11/24/2025 School Board Meeting

001Did they open? >> It was like 98. >> Oh, it was that bad. I started listening to it. I didn't follow [snorts] >> [cough] [snorts] [clears throat] >> We running there, Miss Ka. >> We are. Okay. >> Thank you. >> [snorts] >> All right, we're on the [clears throat] 6 p.m. So, I'd like to call the school district uh board meeting for the school district to order. Uh Scott, Mr. Lingerfeld, I haven't heard anything from him uh this time either, so he's the only absent member at this time. Uh next up is our board financial audit. I had uh Miss [clears throat] Newman pull three uh invoices. One for Oakidge Chemical, which was a floor scrubber. Uh one was for Squires and Wallsburgger. Uh there are attorney um and one for Blaine Brothers who who

002does a mechanic work. Um all three just just random. Um, everything was in order, signed the way they're supposed to be signed, and uh, very detailed and everything everything was good there. So, nothing nothing out of nothing out of place. >> And, um, I looked over everything and [clears throat] the preciseness and the the the way that everything is, you know, exactly who [clears throat] did it, what it was for is really nice because before it would just be hardly anything. Um, so I and I I asked on um it was a student that uh is in the youth apprentice or youth is it youth apprentice, right? Um you know because I thought scrubs and I go okay well and then I forgot that they they get a fun grant and things like that. So

003they get up to $500 um to purchase equipment supplies, you know, things of that sort. So, um, clothing for their job. But again, uh, I told Deb that, uh, the the piece of it being so welllaid out and telling us exactly what it was for is very nice. And I said she does a good job and she's fabulous. That's was my answer, my my discussion with Deb today. So, everything was good. All right. Um, next up is our board election deadlines. And deadline for incumbent incumbents is uh by December 26th by 5:00 pm and candidate deadlines for filing to be on ballot is for January 6th. [snorts] >> Okay. >> And could you refresh my memory? Is it you and Steve that are on >> Steve and I are up >> that are okay. >>

004We're next year. Yep. >> Mhm. Yes. All right. WSB board 2026 legislative agenda. >> Is there anything in particular that this is >> No, I just wanted to make sure that you guys were aware that this was approved by the WSB board. Um so next month we will ask for a delegate to be approved. Um but this is the agenda that was approved by the board of directors for WSB. So, if you get a chance, you can see some of the discussion points that [clears throat] they were there and then also think about those of you that are going to the convention if you would like to be the delegate that represents our district. [snorts] >> All right. So, next up, uh I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. [clears throat] >> Is that

005made by Jod? >> Yeah. Motion made by Jody. Do I have a second? >> Second. Second by Derek. Any further discussion? Okay. None. All those in favor say I. I. Post say no. Next up is our open forum area. Any community members for that? All right. Next up is our consent agenda. We have items A through U that are in front of us. Are there any items on the agenda that anybody would like to hold or have further discussion? >> I would like to have further discussion on Tool Areas proposal. >> Okay. So T is uh when I got here, we had a contract with NAMI, North American Mechanical, and I couldn't have been more disappointed in what they offered. Uh it was the same company, too, that was in charge of our rooftop units

006um when our SPE unit started on fire. So I don't know how long we dealt with straight line winds and then a fire within 3, four months. Uh we had a rolling contract and we finally got out of it. Um I got to um Cool Air won the bid for market and Johnson with the CTE project when I first was hired and from a standpoint of the comparables. I I'll do it this way. when you look at uh the maintenance. So this is the yearly maintenance and the cost is pretty comparable [clears throat] except cool air now comes out four times where uh north nanny would come out two times. In addition to that um after the prevented maintenance which is basically they replace uh filters and go through each one of our units. They

007would send us a bill of about 25 grand to say you need to fix this, this, this, and this. And quite honestly, it was loaded and we knew that because I had comparables done by Cool Air and some other people that I know in the industry and we just got done. Um, so we put it kind of out and I wanted I signed a cont or this contract is for one year uh cuz I want to see how they do preventative maintenance and they were just out uh roughly two weeks ago and their list is also um where it's three grand and I don't think they're price gouging. They're honest. Um I know the one of the main guys um cuz his I worked with him this the summer that I came or was hired

008>> [snorts] >> um and his kids are new Richmond. So I got to know him and um got to know the company and it is by far much better and so this is just a trial but so far so good. It's been a really good experience in terms of the prevented maintenance program. >> Yeah. I guess um the question I had about it is they are in Ham Lake, Minnesota, which is roughly an hour away, and I wasn't sure, did we follow a bidding process for this work? >> Not for internal. for this one? No, because the um the contract was up at the end of last year and then for this year, I didn't want to go through a full um process because we were running into preventative maintenance timeline before winter started. So,

009for me, I went with cool air because I want to see how they um basically I mean, we've worked with them. Obviously, you've seen cool air, but as far as an overall bidding, no. But that's the reason I signed a one year or bringing to you guys a one year to see how does it go, then we'll open it up fully for next year. >> Okay. I just think Yeah. I mean, it is 30,000. Um, and so anytime we're spending probably over a threshold that you're approved for, which I think we like five five or 10,000 >> 10,000, >> I think we should follow that bidding process. I do have concerns that if we're not following that, any audits or um other perceptions could could start to, you know, occur. And so that that's my

010own feedback on that. >> No, and and it truly came down to timing um of because of Ryan's exit and Tim's entry um getting some of this in place for this coming year. Um, in terms of even Nami, Nanny's out of middle Wisconsin and their closest person actually just moved to Leva, so it was still roughly an hour and a half drive wherever they were, which was Wasau some in that area. But to your point, yes, we did not follow that official one. Uh but in the same regard, um that's where we've been trying to take every single contract that we have in our district and try to put it in that document I've shown you um to see where we at, how how many years do we have with certain companies and then what

011it looks like. But >> yeah, no, and I know a struggle, right, with with Ryan's departure and and uh and some of those handoffs and we've had good luck with this company for sure. they see them to do good work, but the same time we've got really good companies in the area and it's always good to support those companies too if if they're fitting for the work. [clears throat] >> When we when would we look at doing the bidding process? >> Uh that would be more of a spring spring summer type of thing for next year. uh as we because we're going to be starting building a budget this December which is very shortly um got to get through the first of year with W2s and so forth but we're starting especially with buying a

012budget already determined we can actually get ahead of the game a little bit. You're going to hear me talk later tonight about compensation because I hope to actually get ahead of that. uh we not only have to look towards the whole compensation system but again with banal done uh we're going to be sitting in better not guessing. >> All right. Is there any other clarifications or discussions by anybody? I was just wondering on the co-curricular handbook is there an update to that or why are we doing that now? Isn't that the same as >> there wasn't? Oh, >> so um >> it >> was put out to parents though. We all seen this >> the athletic handbook. >> Yeah. >> So the history behind this is this was something that Marcy was working on um

013because we ran into situations where Mr. Score um does the athletic handbook and that's what you guys approved in August. we were having issues with individuals that were in co-curricular my first year >> activities >> because whether it's yearbook uh whether it's FFA that type of thing and where I came from uh we had a it [clears throat] was a mixture and if you look at you know Mr. scores official title per se. You know, the co-curricular is also in there. So, Marcy was working on a co-curricular and it never got finished. So, um Richie u Mr. Nar just picked up the pieces uh with Mr. Paco and myself and we've been meeting this fall because when you think about the standard set for athletics, these kids are held to a higher standard. If you

014look at some of these other activities, whether it's um you know any co-curricular such as DECA um you look at uh year or yearbook um they're not held to that higher standard. So we want something to hold them to that standard and making sure that they you know if they do something that goes against a school rule um they're held accountable for that. So this actually is a creation from uh scratch. It did. A lot of it came from the athletic handbook, but there was language changes uh through a subcommittee and then Mr. Nares, Mr. Popco, and myself uh finished it off. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Any others? >> I would like to point out uh since she's sitting here, thanks to Dr. Curtis making a generous donation to our angel [clears

015throat] fund. Okay. Anything else? All right. I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> So moved. >> Motion made by Chuck. Do I have a second? >> Second by Derek. [snorts] Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. >> I. Say no. Motion carried. That is our uh state report card. >> So, um I asked the administrative team not to create any reports because I wanted to spend some time um going over the state report card which was released on the 6th of November. Um lots of uh documents in there with details. Now we will be having a uh work session where we will dive into not only the report card but our district data as a whole. This is just one piece of the puzzle. This is

016not the end all be all and I wanted to have a discussion with the administrators here in terms of where we're at and the things and steps that we're doing. I want to bring your attention and I'll just pull up the documents that you're looking at. One of the things that I'm accustomed to doing um every year since I've been a superintendent is I go back and you can see the data. And I know it's small, so you're going to have to pull it up on yours, but if you look at the inception of the report card, you can see the data for Glenwood City. Um I want to pay particular attention to this bottom um column or row, excuse me. One of the issues that I have always had with the report card, um,

017I really have always, uh, been a proponent of the accountability. I think it puts schools on notice in terms of holding [clears throat] them accountable for a variety of reasons. It's a data point, and I look at it as a three-legged stool. You have local data, you have state data, and then you have your data. When I say local, we're talking fast. And then the third school is is what classroom teachers should be doing in terms of assessing as they exit the classroom. You know, it's informal data um or assessment. Um this bottom row is the number. There's notes in there. And I think anybody that enjoys data um understands that when you are constantly changing the formula, it's very hard to take trend data and compare it year after year. And so I would

018caution you in terms of you know when you look at a report card and you guys know um whether you're a parent or whether a board member this thing has changed numerous times. It used to be this um outlined in Wisconsin and there was a number and then there was a star system. Um and again I'm all about changing um making sure that things are more efficient. But if you look at um whether it's a parent, most people they focus right here in this score summary. They look at this number, they look at the stars and that's all they look at. And it's very difficult to take um that information and really um understand where you are as a district. So what I've done over and I pulled from my years past is each one

019of these notes is basically what changed on the report card. And when you look at that um the the year I mean there was years where there was no change but then there's co there was no report card based on different things. There was change over from governor Marys to the current DBI superintendent. So again, I just wanted to make sure you um are cautioned in terms of some of those data points and going directly to uh the part right here where it's the overall score and the exceeds expectations, meets expectations, etc. Now, that doesn't diminish the fact that this is a report card that is given to every school, public school within the state of Wisconsin. And from that standpoint, that is also another um I would say uh argumentative point because the private

020schools in Wisconsin are not held to this standard. And as we see more and more privatization of education, that's always been a sticking point. Um at least we've talked about as superintendants. Um when you come back to the overall trend data, you're going to see a variety of pieces of information including um you know students with disabilities, economically disadvantaged um and again some of the categories have changed, some of the waiting has changed and so on. Uh with that said, that's outlined though both in the the district report card, the high school report card, the middle school report card, the elementary report card, and then I also have always tracked ACT data. And so you'll see again um quite a bit of and I'm having trouble as Derek knows. Um Derek and I were emailing

021this weekend. My Adobe software is not saving things the way it should and I just caught this one right here. So um that's on my end. But overall if you look at the trend data to say where we are at and where are we um in terms of current data. So I want to go back to um this part where these are the report cards in general and we have spent some time as an admin team going through you know what this data is how does it um scored what is um areas of focus um when we come to improvement plans um so there's going to be there used to be actually only two report there would be a report card a detailed and then a kind of a shorter version, you're going to see

022the detailed version and there's a lot of data that's here and again it's good because it's quality data in terms of the uh forward test um and then it leads into the ACT. So again, I don't want to disin disinish the report card itself because if you look at our overall score, which I included in our presentation for our PLLD today with staff um if you look at this um [clears throat] 71.2 uh we exceed expectation as a district. So that's four out of five. If you look at um the high school um excuse me, [clears throat] you look at the high school, we're at 76.3, which is exceeds expectation. If you look at the middle school, we're at 77.8, which exceeds expectations. And at the elementary, we're at 56, uh which meets few expectations.

023And in the line you'll see um I compared it to the state which means we are 50% better um than 58% of the schools within the state and so on. Um there's a lot to celebrate here in terms of if you look at that overall score especially at our middle school high school. Um but again it's one data point and then we'll use some of the other assessments that we have to make some better changes to the curriculum that were here. Um you know when we hired our interim principal um Dr. Curtis, this is right up her wheelhouse. And so, um, Jamie and Sue and myself are sitting down having meetings and looking at what these are from a gened standpoint. And then Aaron's part of the the special ed component. Couple things that I

024want to uh point out in terms of the overall report card. You can go in and you can look at it. Is there any questions on the overall format or the data itself? We haven't really dove into it. Uh we will as as our admin team meets and kind of goes what some of these scores mean. Um I do want to talk um about the elementary. Obviously, you know, it can be seen that we struggle. Um Jamie walked into a pretty um difficult position in the elementary and one of the things that I talked about in our report card presentation. [clears throat] Um we didn't go into a lot of details. I just presented this to the staff. But if you look at the overall when I first was hired, um there was three components

025that 75% of the staff talked to me about as far as you're the new superintendent. Here's the the issues that have come up and the um existing board members have heard this before. The new board members so much. Um the first one was student behavior. And student behavior was a big issue. Um, not only were they disrupting the overall flow of what we were trying to accomplish on a daily basis, uh, 97 98% of our students make the right choice, but the 2% basically take up majority of the time and we didn't have good process and procedures, which has been kind of a common theme. [clears throat] Um, middle school, high school, the same thing. And when you look at the work, and I'll get to the elementary uh the work that has been done,

026um pretty substantial in such a short amount of time. [clears throat] The number two thing was staff accountability. And I think once again, um our job as admin is to make sure number one, there's an evaluation process, which we've done the 10-minute evaluation walkthroughs, um but also understanding DPI is making some major changes with the EE process. Um staff accountability um as you know we have gone through some staff members that are no longer here um and again that high accountability I think is one of the reasons why the third uh uh point that was is just more so on my end where followth through if you say you're going to do it please do it staff professionalism >> [clears throat] >> um you know those things kind of go hand in hand trust um

027transparency, all those things that we've been talking about. When you go back to where we are, there's certainly a lot of I would say celebration if you took only the scores of the high school middle school. um taken into account, I think at the high school level especially, we have a pretty advanced um ACT prep process here that I think makes a major difference. U Mr. Paco um and from a SPE standpoint, Miss Spuner and [clears throat] all the high school teachers, the prep process is actually one of the more robust that I've seen in my career um and the schools that I came from. Now, does that mean it's a that's the difference maker? No. I think uh we would all agree that when you see scores like this, I will throw this caveat

028out there, too. A year ago, we were talking about [clears throat] how the DPI changed the cut score. And in my career, the cut score has been changed on a number of uh different um major assessments, including the star. We used to have a U program that we've used in the past and even at the federal level, they've taken the cut score and they've adjusted it. DVI took a lot of heat last summer uh the previous summer and then last fall because they changed the cut score. Uh Mr. Ple was part of that group that went down to the state and then had those conversations and what you saw was basically most districts made a jump up. The other thing that I will say is in my previous district uh we were consistently in the

029top 10% of state schools and one of the schools particularly it was a five-star school one of our elementaryaries and the next year it dropped to a three star in one year and one thing you'll see in the data points is is how many years of data collection is taken into account when it comes to the formula. So again, I I think there's you you can't get too high and you can't take uh get too low. And we that's kind of my message to our admin team, to our staff that we absolutely should celebrate because there's a lot of good things because in the end we're being compared to other schools and this is where we're at. But in the same regard, when cut scores are changed, when formulas are adjusted, it doesn't give you

030a true representation from year to year. With that said, um I'll go back to the elementary. I think all of us would agree that this is not acceptable. The number is not where it should be. Um but I think the more um prevalent discussion tonight would be this action plan. If you think of the things that have taken place in the elementary and more so um what Miss Schaefer has brought to our district, this is the reason she was hired. Um you again are looking at a very comprehensive [clears throat] list and we all know that from a data standpoint, yeah, you it's going to take some time to implement that. >> [snorts] >> Um, case in point is is that Miss Schaefer has fourth grade teachers teaching second grade material in fourth grade. Now,

031again, that's not a representation of her leadership. Unfortunately, that is a byproduct of things that she walked into. And I want to make it very clear that when you look at this plan, there's quite a few things that need to be addressed um or have been addressed and will continue to be addressed and it's going to take some time. So, we can't jump to conclusions in terms of and say our elementary is not [clears throat] um successful because I think if you walk through there, you'll see all the things that I see on a daily basis. Um, the other thing I pointed out to the staff today was when you think about my two years here, um, there's a lot of great things that happened prior to me. My son's a senior engineering student in

032Madison and he didn't get there without our staff. And so again, um I don't want to dis diminish the fact that we have had so many success stories coming out of our district. I think one thing that we can agree upon is is the process and procedures has not been consistent and that's the part that a lot of our work is being done. If you look at Jamie's list in terms of her accomplishments and things that she's implemented at the elementary level, um it's not going to happen to women. It's going to take some time. [clears throat] Not only from, you know, some of the changes we've made from professional development. It's not going to We had what three maybe um half days for professional development prior and then we made the change to a

033full day PL. And if you would come and see the work that's done in our PLC's, the documentation, the discussions, the data that's being looked at, um it's night and day. It truly is and I think any of us that have had to implement a improvement plan of any degree would understand it's going to take some time to get that. But I not only do I believe we have the right um principle and again if I could keep Sue for years and years and years I would um but I really want to see her enjoy her retirement at some point um because she has helped me out in many ways over the years. Um, we also have great staff and we do um [clears throat] I think there is individuals that are no longer here

034for good reason. Um, because they weren't part of that overall process for us to make improvements. If you look at [clears throat] the bottom of this sheet, you could see that um other things that we're working on in terms of especially from Jamie and Aaron in terms of SPE, in terms of GED, um there's things that we need to make some changes in terms of our process and procedures. So, um, I think one of the things that I'm pleased with as far as this admin team and our staff, we're all solution based and that's what it really comes down to. So, for me, yeah, there's a great amount of pride in terms of, you know, when you see certain scores of the report card, but it also is we're not going to get too high

035and we're not going to get too low because there's a whole story behind it. Any questions on any of these documents that are there? >> So, I know they're all kind of state comparisons, right? So, when we do our workshop, do we ever compare across the conference to see, you know, maybe a little bit more regionally to get an idea, you know, of those trends, if the if the rates are shifting or if the metrics are shifting to see how it's affecting our area as a whole, >> we'll have that actually Mr. Popco has already done that to the state level. Um but then we'll break it down into conference. We'll break it down into into regional data. Um >> I've seen it done as a conference and in our CISA. Okay. And so the

036public, you know, everybody just got access to this because they go through a process where it's behind safe. Um and then you look at the data, but then there's tweaks and adjustments. So this is really fresh data uh that we haven't had time. But when we have that work session, we're going to be able to see, but you also see our forward data. So again, if you look at a three-legged stool, we have our um fast bridge data, which is our local assessment, that's what Miss Schaefer and Dr. Curtis use to put people in their wind groups and put people um in terms of small group instruction and staff use it to make some um educated decision on what student needs. Um, you also have the state assessment which is FAT or excuse me a

037forward test and ACT. And then you have that local piece in terms of every single day staff um are making assessments whether it's a checkout sheet, whether it's um a test that you guys remember taking. Um there's a variety of ways to do that. And when you look at that three-legged stool, you're going to be making a better sound decision. So yes, when we have that work session, you'll be able to see more comparables. >> Um, [clears throat] you know, I I think our biggest job here is to make sure that you have what you need to accomplish these. Um and I [clears throat] I I just want to reiterate that that we need to make sure that that is happening when the you know uh curriculum or staffing and we've done these things before

038but um you know we can't do our jobs if we don't know what is needed. So when when we when we know what's needed it's you know it's it's helpful. You know I I just just wanted to make sure that you know that that that is clear. Um >> I think Chuck one of the things that is difficult is you know Sue comes from it. I know Jamie comes from it. You know we have a interventionist and I believe that you know Laura was one of the first interventionists here in Glwood City. Um I come from a coaching model where I mean those coaches make a a big difference. And when it comes to staffing, we've had to really we've had to make some adjustments because we didn't have a CT teacher, etc. Um, I

039do think there are some things that we'll be discussing in terms of staffing, in terms of mentorship, in terms of what can we do. Um, we don't have the same resources, in terms of some of the bigger schools. Um, it's just a fact. But, uh, we're also in a situations where we don't have a curriculum director. I'm the curriculum director. Um, but we have pieces that are in those. I didn't want to make Jamie and put her in that role, which is what she came from, because she's got a big enough job trying to turn the elementary around. But again, I think when you look at this overall plan, um I'm very very pleased in terms of the things that I've seen that are just general things and that should have been in place and

040they weren't. Um, we're talking fundamentals. And again, I I don't want to say it in a decisive way, but again, if you're fourth grade teachers are teaching second grade level curriculum, that is a gap that has been going on for some time. And that's where we are having to come up with some pretty [clears throat] extreme ways because time is not on our side. We can't go back and say, "Oh, we get a redo." Research will tell you, you know, you don't hold students back. That it's not successful. Research will tell you in terms of even the state report card at one time spent so much of your score was based on uh the gap. Our gap is huge. And again, it was things that were in place or I shouldn't say lack of things

041that were in place to get us to that point. And I think Jamie's getting us back to the fundamental pieces whether it's you fly and some of the things that she's talked about from a curriculum standpoint at the high school, middle school, high school level, same thing. Uh Sue is just collecting like who does what. When I took the job three years ago, um, business, there was literally nothing and we had to build it from scratch. And we're right now saying, well, what do you teach and what do you use? And there's no systematic way um or a systematic approach to our curriculum. It was just hodge podge. So again, it's it's going to take time. It's taking much more time than I thought when I took this job, but I think we have the

042right people in the right spots to be able to make these jumps. So, um, again, you're going to be hearing about some, I would say, [clears throat] uh, more extreme ways to try to make up that gap that aren't typical in a lot of districts because our these kids deserve it. And so we're going to be talking on ways to be solutionbased and say, "Okay, here's the ham that we're dealt. What can we do?" And that's what we're going to go with it. >> M. Schaefer, I know Patrick had me met me uh mentioned discipline being a a big thing. Um, and I know your first year you don't really want to you got to get your feet and and and I know you were going to focus on discipline last year. Have you seen

043that success you've had last year with that carry over into this year? Is it is that still part of the the process? I'm sure it's uh never ending. >> Right. Right. Yeah. Um yeah. So some of the things that and I think it should be on that document too um that we tightened up as far as classifications for behaviors. What's classroom managed? What should be office managed? Kind of retraining the staff for that um has been extremely helpful. And then just kind of an outline of what that looks like as far as consequences, u major and minor refractions. Um I will say that and it could be just because it's year two for me knowing the kids, it's been a lot better, a lot easier, right? You still have my heavy hitters um that have

044some different things going on. We still have lots of kids on um behavior interventions and behavior plans um within the school um who have some challenges. But I will definitely say that I feel like we're moving in the right direction with that. >> Um, so yeah. >> Yeah, I know. And I I just I agree with the philosophy that you got to get that >> under control, for lack of a better term, before you can take the next step. I mean, we need to make sure these kids are in the classroom ready to learn and learning, >> right? >> Um, >> and I think too for me it's when the disruption's happening too, getting those kids out so it doesn't affect the other kids. That's also [clears throat] been a huge thing that we've really

045focused on with staff where it's like, okay, if they're causing a major disruption, let me know. We'll get them out until they're regulated and then get them back in as seamless, you know, as soon as possible. Um because again, that's kind of my one of my non-negotiables is if the behavior of a student is affected in learning of others, something needs to be done immediately so then the others don't get affected by it any longer. Well, and there's a there's a lot of things I don't there's a lot of education speak that I'm not up to snuff with. Like I I knew what closing gaps meant, but they went and changed that and called it something else. >> Uh some outcomes. Uh so I I'm looking forward to our to our deep dive uh data

046on this. um you know because yeah I have some questions and you know and I know you guys understand what they they all mean but uh >> yeah one question that I have is I I agree with all the things that are going to help us get back on the track but are there board policies or reviews that this board or the next board could do to more proactively make sure it stays on the rails right for the next administration or the next board as things change how we is happening again. How do we keep an eye on it a little more proactively? Right. >> I think from a standpoint of I keep coming back to process and procedures. >> I mean there's a reason that you guys approved all new board policies. I mean

047that just doesn't happen. Um I will say I mean this is not normal. The situation that we walked into is not normal. It's not conducive to what a foundation of public education should look like. And every single area that's sitting at this table, whether it's middle school, high school, sped, elementary, or districtwide, the lack of foundation in terms of process procedures, >> [clears throat] >> um, has really put us behind. And I think from a standpoint, Jordan, of my philosophy has always been I'm trying to make decisions for the next person. Um so that we can send, you know, the the you don't have to go through this and have to rebuild it from scratch. Um you know, when I look at my administration team, a lot of them have been in other places now.

048And that's where my grounding comes in. I'm like, is it me? Am I just like way out there or and that's where Deb when she was first here she helped ground me like I thought I was going crazy like how does this not exist? How does this not exist? And that's where I think our administration team looks at now. So to your point, yes, um process, procedures, um the policies are the the beginning part, but then if you look at some of these outlines in here, whether it's uh an RTI process, you know, how many basic one, how many uh weeks of intervention should we spend on a student if we see that they need um you know, if they're having issues, just that number alone, is it six weeks? Is it four weeks? Um,

049if you look at some of those things that Jamie has developed, it just doesn't jump to [clears throat] spend. And we had some issues here in terms of spend where students were being um brought to the attention of the special education department way later than they should. And again, I think we all know that the beginning elements of an education happen in the elementary and we have to jump on top of those things before it gets to where the gap is no longer achievable. [clears throat] And so I there is no silver bullet here. I wish I could say that there was. Um you are going to hear some different ideas and some different requests. Um obviously financially it's always one of the main drivers. Uh but in the same regard, we're we're not in

050a typical situation because these kids deserve a quality education and we have to make up some time some way somehow. >> I feel like maybe and maybe I'm wrong. Tell me if I'm wrong. Uh 40 kids in a class, 40 to 50, smaller staff feels like we could have an opportunity to be a little bit more agile. When you make a change, it can happen quicker. Does that make sense? You don't need to get a 100 staff on board. You need to get 20 staff on board or >> Yeah. And I think like I what one thing with my staff that I'm always telling u Mr. Olsson is is they're all so eager. They're all so ready like okay what do we need to do? How you know how are we going to accomplish this?

051Um they know I'm very solutionbased as far as okay this is the issue but what are the solutions for it? you know, you ask like what can you do as a board to ensure I think, you know, by you just saying, Chuck, that you can't wait to dive in and learn more. It's important to understand all this, right? Because you look at some of the historical data that Patrick had pulled, um, even for the elementary school, you can start to see it slide down. You can start to see those scores sliding down. So, as soon as those slid down, we should have taken a look at what's going on, what's happening, because we were at 71.8 and now we're at 55.8. And yes, it's different comparables and different things, but there's things that can go

052into effect to catch it before it gets to where they are. Um, I think one of the biggest things um that I learned right when I got here is it wasn't a special ed problem. It wasn't a intervention problem when I looked at all these kids who were alone. Like it's a core instructional problem. We're not giving these kids 80% of our kids the core instruction that they need. So, it's just starting at that at that ground zero part. So, um, yeah, just keep asking questions, you know, and then you you say, "Chuck, get, you know, get us everything that we need." And that that's exactly it. I'm going to Patrick handing workbooks for my kids. Absolutely. Get a quote, we'll get it. We, you know, um, need to get you fly and training for

053all my staff. Yep. Absolutely. Those are the things, you know, when I'm we're coming saying, "Okay, this is what we're doing." Constantly having you guys support all of that helps accomplish what we're trying to accomplish on the elementary school. I just I you know to her point I mean it may sound minimal to some but the fact that we did not have workbooks in the elementary >> or teacher manual >> it just [clears throat] you shake your head like how did these teachers even function on a [clears throat] weekly basis without those resources and that's not fair to them and we were asking them to do things um that they didn't have the proper resources to your point. >> And so I I just think there's like I said there's we're in the situation we

054are and for us as an admin team and as a staff and to Jaime's point we have staff that are just eager like you just tell us what we need to do and we'll do it and that's I think you know we can all agree that that's probably why we're here. I know it's why I'm here. Um, I didn't ask for some of the things that I've endured in two years, but in the same regard, I grew up um, not grew up, I'm not from here, sorry, but my wife is and I've lived here my entire professional career. And that's what brought me here. There's good people and I think we have people in the right spots. And you know, again, the PLLDS, I think, are very um indicative of the work that's being done.

055It's just going to take some time to implement. >> I just wanted to add I'm typically usually actually quite inspired by the things that you bring that you present to us and the things that you're actioning. So, um hopefully I think Patrick teed it up well that this scorecard isn't the be all end all. When you read books like how school work by Ernie Duncan who led public instruction for the the entire country, that was one of the first things he points out is that some years we can raise the expectations which then lowers all the scores and other years if you actually loosen the expectations all the scores improve and in reality you actually that's a a point against the students because you've lowered the expectations. So, I know you got other assessments in

056place uh to hopefully that we're seeing the right trends there. And I know we paid for some of the tracking mechanism uh software. So, maybe we can build some control plans in place to to Jordan's point so that we we have it sounds like you already got some things that you've identified. Hey, let me see the down trick. >> Yeah. And that's the stuff that I really look at and that's conversations I've had with Patrick. You know, I said, yeah, the accountability score. Okay. 56. That's that's a tough pill to swallow. I said, "But what I'd rather look at is our local EUly data. What was the beginning of the year assessment score that they have? What is our midyear assessment score now? >> Where are those trends projecting?" Um, I had a kindergarten teacher

057who I think pretty sure she said she's been teaching for 12 years. Um, she was in a previous district before that, but she came in and she's like, "Oh my gosh, Jamie Euthly is working." And she kind of giggled. She goes, "I should have been doing this 12 years ago." She's like, "I can't believe the difference in my kindergarteners that this is making." you know, so hearing things like that and again I I tell my staff, yes, we've got a bunch of great students and a bunch of great families here, but it's the staff that keeps me going because like I said, they're so eager to make changes. They're so eager to do what's best for kids. Um they've got that attitude of okay, what what do we need to do for these kids? Um

058right in front of us now. So yeah, is it ideal that I have fourth grade teachers teaching second grade phonics content? No. But it's where they're at right now and that's what we need to do. And so I kind of tease the fourth grade teachers, all right, you're teaching primary right now. This is how you're going to have to do it, you know. Um because again, if we just keep teaching where they're not, they're never going to get them. >> So we got to kind of meet them where they are and try to pull them up with the intent services and that kind of stuff that we're that we're doing. So >> and I think that that's the key comment. You know, we have to meet those students on a daily basis of where they're

059at. And you know, we can sit there and think and point fingers and all so on, but again, I give a lot of credit to [clears throat] uh the ladies to my right and our staff. They're just okay solution based what we need to do and how we do that. And our job as administrator is is to PD the crap out of them. >> It's to make sure that, you know, we don't just hand them, which I know has been consistent here. Here's the curriculum. Good luck. >> Yeah, >> I know that is a fact. >> And I think too just doing having my staff do the required UFly training. I offered it. I said it was going to be required K3. I had K5 all participate and then every single one of them couldn't

060believe that they got training on it. It's like that's kind of standard when we adopt a curriculum that we should. So it was just to see how surprised they were that everybody got the training and it wasn't just a train one person and then that person tried to share their ideas or their things and that kind of stuff. So that's what's key for that. >> Yeah, I like I said it we will have a chance in our work session where we really dive into just these topics but is there any other overall comments that anyone has? Any questions? Okay. All right. Well, that concludes our reports. There's a lot of good stuff that has happened in the last month. Um, and I think most of you know, whether it's from my updates or just in

061general, a lot of exciting things that are going on in our school. [clears throat] Um, but they'll uh come back with a report here in December. All right, it looks [clears throat] like uh we have Mr. Score with the presentation of our athletic. >> All right. Uh Mr. Olsson said that you guys have this information, so I'll try to give you the the quick piece to it here. Um so I I was looking at this and I was really astounded. Uh if you look as we go through the honor roll kids uh we have over 80% of our athletes in the fall uh are on the honor roll. That's that shocked me [clears throat] last week as I was putting the finishing touches on this. Um got for fall I've got the number of students

062that participated um the coaches. Uh, one thing, uh, Nikki and I talked a fair bit about, um, we actually have, um, due to growing numbers, we have a little bit of a transportation issue with our cheer team. Uh, she and I have bounced a couple ideas back and forth. Um, and and yeah, we gota we got to figure that out because uh, you know, we might be looking at talking about taking two buses to to football games or do we have two groups of cheer? one's one's uh both on their way and one's just uh one only travels, one doesn't. So, we'll we'll get to that as we go. Um I was really appreciative of [clears throat] Tammy Ericson and Jessica Hager for volunteering to drive extra vehicles just to get our girls there. So,

063that that was great. Um and then for uh some of the sports, we also had some allconerence athletes. Uh so just kind of want to point that out too as we go. So football uh same thing great high uh percentage with honor roll. Uh volleyball was very high percentage as well. 27. Yeah. Um I was 28. So a lot of good stuff there. Um, middle school uh also had high honor roll uh percentages as well. [snorts] Um, yep. So, volleyball as well. Um, so just a couple things and I know I'm kind of bringing it up later. Uh, I've done these presentations a number of years ago. It's been a little bit w little little while, but I looked back and we consistently used to be above uh 50% of our athletes of our high

064school students were in athletics. Uh we've we've dropped a little bit. Um I I looked it up. Uh you know, what's the national average? Well, we're well above that, but for a small school, you know, I think that's you we you would hope for that. Um middle school, we were at 54.4%. 4% again previously that was over 60% uh I don't have [snorts] all the answers to that but just some thoughts that you know how can we you know work on some of these things and you know societal draws are um are tough to tough to work against sometimes. [snorts] So, girls basketball is undefeated currently. They're um they play again tomorrow night. Um so, yeah, that was a a fun game the other night. Varsity only. Um boys basketball's just started. Um their first

065game is next Tuesday. Wrestling also just started and their first event will be next Friday, the John Tim wrestling uh invitational. So, good number so far. And then, yeah, the singlets and some new practice mats um here. I just wanted to put those in. Uh so, I don't know when the singlets will get here. Um but, you know, that'll be kind of fun to see. It's always fun. They're a part of the uniform rotation, of course. So, um yeah, boys basketball is about halfway through the season. Uh they've been fun to watch. uh some kids that I teach, you know, that I wasn't necessarily aware that they were going to be good basketball guys, um they're they're doing pretty well. Both the seventh and eighth grade. Eighth grade's really good. Um girls basketball, we have

066a sign up currently. Uh four eighth graders are signed up. Um we actually have seven seventh graders currently signed up. The last two years we did have um sixth graders. uh welcome to join the team. There are actually several schools in our conference that do this. Um I have a letter that I sent out the last two years. Uh you know, hey, come to practice for sure. Um playing time isn't guaranteed. Um but we try to um look at how to increase those numbers. So, uh that starts uh January. um [clears throat] wrestling. Uh again, they're they're kind of that same time frame as uh girls basketball, January, February. Um so some of the concerns of of athletics is just that declining participation. And then another piece that you know I'd have to do a

067fair bit of research, but uh over the last few years, slight decline here of the three sport athlete. Um, and a lot of this, if you ask the kids, they're good kids. They're working hard uh in something, not playing a sport for the school at that point, but many of them it's uh specialization. They see a a competitor from another school that doesn't play that sport, whatever it is, and well, they're in the gym doing that or they're in the batting cage or they're whatever. And so, I think that's one of the biggest draws. um schools under 200 it's uh it's a problem because at some point you know you're not offering a C team you're not offering a JV Mondovi girls does not have a JV girls basketball team this year um so that

068that causes issues our football team we're right on the verge of a JV team um we had a couple injuries and a couple issues uh and we lost a couple JV games too So, I'd like to encourage coaches to encourage their athletes, hey, make sure the next sport season you're participating. But again, it's tough to draw someone that's really dedicated to this sport uh to use their time for a different sport. So, just got to keep on working through that. Some spring athletic information. Um Josh Clinger uh and a lot of volunteers have been putting a lot of effort into our baseball field. You know, from some of you might remember I was a coach uh for baseball a number of years ago. From from then till now that baseball field, people wouldn't recognize it.

069It is so so improved. Um so thankful to everyone that's working on that. um softball too. You know, again, we're looking way ahead in the spring, but uh yeah, a lot of lot of work has gone and I think Josh has been a big part of that. So, um track and golf already. Um talking spring, too. But, uh we have people that are interested in being volunteers. Um and I do have I guess I didn't point it out for the open positions. I think I've got coaches that have talked with me um about filling all vacant positions. So, I feel pretty good about that. Um so, got to go through the interview process and hopefully December board meeting you'll have a couple of those to approve. Uh sportsmanship. Um we did again achieve the um

0702024 25 sportsmanship award. Um I don't know you know if you're very familiar with it but at every event every event um suppose except for maybe cross country and track maybe um fans coaches players are evaluated by officials. Um it used to be a card and now it's gone online. Um and then opposing so the coaches also rate opposing schools and so there's big you know database and uh this was Glenwood city score last year uh when it was averaged together our total was a a score of 1.38 many years ago. I don't know how many years ago that St. Detroit um looked at data and said if your school earns an average um below or above, however you want to look at it, of 1.409, you are a sportsmanship award winner. And we achieved

071that again. So, we'll add to our banner down there. Last year, we actually had to get another banner because we've got two full banners. So, that's fun. Um that does lead me into a little area of concern. Uh this fall um I had more communication with officials and um supervisors of other schools. Uh we did have a couple fan uh no player but a couple fan um issues. Um I did [clears throat] speak with uh both of the individuals that were um described And uh both conversations >> [snorts] >> uh I think got the points crossed uh because I had no other issues after that. Um you know those are not fun conversations to have. People are very passionate about athletics and especially when their children are involved. So um had what I think were

072positive interactions and maybe better sportsmanship after that. So, [snorts and clears throat] um, surveys. So, uh, we have the last two years, we've talked a lot about this. Um, end of season surveys last year. Um, we did not get to this early enough. It went out as a end of the year survey for all sports. And you saw the the raw data. It was quite unwieldy. lot of information there, valuable information. Um, but you know, trying to remember back nine months ago, did I like practice or not? You know, that's not always easy. But I spent a fair bit of time looking at that uh both for the athletes and the parents. Um, this year we sent a uh parent and and athlete survey right after the fall season's all concluded. Um, we just uh

073closed it. Um, I got the information from Mr. Olsen in the email. I have not had a chance to look at it yet. Um, Mr. Nar just Mr. Olsson and I will be looking through that. Um, we also have a self evaluation uh that coaches head coaches fill out and then I fill out a very similar one as well. Almost identical, same questions. [clears throat] What I've done with that in the past is places where I maybe see something different. I talk with the coaches uh to see where that difference of opinion comes in. Um the ideal goal especially as we uh you know kind of set an average for what what should a rating be zero or one to five from athletes from parents? You know what what are the norms that we're looking

074at there? What what's a good season? what's a a less good season and then taking the those scores and the comments and then you know sitting down and actually talking through a little bit more with coaches than what I've done in the past with just our evaluations when I've asked the last two years other gun croes a lot of schools uh did this in the early 2000s but have gone away from it because the narrow opinions. It looks it it feels like just a opportunity to rant. But the way that I look at it as, you know, if I can take a summary and say, you know, here's here's the positives, here's the consistent issues, hey, maybe we could improve this [clears throat] thing. You know, whatever those are. you know, if if one upset

075parent says a random comment, I don't know if that's valid, but if if seven out of 23 say it all that there's something there. So, um yeah, that's that on uh other information. Um I wish I had wrote wrote this later than I did. Uh we've been very successful in fighting officials. Uh, I should have written that, I guess, because last week, end of the week, I had three different basketball officials tell me that they've been asked to join uh varsity crews now, and so we'll not be able to do JV for us in basketball. So, uh, I'm officiating tomorrow night, so I already apologize to Bo Brand. Um, but, uh, it's it's a shortage. It's something that we have to figure out. Um, because it's it's not looking like it's getting better. Uh at

076our Dun St. Croy meeting so far this year, it's been brought up and then at our last meeting, it was said uh we're probably going to each team is going to give be given a choice. Are you going to host a Thursday night varsity football game or a Saturday varsity football game? Because the Dun St. Croy is struggling to find officials. Um so these things are coming and >> that's the reason for >> shortage of officials. Okay. >> Yep. That's the only reason. >> Okay. Um so we talked um there was three superintendents, three athletic directors and three principles and we met and went through our constitution for the first time in 20 plus years and I was part I was one of the soups and after [clears throat] part of that discussion was an

077understanding of how many crews are actually going to be retiring. Yes. And so we even brought it up at our CISA meeting to say um you're going to have to make a choice because the Friday nights they're they're officiating and if [clears throat] we can double them up and have so they would agree they can say yep I'd do a Saturday or I'd do a Thursday. Um again because we want to try to get ahead of this. So yeah, that is one of the main pieces of why we would be looking at a Thursday, Friday or Saturday game is because the officials just don't exist. The the problem with that too is um a lot of our varsity football officials are also varsity volleyball officials, which are Thursdays and Saturdays quite often. So it's it's

078that will help. that would definitely help. But yeah, there's there's quite a few crews that you've seen in the area that within the next three years will not be open and varsity sports. Um so um I've thought and fought and thought and over the last couple years I've tried um you know how to how to get our athletes as they leave, as they graduate, how do I get them? How do I retain them? Um, you know, I've had a few that have, but of course then they go on and, you know, get significant others and, uh, maybe go off to college or whatever. But, uh, that's always something I'm thinking of. I actually saw a young man here, graduated last year, basketball player. I said, "Hey, what are you doing?" Uh, he's at Stout, so

079I'm gonna I'm gonna keep on that. Um, so, uh, but we may we may have to talk. Um, we pay $70 uh for pretty much all lower level officiating, which I started officiating was $45. That wasn't that long ago. Um, I think that's a lot of money, but but people again when when Allen Crows can get $110 for varsity, you know. So, I know some other ads [clears throat] in the area are paying 90 for JV now. And uh we we just we might have to talk about it more. So, just to be aware. Um workers, we've got some of the same people that that work a lot of events and I am afraid for when they retire or want their nights. Um so, trying to recruit more workers. uh we do pay actually better

080than most school districts in the Ben St. Croy for our workers. So it's not that uh I mean the connections with students it's amazing. I've told people that I don't know that they believe me but I've had people come back to me later and say yeah especially middle school I worked that game and the next day the middle school boy comes in and is a different kid because hey you were at my game you cared about me. I'll care about you a little bit now, too. So, that's a huge piece. I wish more people believe me, but um great connections with the community, too, you know, when when they see people work in those games. So, I already mentioned the the baseball field. So, a lot of people have put in for that. [snorts] Tried

081to go quick and be brief, but if you have any questions, um I would certainly like to entertain them. A few years ago, we talked about really low middle school numbers and then they kind of [clears throat] wrestling numbers in the middle school and then they kind of rebounded y and we had to get a volunteer. We still strong >> this year. >> Okay. Yeah, this year we're probably um a little bit down cycle again. >> Um we'll we'll probably be fine with just one coach. If you mind scrolling back up, we do have Carson, I believe. Um, and Austin. >> Yeah. >> Um, Austin, you know, family and everything, but we're hoping to pull him back in as a volunteer at least. Um, he's he's he's said that he will help some to Shane,

082but see his house now, isn't he? So, he should have plenty of time. [laughter] >> Um, but yeah, he's he's an excellent [clears throat] excellent. >> Do they all are they all up there together? the high school team. Um, so we actually uh we just uh just started having a few of the high school kids coming down uh into the commons uh now as well. Uh 25 or more athletes fills that wrestling room up. So they've expanded a little bit. Uh that works really well right now, you know, when middle school wrestling begins. So, January and February, you know, [clears throat] we can probably do it where, you know, here's some high school kids, here's some middle school kids. That would probably be fine. I I don't know the middle school numbers, but Shane predicts

083it to be a little bit lower than it was last year. [clears throat] >> Do we still offer dual sport to athletes? >> We do. Uh we've had more middle school participation with that this year. We actually had I think three athletes that uh took advantage of that. Um cross country and volleyball I think were two of them. Yeah. And then did we have a football and cross country? But yes. Yeah. Um the last couple years high school wise we've had far fewer. I think we had a little bit of a negative taste. Kids at dual sport, it starts with them. They really have to show their teammates on both teams and their coaches that they're in. And so if I'm the athlete and I leave this sport and I'm supposed to get over to

084that sport real quick and I don't, people on both sides start to get a little bit, you know, there's hard feelings and then coaches get bad taste and then so we have had maybe a little bit of a sour taste the last couple years, but it's still there for students that have a 2.7 GPA or higher, I believe it is. There's some there's some criteria involved. Middle school, we've been a little bit more flexible with, okay, let's make a calendar. Um, high school, we were a little bit more rigid with primary sport is always first just [clears throat] for fairness. But with middle school, uh, we want everyone to try because you never know what they're going to what's going to hit and they're going to like and advance in. So, >> do other uh

085schools in our conference, do they do the same things? >> Yeah. Um, yeah, Boyceville has several kids that dual sport. Um, there are Spring Valley has a couple kids. Um, I guess I can't think of, but yes, [clears throat] they do. I don't know how many with some of the other schools. [clears throat] >> You said there was going to be a shortage ahead of officials. I didn't realize you meant tomorrow, but >> yes. Yes. Tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> The um so it sounds like for the for the fall sports some of that surveys of the coaches and everything else still yet to be assembled and maybe understood. Okay. >> Yeah. I truly saw the email, clicked on the email, um open and just I I looked because I wanted to see did we have

086a lot of kids fill it out? Did we have a lot of parents fill it out? >> Uh looks as though we did. >> Okay. Um and that's then I was getting ready to come up. >> I just closed it today and I put together the raw data um throughout the day today. So um as Mr. Square alluded to, we are still in the evaluation process of fall sports and coaches uh using that raw data plus others. We've actually already met a couple times based on some concerns that have been brought to us. Um we wanted to make sure that we had all the data in front of us before we made some recommendations to the board. So um more information will be coming especially um with that data so that we can put it

087in some usable form. >> Perfect. And then we'll be doing that after each >> Yes. winter spring. [clears throat] >> Yep. Absolutely. the that was the challenge to try and make it uh you know brief enough that it's not you're filling out a book but also you know open enough that people could share their thoughts for all of our fall sports. Um all of our wins are all about spring sports. >> I I have a question about sportsmanship. Um [clears throat] I [snorts] I don't know about other sports, but I was at like volleyball and I hear like if a girl hits it into the net, they chant this ain't FIFA. >> Yeah. >> Now to me that violates the the done St. Croy kind of thing. It >> I mean it's it's not supporting

088in a positive manner. >> Um >> but we do it. Voiceful does it. I mean, it's it's it's what they do and they all have fun. I'm glad the their classmates are all there cheering for them. >> Um, does Am I wrong? Does that is [clears throat] the Where is there a fine line? Is it is it Cuz I'm not going to go over there and tell them to stop saying that. I might I might say that maybe we should, but I mean >> the this the same >> Yeah. So kick the ball into the net. >> Yeah. the same and they have a few of them in their >> know that too. >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. And the you can't do that. [laughter] >> It drives me nuts. >> So Chuck, um you're

089you're old again that >> and almost every uh evening we we take we should just set aside time for this. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Um [clears throat] because Yeah. what is acceptable and what is not. Um, obviously calling out a player by name, uh, number or holding up a sign negatively. >> Yeah, >> those are clear. >> Wrong. >> You know, Jen, the saying, well, you're not saying, "Hey, you hit it into the net." But >> yeah, >> you know that we are saying universally, >> it's just like the I shoot, and this happened a lot to me. I shoot and the crowd just starts chanting airball before I even lose my head. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> But um >> and that's where I struggle because [clears throat] you know there is that understanding of

090you can't say anything for a volleyball serve and I said well gosh I want that for basketball. >> You can when when my guys are shooting free throws there. No. >> Is that realistic? Absolutely not. I would say to an athlete buck up. you know, you're going to get, you know, so there is a clear line in terms of what is vindictive and targeted and then there's also of playful sports and just you know what you got to get tough some tougher skin and >> is it written down? I mean, every school is so for me when I'm supervising, it's like, you know, it's >> Yeah. But just because every school does it doesn't mean it's right. >> Agree. [laughter] >> The uh I I do have to say though, the uh NFHS, you can

091cheer during the surf, but you cannot have a crescendo. Mine would be proud. You cannot cendo to the ser. So, you know. >> Okay. Uh >> oh. No, that's fine. just cleared it up perfectly. >> When you take those officiating classes, they'll give you credit. >> Yes, I can do that. >> Um, so my other question would be I know I've seen you standing over there by the student section. Are you or other schools, they've got somebody there that's like, you know, you'll be like, get that whistle out of here or that boom box or something. Just >> you were in that game. >> I was in that game. So you have some you can be in charge of that to just kind of keep them in line or the supervisor. >> The supervisor that's

092>> So the [clears throat] officials do have the ability and should and the the problem of course is if an official says hey you you're out that athlete a lot of fans are athletes they're going to miss the next event. I don't want that to happen. So if our offic So if our supervisors can uh take away the speaker >> uh or you know whatever artificial noise is not permitted um then yeah >> get ahead of it before it gets to an official >> every school does have a supervisor at middle school and varsity events. The problem is, yeah, what's where's the line? You know, where's that gray line? Is this appropriate? >> Well, I would say here at Glman City, I would like that to be uh a bar that is better than other

093schools. That's where I stand out. >> If if that makes sense. >> I want to be better. >> Yep. >> Yeah, that's kind of one of my questions around like the 1.4. How many of the districts actually do get the sportsmanship award? like is it a high bar or is kind of everybody making it into a bowl game? >> So that's a great question actually. Um [laughter] so uh if you look um I would say over the last three years there are probably only [snorts] about one school a year that doesn't uh this year every single school in St. Croy achieved well I should say last year yeah >> every school that was in the St. Croy last year achieved this. >> Sure. uh the year before I believe two did not. Um [clears throat]

094now we talk about that though because um when when we have got to look at some of the data the uh the games that have the lowest scores for one of the teams are typically non-conference. >> The Don St. Croy has had the sportsmanship summit. I believe this was the 25th year for it. um where where our athletes we we try to pick, you know, future leaders, juniors, maybe a couple sophomores. Um they [snorts] gather, used to be at El this year's at KFax. Um we take two coaches. I typically go I was gone this year. Um and we spend the day talking about sportsmanship. Um our schools I do think that on St. holds itself to a higher standard than than many of the area conferences. But to that point, you know, could we

095do better? But then also the other side of that um is what is appropriate and what is not having fun [clears throat] versus shaming someone. I mean it's it's tough. And when our kids watch collegiate, which is different, or NFL or, you know, professional sports, you know, they're the antics that are being done there. Man, that looks fun. But again, some of them are definitely not appropriate here. So, yeah, it's a it's a gray area. Every school's a little different. Um, I will say that the bar is higher than the dun St. Roy because El the superintendent still attends our meetings and they are now in the Cloverbell >> and he has made comments in the last two meetings. He's couldn't believe the behavior of Cloverbell um teams coming to FM and he just was

096like it was so refreshing in the Dun St. Croy like all the ads, principles, superintendents, they all had this consistent expectation and [clears throat] to now be in a new conference, we're not seeing that. So, I think that speaks, you know, Eric has been at Elkcom for a while as a superintendent and to hear that um speaks highly of our conference and some of the expectations. Thanks for adding the sixth graders to the middle school ball. That was great. >> Anything else for that? >> All right. >> But you get to keep talking, right? >> What's that? >> You get to keep talking. >> Oh, I'm going to pass the torch right over to Shane. >> It's got your name on it, too. >> I know. I don't know why it's on top. [laughter] Preston's

097been standing out here for an hour. He can't get into his classroom. >> Oh yeah. [laughter] >> Oh man. >> Do you have a master key on you? >> Is he Can you press >> on my desk and my keys are there? Go ahead and just >> those two. >> Is this touch screen? You just have to nod at me and say, >> especially smudge it first. [laughter] [snorts] >> So, I guess I'm uh I'm going to talk a little bit about the APAN process and applying to get into Aman football. We talked about this in the fall of 2022 just to give you some information on how this process works. Um, you apply on even years. So, if we were to decide to apply, we would apply in the fall of 26 and then

098you would be in in the fall of 28. Um, so that's why we're talking about it a year in advance if we were to decide to go that direction. Um, when we talked about this, we talked about our future enrollment, the program numbers, and our junior varsity opportunities. Um, I'll briefly talk about those things as we go along through the presentation. And then playing varsity athletes are playing athletes at the varsity level before they're ready to play, especially in a combat sport like football. Um, violent collisions and our fewer had any games this year. Our line averaged 145 pounds. [laughter] Um, I thought we did fairly well for the kids that we had, they played really hard. Um, and then we have uh we've had other conference schools considering going to eight man. Both Turtle

099Lake and Clear Lake applied last year, so they're they're going out. Chipo Chipua McDonald is uh coming in along with Osteo Fairchild. Um and now EPC is also talking about applying in 26 for 28. So it's growing. Kofax has also lightly discussed that they've got one other slight issue with their enrollment is a little bit higher. >> So to be playoff eligible, you have to be less than 200 on a three-year average. So, if your three-year average is below 200 and you hit 200, you're still eligible. Um, and KFax is is over little just a little bit over 200. So, if they were to try to jump in, they would not be playoff eligible. They could play eight man, but they wouldn't be able to play in the playoffs. >> Okay. Our current status, we

100had 33 kids out for football, which we're typically between 35 and 40. Um, we've had a couple years since I've been here where we've been around 45. It's pretty rare. Um, in fact, the state teams were only in the low 30s, so it's not much different. Um, our current classification is division 7 with our 187 enrollment. Um, and I explained already with the uh early elig our earliest eligibility would be the fall of 2028. And we're going to show some projected enrollment numbers here for our future um to help you through that decision process. And our average class sizes preK through fifth grade currently are 41. Um and based on this data, there's going we're going to get to a point where we're dropping into the 160s. [snorts] So we would be we're we're actually

101currently eligible right now to play eight man football. Um, one thing I wanted to point out, um, I'm from southeast Minnesota and in Minnesota they played nineman when they were um, my high school was eligible for nineman for over 20 years before the they swallowed their pride and went to nman football. Um, and it it made a significant difference. Um, they were they were Elmwood playing elk mound pretty much every Friday when I was growing up as a kid. we could compete. Um, but to to sustain that throughout the course of an entire season was very difficult and now they're very competitive and have a couple state championships because of it. Um, I talked a little bit about Turtle Lake, Clear Lake, EPC. Um, biggest thing is safety. Um, when our ninth and tth graders

102can stay at the JV level, that's great because they can develop with their age group. Um, this would provide us with that opportunity. skill development um if we can split our practices up is a is a big thing too and it's more con more more competitive and the more competitive you are the more success you have more kids that want to be a part of that uh just to add to that um I was looking at the numbers uh in 2019 there were 40 uh eight player football teams in Wisconsin uh 2021 there were 50 teams 2023 there were 56 teams and this year in 2020 25 there were 72 teams. So eight players growing as other schools faced some of the same challenges that we have faced. >> And all the classifications go when

103when a team drops to eight man that pulls a D6 team down into D7. So that's just that's going to that gap will spread that gap out. We'll talk a little bit more about that. But yeah, football is the only sport that we have that you don't know for sure uh when you start the season what division you're in. Uh we know with our enrollment, but um if you're a bubble team like we used to be um you might get to the playoffs, they take the teams that qualify and then they then they by enrollment make uh make the >> and that that changed this year. This is the first year that they, you know, your classification before the season starts. >> Yeah. >> Um, so they won't do you won't we'll be D7 next

104year for sure, but then when they reclassify after the 26 when they find out what teams are going, plus the performance factor, >> yeah, um, plays a role in that, too. So, we have a current re our records um for Glenwood City Football since 2002. Um it's one of a few sports in our school district since I've been here that has a winning record. So, we have been competitive um over the years and you do have to qualify to make the playoffs in football. It's the only sport um that you have to do that and I think we've qualified 10 times since I've been here. So, we have had some success. Um, you can see that we've had some down years, too. Um, which is small school football. That'll happen. Um, our kids were very

105competitive this year. Um, with um despite our size, we lost two games this year on the last drive of the game. That's eight wins. It's just just a difference. But, uh, very proud of them and how they played this season. Here are the enrollment projections. So this year we were 187 [clears throat] I believe for our classification and next year 188. So very similar. Then you can see we [clears throat] we start to trend down a little bit. We have a jump here. I'm assuming that's our fourth grade. Our fourth grade is pretty big, isn't it, Jamie? Um, so that's probably why that goes up a little bit with a graduating class. >> Sorry, when I put this together, I just [clears throat] took the current um numbers that are in the elementary. So, please

106know that that can change based on people [clears throat] coming in, people going out, >> but the likelihood that we exceed that 200 threshold consecutive years is probably pretty low, right? >> Yeah. Um I took I took these numbers and I took this year's division 7 um enrollment. Uh so there were 52 teams in division 7. Uh enrollment of division 7 teams performance factor did play a role in this. Um there were uh 101 was the smallest school enrollment to 220. Um all of those teams we were 23rd right in the middle. Um but as we go here uh we would be again 23rd using this year's number. So don't know what other schools are doing but 23rd 31st uh 34th for these two years uh 38th 33rd 36th. So, um, and then as other

107schools, as as Shane had said it, as other schools like Clear Lake and EPC that have already made the switch, as they go, those schools that are smaller than us are going to drop away, pulling down those division six schools. So, you know, we we're definitely going to be a a little fish. [snorts] >> So, I talked about this in the beginning. So, the application process, the deadline is October 1st of next fall. um and then we would be eligible in the fall of 2028. If we choose not to apply in 26, we cannot apply until 28 to be eligible in 2030. Um couple things that I wanted to add. So, um I've been through this process u before 8 was uh a thing. Um, it was actually one of my first years in Prairie

108Firm and Prairie Firm actually won through Coach Anistad, the inaugural so-called state titles. Um, when I left Glenwood years ago and went up there as the principal, um, there was 15 kids playing football. And after we moved, which took a lot of I would say it's almost like a referendum. You actually had to talk the community into this because there was just those hardcore absolutely not and so on. Uh you may ask why why eight men? Well, Minnesota has had nineman for many, many years and uh for as long I mean I've been out of school for however long and nineman has always been available. Um, of course I can't be the same as Minnesota so they changed it to eight men. Um, Wisconsin did have eight men back farm I know people that played

109eighth player football for Prairie Farm back in the 60s. [laughter] >> They were good. That's what they tell. Um, but two years after going to Eman, uh, the roster in Prairie Farm, he was in the upper 20s. And to Shane's point, um, in this presentation, if you're a freshman or a sophomore, you do not want to go against some of these men that are junior, seniors, and get the crap kicked out of you. So, I think it's something that you have to look at. Um, McDonald I I don't I mean they won the eightman [clears throat] championship this year. I think they're an anomaly because they're coming back to 11 man. Um, plus their private school. So I I think that's beside the point, but the number of schools that are considering this based on

110a lot of factors. Um but I think in my experiences that was probably the biggest reason was again if you can keep students or players or student athletes playing against some similar um if you look at you know our these records and the enrollment you know from 2002 to 2025 I mean we've lost 100 kids in our high school and so when you look at that and and the last two years, you know, it's the the double digit wins um is the first time for a while, but from a standpoint of the competitiveness and the numbers, they're there, but I think some of that's going to diminish, too, because you're going to see enrollment not only drop, um but every high school goes through these highs and lows. Um, and I think, um, it was

111interesting because coach Strong talked to me, you know, um, earlier when I was here coaching that they were going to present to the board or talk [clears throat] about it and it wasn't necessarily moving forward with um, again, you have the old-timers. I don't want to go and we had to be a love man because I was a love man. I really think you have to look at the safety factor that's established here because what you're going to do is you're going to get to the point of where Prairie Farm was in terms of kids just aren't going to want to go out and I think uh Coach Strong has has kept consistent numbers as far as participants. Um those are things we're not asking you for a decision tonight um because we do have

112some time but the presentation's important for you to understand like why why is this even being considered and what goes into that um the number of teams that have moved to eight man um it's becoming more and more popular just from a standpoint throughout the whole and I think Shane isn't aren't they're looking to put eight man cuz right now they don't play on the Thursday Friday at Camp Randall. Are they looking from what I heard they're trying to infuse that somehow where that final game can take place because for so long it was at DC Everest and then this year I don't even know where it was. >> I think it was in Wisconsin Rapids. >> Rapids. Yeah. So DC Everest all [clears throat] the times because Prairie Farm made it a number of

113years. But um they're trying the conversation is as this grows, you know, get that team to play down at Matt or at Camp Randall. Just like the other groups, >> there's also been, you know, low-level discussion, so not anything for sure, but discussions of as a player continues to grow, do they create a second division? uh does 11 player eventually drop division seven, you know, and if if those things, especially dropping division seven, that would be a very uh that would be detrimental for for us, for our kids. Um I think WA has already gone down that path. Like boys basketball, we are in division four this year for basketball. Our girls are in division five and that's the success factor um that has affected that. And then there was a tie. We were actually

114part of the tie. We got moved down. So, what that tells me is is that at any point, that's what they're going to do because WA wants to put all finals at the same. They just move wrestling down to lacrosse uh because of the venue. Um, football has been the same. You know, you get those people that constantly say, "Well, why? It's a state championship. Why is it not with the rest?" So I I I believe that at some point there is going to be a change here especially as more and more teams just Jane mentioned how many teams around here are considering that >> the St. Right. The the districts or district for football, it changes every two years anyway. It can change, but it it's going to continue to change as a couple

115other schools look at it for sure. >> Said it was kind of like a referendum, right, where like the whole community talks about it, but it's a point where like a lot of our districts locally, I mean, I don't want to say well does it. We do it. But I mean to kind of maintain that camaraderie with our local districts, right? It would be nice if we all did it together. I've I've had a number of texts with uh EPC's uh AD and you know that's kind of the thought is like well when are you presenting when are you presenting >> you know yeah together and that's two schools is two schools >> so I think again you often see high school athletics you know there's just those >> valleys and the peaks and it

116just goes up and down based on who you have go out for your teams but at some point. Yeah, football's a different beast because of the physicality of it. >> Is the field the same size? >> No. No. >> It's a little smaller, right? >> You would need to do anything to our facility. That is >> We wouldn't have to change anything with our facility. Just you can leave it a 100 yard field or you can go to 80. >> Okay. >> Um but you do have to narrow it which you just paint the lines. >> You just paint the lines at different. >> What was the reason we didn't change in 2022 when it was discussed? Um, do you want me to say >> Yeah, not not me. Yeah, I >> um Mr. Johnson

117wasn't for it. For one, thought it was us going backwards was one of the comments and then we did have a board member that was critical of it. To be honest with you, it was just anformational thing. And the only board member I felt like was talking about and asking me questions was Jo. And I when I walked out of there, I thought, well, Chuck played on the 97 state championship team and he's talking about I thought he'd be the one who was prideful of no way [clears throat] and and it wasn't. So, I I think the the piece like like a referendum is community support. You know, I remember at that point I I was coaching and there were there were people on the coaching staff that, you know, ah this is Yeah. a

118step backwards. We weren't even sure as coaches if it was the right decision. We love 11man football, >> but we care about Glenwood more than 11 man football. You know what what is be better for kids? We actually there I don't want to throw under the bus, but we have a football legend here from Glenwood City that's been coaching a little bit with us who was not for this a few years ago. in my recent talks with him, he's all for it, which which is a good sign that there's some support there. >> I I also, if I recall, in 2022, the dominoes hadn't started falling yet. >> Yeah. >> With cold bags in ETC, >> you know, it was >> So, it was like we were talking about maybe having to go and play

119>> really far away. >> Um, that's not the case anymore, [clears throat] you know. Yeah, you know, and then another piece, you know, for me is we we talked almost a couple times a week, how are we looking for JD? Are we, you know, are we good? You know, I mean, had some key injuries at key positions. Um, if you run out of quarterbacks, it's tough to play football. Um, [clears throat] >> we're teaching a kid how to play a line in in one night for a JV game for >> It's hard. So, when you're putting 14-year-old boys against 18-year-old men on a Friday night, some bad things can happen. And I want to say [clears throat] it from experience [laughter] that my son played as a sophomore against, you probably don't all know who

120he is, but Leo Chanel, who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. Um, and he played football against him and he played basketball against him. And in both of those games, Tanner was very upset. He's like, I don't know. I can't compete with a dad, you know. So, I mean, it's it's it's debilitating as parents, debilitating as an athlete, and if we can keep those kids within their own ranges, that would be to me would be awesome. So for those of you that don't know, so from an eight 11 man to an eightman, it's one less lineman, one less running back, and then [snorts] it typically it's like a an end or something receiver. So you know, you still have the same concept. And again, Minnesota has had nine man for year after year after year.

121Um, didn't you come from that area to Houston or something? Yep. They uh we were eligible for nineman all the way when I was in high school. They didn't go to nineman till seven years after I graduated >> and they've been stayed a few times since then. I mean competitive every year and there's no there's nothing statistical that says that it doesn't prepare an athlete to to go on and take the next step so to speak. I mean, you're playing football, the concepts are the same, positions are the same, if you were, but no, it there's there's guys in the NFL that >> Tucker [clears throat] Craft. >> Tucker Craft. Exactly. Umad >> Chad Greenway is one of the best. I mean, is he >> nineman South Dakota? Yeah, >> because there are some schools

122like Montana that play even fewer, but >> my son played with two kids from Luck that started at South and we're all WAC, all conference from eight man schools. So, if you can play, they'll find you. >> Yeah. So, I think this is a really good starting point to have discussions and see where we go. we have, you know, 10 months. Uh, you know, >> one thing I want to say about that though is, >> yeah, >> if we decided to do this, >> I would like our junior high to go to eight man next year. And so, if we can give Jake time to put together a schedule, that would EPC would be easy because I think they would say, "Yeah, no problem. We'll play. We'll play you." But the more time we have

123to pick up those games, the better. >> And I don't think this, again, there's not a decision tonight, but um between the coaches, the AT, and myself, you know, we all recommend making this move for the 26. Um the, you know, the waiting time [clears throat] alone, you know, again, you want to get ahead of this stuff. So, uh, this will be a vote that comes to you, but we wanted to have the conversation. Uh, we were going to have it in October, uh, but then some things happen. Um, but again, I would agree sooner rather than later, within the next couple months to make a final decision so we can prepare appropriately. So [clears throat] on one hand, I mean this looks I mean it looks like it could be promising for us, but

124also I mean we're always trying to look at how we can increase our enrollment. So what happens if our enrollment goes over while you're an eightman team? you you have to >> well I think you'd be in the same boat as like McDonald so there's always flexibility to go back so McDonald was eight man for what two years three years >> I think two cycles so four years and now >> so they don't make you go back to 11 >> no you choose to but if you go above the threeear average >> so we would have to be 200 or higher for three years in order to go above that average >> or you would have to put 3M in downtown here and have 600 employees move into town. [snorts] >> But that's but that

125is important because it's a three-year attendant, you know, average enrollment >> and it's every two years the cycle. So, we would have time. [clears throat] >> If we were to make this, >> if we saw a projection of who we're we're jumping up to 210 time, >> we would have time to >> Yes. declare that we want to go back to 11. >> So if you receive that average, like worst case, you're just not playoff eligible for a season as you make the transition back. >> And then that's a good point because on the flip side of that, there's been there have been multiple schools that have waited and waited and waited and then when they realize we have 16 kids out, we need to jump in. They jump in and I'm not here. You

126could we could play man right now, >> but then we can't play in the playoffs if we don't go through the application process. >> And you could do the same the reverse too. If you're like, "Holy cow, now we've got kids pouring in everywhere." You could again go move make the move to 11 player, not be playoff eligible until the cycle. But again, with the freeear enrollment and the two-year cycle, you should always be able to stay ahead of that um and then apply and move. Well, in this year we had to cancel a JV game. You know, we had some injuries. Um, and you do you get to that point. So, in terms of enrollment and opportunities and so on, yeah, those things are going to always happen. Um, but again, I think it's

127fair to say, you know, especially with the legislature coming out and incentivizing schools to consolidate, you know, there's just less population of students within the state of Wisconsin, our enrollment shows the same trajectory. Clear Lake is going to be under 160 uh 150 in the next year. So again, the likelihood of getting to that point based on our data too, it's not going to happen [clears throat] unless 3M does come in our backyard, which is unlikely. Does anybody have any questions since we have uh [snorts] the head coach and the AAD here? Does anybody have any concerns, any, you know, thoughts in terms of community um feedback? Um, are you okay with the information was presented and we just think about it and then a vote comes in the next month or two? Um, or

128is there more steps that you would like to see taken? >> I don't think we need more steps. >> One of the reasons I made that comment about Prairie Farm is because it was new. It just it didn't exist. And I think that's why people were put there was no state tournament. There was no there wasn't 72 teams in eightman. Now, yeah, I mean, it's like common. So, I I don't think you're going to have the same push back except you do get some of the local establishments where they're yip yapping about the good old days. Um, so if you feel like more information is needed, we certainly can do that. But I don't know if [clears throat] that exists. and and just thinking I don't know that our travel would be much different. I

129mean it's really convenient. Boyceville and Spring Valley, but Clear Lake, you know, Turtle Lake, EPC, assuming they go this route, you know, you start building a conference, you know, of very similar. Yeah. So it we might be mileage time of travel very >> maybe it's close though in your 8 minutes you know >> attack and chip McDonald >> right yeah and that that'll grow >> because they place you with the closest closest schools >> I I feel like we're will get out or get around so you know people will know we got plenty we got time to make their opinions known >> with the the December. We move it always because of the Christmas concert. So, this would be likely vote in J. >> Any other [clears throat] questions? >> I'm assuming of the football

130parents that you know, they're they'd be generally supportive of this. Yeah, everyone that I've talked to >> I figured you wouldn't be bringing it forward unless you guys >> I'm sure there will be some that are critical which they have pride in city and they love city so I understand that [clears throat] >> Jamie you have a presentation Yes. [laughter] >> All right. So, I had approached um Patrick a couple weeks ago. Um this is a need that I've definitely kind of been wanting to um implement, initiate down at the elementary school and then have it kind of carry over to our middle school, high school. Um, again, I want to try to build that community connection within the school district. I know years ago, pre-COVID, there was a good partnership with community members coming

131in and that kind of thing. And then I kind of once COVID hit, everybody kind of shut the doors and then it was hard to kind of reopen, back things up. So, kind of came up with this plan and idea as we're talking about kids who need an additional adult in their life. Um, a lot of our kiddos are looking for those positive role models, that type of stuff. So, I did put together a community mentor program. So, outside adults or even some of our high school kids who want to get involved um down at the elementary school or vice versa. But this would be for 4K through 12th grade students needing any extra encouragement, a connection. Um it helps increase attendance, motivation, organizations. You can kind of read through this. Um so, I'm looking

132for anybody like in our local community, parents, guardians, retired staff. um people at local businesses, employers, maybe if 3M comes in, some of their workers would like to come um and help with our kiddos. So, what I have is it has a volunteer application process, a background check that we done through the district, and then I have um like a mentor handbook that they would get. Um this would all be done on site on school grounds um for the safety of our students and our volunteers. because we don't want to put them in situations. Um, super supervised visible spaces. Um, really I'll take whatever from volunteers. If they say I can come every couple weeks, great. If it's weekly, whatever people are willing to give for time um would be awesome for that. Um, and

133then um what I have is like applications, volunteer applications for the mentors and then I also have referral forms for staff if they have kids that they want to refer. So like down at the elementary school once we start having our next data meetings we go over um behavior we go over academics we go over home life different things that these kidd kiddos are going through. So that will also help us identify some of these kids. This is something like I said that I've also rolled out and welcome middle school high school students because we still have some of those kids that also need those connections. So um that's kind of it in a nutshell. I would like to add that I think you know when you look at the community connection um in my

134two years making concerted efforts to attend uh city council meetings and uh Jody is part of the the group that [clears throat] was the former chamber and just different things like that to get the community into our schools and form a better partnership. uh local businesses the same thing. Um so I think you know or you look at uh the emergency unit uh whether it's fire um EMT etc making signs for them making signs for the city. Uh this is just another step. Um and Jamie did a a great job of putting this together to where um if you saw the pictures of last Friday, which was uh the grandparents day, uh when you can fill up the new elementary uh gym uh with grandparents, um those connections and helping kids um just feel some

135of those items. Um it's never It's always refreshing when you walk in, especially as a male, and you have these kids come up and just grab your uh leg cuz they just don't have that um type of person in their lives. Um we actually just had the conversation with grandparents, too. We have a number of students and my kids were one of them. they don't have grandparents. And so I think there if there's any uh ever an opportunity to get kids connected, [clears throat] um Jamie has done this with uh my son too, um Brody as a senior. Uh one of his hours is he spends it with some students that have some behavior issues as a reward and they spend some time together. And uh there's just again this program I think summarizes that

136connection and [clears throat] puts it out there to where we need you. We need more help. Um because you you hear it all the time. It takes [clears throat] a community to raise a child. And I think this speaks volumes to that process. So kudos to Jamie for putting this together. And um we don't need any type of uh approval. It's just more of sharing it. And if there's any comments, concerns, um, or others, um, just wanted to >> or anybody willing to take some papers with you and distribute them, [laughter] get them out the community. >> That's what I was going to ask is I mean, from a mentorship standpoint, you've gotten a lot of engagement or I just seem to kind of >> So, this is really I just finished it last week

137on Friday. Um, and then it's launching on social media this week. So, we have some posts went on social media this week. So, it's just in the very early stages. I've had one person reply so far after last night's post. Um, but like I said, [clears throat] just getting it out. So, my thought is I would like to get some things hung up around town and the businesses and that kind of stuff to try to gauge, you know, get some interest. So, >> we had uh um this type of program in New Richmond and it was the chamber really kind of blew it up because it these local businesses have some incentive programs inside [clears throat] their companies to give back to the community. So, and you saw individuals like in New Richmond, it was

138the city administrator and he was in our one building uh one time per month eating with and he developed this close connection with one of our students um that [clears throat] didn't have a father and it was pretty neat when you see those and I think we have a great community where they want to give back. They just don't have the admin to do that and I think this will [clears throat] open up some of those opportunities. I assume somewhere in there there's like some confidentiality agreement that these mentor people need to sign like I'm just thinking like you know what I mean? Well, in a small town, >> so they won't be exposed to any of that sensitive data, right? So, they won't be exposed to testing data of any sorts, any sort of

139qualifications that these kids have as far as IEPs or special >> Oh, I don't mean like that. I'm sorry. Um, like if they want to go around town say they're mentoring kids, can they say their name openly that they're mentoring this kid and go have to sign off? >> So, the parent parent have to sign off on permission of it. So, parents are going to know that. So if you look in I did see that part the document part of it. So parents are signing off. Um as far as like a >> I think you Jordan you run into situations where you have to have those meetings to say hey this is the situation right >> um because you're you're working with individuals that want to give back and you can side and say hey

140this is the situation this needs to remain confidential. you know, there's a background check, there's some other pieces, you know, to that puzzle. Um, and to your point, we are in a small community. So, um, we'll be able to get a lot of information to say yes, they're going to be a good mentor or [snorts] let's be careful with this one based on XYZ. >> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Right. And I think too like you know this talks about like cultural sens sensitivity, respect. Um you may not share your beliefs, experiences and that kind of things with kids. Um but I also think too that when we match some of these kids, like I said, they're not going to get the whole, hey, this is the kids background. This is where they come from. It's hey,

141this kid needs a positive role model. You know, this kid's looking for a connection. Um again, you know, only that necessary stuff. And then like some of our behavior kids who also have that, those would be the ones that already on different behavior plans, already getting those needs met through different things. So, um, but yeah. >> Yeah. This is not targeted to the 2% that struggle in class. This is open to anyone because we have so many kids with different stories, you know, whether it is lack of grandparent, lack of father, lack of mother, um, whatever the case may be. Um, if we can provide a positive adult in their kids' lives, it's just one more opportunity to help that kid grow. Any questions on the program itself? [snorts] [clears throat] >> Okay, >> everybody

142good? >> Compensation though. >> All right. Um well, we've been talking from a budgetary standpoint and uh I included everything in there. Now, um we did run out of time and it does come up a couple times tonight where um unfortunately we have quite a few things going on um in many areas. Um with that staff compensation, the recommendation is in front of you. So hopefully you've been able to look at that. Um the overall if I just look at this uh paragraph uh there is a back parade back paid process uh going into this year's bannual budget we didn't know a lot of moving parts now we do know those numbers the budget is set for the next two years including this one and so I feel we're in a better position to make

143um the best effort when it comes to compensation um I am recommending 3% % for professional staff and 4% for support staff. So what does that mean? Uh 3% is um or professional staff are those individuals that have license or require a license that is reported to DBI through 122. [clears throat] Support staff is all those other individuals. Uh the reason I came up with those two numbers uh for a couple reasons. Number one, last year the district um and I applaud the board for doing that, we found a compensation um error where over 13 individuals received less compensation which is against state law and the district spent over 160,000 to make that right. uh in terms of like support staff um in terms of comparables [clears throat] there is more information that we need

144to have which I would like to do [clears throat] um this spring and with that this spring I would like to look at the comp model itself but also look at comparables in a more detailed manner I think we can all agree that 3% and 4% does not um depends on where you look um CPI and where inflation is. Um I don't want to get political, but I'm going to in terms of the labor numbers that are or not there. Um inflation is past the 3%. Uh we use CPI, which those returning board members know that there was a classification of CPI, which is no longer um part of the comp plan. Um but we need time to really look at that comp plan and see if it matches what the district uh would like

145to do in future years. With that said, um we needed to uh move on this for the sake of our staff. And so if you look at the recommendation that includes steps and lanes, um support staff increases, everything is outlined in that document, including bus drivers. And I like to put everything in one area um similar to last year. So what we're [snorts] asking or what I'm asking tonight is a re approve the recommendation um unless there are changes uh that you see um are need to be addressed which again um I would open it up to next spring when you look at our comp plan which the board we talked about my first year we were kind of looking at it in detail and said well some of these jumps just don't make a

146lot of sense. Um and there was more moving parts especially the last two years but other than that um wanted to outline the rationale behind the three and 4% um recommendation. [clears throat and cough] I guess I will also add, you know, when you look at our overall staff. Um, we can't do what we do without our support staff and what they provide. And when you look at livable wages, uh, with some of these positions, especially with where things are at in our country, um, we got to make sure that we take care of as many people as we can. We're still deficit spending, which is not a great uh situation, but in the same regard, we want to make sure that we can fill those positions when we've had some trouble filling some of

147these um support staff positions. Any questions on the recommendation? I've got a question on [clears throat] the it's not necessarily related to the recommendation but and it might not even be a topic for tonight but I would like to understand better how we determine on the extracurricular and co-curricular how those percentages are determined for each of those roles. Is there a guide that is used for that or is that responsibility oriented that we come up with those? Well, Darren, that is on my to-do list, which grows um every week. Um this is what it was at. Um I actually have gone through that process in another district. Um and it got down to where how long the length of season um we looked at every possible aspect. How many students, athletes [clears throat] do you

148typically have? length of season, what are responsibilities in season, out of season, etc. Um, I can't speak to what you're looking at. I don't know how those were formed. That is unfortunately how it was when I got here. >> Sounds like it's a to-d do makes sense. >> Yeah, [clears throat] I would agree with you that some of those um are not aligned and they don't make sense compared to others. >> Sure. The other comment [snorts] I had, I'm a bus driver section. There's a lot of caveats in there and so anytime you get caveats usually builds more caveats and so any way that we could maybe simplify that would probably behoove us in the future. Um >> I would agree. Um like when I took this position um knowing some of the the details

149I know now um I made it a goal to not [clears throat] take anybody backwards in compensation. Um I was rather surprised because some of these caveats were simply known and I [clears throat] said well where are they written down? >> Nowhere. Well they just known. >> Well it was the same with some of our policies. Well, this is what we do. Where is it written down? Well, [clears throat] nowhere. It's right here. We don't operate that way. So, um I have never seen a comprehensive list like this for a certain position, which means, you know, there's probably somebody that wrote it on a napkin downtown, right, um at one point. And I would wholeheartedly agree like you can't sit here and have something different for each situation that may arise. we have to have

150consistency. Um but again for me it was okay take these things that were practiced put it on paper and then let's address it when we look at compensation as a whole. Any other questions? [snorts] >> So, this is the recommendation. Are you asking for approval? >> I'm asking for approval so that we can do the back pay process started immediately which would then be um in time for the holiday season. Well, the Christmas holiday season. All right. Is anybody inclined to make a motion to uh entertain the compensation recommendation as presented? >> I would motion to approve the compensation recommendation as suggested. >> Is there a second to that? >> Second by Jordan. >> Any other thoughts or concerns? >> [snorts] >> Well, [clears throat] because I am who I am, I have to do

151this to myself. But so there are people, right, that are that are that would benefit from this. So I'm wondering if we should abstain have some people abstain from the voting itself. >> Yeah, I remember hearing about this before, but I want to hear >> the truth. [laughter] >> Yeah, you have a spouse in the district, you have to >> probably should abain from that. Yes. Now, this is one of the few that doesn't require excuse me, let me back up. The budget itself is the one state statute that requires a twothird vote. Uh for here, it doesn't. It just has to pass from a quorum standpoint. Now, there is some gray area like we've talked about in terms of because I think if I look at some of the relationships, >> one, two, three,

152two [laughter] >> and we would need >> Oh, I have a dog. I have two daughters, >> too. It's up to Jod and I. [laughter] >> No, I will I will say I remember hearing if it was something like over a certain percentage amount of your family's like income, >> you sure >> you wouldn't have to abstain unless >> and I don't know. I would say from a safety standpoint, Chuck, you should abstain. Steve, you should abstain. Scott should be here and Jordan should abstain. [snorts] Um, I think you're going to be fine in terms of smaller districts like this happens. You know, we have some that have five board members. You know, there's seven, there's nine. I would say the spouse is certainly probably the the main component here. Um, I have not heard

153that, but I that makes sense to me. I guess I've never looked that up. >> I heard it from the last guy, so who knows? [laughter] >> Okay. So, I'll second that. Is that where we're going with this? I'm the last man standing. >> What though? I think I'm second. >> So Derek has has made a motion. >> Jordan is rescending his secondary motion. >> Second it now. >> It will pass if three of us abstain and we have no breath. >> Right. >> Yes. Okay. Fine. [laughter] >> What do you think? >> All my feet. >> All right. Let's do it this way. All those in favor say I. >> I. Oppose say no. >> And those that abstain. >> I'll abstain. >> So when I [snorts] mark uh the three abstained and three

154yay, it says motion fails. And board. >> It says what? >> Motion fails. It's a tie. When it's three and three, it's a tie. So it doesn't What? The tie go to the chairman. >> Tie goes to the winner. I would say in this situation, [snorts] I'm going to take your word because here's here's what I would really hate to see is the fact that we don't get going on this process because of where it is. And I think from a standpoint of uh the overall compensation, if I look at whose salary is where, um I think Jordan could probably um approve or vote, excuse me, and then the other two abstain. Um >> also the fact that it's a standard, >> it's it's the it's not specific individuals, too. >> Yeah. But his point

155is true. It's a I don't know how much money you guys make exactly, but I'm assuming it's a smaller percentage. >> Yeah, smaller percentage is is what I would go from, especially if it's telling us because that software speaks to that. But again, I assumed Scott was going to be here. So, >> so we're count Jordan's vote. >> I would count Jordan's votes. >> Jordan, how do you vote? I go [laughter] astral ca >> allow you to do that. >> Never had this happen before. >> Again, I think from a standpoint of um for we understand what is at stake here. We understand and there's no objection right >> to getting this rolling um for the back pay. >> Yeah. any other ways we could exclude the spouses and then have a vote off just

156the spouses. But >> again, [clears throat] everybody's generally supportive. So, >> favor that strongly, but >> are you good in everybody's good? >> All right, motion passed. >> Yeah. All right. >> Okay. >> Transportation. Um, I just wanted to follow up with my uh text message. Uh, we received two new buses on Thursday. Uh, which is our overall transportation. Um, we have some I have some bad luck. I don't [clears throat] know what I need to uh do to get some better but four buses in literally four months. So, I put together this summary and I wanted [clears throat] the board to be kind of see where we're at. Um, if you look at the overall, and again, I wanted this on paper. If you look at the very top, the ideal bus fleet for

157Glenwood City at this time is 10 total. And that's working with Christie, eight routes, one extracurricular, one spare. Um, unfortunately we ran into somewhat of a lemon in on one of the newer buses, the 23. It's currently in Green Bay. Um, it's covered under warranty, but they do have to replace the engine. Um the rest you can see unfortunately we ran into some situation where these four uh we have three that are sold and then one that um buswise if you look at bus 11 there's quite a bit of fixes that would need to take place and what I did was I talked to Ryan I talked to Jerry our new mechanic um we talked to Mike's auto about it who we're doing some more work with and talked to Blaine Brothers and it it's

158pretty much consensus in terms of this bus uh is not worth fixing because of what you see to the right uh the mileage etc. Unfortunately, you do not get a lot of resale value when it comes to a bus. Uh with the two new buses that we have, uh we have a solid fleet. There are some things that we're working through that Jerry is uh addressing. Um so I feel good in terms of what we have. Uh we also in terms of downsized plan, we do not need this um XL wagon which is a van 15 passenger van. We did use it for tiny toppers and some delivery pieces but again that's no longer needed. So, uh, Christa [clears throat] has posted it on social media. Uh, we did have somebody show interest today and

159we'll see where they come in. We did have somebody come and look at it. If you look at, uh, Tim and I went through the other the bottom section. Um, before I get there, we are having some pretty good success in terms of our Kia staff really like um, how they drive the Prius Sport. Um, we've talked about the dump truck um and the plow truck knowing that we're uh again going to be in the same situation. So, we tried to get ahead of that with our snow removal contract. Um, but again, when you look at these buses, uh, these should have been gone a while ago or sold. Um, but thankfully we were able to get that lease approved and then the buses the turnaround was actually very quickly uh or very quick in

160terms of getting them here. Um, in terms of the bottom area, unfortunately we have a glorified golf cart in this Bobcat. Uh, the PTO is no longer fixable. And uh, I think it's a couple things. Number one, uh the just the general maintenance. Uh but number two, the PTO shaft was looked at by Hudson Bobcat and were kind of perplexed that they can't replace this PTO. >> Um it was it was weird because Tim talked to me specifically and said, "No, we don't make that anymore and you no longer can do that." And why that is um a little hard to swallow is because there's quite a bit of equipment that was not used um by the previous individual. Um but the mower, there's a broom, a snow plow um that all need that PTO

161shaft. And so right now we were having some uh power use or issues where it was having trouble just going up an incline. And [clears throat] so again, it's a pretty expensive piece of equipment, yet the attachments are now useless. And so there's further discussion on what we would like to do. I have Tim researching different options. The biggest I think uh use that we will need to address is the broom because when we have you know a dusting of snow you know you don't want to take a plow on top of your cement sidewalks etc and to come in with a broom. Um it just is more efficient. So, we're looking into a variety of things, but I think just like everything that we're looking at, um, we have to have a consistent plan

162and look at what our old machines are, whether it's buses, our vehicles, um, or the district grounds and maintenance equipment, and make sure that we are staying up to speed in terms of replacement or equipment that we use. So, nothing you have to do. I just wanted to make sure that you actually saw all the pieces of equipment for our district. Is there any questions that anybody has? Okay. Um the next one is I put together after our summary and I do need some direction. I don't need approval but I wanted to explain this. So based on our re most recent work session, I categorized everything. Uh Tim and I did have a chance to actually go through and in the one document that's attached, I highlighted the things that we can do within our

163general maintenance um department. What I did was the prioritization that the board did at the work session. I put that into this table. Um at the very bottom you can see that the overall expenditure is about 405,000. Um [clears throat] based on talking with Mark and Johnson, talking with Wolves, you should add another 25% based on engineering architecture etc. So we're looking at about 56,000 of the prioritization that the board came up with at the work session. What I need some direction is is we need to start having these conversations right now with uh Marvin and Johnson or W uh [clears throat] to move forward. So I want to explain the financial um I would say outlets that would be available. So I'm just going to go down the list here. Fund 10, our fund

164balance is at 29% or 2.7 million or policy as we've talked about is 20%. So the difference there is roughly 858,000 which we talked about uh and Derek did some of that math last time. Fund 80 which we know has been an issue in terms of we can't use those funds except for certain things that fund balance is at 836,000 um and again can only be used for community type of expenditures. fund 38. This is the one that you have the ability to borrow up to 1 million without going to a referendum. Um, as you know, this was utilized um in terms of um I wanted to make sure that I had the summary which I think I forgot, but we pay roughly 67,000 uh annually, which again is really small compared to where we're

165at. uh we have the ability to borrow um so I should have had the final amount which is roughly around 600,000 uh 600 and um in terms of what remains which was the football field and so forth. So I apologize for missing that number. Uh fund 39 is our bond referendum that was taken out in 2016 that is currently at 5 or 5 million roughly. Um, typical payment for this bond is 655,000. And as you know, based on our revenue cap sheet and could putting the uh levy to where you wanted it, uh we are making somewhat of a double payment uh to get that down. Fund 46 is currently at 4,000. We left it there just to make sure that it's open. Um this was rather disappointing but I wanted to make sure that

166you were aware there is discussion that the state um you know it they were touting the budget to have special ed reimbursement uh a certain percentage was which was in the 30s uh they are now projecting that that's going to be 7% less than what they projected and that's a significant number um I don't have the number in front of me in terms of what that was for us um because it's projected at this point. Um, so we'll see. This actually just started to come out and so I uh included uh a link to a uh news article uh because I wanted to find out more. Um we talked about, you know, reasons of why we have uh deficit spending. We've talked about that. uh the audit recommendations were at these amounts in the next

167couple years and just taking in fact that restitution is not accounted for in this budget. So, I wanted to outline where the funding mechanisms um exist and then you kind of give me the yay or nay that you want to move forward with this list to at least get numbers from WS and Parker and Johnson. The only thing that I added was we talked about this which you're going to be asked to approve. We talked about this uh the PA system. Uh [clears throat] Jamie and Frank and I have been meeting um consistently on technology. I meet with Frank once a month anyway. Um but we're looking at from a standpoint of our Prometheians and our laptops. Uh we are all over the place in terms of equipment and to Chuck's point earlier in the

168meeting, we have to make sure we give our staff the right resources and unfortunately we have a variety of staff that are still working from a desktop which means they don't have flexibility to take it home to continue. You cannot do this job in the 8 to 3, you know, 3:45. It just is not possible. And so one of the things that I added to our list is if we can jump on this. And actually this quote uh we just did this this last year. We got half of our professional staff with laptops and this number came in lower. They're actually cheaper than they were just a year ago. So um I'm just looking again. I don't need formal approval but does this list um I just took what you guys had prioritized and then

169um we can talk later about these funding mechanisms but obviously there is some flexibility that is outlined above here to pay for that roughly 500,000. Do you think generally these go in order of priority? Like we prioritize using fund 10 fund balance to draw that down and then if we do have other extenduating budget circumstances, we would look at some of those other options. >> Yeah, I didn't put these in any particular order. I simply went through and took what you guys were the funding bucket options. >> Oh, the bucket. No, I did not put that in any order because it's it's a little bit it's confusing because there's definitely some mechanisms that you know tie in um especially when you're looking at the fund 80 fund balance of 836 depends on some of these

170um projects. What could we pull out in terms of fund 80? Um I think it is comfortable saying that if you have the ability of 858,000 again um we have not ran the budget for next year but if we're deficit spending this year um we have to be careful but still 9% on the fund balance is some pretty good flexibility. >> [clears throat] [snorts] >> And I think in the master list or whatever, did you and and oh what's new name Tim? >> Y >> kind of go through what we think we can do internally. So I guess now if we kind of pull that out of here and we pull this list out >> kind of the referendum. If you look at the other attachment, um there is a Tim and I went through

171here and I just highlighted we were actually categorizing based on referendum based on things that we can do for um general maintenance. And so we went through in all the highlighted areas. I didn't total it up, but there's definitely a lot of those items that they shouldn't be categorized as third party. >> We can do them internally. >> Yeah, >> I didn't have time to, you know, break it up just based on a meeting on the piece with 13th, I think it was. But um again, I'm I'm just looking at do we want to start engaging Wald and Margaret and Johnson with this list. You're not committing to anything, but there's work that needs to be done, especially during the holidays to put it on their radar. >> I would say yes. >> Prioritize, right?

172Because then when it comes down to overall cost again the 25 or 25% is just it's a guess. >> Yeah, I would say yes. And in terms of even the prioritization of the spending, right, we'd want to pull out anything for fund 80 because we've got no intended purpose for that on the money. you want to prioritize any of those first, get that money used and then general fund would be the second priority. >> Yeah. So again, I'm hearing thumbs up in terms of just engage um marketing Johnson and Wolf who has been our partner to say what is this going to cost and get some really hardcore cost in front of the board. So, one of these issues, the biggest one of the biggest one on here is the uh the elephants in the

173tech room. Now, Walt was instrumental in installing that system. >> Um, do we how how do I guess you'll figure it out? You will understand what I'm saying. I'm like, this was theirs to begin with. Why? know where they're going to >> well they we've already had that discussion and they kind of threw it back at me and I said well you can't do that cuz I wasn't here so you can't do that >> I feel like they really failed with that [clears throat] they dropped it big time >> yeah and what they told me Chuck was well here's what our discussion was and I'm like I I okay tell me and so >> they sold us on that like nobody's business that was going to take care of it. >> So they told me

174that it was the water line, it was digging up the pavement, it was the sprinkler system, and it's like, okay, but the shortterm and again [clears throat] I >> they designed a system that does not work. Yes. >> And I don't know what that I don't know what dust collection has to do with fire suppression. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> But >> I'm not stuck with wool. I mean, this is my first um go at Wool. I worked with different architects in the past. If there is >> I think I'm happy with Wool, but I think they need to dig a little deeper or find somebody sub that is helpful or an expert or something. >> Well, I'll say this two or three, >> right? >> Well, they'll [clears throat] do that as part of

175the process. Not the Yeah, the all the subcontractors will follow that type of bidding process, but the architecture, you know, typical schools, they go with what they know. >> Um whether that's right or wrong, uh I don't know. I mean, I would ask the board members, are you happy with W? There's nothing that [clears throat] is [snorts] concerning to me, right? I would agree with you, Chuck. They dropped the ball. And when we sat in some of these meetings where it's like, "Let's fix this." I have a teacher that goes home and blows black crap out of his nose on a daily basis and the doors open and errands running around because the the fire alarm is going off and >> it just there's too many issues. >> Yeah. What is the point of having

176an alarm system and security door if [laughter] the 20 yards that way is the door open? A big garage door. You can drive your car right in there. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise, and if it's not open, it's unusable. I think it's just ridiculous that they put us in this position. >> Well, I would say so. Uh Tom McQue, who was my welding, he ran the welding academy that is no longer in New Richmond. And I had him come as just an acquaintance of mine when we were having issues with it. And he looked at that and it took him literally five minutes and said, "What are you doing?" >> So, so they'll figure it out, but I just need to get my confidence back in that area. the rest I've been I think >> and

177I will definitely pass on to them that you know the board um yeah you sold the board on this and it doesn't work what are we going to do? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So more information to come on that. >> Yeah. >> Um in part of that, sorry, is there any other questions as part of that uh prioritization and I I did outline this to the the staff today. Um and they had the same reaction as you guys did when I said if the any part of this PA system fails, we have to go to eBay. >> [clears throat] >> um they had the same reaction as you did the first time like okay that's we all know that secondary parts is what eBay does. So um Frank has done an extensive amount of

178work getting quotes and bids and so forth. So you will see Frank's uh recommendation to move forward. Um it's a rather large um number but in the same regard this is safety. This is our bell system. this is attached to our phone system. Um is just it's truly a priority and we're on borrowed time unfortunately. So unless you have questions um I can speak more to it if you have any but >> makes sense to me. I would make a motion to approve the recommendation Frank as printed. >> All right. There's a motion on the table from Derek. Do I have a second? Seconded, >> second by Chuck. [laughter] >> Any further discussion or questions? >> Hearing all those in favor say I. >> I. Say no. [clears throat] >> All right. And the last

179one is um I have this on the agenda just from a standpoint of um I didn't want to have close session. So in the administrative content because it's protected under legal um conversations uh that is the final number that is being talked with in terms of with uh Tim Johnson's lawyer for plea agreement. The restitution number was uh through the number of phone [snorts] calls, conference calls, etc. uh between Trevor, myself and the DA. Uh we have now narrowed that number down. Um just as close as Friday uh there was a new subpoena list that came out and some of the individuals don't know about it. Um but it was shared with me and so I wanted to make sure that uh that was um I I don't think the courts sometimes communicate in the

180uh fashion that they should. Um but I just wanted to provide that update. Um the trial is still set for the 21st through the 23rd and basically everything has to be agreed upon in terms of subpoenas etc by the middle of December. So there's no other update. Just wanted to make sure that that was communicated. >> So if the trial happens he can't go to be. >> No. [clears throat] Sorry. That's the least of my worries. >> You're like, you know, you're on like a lot of years in the world going. >> Yeah. Well, that you don't get level two [laughter] level four. >> I've only missed one. >> It's okay. Got to do what you got to do. >> Yep. >> All right. [clears throat] Any questions? >> So, I guess like right now,

181does it look like it's going to court? >> Is that allowed to court? >> Pam wrote me Um, and I can't share it on the screen. Um, but I will tell you that uh based on how the subpoena list has changed, that was my interpretation uh that oh, the plea must be uh not agreed upon. And she said, "No, that's not the case. They're still having those conversations. Everything has to be further approved by the due date of mid December. And so yes, the it's still a 50/50 chance of going to a trial or being settled out of court, but the court to me the plea is a combination of jail time, 3 to 5 years, and the restitution amount that you see. Uh if I do get a records request for that, I will

182not share because it's still part of uh the overall uh court, but at some point that's going to be made public. But I wanted to make sure that [clears throat] my meetings were on record for you to see how I got to those numbers. Anything else? All right. There are no communications. Correct. Okay. Uh and our next meeting uh will be on December 15th. >> Yep. So that's >> 6 p.m. 6 p.m. >> Steve 6 p.m. >> 6 p.m. I will likely have >> you forgot that we change the time. >> All right. Anything else on as far as meetings? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So motion. >> I have a second. >> I'll second that. >> Second by Jordan. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. >>

183We are. >> [clears throat] >> Yeah. The first couple days >> I noticed it the first time it was posted and I was like [laughter] >> I was like I don't know what it's supposed to be. >> Then I saw it again. I was like probably