001Okay. All right. We'll do this. You all ready? Okay. So, we'll call this There she is. We'll call this meeting to order. If you all please stand and join me in the pledge. >> Michelle, are you standing? >> Ready? >> I am. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All good. Thank you, sir. >> Awesome. Thank you. As we begin roll call, I do want to point out just for recording purposes that Spibo is joining us via um digital. So, she's here. Um we'll start with roll call. Um I am present. Miss White, Spibo >> here, >> Miss Hunter, Mr. Flity, and our superintendent, Mr. Scheme, >> here. Thank you.
002Um for items on not on this agenda this evening does not appear as if anyone is in our boardroom, but um we do provide opportunities for our community to speak. Um under the Brown Act, we cannot comment on such items that are not on the agenda, but we are not ignoring such items and can refer those to our cabinet to follow up with our community members. But for items that are on this uh evening's agenda, I'll identify the appropriate time for public comment. With that being said, we'll move on to um our one agendaized item this evening, which is bond presentation. And I believe Mr. Schumake, you have the floor. >> Yeah, good evening. >> And uh Michelle, thank you for joining us. I know Faith's sick. Hopefully you're not as as sick and get
003well soon. Uh our study session this evening is um a discussion around a potential November 2026 bond. Um team tonight is coming into tonight with uh an agenda one way or the other. Um I think if you probably surveyed us individually we have an opinion. Um but really tonight's just about us um listening. We have six specific questions that we wanted to ask. Not going to spend a whole lot of time on the bond background. I think this board's probably more educated than most in the county on the bond. So, be really light on that. And then as we get into each of the six questions, we're going to pause on each slide and then have an opportunity for the board to comment. Uh we'll be taking um notes and listening and um obviously asking
004questions if we have any. The the our intent tonight is just to walk away with some action steps. There's not going to be any decision by the board like yes or no. It's just as we listen to these questions, we're going to have some information to gather and bring back to you at some point to make a thoughtful uh decision. Okay? If if you recall the last time we went through this process, I didn't even bring it back for you to vote on um there was I didn't think there was a there was a pathway to I think the term we were using there's a pathway to victory and a pathway to defeat and the pathway to defeat was paved. And that didn't turn out quite to be true uh with some of our local
005bonds, but um just uh at that point we just had pushed pause on it and really didn't want and we were a little later to the game than we are right now as far as just um with our internal thinking. At least I was. I'll speak for myself. So tonight um you might have to click on it once. There we go. Yeah. Tonight just um I'm going to ground our study session in a in uh a quote. We're going to talk about the why the need a little bit about the bond at time is going to be based on these six questions that we're going to ask you. So I I I saw this quote and I could not figure out who said it. I probably could have chat GBT cheated but left it alone.
006But I thought it was such a great um example of just the way we've handled ourselves is like you know it's one thing to just put on our thing. or building a culture of excellence or culture of excellence, but there's all these steps that have to occur in order for us to really get to that. And tonight is just one of those steps about us building a culture of excellence and it might us find that we're not going to put a bond on and that it might lend itself towards us saying, "Yeah, let's we're all in. We're going to go for it." Um, but it's got to be built, maintained, and renewed together. And that's really the spirit of tonight. The why is as you know is just our aging facilities and um most many
007if not most of our portable classrooms are just have exceeded their lifespan and uh what we're doing now is they are still wellkept. If you went into them you would not necessarily there's there's a few that you like we need we need to spruce this thing up but most are really um still functioning okay. Um, we've replaced carpets in many of them. We've painted, we've taken that, we basically rebuilt the portables, stripped down the siding, we put roofs on them. So, we've we've been maintaining them, but just as a structural unit, they are definitely aging. Um, and so the the intent there with a bomb would be I love this quote about just moving beyond this patchwork maintenance and replacing them with permanent. They'd be most likely modular classrooms. you can get a lot more
008bang for your buck and they have a still have a very long lifespan. Uh and then we've also talked about that we're going to share with you tonight some other options that might exist with our upgrading our furniture and just creating this modern learning environment. The other piece to the importance of the state matching fund is I know that we have our fund 40 and we have our solar money that we've been setting. you saw the presentation Jeremiah was able to do and Lisa this um when was that in August about the incredible work that was done with our related to our facilities um and it was and I'm going to use my word and we still have a lot of work that we just we're not going to be able to catch up with
009with the with the amount of money that we're setting aside annually. we're going to be able to do some really still amazing work with that money, but it's not going to be able to catch up to the portable um and the need. Um and also the piece here is that um passing a bond allows us to amplify just the money that we have with state matching funds. And so you can see there we've got five of our seven schools are eligible for a total of 11 million. And in order to access that 11 million, we need to have 7.5 million. Um and a bond allows us to um access an additional $11 million for us. So um you can see there there's incredible value in in almost well doubling our the the if we if
010we were to contribute the 7.5 more than quite doubling I guess. I got to do my math. That's superintendent math 86. Yeah. Yeah. Lisa's like what are you talking about? And so as you recall in two uh 2023 when we presented our facilities master plan at that point uh we were being told we had $80 million in need and $60 million of that was related to portables. So I believe at the time I think our bonding capacity at that time was $73 million was what the rough right around that number was how much. So, even if we went out for the full bond, we weren't going to have enough to address the uh the 80 uh uh total price tag. And of course, we know that since 2023 that that price has gone up. It
011it just does. And um this that is not that price had a facilities master plan did not include any furniture or technology. It was just really about just tell us what it's going to cost to replace these portables, some of the bathrooms, some of the other structural pieces as as you know. Well, um typically if we have our uh bonds that are placed on an even numbered year do a lot better than um than those that are not put on a uh specific or on an even number year. and that you can see below the state treasurer's office has said when you're on an um even numbered year 92% of those bonds have passed which is a pretty high number and I I didn't look up the passage rate for 2024 but it was high
012um and our all three I think it's on this next slide yeah all three of that bottom rate that bottom one there oh there it is I did look it up 77% of the uh statewide bonds pass and our the three local Black Oak Mine, Lake Tahoe, and Pog Pines. Um, those all passed as well. They were very close. All uh Lake Tahoe did not find out. I I want to say, let's see, the election was on a Tuesday and the following Thursday. So, what was that? 9 days later, they still that was when he heard because we had a superintendent council and he he announced that he just got off the phone and that they had gotten over the line. So, it was very close up in Tahoe. um poll pines and uh black
013oak m black oak mine actually was another one that was very close and I don't recall what the poll pines I think it was it passed a little more readily if I but it was still it was in the high 50s it wasn't like a 60 or 70% that voted for it um up top there you note that we do have to have 55% of the voters just a reminder that's not 55% of our families we could get 55% of our families to vote for this tomorrow I I believe I don't think we'd have to advertise it. I think there's just a tremendous amount of trust and energy. Um, and I'm also a very positive person, so I tend to believe that would pass, but I also I also understand that this would be the
014second bond on the on the on the people's tax roles, and that has an impact, too. So, it might publicly be saying, "Hey, yeah, we're supportive." And then privately, maybe not. Um, and then the the uh tax limits. We don't know what the uh at this point we haven't done the the groundwork to hire a company to tell us what amount we could qualify for. It's based on the assessed values of homes. It's your bond capacity. And like I said, LA the in 2024 it was Lisa 73 million. Is that that's that sounds like the number in my head. >> Sounds about right, but I can look it up. >> Okay. Um but we don't know what the bond capacity would be. that that's not that's out of our skill set and and uh so
015we'd be reaching out doing that until we get further down the road. So before I jump into key questions, is there any information there? I I tried to be pretty light on that simply because we did so much uh leg work before 2024, but I also realized that that was a year and a half ago and there might be some institutional memory that has faded. Are there any questions mechanics of the bond or the background leading up to it that anyone wanted to ask before we just dive into conversational questions? I apologize for not um asking this earlier, but I would be intrigued in looking at if you can go back Jim, one slide, please. Thank you. Uh Black Oak Mine, Lake Tahoe, and Hollic Pines. I would love to know what they did leading
016up to their bond um to feel comfortable enough during that time period. Um if I recollect our economic conditions were a little uncertainty. Um obviously we saw a potential changing um in the executive office in which it did happen. Um and so timing wise I was just curious what what they did in setting themselves up for enough confidence to place it on their ballot. >> Yeah. Like to speak to two of them. I don't know about Pollock Pines but I can call Kim and ask her. Um, Black Oak Mine put up two signs and did not do any type of advertising. I mean, they said they did some word of mouth and but they literally bought two signs in the community and then um uh did not have any like they didn't have like a
017strategic plan like we're going to go meet with Rotary, we're going to go meet with these groups. It was just we have a need, we're going to put it up there. Oh, yes or no. And then >> two sides, >> two big two big signs like at the corner. >> Yeah, like like the half the size of the wall, you know, like or a what a 4 by8 like a Yeah, like a 4x8. Because I'd asked Gabe cuz he was like we he was a brand new He just been named the superintendent, I want to say. Um and he was just like, "We need it and we don't have the time to to uh or the energy or the man power, woman power to really tackle this." And so, um, they did very, very little.
018>> They were uncertain of their community's temperature. >> They didn't even survey, um, South Lake Tahoe, my understanding, and that's to say South Lake Tahoe, um, South Lake Tahoe, their board was the driver for it. The board and the superintendent really wanted the superintendent was uh, um, supportive of it, but was had also met with each individual board member just to say, I don't think this has the legs. Um, but if you want to put it on there, but you know, there's a probability that it might not pass. They I want to say that was their third consecutive even year that they had put it on. I might be off, but they just were putting it on every other year. Like, we got to just just put it on and people are going to have
019to pass it at some point. And then again, I don't recall what Paul Pines uh did. I do remember her saying, you know, she had a lot of chicken dinners with like, you know, the Seroptimus and the Rotary and she's in Rotary there. So, that was an easy an easier one. But I I can certainly that's a great question. I can certainly look that up. >> I kind of along that same vein, but maybe in reverse because I I can't remember. But, you know, we we did try to go out for a bond and it didn't work out. Did we do we have any information? Um, did we I don't even know if we did any like you know um you know followup with people or do we have any indications of what our community
020was concerned about because I think that would help lead us with information that to answer some of these questions. I I can't remember if we did any you know you know after afterwards if we did any interviews talked to people but I just think that information would be really helpful because if people came back and said you guys wanted to do XYZ and we didn't think XYZ was a good idea or I didn't like that there would be two on the ballot or or whatever it was like that would be I just think really um helpful information to have to kind of know where our community was and of course this was a few years ago so our community has evolved. >> I did not see anything from followup. So everything that I have found
021and when I looked and spoke with IM adviserss who were >> they didn't they didn't share they did not do any followup after and I think a lot of it was because it was COVID at the time so >> shut down >> everybody was shut down so I don't think that it was necessarily >> top of mind for >> the administrative team to to even go back and say oh let's go check in on that. I think >> sure >> there was I think there was just such a large distraction at the time. >> Sure. >> Um >> we could talk to our survey people to see if they think it's worth asking the question in a new survey, but I don't know. I don't know the r that's not my forte to know what
022the risks are and bringing up why did you say no then versus >> yeah now now everybody's in a different mindset five years later. Let's focus on that. But I I did not see anything and my assumption would be with the distraction of COVID that that they probably did not even consider it. >> Okay. Okay. And if we don't have the information, the data, it's a good point. I just it was worth asking. >> Definitely a good question. Yeah, it would be it would have been a good good question and it would have been good information to have. Um but ISM sent everything to me that they had >> they did >> from that and it did not include anything afterwards. >> Okay. >> I know >> cost the cost to take a bond through
023and then there there was a lesser cost to really pull the community, right? Do you remember those? >> It's about $35,000 in 2023 when we s to survey the community. And then there's there's if you recall we had a company that vendor wanted us to spend about 100 120 on the >> campaign >> and that's where we've that's where we felt like we were very behind the eightball as far as that went to Kim's question about um just anecdotally when I talked with Cheryl and Dave about the bond when I got got hired and I was just getting up to speed and I remember Susanna George uh also Echoing this, it was that there were three bonds on the ballot in 2020. There's rescue, loss, Rios, and the high school. So, I think people were
024like just bond fatigue was one. Like, I'm not putting three new tax bills on my >> and the state bond. >> Yeah. And that's right. Was that Prop One, I think. So, yeah, there's four, I guess. So, I'd heard that just the timing was just like everyone went at the same time and it was like it's not just rescue bill that's going to hit my doorstep, it's going to be all these other ones and that there was already a bond for rescue on the on the ballot that people were resistant to. And that was what we found when we surveyed in 2023 was one of the things we'd heard was there's the second bond on wasatic or could be and the economic uncertainty that uh Michael alluded to was ultimately why we didn't bring it.
025I think the term we used I can't remember who said it. I think it was either Jamie or or Michelle that just talked about we're going to look like we're tonedeaf. I think it was Jamie maybe that Do you remember saying that? I'm gonna say it was Michelle >> and we can't see you Michelle so you have to just talk if you want to talk. >> Um so as we get into uh key questions this is some of the information that we wanted to gather tonight. So this first question is just about community priorities and we wanted to get your sense on what facility improvements or investments are most important to our community. We've list we've listed a couple there that are on there um to to choose from. Um the other piece that I
026want to follow up here with just to see what type of energy it generates is um when we were in San Juan, I want to say this was in 90 uh probably was 98. We were going out for a it was a billion dollar bond at the time, 790 plus some other stuff. And We linked signature projects at every high school. In fact, you Delcampo has benefited from that certainly in Moro, not Moroi where Michelle's at now, but each high school was able to they had a pot of money. I think about $10 million that they were able to survey their community to say, "What do we want for our school?" So, we're gonna The bulk of the bond went to pay off or went to back and portables and stuff that's very boring. Um,
027unless you're an HVAC uh installer. Um, but the what generated the excitement in the communities was just this idea that each school was going to have a little something. So I want to just partner that question with this is look at that where where do you hear the need or see the need or feel the need with your kids or the people you that you talk with and also does the idea of a signature project at a site that each site would get to determine does that move the needle in people's thinking in the community or is that just a a a nice wish list but not as important? Can I ask one question before we answer this question? >> Michael, you just got to be on the >> um the the last focus in
028need was on the portables. The cost again was a little less than 80 million, right? >> It's 80 million total need and 60 million of that is portables. >> Okay. And of the 60 million, how much I assume we did a survey or do we understand from maintenance like the lifespan is how long? And they're all built around the same time, right? There 50% of these portables that >> like Rescue's portables have been there quite a bit longer than Lake Forest portables. So, um, and Jackson's have been there for quite some time. So, they weren't all put in at the same on a site they were, but districtwide there's a quite years. I want to say they're about 30 years for portable. Does that sound about right? I think we're well past that. The lifespan
029is typically between 25 and 30 years and they're they've all exceeded that. >> Gotcha. So, it's really it wasn't like let's do some now and some later. It was kind of all or nothing. >> Well, that that would be our that's part of this conversation is it you know if if you if we if the board was to say, "Hey, I think there's a lot of energy in a in a signature project and we want to carve out x amount of dollars per school." it just bites into the amount of portables we're going to be able to address. So at at that point and next um uh facilities evaluation um tool that um we're going to be engaged in I think we're going to talk about can you kind of >> are done >> these
030really should get done these could wait um and because we're not going to be able to address well probably not going to be able to address most of the portables depending on how much costs have gone up we might not even be able will address all the portables if we just put the money towards that this time. So, question one is in front of you diving in. Yeah, you're um I like the examples that you had placed on that first bullet point. And so, if I kind of just quickly address each of them. Um, I do think there's a concern about aging portables. Yes. Modernizing classrooms and upgrading technology. Um, is that important? Yes. Do I think it's highest up there? I actually don't. Um, I'm proud that we have Chromebooks for most or all
031of every student in our district. Um, that doesn't even touch on the iPads that we have for our TK, Kinder, and maybe First, if I recall. Um, I know that we've got the smartboards and I I feel like we are doing good with our technology usage, getting that in the hands of our students, making sure they know how to use it, can use it, can take it home, etc. Um, would it be amazing to get a brand new chair for every student in our district? Of course it would. Is that what I think our community is wanting? I would lean towards no um because there are higher priorities and I think portables are definitely one of them. Um we live in a pretty active community in terms of youth sports and I think fields I
032know fields are an issue for every sport that uses a field. Um no one sport supersedes the other but they all struggle with fields. We as a community struggle with fields. So I think that is a very interesting piece that the community may lean hard into. Um safety and security I think is huge on the priority list. However, I would say that we work really hard to keep that at the top of the list and I think we do a great job with that. Um and then energy efficiency. I'm just going off of your list. Um which by the way I like all of those listed. I think that we're doing really well. I mean, our solar project and our solar savings, I think, speaks volumes and never mind the fact that we've done a
033lot of HVAC upgrades, um, etc. So, to just go specifically off of the ones listed there, that's where I personally lean and I think that a good amount of the community would maybe agree. >> Okay. And I'll finish with the signature projects and then I'll let my colleagues chime in. I think the signature projects are a great idea and I think the community will really lean hard into that. >> Yeah. >> Oh >> yeah. Go ahead, Michelle. >> Sorry. Am I inter am I interrupting someone else? >> Not at all. I I would like to echo Jaime's sentiments about the signature projects and being a part of um a district that did that. I think that I think it just gives um some personalization to the bond and because we do have kind of um
034you know different needs in different priorities at different places, I really think it would speak well with the voters um and give additional voice as well. So, I really I really lean into that option. I don't know what they would be. I think I'd be speaking out of turn if I if I said I knew, but um I definitely think that would be a plus in our favor. >> Yeah. One of the things that um Thank you. Uh one of the things that we did was we did not identify what a sign project I'm just talking about Sam Juan. We did not identify what the signature project would be, just the amount that a school would have to spend roughly. And then um because it's a pretty extensive process to determine what that's going to
035look like. Um and also I will just tell you it is fraught with board. It can be fraught with board drama because you have competing interests that show up that want a new stadium at a high school and the science department wants a new science wing and the CTE program wants theirs. And so it becomes it does pit people a little bit against each other. So I I do I just want to acknowledge that the potential for people to get excited and then riled up exists with that. Um but at the end of the day I think um and what what ended up happening is the community ended up not deciding what was going to happen. The board ended up having to decide what that school was going to get. Um which uh there was
036some there were some very pleasant meetings when the community rallied around and everyone knew what they wanted and it was clean and then there I remember sitting through quite a few where it was really unpleasant because everyone was like wear your shirt, show up with your sign, you know. So, I want to just keep that in mind that if we decide to go down that road, I really want to talk through it with you because maybe we don't it's just something we need to talk through. >> I love the idea of differentiation, >> but I competition. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Yeah. >> Not to dive deep on this, this can just be a yes or no. Is there a possibility of putting parameters on that signature project? >> Well, yeah. I mean, it's it's
037at the directive of the board. So, we I mean, I think the key key would just be we're very limited with what we can put in the bond narrative. So, >> Oh, that's right. It would probably it would be in the resolution. So, in the resolution, um you define as a board what we are allowed to spend any of the bond dollars on. And so you could define that within that resolution any parameters you want. >> So just define it like signature projects. A signature project will occur at every site. >> I I I didn't I wasn't around I we did not do signatures. So I would be interested to see how Fan did the language. >> Yeah, that's >> their bond. Um, but I know that when you go out for a bond, there's
038a resolution first and that resolution defines and narrows and limits what the money can be spent on. Um, it can be written in a broad stroke, but it can't be so broad that it it's anything under the sun, right? So, there's still limitations that would be driven by by your language. So we would probably, you know, as we move down the road, look at the facility master plan, you could decide how we want to define what those signature projects look like. If you decide, I would be interested to see how San Juan did theirs with the signature project, >> but you could say and a signature project within the scope of technology, turf, whatever. like if you wanted to set limits, you could do that within the board resolution is would be my assumption. That's
039how I would envision it. >> I just think about number of exchanges we've had with community members about shade. >> Yes. Shade structure. >> Such an interesting topic. You know, you never think shade is so important, but I'm curious how that expensive it is. Yeah. And it's very expensive. Yeah. We're dealing with that. >> Ridiculously expensive. Yep. I'll in a little bit um in on signature projects um in someone that's gone through them in the past five years. Is that kind of the process at >> Sam? Seven years >> start to to now I guess. Um, I think the one thing that's unique about signature projects for communities is it's kind of like um my wife and I just had to recently fill our air conditioning Freon unit because it was u it was out
040and it was blowing warm air during the summer and I think it might have cost us $1,000. And the unfortunate thing is that um it felt very different than spending $1,000 like on a new appliance in our kitchen that we would look at and see and use on a daily basis and it's beautiful and shiny. You don't really see the freon in our air condition. Um and not every day do you turn the air on and it's just kind of sitting there on the side of the yard kind of out of sight, out of mind. The unique thing about signature projects is the community actually gets to for the most part based on the project they get to see their investment on a daily basis as they drive by it. A lot of the sign
041projects, correct me if I'm wrong, Jim, um were almost um strategically located in a marquee manner that the community when driving by the campus would see this brand new beautiful building. >> Yeah. And it and I believe all of the signature projects in San Juan or at least most were some form of building. Some was used for science, some was used as a common space for students and learning, some was used for the arts, but they were all these massive huge buildings. So when you drove by the school every day or dropped your kid off, um you saw your investment much like the new appliance in in the kitchen versus Freon and air conditioning unit. the money's going out, but you're not really seeing the fruit of that investment. And so I would say that
042um the one value in signature projects is our community um I believe at least in talking to people felt as if their additional tax was going towards something very specific they saw on a daily basis that added value not only to that campus and learning but to their home values based on the modernization in some sense of their campus that either their home was in or near their kids were attending. Um, and so I I think it's very creative. I think it's it's it's really smart um when exploring the subject of a bond to have the idea of a signature project at the forefront >> um and being a part of um this idea. Um I really do on the other side of it which is the the challenge in dialogue among members on an
043individual campus what it should be used for. I went through that as well. Um, and saw how competing interests um attempt to influence and juxtapo opinion so that the signature project aligned with their um subject matter that they taught so that they got the new building or that their program was the one the investment leaned into. So um navigating through that to ensure that that all learning is important, all learning is valuable. Um I I think is definitely a craft or skill we need to intentionally >> focus on if signature projects are going to be on our agenda. Um and and Jamie as um someone as well that embraces athletics and what it does for all learners um as a place to belong, I always see a need for modernizing facilities um outside as well.
044Um, I still would love to see a breakdown at some point in um fertilizer and water and equipment and maintenance and gasoline and taking care of natural surface areas versus artificial and what the the long-term financial implications are or savings um on those opportunities. Um I I would love to see a breakdown on that at some point maybe too if if that is at least I'm staring at you. I'm sorry but I I know that um we have all entrusted in you um data related to our investments and and our trust in you. So um those those would probably be some of um my points of interest um with question number one. Okay. I think also just being able to um determine what the market value is for these fields. I know when I was
045the president of youth lacrosse, the our biggest expense by far was Oakidge High School renting it nine times nine Sundays a year. I want to say it was like 37,000 bucks, something like that. Jamie, you probably know. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. What is it for a Saturday? I know that comes with the scoreboard and the stadium, but the field alone is what we just needed. We didn't necessarily care about the scoreboard and the >> I'm I'm going to say this off the record because I don't do the financials, but I think it's $1,000 for a Saturday. >> Okay. >> And maybe maybe that's maybe that's only four hours. >> Okay. There is a potential SD um I can't imagine the CSD would not get that road and turf becomes a part of it. wouldn't help
046with gene. >> Sure. >> Because they absolutely are getting crushed about the whackup fields. >> There might be some strategery that gets involved that gets involved there. Um, our next slide is Sorry, I'm sorry. Um well I guess because the goal is to um we want to get it passed and I think we've all now expressed and I think everybody recognizes that having some kind of signature project does sell um and make people happy. You know it's like just what Michael was saying. I mean they drive by they see it they feel good about it. I think that uh I think we can all sit here and say, "Oh, I think this section of the community would lean more towards fields," which I think is huge, by the way, or you know, uh or towards
047um the portables or whatnot. But I think that in I think that the more things that we identify in our resolution, the better shot we have. Now, I realize we can't just put everything down and not be able to do it. I mean, we can't misrepresent, but I think that if there's a way to go um maybe broader and not as deep, I think you will get more support because, you know, there's somebody, you know, we all say, "Wow, most of the people we talk to fields are such a big deal and you hear about it all the time this field and you know, CSD, so all these things." And yet there are people in our community who who do not care about fields. You know, we may not talk to them, but they exist.
048And their thing may be, you know, um something with technology. So my thought and suggestion is to um potentially uh go a little broader maybe and a little less deep to let everyone feel that they are getting something for their tax dollars and along with that I think the signature project does that. I had a a thought on that. I don't know. I don't know. But I was thinking I wonder because everyone's talking about if we just allocate each site gets x amount of dollars or whatnot and then there's going to be you know a lot of uh you know disagreement people have different ideas whatnot. I wonder and I'm not a marketing expert so I don't know. I wonder if we did something where to build excitement for the bond like each site could
049already be discussing what their signature project is. So people are already like really getting buy in because they're already talking about it and now envisioning that they are getting whatever their new play structure um you know building for XYZ you know whatever it is. Um and that also might make it easier once the bond passes to be able to like um because you don't want to have there be like a long delay. You know people I voted for this. I'm already paying for it and I I don't see anything. So it would allow us to move forward um sooner and build the excitement um in the beginning. But yeah, those are my thoughts. >> So just so um just because you said something about I'm paying for it and I haven't seen it. I just
050want to make sure that I want to remind I I know it was several years ago that we had government financial system uh services come out and do the presentation on how the bonds work and how we draw. Um so I just want to remind you something about the timing and when things may fall off and when we do our our bond is let's just say we go out in 2026 and it passes. We would do our first draw in probably 2027 because it would be November. So by the time we get it, it's 2027. We wouldn't do the whole 75 million at one time. We would do 20 million the first year. So that's all that's going to show up on your tax role is series 1 for 20 million. And the taxes related
051to that first 20 million. Then two years later, we probably would do another 20 million because it may take us two years to do that. So, you're not going to see the whole $30 assessment at one time. You're going to see it in chunks of based on 20 million, 20 million, and then maybe the last 15 million if we go out for a total of 75 million. Um, so, so I I mean I understand what you're saying, but I just want to kind of h make sure that we're all thinking about the the the way it it will start showing up on our tax role, but it may start showing up in pieces, not all at one time. And by the time, so if we're doing it every two years, if we do our first
052one in 2027, the second one would be 2029. And in 2030, that one from 93 is going to drop off before the third 20 million comes and then the last 15. So just halfway through as we're making draws, one will drop off. So that will be kind of the timing of it. >> Sure. Understood. Just as we're >> I think what I was talking about more was how um the community would perceive it, right? vote for this bond and the full amount. Yeah, >> it takes a long time, >> but to like what Michael said, it's like you want to showcase here's what we need for you. >> I know that was one of the issues we had before when with the other bond is that there were still so many things that hadn't been
053done. So, we had to like bring it back and kind of go through and say, "Okay, what was in the resolution? What did we say we were going to do?" there was still money sitting in the account and we had to like go through and go, okay, what are we going to do? But anyway, just uh that's kind of getting off point. I my my thoughts are just I just think if we go a little broader, I think we're going to be able to pull more people in. I think the signature project will pull more people in. I personally I I hear um fields I mean that's just like such a common thing, but I know we have people out there that may not. So maybe if we're, you know, looking at it through the
054lens of trying to give everybody something between going a little um less deep and more broad and uh having the uh having the signature project I think is giving us the best chance for success. >> Great, really good feedback. Um, our second question is not as elaborate as that first one, but just just curious about when you you hear the word bond or you're at barbecues talking about bonds, you know, are is there is there Yeah, every conversation goes back to bonds. Um, yeah. Are people do you sense that there's this level of urgency or is it uh nope. Michelle um Bibo a couple years ago when we were doing this was just saying like we talk about how many different ways you can measure the health of a district and she was just saying
055we got great test scores kids feel safe. Our community is telling us we're doing a really good job. The buildings aren't the problem. >> Yeah. like that's not top of mind for and Michelle if I'm mis quoting you uh my apologies but that that really resonated with me like yeah you know that's right if you're not working in the building and all you're doing is looking at all the other metrics that a district produces you're like but the buildings are fine let's let's invest in teachers I think in uh supporting teachers so um I'm just curious what's the sense that you get if this if we were to place this on would people be yep it's a good time to finally address this or are we tonedeaf? I guess are the two real far where
056are they? Where are we on that scale? >> I'll dive in. I loved when Michelle said that. I think we all remember that and we often actually bring that up. >> Yeah. >> Um it was >> real. It was just real. Um, I'm going to get very specific with the word urgent and just give you a yes or no answer. Do I think the community sees an urgent need for a bond in 2026? I don't think the answer is yes. I think the answer is no. Could there be a really strong argument for it? Yeah. Let's go back a slide, right? >> Yeah. um right now, am I for or against it? No. Um I love a good healthy conversation and I love um going back and gathering information that we're asking for and or
057you know reflecting on I love when you brought up the uh resolution. I forgot about that. You brought that up and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I I absolutely remember his presentation on that. I didn't know that at the time. That blew my mind." And of course it makes sense. We can't just gather all this money and then go do what we want, right? So, I love a good healthy conversation. To answer the question, I did and that's all for now. >> Flity. >> Yeah, I I agree with Jamie. I I'm not hearing uh anything urgent when it comes to a bond. Um, and I think we're in a community again that is content with the success and proud of the success of the district. Um, however, again, to be able to differentiate, compete with
058other districts, create some pride with some specific projects, I think we could rally the community uh around these ideas. the the other the other question I have for the leadership team uh and we've probably already done this but I'm curious going back a question what you guys hear as well um from from staff from the community yourself if you're seeing something different or if you're seeing you know one aspect where people are more passionate yeah >> about other than what we know which is the physical constraints of >> of the portables. Yeah, that's that's I would say if you ask our staff, the portables are number one for them, especially at particular sites. There's a lot of energy about getting the um you know, I get asked a lot of questions whenever I'm out and
059shade is from the community members and usually our PTO uh folks, it's shade and from our our staff, I would say by and large it's portables. those that are not living in a portable right now. It's not even like, "Oh, yeah, you guys should fix that." But it's not top of mind for them. >> Either of you want to You guys have both been in the district. Yeah. I was just I was just going to comment on our survey that we do with our community and we always have questions about our facilities and we get good reviews, good scores from our families and those that participate, but I also contribute that to the hard work that our facilities and management team does on them. So, they do a great job, but that doesn't mean there
060aren't facility needs, if that makes sense. So when you ask you look at a question like this, I think that they're happy with the efforts that we do to make our schools look great, but that doesn't mean that there aren't aging buildings. There aren't things that we're doing to fix them. And it's it's an ongo it's it's ongoing, right? So it's something that's that's continuous. They're not we don't have leaky roofs where like it's like, you know, dripping on kids in classrooms or things like that because our our folks work really really hard. But does that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah. >> Yeah. And I would say our um I would agree that our staff has that are housed in portables have concerns about the portables. >> Um what happens with a portable is
061as they age they start to smell musty and then there's always these concerns about why is it musty? A lot of times it's just the way portables smell. So then we're having to do a lot of things essentially rebuild them, right? We're tearing out floors, putting in new floors, new carpet, uh tearing off the siding, putting in new sighting, putting in new ramps. So, to Dustin's point, our maintenance team spends a lot of time every year on those portables. Um, you know, and that's just the way portables are. When you look at um permanent buildings, it's it's different. it it's a different um maintenance need. >> So, you know, then it's you're looking at stucco. Does the exterior have cracks in it? We did some repairs on on Marina this summer and at Pleasant Grove
062because every building as they age, there's something, but it's not as constant as they are with the portables. Portables are are very constant in repairs. Michelle, did you have something? >> Yeah, I'd love to. I'd love to just jump in real quick. Um, I I can't speak to the urgency either, but I do feel like there is some momentum on campuses regarding the improvements that we've made already. So, we may be able to leverage that momentum into some community agreement about the bond. Um just recently I heard overheard um a group of parents talking about the turf at rescue and another commenting on the um the new multi-purpose room. And so I'm wondering, you know, if we could use that like excitement or appreciation for the current maintenance and the current upgrades, you know, kind
063of like a good faith. Hey, you know, we're really this is really important to us. and then leverage that along with the excitement for what's happened at our campuses. Um I don't know if it would I don't know if we could parlay that into a sense of urgency, but um it certainly does seem like there's you know there's community appreciation and and content regarding the improvements that we've made that are you know big ones really. So please just lean in whatever you soon as we hear your voice. Sorry, Michelle. Thank you. >> That was great. Appreciate it. >> If you ever need anything to say, you don't have to wait. Just feel free just to jump in whenever you want. Okay. >> Thanks. >> I would echo that um that I am not hearing that
064there is an urgent need for anything. Um that said, my sense is that I feel like just um our community as a whole is feeling more like stable. There seems to be less, you know, volatility, uncertainty. We're not in COVID anymore. We, you know, the 2024 election happened. You know, we kind of had, you know, stability for a little bit. So, uh, I think that if presented right, I think, um, our community would be, you know, interested in in listening. I know we're going to get to this at a a later slide, but I mean, I do I do feel like we we've built up, um, trust. We we've shown that we're, you know, we're good stewards of um of the community's money and, you know, we do what we say what we're going to
065do. So um but we do have to get from like why now and there's going to we will need to come up with some ideas because you know there is a good chunk of our community who's kind of like everything looks good to me. I you know why wouldn't we just put money into teachers? I'd rather have lower class size. Um I don't I don't know. Portables look fine to me. And so I would say even though we know our staff knows and you know those of us that are more involved know about the portables, I feel like the public at large if we just went out for a portable bond, I don't know that it would be great. Um so I I just think that we are going to have to do a little
066bit of work to um I don't think we're going to be able to be like the superintendent who threw up two signs and called day. I think we're going to have to do a little I don't think that anyone feels that it's urgent, but I think we could we could get people um to support it. >> Mary, did you already have a chance to talk to this question? >> Yes. >> Like Kim just said, the the ma the main overwhelming topic I hear and I'll hear a lot of it is really class size reduction. >> Yeah, >> that's the one issue. And then Turner Athletic Fields you know, certainly is up there as well. But, uh, it's from what I'm hearing from the community, it's secondary to LASA. >> Jim, I don't know if this
067is maybe a good time to lean in and really reference the different forms of revenue into a district and what those dollars could be used for because bond money can't be used to pay teachers. >> Um, and I don't know if you want to lean in on that. It's come up a couple times now >> on specifically on class size or just on >> staffing salary. Yeah. >> Like I don't know that our like >> oh sorry I don't know that um that our comm our community is kind of like well we'd rather you know we'll figure out a way then rescue to make it about class side and not portables. You know what I mean? So that I think to Michael's point, it would have to be part of the presentation and education. >>
068Yeah, I could I could see that being important to people like understanding how money can be spent. Um, you know, the the one part we we want to be careful too is let's just say we did new portables and turf. That does not mean we all of a sudden get to reduce staffing that expand and use that money towards class size reduction. We're still tremendous need with upkeep. Um, I'll have to think about how you I'll I'll look at what some people have put in their Bond language cuz I'm I can imagine that's not going to resonate uh with people. I mean, I remember when Rescue was going out, was it 201 was that when it was or 2020 or I here and doing hanging door hangers? I think I've shared this before and in
069my my whole time I'm like I can't believe they're not just spending their money. wisely and and repairing this stuff on their own. You're like, "What? What? Why is it falling into such disrepair?" And if they just managed it over the time, you know, then you get into a different seat and you're like, "Okay, I get it now." Um, so I I think that vein probably runs through a lot of folks. Like you already get a lot of money from the state. You get more than half of the state budget. Spend your money more wisely. So yeah, I definitely think we're going to have to address that. um regarding those really I think there's two questions within that one in from my time in the community um I do not hear them um speaking of
070a need and um their um feeling in regards to a future election cycle is it's uncertain I have no idea >> okay so it's not just like I thought >> James Bond won Yeah, just because the movie was >> Yeah. All right. And that word urgent, um, as I'm hearing you talk, I'm not sure I would have selected that word because I think it really did. Yeah. So, words count. What do they say? Words matter. Uh, on a financial comfort, this came up with uh, this was really a lot of these questions were driven by what we learned from the survey the last time. Like just let's tease these out a little bit. So, I'm just curious um just I think that second question is what's most intriguing to me is just what what are
071the what how are we feeling um as a community? Kim already referenced this. I mean, we were in a different spot two years ago when we were talking about this. We didn't know what was going to happen in a lot of things. And I think there's I agree with you. There's I feel like there's a level of stability. Interest rates appear to be coming down. like there's just a lot of the mark stock markets higher. So there's a lot of we're in a different time space. So I'm just curious does that do you feel like the time change from a year and a half plays in our favor significantly? Nah, it's not really that big of a deal. People just don't want to spend money on schools right now or Yeah. 35 bucks for $100,000
072in 2023 maybe sound like a bigger deal than it does now. I'm just holding on this if you guys don't mind. Um I think numbers sell and so Lisa correct me if I'm wrong if you have data that's um more specific but I believe the last I checked roughly give or take 50k about $800,000 average home price in Elorado Hills El Dorado area. Yeah, >> that's probably >> roughly >> I would say that's probably correct. Okay, close. Yeah. And so if I have my my numbers correctly, and I'm not a math guy, so correct me. Um, on average roughly an $800,000 home would be about $23 a month assessment. If it's if it's $35 per 100K, >> but I don't think that's a month >> because the 35 is over breaking it down. >> That's
073over a year. That's only $100,000. So if you if you extend that out to $800,000 for an average home. Am I about the right place? Roughly >> probably. Yeah. >> So about $23 of assessed tax. >> Yes. >> Per month. >> Yes. >> On roughly a valued home at $800,000. I think um I I think numbers are are really valuable here in regards to maintaining our transparency as the rescue school board. having the um a vested interest in being fiscally responsible and in putting out there numbers like the average home price. Um what can a family expect monthly? >> And I I do want to make one small correction. I missed this. Our maximum that we can do is $30 per >> $30 per 100,000. >> 30. Okay. >> Is Yeah. Okay. the $30. I
074mean, you're you're right. I just noticed it said 35. >> And I understand that we are talking about dispersement sizes, not all 80 or 60 million in in one positioning, >> right? >> We obviously have a a current bond on our assessed taxes for our residents. So I think um if this becomes a discussion in community, I I would love to see um or even if we're surveying our community on their their temperature on the subject matter, I'd really like to see some visuals for them um specifically to this slide and that is them understanding what they could be entering into with agreeance um as well as our board having a good feeling how our community feels knowing what they're entering into from a financial obligation. Um, with as close to accurate numbers that we
075can, um, I I can't speak for my colleagues. I know that for me to be able to vote in favor or against on this subject matter, my community's interest is going to lead me in the right in that direction. And I feel comfortable in saying that the majority maybe that's 51% or more of our community might not realize the implications of imposed bond taxes on their tax assessed bills. Um and and I think I fall into that group by the way. I don't think I look at it on a monthly basis going how much in assessed tax am I paying based on bonds. And so I think this could be an opportunity for us to both educate our community, making sure that they feel extremely informed on what they're leaning into >> um in regards
076to in favor or against so that if we feel as if we are informing our community and being transparent about these numbers as a board, I think it makes it a little easier at least for me to be able to vote one way or the other knowing that they're perfectly aware of what they're about to enter into. They've identified to me their either support or opposition to it, which can then guide me with confidence with a vote in favor or against. >> Could we That's a great idea, Michael. >> That's a great idea, Michael. >> Could we incorporate this proposed educational bond process into the the $35,000? Maybe it's a little bit more pooling process >> because I think that would be important. Yeah, I um asked about that last time and their suggestion was
077not to do it was to coldly ask where everybody was um before educating if I I don't know if remember that I do remember. >> Yeah. So it was >> they asked a a vague it was more vague question or lesser. Yeah, I do have I it's in that folder that I sent you the path to is the um survey results PowerPoint, but when when we did the survey last year, our our the company that we hired to do it, they they do not recommend education for the survey because then it will mislead and misdirect the general public. >> Gotcha. >> Um uh pulse. >> Was that Dale that gave us that information? Was that the gentleman that presented? >> No. U presented to us, but he did present to us. It was FM3 research.
078>> They were the survey. >> Yeah. We had three folks that we were gathering information from. >> I felt as if Dale was also referencing the same direction. >> Yeah. But then once you survey then that gives us an opportunity to say okay where where do we need to educate and then we can go out and educate our community from there. But to your point, it could be part of um, you know, they want you to be very strategic with the whatever 70 words you get or what I forget the but but there is the backup supporting information. Absolutely include that. >> No doubt. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I and I get it and for all I know I asked the same question two years ago because it does ring a bell. Um but
079uh again let's figure out their interest and where they think demand is and impact is and then >> we make a decision on how to educate >> within the questions that they asked they did go through um like if it was x amount of dollars would you be more likely or less likely to vote yes and then it would tear then the next question would tear I can't remember if they tiered down or tiered up um I believe they tiered down. I think they started with a high number like if it was $30, would you vote yes? How likely would you be to vote yes? Then it was 25 was 20 >> just to gau gauge a pulse of >> okay 30 is the maximum. >> Yeah, >> that doesn't mean that our voters are
080going to pass the maximum. So where would that sweet spot be? So that's part of the survey as well. >> Okay, that's good to know because that does play into this conversation. So, if we were to say, you know, the 30, the $30 is going to get us or would potentially garnish 75 million. >> If it was $20 that we end up going for the bond for, then we know out the gate we're not going to hit all the targets. But that would still allow you as a board to say, "Okay, we know we're not going to hit all the targets, but where are our priorities as a board?" Um, and how do we still meet the um, you know, the signal projects or for each for each site, you know, or signature products? Yeah,
081>> the signature projects. Is there a way to still do that and focus on maybe portables aged X and up? You know, so you you would know what kind of bond dollars you're going for. and be able to articulate that in your resolution. >> Um I simple math also not a mathematician but based on what Michael said it kind of mean took me down a quick little rabbit hole. Let's call his 2324 per month just for smooth easy math. I think I heard you say let's go with we got 80 million. Let's just go with that for a second. That we're we would only draw 20 that really truly second year, right? Mhm. >> So if we go that, this is a question. Um, is it safe to then assume that this would have be
082lowered down to $6 a month, a fourth of the money, a fourth of the 24 years? Is that fair to assume or you know, >> roughly? Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And then and then two years later it might turn into 12. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Interesting. Thank you. Mhm. Just to note, it actually wouldn't it wouldn't be six because we already have a current bond on the tax assess. So it would be six added to current. >> Correct. Correct. >> Yes. Yes. That would be six new dollars. And then and then when the second one went on a year later, the old one would drop off and then it would just be the 12. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Until we did another one. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. Michelle, did you um we noticed
083a change on our screen with you. Was there Did you have something? >> No, I'm good. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um so my thought is that um we have to remember, you know, um that we do have people in our community who are on fixed incomes. You know, it's really easy, you know, we're so used to being around, you know, parents and you know, all the things, but like there are people who are retired on fixed incomes. So the so the point is the dollar amount's going to matter. Um when we did the Windsor Point Park, um CSD did it in reverse. They said to the community, "Oh, tell us what you want or whatever." And people were like, "We want pools with water slides and all this stuff." And they were like, "Great."
084And they drew up the plans and they came out and they were like, "Okay, so it's going to be about $680 a year per household." And they were all like, "Wait, what?" Um so we did it in reverse. We went door to door and we were like, "How much would you be willing to spend and then we'll build a park to for your comfort level spending?" And the number that we found was people were willing to do it if it was less than $50. This was for a park, so this is different than a school. >> Point just being though. And then we went back and we were like, "This is all we have to spend. What What can you give us? Can you give us some grass?" I'm like, "It came out very nice."
085Actually, by the way, we only won that by a few votes. So, um, so I think that, um, we are going to h just because our bond capacity is x amount of dollars doesn't necessarily mean that's what our community will support. So, we just have to be really cognizant of what the community and the people in our community that are on fixed incomes would be willing to support. like I can't speak for them, but you know, it sounds like, you know, $6 we could say, hey, you know, that's a couple cups of coffee, you know, whatever. And, you know, hopefully be able to, you know, show the benefit of it and that it's not much of an expense. But I do think that the dollar amount um could make or break. So, we just have
086to be really I don't and I don't know how we get that information because to your point, we're not supposed to go out and ask these questions about um the dollar amount first. >> Well, I think that was they did in in the in the survey. They they asked that after they went through and asked um about what your priorities would be, how you feel about the schools, those kinds of things. The last handful of questions were if there was a bond for $30, would you be how likely would you be to to pass it? And then the next question tiered it down to >> $25, how likely would you what if it was $20? How likely would you be? So, it kind of tiered it down. Okay. Okay. >> And then you can gauge
087the um likelihood from those questions. >> Okay. >> And then from there, you as a board as you're making your decision, yes or no, if you were to say yes, that would help guide you on the dollar amount you would want to move forward with. And and you know, the survey will help um government financial services. They're very experienced in bonds. They would be able to help as well in helping you determine where that sweet spot is in going out for the bond. >> Any other comments on this question? >> What we're talking about with with explaining to the or surveying the voters for how much they would be willing to spend per se at that point in time. And we don't have a proposal in front of they don't know what it's for. It
088could be for portables. It could be for you know 49er mini camp facility, right? We we we have no idea. So those numbers could be skewed. >> They they could be the the survey um questions prior to that go very deep into um rank and priority this handful of items. Um and if you like we can um bring back or just share I think you're going to share >> he's going to share the last survey results and it will um summarize the top I think they had the top 15 items that people listed in priority uh for maybe not urgent needs but what their priorities would be if if there was to be a bond. Where I think that's interesting is we have people responding to that survey. >> Actually, this is a question. Was
089that survey sent out to rescue families only or the entire community? >> The community. >> Okay. So, my statement there is where that's interesting is we have people who have not stepped foot on our campuses in 20, 30, 45 years that are responding to this survey. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Because those are the ones that are going to vote. Right. >> Yeah. people that have not been on our campuses in 20 30 years or ever if they moved here be you know >> when their kids >> post high school elementary kids. >> Yeah. >> That's a big challenge. >> Yeah. That was my parents when I Well, I came in high school. So my mom hadn't seen elementary schools until my sister went to school. So yeah, there's people that can move here and
090never have set foot. Um, yes. >> And to your to Michelle's point though, I do when I go to a rotary, people are always asking me about the our solar. I saw the solar's going up. You guys close. When do you flip the switch? Like that visual piece. Michael referenced it, too. Like when you drive by a school, you see work being done. Oh, that's good stuff's going on there. So, there is a element of that as well. Um our next one is on uh trust and transparency and I think I know the answer to this question but um especially on question number one I have an opinion but the the second question in particular is are there groups that uh we feel like should be early partners in messages shaping and outreach. This isn't
091necessarily um who we would go out to to try to necessarily pump it up, but just outreach on what should we be considering if we're if we're thinking about having a bond. Are there groups you'd want to meet to go solicit just some real preliminary information like, "Hey, we're talking about a bond very generally. How does this sit with you? I don't want to feel like I'm speaking first each time. Remember I used to write a note that says listen more. >> Obviously that's not there. So >> yes, sorry. You're free to go. >> Um I I think for me the punch phrase in in question number one or bullet one is accountable accountability measures. Um and and I think it almost takes me back to and and I believe there's correlation takes me back
092to my original statement about being transparent with our community. Um if if we are focused on trust um so that if we're asking the opinion of our community and ultimately we're going to take the final action on imposing a tax on our residents or not. I think full disclosure is imperative. The the the full accountability measure and I know that um those that have presented to us have said begin your surveys with maybe less is more right now. Um I'm not they're the professionals. I get that. I'm not sure if I agree with that. Just in regards to accountability measures for me. I think I'd almost want to be um overt transparent. Um I don't know. I I guess I really struggle with this idea of the power in my hands and imposing attacks on
093someone. That makes me really uncomfortable. I know it's um I know it's an office I ran for. I know that I was elected to do this. Um but I need a lot of confidence in my community that that's what they want me to do. And I think the accountability measure for me is full disclosure. This is exactly how it would affect you based on the value of your home. Let me give you a couple of examples from 750 850 to $950,000. We're looking at re release amounts of 20 million increments over the next whatever years. And when each one of those is released, this is the tax imposed upon you. Um how do you feel? Is this something you can support? And I know that presentation says don't go that way. Don't do that. I
094understand. Um, but if we're looking at for accountability measures, I see a lot of value in that >> that the it'll be written in the narrative, but that it does require one if if approved, we have to establish a bond oversight committee that um community members and our team, I think I think one or two board members can are seated on that as well. Um, so maybe even just calling I pretty confident that's written in there, but I I do >> I remember that. >> It is. >> The the imposing the tax on the con constituents. Um, that's a really powerful statement. It just remember they there's a vote that has to occur. I think we are you referencing that you're putting it on the ballot for people to vote and it might impact people
095that did not want you to put that on the ballot in the first place. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that makes sense. And I saw Jamie nodding. >> Five words. I basically fully agree with what Michael just said. >> Okay. >> Completely. >> Yeah. Well, that's another one of us. >> Okay. And and I would just add, you know, we're all living in a world now where um halftruths have become common, right? So if we wanted to spin this, we would say, >> well, the first year it's only $6 or $12, but we know that it's going to go up and and it, you know, as each um segment adds to it. I would not want to be a part of something that wasn't totally transparent. Like to to Jim's point, you know, I'm I just
096want to make sure that everybody has all the information and I'm comfortable saying, "Okay, we'll put it on the ballot then as long as our community has the information." But um you know, just because a you know, parts of our society and I don't know what's going on, but halftruths have become more acceptable. I'm not comfortable with that. like I want to make sure we are fully transparent because we've built this district on that like people trust us and um yeah it's it's it's not worth and we wouldn't I mean I know we wouldn't but I just wanted to say that um uh as well echoing what both Jamie and Michael said I just want to add one one point to so to I think all of our concerns to that point but what does
097help and Lisa you explained it really well is we are pulling a dollar amount of what people are comfortable >> we still have to explain the impact of the bond over >> over time >> which essentially backs backs into a dollar amount so >> it it will be hugely advantageous to us to understand hey 70% of our of the district is willing to pay $150 to $200 a year and give us a good vibe going in that hey theoretically this is this is realistic after explaining it kind of we'll back into a dollar sure >> okay >> um I just want to um comment I I am 100% with you like I want to go out there and say here's all the things we did before we survey people um because I do feel like
098that can help shape um a decision What um we did talk about with the survey people was going out doing a cold run then kind of flooding our um community with information and then repolling. >> Sure. I see value. >> That does cost more money because then you're doing the survey twice. you're also doing communications and um information sharing. So, it has to be done in anformational way, not in a hey, we're going out for this measure, come vote for this, but it becomes informationational um out to the community and then we could repole at that point. You still wouldn't want the survey itself to have anything that is not going to be in the voting booth because if they didn't get the mailer and then they're getting that but then you have somebody else
099who didn't get the mailer or didn't read the mailer and then they go in the vow booth but they never had the survey they're not going to have the information and we'll get kind of misleading information. So, I do think there's value in figuring out if this was a direction we wanted to explore, how do we take the information from the survey, lead that into an information campaign, and then re-ervey >> based on the financial implications of the double survey? Um, can you sh can you give me your opinion on why we wouldn't skip the first part and simply go right to the second part to inform and then survey >> other than the professionals telling us not to do it? >> Well, I think from from my opinion and it's I'm not the bond
100expert. I've I've done one and I came in like midway um midway through the process um not through the spending but anyways um I think the first survey will tell us where the holes are in our community information and I also think that the first survey could lend itself to this is a non-starter >> and why spend a bunch of money and time on information if we know from the get-go it's a non-starter. >> What is that percent? I mean, what would you consider a percentage of non-starter? >> I would think something less than 50%. >> Okay. I want to say we were at >> we were >> we're at 57 50. Yeah, 55. Yeah, like >> it was a barely >> tight on the >> edge >> and an information campaign could have changed
101that. But I also think the capacity for us and the timing for us at that at that time it I I think it would have been very stressful. >> Yes. Okay. Michelle comment on this one or did she have one? >> She's okay. Right. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right, we're on communication and outreach. I think we really just talked about this a little bit already. Um, and as I have listened to the conversation, I think this really maybe comes after the decision like where where we'd want to go. Um, I think the question I really I'd be curious about is are there any misconceptions that we need to address early on or is there any pitfalls that you that come to mind? I can't >> but um just because it already got brought
102up maybe a misconception could be where and how that money is spent right I want to reduce class sizes or I want well we can't spend our money that way >> since versus >> are there any case studies out there that might detail the when you think about benefits the impact on property values in a community it might have to do with scope of work, right? >> Yes. >> New buildings versus >> Yeah. >> Maybe something less sexy. But I'm just I'm just curious if there might be something out there cuz that certainly would help if >> Yeah. I feel like survey spoke to >> the improved property values when you have good schools in your neighborhood. So, >> yeah. Is that good school infrastructure or good school test scores? I think it was um
103the whole picture. >> Justin's right. I mean, I was drawing down some notes and my notes were, you know, rep reputational impact, right? A reputation andor impact, but it's >> it's everything as a whole, right? That benefits the name, the brand, the value of the community, which inherently >> Sure. >> I mean, keeps values up. >> It's some of the conversations I have with community members about their home value or the need. It's like bark. Could you put bark in the parking lot? It's You're really declining my I mean, they're not explicitly saying you're declining my home. Well, some have, but oftent times it's just like, we've got a beautiful neighborhood, a great school, and you walk up and there's no bark. And I in my mind, I want to say, do you know how
104lucky you are that this is the topic that you want to talk about versus 33% proficient in in ELA or you know, all the things you can be talking about. So I always I hear those B I'm like yes I we hear it in here. We have our PTO appearance piece but I do think there's a tremendous value when things when things look well. We're we're we've kind of created our own worst enemy in that our sites when you drive by they they don't look dilapidated. We're not going to be posting a bunch of pictures of leaky roofs and we need to fix this. You know that's that's not happening. So that people are left to their own imagination if they haven't been in a school site in a long time. And even if you
105volunteer in school sites, I don't our volunteers don't report to us concerns about the portables. It's our staff that are in it every day, but a volunteer I don't at least I don't typically hear from them. Okay, >> Lisa, maybe um there's some value if this is something we move forward to and we're looking to do some communication with community is really call out or reveal the age of some of our buildings including portables. >> Yeah. >> That exist that that our employees are working in that our students are learning in. Um great learning going on, great teaching going on. But if students or sorry if community was made aware that we have some 20 30 year old portables on our properties Maybe you would be like, "Huh, I didn't realize that." Or, "I had
106no idea." Or, "Why do we still have such old ones?" >> Yeah, we are um going into contract with um for a new facility master plan since the one we have is um while it was approved in 2023, it was actually completed in 2022. So, it's three years old. The costs in there need to be updated. So, the cost, the $80 million price tag was from 2022 really. Um, so we're going to update that, but I will ask him within that facility master plan to identify the ages of the portables as well because that is a a breakdown of um on one of the pages, but as far as portables to permanent, but I'm going to see if they can incorporate also age. Um, I did want to just I was looking at the last
107survey and I wanted to answer I don't know that this is going to totally answer your question about why was it no, but one of the questions on the last survey was those who oppose the measure are broadly opposed um broadly opposed to new taxes. So, one of the questions was in a few words of your own, why would you vote no on the measure? Um, 62% said taxes are too high. 24% were concerned about mismanagement. 21% um said it was costly, expensive, cannot afford it. Um 7% said it was unnecessary. Schools are totally fine. Um 4% are just flat against bond measures. 4% don't have children. 3% said they need more information. And then there was just a few that were just other or refused to comment. I find that 3% to be interesting
108where they said they need more information. So that's very few people that have identified they need more information as we look at a question about more information here. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Would you send it to me and make sure it's top up? >> Yes. I Yes. >> One qu I I do want to go back to that first bullet because I think having heard the conversation I guess what I would like to know is if if I'm going to bring a recommendation to you or um well just leave I'm going to bring a recommend to you. What organizations would you want to know that I have solicited information from? So besides our community, like top of mind for me is I'd just be curious how in general Rotar our Rotarians feel, how
109do our ch how does our chamber of commerce feel, the taxpayers association, what do they need to hear? Well, I want to know from them is what are you going to need to hear from us for you to get on board with or are you just are they just say, "Hey, Jim, thanks for coming. I appreciate the coffee." That's we are not going to endorse any bonds. You know, like what are there any organizations where you would want me to reach out to just to get a sense of like, hey, are you going to be an obstacle to us or are you going to be neutral or are you going to be an advocate? >> All of all of them. I I mean uh >> beyond the ones I've mentioned, are there are there? >>
110No, I mean my mind keeps going to this is a marketing exercise. Right? I mean, we can talk about portables and taxes and everything else, but we're commenting on mulch and solar. It's I can, right? >> You know, are people do people want detail? They don't want detail. They're flipping through Instagram. The detail doesn't mean much anymore. Right or wrong. But there there's another side of this about h how do you market it, right? And how do you market rescue? You know, there there's a reason why these big reputable schools have massive endowments that there's a there's a brand. We have we we have that reput award-winning schools, you know, that that we continue to tout. There's another side of that that I think we we could focus on and do better on whether that's
111now or in the next five years to just we talked about this at times continuing to build the brand because people will will vote approve write a larger uh check for something they believe in um and understand their reputational value of not always because they understand where those dollars are I think that lends us to the next question. You teed us up very well. Unless Michelle, did you want to add to this question? >> No, I'm good. Thank you. >> Oh, she did. Okay. The the last question about that Lisa mentioned this bandwidth of our team and also this is not an area where we're experts in. So I think quite frankly I think team when we decided not to bring it forward a year and a half ago we all knew that we gosh
112we should we should just we should do give the shot and there was also this tremendous sense of relief I'll just speak for me but I think I can speak for leis this tremendous sense of relief like oh my gosh do our lives would be this for the next nine months I I'm >> think I think that are going to have to come off the plate to lead this type of initiative successfully the marketing the the PR aspect of that and I enjoy that piece but I'm I'm not sure I'm the the um I have the skill set in leading a bond or any of us do. So this question is really just about um le Lisa and I after the last goound met um just recently with GFS and just talked about we're going
113to need some help to to marshall this through um from a lot of different just expertise bandwidth on the ground just advice those type of things. was at a cost. Um, and so we feel like we've have the ability to fund that. I'm imagine we'd be using our developer fees and and our um Can we use fund 40 on that or you probably >> I shouldn't put you on the spot like that. Developer fees. I'll just leave it at developer fees. >> Look at developer fees and start there. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, so the question is what's the board's comfort level with us relinquishing a little bit of the well there's one vendor that depending on how this goes that we're going to meet with that we've been told um it's her way or
114the high like this is what you will do and I will tell you when to do it and how to do it and she's very successful but she has she has her style like this is how I successfully marshall a bond if you want to micromanage that and get involved in it. I'm out. I'm busy enough, you know. So, her style is that I'm going to be after to >> What's that? >> It's very high from what we understand. So, I told >> the Yeah, the lady from GSF said, "Jim, she is uh what' she say? You're going to struggle with her or she's not like I forget what she said. >> Yeah, >> they recognized that her style was she's not a listener." >> So, I think that's what they said. She's not a
115listener. So, but they said if you want if if you want someone to take it off your plate, she's ideal because you are not she's not going to deviate. We do it or you know there's other companies we can work with. But my interests is what's your comfort level and degree of trust with our team in relinquishing a little bit of that trust to some experts that are going to say make the moves at versus and saying hey this what should we do about this? Um and then that last one is just let's address that first question first then we'll go to the second one >> in right away. um on this lady. I'm glad we don't have her named. I already have reservations about her. And the reason is because going back to the
116halftruth, anybody can get it passed if you're not willing to be 100% honest. >> She did say that she was very clear on that process. What do you want to add? >> I I would I would agree. Um >> ish >> this is um a recommendation from Lori Reeri who whom you've met. Lori Reeri is the person with the most integrity I have ever met in my entire life. She does not recommend people lightly. Um she is highly recommending this person because she gets the job done. She does it in a very ethical way. Um her style is um more of a um just get it done and um because she knows what she's doing. I think is why there's less I don't want to say listening but less input from us in regards to
117the process. I did speak with um a school district um assistant superintendent that worked with her recently and he said while she's a little quirky, he really really likes her and said she would do a good job for us. >> And we're not saying we're going to go with this person. It was just like that's just an example of if >> we're vetting folks, you could get a lot of them are going to say here's the process. If you're hiring us, get out of our way and you know, just provide us the information we need when we So, go ahead. I know you >> Yeah, it >> I don't want >> ethics. Correct. At all either. Correct. >> Well, I might have to bite our tongue. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> No, and and I
118understand that. I appreciate that. I guess that would be the concern I have with I 100% understand that this is such a huge burden for you all and that having some sort of outside help is almost imperative. I I get that. But that is going to be my reservation because you know I see it in my industry. Um, you know, you can get an expert and they're so likable and they all they win. They win. They win. But are they telling the truth? I mean, you know, so um >> low comfort level. >> Um I I I don't want to say low comfort level because I am recognizing that our team >> Yeah. >> would not be able to do this without some assistance. I guess I'm just vocalizing this as kind of a heads
119up and just because so and so likes so and so like everybody has different we we have I think extraordinarily high morals with our management team our board and I just want to make sure that we aren't doing anything to compromise that or even to use the term the appearance of some sort of impropriy like I just want to make sure that that is fully um maintained but That being said, I don't think I I can't honestly say I have, you know, low support for it because I do recognize the the burden on everyone. So, I just want to call that out and that that would be something that I personally would be would be looking for and at in anyone that we're um dealing with. >> I think uh I'm on the same page
120as Kim, but I I think that's going to naturally happen, right? I mean, we have an amazing team. It comes down to due diligence, right? We want to work with the group that's going to give us the best success. We're going to check referrals. We're going to understand cost, right? Um, so it's going to come like any consultant or person you hire, it's going to come down the level of the to-do list and everything. Then we can make a decision top two or three after talking, you know, interviewing references. Jamie. >> Um, I'll fall right in the middle of the both of them. Um, what I wouldn't be comfortable with is having you guys take the lead at the expense of our students, at the expense of our staff, at the expense of any of
121those things that are very obvious that I'm forgetting, right? Every all of those important things, our curriculum, our safety, all of those things. So, I go really extreme that way. Um, and then yeah, I do agree with Flity in that I yes, I feel comfortable with an outside agency and I do think that collectively a sound decision will be made based on all of the important things that I know every one of us in this room value and and would want. Michelle. >> Um, I have I would hope that Well, I guess one of my questions is have we ever had any feedback in previous times where we've used an outside agency where the community has um, you know, shown appreciation for that. I mean I would think that there would be some again appreciation
122for lack of a better word for to have somebody who who's unbiased in the process at the very least in the first you know six seven steps of collecting information and and building a proposal right >> yeah I think just not to confuse and perhaps I did that with my introduction but this person would just be providing a lot of guidance process next steps uh directing us towards vendors that that um you know if we have social media or something like that that we've got put together like how do we put together that package versus being the person that's going to go speak in the community or that's going to be the face of this. I I I I got the sense that no one would even know nec necessarily that this >> correct >>
123using they're just in the they're marshalling us along from the back pushing cajoling and making sure we're pointed in the right direction and really doing a lot of the backend work that and Jamie I'm so appreciative of you just saying you want us to continue continue our focus on staff students safety all the things that we do and that's our priority as well. So, someone that just takes some of that shoulders a lot of that burden um as we really over the next I guess it would be well let's just say nine months or 10 months after we make a decision or as we lead up to it. Is there anything does that sound about right? Yeah. [Music] >> Michelle, was there any more part to your question? >> No, I'm good. Thank you. >>
124Okay. I think I would like to take bullet number two and turn it into a question versus I'm sorry and allow for me to turn it into a question. >> Um, how much will our community be made aware of directionally what we're doing um with this >> where bond >> yeah with with the approach to considering a bond. We know how small communities can convene at various places throughout our community and start having conversations about the actions of entities that affect them, i.e. our schools, school board meetings. Um, and the last thing I would want is any surprises. So what is our what are some potential ideas or plans in including our community in this journey that we are all about to potentially embark on. So at any grocery store or soccer field this topic
125is simply um there's no surprises >> and and we always know that we don't like surprises. We always we always do our best to either ask questions or answer questions before they become questions to us. Um so what steps can we potentially take to ensure that our community is in this journey with us? Uh maybe it's it's factf finding, maybe it's temperature gauging um to to in my opinion ensure there's some comfort among some of the decision makers before we have actions taking place. >> Well, I I would start off with that's a really that's a great question. I think the outside vendor is going to help with a lot of that. But just I was just writing down I mean I know a lot of not a lot of people are on our board
126looking at our board agenda and what we're talking about. Um we do have a very good social media um platform uh that Christina runs that up until the moment we make a decision in July could be used really to to educate and inform. I I could see that being more about some of the successes that we've had just hammering down like look at the fields that we've been able to produce. Look, just so that building that trust piece >> u and letting them know that the um I've got these outside organizations that clearly we're going to go talk to our PTO PTC meetings. Um, I definitely would go personally to each one of those and just not from a lens of advocating for because I think that can be a little put offish, but just
127saying the we are considering this. What do you want us what do you want me to relay to the board? What do we need to know? Um, and then I think the survey sends puts a huge stick in the sand like we are asking what how many did we survey last time? I want to say like >> 300 I think it was 300. >> That all it was. What is that percent? Very small. >> Those are just our parents. >> No, we surveyed the community. >> Community. >> Let me let me let me >> I think it was >> Let me pull that. >> I do remember it being I remember it being small and and then thinking, geez, when we get our when we get our S when we do our uh end of
128the year LCAP survey and we have 330 people and they're saying you don't you need like 10% of that to get a good idea. >> Um let's see. that she's looking. >> We uh 515 community really. >> So those are the groups that I think just getting the word out >> to 500. >> How many voters do we have >> 30? Is it 20 27,000 to 30,000? >> Mhm. >> So 10% you need >> 27. >> Yeah, we got 500. Yeah, I think that's what they said. Like it was like a 3% was what they were trying to get. I remember I remember them sharing that the USA Today poll that they publish they just ask 100 people for 350 million people that survey is sample size is 100 people but they feel like that's
129representative of I mean they they try to mix up the different I don't know how they do it but I just remember thinking unless I heard that along I was shocked. So sequentially can I ask like this survey that we're speaking about to community where where in the in the time scale of this surveying of information right now where does that land on a calendar >> I would imagine we're two months two and a half months out from that >> yeah I think the holiday is probably January >> probably till yes January February before we bring the facility master plan for you to review as far as what the needs are. Um, that's going to be a big component of this. Um, I think we need to bring the >> Pardon me. >> Are you
130Are you >> survey would have to be after you bring that to us? >> No. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> No, I'm just saying that's when that would be done and that would help inform you with whether or not you want us to do the survey now or after. I mean, that would be a decision you guys would would make is when do you want the survey done? Um, it could wait until after so that you know and then we could kind of gauge it based on what we're reading in the facility master plan or we could gauge it sorry without that. I mean that's that's really a choice you have in when you want us to do it. I would I would suggest after probably after the holidays doing a survey at that point
131and that allows us to vet a vendor bring it through for contract and also allows some of these conversations with the PTO's PTA just to start from an inquiry based lens versus why are you asking us now you already did a survey like why are you even in here like just till the soil from a very neutral stance and over the next few months and and once the dust clears from the holidays uh come to the board and just say here's what we're hearing. There seems to be some general sense. The signature project seems to be resonating with folks. We think it's worth spending the 30 grand just to see how the community feels before we make an ultimate decision. The sooner we do it, the better because we're able to spend district money up
132until the July or the June vote, right? So there is some incentive there and we don't have a um we don't have like a lot of contractors that going to write us checks to help us after June with with funding any type of messaging or anything like that. That's going to be our biggest obstacle I think are on our part >> and we do have to be very cautious because we although we can message information we can't um we can't talk necessarily about the bond and >> can't campaign idea >> we can't we can't campaign even before we have it on there we can provide information >> once it's then once like what Jim was saying once it's once the resolution or once a vote has been made to move forward with the measure and
133a measure has been assigned then everything we do has to be after hours >> right >> the um facilities um evaluation or or or um study um is that something that we do every three yearsish no matter what >> it should be done every three >> to and I'm assuming there's a cost to that so I I didn't know if you were calling for that because >> we wanted more update information in preparation for this this potential bond approach and and I could see a survey from our community before that having value if the survey reveals no interest um and um is there then a need for a facilities um um report or not? Um I I would say yes just because the one we have is old. Um, and it does help even our
134facility team just know and have updated information, especially with the new stuff that's happened since then because we do have new buildings, right? We have um new stuff that was built here at Green Valley, new and so it would be nice just to have that incorporated into the new facility master plan with new um priorities identified. >> What do those reports typically cost us roughly every few years? >> Um I'm trying to remember the quote I just got. I want to say it's in the 20 15 to 20,000 range. Okay. Okay. >> Once we engage the this consultant, how much time do they need to give us the answer? >> We >> the the report the report >> it depends um usually he comes out he'll go out to every site he will and it
135also depends on the depth of which we want the report. So, generally speaking, they'll also meet with certain staff at each site and just to get um information about what are the needs based from an employes perspective. Um, one of the things that came out from the last one, for example, is the need for just a new transportation yard. So, that may be identified as a here's one of the needs, but it may not be necessarily a priority. So then we have to identify what are needs and then how do we prioritize them because while our new while our transportation yard is working, we're also kind of busting at the seams. So it'll identify some of that as well. >> I think I might have one last question and that is going back to Jim's
136second slide I think it is of was it Polic Pines? They put two signs up in town and then just threw it on >> Black Oak Pines. black oak mine. Are we overthinking this? Are are we >> are we making a mound out of a molehill or I mean >> Tell me why we shouldn't just >> put up two signs and throw it on the ballot. >> So Jim's been saying that to me for about a year now since he found out they passed it. >> Um one >> I have a good answer to that question. Um, I I can't answer that to be honest with you. I mean, I don't know our how my neighbor would vote, let alone >> Yeah. >> You know, anybody else um the other 27,000 people and you know,
137I don't know. But what I would say is um our needs are not getting better, you know. So, this it's kind of like the conversation I had with my grandmother. She's 99 years old living with my mom going up and down these stairs and I said, "Grandma, those stairs are not going to get easier as you get older." It's the same thing with our portables. They're not going to get better with age. Um, so there's risk in just saying, "Let's just pop up some signs, take a roll of the dice, and see what happens." Um, but then that's two more years. If we if we're not successful and then we go out again, I'm not sure how our community would respond in two more years after that to well, I just voted on that really
138and people may not even realize did it not pass, did it pass? Why am I voting on it again? So, there could be some confusion and saying no because I voted yes last time. So, I think it could cause some confusion if it doesn't pass. I think that there's some risk. Um, but would it be easier? Yeah, it totally would be easier. And uh, you know, sometimes it's worth rolling the dice. >> You see, you had said something and I just want to make sure that I was clear. I'm not concerned how people vote on this. That's the wonderful thing about democracy. They vote any way they want, right? >> I just want to be sure that they have enough trust in us, what we've brought before them. they clearly understand what they're voting on.
139>> That's the most important part for me. >> Yeah. And I think putting up two signs, I'm not sure is going to get us there. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I think I think it goes right back to this, you know, like if we want to have an excellent process and an excellent product for people to vote on, there's a lot of work that just has to go into it. As much as I I I joke with Lisa, kind of >> kind of. >> Yeah. Um, but I also know that uh when I talked with the superintendent up there that they they roll just a little differently. Like his board was like, "Yeah, let's just put it out there." They just approached it from a different lens than I think we have traditionally done that.
140Um, and I think there was there was also some tremendous need up there that just everyone it's a small community. Everyone knew the two schools that were there needed work. So, um, I think that takes us to our last Yeah. Um this next steps really number one should after I just number one really after listening to this is should be replaced with just this um not community outreach just but like this community inquiry. So I'm going to be at Lake View Thursday for coffee with the principal. I think I'll just start tilling the soil at that point like hey we just had a bond study. When you hear bond what's the first word that comes to mind? What what are you excited about? What are you nervous about? What what would you want our board
141to consider? and just start asking just from a lens of inquiry like we're just starting the conversation. What do you want the board to know as a as a conduit? Our PTO meetings um I have Rotary on Wednesday. Um there's usually ample time to it doesn't have to be a presentation. It could just be me going around to some of the key players there and just asking, "Hey, you hear bond for a school. What does it make you twitch or does it you get excited about it?" Um, Jamie, you look like you wanted to say something related to that. >> When you go to the um coffee with the principal, it probably could vary. I'm sorry, superintendent. >> Yeah, >> it probably varies sight to sight, but can you give us do you have two
142people show up, 15 people show up, 35? >> It it really varies. Um, it's very That's a really good point. Thank you for reminding me that. It's been very very low. um which I've the only time it was high was when there was some tension around a certain topic and then all of a sudden 15 people showed up that I had not met a lot of them before and I haven't seen them like once it but typically it's very low and they don't they're just coming to have a cup of coffee and chat. They're not they don't typically have an axe to grind or anything like that. So that's a really good point. The PTC's are probably a little bit better and PTO meetings are probably a little bit better attended. Um yeah, thank you.
143That's >> He's actually renaming them to one-on- ones. >> Yeah, the one-on-one with the superintendent. Yeah, that's about what it's that's about what it could be. It's usually about a threeon-one. >> Hey guys, I'm gonna say one thing, Mike. To your to your point, I'll answer my own thought is is I think we are overthinking this. I think until we pull the community, we'd have no idea. you know, that's the only way to get a feel for what the community wants and what our constituents want. So, I think we owe it to them to to invest, reinvest back into the community to do this pool and understand what people are willing to do, what their wants and needs are. um we can we can do our due diligence and interview multiple consultants to to get
144a you know to survey what's going on out there uh at no cost. Um but I think until we get that data back >> we have no idea my thoughts. >> Good point. >> Well when we talk that's a really good point because so when we talk with FM3 and some other vendors maybe we just asked that question. Is it worth waiting until January or would you just say rip off the band-aid and let's get find out now what the stomach level what the stomach is? That's something that we can ask because we may be overthinking that as well. >> Dale share that a presidential election year has the highest success turnout rate. >> Yes. Both um Dale and Lori both share that. >> Yeah. I think it's the most voter turnout and I I
145think it's because of um who there's a a a party that shows up more on presidential elections. >> Interesting. >> I guess if we're going with Mrs. 100% then it doesn't really matter when we do this. >> Yeah. And then uh in the appendix there we I did we took a stab at a bond narrative ju just kind of a one-page white paper if um when you have the opportunity. Um I can in fact I'll just send it out to you just as a um yeah board. Well, uh I know that we appreciate the the conversation tonight and um we're going to have some lengthy conversations, I'm sure, just about okay, what are our next steps? Let's determine I think um talking to some some of the people that we talked to a year and
146a half ago. uh GFS obviously they we met we we met with them prior to this and they had some some interest in meeting with us even as as soon as tomorrow to say what was the sense we can help guide you in a certain direction but I I do tend to agree with you I was thinking the survey might be further down but I think that data is rather important for us and I do I I do want you to know that one of the reasons we're going through this process because it's really important to our team that whatever recommendation we make to you is grounded and like you can see yourself in it and that you're heard and we don't want to put anyone in a spot where they're like I don't please
147don't make me vote on this or I I you you know like that we want to make sure we clear all the obstacles so that you feel very comfortable with how you're voting and there's no anxiety related to it because I know this can create that. So reach out to me if you're feeling any anxiety. I'd like to hear it. No, no, just in general. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's a loaded question. [Laughter] >> Mr. Shimik, were you done with the eight next? >> Yeah. Yeah, that that was just kind of just so you had an idea of kind of what this could kind of look for. Um I I think winter 2026 will be and I would imagine it would be after the break where we'd be bringing any type of recommendation
148to you. >> Um >> All right. >> Great. Thank you very much. Um before we move to German, any last questions for your superintendent or cabinet regarding the subject matter? >> Great conversation and an important case. >> Okay, great. Then that then has moved to a journal. >> I move that we adjourn this meeting at 7:35. >> Thank you, Miss Bbo. Thank you, Michelle. Michelle, thanks.