001e e e the bottom it should show up on board book [Music] see if I can try and it I'm ready you ready sure okay all right good evening thank you to all of you who came for this extra special meeting of the board education I'd like you all to join us by St pledge thank you pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you now I would ask the secretary to take the role please Christopher AAL here B Hansen here Matthew fips present Kei Shaw here Matthew stalling K TR here Tony thank you okay so um Mr velica advised me that he would not be able to be here this evening
002but we do have a quorum so we'll get right to it the first thing that we have is The Unfinished Business from the table motion from our last meeting before we start on that I just want to give you a little background information in case you need it as we go forward gentlemen the the first thing I want you to be aware of is the fact that uh valers was um unable to meet yesterday so they have not yet acted on this that's just to apprise you there um by state law failure to act by the deadline is taken as a no vote by the body okay um so if the body doesn't vote on it it counts as a no if you individually don't vote on it that counts as silence as Ascent so
003you accept what the majority decides so so um just just so you're clear on that um the other thing that I wanted you to be aware of is we do have the family here in case you have any question questions for them they're happy to to to speak if anybody needs any clarification or any help with anything thank you for coming we really appreciate that so procedurally what I need first is a motion and a second to take the item from the table because what was moved was to approve the request and I believe that was your motion I can't recall who the second was do you okay I I don't think it's critical because we know there was a motion in a second and then in discussion it was moved to be tabled so
004now we need a motion to take it from the table motion so we have a motion take it from the table I will happily second that so that we can get moving on this so all those in favor of taking this from the table so that we can discuss it signify by saying I anybody opposed hearing none now off the table and we're back to the motion which was to approve this request so do we already have a motion and a second on it still yeah yes the motion is second maintained because we never took a vote on that motion okay thank you Mr Mr chairman do we have any new information from the administrative staff about ways that we could accommodate these students needs in a different area besides this petition at this point
005did you want to speak to that well um the information that I received I believe was the same thing you probably got an email from uh DPI advisers or whatever that if we're to give exceptions we are opening ourselves up to litigation however I do want to make sure that in my comment is to understand that approving this annexation versus creating an exception are two different things yes if you were to approve this annexation there is no reason for an exception there in the school district it's all good only if we don't and then we were to do that now and my reason why I would like like to support it and I'd like to re reiterate is that um first of all let's think about it right now we know that only one district
006has to say no and it's not as of right now we compared to what we learned last time there are no other families affected by this from what from what I understand and from what the the newspapers have said bers has confirmed that this is the only family that's affected is that correct correct this is not affecting any other family this is not there I don't see why we have to be the reason to say no on this before I legit I legitimately had a concern as to what another family would feel if we were to uh change and do something and affect you know their children's schooling but right now the only thing they're waiting on and I I it is frustrating about didn't make the decision already um however I just don't see
007the reason why we wouldn't vote Yes to accept this annexation and leave it on valer steps um the the the big thing I understand that an IEP can be followed anywhere but with special needs children it's not just the program it's the people and the the routine routine is huge and and that routine involves the same people that they work with all the time so I really don't see a bad reason as to why we shouldn't accept this because there is no downside to it right now and then if valers was to accept it we'd be hungry we wouldn't have to worry about any type of you know plain favorites or any type of litigation or anything like that um they would literally be in the school district no other families would be affected I
008can somebody come up with a better reason as to why we we should say no yes I sorry Mr chair but the deadline was today actually the deadline is Friday end of the month so your earlier statement that bers because they did not meet that is a no that is an assumed to no vote bers is hoping to meet on Thursday they still have till Friday and they're going to be meeting on Thursday to make the only thing that I'm going to say is reading the Articles and the information that was sent to us by the Department of Public Instruction is this is an individual case what's going to stop us from another individual case another individual case another individual case every case is unique um we are sing a dangerous precedent by doing that
009we voted as a board to cap our enrollments um we we knew that our classes were high we knew our sections were high we knew our staffing was high and my understanding is that the family that petitioned knew they were moving into the valer school district um I get that people have choices and congratulations on those choices we CT it by State law we did the right thing and I think we make amends we start we start going one District or one time uh territory line one attendance line it opens it up to dangerous precedents so there for I will not support I will not be supporting this the GPI their their response was that the president being set was for giving exceptions right it was not for this that's right if we were to
010Annex this this is there in our school district there was no warning whatsoever about that it was all about creating an exception for a for a family like because they're in a school district well you know she's a you know an affiliate employee will create this exception for her that would be a different story putting her in in our district or this student in our district is not what DPI was warning us about yeah that's right yes sir well trying to get this clear at the last meeting we were told it wasn't just one post or something that's they want to Comm in which was worried worrisome I agree right so now it's just a single home that they would change the boundary for it's there's only this is the only student that would be
011affected yes only how many households how much the other part of this only one house one house one students how much property though are there other homes or other from what I understand you guys are 1,200 ft below the line 1200 ft from the from the line would Encompass our from the Southern Line would Encompass our Northern edge of our property line and looking at it the line could be drawn that would not affect any property I mean it's no I and we're not making the decision here we're leaving it up to them I right I just don't see why we need to be the bad guy yeah I and I understand completely everything you said I agree with him and I appreciate everything you said being a parent of a student with a disability
012well yeah and by what we're saying is if that line is drawn then we would get full State reimbursement I mean part of this problem is the state not holding up there end of the bargain with kids with special needs okay they just haven't done that federal government hasn't done it so districts end up doing it which is why we had to make this tough decision because if the student is in our boundaries we get reimbursed different from the state of Wisconsin okay I as I'm thinking through this if the information I'm hearing is correct Baler still has the opport opportunity to say no we don't want it to change they do we are saying if it's in our district we can handle the special education needs of the students within our building and we
013we will get reimbursed by the state of Wisconsin for that that's correct and which we already are I mean he's a student here I know right but now now that student has left so we don't get that reimbursement okay yet unless they're in our District yeah correct and that's what this yeah so if we do this it still is up to bers to make the final decision if they want to go through with this or not we voted to cap that if they're not in our district right yeah not in the district but if Elders would say they're not part of the M District then that cap does not app the cap would go up because we'd have an add it doesn't apply only for nonresidents right but if if valers said take yeah this
014house it's in your District now then he's just in our district then it then the money is there from the state correct to help educate the student correct yes we would get the same I I don't want you to not have complete information right we would be getting the same percentage of dispersement from the state for a special EDS needs as we currently get it was supposed to be 60% it generally runs between 20 and 40 so it it would be the same as we get all the time it it won't be the full cost but we no but the student is currently within our budget yes no the student is not within our budget the student was last year within our budget right based on the additional State funding if if the student no
015longer is with us we lose that funding because he's no longer in this District correct but the student is not in our budget this year of which we capped but so the state wouldn't put that money if he stays in our district bank and I promise if we have a question for you we we really will get right to clarify he still is in your district for this year for this year too yes oh okay thank you thank you yeah can can I add to your point yeah so we're he's an existing student of the mpsd right now so not getting into the weeds too far but so that money is already here from the state of Wisconsin if we would make this amendment change to the boundaries we would be saying he'd still be
016in the boundaries therefore it would be the same as it is now but bers would still have to approve that change okay so I just want to truthfully be clear about what that is and Mr Shaw is trying to say that if he's not in our boundaries and we take him on the enroll the the cap that we set would now not be would be now and void and then we would open oursel up to litigation if we went down that road and my the way I started this conversation and I said is there anything from the administration that has given us a different solution than this one that that we're talking about right now because maybe there's a different way to solve this problem instead of changing the boundaries because the the family thought
017that that was their only option to change the boundaries so but I wanted to know has the administration brought us anything to solve this issue and they have not brought us any besides uh denial of this boundary request that's I just wanted to clarify that so thank you yeah that's right my last point will be that they're existing they're existing students and we have met the needs happily now let's talk about the good things in this District this family has been saying hey we have a child that has needs and you guys have been knocking it out of the park yes we were renting for quite some time but now we have purchased a home unfortunately it's on the wrong side of the road or on the wrong C and we would please like to
018be in your District because of their existing stature with this community and this District I think it would be in our best interest to try to continue to serve the needs of that student on an individual basis and way said that what bothers me with that with the system that we have if it's a regular education student most districts would probably not have any problem taking anybody if it's a regular education student or the kid can dribble and shoot or and throw the football a lot of schools take kids for that reason yeah okay in my head I'm going there's an unfairness here yeah within the state of Wisconsin that you're treated differently if you're a regular education student or if you're a a student with special needs because the funding is different and that
019is wrong that as you said we've done a good job with the students and now because of the funding mechanisms in the state this student is not going to be treated equally to his peers and I agree with you 100% let me clarify my words if you didn't it's the existing relationship is what I'm more concerned about it's the exist seven years or six years that that student has been a part of this District that's what I'm I'm trying to make the biggest point that it's the existing relationship that we have thank you I agree I I've gone through that that's all I'm trying to say I mean anything you want yeah I guess I don't see get everybody in anything sacran about the line you know and I know the president thing is often
020made the argument but I I I think that um it's it's a it's a doable thing with very mod very little modification um and it's it's ethically or morally kind of the right thing to do um can you give me any reasons why changing the the boundary for one person could be a bad thing I mean I can't think of anything that would be a bad thing unless you open the door for another significant issue you open the door for another significant issue yeah we always have a vote on this there's there's always exactly so when we as a board cap enrollment because of our budget we tap enrollment for Teacher uh there's there's a formula so many kids per teachers so many aids for handicapping condition so much enrollment so much positions so much
021Staffing money for each individual student in special education the law allows you to stop and cap that right for your enrollment purposes we did that we did that yeah that's for open enrollment open en we sa satisfied the law as a board capping our enrollments for all special education students open enrollment yeah no it is open enrollment it's just open enrollment we're going to a lot of open enrollment put them in our district we're not the president to change that and then say well we're going to screw open enrollment law we'll just move our district one line over and open up a and screw anything well yeah I mean I I agree with car and the back to the moral standpoint I mean just seems no reason yeah I I mean I think we've taken
022care of our not accepting additional people in you know I would I would stand by that um I don't know I mean I'm compelled by it being the right thing to do um and and I think that um of course valers has a veto if they want it and I don't know what their argument would be but uh they'd have to listen to the argument presented by the family and if they're not not you know if they're not persuaded by that I guess you know they can they can veto whatever if we had approved it and I'm I'm inclined to vote in favor of call the question will you call the question after I get to make just a couple remarks absolutely thank you I appreciate your tolerances try to get everybody in before I
023say anything first I really want to say how much I appreciate that you want to do this and how my heart goes out to your family it it it it truly does and how um happy and impressed you are with the programming that we have here in the mpsd it it is great to know that some of the greatest challenges are being approached in a way that the whole family appreciates okay um but I also have to say that I know that the valer school district appreciated our delay to give them an opportunity to make a decision and then they they weren't able to do it so so that's a little difficult um personally I would not be inclined to approve a request without the home District already letting us know that they're okay with
024it simply because I think that relationship between districts I don't think you go personally and not news to anybody I'm super unhappy that we've got um about 112 open enrolled npsd kids at valers I don't dislike valers I dislike that we lost 112 kids to them um which I wish were were here you know but I if they came and wanted to move the lines so that they didn't have to open and roll I don't think I'd be crazy about that so so without without their okay I am not inclined to vote in favor I wish that they had taken their stand first but that's really all I have to say about so you wanted to call a question if you're going to call to vote then I'll refrain well I'm we we'll vot okay
025everybody ready y yes there any way because I haven't seen the new boundaries that that can be defined in the vot that it would only be for this specific I would look at the petition property I'm just saying that at the last meeting it was more than just one yes we were told there were five affected properties at the last and that's why I that's why I'm struggling a little bit because that's what I was told last time and now I'm hearing that differently um is there a way to may I suggest that you move to amend the motion provided it affects only the property of the petitioners that's what I was going to ask if you so I would like to amend it so it only affects that one piece of property I second
026proper you second that okay so now we have an amendment I don't think we need to discuss this amendment do we okay so all those in favor of the amendment signify by saying I opposed I you're opposed to the amendment okay all right so now we're back to the original motion as amended which is to Grant the petition provided provided it affects only the property of the petitioners okay I all those in favor signify by saying I I and oppos say no no so that 4 to two four yeah what was it I believe it was 4 to2 could I see the eyes could I see the eyes Okay 4 to two okay thank you thank you thanks for in there thanks for making two trips we appreciate it really do thank you carer I
027was worried about Theiss now once I heard that I was all right I just got to I I loed out I apologize for the D okay and now we move on to the new business which is the staff survey results yes over to Mike hi thanks good yeah we're going to um look at a summary of of the staff survey results from the 24 25 school year and um I have Dr Derek gley with us and uh can you bring him up Brady he's up he would be up here he's up there okay he not in quite yet okay I told him 6:20 and I wasn't far off you w you did good I did once in a while more than once in a while so while you're while you're finding him Brady um just
028let me give you a little background on on uh Dr then I'm going to sneak der was a high school English teacher for bought a decade went back to school earned his PhD from the University of Iowa ay yeah what can we do about no anyway with that being said uh he went into and studied implementing new teacher Effectiveness type policies as a professor of education for the past eight years he's researched and supervised doctoral dissertations on school climate teacher and student voice administrator board relations SCH Community Trust and school accountability issues and uh Derek was going to present for us tonight and should be ready to roll so he has to join correct Brady he has to join uh yeah he's not in yet he you know he may be getting ready for the
029U ofi Iowa game which I don't know if that starts at seven or 8 so School perceptions he and I clearly are not rooting for the same team or perhaps the University of Michigan did but I wasain I know you finally found that surveys yeah yeah survey says I got the email okay to find where that board it's two that's go back to you go back to you sorry about that we're losing the [Music] audience I can throw them up oh you can throw them up yeah I can do the first hand yeah it because why would they have change boundaries if people didn't want to change them on in Prett give the people a choice exactly I agree you're right boy that is it should be that's where that's should be so where is
030is he he's at the uh it's east of Union Road so Union Road is kind of like the it's east of there one road like literally you just have to look up the address of their house but I Mike do you just want to start us yeah if he comes but I just said we sent you a new Google meet invite you said I okay but it's okay maybe he doesn't know how to zoom we're doing a PhD it is that's what we for these CS likei I got cons went out and reach this it wasn't us change you got a lot extra money and they don't have to worry about kids did Rocky have did Rock have a shooting Tri did Ro have a shooting what I think Gary can juggle yeah right just
031going to walk through this through this thing then uh not not super prepared but anyway here we go see if they can let us know um okay we did this we did the uh survey back in December and I think last year we might have done one or two I can't remember correctly for sure or not let me know where you want me to go I have the clicker for that are on the sides all right there I'm on the go down one more away right here here and then we'll go along um as you can see we we closed the survey on December 17th and U we had 476 respondes 51 participation rate participation little bit down this year uh I don't really know why but it was just down a little bit so
032uh but still we had 476 people out of you know I don't know 750 800 total so was was a pretty good response uh the next slide shows go ahead glor the next slide shows basically uh the school and how many people participated where they spend most of their time I should say where they spend most of their time and and da da da then the next one's best what describes your position and I'm just going to move on the next the next one right right here uh really CAU my eye including including the year current year how many years have you worked for this district and 1 to two 22% 3 to 5 uh 23% so 45% of the people that took this survey 45% of them are under five years of service with
033this District so what what that tells me because that's probably about you know the 51% that's that's a good 100 people yeah you know 100 people out of the 200 that took the survey 250 took the survey I don't be more than that 200 220 210 so when you think about 200 people you know we I we could probably try to zero on how many teachers but that's still a pretty significant chunk of people that are relatively new to the profession of education and in my Staffing report that's going to come to the uh Personnel committee a week from tonight and then eventually to the board I believe I point out that that's why it's imp I'm just going to add this right now that's why it's imperative that we have you know instructional coaches
034instructional support uh support teachers in our district to take these folks that are so new to the a profession and build capacity you know best practice honing in their craft in those first five years and stuff like that so so I just to throw that in there um the next staff is about staff indexes um one of the things that as I went through I went through this with Darren anyway Darren is who I was expecting to be here with tonight but Darren's wife has had some medical issues so he had a Ballout Derek was coming in but anyways um he said when you see a change when you see a percent change of anything greater than 3% that's a big change that's what d That's What Darren would tell me so academics were effective
035in teaching and supporting our students 133% change so the positive that's a huge huge response change um and and you can look at these and you might have looked at them in in your board book over the weekend or who knows when but these these this you know the percentage increase here in engagement support student experience staff experience all all positive all all trending in the right direction good stuff um survey getting into the survey the work day and once again you know I'm just looking at the first four right here and you know I'm not going to read everyone to you that that's I don't think that's necessary but when you look at these percent agrees I mean obviously very nice very nice we look at the percentage of change and uh when you
036see when you see a 32% change I mean that's that's that's more than telling that's super telling so moving down just one Lori going back into the work day here a little pretty impressive 32% you know the discipline practices are effective uh 32% agreed small positive change um and as you're probably probably well aware from being on the board or being in the community or being part of the school district um discipline student behaviors continue to be a uh item of concern and an item to work on type of thing so you can see that that uh we had a couple changes here that went into the negative and you can um more or less building administrator associated with those next two and uh our staff does a good job of educating our students I
037mean we had 89% of the people took the survey said yes but you know it went down a little bit from the past survey kind of interesting but uh um that's a that's a huge number once again that last piece our hand our staff handles disciplined in a consistent manner uh 32% one of our lower stores but the top one was disciplined too so environment um I mean as Dar was say that these changes I mean he he just he just say these changes are off the charts I mean huge huge change oh jeez know just huge change um so I'm just going to move on okay I mean uh back to the environment um huge change with the philosophy that allies the school district's philosophy and um percent that agree High number of percent
038that agree and everything trending when you see a 7.59 a 5.56 a 5.15 man you start to be you start to think well that's a low score like I Darren said a 3% change to the positive is or whatever Direction positive is is a good thing you know um so very very strong very strong um and then the second part of the the environment here is is uh good good percentage of people agree uh you'll see that uh our culture and our building is positive and productive went down a little bit satisfied the communication comes from our Administration went down significantly there and those are building based concerns yes yes I mean so and and there's going to be a there's going to be a page two pages at the end one is going to
039be uh our strongest points and what is going to be kind of like what can we possibly address and start to work on but you can already see it unfolding that discipline's going surfaced and building Administration and communication some of those pieces have surfaced so moving into support very approval yeah moving into support um uh School Board is in our district is support of Staff members that made 58% change but that's just a huge number the district's pay practices are fair I was I was happy to see that I like that one best all trying and so uh I like this the staff input is is valued 10% increase uh I like that I mean I think it's important that we give our staff voice yeah we listen to them and they're boots under the
040ground so um we need to hear what they have to say support continued um it's nice to see that our that our staff leaves our parents and community support support them as school support the school district it's also nice to see that uh students in our school are given equal opportunities very great success and there school support students from diverse backgrounds all good stuff like I said a five .5 and a 4.1 is it feels low but it's really truly not U because we have such some such high scores coming across continuous support um uh you know this this this bottom one here I have access to the Technology support I need 89% of the 89% agreed with that yeah right however we went down to a 10 year but you know I mean um
041I have healthy working relationships with my coor 94% agreed with that that's a real positive thing and uh we're up with just a tad bit there for last year so but all good stuff support our school supports equal opportunities for all genders and you can see the percent degree is just huge and in the far right our change U looks good you know looks good and then five areas with the most growth um one moreor just one more there you go uh so the school board is doing what it takes to make our district successful 59% agree huge change to 61.5 school board and district is supportive of Staff members huge change the district is heading in the right direction once again super The District administration is doing what it takes to make our district
042successful excellent score and I'm satisfied with the communication that comes from District administration very good so once again these are our five areas of most growth that came out of this survey um very strong things I think they're things that we can feel very very good about in this district and our five areas that came out of the survey for for improvement um and this is interesting I have access to technology I support I need yeah huge number agreed but we're down a little bit from last year so you know I don't know if we need dive into that more or not I feel supported by my supervisor administrator Mak a decision high percentage people agree but we're down a little bit our staff does a good job of educating all students our old students
04389% agree and we're down like 3% so you know that number is a little bit um interesting student discipline consistent manner we're down 6% so we're we're again you you know here's one of the things that Darren would say and this this is not to uh not to condone or not to make make little of of this stuff about discipline but he said you know every school district that he works with works for discipline management of student behaviors is the number one everywhere he goes so I'm satisfied the communication that comes from my building minister so there's some things I think that um we as the executive team or we as directors need to uh Poss me talk a little bit with to our Bly administrators here because that's a that's a number too that
044is is a little bit concerning um uh you know this this went in the right direction too How likely are you to recommend the District of the place employment the reason why that's so important everything that I've read is that the reputation of the district is one of the most important things as far as attracting recruiting hiring people so if our staff is talking good about the district that's a that that's a real positive thing real positive thing SC is up almost 25% in that area so that's a huge that's that's a that's a huge gain so I think that also says that our people are feeling sa more satisfied more content happier um just feeling better about working for the mpsd that sort of thing so overall I think this the the results were
045very favorable this year very favorable thank you you go anybody have any questions for them I do Mike thank you um the the ones that are looking like they are building specific in the in the past student or School perception surveys the buildings where they can can Administration identify the buildings where these are particular needs of communication or or Comfort or safety can they be identified building specific so that administrator and our administrative team can work on those as goals and objective or is this all nonidentifiable you can you can come back and you can look at each school's results so to speak com so if a certain school had these as issues bam there's the goal and objective for like next year so I you know I I think we haven't talked about it
046as as as an exec team yet and so I think I think Le is might have to you know make some decisions as to um how he wants to go about all that because I also think that you know I mean when a staff takes a survey and they and they see the survey results then they see some value in doing the survey right but if they take a survey and don't see the survey results uh okay another year another year another year you know we may be talking about them so I think we has to and the exec team has to talk a little bit about what's the what are the next steps communicating to the administrators maybe the ab administrator sharing their individual results with their with their staff at at a meeting
047stuff like that so Mike um is this the first time we've used this this company to do this no it it's not so we' we've used them over a period of time to my knowledge yes I recall the most dramatic stuff about the the past past evaluations past surveys were the written comments were there any written comments on this oh okay and if the board wants the written comments I think we sent those to you last year yes like 800 of them or something I was wondering where those were as well too we can send those out to you if you would please i' like to see that sure do you recall what our participation rate was in the past year I 59% wasn't itz it was slightly over what we got now okay all
048right I'm sorry for some reason I remember the number I I'm pretty sure it was 59% yeah I I thought it was higher I just couldn't remember what it was it was higher and I and I know that that is the reality of survey I mean I've been I've been watching The District's survey for a decade and a half now and high participation rate and then nothing was done in response to the surveys and every year it dropped so I I absolutely Echo what you say if you don't see something change because of what you see on the surveys your participation will start to 51 is pretty good pretty good I'd sure like us to get a little higher so hopefully we can do stuff with this this year to show people they should do
049it next year when was this survey taken again December in December December okay no um you know and percept school perceptions will tell you you know if you're going to do a survey and you're going to do it in mayate April or May probably not the best time people are you know pushing to the end the Finish Line they're a little bit more tired actually December or after the holiday mid to late part of January is the best two months where you're going to get your best participation and stuff like that so thank you Michael is there a is there a way or in your experience is there a way to find schools that do discipline right and I mean it seems like everybody has this problem but is anybody doing it correct know what
050I don't know if anybody doesn't well I don't know if anybody doesn't have discipline issues with students in in the schools you know and and I you know last 13 years I've been at four districts and all four districts you know common problems common problems um so I I don't I don't know if I mean if there was one I mean we need a they millionaire can I come see you you know uh you know what I mean I I would just say we have schools that are doing very well with discipline and we have other schools that aren't and as I've said about everything in this district from teaching reading teaching math to discipline we have the numbers we just don't then go to that school and say what are you guys doing to
051see how much of it is transferable someplace else you know because if everybody's waiting for an 85 page book The sou discipline waiting because they're sucker is writing those books hoping you'll buy them every year yeah to we need Joe clerk oh yeah yeah and you know I've been around the block a few times and some of you have been around not quite as long as me maybe but you know I mean I go back all the way to you know things like assertive discipline and I mean just there's there's a lot of programs you know and each program when you implement it you make some gains but I there's no there I don't think there's any program that you know takes care of the whole nine yards I mean just I mean human beings
052and there's a lot of a lot of stuff to work through so but for the most part you know I think in the schools when I go into schools things feel things feel good you know I mean I I feel like when I walk by classrooms teaching is going on learning is going on um I mean I can't even think of a Time time where I walked into a building and went you know this is out of control I I just that it's all pry good it also seems like we start off the year really good I mean as far as holding the the building principles and and everybody accountable to doing things consistently um we've showed them support when it comes with the expulsions and things like that um that they didn't have in
053the past and they were utilizing that and then if you notice throughout the year it goes I mean it tapers off to nothing I know we got one coming out but it's literally it seems like we start off with good intentions to do things consistently and and hold everybody accountable in that building and then certain teachers you know okay well you can have your cell phones if you do this or what you know what I mean we're not doing things and then that would be left upon the building Administration that is not keeping an eye on those specific teachers doing things exactly like the rest of the teachers because it's still that way to where some classes you could do this some classes you can't and and that I know just from you know having
054a student in school it's it's time intensive yeah and you got to put the time in on the front yep the old teacher joke of Never Smile till November isn't as crazy well obviously you shouldn't never smile till November but the idea that understand that you're laying the foundations in September and October yeah and if you lay them well you can you can get pattern behavior that will really help you go I agre it's Thanksgiving yeah oh Thanksgiving yeah yeah you got to get that past November 1 okay you got to get all the way to Thanksgiving and everybody should smile at thanksgiv but you know if you try to apply sort of one formula for discipline I I can't imagine that's that's that's going to work because you know I I did a kind
055of an in-depth dive on on on on Madison you know went for the school report cards on Madison to see you know what the mix there was with students and the ratio to of teacher students Etc and um and Jackson uh which should be demographically about the same but it isn't um and I would think that you know depending on the mechs how many how many how many students come from economically disadvantaged B you know what's the what's the the ethnic racial Max um etc etc I I just think it's a real hard problem because it's different strokes for different schools right yeah yeah and you you have to it has to be flexible for schools to do what they need to do absolutely yeah but the other thing is is that I from past
056surveys discipline problems sort of begin to melt away at when they when they go out Lincoln and you know the the first year maybe is they they're sort of still you know need to be caged but uh you know after after that it said that he said that well you know Junior High come on you know everybody knows what junior high is put more distance now but all right all right sorry uh but it is a it is a mature in process isn't it when you get over could say whatever you want I guess car entertain no no no I have a birthday on October I'm not doing birthdays after this all right anything further on this all right then thank you Mike um nice to see some positives obviously concerning to see some negatives
057and you know keep working uh I would now be looking for oh I want to remind you all that we're just days away from March yeah and March of course is youth art month so I hope you'll all find some time once it opens and we get the details for you to go down and see the unbelievable Quant of artwork rammed into the roest art museum always fascinating just okay so I look for a motion to adjourn oh yes the future meeting dates you want to mention those sure sure so March 4th we have personnel and policy committee meeting at 3:30 March 4th we also have curriculum and instruction at 5 and on the 11th we have our regular [Music] board okay everybody good okay motion to adjourn second second thank you all those in
058favor oppos hearing none or thank you for