construction projects,   tricampus additions, and the Princess High  School replacement project. And finally,   we'll look at funding as we are preparing for  the upcoming budget season for

054fiscal year 2627. So on this first slide, we'll take a look at  our roofing systems. Starting with good news,   completed roof replacement projects. We've done  a tremendous amount of work over the past four   years, completing about a dozen re-roofing  projects across our schools. Most of these   projects are multi-phased lasting about two years  with the majority of work occurring in the summer   months. As you can see at the bottom of the list,  our last two re-roofing projects have completed   phase one construction this last summer with phase  2 work scheduled to pick back up next summer 2026. So the next slide on roofing  highlights roofing work to come.   Starting with our phase 2 projects from  the previously previous completed list   uh with re-roofing projects listed above the  red line to be started over the next two years  

055and below the red line are projects we are  evaluating for future years. Overall, we're   continuing steady progress in addressing priority  roofing needs. And with funding provided, we are   working to catch up to our deferred replacement  unsatisfactory needs. With almost a third of the   roofs on this list being in fair condition, as our  buildings get older, their condition can change.   Our maintenance teams regularly update these  lists and focus on preventative maintenance to   reduce roof areas in unsatisfactory conditions  or at high risk of failure across our schools. We'll now take another look back over the last  four years, this time with our HVAC projects and   again the progress we are making on deferred  replacements with funding provided. This list   comprises almost two dozen HVAC projects completed  over the last four years. With HVAC systems being   complicated, only

056the parts of each HVAC system  that truly need replacement are prioritized   while extending the life of other HVAC system  components whenever possible. In many cases,   keeping systems running nearly twice as long as  their expected lifespan. As you can see from the   list from boilers, chillers, rooftop units  abbreviated RTU and many others. You'll see   this completion list varies in which portions  of the system replacements were needed. Some   schools on this list have required almost the  entire HVAC system to be replaced, such as at   Cook Elementary School shown at the end of the  list with phase one completed this last summer.   We're also adding HVAC to kitchens, listed second  to last in the list above Cook, where none existed   before, improving efficiency and working to meet  occupational and safety and health standards,   with now only 18 kitchens

057operating without  HVAC, down from 24 kitchens four years ago. So this next list in front of you now shows  that there's still work to be done on our   HVAC systems with temperature and humidity control  important in maintaining healthy and safe learning   environments. Continuing with Cook Elementary,  which is now at the top of the list for phase 2   construction to be done this coming summer 2026.  This chart shows the projects above the red line   that are scheduled to begin construction over the  next two years. For systems below the red line, we   are carefully evaluating and scoping projects to  replace only what's absolutely necessary, just as   prioritizations were made with projects above the  red line and those on the completed projects list.   Reviewing this list, you can see that all of these  systems are in unsatisfactory condition,

058meaning   hard to maintain and at high risk of failure. But  through phased work and strategic planning, we're   making steady progress in addressing HVAC needs  across our schools. We're also continuing to add   HVAC to kitchens that are without, as you can see  from the red arrows, with six in planning over the   next two years or above the red line, and over 10  being evaluated on this list in total, planning to   bring our kitchens without HVAC down to 12 in the  next several years from 24 just four years ago. So now looking at the last of our top three  building system that we have been uh sharing   with you over the years are foundations. These are  nearly complete. Bayside Middle School is on track   to wrap up by summer 2026 while Chemville Middle  moves into phase two

059of three next summer. Holland   Road annex is in the design phase and planned,  but all related work is paused at this location   until we are more certain of the needs related  to Princess Anne High School replacement project. Now looking at fire alarm replacement  projects, also critical to keeping our   buildings and students safe. Above the  red line, you can see projects completed   and those we'll tackle in the next two  years. Below the red line, systems are   still in unsatisfactory condition and are being  carefully evaluated, monitored, and planned for. Our next list, windows and exterior doors,  also keep our building envelopes, air quality,   and humidity intact, much like our HVAC and roof  systems do. Replacements of these systems also   take time, not just for planning and funding, but  because environmental assessments are required   for integral materials such

060as caulking. Above  the red line are those schools we are working   to address in the next two years. All at  various stages of evaluation. We continue   to identify needs and monitor those below the  red line along with our other building systems. Now looking at turf field installations, only  three high schools remain without turf fields   with Tallwood High School, which we looked at when  we spoke about uh Turfields last year in terms of   drainage issues, completed this last summer,  2025. Lancetown High School is scheduled to be   replaced next summer in 2026, which you will see  on an agenda item in the near future. and Cox High   School to be installed in summer of 2027. We are  planning for the final school, Princess Anne High   School, to get new turf installed with the school  replacement project. As

061we also discussed with you   last year, once all schools have turf installed,  we'll plan an average of one returf per year,   averaging $900,000 annually with fields continuing  to be monitored for safety and longevity. And accessibility is also a top priority for our  school division. All high school athletic fields   are now ADA compliant thanks to collaboration with  school leadership. athletics and our parks and   recreation teams at the middle school level.  Brandon Middle School and Corporate Landing   Middle School are fully addressed and we're  currently constructing accessible sidewalks,   bleacher pads, and portable restroom pads  at Salem Middle School and Bayside Middle   School. Remaining schools on this list are being  evaluated with needed improvements planned over   the next three years, making sure students  and visitors can safely access our fields. So now shifting from maintenance uh to  new construction

062projects. Uh in front   of you here is Triampus additions and  we are making strong projects process   on this project. Design is continuing.  Bidding is planned for late winter 2026,   just a couple months away, with  construction to begin in summer of 2026. This slide shows the same information  shared at our last briefing to you   with no significant changes from  what was previously presented. We've been discussing Princess Anne High School  replacement project with the board for several   years now. Most recently over this summer as  updates from the superintendent CIP working group   were given in which moving forward Princess Anne  High School replacement project was a large focus.   This slide reflects the same information shared  during the last CIP update presented to you. To   keep the Princess High School replacement project  moving forward, Miss Lenetti recently addressed   procurement

063options as recommended by the city  with the policy review committee in October. And so, um, as I mentioned in our first  slide, again, we're here to you today   with the objecting of sharing this update in  preparation for the upcoming budget season.   You can see on this slide uh the current year's  approved fiscal year 2425 CIP funding sources.   Over the past year, we've collaborated through Dr.  Robertson CIP working group with school division   members and city leadership most recently at the  joint modernization committee meeting in October.   You can see on this table in year one and  above the total line that the school special   reserve fund was increased to $20.5 million.  And later this month, the school division's   reserve re reversion request goes to city  council, which will include funding for next   year's special reserve fund of

064$10 million and  additional reversion funding not shown on this   list with the objective of of continuing  to increase cash contributions to the CIP.   We look forward to continue working with city  staff on CIP funding and continuing to work   together on joint needs of our schools  and the community. And so this concludes   uh my presentation tonight, but I'm happy to  take any questions you might have. Dr. Green,   thank you and thank you for your presentation.  Um my question is would is just confirmation that   um what I am thinking the process is in place  for the tri campus. Frequently when I'm out and   about in the community, I get questions about  um do those numbers reflect uh enrollment? What   happens if we all of a sudden have a major boom  or or growth with students? and and

065I have been   assuring the community that, you know, we have a  specialized department with demographers and that   um that information is being monitored um because  we certainly will not have trailers out there.   Um so could you address a little bit again how  we're monitoring the enrollment trends um in u   that community in my district in district 4 with  uh New Town and uh the collapsing of Betty F.   Williams and Diamond Springs. Absolutely. Thank  you, Dr. Green. Yes, we um we have just recently   received September 30 data and are monitoring all  three schools and their membership. Um everything   is on track right now. We definitely as we looked  at the number of classrooms needed in the in the   additions at each of the two schools, Diamond  Springs and U10 Elementary School did apply a   planning factor

066to that as well in case there  was slight growth. We also have room there for   preKVPI and ECSSE classrooms. So in the case  um something needs to move around, we do have   contingency plans there. However, all the data  is tracking this current year and we expect   uh that the additions will be uh satisfactory to  what enrollment trends are showing. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Um, so I was happy  to see on hold uh the Holland Road Index,   the foundation is the re-roofing also on hold  as well. Yes, ma'am. So, we have um put on hold,   we had quite a bit of designs done during  the PPA and then somes where we're trying to   continue on for interest of time and then also  um possible use such as like our gym floors by   other schools.

067However, we've put everything for  Holland Road annex on hold until we get further   um direction and understanding of what Princess  High School replacement project might need. Okay.   Thank you. Um how long can that feasibly be on  hold for before I mean before it becomes too   problematic and it's a bigger challenge to deal  with? Um how long can we hang on? Uh so we'll work   at the discretion of the board. Uh the foundation  repairs probably will take the longest. We've   done the other schools in three phases. We know of  problematic areas that we would probably do first.   And the fact that it's an unoccupied building,  hopefully we'd be able to speed things up. Um if   we would got to be a crunch time, if that's your  question. So if we all of a sudden said, "Okay,  

068we're definitely a go." We would certainly work  with our contractors to speed up um whatever is it   is that we could speed up. and the fact that the  building is unoccupied could could greatly help us   um in terms of getting work done quicker than it  would at a school building that's fully occupied   by students. Right. I'm I'm actually um so my  concern my bigger concern is we're talking about   foundation issues and re-roofing and sometimes  if you don't deal with those um they become   much more expensive problems to deal with in  the future. And so I'm I'm curious, you know,   are we talking if we put it off six months or  a year, it's not a huge deal, but if we do it   longer than that, it becomes twice as much money.  Um what what timeline

069are we looking at there? So,   thank you for the clarification. We're monitoring  um constantly uh you know, we do have people just   for use of the building uh using the building um  both outside community members and others. So we   monitor the buildings um with our maintenance  team and our inspectors. So definitely a year   I I would not see any issue in a year time frame  um with upkeeping and if we had to do something um   in the interim prior to any replacements we would  be able to try to to address that. Okay. And then   um I see that we did nearly uh 3.4 million in  the rooftop units for that same facility. Um,   this is gonna sound a little silly, but it's new.  Um, so say we were to do something different with   that annex.

070Is that unit any portion of that still  usable somewhere else? So then great memory. So   that was we needed those when we had the school  administration building being done and we had to   move over our admin team to Holland Road annex.  Um, as we do with all of our buildings, we did it   with Alaskan Road Annex. We're looking at Bayside  6 now. We would certainly have the first right of   refusal for any contractors and see what would be  cost-effective in terms of reusing anything from   our school buildings that maintenance might need.  Um, and you hit the nail on the head. I think   there systems would really be looked at as well.  Okay. So, there is a possibility that we can still   um benefit from that system more even if something  different were to occur. Sure.

071If we would use the   whole thing, there would be a cost to remove it.  But I certainly uh we are very aware what's in   our facilities and anything that um has a similar  asset and another building we would try to recoup   at the very least parts um and components from.  Okay. And then I have one more question then   Melnik. So it looks like the cost of these um  repairs that are on hold, these maintenance   projects are 5.2 2 million. Um, and it's estimated  that the swing space um has a cost here. Um,   does that cost include those or is that over  and above uh that that swing space cost? So,   the swing space cost is also for the special  education center wing, but the cost does   uh consider those type of improvements in them.  Yes,

072ma'am. question. I was asking if the uh   re-roofing and foundation was in the cost proposal  for the swing space at the annex. Oh yeah,   that that was going to be my question too because  initially it was with the PPA, right? Yes. So,   Miss Melick. Okay. I'm good now. Okay. Vice Chair  Williams. Yes. I every time we get these like,   you know, it's it's shocking how expensive it is  to put HVAC in a roof, you know? I mean, it's just   very eyeopening to to add all those numbers up,  which I think that a lot of people forget about   all of our maintenance um you know, work. So,  I appreciate y'all being diligent on that. So,   um so just like on slide four, the renovations  and replacements. So there was a group done in   year one and

073then every single one under that  line they're all going to be done in year two.   They're not in an order necessarily or are they?  Um they're main above the year two mark. So the   year the red line on slide four um that above  that is what we're hoping to start by year two.   Okay. And they're mostly in order but that it just  depends what prices come in at too and how quickly   um we can get things going. So um okay so above  everything and then we just get to the others.   Now when we get to the others is it because I see  a fair I see satisfactory I see unsatisfactory   then I see a fair slash unsatisfactory. So, so  I would just think that the fair unsatisfactory   would not be in as bad of shape

074or on your little  metrics as as the unsatisfactory. Is is that not a   That's a great observation. So, right below the  red line there, um Brandon Middle School, you   see it says consider HVAC. So the roof itself um  there are portions of it in fair and portions in   unsatisfactory. We have an HVAC project. Whenever  you have a lot of construction and work going on   in a roof, it definitely impacts it as well. So we  try to do them in tandem when possible. However,   we're trying to do the HVAC project in a way  where we will preserve a lot of our roofs. So,   we're our hope is that the roof on Brandon Middle  School will be deferred and we have over 120 units   um at Brandon Middle School to replace, but we'll  do it in a

075way where it will preserve the roof   as much as possible so that we can defer that  roof because there are portions that are fair   on it. Um so, we it's nothing doesn't touch one  another and that's also a lot of the part of our   prioritization as well. So, all right. Well, that  that makes great sense because when I looked at   this, I'm like, I would have shifted it a little  bit, but so I wanted to see exactly why. Okay,   great. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Okay,  thank you. That's all the questions we have. Um,   Miss Lenetti, I just want to confirm we do not  have a close session. Correct. I will tell you   I'm speaking with outside counsel right now. I  think not, but we're trying to verify whether   we need to ask

076about settlement authority. So, I  just let claims come in the last couple minutes.   If I did, I would do it at the end of the school  board meeting. Okay. Thank you. All right. Well,   with that, we are going to adjourn to recess  and reconvene at 6 PM for our formal meeting.

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