001You should be live. >> Hi, Matt. All right, it is 5:15. We'll get the committee portion started of the meeting. Uh we'll start with curriculum and policy and look at the early graduation requests that we have that was in the factor. >> Just one request for you. Pretty much um standard scenario. I don't think there's anything hot about it. Right, Mr. Wilson? >> Correct. >> All right. So, any board members have any questions on this? Is there a reason why we wouldn't ever approve a request for somebody to graduate early? >> Probably not. I mean, we allow that. Um, and typically, if there's going to be some issues with it, likely the administrative team wouldn't bring it before you until we rectify those issues. Um, if a parent, for example, will push the issue and
002say, "Well, no, we'll let the board decide," then maybe. But I I mean, it's quite rare that something like that would happen >> in in past practice for, you know, a couple decades. as long as the kid has a a purpose and a plan. >> And that's what I always talked with them about in the counseling role, you know, why we need to have a reason for it. If it's to go make money or to, you know, we've had um students entering the military that they're heading off to basic early, >> things like that. So to have a purpose to get out early is always something that I've stressed. In my 20 years, there's been no denial, but kids have always had a plan. All right. Any other questions? Hearing none, we'll move on to
003the board goals, which we have a paper copy of that for you. Um, I apologize for not getting them out sooner uh in the packet. Um, the I think I captured u what we talked about at the last meeting. We got them relayed into here. I didn't have Ronnie look at it. I didn't have Craig look at it. She had the opportunity but was busy Monday. So I don't know if we want to walk through them. The big changes. I should have brought my notes now. I don't remember anything here. Um with number one I think the biggest changes with the periodic presentations on that first line. um and ensuring uh you know because we do have systems and different things in place but uh I think uh ensuring the creation or maintenance of a
004resource I think I added the word or maintenance in there uh you know because we we have things in place already but just to make sure they're being maintained uh other than that it's the same um for the first one um in the second one community engagement Oh, we just put in here that, you know, that we would have our um work session by September 2025, which is tonight. Uh I mean, the meeting is tonight. Um and I think I just changed, you know, took the bold out of it was to when we how often we wanted reports. Uh oh, that's still in a bannual updates. Um just kind of going over summarizing key initiatives and things. One question I had is I mean it's possible that after our meeting with Kirk and Craig tonight
005that we you know we may want to still tweak it. We're not approving these tonight. We're approving them later. So um we can maybe focus on the other ones at this point. The other one, the next one with the financial stability, uh, made a few changes in this one. Um, you know, regarding enrollment trends. Um, you know, based on the comments and feedback that I got from the last meeting. Uh, you know, we're not going to be going out looking at new fancy facilities, but still maintain diligent oversight. We currently are doing that at the district's fiscal health while exploring innovative strategies to address enrollment trends and ensure responsible stewardship of public resources. That was the biggest change uh with that one and that in that bullet uh then just tweak the revised you know
006typically we get quarterly budget updates anyways and then an annual report you know more as needed I guess on that the enrollment of different things. So we see and typically we're kept pretty aggress. Um and then the last one I eliminated the the first bullet uh because most that stuff had already been done um as far as the support the leadership transition. Um and I think that was about it on that. I did tweak the now the second one a little bit with in regards to the professional development because we we found out that he has access to a lot of that stuff. So I think everything is there. Any other questions, comments, feedback on it? And like I said, we're not going to tonight. So you can have these look and we'll talk more
007about the goal number two after the regular meeting. >> Yeah. And I would just say that the conversation that Kirk and I had in preparation for our work session this evening aligns with the bullet points and the documentation as part of that. So I don't have zero concerns with respect to the direction. >> And I just want to say thank you Brent for the work you put into that. It's quite a bit of work and thoughtfulness. >> No, I apologize for not getting it out sooner, but life happens >> and it's a big job. Um, and then the other thing I'll just mention since talking about that is, um, you should have all got an email for the superintendent evaluation, too. >> Hopefully you're >> I didn't see it. >> Okay. >> Let me know.
008We didn't because that should have came out two days ago or something like that. So, we'll have to set a time and stuff to get that done by and review it. So, um, all right. And I I should say I ended up going back with the old format just because I didn't have time to go through the whole the new thing that they had. Is that where the board goes? That was the WSB thing. >> Oh, no. That was a superintendent bill. >> Yeah. I didn't wasn't having time to go through that. >> It's very convoluted. >> Yeah. So, I just dusted off the old one. the survey monkey one use that I tweaked it a little bit uh one of the questions on HR talked about um implementing a new HR system which we
009are not asking him to do not ask him to do so I took that out changes the same that we've used for years all right next we'll move on to the child care rate discussion >> yeah so um in in as I indicated in your board update and on the attached documentation um Rita and Jess working together had uh brought this forward and of course Rita is here to answer any um significant questions that you might have but generally upon review of child care centers in the area. Um our rates are significantly lower than most if not all. Um and you see that there's a trend that of course as with anything else they increase over time because the cost of doing business continues to increase in terms of staff and facilities. So the recommendation
010that the board's uh being asked to consider is a $10 increase um in September and a $10 increase in May. On that chart then you can see how those numbers would compare. You go from 195 to 205 for infants per day, 185 to 195 for toddlers, 180 to 190 for preschool, and 132 to 142 for uh part-time. And of the um centers that responded, we can see where they land and those numbers don't put us wildly outside of what those uh you know, other local daycare providers are are charging. So, um the purpose for bringing it forward would be that we think it's reasonable to ask for this relatively small increase over the course of this school year. >> And will you ask for us to approve May now as well? >> 10 in September
011and 10. >> Yeah. Yeah. We would handle the the year so that we can do the the 10 in September and and 10 in May. >> And how are we still comparing samples? still under after these implementations. >> It's not on the chart. If you look at the chart in your or you have and >> my computer's >> Oh, and also there's if you have spectrum, you can't anyway because there's no internet anymore. >> But if if I can put it up if you want me to. >> Yeah. So Matt, just for your knowledge, well looking for it, 235 is Oyola for infants and we would be at 205. So for infants, we'd move from 195 to 205. Oyola is at 235. Frederick's at 205. Avery's at 190. Unity, the only data we have in
012there is that they're lower than Frederick. Luck is at 230. And the Grove, which is in Miltown, is 300. >> And those the ones that are lower than ours are just they're just about to raise their rates, too. It's going to I mean, it's just everywhere right now because of the change in the government subsidies. >> So, the only one listed on this that's lower than us is Ary after the increase. And how big is that? I wonder. >> About the same as ours. I mean, a little less because they only have the one site. >> Yeah. >> So, that there's a pretty big uh opportunity there. See, 25 bucks. Um, but we're changing it uh to get a bit of more, but we're trying to draw I don't want to shock families. On the
013other hand, aren't we not in the black anymore because of such? >> It's a That's so we as of now we're still doing okay and we have because of um fund 80 we're always with the levy we're always going to be doing okay. >> Okay. >> We as far as it being a moneymaking endeavor it never will be. Yeah. >> Um so we're in the I mean I hate to >> it depends on how you look at it. Without the levy we are definitely in the red. >> With the levy we're still in the black. We no m we would have if any daycare in Wisconsin that wanted to make money would have to raise rates by $100 per per kid. >> Yeah. >> To make to make any money in a daycare. It's absolutely
014not feasible anymore. Um the Grove is starting a lot higher than us >> and they get subsidies from the company that's >> So we're still we're trying to keep it. It's a really tough balance because we want to keep it the whole point of it was to serve families. So, we're trying to keep the price in a point where they can still pay, but >> also where we're not having huge gaps that's going to make it the >> make the make it harder for us to stay in the black even with the levy. >> Yeah. >> But we will still the grants didn't get taken away. They we still do have the grants. They're just less money. >> Okay. All right. So, yes, some follow-up questions would be so the levy is where the taxpayers
015get charged a fraction of a penny or something per 100,000. Is that what that is? And >> correct. They help with >> Yeah. So, fund fund 80 is levied locally outside of uh the revenue cap, which is our general funding structure. Fund 10, fun 27, fund 50. >> Um and fund 80 can be le levied outside of the revenue cap and set unilaterally by the school board. The dollar figure that's been tossed around with respect to fund 80 back filling quote unquote child care is I think 40 or $50,000 a year. Um in terms of what that impact is on the local levy, uh you would have to look at a case by case scenario, but frankly it's not $40,000 levied among all of our equalized property value is is not a lot of money,
016>> right? >> Annually, I'd be surprised if it's even $100 per year on one of the more expensive homes for for that money. See what I'm saying? I don't know unless I have the specifics, but it's not a high amount. >> Yeah. And so, is it appealing? Okay. So, we'll be at what 215 in about a year. Um, is it appealing to be really the lowest in the area? >> Not kind of. >> Not not really. And that and it no, it I don't. So, here's the thing. It doesn't matter because the the need is so great. We still have 170 kids on the wait list. So even it doesn't matter our but our goals when we think about what our mission and vision was when we began this whole thing. It was to serve
017the community. Um and and so that's what we try and we try and really make that our driving force behind every decision and keeping prices as low as we possibly can understanding it's never going to be a money-making endeavor. So, no, I don't think I mean it doesn't I mean we could raise rates as high or higher than the growth and we'd still probably have kids in there. It's just that then we become a a center that serves only the halves. You know what I mean? >> And if you have your rates too too low, I mean, we already are at a competitive price point arguably on the lower end of that spectrum. >> And and as Rita said, we have 170 kids on the waiting list. So it isn't we we have no capacity
018to serve those kids anyhow due to space and and staffing constraints. And so even if we were uh to remain cheaper and continue to backfill even a greater amount over time, we would further exacerbate and not continue to serve the community anyway. So really what it is is following that finding that proper balance point among what Rita's indicating is the service to the community and ensuring that we're a child care that can serve our diverse community but also cognizant of circumstance and making small modifications over time >> and 215 puts us in the middle of the pack. It doesn't leave us at the bottom. >> Yeah. >> Raises to the top. Not that it matters, but the price point that's listed for the Grove, is that the public? And do they I thought maybe they
019were offering like a discount for their like staff >> for their staff. >> They do offer They do offer a discount for their staff. Yep. Mhm. >> And just on a separate note, what did we find out about um oh preferential, you know, placement on the list for, you know, people that are going to open enroll in St. Croy or are within the school district and are not open enrolling elsewhere. Is that allowable? >> No, it's not. >> No. I mean it could be but I think it becomes such a logistical nightmare. >> Um you know and if you have kids who you I mean you can say you're going to open enroll here but then not you know so that would be an easy way to bump you could say any parent who found
020that out could say not that I think parents are trying but you know >> they could just say it and then they get then they get up on the list but the people who've been waiting for a spot forever never do. >> Yeah. And so, uh, one of our goals was to, uh, you know, try to encourage, uh, discourage open enrollment away and encourage open enrollment in >> Yes, I'm so glad you brought that up. This year, we're trying something new. So, I do feel like what it has been I feel like one of our goals was to encourage open enrollment with the child care, and that hasn't panned out. And so, I took a deep reflective dive this summer and asked myself why. And I think some of it's a failure of leadership on
021my part. And I'm going to be there more at other functions trying to make sure they know. I want them to get to know me so that they know if they bring their baby here, I'll love their baby. Just, you know, I I think that will be helpful for them to see the connection between the daycare and the elementary. We are also working with the state licenser to see if we can open up one room at the dresser elementary school for our 3K kids for our daycare kids. once they have started school in the dresser building, it's going to be hard for them to want to >> not stay. So, those are the two big, you know, when I was reflecting the two big things I thought we should be doing to encourage more open
022enrollment because that was one of our goals. >> Yeah, that was our main goal. >> That was our main goal. >> Oh, in my mind, our main goal was to serve the community. >> Yeah. to that was always my and with a with the hope that we would encourage open enrollment >> probably evolved too >> because of enrollment now going down >> so >> and uh pricing incentives not going to help like because you said you got two plans the two changes. >> A third is not priced. >> No, because again I don't know how how you would you know I guess you could say we could do I mean certainly we could explore the possibility of saying if you open enroll your older kid we can give you a price break at the child
023care center. Um I mean that's we could certainly talk about that if if people are interested in talking about that. >> Just an idea. I'll throw it out to Jess and see what she says and then we can come back and check in with Craig about it. Does that sound like a plan? >> Because didn't somebody say that like what half of our kids are actually going to go elsewhere or something that are in the daycarees? >> Yeah, half are. But that's because they live in the OEO school district. So they come they're they're it's not really about it's not our kids leaving us. Um, none of our kids who live in our school district are saying, "Well, we're going to go to Oyola." It's their these are kids that live in the Oyola school
024district. So, >> our daycare is the only game in town. >> That's the thing. So, I would point out that when you're talking about something like child care with 170 kids on a waiting list, we can see what the need is. So, I'm sure that there's some people that have kids in child care here that wouldn't want them here if they had a choice because they don't want to drive as far as they have to drive to get into our childare. Now, it's great. I'm not saying I'm not talking about the quality >> because of course it's very high quality, but on the same hand, >> when you're talking about open enrolling a student, there's broader um functions that uh are are taken into account. Someone could have their kid in the child care um
025in St. Croy currently and they live 3 minutes from Oyola High School. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. >> They're going to, you know, uh, make a comparison as as a family with respect to where my where where do we live? Where am I going to spend most of my time u when my kid gets to, you know, ex age, that sort of thing. So, I would just simply say there are elements that I think are beyond your control with respect to open enrollment and I think too that tie rather than Rita berating herself with respect to leadership because I >> No, no, I'm not berating myself. I'm just saying I need to do better. Yeah. But I don't I I I don't know. I I I also don't want the false pretense that that's
026going to have an impact on decision-m for families because in many cases it has to do with much more than just I know for a fact my kids going to be super well taken care of and really love going to school which they're going to get here. You know what I'm saying? I recognize that. So I don't mean to underell that. >> But just rationally speaking, that might not be enough of an incentive. Again, if I live that >> if I'm across from the elementary school, my kids probably going to go to that elementary school because I don't have to deal with bringing them somewhere. >> I appreciate that. We do offer a bus at the child care centers, too, the pickup slot. So, that's always possible to sell that to parents, too. Remember, you
027can just You've been dropping your kid off at daycare anyway. You keep dropping your kid off at daycare. We'll pick them up there. >> Yeah. So, so really it comes down to like like your 3K idea is kind of interesting and maybe they'll love it, maybe they won't, but >> so it's just kind of come down to an occasional family might just really enjoy their kids' experience at our daycare and they go, I've always identified Ocio livea darn it, I like it there. >> So, we just kind of hope that >> we do have many moments this open enrollments from us at the elementary school this year. We do have a lot of more open enrollments at the elementary school this year. >> Why? I don't know. It doesn't have to do with the daycare.
028So, there are older kids and and things like that. But I do think there's more I could do and I'm going to do those more things. Maybe it'll only end up one kid. And I appreciate your comments very much, Craig. Thank you. So would there if if your idea that you just had about the the three-year-old at the at the building. So then would there be three cohorts of three? One at peace, one at Saints, two and then >> No, that so we and it's all so every day the daycare landscape changes every 20 minutes. >> Sure. >> Literally. So, but what what the plan right now would be to have the threes move there and then open up another room for infants. Our biggest not of course you don't make money in daycare with
029infants, but that's where the greatest need is. So, we can open up more space at at both piece and assuming we can get staffing. That is the that is the big deal. No, people stay forever once they get hired at those saints. But I will tell you quite honestly, The Grove is now paying $20 an hour per childare worker and that's going to that's going to give us a a pretty good hit and it's going to be hard for us to compete with that. So, the hope is to hire more staffing and and um bring threes out of those buildings and into the 4K building. >> Any other questions? >> Is there a reason why you wouldn't uh increase the to $20 right away in September. Is it to be like progressive and all the
030families to adjust? >> Yes. >> Are the Frederick Avery, Unity, and Lock all run by the school districts? >> Um, yes. Y >> All right. Any other questions? All right. Thank you. we'll move on to the 2425 budget update. >> Okay, I'll start with the 2526 budget update because um the quick answer is that we don't have solid numbers for you yet, which is why there was some documentation provided with your with your board packet. The reason being twofold, we're still working through numbers from the state with respect to the new binding budget and um running some calculations with uh special ed. Um, as I talked about in our last meeting, that special ed reimbursement rate has been increased. And the thing is is that when we're running budget calculations in that regard, the increase
031is proportional to the expenditure such that it can be on a sliding scale. And we uh want to try to do our best to dial those numbers in, be as accurate as possible. And then I would also say that we still um struggle with uh the new cumulative skyward and getting it to spit out the kind of reports that we'd like it to. Um so there's a piece of that as well mostly because we're still um locking down budget numbers because as you can see there's a skyward cumulative report for the 2425 school year. Uh but it's different once all the numbers are inputed and you're just doing a a roll down and wrap up of the budget year. So you will hear 252 26 budget numbers. As far as a forecast is concerned, I
032would argue we're probably going to have a similar scenario to what was presented last year, which is about $100,000 swing to the negative or to the good. Um in terms of the new budget with the with respect to what our staffing scenario looks like as we move into this year, I don't see anything wild on the horizon. Um meaning we could be minus $100,000 or we could be plus $100,000. And I would guess that that's where our budget will shake out somewhere in that mix. That could be way off, but that's the the the feeling that I get talking about and evaluating large whole numbers. Keep in mind and as I lead into the 2425 budget, a 2% modification to a budget of um 16 17 $18 million is a lot of money. >> So
033when you talk about a 1% or 2% budget difference, you're talking about a pretty significant figure. when somebody says, "Oh my god, a million dollar. How did you not know that you're, you know, or $500,000? How do you not know you're $500,000 over budget?" Well, that's uh you know, less than 1% of our budget. And so when you talk about it in terms of percentages, it does start to make sense and it and it adds up. Um so when we talk is there questions about 2526 before I move into 2425. >> You want me to think about that next month? >> Yeah, probably. I think well by October for sure because statutoily we we have to but it should come into sharper focus by September I would argue. Yes. Yeah. Um and as you know
034uh for those of that have been on the board what you see we tell you in September might be slightly different on October and then frankly there might be a budget adjustment that happens um as you see the the changes as it you know comes through the school year and they stop stack up. But yeah we should have a much better picture come September. Um shifting in then to 2425. One of the things that transpired was um after rolling down accounts and doing some further investigation and identification of how we ended. You can see on the uh sheet that was included for you June 25th budget uh board report, pardon me. The top half is our um expenditures and the bottom half are our revenues. So if you're looking at the top half, you can
035see that uh the expenditures were uh projected at 15,929,000 and came in at 15,960,000. Um so 99.81% of the budget. And so that was pretty much pretty much on meaning that had we um not underestimated our revenue, we would have been pretty much flat. we would have seen um basically a zero or a balanced budget. And as you recall, we approved a minus $70,000 budget to start the school year last year. I told you that swing could be up to a minus 100,000 to plus 100,000 somewhere in that ballpark. If you go down to the um revenues that are listed on the bottom half or the second half of that page, there's a couple of um notable areas. Um about halfway down the page where you see pupil transportation aid revenue, we had projected 85,000
036and instead we took in 107,633. So there's 20,000 uh uh $20,000 right there. Common school fund revenue, which generally is money in, money out. Um, so I want to be clear, it's common school fund is like a grant. It's not a grant, but we have access to it for things like technology and and supplying libraries. If we spend more and we claim more, then you have more revenue is the way that shakes out. And sometimes you can get common school fund revenue in the prior in the in the next fiscal year from when you made your claim. So that would be a revenue in 2425 when the claim could have been made in 2324 if that's making sense. which travels two uh calendar fiscal years, pardon me. So that came in at 82,000 and we
037had projected 50. So that's another 30. So now you're already up to $50,000. If you look at state revenue through um or pardon me, Sage districtwide Sage, that's about I'm going to say 2/ird of the way down the page. 326,000 came in versus an estimated 200,000. So that's achievement gap reduction. Sage is what we called in in the old days, student achievement guaranteeing education. And that's just not updated in the database for the financials. It's not consequential what it's titled, but that's what it is. Achievement gap reduction. And so that's aid from the state. Um that comes in as revenue. And again, there 126,000 over what we were anticipating getting. Um in my experience, what ends up happening with AGR or Sage dollars as they are stated is it's it's um not some sufficient. So
038you don't get the same amount each year. you get an amount that's based on a prorated calculation based on use through districts throughout the state, which means you can go up, you can go slightly down. Arguably, um, we'll probably utilize the 200,000 or maybe we'll inch it up to 220 or 250,000 in next year's budget because I would rather have an overestimation in expenditures and an underestimation in revenues when we're talking about having you guys approve a budget. So that's ultimately what it comes down to. So that we do have a stand a better chance of ending up in a sweet spot. So something like AGR revenue which can change on an annual basis, we're certainly going to underestimate and it's great if it comes in as it did in this case $126,000 over what
039we anticipate. And then the last one that I'd point out to is um computer uh aid districtwide and that's just under one line under the um the Sage. We came in at $96,899 versus 38,173. That's another $60,000. So you can see right there, we're accounting for the lion share of what we now know to be around a 300,280,000 surplus for the conclusion of the 2425 school year, which is fantastically positive news. I had to do some research because I'm going to plead stupidity uh with respect to why we had 96,000 in computer aid instead of the projected 38. So commut computer aid is is incorporated into your revenue cap sheet is where the line share of that comes from. So typically you should know what that fixed number is. Um the revenue cap sheet is
040prepopul we're responsible for the numbers but it's pre-populated by VPI. So when you pull those numbers over and you identify what you're going to get in most cases, if it uh LAR has in the budget 38173, she probably got it off the revenue capture or it was listed at 38173. This is not a random number we're pulling out of the air or something reasonably close to that. What ended up happening is that in 2023, Act 12 was enacted. And this is where I'm going to plead stupidity because I in talking with Laray was like, "What's Act 12? I'm not even aware of this and and I'm very confident not much if anything came through from the state with respect to informing school districts but it's $58,000 from 96,000 down to 38 which we had projected
041which is a good chunk of change and and thank goodness we received that aid but why I thought was important question and what it is is that act 12 eliminated the personal property tax um and that of course does not have anything to do with school districts But it does have to do with the well does in terms of municipality funding of which a school district is considered a governmental entity or a municipality in terms of the the um distribution of aid. And so there would be some personal property tax based aid that schools would receive. Okay. With act 12 that being repealed, they had put into place act 12 uh in 2023 which is to address the foregone personal property tax revenue and give municipalities and other government entities um a more predictable source
042of funding. So I don't know that that means every year will now be 96,899. We still have to do some the additional 58 I should say. We still have to do some more research on what that looks like. I'm inclined to think that again this will be something that does modulate over time. 2425 would have been the first budget year that this act 12 actually had um perview over even though it was passed in in 2023. So there you go. When it's all said and done um we underestimate or we were pretty much right on with our expenditures 99.81% which is pretty darn close to 0 9% away and um 019, pardon me. And um underestimated revenues by 2% or 2 and a half% which is what accounts for that um surplus gap. So technically
043good news. When we see um this all wrapped down and the numbers are are certified or are are finalized by our auditors, we'll request um likely that the board transition those dollars to uh fund 46 for our facilities fund so that we have, you know, rainy day facilities money that we can set aside and not have an impact in um state funding scenario for this budget year and forward. But that'll be a different day. Any question? >> I didn't do it all, but thanks. >> You do a big part of it. >> Yes, she does. >> Any questions? >> I have a question on the expenses. So, even though we were pretty close on the expenses, some of the categories are significantly above the threshold. Is there anything notable? You kind of walked through the
044revenue side of it. Is there anything notable on the expense side that we should be aware of? Yes, I appreciate you drawing me back to that because I just skirted over that and I have notes here. I've prepared and I just didn't even talk about it. I don't know why. >> Right on. >> So, thank you. So, for vocational curriculum and for physical curriculum, that's just when you send a curriculum budget, it's going to be kind of a cast forward based off of what you might have done prior years. Um, and I would be lying if I told you where our 548 and 424 came from. So, I'm talking about the uh or pardon me, our 423 and 382 came from. Um, when I say that could be um an average over the last three
045years or five years, it could be the same number we used last year just cast forward. I'm not certain um how Laorray actually dials in those numbers. I'm not calling her out. I'm just saying you can budget this in any number of ways. You could also see those be just flatole numbers, you know, 400,000 and 300,000 and 500,000 and 400,000. The point is is that those dollars are set aside in those accounts for curricular purchases and sometimes those curricular purchases exceed those numbers and sometimes those curricular purchases do not. In this case, we didn't make curricular purchases in terms of um uh vocational and physical curriculum. So what ends up happening is that um oh well, pardon me, we did. So those incrementally had to had to be increased for the uh 2425 budget and
046make those modifications. We didn't spend the dollars and then they went uh down from 548 to 423. See what I'm saying? And 424 to 382. So basically those are dollars that were unspent in curriculum that we could have had access to or that were budgeted for but weren't items were not purchased. Is that making sense? When we talk about um pupil services, um that's the one down you see 72% right under the instruction double line there. Um, that's another one that is at 72.9%. And why is that low? I will emphasize that's not fun 27. That's not special ed. That's pupil services line. That has to do with counseling and some mental health things and uh primarily staffing is encumbered in that. Um, and that's the majority of what the change is because we have
047um two new counselors in the in the district and and among other things that make that swing. So you have individuals that leave um a role at a higher salary than people coming in and that accounts for much of that difference there. Uh board admin you see is 40.71%. Some of that's encumbered via legal fees um and miscellaneous other items. Sometimes those dollars have to get spent and sometimes they don't. And so you'll see that that's a fund area where um we're going to place some dollars in the event of an issue where we can we can dig into that uh border admin or you know legal fees. We get into a pickle legally speaking and and before you know it the budgeted 341 is 500,000. So that can go um in any number of
048directions, but it's always good when you can see that that's well under spent which admittedly is part of the plan. So, we wouldn't budget that number there hoping to spend it all, but you're going to of course allocate dollars as you understand your revenues. Um, and then building admin uh principles, it was uh uh 798 in the budget and it dropped to 686, which is 85.91% of the total. And um that uh too has to do with some changes changes, pardon me, that we had in um staffing and transitions. So um yeah, so generally what ends up happening is we know that if we do our budget um for again expenditures on the high side um our hope is that we overestimate on expenditures to a degree not while underestimating revenues so that we have
049a budget that's arguably going to be um you know either zero or very slightly negative or slightly positive as we conclude a fiscal year. That's the plan. Part of the reason that school accounting gets a little bit of a a bag or a black eye is well, you should have known that. And in some of these cases, you don't know. You don't know the ins and outs of personnel um from the start of a school year to the end of a school year. Sometimes you add personnel. Sometimes you lose personnel. You get positions open that you don't fill or that you can't fill. Um insurance, that's an easy one. We know what our insurance costs are going to be, but we don't know what the increase is going to be. So you're going to budget
050based off of say a 4% or 6% or 7%. Well, well what if we get a 12%. We shut the market. We got a 12%. Well, we didn't budget for that. So you're going to see swings there. Very little of what we actually deal with as a district are fixed costs that remain constant for the entirety of a of a fiscal year. And so that's where you do your best o in terms of budgeting to ensure that you're in the ballpark or in the realm uh but also underestimate or overestimate expenditures to a minor degree and underestimate revenues to a minor degree so that we do find typically that we have good news at the conclusion of the year and if we don't we can describe why that would be and initially I had emailed
051you about the $150,000 higher fund 27 transfer from fund 10 that is legit that didn't go way. The difference is is that the additional revenues um and some of the under expenditures can cover that that difference and after all the numbers rolled in we found that we were positive. So >> looking at that part of it for next year, do we anticipate it being that again based on the same kids coming back? You know what I mean? >> Yeah. So part of the difficulty there too is um and and when we start finalizing numbers and putting that in too that that's a conversation LY and I will have um shooting from the hip I would say yes we're going to anticipate spending at least as much and with maintenance of effort you're kind of there
052can be some swing maintenance of efforts federal um law that has applicability to the states with respect to your special ed fund uh spending you can't go below a certain threshold without um valid reasons otherwise you're in violation of uh maintenance of effort which is part of IDEA and in federal um statute. So the point is is that yes, we would likely budget for that higher um special ed number that could come in lower, it could still come in higher. Keep in mind that if we have a student with special needs that comes in the district district resident typically because our open enroll students um special education program is full. So those open enroll applications are closed and we don't we deny open enroll applications for special education because we have our programming is full.
053But if we have a district resident move in with a unique set of needs and they're a very high cost individual, we uh have to incur those costs under statute. We don't really have a choice in the matter which means we have to hire staff if that's what's needed or we have to buy specialized equipment or if we have to make building modifications, whatever the case may be. So that would be encumbered in the fun 27. you can't really plan for that because you don't know um who comes and who goes. So um in an in essence, yes, we'll budget the higher number and then hope that we actually have to transfer less pretty much is what we're going to be. >> Any other questions? >> Probably more than you've already for. >> Always thorough
054explanation. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. Uh we'll move on to the lease on the top floor of the fivepoint Blinding Woods Road wrestling space. >> Okay. So this of course is not for action. It's just to begin the conversation. But as the board and many community members including anybody that was involved with wrestling is aware. Um we are struggling with wrestling space because we have um over 60 athletes between boys and girls wrestling. Um and although our wrestling room is much larger than it used to be prior to the the construction of the new weight room, it's still fairly undersized for um even you know just the guys team. Um and and so we have struggled with um finding space in the facility. In fact, a few weeks they were wrestling on the
055stage in the fine arts center, which of course ruffles some feathers justifiably because again it's an auditorium. But on the same hand, we're trying to figure out what to do so that we're not having kids practice at 8:00 at night or 6:00 in the morning. Uh, and that we have um, you know, ability to continue to run our programs. They of course use the stage at the elementary. They use the the um gym space when that's available if both the ball teams are on the road. So, our wrestling team ends up being the group and they use the space upstairs, but being and ends up being the group that gets moved around to various locations based off of uh space availability just because of circumstance. There really isn't a lot of other options. So, throughout
056the course of last year, we had some conversations uh internally about what do we do to rectify this? And one of the things would be well, let's construct the wrestling facility. Well, you're talking, you know, conservatively two, three or four million dollars. Well, that's not going to happen. Um, of course, in the short term, uh, what the future hold, God only knows, but, uh, we need to figure out some solutions to the problem. Um, Marine Yunker had reached out, um, I think it was this summer or late last school year, late last school year is when it was, and said, "Hey, uh, here you might be looking for some wrestling space." and we had um I'm going to say loosely evaluated some potential other options with you know Joe would raise some questions and so
057forth. Um but they have the building that Trap Rock Brewing is in that's right over here on Blandingwood. So of course it's it's walkable distance. It's probably the same distance as walking from here to the track. Um so viable in that regard in terms of sending kids over there. They have 4,000 square feet of largely empty space on the second floor of that building which they are willing to lease. Um, and I'm not telling you that this is a guarantee. There's still some things that we have to talk about with Joe whether or not we move in this direction and and so forth, but it seems to be a viable possibility to um provide some additional space for our uh wrestling program. continuing to utilize our existing space that we have here as well as
058the elementary stage and all of these other things that we've been doing over the last several years. Um the terms uh of the lease are there uh for you included. Um what they had shot me as a potential monthly figure would be 1,900 a month. Um I think they would be very flexible in terms of realizing that we might if we do end up entering into a lease, we might do it for a year, we might do it for two years, we might not do it. I mean, I think they recognize all of those things. I would also say that there's probably a bit of flexibility with respect to what that um monthly uh cost would be, but still um of course not going to be free. Um so somewhere in that 1900, 1800,700 a
059month ballpark. Um but that was the potential solution for consideration. Um, another expense would be the um we have mats that we could put up in there, but we would have to line the walls likely with um some kind of padded mats just for safety. Um, and to give you a visual, it's basically stairs up on either end. And there are there is um restroom facilities up there and running water of course and basically just a massive 4,000 foot open space. There's pretty much nothing in there. Is there any um because breweries have to be in an industrial area for you whatever reason but is there any concern about having something else in that building? >> Um we had talked about that too and what would end up happening is that we would have access
060to one entrance that would not have access to trap rock. Right. So there is the the front door to the place for trap rock doesn't you would have to go into trap rock and then get access to go upstairs. So that can be cordoned off and um our athletes would enter through a back entrance and there's ample parking over there um through a back entrance and then get access to the to the stairs to get upstairs. So they would be sequestered from from tra. Yes. But I mean like they can't open up this brewery downtown because it's not uh should know this. My wife does this but >> Oh yes. >> It can't be zone >> for because they have the big beer making equipment and all that. Yeah. >> Is there any concern about
061having something upstairs especially? >> I don't I don't think so. I mean operating a brewery is not inherently dangerous as it were. I'm sure that, you know, access to the brewery has to be limited, which of course we would do. Um, we have not made any contact to our insurance company with respect to what that looks like, but we would absolutely have to do that, too. >> Yeah. >> Um, the lease that was in our board packet, it says it's the lower level and you're saying it's the upper level. Is this just an example? >> This is an example and that's a that's a draft of what Trap Rock has for their lease. And then the response was what we would have be very similar to that. Is there a bathroom? >> Yes. >> I
062I have some questions. Um we have all kinds of sports at the school and um are there other sports where we spend 24,000 23,000 a year in leasing fees? >> No, we don't lease any facilities. >> Okay. >> But we also in most other cases have ample space for sports to to be conducted. >> I mean we could lease a basketball team instead so could have the gyms. Just a matter of finding additional space for >> one of our programs. >> Yeah. Well, of course, we need to be informed of cuz other sports have been told there's no money because it's not they're not popular enough. So, I think we need more information. We need to know like how much we invest per student in like maybe from Terra all the you know per student
063how much we pay um what what do we get in spectator revenue I suppose wrestling produces spectator revenue football does volleyball does basketball some don't so maybe it is justifiable by the spectator ticket revenue um but uh Um I'm trying to think of again what what other you know what other programs do we are we willing to spend over the course of say 10 years for example. >> Well so >> $200 and some thousand. >> Yeah. And I would argue this would be a short-term solution. I don't think that the district would want to lease a facility for perpetuity. I think that's insane. uh whether it would be, you know, the potential purchase of a of a space that's renovated, whether it be uh a renovation of one of our buildings to accommodate wrestling. The
064long and short of it is we have over 60 kids in wrestling. The space we have available is not functional. It does not serve the needs of the program. In 20 years, we might have 10 kids in wrestling. I I don't know the answer to that question, but we can only do what we can do with the available information. So, one of the arguments that I and I'm not I don't mean to argue with you, but a point that I'll make, Matt, is I coached cross country when I worked here, uh, you know what you need for cross country? Nothing. >> You need shoes, right? >> And so, I think based on that argument and and clearly we could charge revenue for getting people to come and and watch cross country, which admittedly would be
065smaller than wrestling. But the point is is that I think as soon as we we're we're in in a bit of dangerous territory when we're looking to equate use of space and cost of doing business with um the the relative value of a program and I'll cite um this beautiful addition that we have here because if you talked about the total cost of this auditorium which is absolutely phenomenal amenity for the city or for the community and for the school district and our students and our programming and band and choir and trauma and you added that all up on a per student basis, that's going to be a wildly higher figure than 24 grand to lease a facility for wrestling. See what I'm saying? >> Same thing with a gym or with uh you know,
066whatever. So, I get where you're coming from. What I would throw back is to say we're looking at how we solve a space issue for a program, not valuation of the program or what the program brings. And I also would say that is this because they're an awesome program only in so far as it's got them 60 plus kids involved because if we had I don't know if we had a state championship boys and girls basketball team and each of them had now we have two gyms in the same building so maybe this is a mood point but each of them had you know 30 40 kids per squad and we're like guys we can't this we got to do something here and the foreseeable future is the maintenance of that we would probably be
067talking about, okay, we got to figure out how to add gym space or do something different here. You know what I'm saying? So, it is it's about wrestling in so far as that's the program that's impacted. Their success and involvement, I think, is is is um uh the increased numbers are a result of that, which is is great. Um but I think when we equate the value of a program to the overall cost of facilities to operate that program, we'd have to look at a wide variety of things. And you're going to see all the way from, you know, $10 per kid to something like I mentioned with the fine arts center, 10,000 per kid over the the term of of how they're served. And I wouldn't say that we would lease the space forever.
068We need to figure out that problem. It's a problem and I think we're going to see it as a problem for the next several many years. You know what I'm saying? I just do. And so I don't think a district wants to get into leasing facilities for 10 years. I don't think we want to do that. We would like kids on site. That's going to be the best thing. How we accommodate that, again, I I don't know what the answer to that question is in the short term. Clearly, we're not asking a referendum question, but we are going to need to do something space-wise, and it'd be best to do that in house, but that's not something we can do in the short term. >> Can you lean on the uh to uh you know,
069rent half the space or uh suggest that they discount their rate by half or something as sort of a community effort or >> I mean, they'll be open to conversations, but you know, keep in mind they're they're still business people. Um, and they still have to be >> meet certain, you know, expectations for themselves and the in the operation of the building. >> I don't know to what degree. I know Marine and excuse me, Marine and Joel are great people and they're very very community-minded, but you know, I don't know. Um, I know we can talk about that uh to a degree. Um, I was going to say something else, but it's slipping my mind. >> How many months of the year will be left unused? >> Um, well, so if we think about it
070in terms of uh wrestling, we're really uh what, November, December, January, February, and sometimes a little bit of March. And then of course there could be opportunities for youth wrestling and that sort of thing. So I don't it wouldn't be used 12 months a year. There's no question in my mind, you know. Um we can figure out things to probably use it for for other purposes, but generally no. It wouldn't be, you know, booked up solid 12 months a year. >> But we'd have to pay them 12 months. >> Yes. >> It it might I wonder though for more use though. If you talk, >> if we have it, >> if Yeah. If you have it, there might be opportunities for the coaching staff to kind of figure out how they could do more wrestling
071throughout the year or do more of something season. I bet they have more space. >> Well, you can coach year round though except for one week. >> Correct. And I would I know what I was going to say earlier. half the space wouldn't be beneficial because frankly um between Joe and some of the other coaching staff the 4,000 square feet isn't sufficient to do 60kit practice out there. So we're still going to have to do some dancing around even with 4,000 additional square feet. >> What does the square footage that they have right now available? Like how many like how many kids by adding this extra 4,000 square ft does that accommodate? >> I I'll get those numbers for you. I have them back in my office and I don't remember uh the square footage
072of the wrestling room and the old weight room. The old weight room is that area that's back against the boiler room and that's I mean you can practice back there with maybe I don't know six kids or four. It's small >> and then the space that's been the wrestling room forever. Um and and I don't mean to put words in Joe's mouth, but he said it'd be tied up there practicing just with 14 guys, which is your standard wrestling team. That's what they've done for years. I'll throw that out there. You know, there's always been decent wrestling participation. I don't think 60. That's probably because we've added girls. Um, but I remember back in the old days when I was AD, there was still probably 25 30 kids involved in wrestling and it's super super
073tight up there. So, wrestling in space constraints has been a thing here for a long time. And they've juggled time slots like the JV team practices at this hour and >> C team practices at this hour. >> You got I mean that's 60 is just the high school. >> Yeah. It doesn't include the middle school. >> Yeah. That doesn't include middle school or >> the boys and girls program which the girls there's like >> huge >> like 20 girls in the middle school that are wrestling. It's it's big. So >> what do you got? But for this summer program, there was over 100 kids registered, 115 for all the events and they were coming in pretty much every over 100 is through standard. >> Thanks. >> And we're leveraging the other gym space at the
074elementary. I'm assuming they used to use that space wrestle on the stage through the Hampton. Yep. >> Just the stage. The gyms are full all the time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, wrestling has been basically anywhere that you have an open space. And part of the problem is that it takes a lot of space for wrestling. Even the stage, which is a very large area, I think they can put out one mat. Was it Mike? >> I think it was one >> or not even a full mat. >> And that's a huge space. >> So, arguably to fit the program, what they would need is like three mats of space, which is a lot. Perhaps the booster club would consider a whole lot >> potentially. And there's some conversation about the potential of the the building itself
075being sold at some point in the future. But I we're not even going down that path. It's not something that's listed. We're not in the market for purchasing, but we have to do something for wrestling. I can't stress that enough. It's not it's not vital and it's it's tough when and think about it from a coaching perspective, too. And now I'll go on my my rant with respect to the program. If I'm coaching cross country or track, I stand outside and I can have 500 kids. It doesn't matter. Um, but if I'm coaching basketball, wrestling, or something where I'm I'm indoors and now I've got three locations of wrestling happening, what am I how am I doing this? >> You know what I'm saying? So there are um logistical things that end up uh transpiring
076too that make it much more complicated to uh continue to do an outstanding job which I will say are this is not coming from um our coaching staff and and school staff hollering at me saying we need to do something to community members. This is from me dealing with this from last year and I'm not saying we don't want to deal with it because we're going to have to figure it out as we move forward. But we got to problem solve. I mean, Mike and Taran and I spent because it was crazy. We spent a lot of time figuring out what to do with wrestling last year and more than once I said, "This is nuts. We need to figure out something more long term for wrestling cuz it's tough. And this wouldn't even be
077the best solution. The best solution is that they have a space where they can all be or the vast majority of them can be and then we go from there. There's no scenario that I can see where that's a possibility in the short term anyway. Is there any, you know, concerns? I mean, I mentioned the zoning and all that kind of stuff, but what about just general building regulations and stuff? Like, you know, I'm obviously familiar with hospital stuff. We don't have to be that strict, but is there any of that that we'd have to take into consideration before you start throwing kids in buildings? >> I don't think so. Um, that building is uh Joel explained it to me. So, if you go inside, it's a raptor system on the inside and it's wrapped
078with steel or or tin or whatever they wrap it with. And um they're here heated girders that are that are um uh on a foundation, a buried foundation. There's not a basement in there, but then the the second level is actually like that spanrete that was set on top of that. So, it was bolstered more to add that second level because initially it was a wide open You remember some like a knitting mill maybe or something? It was a wide open building. No, no, no. Somebody stored their sailboat in it or something. It was something weird. I don't know. They gave us the whole story, but it used to not be a twotory and that second story was added. So, I have no question that it's it's up to co and very safe and stable.
079This is not >> Hback. >> It's got its own Hback, heating and cooling. Second floor, it's all um separated. Um, so yeah, I mean it it's aside from like the walls, it's updated and nice. Aside from this outside the outside walls, >> isn't the fairgrounds buildings? >> I was wondering the same thing. >> It's closed too. Maybe they do it for half or less. They have huge buildings. Restroom facilities are a question that I know we've looked at fairground facilities for other things in the past to know. >> They need water. They need access to >> restroom and water. >> Otherwise, they're all around >> other than like 4 building. >> I think that's the only one that has water >> and restroom facilities. Well, sure, but I think it does have restroom facilities. A
080huge building and it has heat and a kitchen, which means it has water. >> Do they use it except for fair and leasing to graduation parties and stuff because there's six six months available for >> 600 bucks. I don't know. >> Yeah, I was just wondering if there's any other like building considerations. I mean, I recognize it's a a challenge that we need to figure out and so if there's any other like opportunities. There was another pole shed building that's up in the Walmart uh industrial area. I think the rub there. So, one of the neat reasons that this is attractive is proximity to >> because um I mean we can have kids drive but you get into car pooling. We do not have the transportation available to have a bus sit here and haul
081kids back and forth to an off-site location. Um so that would be the limiting factor in my mind. And if we get in, you know, if the board's like, look, we got this space. It's way cheaper and it's up here behind Walmart and kids can drive then kids can drive. I mean, we can make that work. But that would be one of the limiting factors. Water availability, restroom availability were the other limiting factors because I'm pretty sure didn't Joe say that the one that was up there doesn't have but could have it added or something like that. So I think so. >> So yeah, I mean we did fair grounds. Yeah. Back to the fairgrounds though. >> And I've never talked to anybody about the fairgrounds. >> Yeah. No. And I can do that. We
082can figure that out. It's massive, isn't it? It's flavor here. 4,000 square feet. Is it concrete floor? It is. >> Yeah. Is it insulated? >> That's what I'm wondering. >> I can't picture insulation. I don't Are those walls finished on the inside? >> I don't know. I'll make a few phone calls. >> They might shut off the water. >> They might drain it. >> Maybe. >> That's a good question. >> If they're bringing in money, then they just keep it heated. I don't know. Yeah, that's worth a look into. >> The other thing that may be of consideration if there's any further conversations is if they would consider just leasing for a shorter period of time for like the initial kind of season of use to at least like kind of fill a void till
083we can figure something else out so that there is maybe something in place. So they consider, you know, whatever the season time frame is, if it's six months, just a short term >> potentially >> or brainstorm other users if they're not going to budge um >> on a year. >> The problem with wrestling is that you you put the mats down, you don't pick them up and put them down and pick them up and put them down. >> So sharing the space during the wrestling season would be a non-starter. >> I meant not I meant off season. >> Oh, sure. Yeah. And that would be since we don't own the building, that'd be on them to figure out, you know, and that would be something they would probably identify if we said I'll vote for
084six months. >> Well, he's saying if we had to do the full year, right, looking at other opportunities to use the building. >> Oh, yeah. Well, we would do that. But I'm also not going to spend our time trying to find the lesser for months we're not using it because we're that's, you know, I mean, it's a limited use space. It's a giant open space. I don't know what else. >> I do wonder if some of this spring sports have an opportunity to use some space because I mean it's not uncommon that you'll find uh a youth baseball team practicing on a hill because there's no like parking lot space if there's weather issues with like track or snow or something. I mean there are other like spring sports that would use it when wrestling
085is over and those early >> Yeah. March, April gets pretty hairy with gym space. >> Yeah. >> For bad weather, right? I mean baseball track already like it's a bit >> weather and April and sometimes May and >> no one >> yeah I I think we'd be able to figure things out >> but absolutely saying you know would you consider a six-month lease there's no reason we can't ask that question >> any more discussion on that we're not approving that tonight so >> no I'll get answers answers to these questions and we'll bring it back again in some more details. We're um Terry and I are meeting with Joe oh prior to our next meeting. I don't remember the date, but here in uh later August and so we'll have some more details in that
086regard too. And hopefully all the questions are answered by then. And if it's on the agenda, we'll look for approval. If it's not, I'll give you a reason why. >> All right. Anything else? Anybody need a break before we go to the board meeting? If not, I'll call the board meeting to order. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Rice >> here, >> Sheena Rager >> here, >> Ben Mily >> here, >> Ronnie Scheler >> here, >> Brent Mccertie >> here. All right, we'll move on to the consent agenda. And on there is the uh the expulsions minutes from the expulsion hearing on 79. I'll take a motion to approve those.
087I'll make that motion. >> A motion by Matt. Second >> second by Dasha. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion has carried. Uh upcoming events. Uh Monday we have all teacher inservice starting at 8. Right. >> 8:15 is when the big shind well 7:30 is when we start breakfast and pictures. 7:15 pardon. Breakfast and pictures that kind of thing. And then 8:15 is the big big shind day. I would encourage board members to come cuz I'm going to do an icebreaker and you don't want to miss it. You do not want to miss my icebreaker. It's going to be fantastic. And there are certain employees that if they put in sick time or any kind of leave time for that day, I'm going to deny it. >> I
088do plan on being here. >> Uh I'm having fun, but there is going to be an icebreaker. It's one that everybody can enjoy, though. >> Where am I at in the agenda? after the icebreaker version. You and I are going to do the icebreaker together. I'll call you up on stage. >> Film this, please. >> It's going to be all right. Now, trust me, if you don't know me well enough by now, I'll just break it to you. I'm not an icebreaker guy. So, there's more to this story. I'm just I got to I got to leave the teaser out there, but there is going to be an icebreaker. >> One more reason for the recording. >> Yeah. >> All right, >> you're on it. You have to video it. >> Okay. uh among other
089great things. By the way, it will be serious portions as well. >> Uh then we have our second B meeting on the 26. Does it say 26 and 28? >> Well, that's school. That's our jump start. Yep. >> 27th is the next board meeting. And then of course September uh first day of school and then our regularly scheduled board meeting on the 10th and then of course we will have two meetings in September. on the 24th will be the second. >> Can I before we adjourn to executive close session, can I read these announcements? >> Absolutely. >> We have one from the Nelson family. It says, "Your kind and thoughtful expression of sympathy is deeply appreciated and gratefully acknowledged." Signed, the Nelson family. And we have one from Brian Ecker. It says, "School board and
090Mr. Borne, I want to say thank you for the gift card to Menards for my retirement. This was above and beyond Under Park. When I first moved here, I didn't know how long I would stay. I ended up never looking to leave. This was because of the people I worked with and the district I worked for. The school board especially was always so supportive of kids and teachers. Thank you. Brian Eard, former seventh grade teacher. >> How many years was here? >> 15. And then I have a letter from Kinship of P County that says, "Dear District Administrator and board members, thank you for your continued partnership with Kinship of Pulk County. We received your check for $2,000. Your financial support will allow us to remain a strong asset in your school district. Caroline Tolixson
091is the kids kinship coordinator for St. Paul's. She will continue to work closely with the guidance staff and teachers to provide positive mentoring experiences for both middle school and high school students in your district. Please don't hesitate to contact Carol Leo with any questions you may have. Thank you again for your support of mentoring and the benefit it brings to students of all ages. We love working in your school. Thank you. And it's signed by Lisa. >> And I would say kinship is awesome. It's awesome for the middle school kids and it's awesome for high school kids. And are the middle and high school kids the ones doing the mentoring or being mentored? >> The the uh high school kids mentor the middle school kid. >> Yeah. >> They do not I don't believe. No.
092And they do. I mean you'll see uno to basketball to wait room to I don't know coloring, knitting, whatever. It's super interesting what uh kids decide to do with one another. And lo and behold, I'm not aware of any issues. Mr. Wilson, you >> you know? No, nothing big. No, not no. >> I mean little things because kids are kids. >> Yeah, >> kid might be a goofball one day, but no, not not real issues. No, >> there you go. >> Good stuff. >> All right. Thank you. Uh, with that, I'll take a motion to adjourn the executive close session pursuant to section 19.851c of Wisconsin statutes. I'll make that motion to executive close session. >> A motion by Tino. >> I'll second. >> Second by Don. Any further discussion? Roll call vote. >> Matt
093Rice. >> Yes. >> Tisha Raer. >> Yes. >> Don Mily, >> yes. >> Ronnie Scheler, >> yes. Brett Mccertie.