001like insanely nice outside it's so I was like it'd be nice what if we had a board I was actually thinking about it like okay whenever you're ready how do we do thats okay on this beautiful fine day um I call this special meeting uming policy on March 13th we have a few items to approve minute and so I will go through that um I move to approve the minutes from the special meeting and Open Session dated July 22nd 2024 second I'm sorry second all those in favor by okay that passes he just went on camera okay I move I move to approve the minutes from the special meeting and Open Session dated August 27 20 second second Al Le all those in favor he that's four four Z motion passes I move to approve
002the minutes from the special meeting and Open Session dated February 195 second second Ali all those in favor okay that's four zero sorry Megan I didn't ask you okay so we are going to be moving in um we have four policies tonight one regarding our Title Nine as well as um a policy that we worked on as a board um in one of our Retreats um around the expectations slash work ways of working for the board and then to um from that uh 15 the original 1540 par out some um Poss is around job descriptions and then conflict of interest so we'll start with um Title Nine policy 8802a and we have avetta here with us tonight um who will go ahead and give us um context as to um the changes and the updates
003um and then from that point we'll then go into conversation about that policy and all of these are considered our first read tonight go ahead avetta if you are there hi everyone can you hear me okay yes good um again hello everyone I'm I'm pretty sure I've I've met all of you but again my name is evetta Sloan I'm the title n coordinator for the district um I hope everyone's having a great evening I don't have a whole lot prepared so I'm you know not going to take up too much of your time but um if you recall I was before you all back in June June of 202 for to present changes to the district's 2020 Title 9 policy to bring it in compliance with new regulations that came out in 2024 um so
004for example some of the 2024 changes did things like um broaden the scope of what would what what is considered sexual harassment under title 9ine um it added protected categories such as gender identity sexual orientation um sex characteristics sex stereotypes um it provided flexibility on how to file complaints um it just changed things like you know complaints had to be signed versus you know it could be something verbal over the phone it um it provided flexibility in participating in informal resolution it extended um review periods just just some other like complaint process related items it it there were some Chang es there so um at that time we needed to update our 2020 policy um we ended up you know making some really minor changes to bring it in compliance and I say we made
005really minor changes because if you recall um I mentioned back then that our 2020 policy pretty much already encompassed much of um what were considered new regulations um for the feds so you know for us nothing really Chang changed every you know since that time since updating it um everything's still pretty much been flowing the same um you know nothing nothing has changed for us in how we do things and who's protected um but as you can imagine with the new Administration coming in um as of January 9th those 2024 changes were vacated and institutions have been instructed to revert back to 2020 um so I mean that's basically why I'm here tonight is um to propose the changes that we made to our that we made to our current Title 9 policy it just
006simply reverts us back um to our previous 2020 policy um and again like I stated back then these changes aren't going to change much much for us um the changes in 2024 didn't create any significant shift in how we do things and reverting back isn't going to um make much of a change um you know so for example no protected yes oh it's Petra can I just say one quick thing about the uh papers that everyone has in front of them Selena what they're looking at y so I was just about to bring that upor um um so there are some copies in front of you and just for example like no protected categories are going to be lost um with this revision into 2020 and that's why those copies are in front of you
007um I wanted to make sure that the policy reflects those same categories so that was one last revision that I made to the policy um after documents and things had been uploaded so you'll notice in that first paragraph um another change that I I just recently made but that just includes all those same categories those are the same categories that were um we considered in 2020 those are the categor for the 2024 regulations and they'll be the same going forward I just happened to notice that those weren't identified in our Title 9 policy and I think that has a lot to do with because it's our 812 policy which is our non-discrimination policy that really breaks down all of the categories that are covered so I think when they um Extended our non-discrimination policy and
008had 812a which is Title 9 they just used the term sex for everything um but I just thought it was important to make sure that although I know what groups are are protected and you know all of us and legal services do um that you know families and students and folks that are reading the policy actually see um the protected groups that are that are covered in our policy so that's why you have those copies Petra if you wanted to add anything else about those copies go ahead thank you so much avetta um just so everyone understands so there are two red lines and I know generally there's one so the first red line I believe the ink looks kind of pink on it um that is the one that has Human Resources struck on
009the top if you can color difference there um so this is the original red line that we had submitted um previously and then when avetta had mentioned adding protected classes that is represented by the second red line there is text on page one that's highlighted so that's the additional prote classes that she just mentioned including back in and so if you can just imagine if these two were uh together that is what the proposed policy would be and so at the next time that we read it they will be incorporated so the only change um is on page one as she indicated and then if you flip so this is the one with the highlighted one to page three you'll see those same protected categories reflected there and so that would be the only additional
010change to the pink colored red line and that would that would be the entirety of the red line then Theos changes but just went over and we'll make sure to update both backs with the the the ones merged at um and then you also see here you'll see a proposed um changes so just imagine that um the what AA mentioned just about the um protected classes will be added in on that proposed policy and then the other document that has nothing redlined or anything marked is the um previous policy so it's what our current policy states um so again the proposed one is reverting back to our 2020 policy around um Title Nine and then I'm adding the the protected classes in there so give up given board members a few minutes just to kind
011of digest um I do see Ali's hand first are you prepared Ali to okay go ahead so my first question is there is a discipline and sanctioned space it says board members who violate this policy are subject to removal from their elected office being barred from the district premise District activities and may be structed to applicable remedies of law can you tell us what Gage started um second to last second to last so violations disciplines and sanctions okay my understanding is that in order for board members to be removed from their elected position they either have to resign or they have to be recalled um this doesn't mention either of those processes so I'm wondering how that works so this is that probably a question that I'll probably have to um consult and get back
012to you on that I'm I'm just going to be completely honest with you of course as you know that situation has never come up um in the time that I've been here um so I'll have to get some more clarity around how that portion of the policy is expected to be um executed if that happen if that were to happen yeah I mean I'm I'm asking just because I'm like it feels in consistent with my understanding um but but it is it is you know I I think it's educationally interesting and worth being informed about um my my second question and last question is really Title Nine is an expression of the federal government's policy um we have changed this policy in relationship to the last two administrations is there a reason why we're changing
013this policy Now versus is waiting to see what the current uh presidential Administration wants to do with Title 9 so I would give that to Pedro yeah and maybe Dr goth if you'd like to chime in yeah I mean so I can I can say and then if aeta wanted to fill in as well a dear colleague letter from the Department of Education was released uh saying that school districts now need to roll back to the 2020 regulations so it's Direct respon response to that letter directing us to do so yes yes that's my understanding can I ask who issued that letter oh was the Department of Education I can find the letter in it as well I guess I am curious about why that process looks so different than it has in the past
014two iterations of uh the administration basically I don't if feels strange to get have the Department of Education issue a note saying revert to this without going through the normal channels and process um to reestablish what what title9 should be you know what I'm Just sh you know just talking out loud and Petra you can tell me if I'm wrong my take is that the 2020 regulations were trumps like they that it was his administration it was his idea yes that it was their policy so it I think that the you know I think that the consensus is to pretend like 2024 never even happened and just go back to the you know what they how they had written it out that that was my take on it I feel like I understand that instinctively
015and I appreciate the explanation what I'm asking you though is is that legal is that a legal way that we run our government right now gonna pretend that there was no Administration between this version of the Trump Administration and the last are are we required to embrace that approach is that a legal approach to to ways of working yeah I appreciate the question I guess just to Circle back to my prior answer I'll be candid say that my colleagues in Lego worked more closely with our reasoning for adopting the change I did and so that's a question that I can definitely follow them and provide more clarity to in addition to the fact that we're respond okay I feel like that that question makes me tremendously uncomfortable um and the implications of what this process
016looks like are not uh not thing I can't enthusiastically Embrace that um and though and I I appreciate the work you all have done to to try to be in alignment with of Education um but I I feel like I need the answer to that question before I can vote to uh bring us bring us back four years that's it for me yeah thank you Ali I think we yeah we can definitely bring back response next time we read this um and then also um get the response just about the the board members in violation of the policy um I think one thing to note um with um avetta mentioned at the beginning was that even with reverting back to our 2020 um policy um our our children and our family like our our district
017is still protect like folks are still protected under that one but I I understand like I have the same thoughts um and I think like we still be protected in place so that's just my initial thoughts on that but yeah any other board members Laura yeah I'm sorry if if you already said this what what is not in the current proposed version that or the proposed version that's in the current version the yellow right so right so there's those just that def that's the only difference between what we have right now and what we're proposing is to add just no no okay so let me explain it again so the redline version I know the redline version is what we originally submitted to refer back to 2020 and so that is so it takes the
018one with no red line redlines it right right you come up with the proposed so yeah so I guess what I'm however then avetta caught that we should probably be explicit and when we say who's protected and so she's adding the yellow into that propose right right and I and I appreciate adding those categories I feel like really important right now and I'm I don't feel at all capable of looking at both of these in full and comparing word for word at this moment to see what we're taking out in order to be in compliance with what they're asking for so I'm wondering is there somebody here who has done that say what I I'm assuming we're losing some protections I'm just I'm just starting is that true true well we're not because um our
0192020 policy yeah we already included things like sexual orientation and gender identity and we have two categories covered under our Title 9 policy one is sexual harassment and that encompasses like all of the definitions of sexual harassment that that are defined at the federal level but we also include a ction for sexual misconduct and that's kind of like I mean I hate to say it this way but it is it's a catchall for anything else that doesn't fall under you know um what's typically considered sexual harassment if it's not quidd proquo or it's not you know one of the serious offenses like sexual assault or rape there's a lot of other things that can go on like you know picking on someone based on a sex characteristic you know calling calling a email a you
020know a stereotypical name things like that that do happen um that is also covered that's what falls in that sexual misconduct category so again yeah our that 2020 policy that mmsd has from what the feedback that I've received is like our the program at mmsd has always done above and beyond a lot of other districts um and it it captures everything so going back to it we're not losing anything and we were already a step ahead of the game when we were under the 2020 regulations the 2024 regulations we we changed um things like the wordings of definitions but we didn't hardly change anything about our process we didn't change anything about who's covered it it didn't change you know who can file a complaint how they can file a complaint are program has pretty
021much remained consistent okay so why did we change the wording of definitions Clarity or to be more expansive or I changed I changed the wording of definitions to match the 2020 four definitions so when that when that um when those regulations came out I forget what it's called but it's like, 1500 pages long and so I went through that and made sure that we were defining everything the same way that they were defining everything okay so then now go ahead so then in the proposed version we're reverting back to the other the def definition from 2020 exactly say which were exactly which were in compliance with the 2020 regulations okay so other than the definition what else should we be aware of that is a difference between the 2020 and the 2024 nothing has changed
022as far as our process there are things that have to do with the complaint process um for example under the 2020 regulations you have to file a formal complaint in order to be provided the option of informal resolution under the 202 under the 20124 regulations that was not the case you could offer informal resolution without someone filing a complaint so there are pieces of the complaint process that were tweaked and adjusted under 2024 like that that were changed but that type of information isn't in the policy that type of information is in the sexual harassment procedure manual okay and so that accompanies the policy whenever we share the policy with folks we also share that manual so all that information will match 2020 regulations but there were a lot of changes under 2020 4 that
023are not necessarily reflected in that policy but what was reflected was you know making sure our definitions were in alignment um such as a formal complaint under 2020 a formal complaint was defined as a signed document right under 2024 a formal complaint could be a verbal request for the district to investigate so if you look at formal complaint in the policy those were the kinds of definitions that were updated accordingly and are we being required to to remove that option of the informal yes if we're going back to 2020 regulations the 2020 regulations don't allow to offer someone the option for informal resolution without them filing a formal complaint okay thank you for answering my questions I I have to say I don't feel at all prepared to count this first read through okay I
024feel like I have to actually read through and for you what what makes you feel that you're not prepared to have a um because it's well first of all because I'm just really we about making changes based on this um this requirement without feeling like I fully understand every Nuance of of what we're we're changing okay um I just want to be really cautious yeah what would be helpful in the sake of just like the process that we kind of like help craft the process better would it be helpful for you to feel comfortable with any policy yeah um moving forward after a first read I think this one is just particularly because it's dense because we have four versions that we're comparing and because it's a politicized topic right now this feels different okay
025and so for this one in particular like I I would I want to go through my two before saying I've given it a first read okay okay so I did email this out last week to everyone and I again as a person who my own self don't always like get to emails um in time I think what we can do is hopefully bring back some more context I still consider this a first read yeah but that's just me but if the board feels like you know the direction that we want to go is this is not a first read then we'll have to figure that piece out um but we can bring back feedback um we can follow up with you all with questions that you may have to help you um kind of go
026through the policy to get ready for the second read um and again the second read doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to have it in our next work group right um we'll take back the information so that we'll have some time and so that will hopefully allow board members to also engage with the policy and kind of like go through it a little more um in depth based off of the information that we're getting tonight um from avetta and from Pedra about um some of the how we've conceptualized and made changes does that sound sufficient I mean that sounds great to me but you know I'm not gonna even be voting on this so oh man I forgot we're so you know like you all can say this is sufficient and and what I'm saying
027it I'm just saying that for the record yes like I would I would want more lot more time with anything that comes through that's politicized and that's sense and that could have elements of yeah in it absolutely and I I respect that a lot absolutely it's the times that we're in but could I Circle back to what board member mro had asked so I went through my notes and I I olizee I should have my colleague in legal who actually works on the title N Stuff be present because I don't this isn't my work stream um so the reason that we would have to adopt this President Trump ordered all agencies and departments to enforce the 2020 regulations that include OCR the office of civil rights and OCR is the one that enforces Title Nine
028and so it's on that basis that my colleagues in legal the 20 again unfortunately I'm not the one that works with this day and so I can't speak to all the nuances of it but I'd love to bring one of my colleagues back at the next read who can answer more specific questions to the extent that um avetta may not be the right person to answer those questions but also aeta if you'd like to um jump in on that point so I understand what you're saying really do Donald Trump has ordered people to do that my question is is that the legal process and the example I want to give is that Biden could have said I want to revert to the Obama's approach to title n right but he didn't he he engaged in
029a multi-year process to do that legitimately so I am concerned about complying with Donald Trump's order in terms of legitimizing a process that I am unaware up to this point is legitimate have not seen that approach to Title 9 by any other Administration so I know he did that is he legally allowed to do that is the question since I'm not seen other administrations engage in that way I would assume that there is a process that folks are usually required to engage thank you for understand that yeah I understand that as well and Petra thanks for for bringing that up I think sometimes you know I know that the directive came from the OCR and I I sometimes I think that's just a given that every you know that everybody knows that but I think
030that you know I've been to a number of trainings um all title n professionals you know the tixa professionals group of lawyers um Renning and Lewis I mean they're all providing trainings to title n professionals that yes that this was the directive and we need to revert back to 2020 um I think that's a good point that you make Ali and you know I think that's an excellent point that you make I'm just saying that ironically or honestly I haven't heard any any of those professionals even mention that right it's just this is the directive the dear colleague letter came out this is what we're told to do so I think that's that's good to question that you know I personally don't have the answer to it um I'm I'm just going by what you
031know what what I've been told we definitely will make sure get some more contacts and some more feedback yeah absolutely okay um I see Blair's hand next oh oh was somebody else hand up sorry I didn't it uh aied me um just uh sort of like as you're working on finding more context for uh board member mold's questions I would be similarly curious about um what if any like legal challenges to this are there out there um yeah and I'm thinking about other circumstances where there are legal challenges to to to some well I'm thinking of Act 10 challenges to an actual judge's ruling and we um don't make changes until that's sorted um and this is not coming from a judge's ruling this is coming from something else so I'll be curious um in
032your in your research and context elction about that than thank you for for that as well um I think Michelle did you have anything El no okay huh oh okay um savan give you a chance you're good okay go ahead Blair any other question and I apologize for coming in a little bit late um when I'm looking at the setup here like the purpose definitions and then on and on do I understand that the that we have a little bit of like the purpose is where we can um talk about our own our own stuff that's local to the district versus the definitions which are linked to the um federal policy AA do you want to take that one yeah I mean I just you know as a rule of thumb you know thought that
033it would be the best idea to have the definitions because sexual harassment is you know as far as Title Nine goes it is defined at the federal level um and that's provided in in that 15-page document so and so those are the regulations that we follow so we have to follow those definitions and so when you talk about are you talking about that first paragraph there the purpose I think I'm just trying to understand where we have local Authority and where we have to be exactly in line with what the Federal Regulation says yeah do you know what I mean yeah I know that so the Federal Regulations are like the minimum standard we have to meet we can add we can add to that and that is what we've done right so for example
034just because the 2024 or some of the protections from 2024 have gone away we don't have to take those away we can always add to it it's it's just the federal the regulations are our starting point that's helpful um in line with that uh the part where sorry where we change severe or pervasive I'm in um section M yes y yep goes from yeah can you tell me about that change yeah that is one of the the required changes and so that's when I talk about um so the 2024 regulations kind of expanded or widened um the range of what can be covered or considered as sexual harassment and that's how they did that with just one word so under 2020 I believe it's severe pervasive or and so it had to be one or
035the other and then 2024 they changed the or no no I take that back 2020 2020 was severe and so it had to meet both criteria right so 2024 changed the word and to or broadening that hor right widening that that pool right because it could be either one now we've just reverted to 2020 which puts us back with the or so it has to be one or the other so it it it closes that pool a little bit of what could be considered but again that's when I bring up our sexual misconduct which is n and that's why we have that so that we are cap we're we're we are still capturing the more because what doesn't fall under sexual harassment we can capture it under sexual misconduct okay does that make sense yes
036that's really helpful thank you for I didn't have the wording right in front of me so yeah but you got it yes that was one of those those uh mandated changes okay okay thank you is that all for you one more okay go um in section 2 D the 20204 policy said that the policy applies to conduct that takes place within the district's education program or activity and conduct that is subject to the district's disciplinary Authority which includes the full range of employee policies and that goes away that that second Clause goes away in the proposed new version um can you speak to that a little bit yes so that was another one of those changes that um broadened that that pool of what can be considered and so under 2024 um it required that
037um any Behavior any conduct policy that we had that regulated conduct um Title 9 would also cover that um I can't think of one off the top of my head but yes under 2020 um we were not held to that standard so that that is not going to apply anymore okay thank you that's that's it for me for now thank you um for the questions um Nelle you more okay any other question looking like none again we'll come back um with some of the answers and a little more flushed out like rationale um for the board my hope is to figure out the policy committee when we will bring it back um or second read um but during that time we'll make sure like in the meantime to update everyone with like a memoir or
038something to kind of outline the questions that folks had tonight to be prepared for for that next read um and there's not any suggestive changes from board members um so it's really for context um for folks to kind of go so DJ I'll trying to read people's facial expressions this is hard I won't not toight okay um thank you all um for um the great question about the Title Nine and thank you AA for giving the context and answering our questions okay thank you have a good night you're welcome Happy night okay so we are moving on to policy 1540 um 1540 originally was the expectation for school board members um and if you all recall we um took Retreat time last year um to sit down and as we were thinking about our board
039governance um to kind of like flush out some of the um governance pieces that the board um engages in um and at that time we hadn't necessarily um we hadn't um and still haven't but um considered a governance model um but we were in that works of um determining possible movement on that and our president um Nichols uh came forth with some ideas things that we can work on in the meantime which was for 1540 um the expectations of Schoolboard members from that if you guys remember we had a pretty extensive conversation looking at um some policies of other districts um hearing districts that had um policies around governance for their boards um and we engaged in going pretty extensively line from line um figuring out the ways that we want to craft um our
040ways of working and so what came out of that was a redlines or a new version of 1540 which is um now titled expectations ways of working for Schoolboard members of education and it pulled out um some uh pieces that we thought were part of a job description um for school board members which would be considered a new policy um and with that we also kind of tweaked the language um to also match how we wanted to um engage uh with the work and then um the last part of 1540 where um we talk about the conflict of interests we moved that to its own standing alone policy which is also considered a new policy which is the conflict of interests um of a school board member or Board of Education um and then we
041also engaged in the conversation around tweaking that one as well um although we participated in that um exercise um that was not considered our first read but that's fine um so this is where we are considering it our first read so that we can continue some of the work that we've we've done as a board um last summer um and so yes we can go ahead if you guys see you'll have the redline version of 1540 which will still be a policy and then the two new ones that we parsed out um and so let's first start with um 1540 if folks have questions about expectations or ways of work and so essentially when you look at it you see the blue are the pieces that we are changing or adding language to and then
042the red parts are the parts that we actually are taking out and moving into other places um and then the the black are the ones that are staying under this policy um just so like folks can kind of understand how that works go ahead um I'll I'll just start by saying I appreciate seeing the clean version of 1540 after we had worked on it a couple of times in a the board retreat and um yeah the original version even though it's hard to even if you look at the the not Redline version the original version that had 17 items we I don't know if any remembers this but we went through all 17 and then it was like oh which ones of these are like more like expectations ways of working which of these would
043be like the job description of a board member um and then there was a item item 17 in the original which is around the conflict of interests like just as you said like putting it in its own policy dock so to me I appreciate just seeing all of it kind of cleaned out and it feels a lot more um succinct um kind of easier to digest and although these aren't necessarily new things like they're all coming from an existing policy anyway I I think that um it feels cleaner to have like the three separate ones there there isn't anything of major substance that changes about what we what we um are pulling from the original 1540 yep that is true um I think there was just like here and there we tweaked some words to
044kind of like because the last time that we reviewed or last time that the board has reviewed this um 1540 which was the ethics of the for member um was back in 2010 and then again in 2017 so um yeah that's a pretty decent amount of time so yeah it's okay folks savan go ahead yeah uh this for conversations we've had it's nice to have them organized in this manner particularly the uh job description for a board member I think will help out with onboarding new members in the future and help uh educate to constituents what the role of a board member is thank you for that savan any questions about 1540 or the conflict of interest or the job description I'll just put them all together CL I wonder about um popping out his
045slasher for there for which one um number three in policy 1540 and one two three five six seven the eighth line of Po the new proposed conflict of interest policy as well as 13th line yeah oh and um also the 10 sters oh okay so updating like the gender language yep okay I didn't I don't think I saw it in the I don't see that so on 1540 um on 1540 okay number three ethical and fiduciary duty shall continue after a board member leaves his oh got it and I'm suggesting changing incidents of that to their elected office yeah yeah thank you and then was there something else Blair I'm it was the same thing in um the conflict of interest one conflict of interest yeah oh we can definitely do that um I have
046maybe two more comments yep go ahead one is like uh so for example um I was late to this meeting and I let the chair of the meeting know not the superintendent or the board president um which I was kind of under the impression was like the thing to do yeah so I wonder if we want to um indicate indicate that in job description number four okay and then my comment is about the job description number three be responsive to the public maintaining open communication lines with community members um I still think that we have some work to do on sort of like our Norms around using for email um not that it would fall into a policy conversation necessarily but um as I read that I I am reminded that um that's still something
047I feel like you know two years on the board still feel a little uncertain about when I am uh encouraged by the board to to respond to individual emails versus not um since that board email goes to so many people and there are concerns about um Rec and that kind of thing so you're thinking of like just thoughts of like maybe a way to frame that differently or no I think fine here um I'm just remind seeing it in policy that we need to sort of flush that out flush out our understanding of that those are my comments and questions thank you okay can I ask a followup to Blair yeah go ahead Blair as a followup on your um who you that number four yeah if a board member is unable to attend a
048meeting the board member will notify so right now it says the board president or superintendent but then you made a note about like oh or like the person who's chairing an actual meeting so we should are you suggesting to include um like or or the chair of a meeting or strike it chair committee no I would I mean I'm also happy to just like notify you and Dr goth instead of Maya at this time but you know you're calling the meeting to order so it makes more sense to me that yeah board member pearon would know that I'm running late um so maybe if a board member is unable to attend a meeting the board member will notify the board president comma superintendent comma or meeting chair yeah prior to the meeting yeah because I
049can also think of it in an instance like you know we had the safety Wellness ad hoc right like and I was sharing that it's not necessarily like a a board meeting per se but it's a subcommittee or ad hoc so yeah I think a committee for ad hoc chair some something like that to kind of Encompass all of it yeah yeah yeah I think I think the adding the Orit is good um I do think there's some inconsistency on how we all practice this yeah so yeah at least it gives us a baseline I mean inconsistency is not in a bad way it's not but I think sometimes people are also like just directly letting Jesse know and then maybe members of the board don't know um so again those are just things that
050we probably continue to practice and on savon's point like having this like more clear in your point of like not having it 17 things and having it more clear as to what each item is it makes it easier to kind of hopefully put this better in practice okay any other questions go ahead Laura yeah it's just a couple of suggestions okay for the expectations with working schol board member of educ um does Board of Education First of all on all three of these it states Board of Education right after the title it I'm assuming that's for clarity but it reads really strange yeah there a way to just note it that it reads a little um more like it's it's not like a running sentence so like and the comp of Interest want that might
051be the best way that it's it's it might be missing the are you talking about in the title yeah yeah oh that was just I think it's it's just a thing I'm missing uh the slash yeah because I I IND my bad um so and then expectations and ways of working I kind of feel like we should pick F okay they have kind of different [Music] meanings yeah yeah what do y'all think Ali go ahead I don't have an opinion of expectations or ways of working okay to be honest I I do have like in terms of the policy related to the board's role I am curious about kind of mention of the board's role in passing the budget the board's role in relationship to the superintendent and the board's relationship to policy itself I
052think of those as the three primary t as the board is assigned to and although I find this document to be useful um I find the absence of that in terms of our role in representing the public um to be misleading okay I also think the board's role in relationship to expulsion is specific and the board's role in relationship specific contractual obligations is specific and I'm curious about why the those things are not in the document in comparison to other things that feel more like um a code of conduct if I'm you know again ways of working expectations doesn't matter to me what we call it but it seems to resonate specifically in that way I I'll turn to Petra here for her um suggestions well wondering if because those are covered in State Statute
053a policy is first of all is it required obviously we canate create a policy anytime that that the board wishes to but it might be because of that I'll have to look into that what I would say is either way and I really appreciate you you stating that because that is how my awareness and orientation to the role was was dictated through State Statute um but I don't think there's any issue especially if we're going to use our own policy to inform the public of our role and we're going to use it to onboard folks to have a policy that reinforces what we're required to do legally by the state as we just saw we create policies that reinforce the federal government um we we have policies that should yeah that can speak to how
054we are positioned our jurisdiction um within within kind of legislation yeah no thank you that's it for me thank you for that um Ali yeah I was just gonna say I appreciate that I think when we were working on this in the retreat this last ways of working came into the convers because as we went through them it was like these are are these expectations or are they really telling us how to get along and to function together it seems like some of what was in the original was about ways of working which is why it ended up kind of like is this really about ways of working um and not so much about expectations and then and then we did have some conversations to your point about like what we're statutorily responsible for but
055that didn't necessarily end up per se in the job description um other than saying well we comply with the code of ethics for local government officials as set forth um Wisconsin statute so yeah I appreciate that I I do remember um board member Vander muan felt really strongly that like a reference to the state statutes needed to still remain um and it is in the conflict of interest and it's in the job description but not to the point that board member Malo just brought up so I think that could be an ad yeah I mean if you pull up 1959 the code of ethics local government official employees and candidates I mean there are it's pretty expansive so it talks about um no local public official may use their position um or office to obtain
056gain it goes into um like I think these ones are just more so like geared towards the ethics of being an elected official but I understand where you you're coming from Ali about um the state statutes that specifically talk about um School boards um I think we can like go back and possibly um figure out a way to add that if the board um feels like that would be a good so I'm hearing from the shelle and Ali feel like that's good um go ahead yeah and I'm not saying to add it to the the more extensive relationship to the ethics I do I understand that's I I was more so if we're we're talking about it as a job description right the duties related to being a board member should include yeah yeah the
057things that we are exclusively responsible for as members of board of the board and I think language related to our ability to represent the entirety of the community effectively as elected officials is relevant to the role yeah absolutely absolutely I agree um to answer your question further too just about like why it necessarily wasn't in there um just to piggy back off what Nichelle just mentioned I don't like I think we had a preliminary conversation so this is purely from the work that we did last summer last fall um but we will definitely take it back and updated based off that because I'm I'm hear I'm seeing nods from folks like absolutely um and finding ways that we can put that in legal terms go ahead s s Laura yeah no so I'll just share
058I I really clearly remember this conversation when we were when we were having it and it was about like just the level of detail that we wanted to include in here and then also ensuring that if statute change that we have the statute um listed here so that we didn't have to update the policy so but I agree you know if you're thinking about this in Practical terms it would be really nice to have our you know like roles just very clearly spelled out absolutely I mean like anywhere but here is the place that really on yeah absolutely thank you Qui clarifying question if I could board member mold I want to make sure I captured the things that you called out as potentially adding here um I Heard relationship to passing the budget relationship
059to the superintendent uh you mentioned expulsions and then specific contractual obligations that the board discusses was there I feel like I maybe miss something so policy superintendent okay representing the public said expulsion and budget expulsion and budget yeah are roles that are exclusive and specific uh to the board I think you would want people to understand that those those things are done explicitly by the Board of Education thank you that was good feedback okay any other questions or comments or adding go ahead can you just remind me date of the treat that we worked on them yeah that I put on it yeah May 10 2024 that was the date okay thanks yeah if you go back to um our emails I think um in September is um Nichelle put together a pretty extensive um
060kind of outline of what the changes were and so essentially how these came to be right here in of us is like I took that information and then like the varied emails that we had back and forth to kind of craft and put these together great so yeah if you if you check back that's when and I can for Bo it to yall if yall want just to have it at the top of your inbox so my last I think my last comment is about again expectations the first one on the expectations actually feels like two distinct um expectations that are just rolled into one so I would say encouraging the free expression of opinion by board members and then a period okay and then the second piece you know about systematic Communications is really
061a different um although a joining idea so so my recommendation would be to to split it into two numbers two two different numbers how do board members feel about that okay that [Music] sound would just say this sentence period and then this would be a new number it would be number two that makes sense okay any other questions comments edits that folks feel like um they would like to do at this moment in this first read go ahead Blair I wanted to say my favorite one in the ways of working document number seven I think it's really um really interesting and really powerful to to think about the you know what we want to see what kind of conversation and consideration of issues we hope to see in our schools for all of our students
062and how that how that shows up here I really like that one I like them all I really that that one's really cool okay thank you anything else y'all okay a lot of work on these yeah we did spent a lot of time ni in the here in the first street so in the next for these ones um again we'll bring the back to a second read um we'll make the update again informing you all of that um and then we'll also figure out numbers for the two new ones um so that they will actually have numbers that we can refer to um and if that's all I will entertain a motion adjourn move okay a second second by Michelle all those in favor I I in your advisory vote if you're still there hi
063okay well we are return yall have a good night