001Okay. Well, welcome everybody to tonight's special meeting. Um, we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Uh, Amy, if you want to go ahead and do roll call, please. Mr. Chavez here. Mrs. Evansson here. Mrs. Heights here. Mr. Jones here. Miss Lima here. All right. Do I have a motion to approve the um agenda for this evening? Motion to approve. Second, Mr. Chavez. Approved. Approved. Mrs. Evansson. Yes. Mrs. Heights. Yes. Mr. Jones. Yes. Miss Lima. Yes. All right. So, the first item up um on our business items is the resource recommendation for 12th grade ELA. So, do I have a motion um for this resource? Motion to approve the 12th grade resource. Second. All right. Is there any discussion to approve the health grade resource? I just wanted to say thanks for the extra
002time to have the opportunity to get through this a little bit more. Um, as I got further into this and looking at how um, and I appreciate this also being the teacher's reference instead of the student reference because it gave me a little bit more um, of an idea of how this is going to be uh, presented, assessed, things of that nature. And so, um, I really appreciate that extra time because it gave me a little bit more comfort in this than what I had, you know, on Tuesday. Um, so with having that extra time to get a little bit further through this, um, I feel comfortable in approving this at this point. So, well, good. that's what um we wanted to obviously achieve. So I know we all get busy and we all have
003a lot of other things going on. So um do our best and and I do think that at our last meeting when we if we could get the resources in our hands. I know curriculum team was um you guys were trying to get it in as quickly as possible as well. So we appreciate that. But um maybe even if we see a few of the resources ahead of time as well and we can kind of review them that might help uh as well just to help save time. So um I'm glad you had a little bit more time to look at it as well. Is there any other discussion on the 12th grade resource? No. Okay. Seeing none, we can go ahead and take the vote on the 12th grade resource. Mr. Chavis approved. Mrs.
004Evansson, yes. Mrs. Heights, yes. Mr. Jones, yes. Miss Lima, yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. So, all right. Um, next up on our agenda is the fourth grade social studies. So, is there a motion for the fourth grade social studies? I would actually like to motion to table this particular one just to honor the work of the CRGC and give ourselves a little more time to see the alternate resource. Okay. They've been unable to get that in yet. Um I spoke with Jen earlier and she um they're still waiting to try to get a hold of that other resource. Okay. So, with tableabling an item, we don't have um discussion. So, we're voting on tableabling the item. So, we can go ahead and take the vote on tableabling the item. Did we have a second on
005that? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, we need a second for tableabling. You're correct. Is there a second for tableabling the fourth grade resource? I can we ask a question or do we have to wait till we um Yes. Go ahead and ask a question. So my question would be if we table this, what are we teaching the kids this summer? Is there no resource for the kids this summer or what's I think Jen Yeah. Why don't you explain what the time frame would look like? There's currently no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies in circulation. You've heard about previous publications that are well out of date. So teachers teach the standards with the resources that they have and that they can curate. There's not a board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies. Yes.
006Barb, you have your hand up. I did. So So what you're saying is currently there is no adopted fourth grade social studies. Is that correct? You'll find some titles on the list that were adopted, but they're all well out of print in circulation. So, there's nothing common. Those were all 70s 90s like titles that are out of circulation, not in print anymore, which is why this was up for a recommendation. So there are probably two schools who still have access to an older text uh on the list, but we've tried to get those copies uh from used bookstores had little success. So correct, there's no board adopted resource for fourth grade social studies currently that's in circulation. That's true for a lot of social studies. Uh that's true for all of the grades in social
007studies at elementary. Will, you had your hand up. No, I I I guess you guys had just answered it. So, what would what would be the timeline if you guys could try to either get the other curriculum or figure something else out? I mean, what would be what's what is our absolute deadline? As I know like today would have been ideal, but what is the absolute deadline for us to get anything done? Uh well, we're in a tricky situation here because CRGC takes recommendations uh from resource selection teams. The resource selection team appraises a second resource and a third. Only one is high quality enough to bring it forward to CRC, but they're not bringing we wouldn't bring it forward as a recommendation of the resource selection team because that wouldn't be accurate. They didn't
008make a recommendation. They they made a recommendation for Colorado story. They have appraised all of the available resources scored in multiple iterations against rubrics. There's another resource that's of high quality, but it's not an official recommendation. So, we're sort of in uncharted territory uh where if CRGC were to review that material, we wouldn't want to bring it to the board as though the board had a choice between two materials. We'd want resolution on the current recommendation that's in front of us before considering another path. Uh I suppose that could all happen in one board meeting. Um but again we wouldn't be bringing it as a recommendation from the selection team. We would be bringing it possibly as a recommendation from CRGC if that was the consensus. And so we would bring all the data from
009the resource recommendation team to CRGC. uh we wouldn't ask CRGC um to take the role of the recommendation team and we can't reconvene the recommendation team to make a different recommendation. Their process is complete and so that was complete against the standards and the rubric. The purview that and discretion that the board is exercising is the boards to exercise. So there's not an issue or an argument there. It's just that with uh we wouldn't ask the recommendation team to reconvene and consider the board's concerns and we wouldn't ask CRGC. We do want them to review the process, right? We want them to review the process and then bring it forward to the board. So CRGC is the next appropriate step uh in terms of uh going forward I think but we wouldn't it's not as
010though we want the new process to be the board to consider two resources and select between them that wouldn't be appropriate. We have our resource recommendation team to make those recommendations. They go to CRGC from CRGC to the board. And so in this case, the RGC's decision to do another uh resource that's high quality given the complete work that was done by the recommendation team. So your timeline was a your question will was about a timeline. Uh it sort of depends on what happens here tonight. uh if tabled and I would need to think about how best to communicate go forward and engage with CRC and we have to call a meeting um which we can do we can do what next week. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um I'll second the motion to table it.
011Ready for the vote? Well, Barb has her hand up. Go ahead, Barb. I guess I'm just I'm so confused. Like, do we need to vote on the first resource? Is that what you're telling me? Because I'm I guess I'm just kind of um confused. I mean, I understand that for it to go for the next resource to go to CRGC, um it has to go through that process before it comes before the board, but do we have to vote on the first resource before you will move a second resource to CRGC? So we know that the board is unable to move forward on the board. They're voting no more or table. And so if there's not a vote, if there's not a motion forward in the process, if we're not moving forward with a consensus
012vote, then we know we need to do something different. In this case, we'll go back to CRC and we'll bring you the second one. Okay. Yeah. I guess we just want to make sure we're giving you that it's clear. I guess there's enough hesitation with the one that was recommended to the board. And I don't know whether it would be more clear to you for the board to either take a vote on it or that it's more clear if it's tabled. And so I guess we just want to make sure that we're clear with you all. I think is that right Mark? like I don't know whether whether it's table because there's there's a lot of questions from the board on the resource or if it needs to just or or table it. So I
013I guess we just want to make sure we're clear trying to get at for everybody. I believe I believe that tabling is appropriate and we will bring um that second resource that was reviewed. We'll bring it to CRGC. They can review. We'll look at the process and then we would like to then present it and then we can decide how what the next best vote would be. Okay. Right? Because what I'm hearing is we're not going to be looking at this resource that was presented to us and then comparing it to this other resource. You guys are now going to be looking at this other resource and now presenting that one as the one to the board. Correct. Yes. Yes. And and we're going to have to put another because this is your the board's
014right to do, right? So, while we've never been in this space or place before, here's an opportunity to write what that process would look like. Okay. Yeah. I think we're st we're stalled here. If stalled here, then we reconc the the resources. Our our best um late plan is to get with CRGC, but we've got to make sure we're getting all the resources. I know that you've said you've gotten one, right, Jackie? One from the publisher. We have their kits. We have one of the kits here and the others are being shipped. I think they'll be here very soon today to or tomorrow or the next day. Um I don't know that I think we have six kits coming. So, and each unit is a kit, right? Um I should have brought it physically. Uh
015there are there's one box with kits and two extra kits that go on top of it. Barb, another question. Yes. Um so when those kits come in, I know it's my understanding that it's going to be going not necessarily before the committee, but to CRGC. So when is the soonest that we could get those resources to start reviewing them? Jen's looking at dates, but that would be immediately following CRGC if there was consensus from CRGC to go forward. So CRGC would review the process of the recommendation team, the scoring on the rubrics, the materials themselves, and then CRGC would take a consensus vote. If that were successful, it go forward as a recommendation. the very next day or even that night, you could pick up materials and we could get those to you. Okay. Um,
016so just out of curiosity, uh, is there any reason why we couldn't get it sooner than that and then if it's not presented to us as a reference, then we just give it back. That way it would just give us a little bit more opportunity to get through it since we know that's literally the only one that we're going to be looking at. Let us get back to you on dates. My my hesitancy with that is just coming back to process. We don't want to be in a place where we're asking the board to consider a recommendation before CRGC has considered a recommendation and we don't want CRGC influence in that. Right? It's their independent review of those processes. So, it's important to us that these teams operate somewhat independently for the integrity of the
017recommendation that comes. Uh but we also want to honor that we're up against tight timelines. So, I think if we could set CRGC, if we could make that meeting happen sooner than later, then that gives you more time. Jose Luis, yeah, I have a question. Uh, will will you be able to let us know uh why that second resource wasn't chosen as the first resource also? Because I would like to know the reasons for that. Yes. that you'll see it real transparently in the scoring CRGC. What we don't want to do though or what we wouldn't do is come to the board and say which of these two resources decide which one you want to vote on or vote on both. That's that would circumvent important processes. And so we only if successful from CRGC,
018we'd only be bringing forth the new resource and we'd ask you to evaluate it on its own. the merits of it itself and not as compared to the resource that we just put in front of you. And that's the same thing that we'll tell CRGC. We're not asking you to compare the two resources. It is helpful to see the scoring side by side to understand the strength of the resource in front of them, but their job is not to compare the two. It's the assess the strength of the one in front of them based on the standards. based on the standard based on the standard and whether or not it ought to go. Exactly. Okay. People who do all the comparing are the are the members of the resource recommendation team. Uh Will. Yeah. Will,
019do you have a question? Yeah, I do. Okay. I'm sorry. So, I know we're not supposed to have discussion, but my question is if we table this, aren't we aren't we indeed saying no, we don't want the first one. So, it's actually we're kind of voting the first one down. So, that's my I don't understand if we table it, then we're tableabling the whole thing. But why? But we're I guess in sense saying we don't want the first one, get us a different one. So, I I just don't understand the difference between tableabling it and just plain out voting. I guess I don't know. It's a little bit of one of kind of one and the same. That's I just wanted to make sure that I mean because you know tableabling we either you can
020table an item till the next meeting or you can table something indefinitely. That's why I just wanted to make sure with the curriculum team with Jackie's and Jen team that if they needed a an actual vote from the board that we could give them that. Um, one, you know, in my mind, if they bring us another resource, I mean, we, you know, we could vote this one, but if we're if they present us with a different resource, um, you know, again, they're they're going through the process. So, it's a little bit one and the same. So, you know, the motion was to table. The motion could have been to vote and then it could have been a yes or no vote. So, you know, I know we're kind of going a little bit out of
021sorts because I know there were a lot of questions and that's fine. I want to make sure the board has all their questions answered. So, it's fine. We'll I don't want I don't want to inhibit anybody from having their questions answered. So, makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I think from our perspective, the process is stalled to the extent that curriculum needs to do something else to move it forward. Um, stalled in the way of the table. A no vote is you're right function similarly and or the same but clearly we're not moving forward and so it's on us to figure out the next step. Yep. And we will do that. The first thing is to get the resource for CRGC and the board to have that even opportunity and they're in route. Yeah. The publisher
022drove down a set that's here and then the rest we're just waiting on in shipping. Okay, sounds good. Board, any other any other questions? Not for me. Thank you. Okay, so the vote the vote on the um on the table is to table it. So um uh Amy, we can go ahead and take the vote. Mr. Chavis, no. Mrs. Evansson, yes. Mrs. Heights. Yes, Mr. Jones. I'm sorry. Sorry. No, Miss Lima. Yes. Okay. So, the item will be tabled. All right. And then so next up, okay, so we kind of had open board discussion during that time. Is there anything else for open board discussion? No, sorry about that. I just had questions. I apologize. It's fine. That it it just gets a little I know these things get a little tricky. So again, I
023want I want to make sure the board feels comfortable kind of going through these processes. So um Robert's rules just gets kind of um particular and so I try to follow them as best I can, but I'm willing to deviate from them so that I can make sure people feel like they can get their questions answered. So all right. Um do you have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Okay, great. Thanks everybody. Thank you. Thank you.