001Welcome everyone to tonight's school board meeting of the Hudson School District. If you could please rise for the pledge of the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. because we have a number of um requests to speak uh and we have a hard uh end for the time of 6:15 to move to our posted annual meeting. We will then come back out of recess after the annual meeting and continue with the regular board meeting. Uh we will move citizens request to speak to second and we will because we need to get Bonnie's financial report in this meeting before it can close. Okay. Well, thank you. Um, so this is
002the annual report that we provided and we went over at the committee of the whole. We're going to go over briefly, um, starting with the budget assumptions. We're almost there. So, this year's budget, um, the state increased the revenue limit calculation to $325 per pupil. Um state per pupil aid remained the same at $742 per pupil. Um we did get an increase in special ed categorical aid which is estimated to increase to 42%. It's currently about 30%. Um the 202526 equalization aid estimate is a decrease of around $750,000 for this upcoming school year. We will get our final aid calculation October 15th. Um this aid is tied to student enrollment um increased property value growth in the district and the distribution aid formula to all districts throughout the state. So really we don't have any
003say in that. That is the allocation that's provided to the district. Um the estimated mill rate will remain level this year at 8.21. So no increase from last year. Um overall valuation is estimated to increase 4.4%. 4% um property value increased 6.69% last year. The state average this year is predicted to be 8.07%. Again, that will be finalized in November. Um the district has made general operating budget staffing reductions estimated at about $842,000 for this current school year. And over the past three years, um, the district has reduced over $2.7 million, um, in positions due to declining student enrollment and budget constraints. Employment settlements have been built into the budget. All settlements have been finalized for the 2526 school year. Um, based on community feedback, the district has or is in the process of reducing
004our footprint. Um, we have formally accepted an offer on the UYU property. It's anticipated that the sale will close during the 2526 school year and this will reduce district footprint and add property to the community tax base. The administrative service center is also been currently listed for sale and the district is currently on Friday going to move over to our new office at the Hudson Middle School. Again, this will also reduce the district footprint and add property to the community tax base. So those were our assumptions when we made our budget. And then on page 16 through 19 of the handout um is the budget that um we did put in the paper. Um we presented at the committee of the whole and are asking the board for approval for the 2526 school year. This
005is our preliminary budget. We'll bring this back in November, either the end of October, early November for final approval once we have our equalization date. Okay, thank you Bonnie. Any questions hearing? None. Do we have to motion? Okay, I'll I'll uh accept a motion to approve. Mr. President, I'd like to make a motion to approve the budget as presented. >> Thank you, Maria. Do I have a second? >> Second with Brian. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All those opposed say nay hearing none. It passes. We'll now move on to the second part. Since we have a number of citizens request to speak, we'll we'll move that even on that is on an agenda item. We'll entertain those comments now. I remind people that it is a public comment is for input
006only. It is not a question and answer session. The t a time for debate or a dialogue session. Members of the school board will not respond directly to public comments that are made at this meeting. No specific action will be taken at this meeting in response to comments that are made or issues that are raised during the public comment period. If the board determines that action is appropriate, the action will occur at a future board meeting. A district representative may follow up with you after the meeting. The board chair will recognize one speaker at a time. Only those speakers who are recognized will be permitted to speak. Individuals who interfere with with or interrupt the board or the proceedings may be directed to leave. Personal attacks on any individual, including any other speaker during the
007public comment session, are unacceptable. Persistence in making such remarks will end the individual's ability or excuse me opportunity to address the board and may result in the individual being directed to leave. So with that, we'll move on and I'll call up uh names. Uh Julie Baker. Oh, I'm sorry. uh because of the number of of recipient or number of speakers uh we will go with two minutes for each comment. >> Megan Kan thank you. >> Great. Thank you for letting me come and speak today. My name is Julie Baker. I'm a resident of Hudson, Wisconsin. I had three kids that went through the district. All are out and graduated um as of this time. I'm bringing up the topic of um the Hust School District policy um that was adopted on August 11th, 2025. This
008is rule number 860, which is the school visitor procedures subsection B. this subsection is under um the title of it is special requirements related to registered sex offenders visiting the schools and I have a few things to show. Um, as far as I have found out, um, I went back as far as 2017, but I have found this person here who happened to work for Catalyst Sports that probably had some um, dealings with people in the Hudson School District. Um, just recently arrested. This was July 28th, 2025. I will not name names. So you can all go on the internet and find these people yourself. Um the next one is uh the fifth grade teacher here in Hudson. This is August 18th, 2025. Um this person um has also been um charged with um four
009felony counts with child endangerment um and causing mental harm to child enticement, sexual misconduct by school staff. We have this one. This one is October 8th, 2024. Uh this is another former teacher that um stood trial for alleged relationship with a fifth grader. We have another one here. Um this is May 22nd, 2018. Hudson soccer coach sent graphic Snapchat pickics to students. >> Ma'am, you you're over two minutes by quite a bit. Do you have a quick point to make? >> Yep, I do have a quick point. The last one is um my child's predator. He does have kids in the school district and I just want parents to know he will be getting out in 2027. I ask the school board to look at their policy and block this individual from being able to
010come into the schools. Thank you, Mr. Baker. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Next, we have Scott Ellingsson. >> So, I'm Scott Ellson. Um, first of all, I want to thank you all for the all the time that you've put into the incredibly difficult decision-making process with the possible school closures, your transparency, and for the community forum that you're having next week. We all really appreciate that. The Hudson Education Association strongly urges you to reconsider your previous vote and keep both Holton and Willow River elementary schools open. At the very least, please keep at least one of them open. We believe that this is best for our school district. Because we able to squeeze everybody into four buildings doesn't mean that is the best thing to do. Closing two schools would be a huge change
011that would have a ripple effects throughout the entire district. Many nonholton or nonwillow families don't realize how they will be impacted until reboundering is completed. Speaking of reboundering, if you close one school and reboundering is done well to set up all schools for success, you should you shouldn't have to do that process again until well beyond the next referendum. Clearly, absent a Madison miracle and given that our recent referendum is non-recurring, we'll have to go back to the voters in 2030 no matter what you do. 4K builds our district and is a big part of our future growth. We want to have room to grow as many buildings as is feasible. If that state changes, if the state changes 4K to an all day program, we want to be ready for that growth, too. Efficiency
012and equity are not just about class size. I applaud your efforts for that. Special education is not efficient nor cost effective, but we don't penalize our special education students for their diverse needs. We are happy and proud to serve their needs. If only one school closes, some say would be pitting one school against the other. If you close two, you would be pitting four schools against two. Closing one school would save $1.7 to $2 million operating costs per year with an $80 million budget. I'm confident that Bonnie and the rest of you can guide us well, whatever decision you make. Okay. Hudson's charm and strength and future is in its community neighborhood schools. We can make this work with at least five elementary schools. Let's roll up our sleeves, think outside the box, and move
013forward. Six is best. Five is better than four. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Scott. Next, we have Keegan McConna. Hi. Uh, my name is Keegan McConna. Um, I'm just here on behalf of the school closure. Um, I appreciate the words he just shared and I I'm trying to find the the words for this. Um, I'm a Holton grad. I'm fourth generation. My sons, the last of which is in fifth grade out there, fifth generation. I I grew up in Holton. Holton is a unique community and I don't want to say it's better than Willow. I'm not pitting the two schools against each other. I'm just here to try and understand where we go from here. Um there's developments going up in Holton. I know we look at numbers. We talk about growth. Holton
014is still growing. It's unique. It's got threeacre minimums. It's a challenge, but I I've got a brother in a neighboring district. his my niece and nephew pass four elementary schools to get to school. I had hoped to get a a better picture at the budget. I from what I understand the bus has a significant budget impact for the school. If they're only going to go to North Hudson, but then you got to push kids out of North Hudson. I don't know how the boundarying works, stuff like that. Um, I just I look at the uniqueness of Holton and if that school goes away, what happens to the community out there? Like I said, there's developments going in. My parents are about to move out of their house, possible families moving in, and if if a
015school's closed and there families looking at busing these significant distances, I remember my high school was right here. this never existed. I had an hourlong bus ride going home at the end of the day. Um, as an older student, it was okay, but I look at elementary age kids and putting them on a bus for 20, 30 minutes, much longer, just I have more memories as a elementary student than I do as a high school student. Those years are critical. and if you're going to start busting students further. Um, I just wanted to share my thoughts for for you to take into consideration. Um, I may be unique in the number of generations I've been here and that, but uh, I mean, I guess there are those of us out here. I've got neighbors that
016are looking at their kids going there and I wanted to share my thoughts. >> Thank you, Mr. Mcconey. Andy Andy Rhymes Schneider I'm sorry I'm making that one really bad. Too many letters for me I guess. Good evening. I'm Andy Reman Schneider. Um I'm a Holton dad. So the closures mean a lot to us. Um, we're new to the community as of three years ago, but I have a kindergartener and a first grader, so it's passionate to us. Um, but what I wanted to know or I guess ask, bring up, I do mortgages for a living. And so what I've been seeing in the Holton School District as a whole, but also in St. Joseph Township, there are a ton of developments just like Mr. McConna just pointed out. Um, Bonnie brought up the UYU
017property that's going to be closing here in the next school year. there are 500 homes posted to go there. You know, that's going to be a lot of families, a lot of kids. Um, just like Mr. Ellingsson said earlier, too, you can maybe squeeze these kids into four buildings, but what happens when those 500 homes are built there? There's another builder in Hudson that has they own the land right now. They're putting 300 homes in there in the next couple years. Um, that's just two developments that I know of. I know of several more that might be 30 here, 20 there. But I think it's reasonable to think there's going to be a lot of people moving into the community with kids, a lot of family. Where does that put us in a couple years?
018We're talking about closing schools now. I grew up in Still Water. They closed two of their elementary schools. Now they had to acquire new property. They're building another new building for a new elementary school. How's that going to look for the budget? It just I want to make sure we have the future foresight, which I know is hard to do, but we've got to look ahead. We can't solve a problem that's right now. We've got to see where our future heads. As far as St. Joseph goes with our 3acre minimums, that's what people want. People want space. They're moving over from Minnesota. They're moving into our area because it's very desirable. So, I just, like I said, wanted to bring up that point on on what I'm seeing in my life every day. Thank you.
019And Andy, >> the Kesler kids. Um, my name is Ellie Kesler. I'm a fifth grader at Hol Elementary. I have two younger siblings who also go there and one who will. If we close both Willow River and Holden Elementary, the classes will have more students, which makes it harder for some kids to learn. It also affects my brothers and their friends who would go to different schools and be split up. One of my favorite things about Holden Elementary is the community, and I don't want to give that up. Thank you. >> Thank you. My name is Sam Kesler and I'm in Holton Elementary and third grade. This year in third grade there is 27 students including me. It is exhausting. If both schools are closed, all of the classes will be big like mine. Thanks.
020My name's Jack and and I like my teachers in my school. I'm in first grade and I do not want to have to go to another school. I love Holden Elementary. Thank you. And uh Kristen, you have something to say? >> I do. Thank you. Good evening. I'm a mom of three current Holton students and one future Raider class of 2040. She was here and now has a voice compared to when she was a baby attending these meetings. Um I'm a logical thinker. I look at all the data. I try to make evidence-based decisions in work and life. I think that the data clearly demonstrates the trend of declining enrollment in the district overall. The budget deficits are also clear. I don't deny the facts. Past decisions on spending and inadequate state funding have led
021us to the point where closing a school and reducing unutilized spots is the board's main strategy to balancing our budget. As I have said in my emails, the decision should not be based on fear, emotions, or nostalgia. It should not be based on the fear of pitting two schools against each other or the fear of upsetting the community more than once. We don't have to just rip off the band-aid. As our elected board, you need to collect as much data as possible to weigh the impact of your decision on not just the budget, but on the quality of education our schools provide. You need to look at the impact for not just the 2026 through 2028 school years, but for the future of our students and community. While I understand the demographic trends, past studies
022that drove redrawing elementary boundaries predicted wrong in the past. If we could look ahead to the future, we would see clearly what was the right decision, but we can't do that. So given the uncertainty and the potential for future development in the St. Joseph area, I ask the board to take a conservative approach. Let us not be shortsighted and closed to schools only to regret it down the road like Stillwater. I'm certain we will not be able to pass another referendum in the next few years for capital or operations having been someone very involved in uh holding signs and and we pass that by six votes. So uh I don't think we'll have that opportunity soon. Let's take a conservative approach to monitor the impact of closing schools on capacity, enrollment, class sizes, annual cost
023savings, the budget, student learning, busing, staffing. then we can monitor the evolving development and demographic trends. Each time I've come to the board, I've cautioned about being shortsighted. I encourage the board again to avoid making a hasty decision to weigh the impact of the options on the table of closing one or two schools. Make a conservative decision that protects the quality of education today, but also protects the future of education and our community. Thank you for supporting our students and our schools. >> Thank you, Kristen. We have a Dane >> Dane Nordby. Is it Dana? Sorry. >> My name is Dana Norby. I am also a Holton resident and my child started at Holton Elementary last year. Um I love Mrs. Kesler's factbased approach and I love the kids. Thank you for doing that. I'm
024more speaking from my heart. Um and I just learned about the meeting last minute otherwise I would have looked nicer than this. But um I want to urge you to reconsider closing Colton Elementary. We moved a year ago from Plymouth, Minnesota where we were at a school of over a thousand kids. We had seven first grade, second grade, third grade classrooms, every classroom. Uh my daughter hated it. We moved to the country to get space and small schools. And we love our school. And splitting up these kids. They're in a tiny school. They grew up together in this tiny school. Splitting them up is just heartbreaking for me to see happen. Not only that, but my daughter is already traumatized. The buses are packed this year. So, and the bus rides are excess of 30
02540 minutes home for a school that's 2 mi away from us. I can't imagine what it's going to be like for these kids if they have to bus even further. I don't know why the state guidelines says an hour is okay. It's not okay for little kids to sit on buses that long. Um, so they're going to go now from a small school to pack buses to pack schools. I we moved here to get away from all of this and more people are moving here. My friends, our families, they want to have their kids in the country. I I don't believe that all these homes are selling to people without small kids. That's not what I'm seeing in my neighborhood and I don't I think the trend will continue. I'm just urging you to think
026twice about closing Holton Elementary. Thank you. >> Thank you, Kelly Ter Smith. Hi, I'm Kelly Toer Smith. I have five kids in the district. One currently at Holton and the other four have aged through. Holton Elementary is far more than just one of the top performing schools in the entire state of Wisconsin. It's a community and it's a place where we teach our kids how to function as part of a community. We lost a partner to a drunk drunk driver back in 2022. Two of our children had just started their first year in public school, having been homeschooled before then. As soon as the teachers and staff had learned what had happened, there was a huge outpouring of love and support and encouragement, a whole social safety net that we never anticipated having. It helped
027us immensely just to be able to keep going day by day. Closing this elementary school doesn't make sense in a myriad of logical reasons, but it also doesn't make sense from a community standpoint. If we close Holton, the entire district will be worse for it in ways that are both quantifiable and not. Thank you. >> Thank you, John Dolan Hudson Barrett and I'm here to advocate to keep Holton Elementary open in the face of current bud budget challenges. I was at the board meeting earlier this year when the past board criti crit critiqued and borderline criticized the parents of Hudson for not organizing better to get the past operating referendum passed. So what did we do? We heard the call and we met the challenge. We organized and Holton parents specifically took key leadership roles
028of getting the operating referendum passed even when our student body is the smallest in the entire district. We delivered when the district needed us. This was despite the fact the knowing that our school that or sorry that most of the referendum would go to other schools budgets and our school was still at risk of closure. This was also in the face that Holton was specifically excluded from the past capital referendum in favor of building a new gym media center and media center at a different school. Since then and for many years really, our kids and teachers have also delivered for the district and continue to do so. We are the top ranked school in the district and our kids deliver some of the best scores in the entire in in the entire state. In addition,
029our township has also delivered. Holton has the most stable enrollment in the whole district as an an is a true outlier compared to the enrollment trends at all of the other schools. All of them. Holton is the only outlier. The district is facing a potential $8 million budget shortfall without the referendum. Closing Holton can't solve this problem. Holton specifically is literally the smallest operating cost of any school in the district and the least beneficial to the budget if closed. Closing schools also won't save the problem. Even if you close both Holton and Willow and the referendum ends because it's non-renewable, the district is still facing $4 million in costs that have to be renewed that have to be removed. The only options are to cut costs at all school schools, programs, and additional staff benefits.
030Or you can come back to taxpayers again and ask us for our support again to rise to the challenge in a few years to support a new referendum. Please don't make a short-sighted decision and take away 149 years of history in Holton based off this short-term decision. Don't take away our school when we delivered when the district needed it. >> Thank you, >> Eleanor Alexander. Okay. Um, first of all, thank you for letting us speak. I apologize if my remarks are not as organized as I would like them to be. I didn't realize speaking was an option today. So, I frantically uh frantically wrote some notes down. So, apologies if I'm not as well spoken as I would like to be. Um, okay. So, my husband and I and our two small children moved here
031from South Minneapolis about a year and a half ago. Um, one of the big draws was the wonderful schools here. Um, I appreciate the data that you guys provided in that Google Drive. I think those were files uploaded by Nick. Um, I was surprised when I looked at that data, especially the enrollment data, to see that we aren't at an unprecedented enrollment low. We're actually very close to where we were in 2001, but granted I understand that in 2001 we had one less school. Um, what concerns me about that is um, like I said, I'm getting caught up to speed since I'm new here, but it appears to me that enrollment in the early 2000s was growing, growing, growing at a very quick pace. It was anticipated to do so. So, um, Riverrest was built.
032Three years later, enrollment dropped, declined, declined, declined. So, we now find oursel with essentially, you could look at it as an extra school, a surplus of a school. Um, so I see in addition to the budget reasons why we're kind of in this situation, what I want to um, and similar theme to many people here is caution against an um, a quick and um, potentially over and irreversible reaction if we close both schools because trends are not infinite. Trends are cyclical. We are on the precipice of a potential turn in the housing market due to the 18-year housing cycle. If the housing market crashes and prices finally come down, everyone cross your fingers, but um we will see millennials buying houses in droves because they can finally afford to leave their apartments and their starter
033homes. Um we are also seeing at least from my personal experience uh sorry I'm trying to talk fast. Um my block alone had two children um three years ago. Since then it is up to five children and two young couples who I think are an unrepresented underrepresented voice here. people who don't have kids or have young kids who aren't even aware that this is really happening. Two of those couples have bought um houses on our block vacated by oxygenarians and another house on the block is about to do the same. So our block alone with 12 houses could go from two children to 10 plus children in the next 5 years. So I totally understand like if this is necessary and we close it, I hope it is necessary, but I just want to make
034sure our district is protected in case we do see a reversal in trends, which does happen. Trends don't always stay forever. Um, so I would humbly ask that if a school has to be closed, the district consider hanging on to the property for 3 to seven years. Seven, I know is probably not feasible, but I researched and most districts that encounter the issue of closing schools and then having a enrollment stabilization or spike and then needing more space, that usually happens between 3 to seven years. So, if we could at least hold on to those properties to give ourselves an escape hatch, um, that would be appreciated by the community. >> Thank you, Ellen. Adele Dolan. Thank you for listening to all of us. I had a lot of things written down, but all I
035can say is hear here because we have heard from parents and from children. We've been here so long. I've seen so many changes that our kids went to three of the different elementary schools. I know about redistricting, but Holton has become a special place because my grandchildren are there and I know how it's kind of off in the ether somewhere, but it's really important of St. important part of St. Joseph Township and I think like everyone else that being shortsighted is not the best thing to do. And I have a heart for Willow River as well because that's a community where they support the other schools that are nearby like St. Pats and Trinity. And I think if we can make use of the space, even parts of it, just use a little creativity so
036we don't have kids bust so far and squished so tight. Thank you. >> Thank you, Colin Marac. That's close. Thank you for hearing all of us. Put me after kids uh and the sentiment that they bring uh and all of the the fine talking points that people have had so far having to rearrange some of the uh prepared uh notes that I've had. My name is Colin Maro. My wife Sarah and I have lived in the Holton uh district for four years now. We moved here from the cities specifically uh looking to Holton because of the school. We have a 7, five, and three-year-old second grade kindergarten and a three-year-old who desperately wants to go to Holton Elementary with his older brothers. Uh I'm going to I'm going to talk about three quick points, most
037of which have been discussed tonight, but a little different perspective. The first is the referendum that passed in April. The second is the proficiency standards that were discussed at the August 25th uh school board uh open session, working session uh and the impact that increased class sizes would have on that. And the third uh is another talking point that has been discussed here tonight uh and the prudency and and in making decision on whether to close one versus two. first of the referendum, understanding that previous referendums uh have failed by percentage points of two, three, 4%. This referendum passed and regardless of whether it passed by six six votes or seven votes, it passed. The spirit of its passage was to keep the schools open. I understand the idea of the misinformation that was out
038there related to passing the referendum would keep the schools open. We as an electorate understood that the district's language was a yes vote may keep the schools open. A yes vote is not guaranteed to keep to keep the schools open, but a no vote certainly would have sealed the school's fate. So by voting yes, the electorate turned out and voted yes. Clearly sending a message to the school board that they wanted to keep the schools open. The proficiency is that is that my two minutes? >> It is. I I'll I'll wrap up. >> From a proficiency perspective, uh it was discussed uh 3% versus more. I 100% agree with Mrs. Gerlock, uh, that it should be far greater than a 3% year-over-year increase. But that's a conversation for a different day. If you jam kids
039into schools, increase school sizes, you may very well decrease those proficiency standards. You could be the school board who closes schools in a short-sighted way, being pennywise and pound foolish, trying to save money. when if when we see an increase in school size uh class sizes again, the costs for capital expenditures to increase the existing schools will far outweigh the money that was saved. So, I implore you to be the school board that votes with the p the community in keeping the schools open and increasing proficiency standards and I implore you to keep Holton Elementary open. Thank you so much. Uh >> last we have Justine Lindrren. Hi, good evening. I'm Justine Lingren. This is my husband, Nick, and our son, Landon. Um, four years ago, this October, we moved from St. Louis Park, Minnesota
040out to Holton, Wisconsin. And it has been the biggest blessing for our family and our kids. We have a fourth grader at Holton Elementary, a third grader at Holton Elementary, and this is Landon, and he just started kindergarten at Holton Elementary. This school is special. We are pleased. We're asking you from the bottom of our hearts not just to look at pennies and dollars and savings, but what's right for the community, what's right for families, and what's right for our children. I have friends in Minnesota who have their third grade classes are 33 students in one class. Their bus rides are over 90 minutes. I feel like it's just very, very shortsighted. And I know you guys have been since we moved here four years ago, we've heard rumors and now being Holton um as
041our community, we've heard that it's always been in the rumblings, but it never has happened. And I just I just really hope that you just take a pause and see what's coming this way because everyone here that you're hearing from Holden, we're from Minnesota. People are moving with kids. It's cheaper in Wisconsin than it is in Minnesota. I'll tell you that much. It is. Property taxes, maybe not, but everything else has been. And people are catching on. They're catching on to our good school districts. And I just I just really really hope that you guys aren't acting too premature. And this little guy has something to say. What do you >> I want to be safe. So we couldn't move and make like a lot of money. >> I want hor to stay open. >>
042And I'll just add that we moved out here number one reason because of the Hudson district. And I feel like um closing two if not one school um it's not how we grow, it's not how we improve, it's not how we keep what what this district has sustained and been ranked in the in the in the state. Uh it actually has exact opposite effect effect by closing two schools. Um not only do I feel but it um I know that it'll it'll put us into an academic decline slowly and then rapidly. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Do we have time for one more? Um, if we can keep it to two minutes, we can still hit our deadline for going with our posted meeting. So, uh, Erin, if you'd like to speak. >> Thank
043you for the last minute entry and opportunity. Um, sitting here, I I'm not trying to pit two schools against each other. I've heard Holton, and I've know wonderful families that have children and families that have gone through Holton. I'm here to represent Willow River. Um, also from Minneapolis, I moved here with my husband as he is a graduate from EP Rock to middle school to high school. My mother-in-law was a high school student at Willow River before it changed. Um, and so I'd think the big implore is to I have a seven-year-old and a four-year-old, so one at Willow River currently, um, doing cheer camp in the gym right now. And as a diehard Minnesota, diehard Minneapolis student, um, it was hard to come to a place that I didn't know, a small, but the
044community has opened itself. Willow River has been amazing. The community has been amazing, but the Hudson school district is so strong that I would implore that as the education association said, six is best, five is better, four I don't think will be sustainable. So, thank you. >> Thank you. With that, we'll take a recess to prepare for the annual meeting which starts at 6:30 and then after that meeting is over, we will uh come back to finish this meeting that is on the agenda. Nick, thank you.