Regular Board of Education Meeting 9/12/2023

001can't make you know but about two about a third of it or maybe more is subsidized you know the the the institution is Subs okay I'm going to go ahead and call our meeting order um with our Pledge of Allegiance i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with Li and Justice you take all I nothing's working Christopher here FFF Hansen here Matthew fips here Stacy seldner here m Matthew sping here har Tony bastelica here thank you okay we do have public input I do have um three individuals is there anyone else that didn't turn one in that wanted to speak tonight okay um so our first um guest is Braden Meyer if you come up Bren if you would

002just say your um name and address for the record please Myers drive it is no secret that many months now our economy has been in shambles inflation has reached an all-time high since the 1970s making it difficult for districts like ours to operate without a funding increase last year America experienced a negative GDP growth which is really GDP decrease for two quarters marking a recession to help combat these factors there is a great way that our district can help our economy through these times the way to do that is by prioritizing the purchase of American Products over foreign products a school district requires a lot of materials and services when these are bought domestically rather than foreign that money stays in our economy as the money stays within our economy it goes toward American organizations

003and individuals these entities then have more money for themselves the result from that is one more money can be spent on products two employees can be kept with an increased likelihood of a higher salary three inflation won't rage as much as it has been and four there would be an overall economic growth for all citizens including our students there may even be more or larger donations to our district think about this if our district provided any type of service or materials we would like people to buy from us rather than a corporation from across the world buying from our homeland not only Spurs our economy but Spurs our morality we share the values of our people more than any foreign entity ever could it feels great when you buy an American M product product over

004one which could have been bought outside our country only if a product is not made in America should the district buy products from a foreign land if a product must be bought from a foreign land it should not be from one which uses immoral child labor production or one which is run by a socialist regime regimes such as the Chinese Communist Party should not have any leverage for an advancement in their influence over the world world the CCP has already infiltrated our institutions through social theories let's not give them fiscal assistance as well our fellow countrymen deserve all the help they can reasonably receive our school district can provide that help to make this difference in everyone's lives we all live between the same borders we all pledge allegiance to the red white and blue

005and we all watch the fireworks in July when you look around America and notice gas has reached $8 per gallon you have to wonder what if we all just bought American thank you you our next guest is um Jennifer gler and I have your address here so you don't have to do it out loud okay great thank you um I usually prepare something when I come here but I didn't today because I I feel like I can speak from the heart um and it won't change the situation at all me what I'm going to say won't change anything um but I hope that the impact that it has is that it will make people think about the impact of things that they say publicly um the comment that I'm referencing is earlier this week superintendent

006file was um on Be Our Guest on WT and made a comment regarding that there are no free lunches there's no such thing as a free lunch and while we as adults all know that um children don't understand that children don't pay taxes and children ultimately are the ones being stigmatized when their lunch tray is being taken from them and they're being given a bag lunch symbolizing the fact that they cannot afford food a very basic need which most of us learned about maso's hierarchy of needs in high school psychology class so bottom of your pyramid's not met you're not going to advance I wanted to tell a story because I feel like that's a really impactful way to help people understand the impact of their language my father in the early 1980s was a

007proud ship Builder like an actual ship Builder and by no fault of his own he was laid off and lost his job and our family was forced to go on public assistance this was in the days where you had stamps you didn't have the discret debit card that we now know today and at three and four years old uh my family would get up at 2:00 in the morning to go to the next town over to the 24-hour grocery store so that we did not have to be seen using food stamps because there's a stigma apparently with being hungry during that same period of time my father and local church leaders and other individuals helped form the two rivers ecumenical Pantry which is still in operation today in 2023 he did this while we were

008on welfare another experience that I can speak from is I worked at Lincoln High School for five years and I can tell you with 100% certainty that there was not one single day that went by that a hungry child did not come to my office and I at the time being somebody who made less than $2 an hour was providing snacks out of my own money to help feed kids granola bars or have a bottle of water or whatever I could muster up to brain because they didn't have food I can't tell you how I felt at three or four years old being on public assistance because I quite frankly don't remember what I can tell you is that today I'm standing here in front of you as a successful college educated professional because somebody

009somewhere along the way thought that it was a good thing that I ate so I guess my whole point is that while this me saying any of this doesn't change the fact that you refused funding that was available so that children didn't have to be stigmatized for being poor a choice they didn't make you can maybe understand the impact of your language on a public radio program and understand how that makes people in our community feel I'm a lifelong resident of this area and I care very deeply about the people here and it's very insulting that someone from the outside would come here and make such crude statements especially someone who is supposed to be a leader in a school district that serves children so please take some time to think before you speak thank

010you you Jennifer and um our next guest is Don Erman and Don I have your address here as well so you don't good evening I've been speaking out about my concerns regarding age inappropriate reading materials in the public library for over two years basically to Def ears I'm sure Mr AEL the library board president might remember my efforts for reconsidering to move some of the books to the adult section I even tried to appeal to the library board's decision when they wouldn't allow me to appeal that now it's come to my attention that some of the same books are in our schools libraries I am curious who and how the decision was made to add these books to the school's library do the Librarians and teachers use their own discretion do they use the guidance

011of the manitto public library regarding what they choose do they use reference resources like the manat public library such as quick piics for reluctant young adult readers even some of the book titles should also cause a second look do the students request do the parents request example the haters this book is rated by booklook dorg as a four on a 1 to5 scale this organization actually rates the contents for appropriates appropriateness some expert excerpts from the book it was definitely my boner no one was awake to stare and discust that the lurchy jailbreak of my sleep boner I still had the boner masturbated in a Brisk business-like manner into the sink with a wholetail conditioner let's skip a little further along and I might use a different word than what they have the moment she

012put me inside her I came I mean the exact moment Puck I said and I curled up around her like a snail and I kept coming about a hundred times and I said Puck Puck Puck Puck until she said shh and pushed me back down into my back and I just lay on top of me and that's how it happened no come on you're with me I wish I was you maybe 10 steps out of my room and then you get stopped right down in the middle of the floor and immediately start pucking another portioned smoke a bowl before the third round of painful pucking can we talk oral sex technique a little you got to slow it down and I mean way down just really simplify what you're doing in general try to make

013circles with your tongue more examples just sit there completely still with your mouth open and hope I would start pucking your face and you wouldn't have to do anything now those are just a few of the pieces from the book the haters so remember we can rate movie attendance by not allowing access and there are many other things we don't allow minors to do then there's gender queer also rated a four by book looks a picture is worth a thousand words okay now this is in Lincoln High School um these are not the classics there are so many more and this is just the tip of the iceberg did you ever hear about Libby or about the Wisconsin Digital Library take a quick trip with me if you would grab your phones put in the

014Wisconsin Digital Library Consortium type in this author's name sweet comma Lisa pick out her book a 365 sex position positions go to the free samples and see what you see no name no age no library card I question if any school access is allowed to those websites considering they're from Wisconsin library so don't hit me up with being a book banner I prefer age appropriate placement practitioner I understand this is out there in plain site and search but I don't believe my taxpayer money should go to any of this I might not had the appropriate degrees but I know what trash is and having it available to impressionable possibly confused innocent Minds is not what I want to pay for the plan of action well I have heard some of this useless material might now

015be looked into which is thumbs up but how many years did it take to get this garbage into our library I'm thankful that this board is trying to repair the manitok school district's issues it's been a long time coming with the plan of action I'm not aware of their current process but possibly the school librarians should await further book additions at this time have new choices be put on a waiting list for reiew and approver first I would hope most book choices wouldn't have to be scrutinized that thoroughly and there are much more appropriate reference resources out there reevaluate the questionable material that is already there reassign it to some adult library for their shelves not our schools fix s is there first before adding any more crap into the mix thank you for your

016time thank you I'm going to let you have the pictures oops you get the dress there's some other examples thanks okay um we are now at our consent agenda and there are um a couple special board meeting minutes on there our bill list um and the Personnel report there's also a designated uh youth options coordinator um I would like to move the designated youth options coordinator um down to under the superintendent's report just because there wasn't um any background information on that at the time um is there anything else that anyone else would like to have removed from the consent agenda yes I'm just wondering if if the issue that we got the email about with the teacher contract is in that Personnel report or is that something we're going to talk about it was

017a teacher contract given at the wrong amount it's in the Personnel report it's in that report that report yes I'd like to pull that off to talk about that okay sure um anything else out of there anyone would like okay so um we are going to also move the Personnel report to um underneath uh the superintendent's report so that would leave our special board minutes from 822 95 and our bill list um 81 to 8:31 do I have a motion and a second to approve those a motion second motion and a second by B okay all those in favor I any opposed okay motion carries okay so under the report of the superintendent we'll go ahead and um do them in order um so the first was the Personnel report um and um Biff uh

018go ahead and ask your question well my question had to do with a English teacher was given a contract at the wrong amount of money sure let me take R yeah let me just take it run so when when I made an offer of employment to this gentleman I made the offer of employment for like 51,8 and he accepted the offer of employment when we sent out the email summary it had 51,8 on it then we made an error and when it came before the board it was at 62,000 something and his contract was submitted given to him at 62,000 so then he called the payroll office and said why is my paycheck less than where I should be so that that's when I got involved um so to make so to make the next

019step I contacted legal Cil talk to Jim he said what are our options he said you can do a contract correction so on the agenda is a contract correction for the original amount that I offered him that he accepted and that was in his email summary 5186 or it says 68 here yeah it says what it says 68 not 86 5168 whatever I'm sorry thank you J make more errors yeah so um so Jim Macy said you do a correct a contract correction so that's what you'll see there so then I I uh I had contacted him verbally but then I followed up after this with a written email indicating everything that I just shared with you indicating that we contacted legal council that we were doing a contract correction and that it would be

020coming to the board tonight in addition I said that for the first 12 12 days that he was under the contract for the larger amount we would honor that for those 12 days but if this passes tonight starting tomorrow his contract is 51,8 68 sorry about 68 and then starting tomorrow for the rest of the year obviously that's what his pay will reflect does that make sense sure what what what did he signed what what what did it say on the contract that he signed uh the 62,000 oh wow yeah so that so the error was the offer of employment was correct the email summary that we sent him was correct then when it came to the board there was an error so the personel report was approved at the incorrect amount higher amount the

021contract was issued at the higher amount and when I became involved like I said I sought out Jim Macy for what are our legal options he said you do a contract correction and that's where we are tonight so so so if we do the contract correction and from this point on pay him less money how how does he still have a contract he signed a piece of paper saying I get 60 something thousand doll if we change that we don't have his signature on a contract saying this is what you're making I mean how how could he still have a contract if we're changing it I'm not saying this is right we could issue a new contract is is what I believe we would end up doing but for the Jim for jimcy the contracts

022an app will contract which means we can make changes to it if we have to I'm going with the legal council's advice I'm going with with what the you know set should and I understand what you're saying I I have a bigger concern that that the contract was wrong in the way it was printed and given to the teacher um yeah I mean it's a contract and and my hope would be those things are doubled and triple checked before we handed to somebody my other concern is you are now I mean we are saying here's a contract and and I hope this gentleman lady understands um it was a mistake and we'll sign a new contract why wouldn't they I mean it sounds I don't knows has anybody talked to them has anybody talked to

023them face to face or has it just been over the phone I talked to him over the phone great and I sent him an email that was laid out right yeah so this doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me it sounds like a pretty big deal sounds like a clerical error was made it's a big deal when you get an email about it really yes well well it kind of worked out in this person's favor right I mean they got paid a little bit more than they accepted and agreed to for 12 I mean to this come on really seems like it's not that big of a deal and it's getting remedied right so what contract law course did you take I mean honestly I just you can't just sort of you

024secretary screwed up and you know put the wrong in I mean if he's got to sign contract he's got to sign contract right I just want to point out that Jim Macy said if he would have said he's got a contract he's got a contract absolutely we'd have to live by that in honor of that when Jim Macy said contract correction and Jim Macy basically said it's an out contract you can do this then it's like we made an error let's correct the error yeah sure I don't know I get that my place I ended up getting paid more for a different job and even if it went a couple months and they caught that they'd come back to me and I'd actually probably end up having to pay that back as well too so

025I mean the fact that we're going to honor that for those 12 days is pretty nice CH I uh you know Mike's conferred this to me when that was identified and what's really important to understand was this individual knew what he was offered and he accepted that verbal offer there was a mistake in confirmation of that with the written contract legal in terms of Mike and I talked about we you know try not to pay any it no he said no it's there until we correct it and so we paid him so he's got a little bit more U but he knew uh and I'm honestly surprised you know but um you know that he recogn surpris with what honestly surpris surprised because there was a clear understanding between the Personnel department and him what

026they the offer was and what he was accepting by the email confirmation of that okay and and I think to to to take that further I I'll take full responsibility in terms of anything that's uh miss you know that rests with me uh you know in terms of procedures and processes but this I believe was um an information understood uh somebody maybe thought that there was an opportunity here to get a little bit more which raises other issues but right now we made an error we corrected the error and we sought legal advice in terms of how we're correcting it I think uh being it done in good faith and you have evidence that the contract was already agreed upon at a certain price that's why Jim Macy is saying this is a contract correction

027so we have evidence of a correction being made I see that being in good faith that there was a mistake and now it's being remedied thank you for paying them paying them extra that makes perfect sense I don't think you're obligated to do that but I think that that's in the purview of the mistake and uh being in a contract correction and there's evidence of Correction because of the previous offers through email and verbal communication I would agree with the the lawyer's assessment saying that it's a correction it's not a full out trying to you know pay him less than what he's obligated to thank you but there are left-handed right-handed lawyers you know I mean you can almost say I mean if he if you said well I I think I want to you

028know I want to I want to contest this I bet he'd find a lawyer that would represent it but uh if you can settle it if you can settle it on a personal and you know civil basis I suppose that's okay I mean if he's but I think it is kind of a big deal and I'm I'm kind of like with with Biff on this that proof reading is probably a pretty good idea on this sort of stuff do we I mean I'm not trying to beat up on you but I I do making a bigger deal do we have a correct action plan to make sure that this doesn't happen again what actually happened was like you you look at the personel report tonight and you look at um professional staff on here and

029then what what HR does is come in and what's the new the new professional staff to be recommended for the next board meeting gradually put them in there well everything you got put in correctly however the salary of the person that was in there the previous two weeks was left in there that's how the a happen that's how the air see so and I apologize for that sorry it happened we're only human in a human I mean accept that responsibility on my shoulders in terms of uh understanding that we've consulted with legal in terms of how to remedy this and so we have an action plan uh and I would just ask you to consider the U action on the item I make a motion to accept the Personnel report second any further discussion all

030those in favor say I I any opposed um okay the other one is and Lee if you could talk about this the design youth options coordinator for us please sure um so annually the board chooses uh well superintendent or their design in this case a design to approve the Early College programming um the law states that it has to be a board approved person designated to do that um in the past years it's always been the Principal at Lincoln High School I got to serve as this person for six years and now it's Mr Hoffman's turn thank you I would need a motion in a second to approve Micah Hoffman um as our uh youth options coordinator all right a double movement here me too CH okay all those in favor say I I any

031opposed okay motion curious okay and then our um District activity update I think just a couple things to to identify you know first of all I would encourage you to to start checking websites like lol High School there's some sporting events you know some of the extracurricular like music and that won't happen until later on where that starts getting into the schedule but there are athletic events already going on we've had about three football games you know so far so really strongly to encourage uh you to attend events and stuff like this and we'll continue to populate that uh we I did share with you last night uh there was an aring of an interview one of our past employees uh had some concerns over success for all and so um you know approached the

032radio station and the radio station or not or the TV station um you wanted to have input from us too uh and so uh that was AED and I shared that with you I thought we did a nice job they interviewed um us for almost 45 minutes they only take out about a minute and a half you know in total so you see what's in there but you know it was you know I'm saying this in part because I couldn't believe uh how the Mastery that Angela Shard has you know who was interviewed as one of our SFA facilitators and who was on the original uh reading uh curriculum committee uh and it was just really nice you know to see that level of Engagement and uh you know you know I I think this

033information is good in terms when it gets out to the public I think everybody means to do well uh but it provided another opportunity and I think we did well on that the other one on U be my guest yeah you're sometimes you know asked and sometimes you know I can anticipate some questions coming in and one of the questions you know was in fact in terms of are we not offering um free lunches I said no we are offering a lunches to to uh those who are eligible for that just like we did in the past uh there's not a stigma in terms of how we provide that uh personally having to been on a family who use food steps a lot I understand all that uh I just would like to clarify you

034know to accept that you also have taxpayers uh listening and others you know who are wondering uh when you take me that isn't needed you're hurting somebody else you know so I I think it was providing some context for people that also know that not only are we taking care of kids who need it uh we're also taking care of our taxpayers by being good uh CCO Stewarts too so just a little clarification there so that's my activities report okay thank you um there's no unfinished business um and can I ask just one question on the food situation sure yeah um Jim when when when an account doesn't have money and they give the kid a sandwich how how do is there a procedure where the family knows that they're going short on funds I

035mean do they let them know couple Angela would be able to address that be you know in terms of what our procedures are here I'm not as familiar with them as Angela there are just automated messages that come out through Infinite Campus uh you know that are generated automatically I think I believe they start when an account gets to be $10 or below and that was standard before we went um before the pandemic and everything so we've essentially turned those back on okay and I share some of this too because there's a lot of projections out that that were at a fiscal cliff you know because of the money that has been given out before and also all that's drying up and people are cutting budgets you know so I I think being good FCO

036stewards is is really important here you know in terms of as we're proceeding but truly recognizing in terms of um the importance of making sure that we are providing you know for those uh um you know you know who might need a little bit extra uh in those ways that is just helpful and nobody really is recognizing that right yeah and I I actually was just looking I got the same I got a little food service balance message so they do send that to you and then you can do it right on there but I I guess that the first week of school was provided by Chartwell right well that's a there was some misinformation that was went out from the schools uh you know there accounts were all charged for meals but we didn't

037do the substitute meal for the first week so that you know we have to make a choice whether and we can change that at any time if we wanted you know the district essentially has to pay for the alternate meal that's given out when there's no food or no money in the account okay so we provided regular meals through the first week because of the transition and the so for the first week the regular meals were I just I'm I'm wanting to know this for myself too because her balance went if it was provided for that she was buying other stuff so yeah there was a through one school specifically that that was messaged out that they paid for it or I mean I mean if we if if they say trews pays for it

038a district pays for it you know like our profits and all of our expenditures are through chwals you know that's uh are through that contract there is you know and I I don't have the depth of understanding here but just a little bit more and actually could help in just um another thing that's happened is we recognize that there's a lot of waste of food a lot of food is being provided and thrown away but we also recognize that this food can be provided to other places uh and so we are you know looking in terms of if there's a possibility where um we can pass us that that stuff on we will make arrangements for that so so again we're looking in terms of making sure that uh we recognize the value of anything

039to the extent that that could be do we are we are attempting to do that instead of just a loss of money and good food correct yeah I I had also heard that and people were inquiring about that because I know that they require them to take a fruit but then at the end then the garbage is filled with all fruit that they didn't eat so if that's the case you know if that's already paid for then that would be a good thing to be able to take and donate to you know uh home shelter Paul's Pantry whatever it may be so that's not being wasted is there is there an easy way when we have kids like this that and there's probably many reasons why an account doesn't have money at different times but

040I'm just wondering I'm looking at the experienced people who ran schools over there that I serve on the Peter Pantry board and we have a a woman who goes in and tries to get names of kids to get food baskets for and I'm just wondering if there's a way to somehow take kids who may need it who may be hungry and at least get it to our counselors that uh you know there are these options within the community to help out I don't think that's a big deal but maybe we could help out that way and help families have places to go if things get tough when we have families in need we really need them to fill out a free and reduced lunch application you know because if they if if they are truly

041in need and then the hard part is there's always people that fit into the gray area you know but there you know everyone is encouraged to fill out that application and in that that application also assists us with uh just funding that we get for title as well I mean there's other there's other pieces and uh our former food service director had noted when we were looking at some of the data for to in in evaluating if we would go for C again or not um the fact that the number of applications that have come in are way way lower while our our free reduced percentages have gone up so that's going to negatively impact some of the funding we receive so uh in in making in part of making this transition we've really really

042driven home and through the communications to family to fill out that free and reduced application so it's it's a hard transition we we would not want anyone to go unfed and we there's very careful uh procedures put in place to make sure that it's not you're not marked a certain way you know like by beam free and reduced launch so I we just really encourage families to take the steps to fill out those applications so on that note is that when they fill out those forms is that a discret process it sounds like or yes so it's not obvious to like the other students like if there's kids in that program yeah no they all get their card whether it's pre reduced or full pay or whatever it's just a card same thing and they

043they f on Infinite Campus right now uh we because we don't have a formal registration process they have to fill it all separately or get a paper application to fill out and then when they fill if they're if they qualify for pre-reduced meals after that point they also can have other fees waved for items like band and orchestra instrument rental um and then also like participating in in sports and just the Athletics so doesn't wave like a yearbook fee you know if you want that's an El item okay yeah I'd like to make that process as painless as possible and as discreet as possible the last thing I want or I think I speak for others but I won't say that no one wants kids to go hungry right and to not be able to

044FOC in school I think to Jim's point you know we can't just uh say hey here's a free launch forever right and just give it to everyone I don't I don't think that's the answer so I think we got to find something in the middle that is going to satisfy the need uh without overextending uh and burdening taxpayers more than they already are speaker Chris sorry yeah I I I just want to say that and I just want to recognize the um outstanding and the compassionate work that is done every day by the office staffs in every building in this District because I guarantee you that every time a parent comes in at the beginning of the year every form that is a way for them to get assistance people are asked do they need

045to fill it out there are clipboards there are pens there are forms everything's ready to go no matter how busy it is in those offices and I've been there and I've seen it they make the time to check with people to make sure people are getting the support and the help that's available to them and I just want to recognize all those people in that hard and thoughtful work that they do piggy back off with your idea we have a mechanism in place that does work and you just complemented them and there actually is letters sent home to their addresses saying that they qualify for free and reduced launch so it's very discreet just so everybody is aware and I know we're trying to make a big deew out of this which it can be

046however I do want to say your point Tony you said that you can't just get free lunches out either well we did do that and I would ask that I would ask Mr tennis because you're the principal Lincoln because I got reports saying that there was a lot of wasteful um people taking extra l and they were throwing them in the garbage from staff this is last year and the year before so there is abuse on both sides of it so what I'm saying is that yes we want to make sure everybody's taken care of which we all articulated very PCY to be correct at the same time we need to be mindful that we're not wasting food and we're not just giving everybody entitlements because that's what it happens so I'm completely understanding of

047what Jenny says I completely understand what you say and I completely understand what I came from but there is a reality of when we give people free stuff too long they become dependent on it as well so let's just understand that you know there there is a mechanism and there are people that are working very good at that right now and if there is a problem please continue to bring it up to the board or to the district supervisor so that we can remedy it but I don't know what the the the problem is right now well and what I would ask is is that um you know if there is uh you know because I know too that there's a a process as well as Biff said too about um you know counselors and

048others teachers in the building recognizing when a student might be in need and to get them those extra resources so I would just ask that um you know if any of the board members feel like you don't know what the process is and our school you know just reach out um and we can let you know because I'm I'm you know almost positive it goes Way Beyond food right to get um other services and things that are needed out in the community um because we have all those relationships and connection s um with a lot of the service organizations in the community be able to provide that be it clothing be it lots of different things so um you know I'm confident as well that we are doing that um in our district um but

049you know reach out and if if because I think it might be an educational thing for us um that we may not know yeah I I I really appreciate this this this discussion uh because I find myself sometimes you know and it's showed up here a few times where something is happening and I hear it very indirectly and then then I get an email and and somebody wants me to explain why that's happening which I didn't know was happening and I have no details I have no knowledge I mean a lot of stuff a lot of stuff on this one has been you know being helpfully provided to people that don't know like me uh so uh and yet have a kind of a responsibility to to to respond to citizens who email me or

050call me on the phone so I you know I guess we can't we can't catch everything but I think this is this is a really benefit yeah and I would one of the things that um I noticed um you know that I've noticed since being on here uh on the board is a lot of times I find that myself I even react to something but I don't even know what we're doing first yeah right right so so I think that you know when those things come up I found myself going okay well why don't I step back for a second and find out what do we do in this situation you know and reach out to people that have those answers and then you know if it's if it's confusing to me or I have

051a different idea or we think we need to do something different you know by all means let's bring it here and figure out what we can do but yeah I think I think that you know one thing that you know I've heard us all say around this table me we really do we have a lot of opportunities um we we offered a lot of things to our kids I mean these taught me that over and over um and it's about making those connections with people to get those so um but you know let's if you ever questioning it seems sort of a scratching your head about why wouldn't we do this you know just reach out to to people um you know in in that have those answers yep uh Angela or Jim do you

052know do we have any mechanism I've heard anecdotally uh from members in the community that they maybe some parents that for whatever reason just don't fill out the forms or just aren't responsive is there any mechanism for kids you know maybe that might or maybe there's a language barrier or whatever the case may be right they're just not filling the forms out do we have a mechanism to ensure that those kids get help would that be the guidance counselors then or how would I I you know this is probably pretty complex regarding the the the support network that's in place because I think there's vared people that will get involved um you know into this to you know to provide you know as much of an assurance you know in terms of that everybody's taken

053care of that needs to be um you know it's difficult in terms of how how far do you go in you know for a particular case that that could get missed um you know but right now I think we got good measures in place you know to do that screening to to ass yeah and I would say you know I mean again the school that you are over I would go and ask them what they do because I can guarantee you that even with the language barrier there are people in the school that are acknowledging that noticing that there's an issue and then reaching out so it's it's happening you know we we is it perfect and we never miss anybody probably not but but there are the resources are there and they're um and

054I I just I mean you guys have all worked in the school I mean I just it is immense of what we try to do when we notice something so I would I think one of the things that might help is go to your school and just say hey what do you guys do in a situation like this and I think you'd be pleasantly surprised to hear you know the lengths that we go um you know to help these students out as much as we can I think we have the I think we have the support system I think all of that stuff has bred in place but I think a lot of times where people fall through the cracks is is maybe not me per se because I I I'm managing but you know

055there's a lot of people out there that don't qualify for that free and reduced and and I'd be one of them and I can't tell you there's been plenty of times where I've been like Lea try not to buy so many you know things you know I would wait till next week and I'll put some more money in account whatever it may be there's got to be other families out there like me are and maybe even less fortunate that are just struggling because now we got to pay for that as well too it's just another bill on top of everything else that's piling up and this just the time in the economy that it hit us the hardest that's one of the reasons why I voted against going for this but you know hey that's

056what we got to do and and anyone that qualifies for food share benefits uh just through the state uh we get their uh qualification for free introduced lunch for free lunches through a a direct SE process and Pam cret uh in in the Food Service Office runs that daily at this time of the year so so there are C layers it's not like every single person has to apply but if you do not qualify for that direct SE then you have to do an application so and we've sent out a ton of messaging regarding that as well and we can we can push out another communication as well well I appreciate everyone's heart on this because I think it's important and um you know again if any other questions come up um you know please

057reach out to our staff about that ju Just you know a couple things back in terms of that return uh um when the federal government or state is intending to help you know sometimes they haven't taken care of issues that are also priorities you know we have an unfunded mandate with special education our special needs students really need a lot of that resource in the state and the federal government can find a way to meet that demand and yet they keep offering services and they sending out so that's why it's important that we're all part of that the second thing and I think Stacy was just referencing it please don't try to problem solve when you can call an administrator U you know call me call anybody we will fall we'll get back with you

058as well as the individual um you know because Stacy just uh brought something to my attention you know almost immediately i' had already been researching it uh it was a fairly new thing but we are able to make sure that uh we're working together here so that we don't make it harder on anybody to serve our our parents my last comment is actually for Matthew spal but it's pretty much saying that um what happens we don't want to take away from the individual respons responsibility of the students either because what ends up happening which I know a firsthand example of is a student wants to be you know cool with their friends so you put $300 on their account but then your daughter or my son spys everybody you know sodas or Cheetos or so

059then $300 turns into $3 really quick and you're like well well honey you you don't drink 10 12 sodas a time and you're like but yeah but my friends really wanted to be cool and I wanted to be cool for them so that happens a lot and that that's where we can't be trying to fix everything for everybody else that's that personal responsibility that that comes with coming of age and I we we can't just try to PR solve everything for every student and their parents that this is what growing is and so I think that we can't we can't just try to micromanage everything saying that we're going to fix everything for everybody that's coming of age and that's how students develop and learn to understand their personal responsibility of managing their money and

060if we just keep on putting money into account and they mismanage it what's going to happen when they buy a house or a car or other things so will you help will you help Matt with that then later sure um okay let's move on to our policy review um we have a first reading um policy 5111 this was the eligibility eligibility of Resident non-resident students um and I'm just gonna to make this easier um I'm just going to kind of go around the room and see if this you know to make it a little easier Chris was there anything on this document that you wanted to discuss or change at all no I have one generic request yes and that is the last time we had a policy review We delightfully received a Redline Master

061which show talk about that really helps me frame it right we talk we talked about this last time here's the problem the problem is is that these um where where were at the the ones that we have currently now and the ones that we're getting are two separate may have been another revision okay all right and so what we talked about last time was taking these as is as if they were brand new and saying um because otherwise we would have to redline in something that doesn't make sense to another one that hopefully will make sense so yeah agreed that that uh the red line would be great but what we wanted what we decided to do is we're going to look at these as if this is our first one almost and is is

062this what we want or we feel like we're missing something sure okay okay no otherwise nothing okay anything on this is the busing one right this is this is this is what this is not the busing one yet 5111 this is 5111 okay then I'm good on this one okay my only one was on um letter D what I wondered about letter D was um it's it says upon request of a student's parent or the request of an adult student students have uh gained a 12th grade status and who are no longer reside within the district shall be permitted to complete their high school education tuition free my question on this was is there an age limit or should there be an age limit or can anybody yeah legally it's 21 right state law is

063the 20 law is 21 so okay so even though it says adult student that was still justed implied to 21 yeah so just as an example as a practice at Lincoln High School if there was someone who let's say would have been a 19-year-old fifth year senior yeah what we do is the we have really another program for that we wouldn't really enroll them as a full-time student in the school per se and have them you know come and interact necessarily we would have them finish up over the summer or there are other options for them to go on perhaps in like an HSC type sure or whatever but yeah we would typically as a practice not we're not we're not having a 21y old come to school okay so and and and a 21

064year old or let's say let's even go a little further the statute if they're 22 23 can they come and Lobby and say hey I I was at my 12th grade and can I just come in and do it underneath here without having a an age yeah we would deny that okay okay want Billy Madison okay that was my only question um about that one uh Matthew spaly anything on 5111 no Tony good okay no I'm fine okay Matthew okay all right so um we have the first read done on that one and and we'll see it next time for a second read um the next one is 5113 this is the Open Enrollment program um uh inner district and this is the this one is the one that had the bus one um so

065um I will start with Chris again anything I'm good yeah just wondering if we came up with a idea and that we talked about with I think it was valers last a memo on the memo that accompanies these um the other option that we created to sort of match what I think the board request was is written in the memo and it reads the board delegates to the district administrator the authority to determine whether or not a neighboring District can bus resident students within our boundaries for attendance resident neighboring District good oh okay that's good so if you'd like to make that you know you just can amend that into the a policy because it's not one of the chosen options so we would have to like put that in and so I would um

066let's let's hang on to that one second and then we'll go around and then um we'll address that okay I have nothing for that when um oh the only thing I wanted to ask about and this is sort of more of a procedural on what we do um is I know in January we talk about special ed um what uh what do I want to say the space right when we're we're out of space do we also do that or are we supposed to do that I guess for regular Ed as well because I don't know that I've ever seen that but in the policy it says during a January the board shall establish ability Space by turning the number of regular education and special ed SPAC spaces so I'm just wondering if we should

067do that on a regular basis no matter what we do we do um so for example if I were the principal of Lincoln High School um and there was a student enrolling from let's say two rivers I would get a phone call or okay the the Amber in the business office would be saying basically the question is do you have room for this student got it yeah yeah we do do that not set limits for General head we just set them officially for special head but we always do go through that process what do you think that when it says the board shall establish the availability like are we doing something at that point or so like you know while we always talk to the principles we don't the board does not establish you only

068establish for the special education in some districts where they are bursting at the seams where they have I mean a problem we've love to have where we have tons of open enrollment in uh districts will set limits so that they can sort of manage the the mass of requests okay do you think that needs I mean I guess I'm asking everyone here do you think that needs to be change since we're not doing that or leave it in there in the case that we would ever have to do it it just leave it there okay okay Matthew spaly oh I had nothing but he was about to talk to oh did you want to ask something here the procedure thing could we see how it says in in board book it says first reading pre

069uh policy revisions is there we can say where the second reading is because I don't see that maybe I'm not seen it next time it w't yeah it won't be here till next time at the special meeting we didn't do those were intr these were just introduced he just introduced those were the ones that were introduced so we're going to I wanted to get policy done sooner so we keep moving forward I thought we were already on yeah they introduce them then we have a first reading then we have a second read then we have but now they'll be stacked up so you'll be getting something done at the end of the next meeting you'll have accomplished something and then you'll accomplish something every meeting y so I just wanted to see a second reading

070and then it would be the policies that are under the second reading which be next yep Tony did you have anything on that policy I'm good okay me too okay okay so then um I would ask that um oh I know the only other thing was and I asked Lee about this but does anyone I asked him about the pros and the cons of a waiting list and again I know we're not there yet we'd hope to be someday um and we did not check that option is there anybody that feels you know I'm just sort of middle of the road do you think that we should have the option of a waiting list or just not do that at this time and wait till can always address it if it comes up yeah that's

071right all right um so then the only thing would be is um that we would add in that um option uh under the the language the board delegates to The District administration for authority to determine whether or not a negotiating District um the one that was um in the memo so we would add that um and um to amend the policy um so is that okay with everybody and then at the second reading that will be in there and before we vote on it finally okay perfect okay and then um this would be 13.01 we need to make a motion for that or can I just I think I don't think you have to do it for the first reading I think it'll be in there and then the final one we'll we'll just vote

072on the final one if there any changes that need to be made um Chris anything on 511 3.01 no part-time open no Biff nothing I have nothing as well Tony no car okay all right and then we have 5200.01 this was our full-time student anything um Chris if I'm good good anybody I'm good no Tony okay all right so that ends our first read of all those Poli so for our second read next time and then we do have um the new ones that are going to be introduced yeah yeah so we be introducing uh four new policies so that the next time these will enter into the first reading and um Heidi if you could do the first two and then Katie will do the second two thank you okay so the first one

073is 22 60.02 and that's services for bilingual students English Learners um and this is really meeting expectations that we have to do for um the government for the um s so we have English Lang language program here we don't have the bilingual program and then they're asking really for us to say who's going to be responsible um and when we went through this we looked at the district was some was the language that we had used in the past on these forms um where we add this first section and then um and then also just kind of saying who is going to be responsible at central office 4 um and it will be the El coordinator that will be reporting assessment to the DPI making sure that we're following all the processes for students when

074they come in and they're screened um so this is really about all of the processes that we're following to ensure we're providing adequate services to our El students okay and um the next one uh 2261 is our Title One services this is very similar um our Title One services are provided actually we have um opportunities across the district entitled one um and again this is we didn't change anything and there's nothing to mark on this this is very very much what we've had in the past excellent hey Katie um the first policy that I'd like to overview is our programs for students with disabilities policy number 2460 um this policy just ensures that our district um is um um compatible with federal and state law we ensuring free and appropriate public education for students with

075disabilities from Age 3 to 21 um it just requires or recommends through this policy that we adopt a handbook um annually it's not necessarily a handbook but it's it's a recommendation that we adapt the state procedures um any sort of forms updates for documentation and iets um any sort of updates legally at the state state level or any federal level um that we would bring forth those procedures from the state of Wisconsin to adopt um as a board and that could be something that we could do at the January meeting um when we're establishing our our spaces for special education but that would be the recommendation for this initial program and the only thing that would be different from our original um that our policy that's currently in place and the second policy is the

076use of physical um seclusion and physical restraint with students so this is another annual report that's required um this typically occurs in August if you remember um this again is in compliance with state and federal law it's very you know this is a very legal um policy in nature um if you notice on the second page there's a recommendation um that just says we will be following what the state requires as far as what is included in our written notification to families in the event that their student would be a participant in um any use of seclusion or physical [Music] restraint excellent so um you know those are in board book um so uh we will do a first reading of those so we'll just kind of follow the same procedure of going through those

077um next time around the table and see if there are any changes um and then we'll also have those available yeah just a point of clarification you know we fol know it's kind of given us templates in terms of follow choices to follow that doesn't stop you from adding your own language but when we start doing that we just have to know that we're responsible for it they aren't going to give us a prompt necessarily so that will be important when we go back through the second cycle you know when we've already gone through all and bring ourselves current we will have those flag to say this one went off template you know we added more just so that we will know carefully to uh compare what we added before because there would reflect a

078conversation that you had that was different than when niola was proposing okay Perfect all right so let's move on to our uh preliminary budget can so yes we have the drafted the preliminary budget to share with you this evening it was in included in board book and uh you know there's a lot of information I I included the detail not as a I put that as optional because some people like to see the detail of it and want to see um all of that but of course that's a way more information than most of you really want and and are able to digest for information uh there are still quite a few factors in Balance uh that we need to understand and the count takes place this Friday we have Aid final Aid certification and

079uh so those things really are are large factors that still will will impact our budget and our our tax levy for uh for the district so um in general for the the revenue budget for all the funds uh it increased 2.7% for this year up to $92 million and uh and then for the expenditures uh there was a a 4.6% change keep in mind uh this is all funds so while be like wow that's a a little bit of a difference there's fund 50 Food Service Fund in there there are some implications with that so um just just to keep that in mind this is all basically the total operations of the manat public school district so uh one of the largest uh you know impacts this years with the B and budget we uh

080we are a low Revenue cealing District so we go up to 11,000 per student and uh the next year and years after uh hundreds of years uh be in fruition you know 325 per year so uh but the major shift for us is that you know we used a significant amount of our eser funding last year to balance the budget and then that is not available anymore as it is one-time Revenue uh we have still have some of it left for this budget that we're using approxim $800,000 uh and then we have just the the shift with the operational referendum uh funds coming into play uh in addition with the the state budget as a whole there was also increased expense for uh for voucher so uh you know all all variables uh in the

081balance uh you know that that made expenditures come up compared to the um revenue or the referendum projections come come up a little bit more in some cases um overall you know I was able to share even though some of these factors are coming in higher the items that we have just within our general expenditures are are lower and within what we requested for the referendum so that was uh that's just an important uh note to keep in mind uh I'm going to skip down a little bit and we're going to come back to the revenue limit portions um after that but just for the fun budget uh that is increasing uh uh the 2.7% overall and the expenditures 3.6% so the total revenues and expenditures are $74 million as proposed in the draft budget

082uh there is a a a deficit budgeted for and for two reasons we have common School funds that are left that we need to take care of and so since we've already already received that funding we need to take care of that through uh you know pulling that out of fund balance so that's why you would have a deficit budget also we've received funds for the get kids ahead program and that is to support families students uh uh with mental health programming and in that we we've received those funds but we've not put them into action so that I've reflected in uh the deficit so those two parts that's why there's a deficit propos for our budget for those um two items so uh I me I mentioned already with Federal revenues uh and falling

083off and being greatly reduced that does in overall it increases what we need to bring in for our local tax levy um I did include some information about the comparisons side by side uh and and I'm happy to answer questions for that uh just with the fund 20 I'm going to move on to fund 27 budget and just give a little bit of a snip on snippet of information on each of the funds uh special education fund is uh is increased uh a little bit more we are we are required and required to always balance fund 27 which is our special education fund with general fund 10 um funds so um you know there are always many factors that go into this uh you know there was an increase in the transfer for special education

084and one thing one like the main areas that we saw an increase where in the special education fund were uh mainly for um Staffing and benefits and uh you know there's always going to be the in like there's heavy amounts of transportation for special education so that is also an impact in the fund uh and the transfer talks about that so this year where transfer was 7.9 million it is projected to be up to 9.7 this year so that is um uh that is why that uh increase exists at that level uh fund 21 uh that are that's our special projects funds that's mainly our like our fundraisers okay so we uh I'll have that as I can present in the full final budget but that's really not something that impacts our Levy and our

085general expenditures as a district it's all usually what I revenue for that is the interest that we know we will earn and the expenditures are all based on the activity that the groups that run those accounts decide uh for fun 38 this is great news we have paid off all of our debts as a school district so we are we are debt free it's actually kind of uncommon for a school district but uh you know the removing this part from our budget allowed us to lessen the amount that we needed to uh like increase our lobby for example because we're able to use that million dollars that we would use as a payment annually to offset increased expenses so that is that is uh one of the major things so I included fund 38 for

086that reason but really we won't be paying anything for Debt Service this year because we are debt free uh of have a little more note uh for fund 46 long-term Capital Improvements trust uh there are there a little bit of an increase in uh in in revenues there because through the referendum we have a planned trans for moving forward so overall in the fund 10 budget and with this transfer to fund 46 uh we put several things into motion uh to just strategically plan for our budget uh increased amount for curriculum and instruction uh technology devices Capital uh improvements for technology and buildings and grounds so every year we are moving $400,000 into fund 46 as a as a for a reserve for when we have larger uh improve or improvements that we need to

087make for technology so as as an example we're making a transfer over there this year for $400,000 we already have a quote that to update our phone systems is going to cost $380,000 next year so you know there's always large major updates and strategically positioning ourselves and planning ahead through these uh through these approaches help us uh continue operations and continue making just general improvements in the district uh without uh cutting a lot from one area in order to make a major improvement with the expenditures noted for fund 46 I had listed uh four major projects so uh wired and wireless Capital technology upgrades are already in process with uh funds that are in in with money that's in that fund uh we currently have about two .5 million in that fund and those uh

088purchases were already planned uh other identified needs uh the Jefferson playground project which is also done as being paid for out of fund 46 the JFK indoor track replacement that is another need that's been identified and then uh critical elevator upgrades at Lincoln Washington and Wilson I'm suggesting that we use fund 46 funds for um initially the elevator upgrades were put into the the general fund 10 uh and what we're thinking to is um just making you know we can we can pay for those out of funds 46 or 10 did that playground really cost $579,000 right originally the the estimates were in the $300,000 range I'm not sure right now where the projects come in according to budgets I don't know if we you know I think it's coming under budget but we I

089don't have that right here in front of me right now but I'm remembering a lot smaller number from last year well remember we kind of prolonged it and we were hoping to get some different uh quotes and then it ended up just going up so we decided to jump on it 579 yeah we made we I mean gold swing sets or what are they got well part of the problem is a small project nobody wanted I so they just bit it up and we needed it you know and essentially that that falls back us cuz we could have jumped on it when it was lower price yeah I mean we originally the estimate was about half of this yeah and then we we put it out for bids and holy man they blew the lid

090off we thought yeah so we we postponed and said well let's wait until the economy kind of like picks up a bit and Supply chains are better etc etc and and put the bids out in the spring before you know we put the bids out at a not as as appropriated time the first time and so we thought we did everything right and and it still came in higher than the even the last B so yeah I was shocked by that too but you know it was one of those and we really we really needed we really needed that especially at that school Angel and then lastly with fun 50 before we go back to the revenue of information um uh fund 50 food service we have a a million doll uh fund balance right

091now currently and uh we are required to work to bring that down uh there are a lot of unknowns with going back to the reduced free reduced paid format so uh the budgets made on best estimates at this time uh and so you know there is a significant uh loss in revenues due to to the changing the format and not going uh C and then the the expenditures are uh slightly more due to the additional cost that's anticipated so uh you know I anticipate that with fund 50 especially we're going to have a lot more that you know just hard to predict right now so we don't know where that's going to sit so so going back to the I can take maybe I should pause for question questions I'm sorry this a lot of

092talking so um in general with the revenue limit worksheet that Revenue limit provides our main primary source of of Revenue through state aid and local tax Lobby and uh you know I asked Mike to come in and and work with us a little bit tonight and discuss some of the um fact what we have going on uh and I'm going to turn it over you know I mean at first before I do that I'll just say like the reported requested last time that I provide three scenarios which I did do that uh the goal was to be as close to through the budgeting process uh to keep in mind that $626 would be the equivalent to what we went to the taxpayers with of course with additional expenditures you know uh from the from the

093state that are mandated some of that came in a little bit higher so the you know the the the budgeted amount for the tax levy right now not taking into any other considerations is $641 for the year so uh we'll talk more about that can I ask you a quick question does that mean that we're we're higher than we we told the public slightly higher correct yeah and and you're kind of in a unique situation having passed a referendum prior to the budget and and no one foresaw the L Revenue one seeing going up to 11,000 um so it does put you in a situation where you can you have some flexibility in terms of your lby this is this goes back to the 1980s the last time districts could do that so um but

094it does bring up that that dilemma of you know expectations of of the residents and what the district's able to do there's there's a couple coule reasons couple factors that wanted to emphasize that causing it to be a little above you know this amount balances the budget but there's some expenditures mainly the vouchers being the biggest on that's anticipated to go up and the other thing that's happening is as was mentioned earlier the revenue limit is made up of two parts your ly and your Aid right now based on our estimates because of I think the best available um the unique things happening in the a formula is that there's the three tiers and I want to war you but the the the guarantee that was put in back in the early 90s of of

095$1,930 th000 was put in place a guarantee in terms of valuation per student and that was an effort to get higher value per member school districts some state aid the problem is that as of now that number hasn't been adjusted the secondary guarantees we're projecting to actually be above that number so it's filtering out some Aid to districts that in normal years maybe not receive as much and the Pod is fixed so if others are receiving more others are receiving less and that's part of your case so that that equation of your Revenue limits made up of tax uh limits made up taxes in state aid if the state aid goes down your taxes go up so that's one of the reasons why um the levy to kind of balance the budget and that final

096tax rate it's coming a little bit higher than was projected is it possible there's some adjustments made in the aid formula um to kind of adjust that it's possible but we haven't heard anything at this point and we're you know a month away from getting Aid certification so um the other thing is it's just hard to estimate the aid right now because of the the financial um collection of financial data from school districts around the state is a struggle yeah it's not perfect they're like U there's a lot of districts that you know they can't load their information and so we're not dealing with as good of information as we we would have right now um so we do anticipate that number to change it'll go higher lower you know we don't we don't know

097so that I think the important thing for tonight is is to understand that you know the district does have some Levy flexibility and how you choose to do it or what your priorities are in terms of establishing that amount you ultimately Levy next month is important so 731 is the max we can do right can you say that again 731 is the max right for the the mill rate is that if we were to use if you were to want to use your Revenue limit Authority based on all the estimates that I have in there right now that's what the mill rate would end up being uh so and 641 is the low end right correct yeah if we did 626 we couldn't do that because that just wouldn't be enough that if we did

098626 right that's to that's what you guys the the board could decide to take some out of fund balance too I mean that that is you know the amount that it would take to get down to there I don't have that number right on hand but I mean that's something that you know that could be done to lower it further uh you know but that's you know you want to keep your fund balance and we have a healthy fund balance right now so you want to be very careful with taking those Liberties I could appreciate that I I think we should I just want to understand all the options and it it sounds to me like the lowest option we have now is still more than what we told the public back in April right

099just if I'm hearing you right so I I got to at least see what the option was to to do what we told them we would do before we you know what I mean unless you guys are saying that we we can't function unless we do 641 no she's just saying that we would take it from somewhere else the fund balance yeah how much is the fund you don't know that you said well our fund balance is in in the $20 million range right now in the in the scenarios let me see here we have I think so right now uh the the prior year estimate of the ending and this is just uh you know audit stuff is pretty much finished up but it's not final it's $2.6 million and already we'd be going

100down to 20.3 uh million dollar we really would need to stay within the1 1819 million range in order to sustain our operations throughout the course of the year just because you have high high points and low points as an example right now in our fund balance we have uh our bank balance is about $10 million so we could sustain about two months of of payments and stuff right now but you've got to be careful that you don't get that to be too low uh how much would we have to take out of that balance to get to the original yeah uh you know and I it would be approximately I'm trying to think here I don't have that figure ready readily available maybe not exactly could you could you estimate I just it probably be

101about one $1.5 million less I would say total I can figure it out pretty quickly we'd still be above the 18 I know I open up document I can get that for quickly oh I don't know back in the old days um the university always sort of like tried to tried to keep it down but you know they would get the whole they would get the whole budget you know they'd get the whole the whole lump sum throw it in the bank and then live off the interest you know I mean just the interest would would generate and it would it would make up for some of the stuff that they they hadn't put in you know but ask for money interest rates are are high now are we are we benefiting from that we

102are we've made about uh like we a year ago we were paying fees on on our um on our on what we were making uh right at the bank like $1,000 a month now we made $300,000 over this year okay so uh let me I can get this for you in a second I'm going to just go into here we would be at about between 750 and $500,000 off of the in a deficit to meet uh like to to be like seven or $620 for example if we did 700,000 so it' be 750,000 to 500 how much in Bucks do we have to do to to meet the how much in Bucks do we have to like take out of this budget proposal 7. 7.21 in order to in order in order to take it

103down to where Tony wants to go well the $720 estimate for the mill rate was based on originally you know the initial revenue or the referendum projections but then with the equalized value increasing to 14 point uh 14% that that means that the new equivalent to that was $626 so uh so that's where that's where the change comes in and so you you know that you know it just changes the the way the the levy is is spread out across the property value so if you wanted to lower your get to that is roughly know 600 plus to minus 50,000 because keep in mind that we we're using estimated valuation estimated Aid so could fluctuate but again philosophically if that's what you want to do you'd probably be in that 5007 are we see less

104than a million yes 5 700,000 so see the issue with that would would it be fair am I thinking about this the wrong way but would it be fair to assume that if things hadn't changed with equalized value that we would we be in this would we have enough money with that referendum to operate or would we have to come up with another half million 750 Grand to I well that that's challenging to answer because the the V it would depend upon if the vouchers would have increased you know the vouchers is the piece where it's we serve as a pass through uh for the state to collect that money for private schools well the the the referendum would give you additional 5.2 million the the the assumptions were $200 a student and the number

105came in at 320 and then you get the low Revenue limit which was additional 611 so um the from the so of the revenue side you you're you would be okay based on those assumptions if you didn't if say they didn't go up to 11,000 the assumptions used in the referendum would have provided enough funds for operations what's happening is on the levy side is that the the state aid is coming in lower because we're estimating about $500,000 due to that kind of shift in those guarantees between the primary and secondary and then also your voucher payment is gone up which you know how you how you consider that in terms of your operation whether that's this the state program and that's the net result so really that was an increase of 750 am I

106correct 750,000 yeah so so districts look at it differently some districts say we're just going to we're just going to pass along because that's the way the process works in your case if you wanted to balance get back to that tax rate you would be using fund balance to kind of make up for that now the district will get more Aid on that expense next year but it is the timing of those types of things get a little awkward so but again the referendum would have provided enough funds for operations but it's really coming down to that Levy side of the equation that things are a little bit off resulting in a little bit higher tax rate yeah I I guess just to add to that I just want to make sure that we're when

107we're putting budgets together and forecasting that we're not too Rosy in our assumptions or wildely off you know there's nothing worse than saying hey it's going to be this and then oh hey by the way I was off by like a half million bucks or that's you know if I try to do that to one of my customers they're typically not too happy with me so try to be a little bit more uh and again maybe it was unavoidable right I'm just I'm not saying that no again the reason you're sitting the factors are causing the issue are no one anticipated having the additional Revenue available moving up to the 11,000 I mean there was yeah right nobody thanks to 20 had anticipated that so the district has more Levy Authority granted between combination of

108the state budget in the referendum yeah but at the time you went to referendum you had to make make some assumptions and I think 200 some people might even argue might have been little aggressive but it really ended up being conservative uh and then there's and then there's those expenditures that the voucher which again whether you how you want to classify that if that's a district operational expenditure or a state program expenditure and then the loss of state aid which fluctuates every year and that's hard to anticipate because one the estimates DPI is given out aren't accurate because some districts whose expenses weren't included um but that fluctuates every year and that's always an unknown so you know I think from a from a projection standpoint the district did from terms of its operational expenditures

109did did a nice job and some of those other factors that are causing this this situation really kind of unlucky well lucky and unlucky in some ways some some of the state budget worked in your favor others didn't Angela did did you produce this whole document this first one the um the memo that you have or just what we're going over right now the the scenarios that you have yes so thank you it's very good I actually enjoyed reading it it was very concise and clear so thank you for that what I do want to kick myself about talking about now is I want to look at this as in a positive manner saying hey we we do have real issues here um going forward um mainly in frun 40 6 so what I'm thinking

110is why don't we try to to instead of trying to you know go in the future and say hey let's ask for a capital Improvement referendum or that kind of thing why don't we take you know scenario one where we're we're kind of close um to where we originally at or where you thought you would land really was a projection it wasn't it wasn't a promise um because there's so many ones so I'm kind of more inclined to say scenario one but I wouldn't be opposed to saying hey why don't we you know we already we are moving more money and we're trying to think forward into Fun 46 but I think we really the biggest thing that that taxpayers say hey if I give you more money what are you going to do with

111it and what are you going to positively change the community with so I I think if we can show our community like projects like Jeff uh Jefferson other things like that or you know JFK those kind of things I think the taxpayers can can understand where that money's going um especially when they when they go into a Teachers Conference and they see an outdated building or they go in the auditorium and they see water coming down so I I just I I I I can wrap myself around and I think our taxpayers can wrap around the idea of hey we need Capital Improvements let's start forcasting and budgeting to that so I I don't want to go on the deep end and say hey let's let's just you know let's just take it to our

112voters now let's go up to the full Revenue limit of 7.3 I like everybody likes to say 7.3 mil right but really you know we could use different terminology and say how much it would go up uh you know so it would be a lot but I don't want to say that I want to say let's start forecast because in one sentence Tony you say that I'm not trying to get on you about it but I'm saying like we need to think about how we're going to solve these problems in the future I think being proactive right now and being truthful and honest about it saying hey this could be a way we could start to address those things which we already are but this is more so that and we can move forward as

113a team so that's my two cents about the scenarios one two and three and I'm very happy how it was presented I know this is just a conversation but it's pretty concise to me I was going to ask if we did scenario one um how would we make the deficit of 267 up 267,000 in scenario for what it's a deficit pull out of fund so that yeah it it essentially when you approve a deficit budget you're saying that you're going to take out of fund balance and the board should always approve any any use of fund balance that is not the authority of myself to take um you know it's just it's always always the board's authorities that would be a one-time thing correct and your fund balance should be reserved for primarily one-time expenditures

114so uh you know where we we earmark the JFK track is a good example that could be a one-time use of fund balance in fund 10 rather than fund 46 so there are some of those things where there could be flexibility in that as well one other question in 2017 2018 we had a um deficit of a million did we take out a fund balance for that yeah you automatically would have okay yeah just way the math works okay just want to make sure who's next oh go ahead um I in my personal opinion I when we first came up with this referendum uh it our point was to get through this and if we didn't need to use it all we would give it back to the community and I I fully stick with

115that if we're even going with scenario one we are pulling out of the fund balance $20 and some thousand in order to get back down to the 626 we'd be pulling out you know up to 750 or whatever and we'd still be above the amount in that balance in order to function and continue to go I personally I understand it's probably not one you'd want to do because I'm going to guess because it's not in any of those three scenarios but I would personally uh like to stick with my commitment and saying you know we're going to take as least amount possible and I would I would want to pull out of that balance to bring it down to 626 if and then Jim I liked what Matt said stand that no and the reason

116everybody likes to increase taxes but we have complained and complained about not being able to raise what we need to take care of the district over the years when they changed the funding formula years ago because we were a district that didn't overspend we got penalized right and and for some reason Madison made a change this year I think Matt's thinking is correct in that if we show why we what we're going to use that money for the community will support you I give tours of the high school all summer long and people love walking through that old building they walked into the auditorium and they saw this beautiful restored Auditorium and the plaster coming off the wall because we didn't fix a roof the windows were put in in the 70s and during snowstorms

117and rainstorms if you get an East Wind the third and second floor classrooms get wet so if we can show that some of that additional is being used to take care of stuff so we don't have to come up with the referendum later on years from now that says we need $100 million to fix our buildings that might be good for our taxpayers the cost of fixing things now is going to be less than it is in five years that playground so I think we have to look at some scenarios that say okay we can go with this and not increase taxes but we're going to take out of the fund balance and I've got to figure that fund balance out because that's a lot different than the county fund Bal balance CU we have

1183 million in ours and I'm not sure why there's such a difference between how a county runting yeah what's your totaling budget you know uh 90 some it's it's it's a lot but we also do things differently we we have debt and I saw tonight that we don't have debt here but the county does because they build roads and buildings and stuff but if we can show what it's being used for and we can start getting some of these things things done we may not have to have that referendum 5 years down the road that says we need $100 million to fix our buildings 60 million wherever it's going to be so I get completely the idea of going to 626 and taking what we need out of the fund balance but I also think

119it's an opportunity if we do this wisely and don't waste it but we fix things we need to fix you made a good point and if if taxpayers know why you're spending the money support it yeah and and that's I I I guess I'd like to see some scenarios when we do this and what I'm really we go it we can't just I mean I I did Angela did say that if we put in fund 10 you can make onetime withdrawals I that's great but I would like a road map more so because when it gets thrown in fund 10 then it just becomes a continuation budget and everything just just gets pulled out of there I don't really as a taxpayer I don't agree with that that's a catchall I mean so that's why

120fund 46 you can show that it's going to to certain projects or or what but I don't like how it fun 10 is a catchall so that that's that's my opinion yeah you know I you know again draw I don't know what the net is of the assumptions that were made some of are working for us and some of are working against the one that worked against us because we weren't expecting an additional $750,000 of voucher payments even though that money is coming it's presented as an expense to our taxpayers that means that $750,000 isn't being spent on us it's just going out the door I mean so just but again I don't know what the net is of all those exchanges but that in itself but we do also know in terms of what

121we've been identified as we do know that we Havey needs that have accumulated and we're wanting to make sure we have a even a better analysis of that with what we're doing this year uh so so I kind of along with Biff and and Matt you know in terms of um you know be careful you don't cut yourself short here in terms of your need and then create a situation where you're trying to explain we can make a I mean we can do what Biff and and and fips want and I I I agree with that and we have a perfectly good explanation as to number one why we why we can't come in at what we promised I mean it was UN unexpected it was a you know it was something that we didn't

122anticipate and I would like to like you know put the put the blame on the vouchers uh partly for you know my own ideological reasons so um so anyway uh we knew that was but anyway I don't I don't think I don't think we've deceived anyone here and I and I think that um it's not that big a lift I mean if I you know if I were out of work and had to pay my taxes and you know I i' i' I'd be crying but but for the most part it's not that big a left and I think the the reasons why we do this I honestly the you know you just have to take some pictures put them in the newspaper and say we got to fix this stuff folks you know Tony

123I think everyone's bringing up some really good points and I think this is some really good discussion and you know I'm just I just keep thinking back to you know we we asked for we got an extra $5 million this year right and so let me finish and so Jim just brought up a good point though and maybe I'm just thinking about this wrong way is the net right so ultimately that's really what matters is the net impact and and maybe I'm just missing it uh in in this presentation and I apologize if I am but the net impact to taxpayers when you factor in all the changes that are outside of our control right that's really what I want to understand and if I'm hearing you guys right tonight in this presentation the net

124impact is if we were going to go back and it's G to it's going to be more than we thought it was or or is is the net going to be the same because if the Net's the same then we're all just wasting time talking about it what if it's increase what the budget is $6 million6 million 222,000 but when I take out the factors like when I look at all of the items that were projected within the budget that our our expenditures it it's $4.4 million so we really actually came in lower but have these other we have eight or Aid us a Cuts within there and then increased uh expenditure for vouchers uh those you know really we we came in quite well with our projections contrary to how it looks here you

125know just the unknown factors what was the cost of the special education how much more did we have to underwrite to balance that budget uh that ended up being how much more than what we had projected uh $1.8 million so 1.8 million coming out the general fund to balance special education now is that prior to the number you gave me earlier or easy as in you said no swear you you had said we were around 20 million in there I guess what I'm saying is our fund balance right 100% sure I'm I'm with you on that well I'm not 100% sure I'm with myself on all only thing I see the only thing I see is that the extra expenditure that we had for the vouchers and things was right around $750,000 we have that

126in in this fun balance yeah so we can we can cover that and still continue forth with what we're doing without adding that like I just see us what are we going to do with that if we if we go to scenario two or three even or whatever I just I see it well let's hold on to this in case but we'll just take more from I can't I can't get with that I one of the questions I would have is we can cover our loss what I'm saying if we did scenario let's just say we did scenario one um and we're doing it because we want uh to fix our buildings and put money into that how much more this year are we adding to that to cover those expenditures if we go with

127option one if I Mak if I'm making sense yeah I'm just trying to make sure so I mean the the increase on the budget overall I mean it's uh I'm trying to think of just just say that yeah so I well I mean it to me the sentiment room is that we'd really like to um you know we we've we've done good with our staff giving wage things like that but what we really want to focus on is making sure that we are in a pattern of providing and funding for these um you know buildings and grounds expenses that we're going to have so what I want to know is if we do um scenario one or two or three how much more is that going to give us to go into that mission that

128we have um you know expenditure then um if we go with something less does that make sense the consisting budget scenario one additional for facilities yeah and then what would be potentially available in scenario two two and three above yeah yeah sure that's kind no thank you we had $500,000 additional as a part of the referendum projections and that was added in here okay okay and so uh so that that would be that's already sort of worked into the budget plans and and we've already done some of the projects uh you know there's some Roofing work at Lincoln you know some of those things that were already done to use up some of the some of that planned cost scenario two would give the district $1 million additional and then the uh the scenario three

129would give the district $3.5 million additional uh and you know there would be there would be ways to earmark that for certain projects approved by the board of course uh and and there's always ways like with any budget if we don't expend something to put it into that fund 46 that's why we we added $1.4 million at the end of this budget year so um you want to make sure I'm answering your question yeah so that I mean you you are and so I guess what I want all of us to know that is really we're only if we took this 267,000 um out of um a fund balance and put it in here and did option one we would only have an extra $267,000 right to put into well we would be taking out

130an additional five to or $600,000 more so we would be in the 19 million range that just taking out that 500,000 that gets us to the budget that's nothing additional that's why we were taking it out right yes like if we would decide to bring the levy down yes correct right are and and is that okay with everyone is what I'm saying that's if you so I just want to say that the way they budgeted it so I don't know I don't want to explain this too much but the budget is they already projected money into those extra things so they when when they build a budget they're projecting money let's say let's put this much money into this account for like f 46 they already added from what it was last year they added

131so it's just Mak up money right it's made up money they haven't they haven't spent it yet but they're earmarking saying we're going to build a budget to try to have that money available so if we wanted to not do that we would just be taking away from the ability to have that fund funds available so does that answer your question so because every every option we would still keep the uh we still keep a $95 million budget because that's what's being asked but the amount that we would um take local taxpayers is different correct well no matter every scenario it's going to go up because of the state aid has fallen so much so it's kind of a double whammy already because property values have went up which is like whatever and then state

132aid went down so he's trying to tell you we're getting kind of hos two ways but I'm trying to say well I mean we're going to get H but if we can somehow explain where we're going with the district we can manage it you know but well I can I mean I I can get on board with the keeping it the same or scenario one is where I'm playing just to put my cards out there thank you I'm not sure I got my question answered on the net impact and if I missed it I apologize but I think what would be helpful is if we can break this down in layman terms so if if the original scenario and again I'm just trying to equate this to the taxpayer right so taxpayers understand a tax

133bill right so they see a bill let's just say the original scenario was going to cost them $1,000 dollar a year right what would scenario uh one look like what would two look like what would three look like if we can simplif yeah is that in there or correct if if it the projection was 720 that would be the tax amount total the new targeted with the 14.6 property valuation is the same well it's the tax rate 626 but the am tax amount is 720 and then scenario one is 737 the next one's 7365 and then 841 see that it's um P bottom of page one of the memo tax impact page two I'm sorry page two thank you and the other piece too is that the equalized value I mean while that estimate is

13414% right now that drives a little bit too and that's not finalized as well yeah you w't know that number till October 1st what we do with those estimates is the municipal numbers are released on August 15 kind of interpolate that to this to the school based on the percentage of the municipality within the school district but we what we don't know is what the growth was in the portion in the district compared to the portion outside the district so a a town town a might have grown 14% but the half in your District may have grown 16% and the other the other portion may have grown only 12% so we will we won't know that number until October 1st but you know we didn't want to obviously wait too long to have this discussion

135because once you get into you know you have two meetings possibly in October to kind of reconcile this it gives you a chance to kind of think through some of the possibilities the other thing in terms of the valuation I meant to mention I forgot is during the referendum process the the 720 was based on a 0% valuation and and yeah and some and some of your and again if if your value if your tax base stayed absolutely the same there was no new property no new tax base then the 14% what we're showing you is accurate but somewhere in that growth and we don't know yet but probably somewhere between one and two kind of eyeballing the municipalities again not knowing how much of it's within your district and maybe in your neighboring districts

136is New Growth which I think you need to keep in mind when you're evaluating what that ultimate tax impact is because if you get say 1% of new tax base that would would have lowered the 720 or increased the 626 to kind of reconcile because that wasn't really part of the equation during the referendum process it's not a huge Factor but it could be a couple of sents and you know so there's there's a lot of variables out there that we just don't know this point that chart is great thank you sorry I missed that but that really what I think would be helpful is if to Matt's Point earlier if we might be able to add you know for each scenario like here's the extra tangible things that we anticipate getting in the district

137if we if we raise it to this amount again this is just a lot of information and yes you know I'm a numbers guy I get numbers but this is you know I get like 200 pages of like data a year and I'm like what am I looking at so it's I I think think we need to lead with that simple chart and just add one more column to it that says here's here are the other things that we can bring to our community and just make it tangible so people can understand it without all these School Finance no offense to you guys I know you guys do a good job and thank you for this but most people don't speak your language I think though I think though that we did that correct I

138mean when I look at the long for fund 46 long-term Capital Improvements trust and we listed four items there that's what we're looking in um to do with our current budget correct so that's what we're telling the taxpayers that we are going to do with that money that's in the budget again I'm just looking for we got to simplify it in like one graph right this is just a lot to digest most people I have a hard time opening up board B right you think what do you think John Q Public's going to do I mean seriously like this is like really difficult to just process this amount of information and it's hard too because once you get into a little bit of information is it gets really complicated quick but the fun 46 projects

139I think it's easy to get to think that's attached to fund 10 expenditures like that that is two separate things I don't know if I just want to make sure yeah well so um we uh I don't I don't see it on my form here but we do have to approve the preliminary budget today is that correct what happens is uh we need to public publish a notice that says this is you know this is the preliminary budget that we're bringing forward you know for preliminary for just the approval of the board and that that hearing takes place at the October 10th meeting so we'll know the equalized value then but this publication has to go to the paper uh like within the week so it's one of those things where we have to give

140a preliminary snapshot and the board approves the preliminary budget at the um at the October 10th meeting but then when we have the other factors and all all information is gathered after October 15th the board first officially sets finalizes the budget and uh sets the levy for the October 24th meeting dates yes October 2 I understand what you said about the fund 46 and those projects but but I also look at that extra is is going to Washington Middle School and fixing that Auditorium and I don't know if you've been in there and seen some of the areas that need to be redone or going to the high school and just going into bathrooms and getting rid of the old plastic dividers that have been sanded down and look terrible and just going in and

141repairing stuff to make it more a school then you know then then I guess I don't expect those kind of things you know and just to go in and take care of stuff and and providing some extra budget money for Mike and his crew to be able to go in and fix some of those things in other schools you know there's there's needs in every school that need to be taken care of so it's a place that you really can be proud of well I I would make a a motion um to do option one anyone would second that scario one second any discussion on option one do we talk about now about where we allocate the the fund balances to is that in this discussion or is it just a general I'm saying like

142fund 10 compared to fun 46 compared to the the fun for um just to approach well the budget the budget is here and it tells where all the money what what they're recommending all the money goes to preliminarily so so we it's in our purview to talk about well do we need to have an extra that that standing million dollars in the Food Service account do do we need to like is that something we can talk about now to say hey what what's our long-term plan for worth that money are we gonna just leave a million in there or like I'm just that's an example I'm saying is is that in the purview to talk about that now about where we put the Gen fund 10 to fund 46 the money from from fund 10

143for example you can't move to 10 you know 10 always has fund 50 cannot run in the in the negative fun 10 would have to back fill but we are required due to the amount of excessive fund balance we have in fund 50 right now to work at bringing that down now what does that mean I know what you I know what you said but to spend the money that we have we get slapped on the risk do we get put in the time out what what happen oh well the first the first year that you just have to say uh we're working to buy uh large Capital items so last through paper we have to show what do with the money can you lower the cost of the charges to kids also the help

144balance uh we can but we have more of a deficit at this at this point yes I mean I recognize long term in terms of you could always raise them up but I mean that that that is always but it's a food service expense that you have to correct like we could have had the option for something else Food Service infrastructure that correct so we did like or something dishwasher Replacements we're coming up on 20 years of our food service program which is excellent and um have a lot of equipment that needs to be replaced so my discussion about is I would I would rather see more money U going towards fund 46 than fund 10 in general that's my only statement but I would be okay 49 if you would want more money going

145to 46 you would have to transfer that out of your fund time now or during as a part of the budget I'd be curious to know what what do you guys recommend didn't expect that you guys are I would recommend scenario one oh what balances our balances our budget IT addresses our strategic planning that we went through at through the referendum uh it it you know addresses all the factors uh that you know that the state has passed through with vouchers uh you know but I'm it's it's uh it's the board's decision and so uh that's just where where it's at yeah we' we've talked a lot and again I'm not a resident I was to say you know so you know I don't want to spend other people's money but you know I think

146you know obviously I think it's the discussion here has been very good the sensitivity to the expectation of the taxpayers to the referendum I think that that cannot be you know minimized um and then you just have to balance that against some of the factors that are somewhat out of your control that maybe you're going to throw that a little bit off which we don't know the valuation could come at a number that puts it right where you want it and this it's it's a nonissue then we just we just don't have all the information but unfortunately the information comes very late in the process and that's why the need for this conversation to kind of feel out what the the thoughts of the board and the direction they want to go so Administration can

147have time to kind of provide additional information or prepare of certain things as you get closer to budget approval one of the things um I was just thinking um to what Matt said I mean we we make a preliminary budget now so um and and set the preliminary tax levy that we're looking at but it's still a $95 million budget and before we sign the dotted line of what that's going to look like you know even in between all these um formality things that we need to do we can talk about the funds and where the money is so we can put that on another agenda just to focus on that it wouldn't change what we need to do today but because because I don't hear anyone saying um let's get it down to 90

148million right let's get rid of five million or whatever right but we're talking about we're talking about um maybe we want instead of a thousand here we'd rather put a thousand here I think that we can do that just in one of our general um sessions one of our two sessions let's talk about those things seriously um but set our budget you know we we we're if we're okay with where it is now preliminary the stuff in motion and then talk about the funds at a different time is what I would and having a meeting like either another one uh in September or in October I mean that's that's definitely something you know happy to prepare information from any time uh likely at this point we I would just present for the budget hearing the

149preliminary budget as you were presented here correct just because of all all of the unknown factors even when I'll Stand and give the the the budget hearing I'll I'll say in my head oh but it's really like here you know I already know our summer school count is higher than I projected you know so there's there's a lot of a lot of factors that go into here I mean I would say if you'd want to have the the most useful discussion around the the final information we would want to plan a meeting early the week after the 15th of October because we would know everything then okay and so then we then we would be able to say like okay this is really how it's going to shake down otherwise I'm doing on estimates so

150sure we need that yeah I think we need that for sure Jim I'm curious do you have are you any any thoughts on that scenario one oh what's hard is that you know I I don't have you know the one thing of additional need that we recognize um but I'm also also recognizing the need that we haven't really mapped out yet in terms of we got a good strategy for raising student inchat levels but if kids are two or three years behind grade level you know uh you know I'm also thinking of instructional needs and you know stuff like this anytime you start using too much of your general fund for facilities you're cutting off your programming you're already cutting back your J fund to balance special education which is critical um so you know

151but I don't have that information totally to you know to to say that absolutely I'd go not with one but two um you know I do know that that that money would be good use because you could put it over into the uh facilities fund you know to the extent that you know that that's going to be there and you can Mally start um accelerating some of this work uh and some of the work just might be a lot more expensive than it was originally planned you know we got you know so so it's out there so I don't have all the information to and I probably and I think probably a lot of us probably would be more apt to do something like that if that facil plan was done and we knew and

152could tell the public this is exactly what we're going to be doing and prioritizing which won't be done you know before people you know we were talking about you know how much is going facility is going to be needed now we definitely want to separate out needs from wants you know we really need to know we also need to know that we're getting a good return our facilities are meeting our needs and we know we're utilizing space appropriately right yes I'm still kind of frustrated with the fact that we're sitting on a fund balance that we could cover this with instead of going back I have a hard time looking at that and then going to the public for that money when we had already promised that we were going to try to give it

153back as much I just this may not sound re relevant but it is two years ago we were still using federal funds uh to for kids lunches and then last year we decided you know to to brace the impact for the families we would cover that as well so we paid that out of our funds last year as well too that wasn't Federal grant that was coming from us do you remember the amount on that for the for the estra funding or for the CE for to pay for the school lunches for uh well we had $300,000 more revenues last year as a result of that so it was about $300,000 uh I don't know if you're going to take more out taxes on everything else then I say you add that in and pull

154it out and pay for the kids lunches the rest of the Year too and that we're not able to reverse that c decision at this time because we have to wave that by June 30th of every year I just saying we just we literally just got done going through this and now you know that's also added on top of it now we're going to still sitting on that money while we go elsewhere to get it that's the same thing I'm looking at the federal government for and being upset about in the first and now here I am in the position to do it and it's it drives me not so I I will vote no on it on a principled note for either one of those scenar we're not even voting on anything today right

155this is just we got to approve one of those scen it's not actionable though it just says information discussion the challenging thing too is we received federal funds and and the state did not provide additional per pupil funding through those the two years of the banial budget because of that yeah just another like big picture thing on Mill rates in $742 because of the property tax relief and the additional AIDS last year it went down to $551 cents where it currently is and if we're looking at $626 we are I mean it's going to impact our taxpayers we we educated them on that through the the referendum but we are still going to be bargain based per thousand compared to all other districts in the in the county and and the average of the state

156I would say be pretty safe to say you know I would estimate the the average tax rate for schools L for the 23 24 in a low $6 something I know I know it's it but I I have a hard time accepting you know hey you guys should pay more because everybody else is paying more I I just I made a commitment to to use what we were going to use and then back as much as we could or not use as much as we could I don't know and the challenge is is we you know we don't know things items with the banial budget that I do understand yeah we're in dark you know Tony's talking about his business he can kind of project out certain costs and he knows what's not everything but

157a little more control of right and we're in the dark on up because we don't know everything right now I understand that I do but yeah I don't know no it's yeah Chris yeah I just want to point out to everyone here that we have to provide a preliminary budget legally as a starting point so that we can have a budget hearing yes and at that point you are certainly free whether you vote for or against the preliminary budget to vote to amend future budgets and to vote to approve or not approve the final budget even if it precisely matches the preliminary vot budget that you voted for so voting for the preliminary budget is voting to authorize a starting point budget that is presented publicly and that the budget presentation that builds from this

158comes from correct and you are no you are no way guaranteeing that you won't that you will vote for the final one even if it exactly matches but that is I'm not suggesting that you should vote in bad faith I'm just saying this is where we need to with that said I think that um we have discussed this and I think that um we should go and vote for the motion that is on the floor is there an advantage of like just you know just strategically as we kind of try to build this thing you know through the hearing and and then is there an advantage or disadvantage for going for one I know that's the motion or three I mean three we can we can come down on I guess but uh one boy

159that's that's pretty that's pretty Mud Sale isn't it no it's a hard sale Carri you know the option one but balances our budget you know we would have to come up with a plan for the additional revenues if we were to go that route which we can and we we're not short of needs so I'm not sure okay okay so um all in favor of um going with the uh a preliminary budget which is option one all in favor say I I any opposed I'm know who knows Biff and Matthew okay um all right our next item is the uh miscellaneous compensation rates thank you Mike appreciate it um the miscellaneous compensation rates um this was a uh Angela and Mike you'd like to talk about those yes uh it's been seven school years since

160we've addressed that several of these sort of miscellaneous compensation rates there are things that happen on a very regular basis uh uh employees will uh have the opportunity to work on curriculum projects help with interview processes and uh and many other things so so there's a sort of a a long range of different compensation that's included in this and so uh it was built within the the budget these these rates uh and planned for uh specifically the school Forest rate is is interesting because that hasn't been addressed in over 10 years and I know uh Colin in our discussions for uh finance and budget committee topics said had just mentioned that you know just to review that so I went through and discussed it with Kelly voron and and and just you know would like

161to make the recommendation that we approve these rates uh for the misscellaneous compensation areas want to make go ahead Chris move to approve second second okay any discussion all those in favor say I I any opposed um and then the next one is our Lincoln High School Tower fundraising motion to approve [Music] and this is um just uh uh if you just in looking at the memo this was just to um authorize um the fundraising uh that would start the campaign for power right um any discussion on that at all I don't see this as a um actionable item is it supposed to be uh yeah it was similar to what we did with the the track you know to okay approve that initiative so that uh the foundation knows that you would support work

162on the tower and so do we have a motion in a second to approve you already had a motion oh I'm sorry sorry your so F second permission that's good wording with jimy was all covered I didn't I didn't check this with okay that's my my concern last time was that the correct so my concerns okay any other discussion okay all those in favor say I I any opposed motion carries um just a couple things um one is the that wasby 2023 fall regional meeting does fall on one of our board meetings does it not and that's when we're going to be approving the final October 24th yeah so unfortunately I don't think that any of us can go to that um there's another one that came out too is um sep I'm sorry September

163uh November Saturday November 4th um is another one that's coming up to um interesting topics um the new reading um law also um just about declining Ro enrollment and um how it's affecting Wisconsin schools so lots of different things it's a Saturday um so that's just something to be thinking about and then you know I know everybody gets this um the school news I thought um page 25 I thought was um interesting you know again with our just our talk with governance it talks about accountability in um different ways that um you know wasby talks about um a governance checklist so you know just something interesting for um uh everybody to read and those are all the comments I have um and future meeting dates we have our um Regular meeting which is October 10th

164I believe correct our next one September 26 I'm sorry September 26th and then October is I have the uh Finance on the brain here um anything else uh as final um meeting dates that we have future meeting dates okay um seeing none um we will uh vote to go into Clos session um Board of Education will to convene in this for the considering the employment promotion compensation or performance eval data of any Public Employee over which the governmental body has J or exercises responsibility meeting is authorized pursuant to section 19.85% yes yes okay take a couple minutes to uh clear the room and we session