06/11/2024 Regular Board of Education Meeting

001[Music] h right's i p the text for approval from the consent agenda and then have us vote on it this as an individual package oh all right got to give Lori another minute I know you're eager to go than this is going to be a long sucker should be yeah see I explained before but I'm gonna really drag this meeting out so like say president longer not about this I don't know I mean I don't think I'm gonna Deja yeah I just need a stick I can't remember what I I I can't remember what I'm doing in front of thank yesterday I went out and forgot my keys and lo myself out oh you didn't y okay okay think um Chris able is not able to be at this meeting so I'll I'll be chairing

002the meeting and so I'd like to call it to order and start with Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it Nation indivisible andice okay um uh roll call Christopher Abel Biff Hansen here Matthew fips pres keete Shaw here Matthew sping here har TR Tony here thank you okay we have public put um uh the whole extent of the thing would you know would be up to 30 minutes if we had had that many people but we have only two people that want to speak so um the chair will um will put in uh allow for five minutes presentation for each so the first is Braden Meyer for Liberty Mana County we're a nationwide organization dedicated to F for the survival

003of America by defending parental rights at all levels of government uh what I came here to talk tonight is that recently there have been some changes proposed to our District's policy regarding public comment at board meetings first off let me read the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States States of America Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or briding the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peacefully to assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances over time the Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment to apply to all levels of government not solely Congress let's look at some of the proposed changes for our policy regarding public comment at board meetings uh two changes

004essentially go along with each other one change limits the duration of participant statements to 2 minutes a second proposed change limits the duration of public comments to 20 minutes that is a short amount of time to go those changes make the school board appear as if it does not favor and value public comment whether it be two three four or five minutes the presiding officer should determine at each meeting how much time is appropriate to a lot for each speaker in relation to the total amount of speakers present the typical time a lot of for public comment has been 30 minutes unless extended by the presiding officer which isue gives everyone enough time to speak when it is shorter members of the public can be cut off or prevented for getting their full message to

005the wars another change says a participant cannot speak on a topic more than once that right there is a clear violation of our right to free speech and to address our grievances to the government another change States participants shall address only topics within the legitimate jurisdiction of the board one asked in a previous board meeting what is considered within the legitimate jurisdiction of the board no school board member could answer which is an issue that can easily lead to the stifling of free speech anything that involves and affects our schools School District School Board as a whole individual board members and staff are appropriate to address to the board as long as comments are addressed to the board as a whole and should not be censored I've already seen the chair of a committee attempt

006to censor a Schoolboard member because he did not want him to address a current issue in our district in our board member ethics policy it states that board members will quote unquote encourage the free expression of opinion by all board members it's a sad day when you see your school board attending to censor its own members whether it be the school board city council County Board State Legislature Federal legislature or any other governing body Free Speech must be preserved our forefathers died fighting for Independence they wrote and approved our constitution to govern our nation and amended it with the Bill of Rights for the preservation of our freedom no Coalition should ever become powerful enough to govern us through the means of fascism correction as those calling for a publicly state I'm a strong constitutionalist

007I believe in the power of free speech and everyone here needs to do everything they can to preserve our constitutional rights thank you thank you yeah that was good um Bara post 825 stre man I'm still talking about inclusion and behavior true inclusion was never truly embraced when it was introduced in this District lack of strong leadership with a plan for all was nonconsistent with the same same thing with the behavior plan there was always new Administration new principles new superintendence it was like we were going through a wash list and so each campus to me appeared to do their own plan they adapted to whatever they thought was going they didn't follow all the protocols this was happening but all the people were not aware of this happening unless you ended up at one

008of those campuses this became more apparent when the major transition of schools when sixth grade ninth grade moved and the children's Riverview was closed the Kindergarten Center and then they realized that there was no cohesion they didn't have people covering all those inclusive people and I'm not just talking about special needs people I'm talking about your general population and then it became spotlighted because no one knew what was no one was on the same page and there was a no major shift to catch up people try to get them back to where they needed to be and people should have been aware of this was happening but they instead of looking for a major fix instead they said that they will catch up it needed to be addressed before that transition came in a district

009needs a cohesive inclusion and behavior plan to be stayed compliant everybody should be on the same page I I mentioned that for I don't know how many months already all stud students should be served according to where they're at and it says right up there engage and to AG educate and J engage and inspire all Learners to a thrive in a global community at that time I was just trying to get everybody on the page where they would get their Basics so they could go keep going and teachers we then common cor came in and you were supposed to be able to go to any school and you should have all been on the same page that was not the case in Manor and you needed to have those teachers do modifications in order for

010those all the Learners to achieve their goals you had to know your protocols you have to be present you have to be a great role model and you have to communicate and collaborate and have training for everyone so you're all working toward a common goal because if you're at kindergarten you're supposed to be progressing on to so when you get to Middle well now it's Middle School that you can just go because you're supposed to learn in first grade A Basics third grade is like your hit sixth grade you should know all your Basics and be able to take into junior or middle school what you learned back there and you can get electives and do what you want to do then you have choices so you have to have role models and communicate and

011collaborate training together toward a common goal so that all are successful help them build their toolboxes so that they can have a firm foundation when they go into the world and don't now you're looking at structures do not let structure problems override these students needs it's what happens inside those walls that have the lasting impact on that students future all students need a safe fun consistent and positive learning environment a place where they want to be a place where they want to go every day and they know that you're going to be there for them but you have to be have opportunities to learn and explore and it has to be ever evolving if you don't catch them and keep their attention there's a lot more now cuz you're so vulnerable there's so much more

012out there in the world and they're already connected to the global Community you have to Champion their strengths and not their flaws work with them know that they are a student and they need help lastly I'd like to say I was a Washington Student I'm very proud of being a Washington Student Mr Gibson gave me eloquent speaking he said there's body language there's eye language language and there's also the written language and you should carry that with you and also there was Mr burst there with social studies there was a lot of people at Washington and now I hear Washington is really not good when I was there Washington were the tears we were the gold and blue and when I went to Lincoln a lot of the kids that were with me at Washington

013never made it to Lincoln a lot of them dropped out some took the really dire Road and I when I go to Silver Creek Park I think of Billy that took his life Behind The Watershed there I think when I look over this where you're right here that Trestle other people that jump off that Trestle you thank you very much you really need to engage these students good thank you much um consent agenda is is totally packed here uh are there any issues are there any items on the consent agenda that anybody wants pull for discussion yeah I'd like to pull a few items of the general meeting minutes from 5:14 from what from 514 May 14 oh okay then okay yep and the curriculum and instruction minutes from [Music] okay the financials and just

014the monthly financial report corre okay and po 1673 public comment okay okay did we get the finance and Facilities committee Mee that's second is that part oh you would okay that's B okay May 20th oh there isun no I I want to make sure you're getting what you want I June 6 I see the regular board meeting from 5:14 okay May 20th or I like May 20th May 20th okay okay Tony you wna you wna raise uh raise your uh concern with May 14th 2024 regular board meeting minutes yeah thank you krie uh really I just wanted to clarify some of the minutes were kind of vague and I thought it would be I'd like to get them updated for the record uh I'd like to add identity politics based in front of language uh

015and that's uh specifically it's like near the bottom of page one on the last paragraph where it says board member of last Delica questioned some of the identity politics based language mandated by the DPI in the report I just felt the it was kind of an incomplete picture with uh the summary there so I just want to have that okay how how do you want it listed Tony it's and and I apologize it's it's not dictation it's just an overview so I apologize if I left something else so how do you want it stated that's fine I I just wanted to clarify it um board member of last Delica question some of the identity politics space language mandated by the DPI in the report okay um Matt bips you want to you want to address

016your concern on the May 20th 1920 or 2024 I just kind of wanted to highlight a few things that it was a pretty jam-packed meeting which was great just wanted to talk about the transportation contract that uh it had gone up three and a half% and we voted uh to approve that um that was one thing uh the printing services we had made some adjustments and we ended up coming to a resolution about uh printing services to save some money however staying with the existing structure that we had um are you changing anything in the minute just just discussing okay okay uh Tony again uh curriculum and instructional committee minutes yeah June 3 thank you Gary um again I just wanted to amend some of the minutes and expound upon them for clarity for the

017the public that may have missed the meeting uh specifically down at the bottom of page one where it says Tony V asked about how we screen books for Content I would like that to read uh Tony V expressed concern with keeping explicit sexual content out of our school libraries and want of this address and the plan okay that's good it sorry sexual contact yeah that's yeah that's certainly accurate out of our school library I want this address all right Tony uh monthly financial report thanks G um Angela do you want to talk a little bit about I noticed it looked like for fun 50 we were tracking uh the loss of $177,000 for the year I read that right yes and the original projected budget was uh a loss of around $120 or so thousand

018with uh the supply chain assistance funds uh we're going a little higher um so far uh you know just and some of that is we've had a change in service model this year and so some of the estimates we were you know just a little off on those and so there's a little more expense compared to revenues and anticipated uh next year there will be you know maybe some additional participation and but we'll be able to plan a little bit more for that based on uh the activity this year especially with the change at the elementary school and uh the other thing is is that we're on we don't know at this time if we'll get supply supply chain assistance funds uh would be nice if we'd get them again we got a second round

019of about a $4,000 additional later in the year uh and that'll just help help us uh you know just track pooser to um or just have less of a lot so so what are the long-term implications of that so uh as I mentioned at the last meeting that participation is going to be the largest driver uh our ISP went up and that has to be verified by by DPI all of our C application materials are submitted to DPI so they review that at this time and they'll look at uh they'll essentially look at review the data that we submitted and decide uh certify our ISP because it's rising we'll get a higher free rate uh reimbursement and we should have less of a loss overall and so that'll be make make C more sustainable long

020term is there a way to make it to where it pays for itself or is that not that's right I was under the impression that was Prime to the program we should be and that's the whole but we're going to have to look at increasing participation and uh we're Administration was charged to look at that and you know just at the school year ending we haven't uh been able will set up the meeting Z but that's what I plan to do by the end of June work with uh the leadership or the learning leadership team and myself and and sort out some plans so I I feel confident that we're going to be able to find ways to increase participation and along with that uh get students more involved uh parents and Community because our

021Wellness committee as well which is kind of a a different initiative but that is linked to those efforts to to help improve Food Service offerings and encourage nutrition you okay yeah okay um Carrie yes um thank you Tony for opening this up because I do have a question I received today um with the cisa 10 contract uh payment for this month for $33,000 around $33,000 is that part maybe this can go to gym as well is that part of that quarterly installment that we have to pay C 10 um or is that outside of those quarterly installments that we pay C 10 there's a payment due on on April 30th and the June 30th and September 30th and then 123th so is this $33,000 uh Bill up this month is that part of that quarterly

022statement or is that outside of that quarterly statement have the answer that uh in the contract it says uh I just was able to pull this up here the parties agreed to monthly billing for time and materials as well as set progress billing set forth and so the progress billing I believe is uh more related to the projects themselves and they're you know I'm not sure if I have that correct I was going to call Stephanie and reach out but the we will receive the hourly charges monthly and and we're working now just getting finer details with some of that stuff which they've been very helpful with um but then I'm thinking like so that's going to be a fluid bill it's not 33 every month it's going to be correct every month there will

023be a different Bill not part of this quarterly so so where I couldn't find where are these quarterly payments I didn't see one for April and I didn't see the June so what is our quarterly payment I what is you help have to help me understand that that will be more surrounded with like the lighting bit is the only project that we've really dove into at this time and so one will bring that lighting bid to be approved later in this meeting then we would take action on that or move that forward and then some of those the payments for those projects would come at those quarterly points as I understand it so that's not part of the 1.2 million that was signed the lighting bid and these hours are a part of the 1.2

024for the the hours themselves I should okay I got to crack myself on that 1.5 million was the total amount that was talked about that we felt comfortable you know putting in the proposed budgets uh so the 30,000 would be within that $300,000 limit that we talked about staying within within the whole 1.5 million and then that $100,000 for the that I didn't follow any of that okay okay so the there's $1.5 million that we talked about working into the next budget and of the $1.5 million 300 ,000 was sort of earmark to be our limit on professional expenses through CA 10 for the project planning uh bid bid cost just time and time and effort and and services provided uh if Jim calls if Mike calls a questions if I call you know that's

025all build on time then but that's that that's the bill we get on a monthly basis corre if Nate comes to our meeting we're going to get built for that corre if Nate gets a phone call we're going to get built for that that's that month bill that we're going to get that I saw today yes okay so that's not part of the quarterly payments yeah go ahead please yeah that part and was explaining it right it's just I think you need a little more info let's let's pretend real world what's happening right now the only project we've been given the go-ahead on that has any substance to it with a cost that we would even assess the speed to is the lighting project and let's round that to $100,000 so for the life of

026the contract we we're set up in quarterly but you're going to be build 2 and half% of $100,000 so $2,500 will be charged as our fee on that 100 and apparently we're breaking it up every quarter yeah I think we can fill that one at once that's all can I clarify so not you know total 2500 total not 2 total and two years ago a year and a half ago Nexus was proposing like 5% of the part of the pie on every big project so we're getting a heck of a value at two and a half% I I understand you don't know that's why I'm explaining it but is so that's why and then they're only billing us for clerical stuff bidding process Aid whenever we call on them for needing support so I get

027that I I just I I'm I was confused as to um the monthly bill and I get that now in the quarterly statement where that quarterly Bill comes from because I didn't see anything in April because there won't be anything because he said 100 grands in total for that project what's were going on because they helped in the bidding process now the project will get approved if it does and then they'll get two and a half% of the 100 Grand as their fee yeah for see so P $25,000 quarterly okay yes 25 so you made a mistake and don't take any offense to the work that you guys have done Okay Nexus was was that another company that bid to do this yeah cont well it was kind of shed at us by the previous

028administration so who how many how many companies how many interview we interviewed three companies there were three companies to handle this this there were three that bid on this project to do all the schools in the district yep okay to give us Services it's kind more of a broader statement there were two you said we worked mainly in the compared Nexus and CA 10 for the the audit but originally we' we' interviewed three we we were first of all just a clarification we were just going down first of all we didn't you don't have the bid services but we were you know seeking board approval for it and we were just using Nexus for all our work uh and then we suggested that we needed to make sure that um we were getting the best

029in in my sense was that we weren't you know that we were going to be paying a lot more than we needed to be one of the challenges was that we wanted the separate work that we could do in inside meaning currently Mike Schwarz handle uh and Nexxus wasn't willing to negotiate that contract to provide us that flexibility cisa 10 has and we've clearly separated out outside of you know Mike can only still do so much work himself so some of that will depend on the workload yeah that that's I'm not worried about that was my question I just wanted to know these but that was Biff's question yeah so Biff has the Biff so what you're saying Jim is we don't have to bid out contracted Services Services yeah so under board policy we

030don't have to get bids for services that somebody will provide that's not one of our emploees that's correct what I would typically do is make sure that's in budget so that you're aware of it through so we can just hire anybody yeah it was a board no no you have to get up three bids over 5,000 over 3,000 of course you do it's in the I I think what he's saying Keith is that that does not apply to Services it's only like materials or equipment project yeah so it's like a different category we have to like C 6 right or like other services well that's another question I have was this is we can just hire anybody or do we have to get bids from people who provide the service if they're not our employee

031servic is you typically government you know bodies would typically not require you to purchase Services you you know you have everything from Architects Engineers um um attorneys um we are not getting those out you know there are specific reasons why we might prefer something sometimes when you establish yourself uh you stay with an organization you know for a long period of time uh I mean we have one organization right now that we rely on totally to help us design our our technology you know and over the last 10 years we spent a million dollars you know that includes items that they're purchasing for us uh Angela could clarify some of that so uh services are typically not in there I would always promote is that you're aware of that through budgetary yes oh just like

032the audit we just got done by Haw and Ash we stayed with them for 20 some years and then never went out to bid for that serviceing TR want to check this out because government agencies do it differently that you have to have a bid if you're Contracting anything from three to $5,000 you have to get that so I'm surprised that as somebody who contracts expensive items for the taxpayer we don't have to get bids that surprises me if I can speak again I would that's why the board approved going into any of that was all discussion all transparent everybody talked about it we talked about it in open and we we actually interviewed them listened to different opinions and then we talked about it openly about the advantages and disadvantages and how we wanted

033to maneuver the district and have the freedom because like I just said I'll give you one example quickly about the air handling unit at Lincoln Nexus had their fingers in it and even if we wanted to do it ourselves they were getting two 4% of the job no matter what so that took the freedom the sovereignty away from completely and and and that's why I'm so uh in favor of this relationship because they understand the advantages and the disadvantages of this relationship but we're being able to use them in the strength of the district being in control and not just letting them try to add up the bill and then get a percentage so that's why in the state of Wisconsin just add a little bit more anticipating the need for services to supplement the

034work of a school district you know establish thesis in the first place as an organization that is it's almost an extension obviously it's it's regenerated uh some states in Michigan we fund the the cesas a lot more and they get direct funding you know as even a greater incentive uh but they're kind of an instrument of the uh State uh to assist local school districts second speak okay one one more and I want to be clear about how the architectural agreement is going to go if we do go that obviously they're going to want to get on the the board about getting a percentage right off the bat too so that's why it's prudent that the board picks the correct architect firm that gets the Serv that we need done but not just trying to

035go for a big fish to get paid that's my opinion yeah I thought we got the best best deal my question was answer a long time ago so thank you yes okay is there further discussion about the monthly financial report okay um Tony on policy 0673 public comment at the board meeting I want to I want to address that too and that um uh when I look when I look at it today I mean I don't I I think I want to pull it entirely from the consent agenda just that that that you know just this policy the other policies that we may want to look at it but I want to I want to say perhaps in response to to to Bren that boy this is a this is a First Amendment School Board

036uh I don't think anybody got censored at any meeting I mean I I at the curriculum meeting and I don't think uh I don't think we've been particularly restrictive or stingy or whatever with public input because the policy says to permit fair and orderly public expression the board May the ver the verb is May provide um this is something we do provide and it's not the only way that a citizen can communicate with this government body so um but I do have some question about e in the e in this in this revised policy proposal it says two two minutes I guess I would I'm G to be honest I thought we went through this we changed aminating or I'm glad I was it was amended to five and you also amended to 30 why

037we got this copy I don't know yeah okay that's why okay good why we needed to do it uh and 30 okay uh let's have that as a let's have let's that have as a do we need to do it as an amendment to make it sure or so if I if I may you already acted officially in official capacity to amend it to the right to well to what you voted on which was 5 and 30 so technically if you pass the policy you've already amended it to what it needs to be you can just make a motion to correct corre approve with the cleric clerical correction yes okay and then we'll put it back put it back in the consent agenda the other thing on the consent agenda is that I'd like to

038pull for no controversial reasons whatsoever item and in the the LS Lincoln High School textbook adoption and vote on on that as a package separately okay just to just to affirm that the AP Government apsy Advanced US History world world historyus history Civics the the textbooks pertaining to those courses uh to to give that a you know give that its own vote okay are there anything is there anything more on the consent agenda hearing none uh all those in favor of of the the consent agenda signified by I I all opposed okay I just have a question yep so we pulled are you is the motion going to be made to as as amended like in the past we approved the items that were not pulled from the agenda the board made a first and

039second motion and voted on that on those items and then we did we did a first and a second motion and vote on each of the items that were pulled from the agenda oh do you want to do that it's up to you I think we wanted to just put them back in since the discussion has been you know that with the amend amendments that he made yeah but we said that that's that's a clerical correction yeah with the amendment but I think that since there's no there's no abiding or major isue or a there's nobody uh wanting to make an amendment to any of the things that were pulled okay we include those in the consent agenda okay and that just passed so I I'm not sure there was a motion I need a

040first and a second oh oh okay I guess that's right yeah um I thought we had I thought we had that is it I thought we had that yes I'll move to okay okay second I'll second with the amendment the CL okay okay any discussion further discussion hearing none all in favor say I I any oppose okay so um I'd like to make a motion that an uh the Lincoln High School textbook adoption I'd like to make a motion that the the the uh the Board of Education uh approve approve of those those books is there a second I'll second is there any discussion hearing none all those in favor of the motion sign signify by saying I okay anyos we don't have a we don't have the student representative here no was UN able

041to attend so there's no report so there's no report okay will we get that report next July July hopefully in July the senior Representatives have not been elected yet so as long as there's a um the one that's in there now stays in correct till replaced by another El okay uh report of the superintendent uh District priority goals just a comment in terms of uh we did get the information in terms of uh our reading scores uh and and we also had some assessments on math scores uh and so we had the reading scores came to us on Friday you know we had Gra uation everything um I wanted to clarify something you know with our directors uh but I just sent that out we typically you know reformat some stuff and so you have

042that under separate cover you know just forwarded that I haven't really had a chance to digest it I think we had gains in in some uh uh some retraction you know in terms of last but overall I believe we met our Target goal in exceeded in some cases but but again the directors will come back with a report on that through the committee uh to the board oh okay and then on the facilities facilities are you know involved right now in terms of its next stage the uh assessments been done and so that's been picked up by committee and so that will be further discussed here and there's nothing on the culture one at this time okay yeah all right um in terms of District activity report you know there's nothing new to report other

043than what a wonderful graduation um you know understand two I was the first graduate uh really good and uh today I would just report out the directors um had the principles in for last end of year meeting and it was really great listening to uh how they started the year where they finished the year in my sense was they feel so much more prepared for going into next year it was just a very positive meeting um so that happened this morning that's good okay any questions yes wanted to give a shout out to all the staff and students involved uh with their hard work this year we know it was a big lift for everyone and uh your hard work paid off so great job we're all proud of you and the community's proud of

044you keep it up yeah good okay ni second that um all right uh director's report Lee send us a report um are there any questions do you have anything more to add Lee or H uh yes so everyone uh so what we do is we'll send out this this uh document and then all of the directors populate with their specific areas so um each area is represented and um we'd be happy to take any questions that you may have about any of the items the other thing I would add to that too as Lisa things intended to be on here um you know that's just you know we're just pulling her in and I she submitted stuff but not in time where I wanted to put it on there just so I sent that to

045you under separate cover okay but she will be a part of this I love that she she will be part of this regular report and there's so much going on in this particular area any question um and this might go to Mike I'm I'm guessing but uh it looked like if I was reading it right we had about 29 unfilled positions currently is that s about right yeah I guess you got some Math teachers I'm just curious if we know how that compared to last year this point oh gosh 20 that's that's a really good question and I I'd have to try to do some research to even figure it out um I don't know I don't know I think we're ah had last year my my my Jennifer HR office said to me today

046she said you know we're awful busy we're we're we're busy busy busy for last year it was crazy buy busy so um it it does feel better uh let me just talk about administrators for a minute you know as Jim said we had a meeting this morning very positive meeting as I looked around that room there was such a good feeling because last year this time administrators were moving uh from building to building sometimes as we bringing new people in people were leaving us we looked around that room this morning with the administrative team and everybody's there and I think everybody's going to be there so that's a real plus question Tony I I I'd have to do some research uh to look at it um I I just don't know how yeah I was

047just curious uh any concerns with getting those positions filled before oh yeah oh definitely definitely concerned definitely uh have some anxiety over and um what what uh what I want to bring up given I have this opportunity um about 3 weeks ago four weeks ago well first of all different companies are emailing me trying to call me trying to connect with me relative to their products their company da da da so about three or four weeks ago I I'll tell you right now I I had a tough week I I tried to seal a deal went home for five with five situations and all of a sudden uh this Elevate K12 uh was calling me I'm like talk to me you know it was one of those talk to me types and um we had

048a good conversation uh the week later the directors and myself were in a virtual meeting with with uh Elevate K12 um two weeks after that we we we brought them on site we had a good hour 15 20 minute conversation back and forth about the about the company about what it would do and ultimately if I were to summarize it let's just take a math position for example let's say we could not fill a a math position uh and we and we contracted with Elevate K Elevate K12 um it it's not online it does the kids don't read and follow directions and instructions um it's not just a a virtual situation where you look up at the screen and you follow it's a a virtual situation where they can see all the students in the

049classroom like they were virtually teach us math right now they'd be able to see all of you they'd be able to Know You by name etc etc we would have a classroom coach in there it may be a a longterm sub it may be a current teacher it may be a parah relative to uh monitoring and managing classroom any Behavior type of things uh uh X Y and Z so then maybe getting a little lengthy here but bear with me because I think this is really important to take this opportunity right now um Milwaukee they elevate K12 with in 150 schools contacted barou talk to their High School principal they contracted with Elevate K12 for four chemistry classes last year she said it went very very well I contacted um the high school principal at

050partyville they contracted with them for uh four Al Algebra 2 classes and a geometry class and it very went very well um so where are we at well if we cannot find a human being to be in front of the students we'll probably be coming back to you relative to going maybe with this company I have it on the agenda for July 1 with the Personnel committee and they're coming in um Phil and Aly are their names they're coming in live with with the Personnel committee um so it's it's a situation of if it's a last resort if that's where we got to go that's where we got to go to provide some instruction am I anxious Tony absolutely absolutely uh nervous about filling all these positions if I wasn't I don't think I'd be

051human oh yeah what what I say is good news is we have all our administrative positions filled right our principles right which is really good even though you did Magic by point out some good experienc retirees yes uh to assist us this last year but having uh the leadership at all those schools is critically important and I think we've got some really great people I'm just curiosity because I know you guys said you had said you met with administrators today how how did that go because this whole year was a important year kicking off uh SFA and and all that other stuff did anybody Express anything like how I mean the principles you heard from me and Mike I would turn it over to Lee and Heidi you you you know what's your take U

052you know they they'll be reporting directly to those two individuals there so just curious to know what they thought uh well we did capture um you know notes of their cele ations and so uh we also had them share U we had basically every principal share what we called a uh you maybe not an elevator speech because those are like 30 seconds so we did a wait in line at Cedar Chris speech which three or four minutes right so each principal everyone knows how long that takes uh unless it's really busy then uh each principal shared some highlights the year where we had them frame them uh and include um some student achievement or student engagement data um as well as um uh what their Hope from learning from this year to what next year

053will bring um and each of them were able to sort of you know all share with each other some of those things and along the way some challenges and how we overcame those challenges but I would agree with um uh what Jim said earlier is I I really feel a sense that they they feel so much more confident and secure in in their work in their schools but also with you know the the hard work that was done this year to implement new curriculum um they're all very excited about U bringing you know we need to bring a math goal back into play here and uh we're going to provide some professional development with Bridges uh that is going to be pretty critical in helping our elementary teachers uh get a better handle on some

054of the tier one instructional practices that may have fallen off the map a little bit with with the shift of focus uh we we we definitely want to see that um back in but I mean it was a very positive and constructive meeting that focused on student learning and um moving forward and continuing the trend that we've began I'll just add a quick highlight one of the things that really stood out to me was a lot like Lee said a lot of celebrations about growth that students have made um but we also talked about behavior um over the course of the year and just that data point that 91% of our students don't have Behavior concerns don't I didn't hear that do not have Behavior they don't show up in the data for Behavior so

05591% of our students are thriving and don't have any Behavior referrals and so we actually when we talk about the behavior in Mana toac that there are definitely a few challenging students just like there's a few challenging people in any room that you're ever in but that really we're we're excited about that idea that really it's 91% of our kids that are really driving and do well so that's celebration that we we don't always hear that data point so that's just one I wanted to share well it's been a this been a a major complaint for ever since I've been on the board and we starting to like make some real Headway on there and I know there's a there's a a behavioral plan in the in the works here and that that may just

056mop up mop up with left with positives with positive change in academics that'll slowly go down and and that's fantastic most of the teachers that contact me or I contact them are are pretty pretty okay I mean and we had uh we had a lot of retentions this year too good good signs is there any is there anything more Lee that you want to say uh anybody anybody got questions or concerns or okay thanks for the report that was a that was a good report um we're down to unfinished business now are we yep yep down to unfinished business c a 6 contract Mike are you going to talk about that or who's going to talk that Angela this was included uh there was no there was nothing on board pertaining to I I I

057just thought was there and I asked at Leisa think to provide some information not knowing who added it to the theend I edited I edited but as my addition was just strictly information for the board um and the reason that I added this is because of our conversation um a couple weeks ago at the finance meeting and and I couldn't agree more with Tony and Matt when they said that I think we need to be jurist Prudence to our taxpayers and make sure that the the taxpayers are aware of of what's going on we we talked about the difference between a $4,000 bid um on providing our printing services and and so in reflecting on that I did some investigation and this is by no means contrary to anybody else's belief that I'm not out

058to get cus 6 I think C 6 has done a wonderful job um I'm not out to to implicate that they haven't and I'm not out to to state to anybody that that um they're not doing the job that we wanted but there is some interesting information that that I think that we need to be aware of and and the cost of C of six Services um to our taxpayers and to the board and I'm not sure that the board is aware of these so this is what I brought it up for um in the past two years the contract use of C6 Services have gone up remarkably in the year 2022 um the C6 contract per hour was $100 an hour for the services that manro Public School District used them for so was

059$100 per hour that cesa 6 Personnel we're getting for our contracted Services after that the 23 24 school year because the usage went up the contract dollar amount was for 85 uh dollars an hour because we increased our services and again uh the new contract that was signed um by the manro public school district for the 2425 school year initially started out at 975 that was in February of 23 and then in April 18th just before the new board took over that that bid or that contract was increased to $108,000 um I saw no minutes I saw no board discussion and now we're looking at $65 an hour for services and I'm just wondering take a look look at that amount of money and and those Services uh that's a pretty good average hourly service

060that could we use in manswell public school district could somebody in this District apply or could have applied for these positions um and I don't know I didn't read anything in investigation that was ever even discussed by the board that we have a $100 an hour pay that it goes to $85 an hour pay and our new contract on April 18th that was signed for CA 6 is $65 an hour and um the services have just been escalated and the amount of time that we're using C6 has skyrocketed so it's just information I'm not after cesa 6 but I do think that if we're doing judis Prudence to the to our district and we're looking at at U these kind of salaries that maybe somebody in this District could really use a job to that

061caliber of Finance uh rather than Contracting those Services out we have people in this District I know that can do marketing and I know they can do advertising and I know they can do printing um we have tremendous talent in here and I'm not sure that we as a board did the right thing by automatically Contracting it out without any discussion by the board for those kind of salaries so that's why I brought it up the end yes pleas well so this doesn't go through HR correct no so then who decides the amount of money that they get paid I did and we also made sure it was in the budget and it was a higher amount at one time did we not Angel didn't you have like 120 from 120 to 108 but it

062was signed originally in February for 975 and then it was signed out of your office for 108 so again it's a contracted person it's a service yeah it's a service it's a contracted service yeah but but we don't get anything that's this person can do it for this this person will do it for this we're not getting that competitive type of service is what I'm saying and and it goes back to the other is that if we're spending taxpayer money we should be able to go and say hey this person is doing it for this and $18,000 we could probably have somebody on staff that does that I think we're getting a lot more than just a person that's being on staff and CA 6 does quite a bit for us um their services depending

063and I think that we did see like you even said went from $100 an hour down and then kind of back up or I I didn't follow exactly what you're saying but I mean I guess it all depends upon how much we use them you know what I mean so I mean this is something that we've traditionally been six been a part of if I might um where we're going with that yes you may I kind of wanted to you can go first I'll no no no I didn't I kind of wanted to compare the services as we needed them depending on if we needed like say we needed a sewage pump though we'd have a service and we keep hiring but if there's not competition and we keep on having there's nobody else to

064do it we kind of have to hire whoever will do it for us so then my point was about Mike having that we had so many positions that aren't filled to have a service to be able to do these things to take the load off of Mike to try to hire another person now we can all say in hindsight well could we have left it open you know that's a good question and I like that however it you know moving forward our our services as we need them did they get done how we needed to get them done did we get the referendum Communications out did we get all that stuff out so hindsight we can always say that we should have looked at it and but he could have had a position open for

065six months and never filled it so we had demands and they needed to be filled with it getting done and and it got done because obviously you can see these things that we got done so that's kind of a hypothetical and I like the questioning of it I think it's a great conversation piece and it my other question was who produced this document who who uh who made this no no I on the agenda who who filled the who made this I did I did yeah my agenda item and you made the document and submitted it no no the attachments I asked Lisa sink knowing you know that there was you know question I think Lisa s was told that I'm out to get her job and that's not necessarily true oh I I I

066don't Lisa think I think was was probably told that because I'm bringing up this concern that I'm about to get her that is the furthest thing from the truth I don't know who would have conveyed that I anything I kind of gathered that but that's irrelevant I just think but but to get to your point I'm I'm saying that that for this kind of salary for these kind of Duties and I looked at the six C6 contract I have a copy of it um memos to the staff memos to The Faculty meals in in case of a crisis um directives why why are we paying that when we have a superintendent to write these communications why is that part of a cesa 6 contract I'm saying there's people in this community and we didn't explore

067the option as Tony mentioned being prudent to the taxpayers we didn't explore in this community anybody that may have been able to offer these Services rather than farming it out and I know cesa7 does I worked with cesa7 for years um ces7 has these people could they have done it at a different cost we don't know that ladies and gentlemen and that's all I'm saying is the interest we have got to explore again we're going to talk about $4,000 on a printing contract we're talking now $65 an hour to maybe somebody in this community who could provide these services for us that's all I'm saying you have I think it has to be looked at yeah you have somebody in mind me you have somebody in mind oh just kind of wondering I'm like it

068seems like we're getting a huge package it's just it's just that's kind of get I just want to make sure but sorry we should be I understand what you're saying Matt but we should be exploring by putting out there we need this service are there people locally that can do that are there people that would do the service and charge less we're not getting those answers we didn't get those answers with this the cisa 10 okay are there local people that could go in and evaluate buildings that's what I'm saying is to be prudent with taxpayer money we should be looking more than just saying hey it's yours Keith and I really don't think that these contracts for this kind of dollar amount should just be arbitrarily without being brought to the board and discussed

069as we're discussing now open what are we getting for who have we talked to I don't think that it can be just arbitrarily signed for and given another seesaw when we belong to a seesaw and and not given our taxpayers the right to to apply for these jobs just arbitrarily signing a contract from 975 in February to 108 in April and not even come to the board that's all I'm saying so if I can speak I think it's go ahead through Services I think it would be in the purview of the superintendent or the director to to have to management calls for services I understand bids and materials but essentially at that point the board would be micromanaging all actions of the superintendent's office if it was over you know what you're saying so because

070because it's a fluid thing you know it's not like you're going to go out to bid for unless you're going to say you're going to go out to bid for services of the Year all XY but you don't know what the services are going to be as they come up so I understand what you're saying I think it's a good idea however I think the fuity of it the T the timing of it is unrealistic for a captain of a ship or or the superintendent of a district to to be able to maneuver that way and if the the board doesn't have trust in the superintendent I could see making a directive to try to ask for more information depending on where they're going or what they like if like if if you want to

071make a directive to the superintendent's office to say I'd like to see uh the marketing department and where we're going and how we can go out to bid for service in the future I think that would be a great idea if that's what you're if that's what you're looking for but to to micromanage it from the beginning before then superintendent is not going to know what to do ever because they're going to ask for the board to approve all aspects of their job it kind of is already stated that way in the contract for for purchasing of services which this is that anything over $3,000 you made the amendment to go to Five which we haven't talked about or passed yet but anything over $5,000 three bids have to go go out so it is

072there Matt that these need to go out to bids and that's for $5,000 this is a this is a contract for $108,000 to signed there's no compensation so basically there is a policy that has not been implemented and instructed and follow I think that we we have so much going on we have so much going on and adding adding and adding and adding all the stuff to send it back we we have to this is something we've been doing for a while with C6 I mean I I get maybe in the future if that's something that you want to make change but for right now we just have a lot on our plate and now you want to add even more I'm not looking to micromanage I'm not looking at micromanager either let follow the

073policy but I'm not the contractor you can't do anything with C6 contract Matt because the contracts for 180 days we're are in this contract but you can bet when this contract is up that will be a recommendation that if we're going to bid it's going to go out and and I think we should advertise to this community anybody who has marketing strategies and abilities for this kind of money why not and you want the board to be involved with a B stuff too or who's the no go out like advertising for a job you know I think we're misunderstanding policy I gave you two policies there that give me the authority to do this I think it's stood and it's supposed to be in in budget I don't have anything you know any problems whatsoever

074in terms of you know more visibility and stuff like this Professional Services you can you can uh you know even call uh the Schoolboard Association attorneys they'll tell you that's you know uh professional typically bit out um that doesn't mean that you can't do something like this like I suggested that I was concerned about Nexus and and we needed uh uh you know others uh CES have been built to help do this what's happening with cesa they've evolved uh because they have to be highly competitive and you can't be competitive in all things and so what's happened with cesa they've they started specializing in certain areas cesa tend to specialize in this area and they have the market on it and it's a service agency that's built for schools uh you know what you have

075here is not a salary cost you have a salary and benefits and and all the support that goes behind that she has in terms of um you know to support that now yeah I made a call the same as I did with Jamie McCall the same I did with Mike n Mike n started as a contracted Services out of retirement because I was pulling expertise that I felt that this District needed to get it back on course and back to uh a destination point and I don't think you do that overnight uh but I think we did a damn good job at getting to where we're at today by bringing people with expertise and I I had to you know that was I would love to have Mike H site full-time I mean he's full-time

076but he's working you know here and at home because he can get the job done in terms of the most critical functions that you need I'm not here to argue that with you and this is isn't about Mike this is about we are Contracting Services for a large amount of money isn't there a possibility that we can look in our own district for the same amount of money we've never explored that I'm just saying it's an option think we should explore I think it's a great idea that's all that's all I'm asking I think it's worth looking at and I'm just curious I think Jim brought up a good point because with CE to six you know we're just playing them or paying them a rate right and if we were to hire a person

077fulltime we'd be paying their salary plus how much different would the cost be you know I mean exactly I don't know you're looking at a director or something close to that I mean and they're making more than that probably and or even if it was that much now you're adding benefits and everything else cost tax I totally agree with Keith you know in terms of I really believe more visibility is is really important here you know I mean you know for example we have somebody and I don't even know if you know this that we depend on a particular organization uh to help us design all our technology uh you know in over a a 10 year period of time we spent over a million dollars and I don't even know if you know their

078name um you know uh you know the organization that we use so I I truly believe I think you're opening to something that sign significant and I think this stuff should be detailed in budget uh you know to the extent that you know since we know and we're going to have these things that you know that up front so that we can expedite I Keith I think it's really a good point and I don't mean to you know to and we had a good conversation on this I I think everybody's just getting this comment like whoa It's a comment that I think we need to explore com that we need to look at in the district or maybe even with cesa7 or maybe somebody else the same Services is this the best deal bag maybe

079there is somebody local I have no idea Keith we actually started transitioning some stuff even from six to to 7 you know I I tend to want to support our local uh I just think uh one is she brought institutional knowledge because she's been on board here she used to write uh um Mark um uh letters to the uh to the paper I write my own uh but you know I knew when I came in Angela was using her significantly for budget and other people I know it's been benef icial for mikee U you know in terms of with that institutional knowledge me that yeah well I I'm just saying you're just arguing that we should we should be aware yeah I yeah yeah I'm just out of curious I don't think I don't think

080we're drown take on the job of drone you know doing all that Personnel stuff when we did this in house didn't we have a few people doing it well that was like um you know the our website and um you know so social media so we had some of our our assistant they reporting to the director doing that yeah but that's currently um uh Lisa is is working with Jessica and and also some to redo um you know because our web page is terrible I mean you know we're we're spending so much money because of the redundancy and what we have to do and that's where in honesty I was just trying to bring in expertise you know to get us uh up to speed sooner than later yeah and I I would just like

081to add you know and Keith you bring up a valid point I think we do need to be frent but I think and at the same time I I think we need to really think about how we go about that and I've always been a big advocate of you know elevating you know let's get our heads above the trees you over the forest so we can see what's going on you know set clear objectives and then let the superintendent do his job you know that's my philosophy on it I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong I'm just saying that there's probably a happy medium where we you know and I think it sounds like Jim's open to let's find what's the best fit and if we could get someone in house but it's

082also quite possible that we just don't have that Talent here or we couldn't get it like this when we needed it right and so there's that whole onboarding uh you know and that time with that so there there's different elements of this uh thing I think once you peel the onion back well you're being kind of selective I think in some of that um you know I I really think that the the argument is is like well let the superintendent do his job Etc and we need to trust the superintendent etc etc and And yet when um two years ago when we discovered where we were in terms of the building the building sit the building the you know the the building and ground situation and where we were in terms of the academic achievement

083I mean you ran on it for election and and and and it was like oh wow we just maybe we just trusted the superintendent too too much and maybe the board wasn't involved in in in it enough and that that raising questions raising questions are really important for us to do yeah and I I don't disagree with that at all I'm just saying how do we go about doing that for example you talk about the budget right Jim brought up the budget Angela have we gone over budget are we over the budget this year Well when we're talking about the contract that was signed is for next year so for a budget this year we're we're fine yeah so I mean even so the keep in mind this is like a $90 million year budget

084right so I I know but I get and I I agree with what keep saying so I'm not saying I disagree I'm just saying we have to be mindful as a board you know we can go down these rabbit holes and spend a lot of time on you know peanuts well yeah I think that's what we've done you know I mean the issues been raised and I think that what I've seen in you know really less than a month's time is that a good deal of these things are brought up and discussed in the Committees and the Committees can pursue that that sort of those sorts of issues and then bring proposals to the board rather than having us you know shoot from the hip and and and discuss this you know in a general

085way uh for too long because I think we've I think we've we've we've done that at this point and I think we should refer to the to the finance committee you know this issue to the finance committee to get a recommendation and then we can say it's a shitty re oh sorry it's a it's a bad recommendation um let me talk please yeah just a minute I have the you swearing so yeah I know I know it was my only slep in like how long like 20 minutes well no I think we should um we made me you made me I'm sorry but Mr President I'm sorry I think if we refer to to the the appropriate Committee in this case the finance committee it could be discussed there it could be given some you

086know it could be given some some thought by people who are very much engaged in in this whole in this whole area in a kind of a focused way and then then have have a have a recommendation made to the board um I mean we can't we can't do anything about it tonight no we're in we're in a contract I mean it's 100 so I I respectfully disagree with you about the committee structure because I asked questions about the camera project and it was voted and pushed through and now we're getting a camera project for $300,000 I think around that or more and I had no other bids seen and that's a a project going through and I had no Communications about it and it was told to go for it right away and I

087said no on the committee level and now it's going to get you know we're going to talk about it again but well we're going to talk about it I'm just saying if you can put it in a committee but it's not going to necessarily get talked about well okay okay but that's there's there's the instrument the instruments that we have okay I'm GNA I'm going to have us move on um is there any further discussion of Roman numeral Roman numeral 8 a CE the 6 contract is there I think that's what we just talking about I know that's what we were talking about okay I want to go on to new business new business a a curriculum committee um first issue on I think we'll take these one at a time the firefighter course we

088had um uh a good good good discussion we had um Todd Blazer the fire chief and the assistant fire chief Ben Ben kenck and and uh um assistant principal longm and there's clearly a clearly a a a demand for this or and um there's a shortage of volunteers uh there's a shortage of people going into firefighting there's an interest and this proposal for this course would generate people who could be volunteers and you know the Silver Creek Fire Department after finishing the course even consider having careers in it and so it seemed to to the people on the committee uh on the curriculum committee that this was a this was a solid proposal Mike Matt fips U made the motion that we accepted and it was it was voted unanimously so I'd like to recommend

089it to the board for approval second so move all right is there discussion yeah I just wanted to highlight the cost was $2,500 I think that's a huge return on our investment for the community like Mr President said here about how uh we have volunteer Fighters fire district uh sorry firefighter volunteer firefighters around the county that uh have lower enrollments than ever and we need to revitalize that and I think this is a great way to help the city and the county um because there's just truly not enough people getting into it anymore and this provides a path for our young educated uh students to get into it right away and Hope and and the the trainer is being provided um at no cost to the district yeah we don't have to provide a teacher

090so I I think that is amazing and I really am excited to see this move forward and uh talk about how so many more people hopefully are signing up for that kind of stuff in the future to stay involved in our community because it's a dire need and we need those volunteer firefighters and the City Firefighters uh to be able to take care of our needs so thank you very much for everybody that's been a part of this I know it's been in the works for quite a while uh it's just an amazing thing that we need to move forward with to help our community cool uh students from ronali and Luther will be also invited to take part and that's that's good community relations too I think um thank you do do you want

091to say anything about this uh just just that this is an awesome partnership and I appreciate this city um you know we we had you know meeting so this is an LTC course the students will receive LTC credit um we will come be coming back with to you for firefighter number two because after the completion of that one as we've said that it would be eligible to serve on volunteer departments and um you know to the city's point they're going to provide instruction we don't have anyone on staff certified to teach firefighting uh which is awesome because otherwise we wouldn't be able to do this so really ltc's course the city's teacher we're providing the facilities and the materials uh to make this happen um and just a real uh you know thank you to

092Chief Blazer uh the mayor for kind of giving the thumb of approval to have someone on staff at the fire department during their time of work you know come in and help teach our kids okay motion to to have a motion we got a motion in a second already yeah yeah that's right is there any further discussion just a comment that what's real important isn't it's does it just doesn't develop future firefighters these programs all of these programs help kids decide is that what I really want to do yeah right kids in high school need to find those things out um yeah those are quality people down it yeah I wish I had this when I was in school oh do you all yeah all the stuff we have Lincoln is kind of amazing uh

093I just wish it was part of where I went to school so many fun things that we do cool I think it's a good direction to go and we may do this for other other other areas as well it's sort of the Rising Phoenix uh program with LTC um early college now have that yeah y That's right so uh all those in favor of the course say I all those opposed okay we have a course uh the men public school um nursing Services uh most of this is something that has been passed routinely you know each year the new part of it is section three Roman number three dealing uh dealing uh article H dealing with the maoxin uh which is new now and they that will be a you know the supplies in that

094will be provided free and um I thought you know I looked the whole thing and it it seems like a certainly the nursing services in the manok public schools are you know what they should be they're they're excellent and they're and they and they've thought about they've thought about virtually everything and have a have a policy for it so uh is there a motion to accept the Nerf Nur Nurse Services plan we'll move second second discussion I think it would be prudent to say that the way they wanted to store this stuff was in the AUD uh packets or in the compartments of each school um and it was under uh lock and key essentially and then there would be notification if one of these was open because my biggest concern was obviously theft um

095for these these things so obviously uh it's under surveillance and notification if anybody ever tampers with those uh units so okay further do you do you want to comment okay call the vote all those in favor I I all those oppose okay passes uh men Public School District Library plan proposal what they're planning here what there's what this proposal is is they're proposing that they make a plan and uh admittedly um currently we're a little out of compliance with the Wisconsin statute 43.0 uh 70 parentheses z um three um so this is simply a proposal that they will make a proposal there a plan and make a proposed plan and um this did not this did not receive the affirmative recommendation of the board I mean of the of the committee uh was 33 vote

096um but we put it on the agenda for the whole a 22 vote yeah 22 vote I'll put it on um the agenda for consideration in tonight's meeting Tony had an objection I don't know if it was so much of an objection as as I think you correct correctly stated what your goal was in in revising the minutes of the curriculum committee meeting to say that you want you know sexual content material you know treated treated you know treated with go yeah I mean it's a concern of mine and you know I had a lot of people talk to me about it through the years and this is the first time I've actually seen hard evidence of something in our library that I thought was borderline not was totally inappropriate right like I wouldn't want

097my kids reading that not even my adult children uh so it was just something that I uh you know I feel that you know many in our community wouldn't be in favor of if they if they were to see that and I really appreciate uh you know I had some good conversations with both Lee and Jim about this and you know and the the people at the the committee too so all the staff that were there and I thought it was a good exchange and I appreciate uh you know some of the updates that uh you know came about specifically looking at at goal one uh they added some language uh around the age appropriateness uh criteria at each grade level and I think that's a great uh step in the right direction I really

098appreciate that um I would like to suggest uh that we add some additional language just for clarity uh that I think would be uh consistent with with addressing my concerns and and many people's concerns uh which would include uh no grade level shall contain sexually Prov provocative or suggested content just for clarity it's just there's no ambiguity going into this thing and that the you know everyone would be on the same page moving forward so no grade level correct Senior High School not Senior High School I mean I don't know what I don't I think provocative is a kind of a slippery slope but um you want you want to you want to add that to this I would I would like to add it uh and uh you know I I could read some

099of the stuff out loud again no weren here but they was this is this is a proposal this isn't this is a proposal so those comments go back to the committee for the new that's what I thought that's what I said in the committee I said as the chair I said I think that's not relevant to the to the the issue which is the issue and that is to authorize a plan to be developed correct and when it is then the board can say well we think it's sufficient in this and that motion that we authorize the plan to be developed okay is there a second to that second that okay is there further discussion I thought this if if I may just to clarify So based on the all the conversation that happened at

100the committee level and the plan um I would concur that the idea of this plan is to file with the DPI the vision of the man Public School District in relationship to our library system their goals are specifically around helping our libraries promote literacy like we are trying to do in raising student achievement and part of this they have a recognition that they'd like to create guidelines around buying books which most libraries have yeah so this plan is basically saying they will create this and as I talked with Tony and the committee um once it's developed we we absolutely plan to bring it back to the curriculum committee and then through this body for approval really all of this all this is asking for is our permission to move forward with the plan file it

101with the state that's what I that's what I said in the committee and we can we can most certainly and that's what the motion that's what the motion motion that's what yes because right now we have no way corre to answer concerns like that or do anything about concerns because there's no plan to take care of things so let that plan be developed we we have a plan for the back end so we have a board policy that says if somebody has uh issues with either materials in the classroom and curriculum or in the library that they can in writing submit to the principal their concerns there's a specific template that they would use and then a committee is formed at each potentially building if it was in more multiple buildings and then those committees

102respond and then comes to the office of curriculum instruction and then uh goes from there so so there is a reactive way to concerns but there isn't a proactive way to help us not get concerns by having the right things on our Shelf which is what the Librarians are really promoting here so if we have a plan to help them make those decisions before they're on the shelf that would be a good thing right and I agree with that 100% and the only thing I was suggesting was you know to get a little bit more clarity around Age appropriateness and what that means and that's why I suggested adding that language which I think is I understand that Tony but what you're doing is you're you're affecting the plan before they even discuss anything yeah

103right they should have that committee should have the ability to take your input if you want to talk to them um and come up with a plan but but you're stopping that from even happening by doing it before they have a chance to sit down and talk about this you know you still have input to that committee yeah I mean I I guess yeah I mean I I'm fully in favor of of you know we've had we've had a lot of a lot of people Express the fact that um there's way too much top down here and you don't think so Sur in a different situation earlier a lot of dro down here and I I would like to have the teachers take the Librarians in this case take a hit at the take a

104hit at this first and then for us to for us to approve or disapprove or amend what's then proposed I think that's the right order I don't think I don't think we we should offer directives at this point because it's in their Court well if they're bringing it to us I I don't see anything wrong with giving them some guidance I mean well I know I know you don't I know I don't you know yes I I I the the reactive plan you were talking about for things that are already there yeah I have heard and and maybe I'm wrong but I have heard that that is like just overwhelmingly a lot to get done in order for somebody to address anything and that's why I I'm not sure why we even it bothers me

105when we have this discussion because I'm not sure why there is even a discussion about anything in high school middle school or Elementary regarding sex um outside of a health class adding in there removing wow High School outside of I mean you you know what you know what adolesence how many how many how many kids do we have in high school are married how many kids are married in high school I don't in my opinion I think that you know that's something we can discuss later then my whole point is why is it so hard to just say get rid of anything sexual in our libraries they do have these course content um things that are that parents can elect to take them out of or whatever but there are specific things that are covered

106in the Wisconsin statute 118 regarding health class and things like that why do we have why is it even a big deal in CL in in the library get rid of all sexual stuff in the library period like about half the novels that are written Mr chair isn't isn't isn't this motion that I the motion is to authorize let them put get their plant we can send them on their way to develop a plan before it's even discussed exactly can address it yeah this was the tieing committee right 22 if I'm so I don't even know why it's here to begin with that's a valid question guess you know for discussion you wanted a motion for discussion the committee discussing and now your complaining that we're discussing no no no no we're not complaining that

107we're disc seem that way I mean we're not we're not complaining this all saying is they want to put together a plan and there's some stuff in our library now that I'm really concerned with and I think it's reasonable as a member of the board of publicly elected official to request the people putting this plan together take my concerns into consideration and that's I'm a big fan you know I'm a big fan of is is Clarity because I found generalizations kill Clarity so if if you go into something all vague and like there's no like you know you know a 100 different ways to interpret it then your interpretation could be totally different than mine and all I'm suggesting is somehow some way we got some stuff in our library today that nobody here would

108be comfortable if I read it all loud right um I do think we're dealing with professional Librarians I think they were at the meeting I'm not questioning that being and I think they they probably are aware that there's there's sensitivity here and um and but I but you know it's it's the Librarians that have to develop the plan I don't get why people are getting so bent out of shape because I want to add language that's going to again no grade level shall contain sexually provocative or suggestive content do you guys disagree with that I would vote against that if you're if you're uncomfortable with him reading some of the stuff out loud doesn't it make sense you don't want kids reading it we're talking about you know people in high school we're talking about

109all you're well past high school but we're still uncomfortable with him reading it out loud you mean like 18y old get rid of that stuff talking about body parts or reading about body parts you know I don't know I think that this I think the problem is is that the the um your your proposal is pretty vague a pretty General I mean it's like a you know just absolutely a Prohibition whereas I think it needs more in school I all right maybe we could put specific words like the word dick for example which is in that book okay I mean I could should I say that I can make that you can say that you can say anything you want I'm just saying it's like that's what's in there and it's uh it's disgusting and

110again it's not just that word by itself but it's like the other context around it it's basically you know it's like a porn scene this is in our school right now yeah yeah I I would just say you know from in in my opinion um one of the dangers of saying the way that you're proposing is I think it takes some novels like Romeo and Juliet off our Shelf um you know so I think that's why you know we're recommending having these Librarians who have access to resources from the American Library Association who who do this all the time like I said we're one of the we're a little out of compliance as we mentioned so we'll use the resources of Library professionals because this this of course conversation comes up in every Community uh

111because there's always things that get through and then there are challenges to it so I would hope and recommend that that that the board gives some Credence to our professionals to use those resources to create the language that we can and and and I do believe we put in the the plan age appropriate level uh for a reason because you know Tony we wanted to incorporate your concerns so that the professionals would have some direction in how to write the guidelines so you know um I'm just asking the board to allow us to move this forth because we've been several years out of compliance uh with not having a library plan on file with the state and this would really help us kind of move in that direction and I can make you every promise

112possible that that that I will ensure that we'll follow the plan and bring those guidelines that are developed by our professional librans to the to the board then for for approval this doesn't change that passing this plan or not passing this plan doesn't change the fact that that book that you're concerned about is in our library that has to be addressed by having someone write the complaint as in following our policy and then that would be addressed that way because that's the current methodology in which we have in place um isn't this again motion just to send this committee give our blessing to develop a authorize them devel is it into the we're not getting into the sending you on your way your Librarians to devel well the plan has been made they have to

113develop the actual guidelines yeah yeah so this would just Clarity to the plan that already has established three goals so I think it's prudent for the conversation right now I kept my mouth shut because I wanted to hear everybody but I mean Mr velica has this great point he's saying that if you're going to catch it you got to catch it on the front side otherwise and then Mr Spalding said on the back side it's it's very combersome and it's kind of you know you know it's not the best way but it works I understand but I mean what guarantee Mr tennis are you going to give the people that that the and I would say Spirit but you know you don't want we we don't want to Rapid generalizations but I think he's just

114trying to be clear what he is in his scope of of a criteria of a goal is is age appropriate within the language he just said so I don't understand why why would we object to the that scope of just being Clarity with the goal so that have the goals in mind when they create the plan cuz what's what's stopping anybody from not being compliant which we were already we are now this happening again there's nothing stopping it and if we are in out of compliance when are we going to get reprimanded for because we should have got reprimanded a long time ago because then books like this would got in here so I just there's no guarantee that so I'm saying Tony's trying to stop this or or be clear about what the objective

115is right from the beginning instead of being gr so I I I don't understand understand why everybody's fighting do we all want the same thing I'm just asking for do okay want books with uh I didn't say that and I don't think you should imply that I you know what but I don't I don't want I don't think it's a big deal to add that what's the downside well make a motion yeah there's a motion to there's a motion yeah but he can make a motion to amend he's motioning for a friendly amendment to your motion no friendly it can't be friendly it has to be I mean it has to be it has to be an amendment call the question you have to vote on it now okay vot all those in favor of

116the of the question no we have to vote the question sorry yeah yeah all those in favor of the question I I okay all right so the um do go anyway I have a question for you Lee do all students freshman s Junior and senior have access to the library from the first day of school uh yes okay is there a on this backend uh review that we were talking about before this process is there forms that they need to fill out no the policy just outlines you need the author the title the reason you're challenging it's it's not all that cumbersome I mean if you were going to challenge us because I want to fill it out for this book my daughter will be 14 years old when she starts linking high school next

117year yeah and I want to make sure that's out of our library okay it's policy it's 9130 yeah 9130 um I can get you a copy of it no I I got it on here I just want to make sure that I'm doing it properly because it well we can't do that in the meeting no I understand that okay I'm not familiar enough with the policy to be able to recite it to tell you exactly what to do but can I still make a motion on this I don't think so I mean the question was called and it was make a new motion yeah i' like to make a new motion on this agenda actually technically if I may parliamentary wise all that's happened so far as you failed to end debate so his motion

118send this group develop a plan I'd like to make a I'd like to amend make a friendly Amendment to the motion on the floor has to be an amendment well I guess in order to be friendly he has to be accepted okay I'd like to make an amendment to the motion on the floor I would like to add at the end of goal one the following words no grade level shall contain sexually provocative or suggested content you read it again there a second could could you could you read that no grade level shell contain sexually provocative or suggested content wow suggested content what does that mean his body felt great in my mouth that's more than suggestive come on I mean I don't that's well there's no swear words in it but it's disgusting uh

119I I I could agree with that I could agree with that that's frustrating but I don't I'm I'm talking about the wording of the amendment and I find it you know I find it really unclear I you know one of the things that came up just you know sometimes Lori has a hard time picking up what what the amendments are you know so oh yeah I mean everyone talking at the same time you read it back me please one time Tony correct me if I wrong you said you want added to goal one no grade level sh shall contain sexually provocative or suggestive content correct okay there discuss oh is there second okay bips seconds is there discussion I just want to say you know kiss a lot of Shakespeare goodbye um I just and

120and most the most the most of the good novels you know could be suggested suggestive in some ways I mean it just seems like boy use a sledgehammer to like I think because you offended that one book Common Sense would tell you that Romeo and Juliet is different than that that's strictly common sense that's not even there's nothing sexual in Romeo and Juliet okay well you you had used it for an example so what I'm saying is there's a very very distinct difference between that filth and Shakespeare there's yeah there's things that we've been using for Classics for a long time that may have those things in it's not even remotely close written in this I would say it's definitely not it's not written in this T and we know that but we all but

121in order to in order to get certain people's point across they want to lump all the good in with the bad this right here is filth none of that other stuff that we read as kids is filth there's a very broad line there that we're trying to squeeze and that's not even close I am just okay I'm just I'm just critical of the wording of the amendment that's what I'm critical yeah did that did did you get that book off the library did somebody give you that book off the shelf I verified it was in the library it was on the library shelf you know that it was on the library shelf in the library library library check out this year we got two copies in the library and confirmed that she knew it was

122in the in the library that was pretty big to me okay I don't need I don't need to get scolded I just asked I'm just sorry offended you okay so I would you be okay making an amendment for like historical uh literature you know like Romeo and Juliet or something like that or something that's been in in print for over aund you could say it that way it's something that's been in a print for over 100 years I'm open to suggestions I mean I don't want to keep Romeo and Julie get out of the library what I would like to do is keep uh buil there's a difference boys AR Blue and things that out of the library so I I mean I'd even be open to changing the language if what's the name of

123this all boys aren't find familiar so so I'm gonna I'm going to make a statement here about culture okay our Librarians right now who have spent hours preparing this plan and who are Professionals in the area of Library studies who are trained now to do this work are the ones in my opinion who should do it this really sounds you know frankly as a high school principal and a Civics teacher this isn't what I have in mind of good government I'm just saying that um we have professionals to do this work we should allow them to do it you've been clear about what you want to guidelines and I think our professionals hear you loud and clear then you get the last word anyway well it has to still be creative yeah I know but

124that yeah but you get the last word anyway Tony I guess and and you can vote against it when it comes up as as a finished plan corre right why don't we uh we have to vote on the on the amendment vot on second is further discussion on the amendment hearing none all those in favor of the amendment signify by i i i i all those opposed no n okay so it doesn't make it go back to committee it goes back to your motion back to your motion my original motion of sending them the okay to develop plan all right is there discussion on the motion okay all those in favor of the motion signify by I I I all those opposed okay fails so it fails all right um if I may just ask

125a clarifying question um what shall we do about our I mean does the bo have any suggestions about wait till next meeting okay wait till next meeting to the have the majority and then it'll go through the next meeting of the curriculum committee no the next meeting of the board of board of thank you okay uh i' like to make one more motion okay it's defeated can I make another motion a new motion on the same topic I believe we already and if you did you could do so by laying a motion to reconsider on the table if you were worried about it being of a ree that would allow you procedurally to re to act again on isue okay so I would like to do what Le just said and that just needs a

126majority vote so you'd move to uh lay a motion on the table to reconsider I would like to lay a motion on the table plan reconsider the plan yeah because he wants to make a different motion yeah yeah and I'm I'm willing to clarify and I think change the language to something that that maybe would be a little bit more meable to some of the concerns my peers may have uh specifically I would like that sentence to read no grade level shall contain sexually provocative or explicit content instead of suggestive yeah explicit sexually explicit I'll second it not this Tony made a motion to reconsider are you seconding his to reconsider that has to no grade level shall but first first we have to have pass the motion to reconsider otherwise it's a issue and

127so Tony made a motion to reconsider Matt Spalding seconded it now they would vote on that right okay the motion reconsider is there a discussion on that hearing none all those in favor reconsideration signify with i i i i all those opposed signify with n what what was the vote on that who was I everybody everyone everybody's in I reconsider Everyone's an I I didn't I just did I said I okay okay to reconsider okay Co we're reconsidering reconsidering so he can make his motion thank you I'd like to make a motion to add the following language to the end of goal one no grade level shall contain sexually provocative or explicit content discussion I'll second my thoughts on that are I'm just wondering what it is well how are you defining it well to

128me I Define you know provocative and explicit I think are more in line with some of the content that I came across in this book which I think we all agree is it's not appropriate right I'm not going to disagree with that Tony but but what you said is important what I think my interpretation people don't interpret things the same that's why you that's why the policy as originally written would let that group of people at least have a shot at stopping some of that from coming in because they'd be trained in that if this goes down again we're Where We Are and who knows what's on the shelves next year but but your provocative may not be provocative to somebody else it may be worse to somebody else just explicit so so you have

129to Define that and I how do you define it I think sorry no go ahead Matt the guidelines from The Librarians would would fulfill that so it's a goal it's yeah we're just moving forward he's just moving forward plan with a guidance and and then the Librarians the professionals and I quote because you know Professionals of that nature should be able to determine and then through that they'll give us the guidelines that they're wanting to keep it defined so the by passing it the governing body of the school district is telling them that and they're not going to do what we're telling them as a board I'm saying let them decide there's no policy right now at all let them come up as professionals it'll come back to us if we don't like it you

130can change it but but you're telling them before they even start where they should go we don't get a plan we don't get a plan because we don't have a we don't have a motion that'll pass I'm giving them some guard rails to develop that plan that's the way I it okay free country it seems to me the best way to get around the the interpretation of provocative Etc is to follow policy 90 90 9130 retroactively huh retroactively would be because that's well then you know then people then people explain what what what they object to you know etc etc and you know we got a book that hasn't been off the shelf all all all year it hasn't been like you know infiltrating the minds of of all the Adolescent at Lincoln I I

131I guess I don't see the danger um I don't see that as a particularly a major threat to the you know the moral the Moral Moral foundation of the of of of of the generation but what well I just want you know whether this plan passes or fails what I would tell you is the right thing to do is going to have the team work on these guidelines my concern just lies with you know getting something on file with the state so you know say do what you're going to do and then we'll move forward with what we know is right which is to create some guidelines and be proactive in this area I'm excited to see the updates see see see the plan well we won't have a plan if if we don't authorize

132we have we have that that's the issue on the floor is that do we want to plan or don't his motion is is on the floor and if these professionals can go by our guidelines I don't think that's a bad guideline guidelines I don't think it's a bad guideline to act it's a goal ultimately it's just giving them like I said guard rails to develop that plan it would allow them to move forward today okay well Is there further discussion on the proposal on the uh on the motion hearing none all those in favor of the motion signified by I all those areos no n okay we're done yep done with that now we move on to um that was 3 three yep y yeah so okay right the motion is it going to the

133next board meeting it'll be brought back to the next board meeting they can bring it up we can do that yeah does it go back to commit well it doesn't it doesn't have to be reflected in minutes what what what I we'll do is we'll bring it back to the curriculum committee and then funnel it back here all right uh items from the personnel and policy policy committee a first read of mirror policies mirroring mirroring mirroring mirroring and I will Le explain that it's yeah so we went through the um identifying some different areas here and how we can be a little bit more efficient and getting caught up with some of our Neola policies um the committee um we had some technical changes that were made based on Jim's authority to alert the board

134which is occurred that was uh just a handful uh we have this mirroring policy list again um these mirroring policies are really just policies that we've kept substantively the same to exactly what we have as a district currently um so the idea in our mirroring policy updates would be that if you have any issues with any of the mirroring policies you can pull them out uh to talk like kind of like we do on consent where youd pull them out otherwise uh your affirmative vote for these policies uh would move them forward to a second read uh that would basically just be updating those I believe there's 44 of them uh to remain the same languages we currently have as a district that's the mirroring policies okay and for future use we're cutting that we're

135cutting it to 25 a number that we came up with yeah because we'll run out of mirroring on they're all listed you can read them but we're cutting it down so you don't have to go through that many yeah and the other thing that we're doing is and it's something the board had asked for before we just really I don't think know how to do it but U than have to have you look at the original ju depose to the new one the what you'll see with these um is that there'll be there'll be um strikethroughs and everything all on one so you can see what's new what's old and and what's proposed so that should keep that should help also in reviewing them okay I would move to accept the uh policies first read

136of the miroring committee all we need is a vote then okay discussion on the vote is there discussion on that hearing none all those in favor of the motion I I I okay nice have it uh introduction to policies yes we had couple new ones if you want to speak to those um yeah so on this document you these were for essentially uh not following the mirring but these are policies that required some substantive changes uh so on this list we have um required student academic standards agenda item uh class rank uh bylaws and policies um that one this bylaw uh will allow the board uh with its recommendations currently selected um another strategy in terms of helping us uh be more efficient in these policy reviews currently it takes two board Cycles or two

137months to approve a policy uh with that bylaw change when it once it goes through its second read in July beginning in August when we send something out of personnel and policy that is policy related it will'll just need the one approval by the board and it would become adopted um the other ones on here are student accident Insurance control B bloodborne pathogens our audit um patient protection Affordable Care Act evaluation of support staff patient protection affordable ER uh Care Act again use of personal communication devices the oath of office for the board and the electoral process of the board those are were also approved unanimously in committee uh by a slate vote so my motion would be to accept those for first read um again have to come back for the second read if

138you go through a second time and you see something you disagree with you can bring it up at that time also but my motion is to accept these policies uh is there a second doesn't need to come out oh yeah that's right sorry goad Mr Hansen is there big changes that you'd like to highlight at all from these no I know people have concerns that they can look through them and U you have a concern you can change something I wanted to address that um on the committee where was attached to the committee I was able to click on those I'm not able to on this one oh and I wanted to make sure that was anybody else able to click on these and see the differences that's current for some reason it's not working

139for me I wanted to make sure that was the whole point be a to yeah my Link's not working on board booking make sure that this are are working especially for uh yeah so I think I don't know if it's a board book function to be able to do that so what we can do is um for sure we could get like the Google Doc version of that where there are linked so you were able to link them in the committee though right well no I maybe either way whatever we had the committe can we make sure that we to these guys I want them to be able to click on it and see very handy how you had it written it just may have to be in that format versus I don't know why

140on board book are are we able to link um things in board book it should have worked okay yes for sure it's not working and I did at home but it's not working here oh really yeah well I will say brady might want to or Nick we have Internet issues today they were doing an upgrade and there were some I don't think that would change a link but okay I'm just saying that's the only thing I can say though but yes absolutely yeah yeah it was nice to because we were able to click on it and it was just the one link it didn't have both of them instead of having them 100 of them were in red showed it and anything added was in green it was very handy to see exactly what was

141changing as opposed to opening up two different ones and reading and that's kind of what I was hoping for these guys with them but I'll second yeah need if anybody if anybody's uncomfortable because they weren't able to get to it we can table this until next Mee I would be open for that just because they weren't able to review it um true however I mean just as a as a point of clarification even if you forward these to Second read you'd have the the next month if you had concerns that you could pull otherwise we fall a month behind um that is only the first read this is only the first read uring but then again at the end of this month we're going to make it it's not going to change that is it

142not until our after the July meeting okay all right so even even even policies that come out of the next committee meeting we'll still need two reads because that bylaw won't officially go into effect until the July meeting or nth meeting so Matt Tony if you have a concern I'll table it otherwise I'm okay if you go with it if we're gonna there's a second read we'll be all right and that way we don't fall behind we'll fix the link that but it's are you okay okay just make sure I thought so that's so I'll move to approve all those in favor say I post okay all right we're down to see this this is a long shopping list um Finance finance and Facilities committee meeting um brought forward a number of a number of

143recommendations boring construction update Keith um is there any of these that we got to pull out or can we do this group they're going to need some discussion on some of these pathway polies instruction where are you on this carry the last six on the bottom n c from yeah 9C 9 c.1 yeah see. what superintend oh this is this is Mr file's memo right that's it uh the superintendent brought to the committee um a a template of looking at three bwing programs at a three- tiered level that was presented and um we discussed this at some length the end of the result of it was that Tony after some discussion made a uh motion to go ahead and do the borrowing of the $220,000 or $20 million um but it never passed a a

144unanimous or a majority motion and it was tabled to bring only to discussion to the board it did not pass the committee uh with the goal head to do the 20 million doll aing program as he presented in his memo to all of us so that's where we're at right now is that discussion level regarding that policy okay because it did not pass the board uh did not pass the facilities committee there was a number of conversations about that that we weren't ready for that all sorts of things surrounded it that's why it was defeated well we weren't well explain why why it was defeated I mean it was it was like it was I think your your argument was it's the cart before the horse that's correct and there was there was another thing

145that was talk about is there was a directive and it did pass that the superintendent was to do an attendance mapping area and an enrollment plan uh specificity was to be looking at this plan for a t five to 10 year projection and uh putting money borrowing money were were again Beed con or Beed Finance said you do the borrowing yep you start to pay and you don't pass a referendum you still pay that bill so we really don't know what we're going for there's a lot of conversation out there as to what what is what the plans are going to be uh there's a facilities committee that the superintendent has that has laid out a number of scenarios okay beautifully done by this committee but now those scenarios have to be brought forth with

146specificity to see what happens at grade levels what happens at buildings what buildings are going to possibly need renovation or what buildings in five years won't even need to be in existence we don't have that yeah so putting the $20 million to the taxpayer because it has to be paid back um when we still have a fluid budget we're not set on our budget is risky that's why it didn't go any place okay so we we we wait for the the reports from the superintendent by by the motion that to motion that Mr fips is before we really start investigating these things we need this specific documentation on the options that this uh facilities committee has presented um to come back to the facilities committee and then to the board on all sorts of things

147now I really really enjoyed the uh the uh the the borrowing expert that was in the room that day I think we all are very uh uh inquisitive to learn and we learned quite a bit about how the borrowing Works um he was very very helpful for us understanding as a committee and as uh directors and other people that were at the meeting as well so I would recommend you know he was here that was amazing he did say the borrowing part of it um in other districts in the past because he does work with many other districts is actually quite um painless we'll call it to get that um moving forward if we need to and when we need to or or that whole process so um being prudent of having a detailed plan

148moving forward I think is great um and the borrowing side of it I would en encourage that individual to come back and answer more questions as a a committee in that in that area and um I think the term was up to $20 million I think the the uh the action doesn't need to be done at this moment however I think we need to understand that this is uh time sensitive um so I think asking for that uh what we did pass in committee is helpful uh and I think I'm I'm excited to see some more information from the directors and the superintendent's office about uh exact planning um but I think it is prudent that we do move forward and understanding hey we're going to need to to maneuver some money around um to

149to uh secure uh long-term uh you know plans so uh that's why that kind of was brought to us I believe it was PR it was was understandable why the superintendent office brought this memo to us and then having the borrowing agent there as well so I think it was all in timing was fine I just am really excited to see more detail and um attendance areas mapping U literally just black and white to see where we're going as a district obviously we have General numbers but just having a detailed plan so I think I'm I I'll speak for myself I'm ready to move forward just want to see some more understanding of how we're going to uh meet the needs of our students in the future but it's going to have to be short-term

150borrowing to get anything done anytime soon so that we can do projects next summer I think it's a good idea I was just gonna piggyback off what Matt was saying and from what I could gather in that discussion and I agree it was a really good discussion uh borrowing is is really the only option that we have that's going to allow us to get priority items done near term without any additional burden on taxpayers and it's going to buy us four years uh basically to you know to write the ship or keep the ship you moving in the right direction so personally I like that because I look at it as like Hey we're betting on ourselves right and if we're not going to bet on ourselves then you know what does that say about

151it and you know I think while we're that will allow us to address some near-term uh deficiencies and priorities uh it'll allow us to uh work and and build the case uh for a larger investment from the public at some point which is going to be inevitable I think is you know a larger Capital referendum or borrowing referendum I don't believe that now is a good time to uh pursue that um with the community I think that everyone's kind of stretched to the limit to some extent or a lot of people are and that's why I'm I'm personally in favor of the borrowing and uh yeah that's my two STS Chief yeah I I I think uh Matt fips had a good idea when when we get these these options that have been presented and

152we get the specificity to these options to bring Mike from beard uh Finance back to answer our questions and maybe even a special meeting that's totally designed to that would be really advantageous because there's a lot of there's a lot of Finance information we will then have a solid budget we'll know what's going on where our borrowing and our spending has been and get that man in here to really start answering some questions after we have all these options to take look at I highlight that the structure of borrowing is very important as well that was new information to me about how public debt goes so and but I still think this is very time sensitive so be open to seeing a special meeting or something because we we can't be kicking this can down

153down any further I think we're on it we just have to organize the data and then it gets presented to to the the full board after obviously committee and that was the end of the discussion there doesn't take any board action at this point because it was C share that the district is currently in an owner's representative agreement that the decisions regarding the direction for the district and space utilization are clear from their standpoint based on economics and that Community feedback was not critical we're not going to ask the public what they think about any of this well can I I know the only the only feedback the public must have heard was somebody emailed me a podcast of a local radio station and they talked for all day Friday on their hour about ripping

154down the high school putting it somewhere else and uh that was from information they had from the board ripping down Madison and Jackson and busing kids to stangle putting an addition on there the community needs to be part of that discussion this has always been a neighborhood School place maybe it's not anymore but at least they should have input into that I have seen nothing that would say let's start borrowing money and hire an architect what do we what are we going to do have we made a decision I don't know where we're going with this and yet we're not even going to say hey people that live in the district come on in and have some input into this discussion that's important to what we're doing to get buying I was at a meeting

155last night because the county has a $6 million debt and out of the people that got up and spoke probably half talked about the huge increase they got in their school taxes last year yeah and they never even knew it was coming we we as a board have the responsibility to sit down with the people of this district and say hey these are some options we're going to close these schools we're going to bus we're going to fix Madison fix Jackson we're gonna renovate the high school instead of building something for 150 million new somewhere else we got to have those discussions with the people who give us the money to make change and we haven't and we're talking about borrowing 20 million what is I I don't get that I I I honestly and

156I've been in government a long time and I don't understand major projects without having Community input that's got to happen before we make any decisions add real quick just that that 20 million was in my estimation was more geared towards some of those urgent items that were uncovered on the facility audit so that wasn't going to be going towards so which schools Tony which schools are the Urgent ones that we're going to fix well the ones that we know for sure are more than likely going to be the long-term plan right the ones that what is the long-term plan the community hasn't decided that's that's a fair point I'm just saying that's part and I agree those discussions need to be taking place publicly and they've somewhat began at the committee level right you know

157I'm certainly agree with a lot of what you're saying right now and and that is why the direction has been made out of our committee to take these options that have been presented and they they they've done a nice job take these options that have been presented and designate what the tasks to the superintendent to give before we ever go to the public we need as everybody knows a plan of action before we can go there's there's been no decision by by anything that I've witnessed that's saying this is what we're going to do I I've never I have not seen that or heard that yet we are have been directed to get these plans together based on the options that were presented and I think that's a must I sound crazy but I agree

158with different I'm saying I just I'm kind of in agreement because I I don't know what we have talked about what we're keeping yeah and some of those urgent ones that we were talking about I mean I just don't want to be sticking money in buildings we may not have that's all I'm saying and I don't want to see any more increase the whole even options for the referendum thing makes me R thinking I mean I'm I I just would really like to know where the idea of feedback from the community is not critical came from I that really that statement bothers me that feedback of the people that we serve aren't critical to this decision one one of the things might be beneficial is your on breast here you know who has been dra

159you know who Who season 10 is the one who assessed our facilities and giving you a report that would just say if you took care of all the uh uh maintenance that should have been done this is what you have um that's the starting place then to start thinking about scenarios for plan and we recognize that there's just no way you can solve all this at want and it's going to take years to solve it and so then I asked uh cisa 10 uh understanding that and understanding that what I heard was the high school is useful life might only be 10 to 15 years more so there was a red flag in terms so we better understand you know what it might take to rebuild that school I and the other thing was uh

160we have a thousand less students U you know that's almost equivalent of two schools and so we're paying for space we're paying taxpayer dollars for space we're not using where we could utilize that's where your plan to us has to come in what's going to happen right I I I think that this is all really good and really what we wanted to do was make sure we had more concrete information you know before engaging the public and you get that with an architect the but in hiring an architect you need to have a scope of work and now what we did recognize and we got this from C the 10 and that's why C the 10 is here because they can explain this a lot better than I can uh what they've identified was the

161state the condition of our facilities and and what they've identified is two schools in particular or three schools in particular are probably going to be part of your long range plan in in some way uh one was Jefferson the newest school um in and um you know to extemp that finish that work okay and that included an addition and and again I'm just Nate will be able to provide much better detail on the second thing is both covering the North and the the South two schools are really in better condition or better footprint uh for a permanent plan uh and that happened to be stangle uh and um Monroe and and so what they're suggesting is be careful you don't start pouring money more than you need to if you might be commission schools and

162so that's why three schools were identified shortterm try to get some of this work done next summer at least that make me feel better about that and and now now we're we're running out of you know time you know and and again one of the things you know and I wasn't here I I had some personal matters to attend to you know um but uh I think it was a good committee they provided you know five options in terms of borrowing and and the group out of the five and all five were provided to the board you know was the second one uh which which was 15 million and and even I had suggested maybe the use of fund balance too uh to to really start can't fund balance sorry well you know again I'm

163only you know um you know I have some understandings and I believe you can okay that's obviously a board decision but again I'm just trying to set the St don't shoot the messenger I'm just trying to one of the concerns is if we're going to get some work done next summer you need you know the more lead time you have the more likely you're going to have a better result but that architect and we can't hire an architect if we don't Define scope and so the scope was around those three schools and that was to get it started and the second thing there was the second component that was to start planning for phase two and and we could have one architect or two um you know preferably one that can both handle this immediate

164need with getting more detailed costs uh as well as starting to plan for the referendum in terms of you know these are estimates but they're not what you'd get with an architect they're going to be more definitive and you're going to know more to to be able to provide you those plans like uh so so those three schools you know again one of the things I mention was we have a th000 students less that's equivalent to two buildings you know and we and talking with my instructional team they're they they they most definitely see where we could fit uh things into some existing facilities and we could save taxpayer money and not invest in in a school that we might later or shortly make a decision and again it's not it's not a recommendation it

165was kind of a stage um you know uh to to to go for that um so so with with that it was you know to start planning for for that referendum and and and we see two referendums potentially um you know obviously there could be others or we could we could kick it down the Rope you know and just say we need much more time we can't rush this I I understand that uh but there's a risk associated in cost and you know when the the roast are leaking and the um water's coming through the windows and right uh you know we start putting money into facilities that we may not keep we're throwing taxpayer money away that was just my concern talking and this sounds like a B I needed to hear that I

166recognized Angela sorry you a couple of just technical Corrections um what we would be doing is not called short-term borrowing on any level it's 10 years or 20 years our projected payment for 20 years would be 1.6 million 2.5 for for 10 years span that's even from where we had initially projected that's that's higher also we've had a loss of students but only have about 400 I just want to make sure we're all on that not a th just to help bring 30 confusion on that so I just wanted to make sure that I I sh that Pon a year I thought it point or did something change that was for lower amounts so the amounts have changed over time because initially it was what could we get for a $1 million payment and that

167was the smaller amount that was 12 million 12 million if you had over 20 years M balding and then M bips and then I I I just want to finish what I was saying is that before this s what Jim told me and I said I'm glad I wanted to hear that that that was very good and and somebody's thinking ahead of time and that's what I needed to hear in order to to even remotely look at this because before just looking at this I'm just like okay we need money we just don't know what we're going to do with it yet at least we have a base plan and or at least a start with plan we know for sure these three schools is going to be in our long-term plan that I needed

168to know these things before but yeah that sounds much better and and and part of part of the the urgency here was that if in fact we could uh decommission you know consolidate you know where we could not um put money into a school that we didn't need to because we we have excessive capacity uh what we would have to do is make sure that we the places are are set to take those students and that's where this also comes in those uh two schools and so that that was you know uh but but opening up to the public you know I I think we have to because I think it's it's it's so big um that we're we're we're we're spending money you know that we could stop that bleeding a little bit but

169it it requires some decisive action to start that work even next summer and that's why this so again I I think Nate is is a valuable resource to you I'm trying to just kind of uh convey what I picked up from cesa 10 and I think my instructional team you know picked that same thing up and felt like we could do this Matt F I just want to apologize to our owners ref because understanding you're kind of turning into the boogeyman because of the truth and I know you have big shoulders so you're doing a great job but it the truth is I'm so happy with how this process has been laid out in this dirty Arena of of of government work because we've been as transparent as possible uh we've asked for this all

170started back when we started the Strategic plan and we wanted to make manat walk a destination but we had no State of Affairs so we moved into finding out the State of Affairs where we were at from an educational standpoint instructional standpoint and then a facility standpoint we got the audit done now we have the boogeyman himself C 10 here telling us the true State of Affairs of our facilities and we knew they were neglected but we didn't know how much now we have a big binder to know what's wrong with our facilities and then we have an enrollment we understand the enrollments gone down so the big boogeyman's telling us hey we have a lot of space we've had the same facilities for over 20 years that our enrollments gone down and we maybe

171could reutilize our structures a little bit differently to meet the need needs of the future uh students of this District so this is all being collaborated at the same time as I understand Mr Hansen your thoughts of of not engaging the public uh and that's very valid but the way you framed it it seemed like nobody's being told well I'm I don't have any more information than you do and I'm a board member I'm just saying hey we have the information that's being presented to us now about the state of Affairs and we're asking for a more comprehensive plan to understand the needs of the future and that's what we're getting uh hopefully uh as a directive coming from committee because we voted on it and we asked for more Direction so that needs to

172be analyzed to us and then we can have a few options a few potential solutions to our conundrum and uh hopefully positively to meet the needs and then as a district we can go to the public and explain the solutions because I've learned real quickly that if you find any problems in this District you damn well better have the solution before you tell the problems that seems to be that's a reoccurring theme so we have the problem it's been in our face for a long time now we're trying to organize at least three solutions which they've been coming and and and the boogeyman's been pretty good about giving us the solutions it just hasn't been quite articulated with the attendance in the mapping and on a whiteboard so everybody can see it but I think

173it's coming quite quickly if everybody would but understandably we need get on the road of trying to plan forward so that's why the borrowing part forward because the referendum fatigue but I think it's been quite transparent and I thank you sorry to call you the boogeyman but you've been great and understanding how the the truth hurts and and that's really where we're at now and now we we're wrestling with it this isn't this isn't about C 10 at all no it's not but I can't just I there's nothing you said that I can disagree with the next plan is what we have to have before we can do anything and we're 400 kids short that 400 kids doesn't come out of one building it's coming out of all 10 of our buildings so when those

174400 kids go someplace and we're looking at let's say pretend Madison where are the kids from Madison going to go what's going to affect that class size in Jackson or stangle do we have to hire more teachers or are we going to be less teachers if we take those 400 kids and we displace them and we move to another building what's going to happen to that that building what's the enrollment going to do what have our neighborhood schools going to do we move three blocks this way four blocks that way how many kids are moving to Jackson how many kids are moving to stangle how many kids are moving to Jackson and that's just that's what we need to know and then we can come up with the picture from the options that this committee

175has put as to which one's the most feasible where's going to get us the best gang so it's got to come out of your motion so we have some specificity just like Matt said I totally agree and think we're just talking about talk about it because that's what we do I think we're all on the same page yeah yeah you saw yourself short you must have more information than me because you were the one they kept quoting on the podcast they listened to what podcast was I on it's on a radio talk show you weren't on it they kept talking about Matt fips told us this Matt fips gave us this information so you must know more than I now here's my concern and and you're not the boogeyman this would have happened this would

176have happened any group that came in just inform but why is it stangle a great school right now what why is stangle not a grade school right now you know 42 kids that lived in that neighborhood and every everybody else was busted there so is that our plan that we're going to just bus everybody to stangle because we're closing Madison and Jackson is that the plan please don't say we're closing thank you thank you thank you he's hijacked so then you don't want me to say that then let's publicly tell people what we're doing yeah okay we haven't the public doesn't know but we don't know what we're doing the high school was coming down according to the podcast the schools are closing according to you can you but the public doesn't know I'm saying

177get it out there I want to listen to it can you tell me what podcast does Nate have anything to say commented I I don't know if you said directly that it was us we we wouldn't make a comment I say it was you it was in the minutes and somebody said we wouldn't say community feedback was not critical Well Community feedback is highly critical I think a direction that where they may get that may have gotten misconstrued would be we've often recommended that it's important to meet internally as a facility group and feed information to the board or the committee level to develop plans plural in distribute information that way where I disagree with broadcast I mean we've never suggested knocking down I've suggested that that's the right thing to do for Lincoln but

178in none of the plans do we knock down Lincoln so we' we've never considered that we need to bring the Community Options not a broad stroke of we've got problems and we got to P them we could do this or this or maybe this a couple of different options that would be the goal to have those options in place at the board level before we go to the m Community with with options um yeah I guess that's what I wanted to say I'll defend myself a little bit but I mean all you had to do read the minutes that's what we talked about everything in the minutes the sheets that we got from the facilities and from the last two years of being on the board I've accumulated knowledge of the facilities because day one

179when I was elected I asked what the heck's going on and the department was in a uh call it stress and I had some questions and obviously I got some answers as it but I'm telling you it's only been from the last two years of me asking questions how I've gotten answers that's that's all we got to do it I guess ask questions so thank you yeah Keith go on with the go on with the one of the things that that's just important you know because I don't remember if there was um a motion in there to hire an architect and if there is yeah then then there is we need to have a scope of work for the architect you know otherwise it's just okay let's let's do all kinds of stuff I mean

180uh it's you know it was specifically there is there is there is in the minutes it's not here but there is in the minutes to do that I can read that when when it comes time to okay that's the only thing terance of making sure we have Clarity otherwise we might proing something we can't deliver on it okay not on the agenda it is not on the agenda it's not on the agenda then you can't take it was it was it was out of committee but I can't bring it up now because it's not in the agenda I do think that you know Le back now I think the information what I've been listening to in the disc discussion before I was up here I do think you guys desperately want and need the information

181that I believe Lee is putting together right now um be helpful I would highly you know it's my job to try to steer you out of pitfalls that we've seen and I would highly not recommend hiring an architect without a scope and just saying let's do something um a couple of points that I would make where we've we've done a lot of things for you and giv you a lot of options to consider and that was by Design because this needs to be driven by the district and the board not us there's a few things that I think are on the table that you've been discussing and that you don't need an architect for but that would be the type of not this is what we're doing but this is the direction we're heading so

182I just wrote These down as you were talking you don't need an architect to determine if you want to make critical maintenance improvements to the schools that we've determined through our auditing have a high probability of being here in the long term and that includes Lincoln just on this account of its sheer cost yes I'd be the first one to say a better option would be to build a new Lincoln but we can't even go there uh and actually Franklin another one same as Lincoln sits in the same spot but we can't go there so sorry I got off there but critical maintenance on the schools that you want to keep do you want to do some consolidation in the elementary school level after you have the information we is going to provide you because

183truly and that's again where one of my comments have got misconstrued consolidation at the elementary school level here should be driven by the business department and the education department and dollars and cents in my mind so then we could come in and tell you what the best out facilities and I understand bling is going to be an issue atle and the third one sorry talking too much is at Jefferson it's a yes or no to me if you want to add a lunchroom to that facility or not because that's really what it's missing so if that's the type of scope questions that I think we could answer the information we currently have that would give you the information to decide whether you want to hire an architect and maybe we could do that next month

184we are as everybody's kind of said getting real tight uh even now I think I'm not saying we hire an architect or we go out with an RFP for an architect in July it's possible we'll be able to do something next summer but it's also possible so things would have to thank you to get like a we have to get RFP put together for that and we've asked you guys to start assembling that so and uh I have I everybody if during the committee meeting we all talked about the 1.2 and I brought up again and then there were projects appendix a was mentioned where's appendix a appendix a well I have appendix a for you this is what that money um this is what that money 1.2 was designated to do and here's appendix

185a you can all take a look and see where we're at with that money that was set aside for the projects pass this real take a look at it but okay got it so here's here's the here's what we're doing and this is the timeline and these are you're going to see in and Mike if you want to talk about some of these where we're at this is with that 1.2 million went so here's where we're at so the board and the public can have an idea of what what is going on for from March 1 to February 28 2025 this just gives gives you an idea of what's going on okay um it's just a point of information and also the schools that are getting the projects so Mike it's all yours any questions

186for Mike Mike planning on on we're doing some of this work already we're getting securing bids on some of this stuff um that'll come up later is the lighting project and that and that's about halfway down on the first page there so again we're just going after the buildings that really we are almost sure we're going to keep and uh we don't want to spend money foolishly we're trying to move forward and the lighting Project's coming up for so that we can get going on that it's coming up for the board tonight to approve okay and this is in the uh scope of as we're looking forward uh you know planning on some of these schools Monro in here U yeah it just it's right now we thinking is going to be here and we're

187planning in that direction but I'm not saying 1.2 million is not a lot of money but the this needs to be done on these project that's already been budgeted for that's already right that's that's for 2425 for 2425 that's that's in there so these are good to both it was approved yeah this is this is immediate needs to be done I wanted you guys to have a what appendix a you passed appendix a but this is what appendix a is so at least we know what's going to happen this summer and going into next year which is I think valuable information thank you and we have a meeting coming up on June 20th so if we can get the RFP draft for uh AR act that would be valuable we don't know or even just

188the general other questions for these guys we can move on I just you could present a recommendation maybe for the scope that would be if you don't have an RFB get a recommendation together that's what I would suggest you know what I'm saying I do and I I feel like I have and presentent it and put it in paper and then then you'll have the the the scope approval or not or just a range of things I think that's kind of logically where the board is going maybe I could bring that committee yep oh yeah that would be great exactly what you said but kind of organized a little more and then we could discuss it put it on the agenda and then that actually can be discussed okay public is open to hear all

189that so it's transparent we move on to lighting bid the lighting bid results were in and there was a motion to award the lighting bid to NCL yeah uh it approved the committee the lighting bid was approximately 10,666 it passed the committee three to nothing so we're bringing it to the board for a vote yeah um it passed needs no motion all that needs is discussion yeah how did that process go working with owners rep on that first because that was probably your first bidding process working with owners rep uh how did that process go uh does it seem like it's feasible in the solution in the future to maybe do it inhouse or to stick with c0 always for me without a doubt I need to be using C 10 on this because of

190I mean they they build us for their time already but it U request for uh proposals and that stuff are like seamless I like seeing the the three bits same things you're looking at and we can move forward and kept keep uh perfect yeah just keep moving forward on this stuff but the bidding process worked it came back pass committee ready to go sure I took the time I met with some of the contractors myself that that could wouldn't be there we only had two fs and then I met with a third one and I took my time to go over there and walk them through the school and that stuff so we weren't spending ca's money or spending our money and using them so um that's what I'm here for to keep cesa out

191as much as we can I'll do the light work I guess clarification Angela could you tell me how much we spent on CA 10 facilitating the bidding process that would be my specific to the bidding process I'm not sure you understand myct question CU that could be done internally or having a sub yourself doing it that's why I'm asking the total cost uh because that would be something we could replicate in the future in house or uh through a sub petric that's why I asked the question yeah no you're and I had asked for a little more detail as well because we had a list of total hours and a list of work but not sort of like detailed by this many hours here for this or that so for in the future moving forward

192if we track that that we could understand our return on our investment I think I can get you you understand why I'm asking okay I think I'm get I bet it's a great value because the boogeyman does a great good Lord so we have a motion yep um is there any discussion on the motion hearing none um take the vote all those in favor awarding yeah okay all those in favor I I any opposed motion passes the lighting project can begin that is good news all right how about the pools back to the project planning information in this session because we do have motion uh forwarded for that as well for the district camera upgrade and V campus full Suite in clear go uh we group those together in a vote just to approve those

193um and we just skipped over that so I just wanted to make sure we okay did that come out a committee yes it did okay so there's a motion then yes all right is there discussion on the motion I saw the stuff yeah is there any discussion hearing none all those in favor of the motion but signify with i i i any oppose one one name here's the information on the pool assessment um Mike and uh gave us some District information as well as Nate you know the suggestion is to keep Wilson and Washington Pools closed for the next school year and to remove the Washington heater because it's still good and functioning over to Riverview School so the Riverview School can be operated in full capacity correct that's right that that's it any other

194questions that doesn't take a motion is just update you guys as what's going on in the facilities yeah so that that will take Place uh Angela quickly you want to talk about the fund 46 transfer so we can move on do we have to vote on that we don't need information on the so for fun 46 we had two items was the plan update so just included was the old plan new plan and really from a technical standpoint uh we'll be putting together more details regarding projects on a one you know one two five 10 year scope but uh we just have just putting the facility audit and get added documents file for audit purposes so and then the transfer was separately published take them separately yeah we do need a motion is passed 4

195Zero by the committee we need a motion to accept the fund 46 updated plan I'll make a motion second second okay all those uh any discussion it's pivotal to have it in our long-term capital Improvement plan so that we can use fund 46 on those kinds of infrastructure improvements so it's only prudent that we make sure that it's in the capitalization it's in the uh assessment of the audit that we just got receed okay that's all I got okay anything else all those in favor I any oppos okay the next one was a budget amendment this is happens all the time with the June budget has to be don't we have don't we have to vote on authorized transfer authorization yeah the plan and one was the transfer auth yeah sorry we have to vote

196on the transfer auth we just have to authorize the ability add anything to that yeah is there any motion is there a motion for that second second all those in favor I I I good budget amendment budget amendment approved the pass the committee board nothing to uh allow the board to transfer or to amend the uh budget as was presented do you want to address that very quickly we made more money than we saw main main budget amendment in there was to bring uh to recognize the additional interest earn so that was that and then I like that yeah that's okay out of committee all we need is a vote and all right there's a motion to um be happy about that uh all those in favor second doesn't need a second no it doesn't

197need a second all those in favor I any opposed no okay I mean nobody's opposed the last thing out ofi finance and business was the adjustment in student fees um the yearbook fee is going to go up $5 no down oh down excuse me down $5 and the rest of the fees were pretty much staying the same as they have been in the past the past the committing 4 is zero so all we need is for approval I make a motion to approve student Fe okay revision all those in favor I I okay any opposed no remarks remarks of the uh board president want to thank you for letting me be board president for this long and that's it um next meeting probably June 25th right Finance has been changed to the 20th right Tony

198that's good for you thank you finance to the 20th 20th you have a Time 5 p.m right uh 5m. okay thank you next board meeting June 25th that's right isn't it yeah okay anything else is the motion to adjourn okay all those in favor all right thanks guys thanks than you president you get for