GBAPSD Board of Education Meeting: March 17, 2025

001[Music] okay we're good to go um first of all not a lot of green in this room tonight but there's a sea of beautiful gbea blue yay okay welcome everybody happy St Patrick's Day and Welcome to our regular board meeting for March 17 2025 um first we'll start with a roll call kiny Becker here McCoy here LLY here Mills here gerlock here Crossen here Lee um c will not be able to join us tonight okay we are joined at the table by two students from icsc can you guys please introduce yourselves hello my name is Andre Sora and I'm a senior at pral high school and I'm the Green Bay in City student council president hello my name is Wendy Ras and I'm a freshman at West High School well welcome thanks for joining us

002will you all please rise for the pledge flag of the United States of America and to the stands naice all right would someone like to read the mission statement please we educate all students to be college career and Community ready inspired to succeed in our diverse world thank you Brian and for the land acknowledgement statement we the members of the Green Bay Area Public School District recognize and honor the original inhabitants of Northeast Wisconsin our district lives works and learns upon the ancestral homelands of the monomon and Ho Chunk Nation and the current homeland of United Nation we acknowledge the 12 diverse and vibrant Wisconsin First Nations who have persevered here since before recorded time and continue to be integral parts of our community we haveh hold our responsibility to repair relationships initiate Partnerships and

003stand with all First Nation communities okay okay we're going to move on to open Forum um first we're going to hear from our in in City student council members all right so first we have east and their girls soccer is starting during spring break and then we also have that their track season has started and then the Muslim Student Association had a festive Feast lunch fundraiser and then at John Dey we have one student qualified for forensic State um their school dance was successful five students went to National History Day state in Madison on May 3rd and P and Claus class made a connection with a barn I don't think that's right and travel to a bar to make enrichment pieces for the animal all right and then over at Preble they had their NHS

004bake sale 20 Deca students made it to State and 11 are going on to Nationals in Orlando Florida there were 444 high honoral students and 325 honorable students last semester six students are going to state for forensics the academic to cathlon team finished third in their division one category and sixth overall at the state competition and the team also won state speech and interview championship for State Hockey Hannah vanon Hayden won the state championship with the Ice Bears hockey team for skills USA four students placed at the state competition Solon Ensemble there were 62 State qualifier instances for the vocal event there were 90 instrumental and 42 for orchest orchestra um preble's marketing C Class created a chick-fil-et marketing campaign and presented their agency projects to a panel of judges and then also it's the

005start of spring Sports season the show choir had their last competition last week in Jamesville and then they placed 5th and then the Preble 5K is taking place on May 10th for Southwest the choir concert is tomorrow and the band swing bling took place last week raised a lot of money for the music department the first track meet is Tuesday March 18 at at uo the king of Troy was successful the Sol successful the Esports team took fourth in the state in the Mario Kart Championship um at West for forensic members qualified for State all forensic members sorry uh the Cinderella musical was successful performance the spring sports are starting the academic award ceremony is this Wednesday during advisory West ICC representatives were in West students in the spotlight for March newsletter the FCCLA is

006sending four students to the state championship the FBLA is sending one student for State um Junior Prom and Senior ball is on April 5th in the Riverside Ballroom National Honor Society ceremony is April 17 and that's all we have for today okay all right thank you guys um next is our public forum now if you are interested in speaking at podium you have to fill out one of these pink sheets uh I only have one so if more of you want to speak um um now would be the time to uh fill one out and get that to Kinsey so but other than that um Miss Mr Brent Bergstrom Bren Bergstrom 3984 Woodland Green Bay my name is Brent Bergstrom my pronouns are he him his and I'm a music educator and proud product of

007the Green Bay Area Public Schools currently serving as the Green Bay Education Association president representing over 1300 of our education staff we the members of GBA are here to do what we do best and that is educate these are unprecedented times but what much of the general public may not realize is that we are not optimistic of our legislators doing the right thing for our kids time and time again they have funneled money out of public schools which 90 to 95% of students across the country attend to fund private vulture schools instead with our public dollars it's time for communities to stand up against this destructive pattern and as we wait we recommend the school board wait on freezing any riters until we see a budget passed by the state legislature even though we are

008regularly facing a massive deficit our district is doing the best they can with continued inadequate funding when matched for inflation capital for public schools F Falls below what it should have been in 2009 that's 16 years ago our community needs to start pointing fingers at the legislators in Madison who are responsible for underfunding our public schools and stealing money to pay for private vultures special education in the 2324 school year was reimbursed at 29% for public schools that 90 to 95% of students attend while the vulture schools were reimbursed at 90% with little to no accountability make it make sense now further threats Loom over our heads to take away Federal funding they're prepared to use every distraction to divide and separate us billionaires like Elon Musk don't want us to work together there's a

009reason their work is rooted in division when we're divided we are weaker and the rich get richer our current funding models are not what's best for public education the funding is about division and privatization it's about attempting to keep our communities uneducated so they cannot fight for themselves against fascists and billionaires follow the money the Department of Education accounts for 4% of all federal funding percent to educate all of the country's youth which seems like a pretty low investment on our future we will not let fear and division win our community trusts us with their kids our kids all day every day trust the Educators when we say the funding that the state is failing to provide to serve our kids isn't working it is a broken and outdated funding formula from wait for it

0101993 about 32 years ago when I was in third grade at Keller Elementary which is now closed partially due to declining enrollment but more accurately due to stagnant funding by the state legislature we know smaller class sizes more resources and highly qualified and skilled staff improves our learning outcomes and our district continually works hard to try and provide that and more with much much less tonight you also look at our updated benefit plan which puts more financial strain on our staff across the district thanks once again to the state legislature and profiting Private health insurance and big pharmaceutical companies there are more uh things coming while the GBA was involved in these discussions We Stand adamantly against the changes with the realizations are tied we understand the rationale but we cannot continue to accept constant

011Financial strain on the backs of all education St staff across the district we realize this fight is bigger than the district and it is my hope that our community comes together for our students and families so please write call email knock on your legislator's door regularly demanding we adequately fund public schools by by passing 's budget which is still inadequate but UPS it to a 60% reimbursement special education rate in public schools public school families should be fuming at the inequity of funding for our kids make it make sense I beg the board the district the union and our community to rise together and fight for funding public schools because we know when we fight we win when we fight when we fight we're not backing down thank you thank you okay if no one

012else wants to speak I'm just gonna check one more time okay um we're going to move on now to the superintendent update did I do that or did you do that oh shoot okay thank you thank you Miss McCoy um again we're going to focus on the portrait of a graduate as we go through some of the wonderful things that have happened in the district over the last um week beginning with under academic Achievers there was a literacy showcase at Chapel Elementary where elected officials were um joined were invited to join um Chris warten the principal over at Chapel and David Johns who facilitated an amazing opportunity for the legislators to get into some classrooms and you see really really good work um the teachers were amazing U that I couldn't say enough about the

013experience um watching the faces of the state legislators as they saw the lessons firsthand and uh David gave them specific things to look for U and then did a followup uh debrief afterwards and the feedback from the state legislatures was very positive also under academic Achievers on the left sixth graders at D Vinci in Mr Dennis's class had wind up toy races after they discussed potential and kinetic energy they made simple circuits which included batteries wire a motor a fan and a switch and on the right hand side those are Dodie fourth graders they've been learning about chain reaction and the transfer of energy and were able to do an activity to put it to a test can you tell what that is can you can you tell what that is eggs second graders at

014mccul um they have chicken eggs and they've been incubating for the last 21 days and the eggs are just now starting to hatch you can actually live stream this um they're live streaming it right now and if you are curious go to their YouTube page uh you can find the link on their Facebook page the McCulla Elementary Facebook page um might even be hatching as we speak nobody's gonna watch our meeting on the leftand side uh our director of food service Lynette Kino and I and um a couple of the family engagement coordinators met with some parents to discuss ways to improve our school lunches for our student population it was a really great meeting we met at the library on the east side of town um really great discussion learning more about how we

015can make improvements to what we're offering our students so that it's more like what they get at home as a result of that meeting lynnette's going to form a advisory committee with those parents and help them understand the constraints that we have in food service for our our children but then also create menus for our students based on what they learned on the right hand side langl students and families collected over 8,000 items for the help the homeless homeless Drive last year uh they had collected about 4,800 so the principal challenged the students and families and Community to beat that amount and they did how cool is this okay this happened today about two weeks ago and this is under the um portrait of a graduate communicators and connectors I received a letter on the

016right hand side from a third grader at MacArthur um she noticed that some of her classmates were hungry during the day and showing empathy she wondered if we could brainstorm help uh get them food and between lunchtime and the end of the day um so I brought Lynette with me and we met her and her classmates today to talk about what can we what could we do as a school Community to help our students under personal Architects uh you had already mentioned this one the the DECA one on the left hand side U actually it's both pictures um I've had the privilege of being a part of the judging committee for this Deca event they do it every year the students choose what uh business out in the community community they would like to do

017a marketing campaign for and then they have three teams compete and uh the judge include mayor genrich uh and this year it included a um marketing specialist from the Packers it was high intensity for these students and they were absolutely remarkable we have so much to be proud of under leaders and teammates uh this is our staff uh over the last couple of weeks staff from across the district have been not just going the conference leading presentations so this past week members from our technology department attended brainstorm the brainstorm conference three of them including Amy over here presented at the conference representing the great work that takes place by members of our department Green Bay was also represented represented at the Wisconsin education technology leaders Clinic other districts shared their appreciation for the vast representation

018Green Bay had at the event we're thankful to those that attended that represented our Librarians technology integrators and family engagement teams the team sent the following message Green Bay is a great place to work and serve thank you for allowing us to represent the wonderful members of our team on the bottom right we are seeing positive results academically uh from our students and it's been a long time since we've been able to say that um and it's it's from the hard work of our teachers and administrators at the schools who are making a difference in the classroom that bottom right picture is a group of district teachers and admin who created and facilitated presentations at the mid school math National Conference in Santa Santa Fe last week over 350 Educators from Across the Nation were

019able to learn from Green Bay Educators continuing under leaders and teammates uh a team of greenb area public school district teachers attended the Wisconsin Council for social studies this weekend in Madison our teachers attended sessions where they worked with state legislators on social studies advocacy they gained instructional engagement strategies and learned how to incorporate First Nations black history and Asian-American History into our curriculum there were two Green Bay Area Public School District staff members that presented in these sessions in the first session teaching Beyond Black History Month they presented in collaboration with African-American Jewish friendship group and a Madison metropolitan school district teacher their portion was on how green Area Public School District vetted and adopted a comprehensive instructional resource that included multiple perspectives on events throughout history from our Universal Secondary School social studies

020curriculum in the second session titled hold in the cheese how do you make resource Fidelity engaging uh they tackled the why behind us utilizing high quality instructional materials and on the right um still under leaders and teammates last week um thank you Mr Cross and I through for the invitation and the um allowing me the opportunity to meet these two gentlemen Jason and D from the men's group referred to in the article on the right hand side this is a group that meets in Green Bay um I think weekly uh for adult men in the community Gathering Place um where they can just share and grow and learn together and uh this opened an opportunity for us as a district to collaborate with them to make an impact for our students I'm looking forward to

021that work and uh there'll be more to come under empowered Navigators one of our singers from the together we uh our W video from the beginning of the year Neil at Washington he uh was the lead one of the leads in the play last weekend Anastasia and he invited me to come and listen to it um he played Dimitri the he's got a great voice and the lead Anastasia was absolutely amazing so congratulations to the Washington performers and then on the fourth grade uh on the right the fourth graders at doie sharpened their practical skills by going to bark Housen and learning how to tap trees and then lastly uh I I wanted to share I think i' mentioned to the board before but that's AJ gmer he is currently the chief technology officer and

022co-founder of lunar Outpost he's a Southwest graduate and he started this company in 2017 he was recently asked to provide some encouraging words for our students back here in Wisconsin and he said as for words of encouragement for me it has all been about perseverance when we started lunar Outpost in in 2017 I never could have guessed the challenges we'd have to overcome and how long it would take you're not in control of the problems you'll face but you can control how you respond to them dreams are worth pursuing even if they take longer than expected so his company uh was part of the the launch last week U it wasn't successful his part his equipment was successful the rest not so great but um we're really proud of AJ and uh we look forward

023to him coming back to Green Bay to share his experiences with us and that concludes thank you thank you Vicki okay um next is our legislative update right a lot of what I was going to say was covered earlier with the um public forum section so um I made a couple key points once again on the proposed budget by Governor iers uh includes increasing special education funding reimbursement to 60% of the cost which doubles the current it uh reimbursement but it's still below the 90% it concludes I'm sorry it includes an additional one $3.15 billion in public education across the board puts another $300 million in funds to get let out of service lines water fountains and Child Care Centers more than $60 million increase for technical colleges and increases the $325 per student increase

024in the first year and uh to 345 in the second year this money is money that's being spent locally as well you know as our budget goes it's 80 Angie I'm hoping I'm right it's about 80% 85% pay which stays in the community all these people out here spend their money locally and it has a direct investment within our community so it makes sense besides the right thing to obviously fund public education fully it helps all of the local communities and the whole state is impacted by it so um while we can't encourage people to contact people Governor Z's budget will need assistance going forward so I hope anyone listening sees that and continues to support public education our schools in our state right has there been any budget listing sessions scheduled yet that you

025know of not that I know of but I'm sure we can find them they'll be coming I'm sure all right thank you um next um we're going to uh Kale's going to join us at the table and we're going to get an update on the cleanup energy advisory committee it's okay if it's brief thank you um so this was our first uh meeting since the uh recommendation addressing the res resolution um was passed um it was uh overall kind of re-engaging the group and trying to look uh forward on um next steps for this team um so we're inviting some guests in at our next meeting uh looking potentially to survey um our community student staff to see what they would like to see outcomes of this committee um as well as tracking and and

026monitoring uh prog progress towards uh the goals set U for the resolution okay yep and um for the board we do um have meetings scheduled now monthly moving forward um and that's when we'll be meeting okay does anyone have any questions for kale okay thank you all right we're moving on to discussion on items um and that the first the only item on discussion is um status of Katherine Johnson Academy of enrich enriched virtual learning and that will be David John's good evening board and student leaders I'm here tonight to uh share some additional information uh that was requested from the board last time um when he opened up this conversation about uh KJ Academy um it's organized for you to support your discussion about uh three options that are presented for you for consideration

027um I'll start with um again that the intent this evening is to continue the discussion and that would move us into April as well um ultimately with an opportunity for a decision uh in the second board meeting in April provided for you in the memo is uh background on the history of KJ how it came to be um uh after covid and after uh most students returned to inperson classrooms this um being built as a school and an option for families uh to continue virtual learning um the uh initial enrollment in KJ included students that um uh went beyond our district but very soon after the opening of KJ um State policies changed which allowed us only to serve students within our own District at KJ I'll point out tonight um as an expanded um

028piece from what I shared last uh well it was last week um that when the future of KJ came up for the board's consideration um over a year ago the uh commitment from the KJ staff um and it was an admirable one was to really uh want to make sure that the community understood that KJ could serve beyond the initial group of students who were enrolled there as permanent students and were very quick to uh adapt and shift programming to meet the needs who were enrolled there for shorter periods of time uh sometimes as alternative placements um sometimes due to periods of um movement within their life whether it was uh to be visiting um someone overseas to be traveling the the opportunity to stay engaged in a learn as a learner at KJ was

029because of the the way the staff adapted and flex so when um you review the enrollment data you'll notice this um various various enrollment numbers you'll notice a total number of students served which is inclusive of the um plus or minus the the the ins and the outs of a program that um again adapted and evolved to serve students Beyond a core group who were there uh for the completed year you'll notice that um there's enrollment data provided for uh students who were enrolled by the third for Friday count that's a critical count for us as it relates to um State funding and our enrollment based decision making you'll notice a enrollment figure for students that were enrolled at the end of the school year and then since KJ began year-over-year um additional grades were

030added moving all the way up to what is now a program that serves k through eight so nine grade levels of students are served and you'll see um enrollment data as a really just the math problem of total number of of students divided across the grade levels that were served what I've also chosen to share with you um and I believe is a compelling uh shift in um KJ's enrollment Trends is the um the ways in which the Middle School enrollment has grown now that's grown for a few reasons many of those middle school students were with KJ from the very beginning um there are 23 students currently at KJ who were there when the program um started in 212 so naturally they're aging through the program um the increase in middle school students is

031also a reflection of um again how KJ uh positioned themselves to serve the needs for students who were in some temporary um placements as well so that's the data presented to you um 2425 data is just to date um and is a program again that we have shared um frequently enrolls students for short periods of time for a variety of reasons um you'll see that that's just showing uh enrollment data through 31125 which was which was last week some projections for 25 26 are really just rolling those numbers forward so an assumption there is that all of the students who are currently there would roll forward we don't know how many garders would enroll um we don't know what additional new numbers we would get so I just want to be real clear on that

032that is just a that is just a mathematical rollover of those numbers for you questions around um marketing KJ within our district and I I think there's a couple ways to think about KJ when it comes to marketing um there's the opportunity to pitch and promote KJ as a school as a place where a student would unenroll from one of our schools and reenroll in KJ because again the only way to be served at KJ is to be a a green bayed student another way to think about the marketing would be to make sure that people are clear that KJ exists also to serve students uh for shorter periods of time as well and so what we've shared with you here is the history of the marketing approaches to make sure that as many people

033as possible are aware um of KJ and its offerings throughout our district you'll notice a shift in the marketing approach becoming much more internal um uh when we were no longer to Ser able to serve students from outside of the district so I'll pause there just with the data and information that was requested happy to um answer any additional questions if I can David I know you've mentioned it before but there was a shift from the state on being able to open enroll students into online schools right about the end of covid am I correct I'm G to let Vicki feel that one as it preceded my time here that's correct corre uh they allowed flexibility during covid and then when Co ended they closed it from out of district is it uh premature for

034me to ask questions about the options option one two and three I'm happy to just speak briefly to each of the options and then we can go with questions to them any any other questions to go ahead I know we keep talking about the population being the reason the main reason the number of kids attending this being the reason why we want to shut this down um question that I still have is what is the break even Point as far as population of students to attend that that that option that would make it worth considering keeping open and then also I guess because I went and visited that school the day after the last board meeting last week to see personally what is going on with that W in that school I personally saw a

035great deal of energy and I didn't tell anybody I was coming there so they didn't prepare themselves for a board member to show up um I saw commitment I saw uh energy on both sides with the students and with those teachers um yeah it was a it was it's a different environment you've got kids who are in their pajamas you can see things going on in the background but there was intense monitoring those kids who were there had a lot of one-on-one teacher engagement so they knew what those kids were doing they could see their screens and what these kids were doing and weren't doing and I saw things and I know that I'm still looking for the data that says about their scores but you would expect kids to have lower scores in because

036of this particular environment so you're not necessarily seeing you know honor students taking this option um so to and I know we haven't talked about the scores of these kids being another reason to shut this school down but um we got to talk about what the expectations are down to each kid level I saw I heard reasons why these kids had opted to go into a virtual learning space a lot of it centered around social emotional learning issues anxiety issues uh some kids were had had medical illnesses that prevented them from from going to a regular school and and and the kids themselves told me why they were it feeling to be in a better place than to be put in a public school in these options I'm not hearing any kind of a transition

037plan for these kids who have these issues and these concerns to put them back into an environment that they've already said they can't function in or they function less efficiently in could be catastrophic for those kids so I what I'm saying is maybe this particular school has to we have to value or or consider evaluating the the value of this school maybe differently than than population total number of kids um and then in some cases some of these kids are are it's it's known that they're not going to be in it long term it's it's a transition it's a school that's that has them in there for a short period of time so we know the population's not going to grow um and then I Al there if we're if we're carefully marketing it internally

038as an option that has to be evaluated there I put some criteria on I mean I wouldn't make it like an open enrollment type of scenario there would be some criteria that we all would establish you guys would come to us and say here here's what it would take or here would be the criteria for consideration for admittance of a child into this particular learning option and then that then could be managed I would think but um as I look at these options they seem very close to the same sort of thing close the academy close the academy freeze and roll freeze enrollment um when I look at options to consider I would consider I guess a broader Spectrum not crazy wide but just a slightly broader spec Spectrum than than these three options that

039I'm looking at here I that's what I would be looking for I guess that's all I have to say about about that I I just saw good things coming out of that my first initial emotional response was this is a good thing and um and we better come up if if we're going to close it we had better come up with something as good or better than the option that we're doing right now sure go ahead VI to uh financially sustain the school um would want to see 25 students in each of the classrooms like we have in our other elementary schools uh that would bring the total enrollment up to 225 uh and what I like about what you said is that this this is a unique School in that it meets the needs

040of students that desperately need something different than a conventional classroom we identify that and I think when David gets to option three you're going to hear that that um we're not interested in closing a school and then just throwing children back into an environment where they couldn't succeed initially um there are options and I think three will spell that out any other questions at this point okay go ahead David okay thank you I'll touch on the options um and then uh continue the conversation from there um option one is um is as you said Mr crosson very narrow and clear and that is to um close KJ Academy beginning uh as soon as next school year um what is described in there is a general approach to returning students to uh their home attendance area

041um or a or a different school if um um the nature of concern is related to the home attendance area that would be a situation we would work individually with families for um that is a a narrowly defined and the most would be the most current option there the second option um uh freezes the enrollment and delay that by one year to be able to again support uh families in a one or twoyear uh return to school including partial returns to be able to support students uh to move back into the comprehensive School setting um in maybe smaller doses than all all at once for for all day option three um is actually quite um informed by um a lot of The Correspondents that I've received and that you've received and that is is to

042um reimagine KJ not as much as a school but as a program and to recognize that KJ has the potential um uh as its namesake to really um innovate um and explore beyond the defined boundaries and so there are some things that go along with calling it a school that actually limit it to some extent um thinking about it as a program opens up opportunities to think about students being co-enrolled in a home neighborhood school but potentially being served through KJ for anywhere up to a full day but also for shorter periods of time that would be defined less about a student moving in and out of KJ in the ways that we do it now but um a student who possibly takes um math and language arts virtually and then takes PE art and

043music in a in a Traditional School setting it would it would allow for that if we um worked with it as a co-enrolled program the other direction it allows us to move into is um the secondary space and recognizing that uh We've made a commitment to build out online learning experiences for our um secondary students particularly our high school students and in envisioning KJ as a program then it really becomes the hub for all things virtual in our district it becomes individualized and supportive for students who need it the most and it becomes a viable option for our high school students especially to take courses that aren't readily available to them within their schools that are consistent with um our thriving student body uh uh strategic planning priority and that is really to create as

044many Pathways as possible for our students based on their career interests and participation so um option three opens up all of that it would have to be done with a thorough committed year of EXP exp ation and development as we would phase out KJ as a school and reopen it as a program um thank you um I trying to pick my draw up off the floor here um I I don't think anyone's really serious about option one or option two they're they're not those aren't really options and I I don't I don't think we really meant them I think they're there if you know I think we know that probably this isn't where the board was headed anyways um it it sounds good right uh re reimagine it and make it something for everybody and

045make it something bigger um and I'm sorry and I know it's a lot of of this is history of people that came before me but people change and good people get into spots and good people are in spots right now but historical inertia doesn't change and reimagining something into something new reimagining is not something and getting outside the box is not something that we're very strong at here historically we have things that were great right we built John Dey which is amazing we built um we built the uh NW school which is an amazing option um and we we built KJ and it's going to sound great to say let's reimagine this into a program but there's nothing I heard nothing here that we can't we don't have to detach it from its identity as

046a school to co- enroll we co- enroll all the time right we have students taking classes at a couple different schools regularly um what what I think you have here is if you do this even with option three you're going to cut the you're going to cut the heart out of the program and maybe some amount of more kids will get involved but it's important that this has an identity as a school too I don't think most people want to spend their whole K you know K12 with online learning although if if they do I want them to do it here in a school with with a name that they're part of instead of being the other instead of being the oh yeah um one of the one of the seven Franklin kids that's on

047online right going to be one of the one of the 28 middle school kids that are at KJ or 42 or however many I I think it would be a tragic mistake here to do this we're going to we will lose people who are benefiting from this who won't believe they're going to get the same thing somewhere else and ident and identity identity is really important the identity of a school is really important and if we are going to make it a program which I I I think I think the expansion elements are great but it should stay at school um if you're going to say it's going to save the money then that's still money that we're cutting out of this online school and it's not going to be able to to function the

048same and you know we I I always thought that we were pretty Progressive about making a commitment to people and using the benefit of our size to develop things for people that for students that aren't thriving in other environments and are looking for something different and I'm just shocked that we would get rid of this um again I'm not I'm not saying don't do the things in do some of these expansion things you can do that I think we should do that but I I think it would be a horrendous mistake you will you will lose people out out of the school system alog together you will lose people to private school to home school you will lose people to other districts some will try some will try this new format where they're attached to

049a school but they'll be despite everyone's best intentions they'll be one of oh there'll be one of the Seven online kids at that school despite everyone's best intention to include them they will still be an other and an a out group and why do that when something is when something is working and um there's there's a lot of there's a lot of things I would cut before I would do do this we got Brian and James has been waiting a long time and then we'll go to Lynn I understand what you're saying Andrew and and on a lot of the things I agree with you but I think this is a great opportunity for kids that don't want to enroll full-time in an online thing and I see a lot of times with middle school

050students that have had um they reive programming in different areas and it the online aspect has helped them refocus on either academ iics or their social emotional challenges or behavior concerns that have come up and it's given them that opportunity to return into a traditional school if they like if they want to I think I appreciate the the secondary the secondary schills emphasis on this because it does present an option for our high school students to continue to take classes that they may or may not have had at their high school and those middle school students to to have that opportunity in there so I appreciate the effort that's gone into this I can see how it could actually expand the program with it um I think it's a serious investment for us um and

051Andrew I appreciate I I don't have nearly the historical perspective as a board member here but I'm hoping that we continue to move forward on it and I I appreciate what you've said about in the past where we've had things that may not have happened with that I'm I'm hoping and I have faith in our leadership to hopefully continue to to build the program but I appreciate the the option of at least looking forward to it and seeing if we can expand and include other spots on it I could also Envision this as being helping students that may end up at one of our more um I'll say restrictive settings get options for us to focus on the academic part while they can work on behavior and policy compliance and other options as well within

052it so I think it creates more options for us so thank you James yeah thank you um so Rick asked a question about Break Even um a little while ago and I need a little bit more as we evaluate our options um a deeper dive into the answer um I recognize that optimally this enrollment would match that of other schools but I don't accept that necessarily as a break even point because the costs associated with running a brick and mortar Elementary School onsite presence I think is drastically different than the virtual learning environment that is stood up at KJ so as we evaluate these options and we look at that break even point I'd like a little bit more information about you know that answer and um and including ay do do these kids ever

053come on site on mass um where we have to provide the monitoring and the U the par support and and the auxiliary um resources um and have we ever had 25 kids in a classroom um at KJ and I I don't think we have even at its peak but I'd like that answer as well thanks James anybody go ahead then um I love option three I love the idea of reimagining and um I just I think of um what Co was like and what so many other school districts did and the fact that you folks I had nothing to do with it you folks created an online virtual school that teaches the same curriculum as they have in their physical schools and remember when I went and visited KJ probably about a year ago or

054or more I came back and I told you about my experience which was very much like Rick's that um I got to listen to the kids tell me why they were at KJ but I also saw a little girl um on the screen in a hospital bed at St Vincent hospital being treated for cancer and when she got finished with her treatment she could go back to her school and she would be just exactly where all the other kids were because she was getting the same curriculum that is the kind of student we have to serve um the little boy who spent half his year in Mexico and half year here in a physical school um it's wonderful that you created something of you know so so excellent that we're actually considering CO's gone but

055we're still considering keeping it I think reimagining is exactly what needs to be done I don't quite understand the difference between a school and a program but I do not have any problems with con changing it into a program instead of a school um we got a lot of letters from faculty from parents I read them all and um several people suggested some kind of partnership with jll I don't know how that would work I don't know if that would work but I'm willing to consider anything um this this can be an answer for a lot of students within our district it has to be economically feasible absolutely you can't afford to run it the way it's running but I would volunteer to be on the team that does the reimagining and let's let's take

056a year and figure this out and make it work please um I'm just gonna add my voice to this I agree with option three too as well as um as far as reimagining um and spending and investing some staff time and and seeing what that would look like I mean we've had I mean NW is a pretty new program all things considering and that's been adapted and changed over time as as as um the need requires um same with jall same with Aldo same with da Vinci some of these specialty programs um have have had to change and adapt over the years um as as the the program just gets more sophisticated and and and a little bit more um better understanding of how how those particular populations what their needs are and and how

057we can address them so I think we should expand our thinking on this um no one seems to want to um close that school so let's let's address that let's let's talk about it that's my thoughts on it Andrew okay option three has it written closes the school and you're going to hear that for me over option three closes the school why do we have to throw out a school that's doing there there's just there's nothing here that you can't do you can Co enroll you can have students take uh some of their classes at KJ and some at their home school because it is the same curriculum I just don't see why we're so hellbent on finding another Clos is it a stat is it to say well we got we got one more

058we got we got up to 7 we didn't quite get up to 12 I'm just you could do everything in option three without having to close without having to close the school but what you can't do is close the school and let people who have a home there still feel like you you they have a home I thought I thought maybe we understood that finally with places like do with places like NW that identity and belonging is important to and every again everything is great about um yes co- enroll yes explore beyond the defined boundaries but there is and if I'm wrong I'll I'll admit it but I don't I don't see what there is here that closing a school gives us something special or extra that we don't because we can we can co-

059enroll uh could you please explain to us the difference between it having Academy as a school and as a program yeah I think um hearing uh hearing the importance of identity and belonging in this connection to a to a place that that is yours and that is yours among others is is uh really an important draw to have that that identity as a school um the programming does introduce uh more flexibility it may make it more appealing to students who actually do just want to um engage in part of it um we would uh be able to Market to um expand our marketing it's not that we don't but we would expand our marketing to families that have chosen homeschooling for partial um again partial enrollment uh periods um as a school currently uh KJ

060takes the forward exam to and and would take and any students who are enrolled in it as the school uh would take would take the exam um and then that would be a a school-based uh data point as well and so to your point uh miss gerlock about the Integrity of the curriculum being in line with the other schools should it be a program a student would maintain their um identity as a student of a of a neighborhood school and then um their performance and results would be reflected within that school's performance as well so that would be another difference with that yes so are you saying that if it became a program it would not be called Katherine Johnson Academy I don't think the naming of it would be I it wouldn't put the

061naming of it in in Jeopardy as a school I think we would part of the reimagining would be what what do what do we what do we call this place and how do we honor who the place was named for from the very beginning all right James are you good okay Brian oh Andrew um I'll just be I just I don't see anyone saying I just can't imagine someone saying well I like this idea that I could take two classes at another school but I I just absolutely don't want to go to both Edison and and KJ but I will go to Edison and the online Pro like that that's not doesn't even that's not how people are going to think about this and that's you know when you keep the school maybe maybe someone

062do go all the way through and graduate with a with a KJ diploma if we expand up to high school I think most won't but I think you have you have both options then for those who really belong to KJ long term we can do that and it can be a spot where you're taking some of your classes or you taking your classes for a year because you're in Mexico half the year perhaps visiting family or something um I I guess I'm a little more optimistic after some of the comments here that we can keep the identity and belonging but please don't underestimate the the importance of that the the people at this um we we have to we have to remember that um most most of us around this table and at the leadership

063levels I am going to say most of us have probably benefited from uh good opportunities of of belonging that have been available as we've we moved around schools and and systems even even those who have moved a lot the connection to a school is important even if you move schools from year to year all right all right go ahead br Andrew I I recognize what you're saying I disagree on a couple of the parts but that's the great thing about a board um but looking at how students have enrolled or participated in other events I recognize that students at eloo play in softball and baseball and softball and basketball and other events at Washington I realize that there's a Green Bay United swim team where they take all four high schools and have the kids

064participate in that the same thing as I think our wrestling team we have the Green Bay ice Hogs which is a ton of P public schools combining in there where the students still have their same identity with their Traditional High School on there I recognize that this is a learning thing and more so we're looking at the K8 part of it but we do it fairly often throughout this District um of providing those opportunities and if it helps a student at East take a class that's not being offered anywhere else because we don't have the numbers or student at Preble taking one online course through it and particip exp the program I think it it expands our our opportunities for our students and I think that's a great opportunity to grow with it I also

065like the opportunity of looking at it for a student that may be on the path to other schools that we have a temporary programming for as is in the the intent Oka of making sure that we don't have students stay there for more than the set amount of time this gives them an opportunity to participate in both of them and and if a student wants to participate at KJ their whole education experience as a program I would assume they'd be able to and that we'd look at a full day programming it would just be involved with other spots and enrollment at a different School correct yeah that would remain an option as we would imagine it as a program should it remain a school if we talk about this being for students Beyond um 8th

066grade and again I'll I'll just call your attention to the enrollment Trend shifting heavily toward middle school students who again will become high school students um the board would need to act on the the grade span that defines the school because currently the school is only defined through 8th grade um I just want to make sure I'm clear on uh takeaways for additional information the board is requested um Mr LLY you you wanted to go deeper into the break even Point Beyond like a student teacher ratio um figure and uh happy to provide that for you as it relates to contact time use of the facilities um and then I think a real part of this conversation will be um the uh older students um needing more access to electives and other work that would

067be um part of a of a um curriculum aligned uh seventh and eighth grade experience so we'll provide that um for you as well I'm also hearing that there's interest in seeing and discussing the kind of the um compare and contrast between if it's a school this is what it means for it if it's a program this is what it means for it be happy to set that up for you as a as a t- chart to continue the discussion Ren oh I'm sorry Lyn um and also could we add to that uh um exploring I don't I have no idea what they have in mind but several people have suggested that this could somehow um work together with J doll can we look into that I have no idea what they mean but if

068that's a good option I'd like to know more about it because that's a wonderful school too go ahead Vicky when before KJ Academy school became a school our online program was at John Dey so that's I think that's why they're making that connection John Dey had online as part of their school correct go ahead Brian and then Andrew just as a point yes go ahead I'm sorry just as a point of information on this I plan on uh under item a I'm sorry 8 a where we talk about our board meeting schedule introducing this as a item to be voted on at the next meeting um as an action item we run into a peculiar situation in April where we could have new members voting on something at the second meeting in April and this

069is something it's been going on for a while so I'm ask I'm going to ask the board at that point to consider us voting on it at our next meeting with the current makeup of the board I'm a little concerned that staff might not have time to respond well no I take that back I Sor take that back and and originally we were looking at voting at this meeting so I think it gives some time on there so so we've assigned some new some new um directives to you good okay all right James yeah so um David when you're providing that setup or that tar um um comparing the options between a program and a school we've really focused on the identity um component of that but I'm interested in is when you talk programming

070is if that response could address if the programming changes would alter the methodology right when I first visited KJ I had imagined it to be a like a force multiplier where we could have a teacher teach more kids than a a you know a traditional classroom and ultimately it doesn't because there's this U what Rick and Lyn have observed the high intense contact with the the students that doesn't scale to one to 30 one to 35 so when you're when you're laying out the difference between programming and a school um is it on the table to change the program such that you know that intensity of contact with the students um would change because I think that that is you know if you if you appreciate the program that's what you appreciate about the program

071right is that you know these kids are getting the attention a lot of attention during the day and I'm not so I think just so that we can make an informed decision um I would appreciate if you are envisioning the the teaching methodology um to change when you're talking programming okay Andrew did you have comments I was I I might but I was I was pointing to James because anybody go ahead no sorry no sorry just one more thing this whole thing came to us as a cost saving measure one of many of of about what 800 800,000 so reimagining then would have to be you would have to put before us what if any savings would there be by doing this reimagining and if there is no savings then where would the cuts in

072cost come from that would be the question that I would have um um okay and and and and break even to me is part of of a total cost benefit analysis is really what we're looking at right James that that's be and and you're right it it it may not be a onetoone comparison with a regular school and their in the cost and the number of students per per uh per teacher because the value will be different so I'm not necessarily looking for when you said 225 students whoa I that just didn't feel right for for what we're asking the school to do I don't see those numbers in that school and if you but if you're doing a onetoone comparison between that and a regular school I don't know that that's an Apples to

073Apples comparison I think we got an apple and an orange here so it'll be a different criteria for measuring value of this school yes please yeah that's a great point to clarify I think it's important when we're facing a budget deficit that we have this opportunity to talk about areas where we believe there's potential for cost savings and for the board to to weigh in on what is most important to you and and if this is important enough then we would have to look elsewhere to your point where where will we find that 800,000 anybody else sounds like there's a lot of interest in further work and further discussion thank you David happy to provide that thank you okay okay uh we're g to move on to the consent agenda um could someone read that

074motion please I will read it once I go back on here I moveed that consent the consent agenda items as presented be approved second any discussion KY online voting is now open l are you able to vote online all votes have been entered and the motion is carried with all board members voting in favor okay we're going to move on to action items like's make a motion to package some of these action items together okay uh the first one I'm going to make a motion to package items a b and c under action items together I'll second that do I have to vote on that yep Kenzie oh I'm sorry discussion all in favor I opposed all right so um I would like to then if we're going to do that um make a motion

075to postpone this vote um on these three items um what's that oh God no sorry I'm in the wrong place nope no we're not going to postpone that so I'm going to move items a b and c as packaged second approve so now we would have discussion on a b and c yep let's discuss oh yeah yeah um so we're going to take a bunch of votes tonight um and all these have had a lot of discussion so far already so um the in particular the Strategic plan has had months and months of discussion and updates um all along the way and and uh board input as well so um just want to mention that and need to other discussion go ahead ly uh if we're not going to ask um David to come up

076and talk about this I just want to point out that there's been a change since we got the agenda the other day and that is in the vision the proposed Vision so if you're going to vote on this you might want to take a look at it um the vision statement has is proposed to have been changed should I read it sure it says now Green Bay area public school graduates will be academic Achievers communicators and connectors architects of their own success leaders and teammates empowered to navigate their own life's journey I would put the word and in there and leaders in teammates empowered to navigate their own life's journey but anyway you should be aware of that okay this is the culmination of a lot of work and um if we're ready we can

077go ahead and take the vote keny crosson hi gerlock hi Mills hi LLY hi McCoy hi backer I motion carries all right very good okay we're going to move on to D I'd like to make a motion that we package items D through J on no second any discussion questions yeah all in favor I opposed all right I move items D through J for approval a second all right again discussion questions Kinsey Becker hi McCoy hi LLY hi Mills i gerlock i crosson i motion carries all right okay we're gonna jump ahead to k then someone like to read the motion with my wife working in the district I'm going to be recusing myself from K through I I'm sorry through you all right would someone like to make the motion I move that the

078recommended plan design change to the medical plan as presented be approved I'll second Andrew okay so um what is the what does the outof pocket change with this for the median uh single and family good evening um provided the update on Friday to the board the median participant outof pocket cost last year on the $1,500 HRA plan was $ 23168 the median participant out of pocket cost by contract for the high deductible plan was $537 74 the proposed maximum out of pocket on the single plan is $1,000 higher and the proposed maximum out of pocket on the family plan is $22,000 higher than the current plan regardless of how many family members are enrolled the greatest increase in claims responsibility a family plan will have is $2,000 I asked my question a week ago you

079know what my question was what what's the problem I mean there is a what is the average or median amount that our singles and our or and or our families will go up because of going from with this 80 to 90% I asked the question every year we try to change something I asked it last I asked it week ago he emailed he he emailed the board on Friday with the response after he worked with our consultant Mike we're good thank you okay I'm if I missed an email I'm sorry but I think we still need to get out into the public view I will all right are there any other questions regarding this K we're on K all right I think we're ready um James did you have anything um no okay then I

080think we're ready for a vote Kinsey online voting is now open Andrew are you able to vote online oh thank you all votes have been entered in the motion has carried the results of the individual board member votes are as follows Becker no McCoy yes LLY yes Mills abstained gerlock yes cross and yes okay we're going to move on to L would someone read the motion please I move that the 2025 2026 health insurance rates for the $1,500 deductible health plan with a health reimbursement account and the minimum essential plan for active employees as presented be approved second all right questions discussion you good James I'm good okay go ahead kiny online voting is now open all votes have been entered in the motion is Carri the result of the individual board member votes are

081as follows Crossen yes gerlock yes Mills abstained LLY yes McCoy yes Becker no okay moving on to M Lynn can you read the motion I move that the 2025 2026 health insurance rates for the $1,500 deductible health plan with a health reimbursement account the minimum essential plan the $500 retiree plan and the prescription plan for retirees as presented be approved I'll second any questions go ahead Andrew so well before we exit the topic of health insurance plans um I I apologize if I came across a little hot there was some information on it similar to what was presented here that was in a um included as part of an email but rather than being a separate email um I'm still not sure if it includes though what what I think is the most important and

082I mean we knew I was going to be voting no anyways here it's really important to know yeah yes it could go up it could go up a th000 for singles and 2,000 per families and that is a that's a it's a worst case scenario but it's not a far-flung worst case scenario because a significant number of people will will fall into it but it is I think is relevant whether on average families are going to be spending you know close to you know 14500 out of pocket in many cases or whether only a relatively few families will get there that's important when we need to know if we're you know moving forward and staying staying at least keeping even with inflation so right any further questions or discussion go ahead Rick I I got

083one because I what I don't want to have folks walk out of here to say that that that we don't care about what it is that you're paying um because I've dealt with these health insurance plans in my previous lives and I understand that if there's more uh cost going out then Revenue coming in then this then becomes ultimately insolvent and and so you either take away the risks that create the costs and you do that by by taking people out of the program or you increase the cost or the um the premiums to get more money into the program um this is not something that that that those of us who are voting yes are uh uh enjoy doing I want to make this clear that this is to keep this program viable with

084the am with with an appropriate amount of Revenue coming in to to service the program um and short of that other drastic things would then have to happen if we if we all said no to this um it because you would either have to reduce the services that you are getting or or start or or the district would have to incur additional costs to make up that Gap money that we've already said we don't have so I just want to make sure that it's on the record that those of us who are saying yes to this we understand the Dynamics of this I've dealt with these types of things before so I understand why this this this is one of those necessary things to do okay any other any further discussion or questions all right

085KY online voting is now open all votes have been entered and the motion is carried the results of the individual board member votes are as follows Becker no McCoy yes LLY yes Mills abstained gerlock yes Crossen yes okay moving on to n would someone read the motion please I move to combine uh n through Q second all in favor I I opposed all right they're combined what's one uh um I'll move M through Q for approval I'll second give Kinsey a moment you good all right yes any discussion all right Kinsey crosson hi Garlock hi mels LLY hi McCoy hi Becker hi motion carries all right all right we are now going to move on to um R [Music] and go ahead I have a motion it may be a point of order to see

086how we do this um but I move that that um agenda items RS and T be combined um for for a vote uh and then I would then request an an amendment to that particular Amendment once once that com combination has been approved or if it's approved okay so let's um do the um combination I'll need a second for that second all right any discussion or question about the combination of these three items James um I guess if we're discussing can we hear Rick's proposed Second Amendment to these or is that appro yes we can hear it Okay the reason that I would and this is about wage increase uh freezing right base wage and advanced on salary schedule recommendation um there's there's still more information and conversation and Alignment as to intent that we

087need to have before we vote on this I I think this should all abled and uh with with the intent of filling in those gaps of misinformation misunderstanding um as late as this morning I'm I'm still learning things about what was um in essence good faith uh conversation and agreement between the gbaa and and the district that that were doing things that are now officially being proposed in this in this in this uh in these proposals which which took into account the realities of this this Gap in time between when when we know the budget the state budget shows up and when we have to negotiate and during that block of time Teachers Pay and steps were frozen and the GBA was was was aligned with the district in that unofficial agreement of action this

088brings it to the Forefront makes it more of a and hey this is out there and formalizes something that has been um informally in good fa agreed to work because it's it takes into account the reality of the of this difference in when the when we know the budget when we have the actual budget number which is when we can negotiate and when we when we probably should have negotiated like now so am I getting that yeah so R just to summarize are your amendment is going to be to table yes okay will be to table this pending further further conversation and discussion I'm sorry for getting too long on this but yeah thank you all right are you finished with your yes okay Andrew yeah I just want to make sure if we we

089do this it seems like there might be a couple different points I'm not necessarily opposed to just postponing them as as a group um because I would I would either vote no or move to postpone the freeze on riters but SN T are already those already include I just want to make sure we're not precluding starting negotiations when a budget happens if we've because because right now S&T already have a conditional they're already on pause until the budget is passed so our is different in that respect but I would be okay with tbling the combined motion to okay anyone else have anything they want to say about this so let's just make it clear the motion is to combine still yes ma'am yes so let's take that vote if everyone's ready let's take that vote

090kiny oh all in favor I I opposed all right so they're combined so now go ahead and offer your um motion right I move that we table um agenda items are r s and t pending further conversation and discussion amongst between board and uh District staff um and and then we bring it back to a to a vote we gotta got to put something in a motion that Kinsey can do I'm sorry yeah it's okay got it okay you got it okay all right can you read it back keny or is it possible all right to table agenda to table agenda items RS and T pending further conversation we between the board and District staff and bring it back to a vote okay anything I miss do we want to say anything in that about

091um um pending um I don't know some whatever is going to um budget discussions or budget decisions or passage of the budget do you want to include that no because no I I wouldn't that's not what I'm asking that we do that all right James did you have any input yeah I was going to agree with Rick there because I think that um limits okay the conversation too much right um because ultimately um we would move the table and you know the conversations could um be broader and scope than just you know responsiveness to the the state budgeting process okay Lyn I second the motion to table okay all right any other any other discussion around this all right Kenzie beer hi McCoy hi LLY hi Mills gerlock hi crosson hi motion carries okay all

092right let's um move on to um you let some read the motion please that the issuance of contracts as outlined under Wisconsin statute section 11822 for the 2024 25 school year as presented be approved second all right any discussion Kenzie online voting is now open all votes all votes have been entered and the motion is carried the results of the individual board member votes are as follows Becker yes McCoy yes LLY yes Mills abstain gerac yes Crossen yes all right be on to V job description updates somebody read the motion please I move that the job description updates as presented be approved second discussion Kinsey online voting is now open all votes been entered and the motion is carried with all board members voting in favor all right W someone read the motion please I

093moved that the proposed exchange of land with the city of Green Bay at the following sites Bowmont Park Elementary School Chapel Park Elementary School Fort Howard Park jeffon hslc head startart Learning Center thanks uh Fort Howard El Elementary School Keller Elementary School MacArthur Elementary School beaverdam park nicolay park and Elementary School and Sullivan Park Elementary School including the described agreements and details as presented be approved second okay uh discussion Andrew um I just want to review before we vote um what control we have over the now there's there's the nine-month planning options if it if it doesn't get concluded in nine months can they do what they want or does it just start over I just want to make sure that we're clear on that I think K will be joining us go ahead then

094in the meantime go ahead and I want to add to that same I have the same concern and I'd like someone to explain to me what this 9-month planning option even is I don't understand what that means okay you might want to repeat your question Andrew could you repeat your question yes what is the 9month planning option what does that give us the right to to do and I think I know the answer to that but also what happens after where is it after nine months if nothing if the thing doesn't happen and I'm going to add in Lynn's question month planning option so the the 9month planning option again as we've um discussed the district is not rers we're not Brokers we we're not in real estate the the city has an entire department

095for redevelopment so the city and the district would be partnering on the two properties uh Elmore and tank for redel velopment options including um what the city is primarily looking at those two properties for is uh housing and in particular probably lower income housing to meet the needs in the city the 9month option okay so the the nine-month option would be to allow the city to uh work with their contacts to find a developer for those troop properties and ultimately the board has the final Authority as to whether you would agree to what the city finds and what the city is able to develop those properties into you have the final say so if the city and the developer come up with an idea that the board does not agree with or it doesn't meet

096um what you're looking for then the board has the right to um turn that offer down what about the nine what's special about the nine months thank you um so the city has the the first right to develop that during that nine months if they're not able to get uh a plan and a broke broker deal together then they no longer have essentially the first rights to develop that property then we're able to Market that to anybody else thank you ly so in other words um during that 9month period the city has the right to make the plans but we still get to approve the plans that's correct all right I think Andrew has one more question um does anybody else need to speak first okay Andrew okay so I'm I'm still going to vote

097no and the reason I'm going to vote no is that we are putting in the language we will the city will encourage affordable housing um encourage and and maybe and things are just things that don't don't belong in motions and I I don't need to hear again that we're not uh you know we're not in the real estate business we have we have a rare opportunity to use the fact that we own these buildings to um to be more insist that we do something that the community really needs and affordable housing is one of them and there might be some you know a couple of other things I do like that the board would still would still vote afterwards but I think it is I think it's deemphasized too much in this and um I'm

098going to vote no and I hope it will come back to us as something I can vote Yes on Bri uh this question is from Melissa through the chair um it would be impossible for us to make a motion to strike certain language because this would then have to go back to the other party involved I would assume yes if we change the language and what is being presented tonight then we would need to go back to the city and the city council has approved okay thank you I was what I was looking at is the it will not be a requirement part we still have the intent on there so obviously I'm not going to make a motion on that to to keep the process moving forward all right we're still on W and

099we're still taking questions go ahead l so I just I just don't understand this because I see Andrew's point number two says that there will be a 9-month planning option and and you're telling us we get to approve the plans but number eight said or number seven said whatever it is they will encourage affordable housing but it will not be a requirement so they might come back to us within that 9month period and say we're going to make it a shopping mall and we're going to vote no or they might come back and say we're going to make it affordable housing and we'll vote Yes I just don't get it so that um what we're encouraging and what the city probably sorry I had to to miss that um what the city has um provided

100interest in in affordable housing re restricting the property for sale the developer can develop plans with the city and move forward with those plans um we are not putting any restrictions on that property if that plan was to change if if the developer in the city had to come to an agreement to make something work down the line that would be um up to that after we sell the property we would not have um nor do we have now the ability to decide what's going to be done with that property um so we are encourage uh the recommendation is not to put additional restrictions on the property all right anybody else okay um I think we're ready to vote kiny online voting is now open all votes been entered in the motion is carried the

101results of the individual board member votes are as follows crosson yes gerlock yes Mills yes LLY yes McCoy yes Becker no okay we're moving on to some roof votes go ahead B I'd like to make a motion that we combine items X Y and Z into one item second all right all right any discussion on that combination all in favor I opposed all right they're combined with someone make the motion then I move that we approve items X Y and Z as presented second all right discussion or questions Kinsey yes crosson I gerac I Mills I LLY I McCoy I beer I motion carries right three of our schools are getting new roofs than I'll move that we combine I'll move that we combine AA through FF second all right motion to combine again um

102anybody want to talk about that or ask questions about that all in favor I oppos all right they're combined someone make I'll move a AA through FF for approval second all right questions they disc discussion Kinsey Becker hi McCoy hi LLY I Mills I gerlock I crosson I all right okay we have one final item uh GG let someone oh wait a minute um so yeah it's available for the it's posted and it's I sent it it's well it's it's posted as a topic and I gave you the resolution so we should be able to do it where is the resolution I send it I shared it to kiny so thought we just put it on screen so it's not an email you just shared it with Kinsey right yeah okay I was going crazy

103um so it's it's very basic the you know the the whereas are you know preliminary they don't really do anything anyways the the point of the resolution it doesn't Force anything to happen with weok it directs the it directs the administration to look at some of these other options and to postpone solic itation of bids until until we hear more back I would like to see us look at creative opportunities for the use of the week weak School building and grounds instead of just get it up for for sale and I intentionally uh made the resolution just that the administration is directed to work with staff and community on determining whether creative opportunities for the use of the wex school building and grounds exist and if there would be reasonable demand for the use of

104facility the facilities and to postpone any solicitation and bids for the facilities and grounds of week weak elementary school until after reporting back to the board regarding the above and the board making a decision can you scroll a little bit more can see I mean we can I mean I'm but I'm wait waiting to see if there's a second though I'll second to read the okay sure um whereas it is the mission of the Green Bay Area Public School District to educate all students to be college career and Community ready inspired to succeed in our diverse world and in an effort to achieve that mission The District offers a variety of programming to meet the needs of all students and whereas Wisconsin statute 1221 and 124 442 all the Green Bay Area Public School District

105Board of Education to have The Possession care control and management of the property and Affairs of the school district and whereas in order to address the district's imping impending budget deficit and the decrease in student of enrollment the board of education has made the decision to close wew Elementary School and consolidate the attendance area into red Smith K8 school and whereas the week weak School building and grounds are located in unque setting that lends itself well to outdoor and Environmental Education and um whereas the vast majority of the ongoing savings related to closure of the school have already been realized via reduction in full-time staff to operate weak as a conventional school and whereas the greenb area public school district may have a unique opportunity for the week weak School building to host creative opportunities

106for uh gbaps students and the community now therefore be it resolved that the green beer Area Public School District administration is directed to to work with the staff in the commun one to work with the staff in the community on determining whether creative opportunities for the use of the week reak school building and grounds exist and if there would be reasonable demand for use of the facilities and two to postpone any solicitation of bids for the facilities and grounds of weak elementary school until after reporting back to the board regarding the above and the board making a decision be it further resolved that the execution of this resolution exclusive evidence of the board of education's approval of this action and the authority granted herein at a duly noticed meeting of the Board of Education held

107on March 17 2025 respectfully submitted by the school board of the Green Bay Area School District Brian second this uh mainly so we had an option to discuss it um I'm just concerned with us looking at voting on it today when we just had it with us and I'm interested if Andrew would be willing to postpone actually voting on it until our next meeting so I I would I'd be willing to postpone at any amount of time as long as there's a good faith understanding that you know obviously we wouldn't be going out to bid on it in the meantime um a resolution is probably honestly overkill for this uh but we don't really have enough other mechanism to do just a board directive the intent is just to ask the just to ask the

108staff to investigate um so we can we can postpone it but all we're postponing is asking the staff to investigate so I I I just thought that I would write it in a way that I thought would be a fairly easy um approval but I'd be okay with morning anyone else Lyn if we postpone this vote until the next meeting is there any problem I'd like to ask the staff that is there any is that going to hold the staff up from doing anything uh Andrew said he doesn't want to go out for bid was that planned to be done before the next meeting ha so Brian so I would like and Melissa I'm going hope I get the phrasing this right I'd like to offer a friendly to my own motion second that this

109be added to the next board meeting to table until the next board meeting would you want this on the work session for discussion and then the regular meeting so you just want it on the regular board meeting in April or a special board meeting prior to the work session I would like it at the work session we're able to have the discussion now with the resolution and then be able to vote on it at the work session I plan on making a motion also for another thing at the end of this so we would need to post for a special board meeting prior to the work session because we don't don't vote at work sessions if it's posted that we can vote at it are we allowed to we have a board policy that says

110we don't take action at work sessions and that's why we have a special board meeting then prior to the work session so it would be on the same day we just have to post for a special board meeting that's what I would like Melissa can you just kind of stay there for a second I feel like this is going to get complicated go ahead as I understand it this is simply asking the board or the staff to to do some work and to look into this if we tell them to do that now rather than wait till either another board meeting or a special board meeting they're not going to do anything between now and then and that's time wasted I would think if in fact they are going to do this so I'd be

111in the camp of saying of voting on whether or not to do this right now so that the staff if we vote Yes can get to work all right hang on just a second um I'm not sure what the motion is on on the table right now Brian can you reite the original motion was that this be the original motion that we haven't voted on is that we approve this the friendly that I offered what to Andrew was to table it until our next board meeting which would then need to be actually a special board meeting at our next meeting okay and the thing to discuss right now is whether Andrew accepts it as a friendly or not and if not I'm gonna offer it as a motion Andrew so I don't I don't think

112I can I a friendly is to like change language or something you're moving to just table to the next meeting so I don't I don't think it exists in the form of a friendly but I guess with regards to tabling it I don't so I I intentionally wrote this the way I did so that I was only asking staff to investigate and I certainly would have had much more lead time on it and things if I had my plan for week weak in here but I intentionally don't because I did want staff to be able to to look right um so I don't know what's I don't I don't see what's gained by tbling a motion if the motion just directs the staff to investigate something so you're saying no to the friendly well it's

113the no what I'm saying is it doesn't ex what I'm saying is that it can't be a friendly because tabling is a whole different thing okay I'm gonna speak to that I think you're incorrect on it but I will remove my friendly I'm going to offer it as a motion in a moment James also has his hand hang on so James no Lynn and then James go ahead Lynn so I'm going to remove my friendly so what we're speaking to is the original motion so the the resolution itself I just want to be clear on that yeah all right are you ready to talk about that okay hang on just a second James um yeah Andrew I I hear what you're saying um my concern is um I can't put a box around the word

114and uh investigate um and I I don't know without you helping scope the investigation I don't know when they would be done with said investigation of of opportunities and and that that lack of scoping is concerning to me and I think it directs resources that they would go do work come back and we we would be in the position to go no not that work do other work right and and that's the scenario I'm very very interested in avoiding go ahead then I do not support directing our staff to investigate this we have made a decision about weak and I'm ready to stay with that decision I'm ready to vote on this go ahead BR I'd like to make a motion that we table this um until a special board meeting prior to our next

115board meeting second this gives us a little more time to kind of Flesh this out a little bit before we take a vote on it that's my intent with it okay does anyone want speak to Brian's motion um go ahead other than I'm not in favor of doing that okay um was there there wasn't a second to your motion Andrew okay I'm sorry it's late guys okay um go ahead Andrew um yeah I'm actually I'm actually okay with tabling this if this helps and I can help make it clear I really I really thought it was worded very um very soft as far as how much work was requested or something um because until after reporting back to the uh the board on the above probably could be relatively quick but obviously there's it's not

116that clear to people so I would actually now support I think we should postpone it we should uh table it okay the motion is to table it or postpone um to table till a special what would be a special meeting at the work session in a couple weeks that is what we'll be voting on this time okay so um anyone else want to speak to that all right Kinsey yes we're ready to vote Becker I McCoy no Mills hi I LLY nay no gerlock no okay going back to Andrew's original resolution and motion um is there any anyone else have anything else to say about that go ahead Andrew this is an attempt for me to to play ball your way just asking the staff to look okay if that is such a big deal

117on something that I've mentioned so many times that now is some you're going to vote no to even to even ask the question I'll I'll be really that'll be really disappointing I'll speak to that Brian when we went into this uh right sizing of the district and looking at different options for different schools I I've mentioned many times this is a once in a generation opportunity this is not committing any resources other than some time to look at opportunities for it week weak is a unique property I support Andrew's intent to this resolution this gives us a direction to give to the district into looking at some other options as well it's not committing to anything other than that I agree with you Andrew all right go ahead James yeah Andrew I know that you

118have spoken to this on many occasions um and um when I I looked at the the wording of the resolution now my no vote is is you can interpret it the way you want to interpret it um what I'm struggling with is trying to what the answer would be right because either it's a quick no or it's a a another facet that we have to make evaluate in trying to remedy the 10 to 12 million do budget because we can't do it for free right we it will we will incur additional costs um to this and so if and that was not really kind of part of the evaluation when we had you know conversation several weeks ago um so um I I have a hard time introducing a a programmatic change that will regardless

119of how much it is you know incur additional expenses where we have the opportunity not um when when we're you know we just took a vote on you know plan changes and there significant votes ahead so I I I am trying I'm not you know trying to just vote um no um in that I don't agree with you and that there is an opportunity there and just as I evaluate the the nature of the opportunity versus the reality that we're in um that is the nature of my vote all right Rick now I I go back to when when the decision to close a school was made was it was it implied or was it um something other than the disposal of the property um if and I don't know that we answered that when

120we talked about closing a school we simply said closing the school was the best better option given the other options that we had but then at some future date there would be conversation about what to do with the property but I had all I had had it in my mind at the time was that the property would be disposed of sold and and all of that cost would be ultimately removed from the district this is a new conversation that I would think we would have to we're and we're in the midst of of of disposing of property right now be because I think I think that has been Andrew's Andrew's question is separate from whatever else we're doing with this property I I I I don't necessarily have a problem with looking into it although

121I I agree with with James and that this thing could be very open-ended if you don't and I worry Andrew that if you don't get an answer that that you like this thing could could keep going on and on um so the question then we would have to agree on how much time are we going to give the staff to do this and and and what are we going to look for from the staff that all is going to take time to to to flesh that out um I am necessarily not in favor of dragging this out because we are going to be incurring costs as we drag this thing out we're we're going to be paying Insurance costs we're going to be cost of Maintenance uh whatever else going on with that with those

122facilities and and and I'm I'm I'm concerned about the cost of us going through this process so I would not be in favor of this being a long drawn out thing um go ahead you done okay Andrew and then Brian there there was discussion because I went back and read my quote on it which was I will vote Yes on closing week weak with the understanding that there will be a good faith up or down vote on doing I don't remember creative or different with the property okay a vote a vote of we're not even going to allow the staff to ask the question is not that good faith vote on what to do with with weak now no one else promised a good faith up or doubt vote on weak um I thought I

123thought that I was being a team player voting yes on probably one of the hardest to justify as a fullblown school with a principal and a full-time staff and I guess this is this is what I get for for playing ball I should have just dug in and voted no on on closing week we act to when so those statements were made during an open session school board meeting uh during Open Session School way way back where we closed week we on so like not last summer but the summer before um yeah okay ran I appreciate what Rick is saying on there um when we looked at these motions they weren't to sell they were to close and then look at what we're going to do with the property after and I think it's a

124key point because the other items we've brought up of what we're going to do with them to sell or to look at L land swaps different options with that so I think that this resolution falls into that same category I don't recall a board meeting saying we were going to sell weak we we were voting to close it because that did that started the process with it so um I understand the intent with it but I I I cannot recall a vote specifically from this board to sell any of the buildings until they've come up after so I just want to clarify that and and I think the intent of that was addressing Andrew's concern and a concern that I've had also of once in a generation opportunities with these all right um has anyone

125everyone had a chance to say what they want to say all right the motion on the uh table is um Andrew's proposed resolution KY gerlock no Ron I LLY no Mills I McCoy no Becker hi have a tie so motion fails okay all right um that completes oh no I'm sorry Brian you had something else as a and Melissa I might need your clear your help on this as well sorry um under agenda sting setting we always have a board meeting schedule and I would like to make a motion dur to make a motion to hold a meeting first and then address it or make a motion of what would be covered in the meeting why don't you explain what you're trying to do what I would like to do is make a motion to

126discuss the options for Katherine Johnson so discussion item 4A of today's agenda make it a uh actionable item so I think your motion would be to hold a special board meeting prior to the work session in April for purposes of bringing forth action on the continuation of Katherine Johnson Academy I would like to make a motion to hold a special m board meeting before our next board meeting to make an actionable item on the Katherine Johnson Academy for of enriched virtual learning second the reason I'm speaking to this and making the motion we have an unusual situation in April where we have a work session before a business session this originally I envisioned was going to be an actionable item today and with the possibility of a current makeup of the board shifting um with

127three people up for election I think this is something that we should wrap up prior to asking a new board to vote on it at a different item this is something we've discussed for quite some time so that's why I'm asking that okay we have a motion a second Lyn I'm confused because I thought that we gave David John's um some things to look into for us um so is the assumption that he will give us the information and we'll then be prepared to vote on it that's my assumption and I think David indicated that he would he would be able to um op or be able to provide that okay so we have a motion in a second do we need any more discussion we're talking about creating another a separate meeting another meeting

128it would be on the same night but it'll be it have to be um just before our regular um work session because has has that be its own meeting in order to take a vote yeah okay it'll be five minutes well maybe not five but yeah so all right anyone else have any more questions about this motion um I don't know keny how do you want to vote on this voice vot okay LLY I Mills I McCoy hi Becker I gerlock I Crossing hi all right that passes um that is the end of our agenda um with that I would entertain a motion to adjourn so moved second all in favor I post all right bye James we're adjourned by you have been watching The Green Bay Area Public School District's Board of Education meeting

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