001Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. Scared my foot. >> We're live streaming and Okay. It's like a cow. Look at the CTR. All right, we're streaming and recording and the mics are live. >> All right, it is 6:00. >> We will call the Monday, May 11th regular board meeting to order. Roll call, please. >> Lori Zarback. >> Here. >> Jason Saffert. >> Here. >> Andrew Coons. >> Here. >> Phil Hinkle. >> Here. >> Kevin Johnson. >> Here. >> Miriam Barbre. >> Here. >> Bert Richard. >> Here. >> Nels Shire. >> Here. >> And Doug Kuchcinski. >> Here. >> And Randy, was a proper notice given for this meeting? >> Yes, please be advised that public notice of this meeting as required by sections 19.84 and 65.90 of the Wisconsin statutes has been properly given. Such
002notice consisted of a notice and agenda to the official newspaper, the Racine Chronotype, to the Eau Claire Leader and radio stations WJMC and WAEQ indicating the date, time, and place of the meeting. Such notice was given more than 24 hours prior to the meeting. >> Thank you. It does appear that a proper notice was given for this meeting, so we will stand for the pledge. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we have two uh people signed up for appearances, so we will start with Patty. >> I don't want you to forget who I am, so I'm here again. >> We [laughter] could never do that, Patty.
003>> Thank you. Okay. Ready? Oh, no, it didn't start. No, don't start me. >> [laughter] >> I need every second. >> Okay, Patty Anderson, 1789 29th Avenue, Rice Lake Street address. Um a few points that I would like to bring to the board. >> [snorts] >> Educating myself is something I do to make good and fair decisions. I attended your finance meeting last week. I learned a great deal. Um Mr. Drost's work on special on spreadsheet sheets and numbers is a thankless job, but a job well done on his part. Not to criticize any of you, but I wondered why only four committee members on the finance when a vote is needed on an action, who breaks the tie? Was the question I had. Or do you just all agree? Um the committee is all
004guys, no girls. Females like look at problems differently, and maybe seeing Hogans school is a problem 4 years ago, moms, grandmas, and great grands would have assessed the need and gone into action and not kicked the can down the road for years. Question, do we know why homeschooling is still big in Barron County? Did parents learn exactly what was being taught as everyone was home due due to COVID? Have we asked what are we not offering to these families when they make that choice to stay home with their children. Just another thought. I was told also that all curriculum comes from the same publisher. Do we look through it, read it, and take out the woke that we're not teaching woke? Um in researching ideas to help keep schools opened, one idea was to make
005the school unique. >> [snorts] >> Establish a special focus, a magnet, or a theme school. For example, STEM. And that was science, technology, engineering, and math. Because Haugen is not in the city, we are rural and a country school. A country school atmosphere, smaller classes which fulfill your mission statement. And our focus would be reading excellent at an early age. At the March 23rd board meeting, a suggestion to form a committee of two board members, two teachers, and two parents was proposed. And I wondered if that committee had been formed yet. A five-year strategic plan as a future agenda item would work to give our county, especially the Rice Lake School District, positive reinforcement of good quality education. This would also be good for good economic development. I do understand what budgets are, lower population
006and housing issues, but we need to start somewhere. Now, to end with more positive note, you each have a Poppy and Penny packet in front of you. On March May 18th at 10:30 a.m. at the Haugen School, the Auxiliary Unit 540 in Haugen will have a challenge for students. The Poppy represents the visual image of the sacrifice of service made by our veterans since World War I. Visiting a veteran's grave and leaving a penny lets the family know that someone visited. The 61 students will get their packet, and after leaving a penny, they will add their name to a poster at the school. Now, my challenge to you all is please join us in the 250 penny challenge. Visit a Veterans crave, leave the penny, and add your name to the poster when you visit
007Hogans School. Thank you. >> Thank you. And Courtney. >> Uh Courtney Nienstedt, parent, Racine, Wisconsin. Um I came tonight because I care deeply about this district, this community, the students, the teachers, including Hogan. And over the past several weeks, I've repeatedly asked questions about the district's finance and budget priorities. What I've often received are partial answers, fragmented information, or responses that make it seem like concerned citizens simply just don't understand. But transparency is not something the school should have to not something the public should have to fight for. Taxpayers deserve clear answers, and I'm going to continue asking questions because I believe that this district is heading in the wrong direction. We're losing teachers to other districts. We're losing students to open enrollment, homeschooling, and other educational options. Meanwhile, taxpayers in this community are already
008struggling with rising costs and increasing taxes. I just wanted to ask, is the board aware that there has been more than a 10% increase in the number of students being bused from that 8 to 12 miles away? What does that say about population movement, enrollment trends, and the future of our rural communities? I also do not believe that Hogan School is being discussed with confidence or vision. Parents hear uncertainty. They hear conversations centered around closure, and no parent wants to hear no parent wants to send their child to a school they believe may disappear in a year. This board needs to commit to Hogan for at least 5 years and stop treating the closure as the default solution or inevitable. Because respectfully, Hogan School did not create this district's financial problems. Last Thursday at the
009Finance Committee meeting, there was a discussion about pool pricing after the pool has been open for almost a year. Families are now facing rates like $200 for a 2-hour birthday party, which is significantly more expensive than other local options. Those discussions about costs, affordability, and long-term sustainability should have happened before decisions were made, not afterward. I do not believe this board is being given the full picture. I do not believe that the financial realities and the community concerns are being communicated accurately or completely. And if the board truly understood what many residents are seeing, the focus would not be centered on closing Hogenson School. The focus would be on addressing spending priorities, rebuilding trust, retaining families and teachers, and restoring confidence in the district. It needs real trust. The kind of trust that comes from
010valuing teachers, students, and education itself. The kind of honorable trust that is built through transparency, responsible leadership, and remembering the true foundation of this district is supposed to be education. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Next, I [clears throat] would entertain a motion to approve our regular session and closed session meeting minutes from Monday, April 27th. >> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying "Aye". >> Aye. >> Opposed? And the minutes have been approved. Next, we have our consent agenda. We have our monthly budget and cash reconciliation report, our board bills. We have uh three employment resignations and two employment recommendations. I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda.
011>> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? The consent agenda has been approved. Next, we get our first reading of the 26-27 elementary handbook. >> Hello, Natalie Springer, the principal at Hilltop Elementary. >> Matt Olson, principal at Tiner. >> All right, we are just going to highlight the changes that we have made to the handbook. So, the first major change comes on page five with our 4K programming. And this year we added the extended day as a part of our 4K 4K programming, but we didn't have items with their handbook included with our elementary handbook. So, that's why we wanted to put that in with the
012elementary handbook and have it look like we are 4K through fourth grade. It's It's elementary and Excuse me, wanted to make sure that they were all a part of the same handbook. Um so, we added information in there so that families know exactly what that will look like. There In the first paragraph with the 4K programming, there might be some tweaks there once we know like what that looks like with the Hogan Elementary and once that decision is made for what 4K is, then we'll have to make a few little changes there, but um right now that's what we have for our 4K program. >> And then on page seven, under field trips, um per policy 352 and 531, we added a piece in regard to a volunteer commitment and confidential commit confidentiality statement, um
013as well as um chaperone requirements and expectations being reviewed before they take a go on a field trip and and a chaperone. So, we added those pieces. And then on page eight, under absence and truancy, um we asked and added that um a doctor's note come with a student if they've been gone for three or more consecutive days, um just to note uh their illness and and why they were absent. Those are the major changes that we had made to the the handbook. Any questions about any of those things? >> I don't have questions about that, but I did go through the handbook and um since we have been talking about the cell phone use policy, I know at your level you don't have as probably as much, but you do have it in there.
014And you just have cell phones and smartwatches. I wonder if you just put any electronic device and so we can encompass that as we're going because it's going to keep coming up, right? And so, rather than rewriting it later, you may as well add maybe additional or any electronic device that the children shouldn't have cuz if they're bringing an iPad or whatever they might bring, it might just be helpful for future. >> Absolutely. Thanks for that suggestion. Any other questions? >> You You could just make it um we'll have a second reading for policy tonight, personal electronic devices. Just make it generic and that would cover anything not has nothing to do with devices issued by the school, um but anything that's brought from home. >> Great. Anything else you guys are thinking? Awesome. Thanks,
015guys. >> All right. This is a first reading, so this will be brought back for a second reading. Uh if you have any questions between now and then, please uh let Randy know. And then we'll have our second reading. Next, our Hogan Elementary enrollment update. >> Yes, and Mr. Valcheck couldn't be here today. He unfortunately had to attend a funeral, and so but we have been talking this week and and talking with enrollment and moving there. And so, just elementary enrollment as a as a whole, I just wanted to give you a little slide on that. So, as of today for next year, we have about 738 students enrolled. Typically, in 4K and K, we pick up more students over the summer. So, I wouldn't be surprised to pick up 10 or more students in
016in each grade level. That's pretty common over the course of the summer. So, I would expect our enrollment in the fall to be around that 760 mark. Last third Friday last September was 773, but then we actually picked up students over the course of the year. So, as of April, our elementary enrollment was 790. And so, I would expect us to pick up students there. So, that that's been very typical every summer to pick up students entering grades 4K and K. As we look at Hogan as of this afternoon, we have seven students in 4K and waiting on two to officially enroll and five students in kindergarten. Again, waiting on two or three three, I think it was, to officially enroll. But 13 in first grade, 18 in second grade, and 11 in third grade,
017and nine and then in fourth grade, nine was plus one waiting to decide. So, and we didn't have it as an action item tonight. Wanted you to think about it and um potentially take action on it in 2 weeks, and then we'll see if we pick up other students. But at this time, we'd be recommending a multi-age 4K and K combined, and we have a teacher that's at Hogan that's willing and excited to to teach that. And then in third and fourth grade as well, looking at a multi-age there. And again, a teacher who is he actually wanted more students to have that. He's looking for a larger group of students, but would be looking at a multi-age classroom there as a recommendation. But again, we don't have that as an action item. Wanted to
018put that to you tonight and by when we meet again in 2 weeks um should have a very solid number and and additional well, not additional, look at those recommendations, see if they change or not and then ask you to take action on that. >> What's the current enrollment? >> 61 or two students, I think. This is 63, I think, if they all come. 12 25. Yep, 63, I think, if yep, right now. >> So, what's the 4K [clears throat] K numbers? Are the Is that like is the two count as part of the seven? >> That's part of seven, yeah. I mean, part of the five, yeah. So, right now expecting a dozen total. But but as I said, we usually pick up students in in 4K and K and so there could be
019a couple more. >> And then as far as if the third and fourth grade classes combine, would the third grade teacher move to another? >> Yes, yeah. Some Nobody Nobody would be out of a job. So. >> I know we've talked about this a little bit, but I don't know if they've ever given us actual number. Like what is the range of average classroom size that you're looking for for across the district that we try to shoot for? >> You know, the the 18 is is often times in everybody's mind. The 18 came from Now it's called AGR. You'll have elementary principals present on that at curriculum committee meetings. It was SAGE before that. Sage had to be uh you could not go over 18 in grades K through 3 if you wanted that additional
020funding for class. That is no longer there as long as you have uh academic coaches, which we have literacy and math coaches, we have interventionists, you can go over that. And so with that, we haven't had anybody with the exception, I think fourth grade at Tenor is 23 or 4 this year in those classes. Um you know, that no more than 20. Um we try to we try to keep it under 20. And so um I know a lot in a lot of places they would look at that as a small uh class size. For instance, when I go to Big Rivers meetings, you know, you go to River Falls, they're going to have 23, 4, 5, 6 in a classroom or Menomonie. Um it's going to be very common there, but that hasn't been
021common here for a long time. So, as Patty said, you know, we we promote smaller class sizes. >> Any other questions? All right. Thank you for that update. Next, we have the 2026-2027 Board of Education meeting schedule. That is a second reading. >> [clears throat] >> I did not hear anybody have any questions or concerns on that. So, this will move this forward to uh a motion and approval. I have a motion to approve meeting schedule. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? And that schedule has been approved. Next, we have our Finance Committee meeting update. Doug. >> All right. We met on Thursday, May 7th at 3:30. All members were present. Uh statement
022of no loss was given. Uh minutes were approved. Uh and then uh we elected a chairperson which uh became me again uh and then from there we talked about the school district budget administration presented an overview of the last 10 years of revenue growth for fund 10 uh, the fund 10 revenue limits have increased $2,355,556 for 9.3% over the last 10 years uh, that is an average of $235,556 a year which equates to just under 1% uh, per year increase uh, the committee discussed the current estimate estimated deficit for the 2026-2027 budget the 1.2 1.2 million dollars and that the district has to make decisions on how it to balance the budget in the near future um, we talked about setting the community center hours and membership the committee discussed the hours and pricing for
023other community centers and gave administration some direction on how to step up the district's community center uh, we talked about the fund 46 contribution we discussed that for making future uh, contributions to that fund which is tied to maintenance and and those types of projects and then uh a bid for the wood boiler decommissioning the committee approved administration getting bids to decommission the wood boiler system and the use of the current wood storage area for the for potential use and repurposing for the high school construction classes um, and then we talked about our OPEB investment review in terms of the quarterly uh report on that. And we did we review [clears throat] the language for the OPEB. Uh the committee discussed changing the current proposal language to allow employees hired prior to July 1st of
0242024 to voluntarily change to the benefit for staff hired after 7 1 of 24 and changing that staff retiring on June 30th of 28 to June 30th of uh 2031 with 10 years of service would receive a 96 months of lump sum payment on at a reduced monthly amount. The committee directed the administration to do a comparison of the administrative OPEB to other districts for the committee to review to determine potential changes uh to the administrative OPEB language. Uh The next item that we talked about were stop loss rate review. Administration reviewed the current stop loss quote that has a 31% increase in premiums and a $1.8 million increase in the district's claim liability. And then we talked about uh the fund 39 resolutions. The committee reviewed the payment information for the fund 39 resolutions
025that are an action item on the full board agenda and uh the district's debt will be paid off within uh July 20 27. Do we want to take that now, Kevin? >> take that now. So, the first resolution would be authorizing uh the general obligation school improvement bonds that were dated December 30th of 2013. And so, that is a action item. I would entertain a motion to approve that resolution. >> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? And that resolution has been approved. Next is for the resolution on obligation school improvement bonds dated December 30th of 2013 and the redemption of the general obligation school bonds
026for March 3rd of 2014. I would entertain a motion for that resolution. >> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? And that resolution has been approved. >> Okay. Uh and then we reviewed and the bills and and made recommendation for approval. Set our next meeting date for June 4th at 3:30 and we adjourned at 5:23. >> Any questions? >> [clears throat] >> All right. Thank you for that report. Next, we will be hearing from our compensation committee. >> Okay. So, we met on Monday, May 4th at 5:00. All the committee members were present. Um we voted in for me to be the chairperson again and then
027next we discussed the teacher compensation for 2026-2027. Andy, do you want to >> Yeah. That's all. Yeah, sorry. Um we did that. I'm just going to pull this up again and I know it was linked in your packet. Um so, for 25-26, um you know, we've continued with this year four of a formula-based approach. It's just a linear algebraic equation um and the the annual increase is $1,500 a year plus if we make any changes to the base salary. So for 26-27 for someone with a bachelor's would be $1,500 times the number of years plus starting salary 42,000 up to 68,000. Master's or national boards would be similar. That is always been at $3,000 higher. And then if someone had a master's and a national boards would be 2,000 above that. So changes from last
028year to this year $500 $500 increase to our starting to our base teacher rate. And then also increasing $1,500 on the top end which has been consistent with what we've done the last 4 years. That would be sorry. That would be $388,000 increase overall and equates to a 2.8% 2.85% increase. And CPI for this year is considered to be 2.63. >> And then next we discuss the support staff compensation as well. >> Yeah. So I'll just take you up. Sorry go there. So with that I'll open this link. Let me make that a little bit bigger. All right. So with that we took each cell. You know we have custodial work group. Secretary and support personnel, special education, behavior support, attendance coordinator, food service, lifeguards. And so with that recommended this included this was a
0292.85% increase across all cells across all jobs. And so recommending that last very similar to what we had last year. I think last year was a 2.9 maybe maybe three. uh And so I think it was 3%. So, 2.85% recommending that across the board in all cells. >> And then last we discussed the contracted staff compensation. >> Yeah. So, for that Oh, and I'm sorry. I should have said this, Miriam. My fault. Um Let me go back to support staff for a second. So, that'd be $127,000 uh $127,678 increase. Um And again, that did not include lifeguards or little splash learners. Um Contracted includes uh DTO staff, aquatic and rec center, admin support here uh for some positions, our naturalist, senior accountant, food service director. And so, with that, when you looked at those people
030all the way across the board, um it would have been a $28,000 increase, which was 2.85% across the board. So, recommending a 2.85 uh percent increase across the board. >> Do you want to go over this >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, with this then, um we're bringing this to you for if you agree or if you need any other discussion, um we'd have uh discussion and and approval. And then, we would start to issue contracts for next school year. >> [clears throat] >> Anybody have any questions? If not, I would entertain a motion to approve those pay increases that were presented this evening. >> A motion. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, please let the record show that
031Andrew and myself both abstained from this uh vote. And with that, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? And that motion carries. >> [clears throat] >> And then that's all we have. We um did not decide on our next meeting date yet. >> All right. Thank you. Next, we have the curriculum committee meeting update. We met uh this evening just before uh our meeting tonight. And uh we approved our minutes. We got [clears throat] an update and will be um action items tonight for the high school social studies pilot courses. One was the physics course and one was a both AP physics and then AP history. >> Kevin. >> Psych. AP psych. >> Oh, that's yes. >> [laughter] >> Yes. AP psych. >> Stand corrected. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >>
032So, um those two courses, the committee is uh they had good response from the students as far as numbers uh taking those two classes. Uh the majority of those kids in the history class um 58% took it took that class as a dual enrollment. So, that meant they they got college credit as well at UW-Eau Claire as well as credit at the high school. And uh um just a lot of positive feedback on on both of those classes. So, we are recommending that both of those get approved for permanent class position. >> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? And that motion carries. Then we also
033got a an update on the starry program [clears throat] that uh is being used at the middle school for uh some of our reading intervention students that are needing need there. And uh heard a lot of uh growth that was taking place. So, not only in in uh just the general education groups, but also in some of our subgroups. We saw some positive growth there, which is uh one of the areas that we need to see some growth in based on our report card. And so, our English language learners and uh special education also um saw nice significant growth in in those groups as well. So, um just got a good report back from that. And uh looking forward to hearing more good things to come from that. And then our next meeting date is
034to be determined. Any questions? All right. Next, we have policy and legislative advocacy committee meeting update. This is just uh for our second reading. We have policy 443, the student possession and use of personal electronic devices, which is what uh Randy referenced earlier, along with policy 446, student searches, and policy 537.2, professional development opportunities for licensed staff, and the rule for that 537.2. That's the guidelines for that, staff attendance and at the personal development events. I would entertain a motion to approve uh those policies and the rule. >> So moved. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? And those policies and the rule have been approved. Next, we
035have WASB public policy correspondent update. Phil, you got some exciting stuff. I saw it today. >> Well, it's potentially exciting, just like it's always been. Every time, potentially exciting. >> Yes. Yes. >> Um the governor and the uh leader of the house and the senate or Robin Vos, the leader of the senate, came to an agreement on a compromise as to what to do with the budget surplus. Now, [clears throat] um it appears like it could actually be a uh fair compromise because there are fair number of elements on both sides that don't like it. So, we'll see if it passes. That's the problem. I think there's supposed to be a scheduled vote on on Wednesday, presumably, but general terms of the deal are that um they want to increase sped aid over um retroactively
036from last year to next year to um around uh $300 million statewide, which could could I mean, if it goes through, could result in potentially us getting $300,000. And also, there's some uh general school aid in a like amount. The problem is it's under the revenue limit, so I don't know if that will allow us to it doesn't sound like it will allow us to levy extra revenue, but it will provide property tax relief and perhaps decrease our deficit. Um then other elements of the bill are >> [clears throat] >> um state income tax exclusion for overtime, which it is distinguished from the federal and that the federal uh is scheduled to sunset in 2028 and this is not scheduled to sunset. This is permanent going forward until somebody changes it. Tax exclusion for tip
037income and there's an likewise terms there. If it's passed, it should extend indefinitely in the future and then an income tax rebate. And the combined fiscal effect is something in the range of 1.7 billion dollars. So it gets rid of a fairly large part of the surplus. So we'll see what happens. You know, something if if you're old like me, you don't want to get too excited about this. You don't want to get excited about things that really happen. So we'll see what happens. >> All right. Thank you for that up- update. Next upcoming meeting schedule was posted in your packet. We've got uh uh three items, some WSB uh opportunities for some extra learning opportunities, for some zooms, video meetings and then no registrations required for those three and then the summer learning symposium.
038If you can attend that July 10th and 11th, that is over in Stevens Point and registration is required. So please let Colleen know as soon as possible. And that is our upcoming meeting schedule. And we have our student representative with us this evening. I'm happy to see you here, so thank you. >> Yeah, so just a few small things that we're doing towards the end of the year. We're continuing to do the hallway games between the first and second hour on Wednesdays. Additionally, I think it was within the last few days, we were serving teachers coffee for staff appreciation week. Uh additionally, this Friday we're going to be having a movie on the turf. We're going to play it, I believe, on the big board and just really uh as well as a bonfire, a
039really great way to help build up some of that connection between students uh before the end of the year. >> [laughter] >> All right. Thank you. Is this your last meeting as >> last meeting with us, Daniel? >> I think it's probably going to be, yeah. >> Thank you for for uh being here and representing the students. Next, our district administrator comments. >> Yeah, just a few things. Uh Thursday, May 14th, from 7:00 to 9:00 is the Rice Lake Middle School Spring Choir Concert in the Rice Lake High School Auditorium. So, this Thursday from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. Uh Friday, May 22nd, 7:00 p.m. uh Rice Lake High School graduation at the Freeze Family Community Campus. And so, uh yeah, week from this Friday, it's here. And then, Tuesday, June 2nd, as a reminder, is
040the last day for all students. And again, anybody watching or listening or here, uh please continue to check our social media pages for a great number of things happening. Um always a lot to see. >> All right. >> Uh one one addition, um what about that Warrior Spirit Pump at Synergy? Does everyone know about that? >> I I just learned about that, I think, last week. And so, I um I believe there is I want to do a get a little more information, but um I believe that Synergy um I don't know if it's by Don Johnson. There's Is there one pump or >> It's There's one island. >> One island. Okay. That um and I don't know if it's got a sign on it. I I need to I need to fill up my
041truck, so I'll head there, but >> It's in Warrior colors. >> Okay. And so, what what's the percentage or >> But it's 2 cents. >> 2 cents a gallon? Will be a >> Convert that into a percentage. I think it's permanent. >> I As long as that decal is on it that >> I had heard there was there was one in Barron, but >> There's one on that end of town, >> There's one on the south end, too. >> Oh, good. Yeah. >> Okay. >> There's two of them in town, yeah. >> Yeah, let's go. >> Yeah. >> Drive your gas guzzler and driving by that station. >> [laughter] >> Utilize that pump. Help >> Right, right. >> Help support the district. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. All right. Next, I
042would entertain a motion to convene into closed session pursuant to 19.851c considering employment, promotion, compensation, and performance. And this and then 19.851f considering financial, medical, social uh histories. And this is a final notice for non-renewal. And then 19.851e, and that is for an individual employee contract. So, I would entertain a motion to go into closed session. >> Move to go closed. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. Roll call, please. >> Jason Safford. >> Here. >> Andrew Coop. >> Yes. >> Phil Henkel. >> Here. >> Kevin Jensen. >> Yes. >> Miriam Barbara. >> Yes. >> Bert Richard. >> Here. >> Nelly Shire. >> Yes. >> Doug Kuchko. >> Yes. >> And Lori Zarback. >> Yes. >> I don't know. Hey Colleen, can I ask