FCPS School Board Meeting - February 9, 2017 - Part 1

001WOULD BOARD MEMBERS PLEASE COME TO THE BOARD TABLE. THANK YOU. WOULD ALL BOARD MEMBERS PLEASE COME TO THE TABLE. [GAVEL] THIS FEBRUARY 9, 2017, REGULAR MEETING OF THE FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THE PERFORMANCE OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BY THE STRINGS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF NICK WALKER. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MASON CREST ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STRINGS, AND THANK YOU TO THE PARENTS THAT BROUGHT YOUR TALENTED CHILDREN OUT HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE THEM WITH US. I THINK WE HAVE PRINCIPAL OF MASON CREST BRIAN BUTLER IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. BUTLER, FOR SHARING YOUR OUTSTANDING STUDENTS WITH US THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH SECTION 2.2D OF THE BOARD OF VIRGINIA,

002IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO CERTIFY THAT THE CLOSED BOARD MEETING ON FEBRUARY 9, 2017, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD DURING THE CLOSED MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVED BY MS. HYNES, SECONDED BY MS. STRAUSS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HANDS. HYNES, HOUGH, CORBETT SANDERS, STRAUSS, EVANS, MOON, McELVEEN. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL THOSE ABSTAINING? MR. WILSON. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE BEGIN TONIGHT'S MEETING. ITEM 5.07 AUDIT COMMITTEE CITIZEN MEMBER APPOINTMENT ITEM HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE FEBRUARY 23RD CONSENT AGENDA. THERE ARE SIX SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW A COPY OF THE AGENDA AND ANY AGENDA ITEM BEING

003DISCUSSED TONIGHT, THAT INFORMATION IS ON THE TABLE BY THE AUDITORIUM ENTRANCE. TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS AVAILABLE BY GOING TO SCHOOLBOARD ON THE FCPS HOME PAGE AND SELECTING BOARD DOCS UNDER UPCOMING SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS. THE MEETING IS ALSO BE STREAMED LIVE ONLINE. SELECT SCHOOL BOARD FROM THE FULL MENU AND CLICK WATCH LIVE BUTTON. PLEASE TURN OFF OR SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. I NOW CALL ON MS. CHU FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS. THANK YOU, MS. HONORABLE CHAIR. IT IS CROSSING GUARD APPRECIATION DAY. A STATE-WIDE EVENT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HELP STUDENTS CROSS THE STREET SAFELY ON THEIR WAY TO AND FROM SCHOOL WERE CELEBRATED IN FCPS. FCPWILL OBSERVE THE DAY BY HONORING THE CROSSING GUARDS WHO MANAGE THE CROSSINGS EVERY DAY. THE CROSSING GUARDS ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT. SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES CAN PLAN

004THEIR OWN CROSSING GUARD APPRECIATION DAY ACTIVITIES TO RECOGNIZE THE VALUABLE ROLE CROSSING GUARDS PLAY IN ENSURING STUDENT SAFETY. FCPS STATE SCHOOL PROGRAM AND THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION MAY OFFER WAYS TO SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION TO A CROSSING GUARD IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, MS. CHU. NOW ITEM 2.04, RECOGNITION OF CUSTODIAN APPRECIATION WEEK. MS. HYNES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO HONOR OUR CUSTODIANS. THESE ARE THE TRUE UNSUNG HEROES OF OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, I THINK. THEY KEEP OUR BUILDINGS SAFE AND ATTRACTIVE FOR OUR STUDENTS EVERY DAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, NO MATTER THE AGE OR, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE STATE OF REPAIR OF SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS, KNOWING THAT WE ARE BEYOND WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF OUR RENOVATION CYCLE SOMETIMES AND THESE ARE OLDER BUILDINGS THAT NEED

005A LOT OF WORK, AND WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THEIR WORK IS FOR OUR STUDENTS AND OUR TEACHERS, AND ALSO, I THINK CUSTODIANS PROVIDE FOR STUDENTS EVERY DAY A ROLE MODEL OF CARING AND HARD WORK IN THE BUILDINGS, AND THEY SEE THAT. THEY SEE PEOPLE GIVING AND WORKING HARD EVERY DAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR ALL YOU DO. WE DO HAVE ARE SOMETHING I WILL READ, A RECOGNITION. THE SCHOOL BOARD RECOGNIZES THE HARD WORK AND UNENDING DEDICATION OF THE CUSTODIANS WHO WORK FOR FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. OUR CUSTODIANS ARE THE FIRST EMPLOYEES TO ARRIVE IN THE MORNING AND THE LAST EMPLOYEES TO LEAVE AT NIGHT. BY PROVIDING CLEAN AND SAFE SCHOOL ENVIRONMENTS, THE CUSTODIANS AT FCPS HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE EDUCATIONAL SUCCESS OF OUR STUDENTS. MANY CUSTODIANS TAKE ADDITIONAL TRAINING LEADING

006TO CERTIFICATION AS PROFESSIONAL CUSTODIANS. THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY 20-24 HAS BEEN NAMED CUSTODIAN APPRECIATION WEEK TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK OUR DEDICATED CUSTODIANS WHOSE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND HIGH STANDARDS AFFECT ALL STUDENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF OUR GREAT CUSTODIANS WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT TO JOIN US AT THE DESK FOR A PICTURE WITH THE BOARD. IF I COULD, MR. MOON HAS ASKED TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WANT TO EXTEND MY SPECIAL APPRECIATION AND WELCOME TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE CUSTODIANS. IT BRINGS BACK MEMORIES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN MY MOTHER WAS A SCHOOL CUSTODIAN. CUSTODIANS WORK FOR THEIR OWN AMERICAN DREAMS AS WELL AS AMERICAN DREAMS OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

007HARD WORK AND WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK MS. CHU TO DO STUDENT. IN ADDITION, A LOT OF US STUDENTS ARE GEARING UP WITH MIND MATTERS, AS WELL AS THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON A PROJECT TO GET MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS CLUBS STARTED IN THESE SCHOOLS. SO THEY ARE GETTING READY THE REST OF THE YEAR TO COMPLETE OUR PROJECTS ON MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS BY HAVING MORE CLUBS AND MORE SUPPORT GROUPS OUT IN THE SCHOOLS SO I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE ALL OF THAT TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. TONIGHT, 10 CITIZENS HAVE SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE VIDEO TESTIMONY. SPEAKERS ARE REQUESTED TO LIMIT THEIR REMARKS TO NOT MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL NOT HEAR STATEMENTS

008INVOLVING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING SUCH AS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUDGET AND BOUNDARIES. COMPLAINTS REGARDING INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS OR SCHOOL-BASED EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE APPROPRIATE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL OR OTHER OFFICIAL. SPEAKERS SHOULD REFRAIN PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO A STUDENT. SPEAKERS ARE EXPECTED TO RESPECT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THE AUDIENCE AND WATCHING AT HOME SO LANGUAGE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL AGE LEVELS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE COME OUT TO SPEAK TO US TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE FIRST THREE NAMES. IF YOU WOULD COME DOWN AND BE READY TO SPEAK, WE APPRECIATE IT. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS ELISA MINOCK SPEAKING ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT AND ANNA URMAN SPEAKING ON THE AWARD OF CONTRACT, RELOCATION SERVICES FOR PORTABLE CLASSROOM TRAILERS. DAVID

009MIKA, ERFC2001 PLAN MODIFICATIONS. MS. MINOCK. HELLO, MY NAME IS ELISA MINOCK AND I AM A FRESHMAN. I ATTENDED A SEMINAR ABOUT DIVERSITY ON RACE, RELIGION, AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION. I WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY AWARE OF THIS PLANNED LESSON OR WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TAUGHT. DURING THE APPROXIMATELY 30-MINUTE VIDEO, DIVERSITY OF RELIGION WAS DISCUSSED AS WELL AS THE NEED TO RESPECT ALL RACES AND SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS. THE MAJORITY OF THE VIDEO CENTERED AROUND THE LGBT COMMUNITY AND HOW EVERYONE MUST BE ACCEPTING AND INCLUSIVE OF THEM. HOWEVER, I WAS CONFUSED, BECAUSE THE LIFESTYLE CHOICES DEMONSTRATED IN THE VIDEO GO AGAINST MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. I BECAME FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I FELT OBLIGATED TO SIT THROUGH A VIDEO ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE SHOULD BE PART OF OUR ACADEMIC TEACHINGS. SCHOOL IS WHERE ACADEMICS SHOULD BE TAUGHT, NOT LGBT

010INCLINATIONS. AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO, IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT THE FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL WAS ATTEMPTING TO FORCE ME TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T RESPECT MY BELIEFS, AND THAT I HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER. THE WHOLE SITUATION MADE ME FEEL STRESSED AND UNCOMFORTABLE. I WAS RAISED TO HAVE AND BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. I DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD TO BE RESPECT OTHERS. MY RESPECT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT MEAN THAT I HAVE TO APPROVE OF THEIR LIFESTYLE CHOICES. THIS VIDEO WAS ABOUT DIVERSITY, AND YET IT SEEMS AS IF MY RIGHTS AND BELIEFS AS A CATHOLIC ARE NOT RESPECTED. I RESPECT THE FACT THAT WE AS AMERICANS CAN CHOOSE TO LIVE OUR LIVES IN A MANNER THAT MAKES US FEEL BEST, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE TRYING TO FORCE

011ME TO ACCEPT LGBT BELIEFS. I RECEIVED THE SAME FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF MY FRIENDS, AND THEY ALSO THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BEING FORCED TO APPROVE OF THE LGBT LIFESTYLE. I BELIEVE THAT I AM NOT ALONE AND THAT MANY OTHERS FEEL THIS WAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANNA URMAN. [APPLAUSE] GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, I AM ANNA URMAN, A FAIRFAX COUNTY RESIDENT, PARENT OF ONE, SOON TO BE TWO SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN HERE. I AM A GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. SO THIS TOPIC IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME PUBLICLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. I SUPPORT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE'S WORK AND BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD OWES IT TO THE RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTY TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT UNBIASED MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT OUR MONEY IS WISELY DIRECTLY SPENT IN THE CLASSROOMS. ONE LEARNING EXAMPLE WHERE

012THE ASSESSMENT WOULD BE TIMELY AND RELEVANT IS THE RECENT AWARD OF A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT INITIALLY VALUED AT $279,000. THE CONTRACT IS FOR LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THEY HAVE ASSESSORS WHO OBSERVE CLASSROOMS, PERFORM LEADERSHIP TRAINING AND ADMINISTRATORS OF THE SCHOOLS. AT A TIME WHEN OUR KIDS ARE ATTENDING SCHOOLS IN TRAILERS WHILE THE SAME ADMINISTRATORS ARE IN CLASS A NEW COMPLEXES, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WASTE ANY MORE MONEY ON BUFFERING OF THE UPPER ECHELONS. THIS CONTRACT WAS INCREASED, BY THE WAY, IN JULY 2016 JUST 10 WEEKS BEFORE SUPERINTENDENT GARZA ANNOUNCED THAT SHE ACCEPTED A JOB AS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CONTRACTOR. MODIFICATION WAS EXERCISED TO ADD $363,000 MORE TO THE SECOND YEAR OF THE CRACK. THAT'S OVER $300,000 MORE OR ABOUT 649% THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THE YEAR. IT WOULD BE AT LEAST NAIVE TO ASSUME THAT

013THE TWO NEGOTIATIONS WERE CONDUCTED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF ONE ANOTHER. SHE IS, AFTER ALL, THE INCOMING CEO OF THAT ORGANIZATION. I URGE THE SCHOOL BOARD TO EXAMINE THE FINDINGS AND RESULTS OF THE 18-MONTH WORK FOR THE SCHOOLS, DETERMINE WHETHER OUR CHILDREN ARE REAPING THE REWARDS, TALK TO THE TEACHERS WHO AREN'T GETTING ENOUGH RESOURCES. ASK THE PARENTS WHOSE KIDS' PROGRAMS ARE BEING SLASHED. THE BOARD HAS A DUTY TO REEXAMINE THE ETHICS VIOLATIONS HERE, BOTH THE VIRGINIA ACT 2-2-3100 AND YOUR OWN POLICY 18.1.7 THAT APPLIES TO YOURSELF AND SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS, SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED ACTIONS INCLUDE GAINING ANYTHING OF VALUE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHILE PERFORMING PROFESSIONAL DUTIES OR WITH THE REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES BEING OFFERED TO INFLUENCE IN PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES. MS. GARZA IS IN VIOLATION OF SEVERAL OF THESE PROVISIONS. I URGE YOU FOR THE BEST

014INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND OUR KIDS TO ALLOW AN INDEPENDENT, UNBIASED AUDIT COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE SUCH EXPENDITURES AND HONESTLY DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE TRULY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] SUPERINTENDENT, STAFF, RETIRED AND CURRENT TEACHERS. MY NAME IS DAVID MIKA. I HAVE COME TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE ERFC. MY FATHER, WALTER JOHN MIKA, A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. BOTH OF MY PARENTS, WALTER AND HARRIET WERE TEACHERS AT FAIRFAX COUNTY FOR A COMBINED 64 YEARS. WE LOST MY MOTHER THREE YEARS AGO TO LUNG CANCER, BUT TEACHING IN THIS COUNTY AND GIVING THE GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE TO ITS CHILDREN WAS BOTH MY PARENTS' CALLING IN LIFE. MY FATHER'S WORK EXTENDED BEYOND THE CLASSROOM AND IN SERVICE OF ALL TEACHERS AND THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE HIM. HE SERVED

015AS A MEMBER AND A VICE CHAIR PERSON OF THE ERFC BOARD AND ALSO SERVED IN THE VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM SERVING ONE TERM AS THE VICE CHAIRMAN. I'M HERE THIS EVENING BECAUSE MY FATHER CANNOT. WALTER, WHO SPENT SO MANY OF HIS YEARS FOCUSING ON THE TRAINING OF YOUNG MINDS, IS NOW FORCED TO HOLD ONTO WHAT HE CAN OF HIS OWN. HE SUFFERS FROM DEMENTIA AND ALZHEIMER'S. IN MY MIND, AN ENDING THAT IS UNFAIR FOR ANYONE. BUT I'VE COME TO ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS ONE RETIREE AND -- THE ONE RETIREE, YOUR FORMER EMPLOYEE, IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE THREE QUESTIONS. ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED TONIGHT FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO WALTER IF HE WAS JUST STARTING HIS CAREER? I ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE AT THE AGE OF 34, HE AND OTHERS BANDED TOGETHER AND

016WORKED TO BERTH ERFC. EVEN AT THE YOUNG AGE, MY FATHER THOUGHT OF THOSE AROUND HIM AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR LATER YEARS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO RELY ON OTHERS, THAT THEY COULD BE COMFORTABLE. PLEASE STOP AND THINK ABOUT YOUR CURRENT YOUNGER STAFF WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THESE CHANGES. I ASK YOU TO ALSO, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT, I ALSO ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE BROADER IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR ACTIONS. I'VE READ VARIED REPORTS ABOUT HOW MUCH THESE CHANGES MAY SAVE FCPS. MY QUESTION IS, HOW WILL THOSE SAVINGS THAT YOU TAKE FROM THE ERFC TODAY BE MADE UP FOR BY FUTURE RETIREES? WHERE WILL THE FUNDING COME FROM? NONE OF US MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THIS, BUT I STAND HERE TO SAY THAT TAKING MONEY TODAY IS NOT

017WORTH THE RISK TO FUTURE EMPLOYEES. AND LASTLY, ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES TO LIVE, ARE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING MAKING TO ERFC FAIR TO YOUR EMPLOYEES TODAY AND TOMORROW. IF WALTER WAS YOUR FATHER, FACING THE CHALLENGES HE IS, WOULD YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES? I'M HERE TODAY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, TO STAND FOR MY FATHER, HIS COWORKERS, FELLOW TEACHERS, AND RETIREES, BECAUSE MY FATHER AND MOTHER WORKED, SLEPT, AND WORKED AS A SCHOOL TEACHER. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I ASK YOU TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER YOUR DECISION. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. I HAVE MONICA CAMERON SPEAKING ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT. I'M MONICA CAMERON. I AM THE MOTHER OF THREE FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS AND I AM A DAUGHTER OF A RETIRED, FULLY FUNDED RETIRED TEACHER. THE TOPIC OF THE AUDIT

018COMMITTEE MEMBER SELECTION WAS ON THE AGENDA WHEN I SIGNED UP BUT HAS SINCE THEN BEEN PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION. I THINK THIS TOPIC IS AS IT RELATES -- I THINK THE TOPIC AS IT RELATES NOW TO THE SCHOOL BUDGET IS IMPORTANT AND I AM HERE TONIGHT ON ON BEHALF OF OF AN ARMY OF A SCHOOL OF CITIZENS TO PUT THE INTERNAL AUDIT AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITIES. CITIZENS EXPECT THE SCHOOL BOARD NOT ONLY TO PREPARE AN AUDIT PLAN BUT TO CONDUCT AUDITS ON SCHEDULE. AND WE ALSO EXPECT FOLLOW-UP AND ACTION TAKEN ON AUDIT FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FOLLOWING ARE JUST A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THE AUDITOR'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE NOT ACTED UPON. IN THE CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AUDIT, IT WAS SAMPLED THAT 67% OF ALL CONTRACTS ARE SOLE FORCE. THAT

019MEANS FCPS DOESN'T COMPETE OR REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR SOLICITATION TO COMPETE FOR BEST PRACTICE. IN THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR YOU NEED AT LEAST THREE BIDS AND WRITTEN JUSTIFICATION OF THE SOLE SOURCE. BEST CASE SCENARIO, FCPS HAS JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY 67% OF ITS PURCHASES ARE SOLE SOURCE. THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY SERIOUS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. I'M A PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTS ADMINISTRATOR, ASK THIS IS IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING, NOT A BEST PRACTICE FOR ANY ORGANIZATION, ESPECIALLY A $2.7 BILLION ORGANIZATION, AND CERTAINLY NOT GOOD STEWARDSHIP OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. NUMBER 2, THE AUDIT FOR THE CARRY-OVER OF ENDING BALANCE OF $144 MILLION NEEDS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. CITIZENS NEED ASSURANCES THAT THE ENDING BALANCE IS NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS OF UNREALIZED PROJECTS THAT GET TURNED OVER AS A MEANS TO KEEP HOLDING THE FUNDING. ENDING BALANCE

020SHOULD BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY BY AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR REPORTING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, NOT AN AUDITOR REPORTING TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND COO. GOOD STEWARDSHIP WOULD REQUIRE THAT FUNDS FROM A NON-CONTRACTED PROJECT THAT HASN'T BEEN INITIATED WITHIN TWO YEARS SHOULD BE FREED UP AND USED TO FUND OTHER ESSENTIAL NEEDS, AND HEY, HOW ABOUT THIS, TEACHER SALARY INCREASES. MANY CONSIDER THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS BEEN FULLY FUNDED EVERY YEAR, AND AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THE ENDING BALANCE AND THE CARRY-OVER FUNDS WOULD LIKELY ENSURE FCPS WOULD NOT HAVE A BUDGET SHORT FALL EVERY YEAR AS IT HAS. NUMBER 3, AUDIT OF THE HEALTHCARE COST VALUED AT $284 MILLION SHOULD BE DONE ANNUALLY AS DO MOST SCHOOL SYSTEMS AROUND THE COUNTRY. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN COST SAVINGS ON ERRONEOUS BILLINGS AND ADMINISTRATIVE ERRORS HAVE RECONCILED FROM 1% TO 10% OF THE

021EXPENSES SO IN OUR COUNTY, THAT WOULD CREATE A COST SAVINGS OF UP TO $2.8 MILLION A YEAR. THE AUDIT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF AND LEAVE MONEY FOR OTHER EXPENSES AND, HEY, LIKE TEACHER SALARY INCREASES. NUMBER 4, THE FACTS CONTRACT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION BOND AUDITS. MOST PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE THAT FCPS HAS A CONTRACT WITH FAIRFAX SCHOOL TO SUBLET SCHOOL SPACE TO USE FOR THE SCHOOL AGED CHILD CARE PROGRAM. REMARKABLY, THIS CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN RENEGOTIATED IN IT ENTIRETY IN 30 YEARS. AND EVEN IF SOME OF THE AUDITS HAD BEEN COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER. COULD YOU WRAP UP, PLEASE. PARDON ME? COULD YOU WRAP UP, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. THIS IS MY LAST TWO SENTENCES. EVEN IF SOME OF THE AUDITS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER AND ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY THE SCHOOL BOARD,

022FCPS COULD HAVE ALREADY SAVED PROGRAMS AND STOPPED TEACHERS FROM LEAVING TO GO TO OTHER COUNTIES FOR HIGHER SALARIES. WE LOVE OUR TEACHERS, AND WE ASK THAT YOU DO YOUR PARTS TO KEEP THEM IN FCPS BY CONDUCTING AN IMMEDIATE INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THE CARRY-OVER FUNDS AND ENDING BALANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] JAMES RULAND. GOOD EVENING, I AM JIM RULAND. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT THE AUDIT COMMITMENT APPOINTMENT. THE RELEVANT REGULATION SAYS THE MISSION OF THIS OFFICE IS TO INDEPENDENTLY DETERMINE WHETHER THE ONGOING PROCESSES FISCAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE OPTIONS THROUGH THE FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ADEQUATELY DESIGNED, FUNCTIONING IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER, AND FULLY ACCOUNTABLE TO ITS CITIZENS. AFTER YOU REVISED THE REGULATION IN 2012, YOU ADDED TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, HIRED AN AUDITOR GENERAL, PUT HER ON PAID LEAVE

023AFTER ONE YEAR AND SHE AND THE SENIOR AUDIT MANAGER NO LONGER WORK FOR THE FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. YOU JUST HIRED AN INTERIM AUDITOR GENERAL WITH A BACKGROUND IN HUMAN RESOURCES, NOT IN FINANCE OR AUDIT. AND OUR LAST SUPERINTENDENT LEFT UNEXPECTEDLY, JUST AFTER YOU RENEWED HER CONTRACT. WHAT HAPPENED? HARD TO TELL BECAUSE SO MANY MEETINGS ARE DONE IN CLOSED SESSIONS. FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY BUT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, TRANSPARENCY GIVES WAY TO APOSTASY. COULD IT BE SPECIAL FRAUD ABUSE PER MANAGEMENT? TOP-HEAVY MANAGEMENT CONSTANTLY CHASING NEW FADS? ARE WE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON TRANSGENDER REGULATIONS DETERMINING WHICH TERMS COULD BE USED IN K-12, Z, ZIM, ZER OR ZEE? MY FAVORITE PRONOUN IS YOUR MAJESTY. MY WIFE DISAGREES. WE CAN GET A HINT FROM THE COMMITTEES YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. 1410 SAYS INTERNAL

024CONTROLS HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL AND CONDUCT IS ONLY PROBLEMATIC IF IT'S MEASURABLE AND BOTH SUBSTANTIVE AND CONSEQUENTIAL UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. OTHER SECTIONS LIMIT INVESTIGATIONS OF SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, THE SUPERINTENDENT AND OTHER TOP. WHY? REGULATION 1420 IS BECOMING A SCHOOL BOARD POLICY AND YOU'RE DELETING THE SECTION ABOUT HAVING TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AS THE ONLY VOTING MEMBERS. DOES THAT MEAN YOU INTEND TO RETURN TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS AND PUT THE COO, CEO AND CFO BACK ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AS VOTING MEMBERS? TO MAKE SURE ANY POTENTIAL INVESTIGATIONS CAN BE NIPPED IN THE BUD AND DIRTY LAUNDRY KEPT HIDDEN. WHAT PROMPTED THESE CHANGES? WHY DID THE AUDITOR GENERAL AND SENIOR AUDIT MANAGER LEAVE. WHY DON'T YOU WANT REQUIREMENTS IN THE REVISED RULES ABOUT WHO CAN AND CAN'T BE A VOTING MEMBER ON

025THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. IF YOU AREN'T WILLING TO ANSWER THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS, WHY SHOULD THE PUBLIC TRUST TO YOU MANAGE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM'S RESOURCES? THANK YOU, AND THAT'S THE END OF MY TALK. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ZACH WOJCIECH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ZACH WOJCIECH AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY STATING THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE AUDIT COMMITMENT APPOINTMENT, I SUPPORT AUDITING THE SCHOOLS, TO HELP IMPROVE MANAGEMENT ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROTECT AGAINST ABUSE AND WASTE. MY REMARKS TODAY WERE JUST THE WIDESPREAD ABUSE AND WAYS THAT THE ILLEGAL EXTENSION OF POLICY 1450 TO INCLUDE GENDER IDENTITY WILL CAUSE. TODAY, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, ALONG WITH THOUSANDS OF TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS ARE BEING BULLIED INTO ACCEPTING THAT A STUDENT CAN

026CHANGE THEIR GOD-GIVEN BIOLOGICAL IDENTITY FROM MALE TO FEMALE OR FEMALE TO MALE DESPITE IT BEING IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE SEXES. THIS UNWANTED SCHOOL PRESSURE IS NOT ONLY AN EGREGIOUS VIOLATION OF THEIR PERSONAL AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM BUT A BLATANT ATTACK ON COMMON SENSE. EVEN WORSE, ADDING GENDER IDENTITY WOULD PUT THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS IN HARM'S WAY. THESE ARE THE STUDENTS SUSCEPTIBLE TO CONSIDER CHANGING THEIR GENDER IDENTITY WHEN THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE. THE POWER OF SUGGESTION BY RESPECTED PUBLIC SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS AND FACULTY COMBINED WITH THIS AGGRESSIVE INTIMIDATION BY LGBT ACTIVISTS AND THE RADICAL LEFT MAY BE TOO MUCH FOR SOME OF THEM TO WITHSTAND. THIS UNWANTED PRESSURE IS CLEARLY A VIOLATION OF THE PERSONAL AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AS WELL AS THAT OF THEIR FAMILIES. THE SECOND HORRIFIC IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT BOYS WILL GO INTO GIRL'S

027BATHROOMS, LOCKER ROOMS, AND EVEN SHOWERS AND VICE VERSA, WHEN THEY ARE CLEARLY UNWANTED AND IN ITSELF IS A FORM OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. SEXUAL PROMISCUITY IS BOUND TO INCREASE AS BOYS CONTINUE TO SEE GIRLS UNDRESS AND SHOWER AND VICE VERSA. EVEN WORSE, THE RISK OF ASSAULT AND RAPE WILL INCREASE AS BARRIERS TO PROTECT STUDENTS FROM CONFUSED PEOPLE AND THOSE WHO WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM ARE REMOVED. THE GREATEST IMPACT OF THIS OUTREACH IS THE ATTACK ON COMMON DECENCY WILL BE ON UNSUSPECTED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS. THEY WILL BE FORCED TO PREMATURELY ABANDON THEIR CHILDHOOD AND FORCED TO ENDURE A LIE OR BE PRODDED BY SOME OF THEIR PEERS IF THEY DON'T. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ILLEGALLY AND IMMORALLY MESSING WITH THE HEARTS OF CHILDREN, 99% OF WHOM ARE MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY HEALTHY. LASTLY, STUDENT SAFETY AND

028SECURITY WILL BE GROSSLY COMPROMISED. ALLOWING BOYS TO GO INTO THE GIRL'S BATHROOMS OR LOCKER ROOMS WILL MAKE FEMALE STUDENTS FEEL UNSAFE. IT WOULD ONLY TAKE ONE UNWANTED CONFRONTATION TO BE SEEN IN THE NEWS TO SCARE ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND CAUSE UNLIMITED FINANCIAL LIABILITY UPON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT EXTENDING POLICY 1450 TO INCLUDE GENDER IDENTITY WILL RESULT IN THE ABUSE OF ALL FAIRFAX PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES. ALSO, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WILL BE WASTED TO RECOVER ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT AND LEGAL COST SO I SOLEMNLY URGE YOU TO REPEAL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF EXTENSION OF POLICY 1450. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] I HAVE JOHN MURRAY TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM CRANMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ERICA NEWSOM AND KEVIN HICKERSON. MR. MURRAY. THANK YOU

029FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT. AN AUDIT IS A PUBLIC ASSPECT -- EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED, COULD YOU PLEASE LET OUR CLERK HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFO? SURE. MY NAME IS KAREN HUSSELMAN. AN AUDIT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. HAVING ANOTHER PERSON REVIEW YOUR ACTIVITIES AND COMPARING THEM AGAINST SPECIFIC CRITERIAS CAN BE VALUABLE AS YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN IMPARTIAL OBSERVER TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK REGARDING YOUR WORK AND TECHNIQUES AND DETERMINING IF THE PROBLEMS THE PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED TO MITIGATE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. AS AN EXAMPLE, LET'S LOOK AT THE FAMILY LIFE EDUCATION PROGRAM. THE FAIRFAX COUNTY PARENT AND CHILD GROUP COMPLETED A REVIEW OF THE PROGRAM DUE TO CONTINUED INSERTION OF QUESTIONABLE MATERIAL INTO THE CURRICULUM OVER THE OBJECTIONS AND

030CONCERNS OF SOME FAIRFAX COUNTY PARENTS AND TAXPAYERS. THE PARENT AND CHILD GROWTH ASSESSMENT OF THE 91 LESSONS IN THE CURRENT CURRICULUM PROVIDED 36 OPT-OUT RECOMMENDATIONS AND 40 CAUTION ADVISORIES TO PARENTS. IN SHORT, THE PARENT AND CHILD GROWTH ASSESSED THAT OVER 40% OF THE FLA PROGRAM INCLUDES OBJECTIONABLE INSTRUCTION AND ANOTHER 40% OF THE INSTRUCTION IS ADVISORY. THAT'S THE PUBLIC AND THE CURRICULUM DEVELOPED EVEN KNOW WHY, AND THIS HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO MANY PARENTS. THE FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THE CURRICULUM TO INCLUDE ALL LESSONS THAN IMPROPERLY TRANSFERRED TO THE HEALTH CURRICULUM THAT DENY PARENTS THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT OF THE INSTRUCTION. MOST OF ALL, THE AUDIT SHOULD DETERMINE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FLE PROGRAM AND REDUCING PROBLEMS IT

031WAS ESTABLISHED TO PREVENT. AS A REMINDER, THE FLE PROGRAM WAS STARTED IN THE LATE 80S AND EARLY 90S TO COMBAT TEEN PREGNANCY AND STD S, MOSTLY, HIV AND AIDS. THE CODE OF VIRGINIA STATED THE PROGRAM WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTION FOR STUDENTS IN FAMILY LIVING AND RELATIONSHIPS, HUMAN SEXUALITY, REPRODUCTION, THE VALUE OF POSTPONING SEXUAL ACTIVITY. THE GOAL WAS TO REDUCE THE INCIDENTS OF PREGNANCY OR STDS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE AMONG TEENAGERS. IN 1999, A LEGISLATOR ADDED ABSTINENCE. IN 2002, ADOPTION IS A POSITIVE CHOICE FOR AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY. IN 2004, THAT'S TO AVOID SEXUAL ASSAULT AND AVOIDING THE AVAILABILITY OF COUNSELING AND LEGAL RESOURCES, IN 2007, DATING VIOLENCE. TURNING BACK TO VIRGINIA CODE, ALL FLE WAS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. A QUALIFIED AUDIT COULD ALSO INCLUDE ENGAGING OF THE PARENTS TO DETERMINE THEIR DEGREE OF PARENTAL

032INVOLVEMENT MADE READILY AVAILABLE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTING A MEMBER OF THE PARENT-CHILD ORGANIZATION OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE TO LEAD AN AUDIT OF THE FLE PROGRAM IN 2017. THANK YOU. TOM CRANMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ERICA NEWSOM. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING HERE WITH ALL THE PARENTS HERE AND STUDENTS. THE SPEAKERS BEFORE HAVE BEEN VERY THOROUGH, AND PROVIDED SOME REALLY IMPORTANT TOPICS. I HOPE THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS REALLY LISTEN AND TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO ACCOUNT. I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT ELIZABETH SCHULTZ FOR HER COMMENTS TODAY ON WMAL. YOU CAN HEAR THEM -- IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR THEM THIS AFTERNOON -- BY GOING TO WMAL AND LISTENING ON THEIR POD CAST. SHE MADE SOME REALLY IMPORTANT POINTS. ONE WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PARENTAL ROLE.

033PEOPLE LOVE TO TALK ABOUT, LET'S GIVE MORE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS. WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IN LEARNING, I THINK, IS PRIMARILY 50% BECAUSE OF PARENTS' GUIDANCE, AND ENCOURAGEMENT AND CERTAINLY HAVING PUSHY PARENTS. VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. IN ALL THIS DISCUSSION, I NEVER HEAR OF THIS. ELIZABETH TALKED ABOUT CRITICAL THINKING. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE THINGS. WE SEEM TO BE GENERATING AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF KIDS WHO CAN'T ANALYZE THEIR WAY OUT OF A PAPER BAG. THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TEMPORARY STAY ON BRINGING IN IMMIGRANTS FROM A HANDFUL OF COUNTRIES. THIS WASN'T A MUSLIM THING. IT WAS -- CLEARLY, IF ANYBODY BOTHERED TO READ WHAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE ORDER, IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MUSLIMS. DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MUSLIMS. I STUDIED IN HAMAS FOR THREE YEARS, AND IT'S

034JUST IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO READ AS WELL AS WRITE AND COMPUTE, AND APPARENTLY, THE BERKELEY UNIVERSITY, 47% OF THE GRADUATES ARE STILL LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS IN THEIR PARENTS' BASEMENT. THIS IS REALLY INCREDIBLE IN THIS SITUATION OF AMERICA. AMERICA HAS A RANKING INTERNATIONALLY OF ONLY 25 OUT OF ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. I WORKED IN OUTER MONGOLIA. THE OUTER MON GOLIANS WHO BASICALLY FOR THE MOST PART LIVE IN TENTS IN SLUMS EXCEED IN MATHEMATICS AND BEAT PRACTICALLY EVERYBODY. WHY ARE THEY SUCCEEDING AND WE AREN'T? YOU'VE GOT TO ANALYZE WHAT'S GOING ON. THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF TEACHERS AND THE KIDS AND THE PARENTS AND THE TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REMIND SPEAKERS THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, TO PLEASE GIVE A COPY OF YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO

035THE CLERK SO WE CAN POST THEM. ERICA NEWSOM. IS ERICA NEWSOM HERE? ALL RIGHT. KEVIN HICKERSON. PRESIDENT OF FEA TO TALK ABOUT THE ERFC 2001 PLAN MODIFICATIONS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR JOHN NEMIC TO BE PUT ON THE LIST IF MS. NEWSOM IS NOT HERE? OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW. I WAS JUST ASKING MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? I'M AFRAID NOT. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE JOHN NEMIC SOME OF MY TIME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS JOHN NEMIC, THE PRESIDENT OF FIREFIGHTERS IAF2068. ON BEHALF OF 1900 MEMBERS I STAND HERE IN FULL SUPPORT AND SOLIDARITY OF MY SISTERS AND BROTHERS IN EDUCATION LABOR. WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? SINCE THE GREAT RECESSION, PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS AND THE LIKE HAVE TAKEN IT ON THE CHIN, ELECTED OFFICIALS, POLITICAL PUNDITS, AND

036MANY OTHERS HAVE BLAMED US FOR THE INTERRUPTION OF OUR NATION'S GROWTH AND ECONOMIC FUTURE. TELL THAT TO A FAMILY WHERE FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS JUST SAVED A LIFE. A TEACHER WORKING TIRELESSLY WITH A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD OR A POLICE OFFICER WHO JUST REMOVED CHILDREN FROM AN ABUSIVE HOUSEHOLD. BECAUSE THE MILLS TAX DID NOT PASS, DON'T BALANCE THE SCHOOL BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF OUR TEACHERS. HAVE A PLAN. GET THE IMPACT BEFORE YOU PASS ANY CHANGES TO THE TEACHERS' PENSION SYSTEM. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS EVENING WOULD BE A MAJOR SETBACK NOT ONLY TO THE PENSION SYSTEM OVERALL, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO FUTURE EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR INFLUENCE WITH SHAPING OUR CHILDREN, THE WORLD'S FUTURE. BOTH OF MY DAUGHTERS ARE A PRODUCT OF THE FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I'M PROUD OF

037THAT. MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER IS FINISHING UP HER MASTERS DEGREE AT GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN SCHOOL COUNSELING. PUT THAT WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS EVENING WOULD MOST CERTAINLY AFFECT HER FUTURE SHOULD SHE DECIDE TO APPLY FOR EMPLOYMENT WITH FAIRFAX COUNTY. VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL TO THE CHANGE TO ERFC. THANK YOU. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] CAN'T SAY IT BETTER THAN JOHN, AND YOU KNOW OUR POSITION, AND WE PUT A PETITION OUT AND WE GOT STORIES. WE GATHER A LOT OF THEM, AND WE GOT A LOT OF THEM FROM THE NON-VESTED EMPLOYEES THAT YOU PLAN TO MAKE CHANGES TO. ONE EMPLOYEE SAID THAT THE FCPS BOARD PLAN TO MODIFY THE BENEFITS IS EXTREMELY UPSETTING. I HAVE ACCEPTED A LOWER INCOME THAN I HAVE HAD IN PRIOR 30 YEARS, SPENT SIGNIFICANT TIME AND MONEY TO OBTAIN A TEACHING LICENSE,

038REFRESH MY MATH SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE AND MASTERS IN EDUCATION. SPENT FAR MORE IN CONTRACT HOURS TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR MY STUDENTS AND SCHOOL WITH THE EXPECTATION OF A REASONABLE RETIREMENT BENEFIT. NOW BECAUSE I FIND I HAVE FOUR YEARS ACCRUED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS YEAR, THE BOARD FEELS AT LIBERTY TO RENEGE ON THE BENEFITS AFTER I HAVE HONORED MY OBLIGATION TO MY STUDENTS, MY SCHOOL AND FCPS. THIS DOES NOT PROMOTE ENGAGEMENT. I CONSIDER THIS PLAN OF MODIFYING ERFC TO BE A DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE AGREEMENT I ENTERED INTO WITH FCPS. ANOTHER TEACHER SAID, I LOST MY HUSBAND FOUR YEARS AGO AND BEGAN TEACHING FOR FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO START A NEW CAREER LATER IN LIFE. I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT WHEN I'LL EVER BE ABLE TO RETIRE AND HOW I'LL

039BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF IN THE FUTURE AS A NON-VESTED EMPLOYEE. THESE ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES. THESE ARE THE STORIES, HANDS OFF OUR ERFC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE VIDEO TESTIMONY FROM DARRELL RICHARDS ALSO ON ERFC. MY NAME IS DARRELL RICHARDS AND A TEACHER AT WOODSON HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE THREE THINGS I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN CONSIDERING THE CHANGES TO THE ERFC PENSION PLAN. THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT CPI SHOULD BE USED. YOU CAN EITHER USE A NATIONAL CPI OR A LOCAL CPI. THE FAIRFAX COUNTY CPI USES A LOCAL PLAN. IT INCLUDES BOTH WEST VIRGINIA AND ALL OF VIRGINIA AS A STATE, NOT JUST THE D.C. METRO AREA, WHICH WOULD LIKELY ACTUALLY HAVE A HIGHER LOW RATE OF INFLATION THAN ALL OF THOSE STATES COMBINED. NOW,

040THAT BRINGS US TO THE NEXT QUESTION WHICH IS SHOULD YOU CHANGE THE COLA AT ALL? RETIREMENT BENEFITS BENEFIT THE LOCAL ECONOMY IN WHICH THE RETIREE LIVES, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WILL SPEND THE MONEY THERE, WHICH THEN BENEFITS THE ECONOMY. IT'S BEST FOR US TO KEEP THE RETIREES IN FAIRFAX COUNTY, WHICH IS HARD TO DO, BECAUSE OUR COST OF LIVING IS SO HIGH IN FAIRFAX COUNTY. THE 3% COLA HELPS THEM TO BE ABLE TO STAY HERE IN FAIRFAX COUNTY. AND KEEP THE LOCAL DOLLARS IN THE COUNTY. WHICH THEN BRINGS US TO MY LAST CONCERN, THE RULE OF 90 AMENDMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE RULE OF 90 AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY BRING US MORE IN LINE WITH THE VRF PENSION PLAN BUT THE THING TO NOTICE THERE IS THAT VRF HAS A EARLY RETIREMENT

041ELIGIBILITY OF 60 AND 5 YEARS OF SERVICE. ALSO THAT RULE OF 90 WOULD THEN TRUMP THE OTHER PART OF THE ERFC RETIREMENT, WHICH IS 60 AND FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE. PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I DO HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT. WE GO TO ITEM 4.01, CONFIRMATION OF ACTION TAKEN IN CLOSED MEETING. THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE THE BOARD WILL CONFIRM ANY ACTION TAKEN IN CLOSED MEETING. THIS MAY INCLUDE STUDENT DISCIPLINARY MATTERS. BOARD MEMBERS HAVE DISCUSSED EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE AND AT THIS TIME, WE'LL MAKE SEVERAL MOTIONS TO CONFIRM THE RECOMMENDED ACTION. I CALL ON MS. HYNES FOR THE FIRST MOTION I MOVE TO DENY THE SCHOOL

042REALIGNMENT APPEAL OF A STUDENT WHO POSSESSED A DRUG AT SCHOOL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND THE MOTION. SECONDED BY MRS. STRAUSS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE YOUR HAND. HYNES, PALCHIK. STRAUSS IS HERE. SCHULTZ. SANDERS, STRAUSS, MOON, DERENAK KAUFAX AND McELVEEN. ALL OPPOSED OR ABSTAINING? McLAUGHLIN AND WILSON. THAT MOTION PASSES. I CALL ON MRS. STRAUSS FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO TERMINATE THE EMPLOYMENT OF A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE IDENTIFIED IN CLOSED SESSION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MS. HYNES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S HYNES, PALCHIK, HOUGH, SCHULTZ, CORBETT SANDERS, STRAUSS, MOON, DERENAK KAUFAX AND McELVEEN. ALL OPPOSED, ALL ABSTAINING. EVANS, McLAUGHLIN AND WILSON. THAT MOTION PASSES. WE TURN TO ITEM 4.02 ERFC PLAN MODIFICATIONS. CALL ON MR. MOON WITH THE MOTION. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MOVE THAT THE SCHOOL

043BOARD DRAFT THE TRUSTEES TO IMPLEMENT THE FOLLOWING ERFC PLAN MODIFICATIONS, EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2017. ALL ERFC MEMBERS, 1, LOWERING THE INTEREST CREDITING RATE ON ERFC MEMBER ACCOUNTS FROM 5 PERCENT TO 4 PERCENT. ERFC 2001 MEMBERS HIRED ON OR AFTER JULY 1, 2017, AND NON-VESTED MEMBERS AS OF JUNE 30, 2017. 2, INSTITUTING A MINIMUM RETIREMENT AGE OF 55. 3, INCREASING THE PERIOD FOR CALCULATING THE FINAL AVERAGE SALARY FROM THREE YEARS TO FIVE YEARS. 4, CHANGING THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT TO EQUAL 100 PERCENT OF THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX WITH A CAP OF 4 PERCENT AND PRESENT TO ERFC 2001 AMENDED PLAN DOCUMENTS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR APPROVAL BY JUNE 2017. IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY MRS. STRAUSS. MR. MOON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? JUST BRIEFLY, MADAM CHAIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT

044THERE WILL BE A MOTION TO POSTPONE AT WHICH I INTEND TO SUPPORT, EVEN THOUGH I AM FULLY PREPARED TO VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. I ALSO WANT TO RESPECT THE DESIRE OF SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS, THE COLLEAGUES OF MINE, WHO WANT MORE TIME AND MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, WHICH IS WHY I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE LATER ON. BUT I SAW -- I AM NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE MERITS OR DEMERITS OF THE MAIN MOTION ITSELF THIS EVENING, BUT I WANT TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HIRED A CONSULTANT TO CONDUCT A STUDY WHICH BENCHMARKED FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS RETIREMENT BENEFIT LEVELS TO SURROUNDING SCHOOL DIVISIONS, AND FAIRFAX COUNTY GOVERNMENTS IN WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, THERE

045WAS AN EFFORT TO SUPPORT INCREASING EMPLOYEE SALARIES AND IMPROVE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE FCPS SUPPLEMENTARY RETIREMENT PROGRAM CALLED ERFC. AND IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, ERFC PRESENTED THE HISTORY OF FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEMS RETIREMENT PROGRAMS, ALONG WITH THE KEY PROVISIONS OF THE EXISTING PLANS. AND AT THAT TIME, THE CONSULTANT WAS PRESENTED ERFC OPTIONS FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE CONSIDERATION, AND IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, TO BE EXACT JULY 21, THE SCHOOL BOARD CONSIDERED THE BENEFIT IMPACT OF VARIOUS OPTIONS, INCLUDING THOSE ELEMENTS WHICH ARE PART OF TONIGHT'S MAIN MOTION. AND AFTER THAT, WE HAVE THREE MORE -- FOUR MORE WORK SESSIONS. IT WAS SEPTEMBER AND NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER AND FINALLY, IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DISCUSS WHAT THE CONSENSUS MAIN MOTION AND ERFC MODIFICATIONS SHOULD BE, AND WHAT I READ AS THE MAIN MOTION

046WAS THE CONSENSUS MOTION BY THE BOARD. AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE MERITS AND DEMERITS OF THE MAIN MOTION ITSELF BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING TO POSTPONE. MS. STRAUSS. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU, MR. MOON, FOR YOUR DETAILED CHRONOLOGY ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO BRINGITOUS THIS POINT. I'M GOING TO CALL ON MS. PALCHIK FOR A PRIVILEGED MOTION, MS. PALCHIK. THANK YOU, YES. I MOVE TO POSTPONE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION UNTIL APRIL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECONDED BY MRS. CORBETT SANDERS. MS. PALCHIK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? YES, THANK YOU, I WILL TRY. AND I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH MS. CORBETT SANDERS AND I AND THIS REALLY LAST MINUTE DECISION TO POSTPONE A FINAL DECISION. WHILE THE INITIAL UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE BEGAN DISCUSSIONS --

047AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, AS MR. MOON EXPLAINED -- WAS THAT THE DECISION TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE ERFC NEEDED TO OCCUR AT THIS TIME BY FEBRUARY. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF AND THEY'VE INFORMED US THAT WE INDEED CAN POSTPONE THE DECISION AND MAKE THE PROPOSED CHANGES IF WE CHOOSE TO IN APRIL. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO RECEIVE FURTHER INFORMATION FROM THE ERFC BOARD WHICH I BELIEVE WILL BE ASKED FOR TODAY, AND I WILL SUPPORT THAT, AND TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THOSE CHANGES. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL OR WILL NOT MAKE PROPOSED CHANGES AT THAT TIME. THIS MEANS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE FINAL BUDGET TRANSFER WILL BE FROM THE COUNTY. AND TO DISCUSS THE VARIOUS OPTIONS IN

048A MORE WHOLISTIC MANNER THAT DEPEND ON OUR BENEFITS. SO SALARY AND OUR FULL BENEFITS PACKAGE, INCLUDING PENSIONS AND HEALTHCARE. TO BE CLEAR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE FOR OUR CHILDREN THAT WE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN THE BEST STAFF IN OUR COUNTY, AND WE ARE IN TIGHT TIMES, AND THESE ARE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS. SO IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT AND TO GIVE OURSELVES THE TIME TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM POSSIBILITIES AND THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF THOSE TO OUR SYSTEM, I DO ASK THAT MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN MS. CORBETT SANDERS AND I IN POSTPONING FURTHER CONVERSATION ON DECISIONS THAT COULD HAVE HUGE IMPACTS ON OUR STAFF AND OUR SYSTEM. THAT BEING SAID, I DO HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ASK THE FOLLOW-ON MOTIONS IN WHATEVER MANNER THEY HAPPEN, SHOULD THIS

049MOTION PASS, THAT MS. HOUGH AND MS. HYNES WILL BE ASKING OF THE ERFC BOARD BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS COME TO LIGHT MORE RECENTLY SINCE WE HAD OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, THAT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL DATA OR ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT. SO TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL APRIL, WHICH IS AFTER THE MARCH 31ST DEADLINE OF A REQUEST THAT MAY BE COMING AFTER THIS FOR INFORMATION FROM OUR ERFC BOARD. MRS. CORBETT SANDERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? YES, PLEASE. MS. PALCHIK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. SUCH HARD WORK AND DILIGENCE ON THIS. BECAUSE WHAT THIS DECISION WOULD MEAN IS THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO COLLECT MORE INFORMATION AND TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISION MAKING. I KNOW THAT THERE IS A COMMITMENT AMONGST THIS

050BOARD TO CONTINUOUSLY LOOK AT OUR PROCESSES AND LOOK AT OUR WAY OF DOING THINGS TO IMPROVE AND SO THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL AREAS OF INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GAIN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO CONTINUED DIALOGUE THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, BOTH AMONGST OURSELVES AND WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THE -- THAT ALL OF OUR STAFF ARE GIVEN A COMPETITIVE -- REALLY A COMPETITIVE BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES SALARY AND BENEFITS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY. WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS IN THE BIGGER CONTEXT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH BUDGET SEASON. SO I WELCOME HAVING A BIT MORE TIME IN POSTPONING THIS DECISION UNTIL AFTER MARCH 30. THANK YOU. MS. McLAUGHLIN. I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT SEVERAL

051OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE IN TRYING TO FIND THE BEST APPROACH TO A VERY COMPLICATED DECISION, AND WE CERTAINLY AS A BOARD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM BOEING OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES, OUR RETIRED EMPLOYEES, IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND HOW A BROAD CHANGE CAN MECHANIC INDIVIDUAL LIVES SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATED THAT. I DID WANT TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY MYSELF AS A BOARD MEMBER, AS WELL AS I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC. AND IT GOES TO THE POINT THAT MS. PALCHIK RAISED, THAT ORIGINALLY, THE BOARD WAS DIRECTED THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO MAKE A DECISION NOW, HERE IN EARLY FEBRUARY. AND NOW, WE'VE COME TO LEARN JUST RECENTLY THAT WE CAN PUSH THIS OUT UNTIL APRIL. SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS TODAY. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME

052BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY WE NOW HAVE ALMOST TWO MORE MONTHS. I MEAN, WHAT CHANGED THAT'S ENABLING US TO PUSH THIS OUT FOR ANOTHER TWO MONTHS, GIVEN THAT I LOOK AT TONIGHT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FOR US TRYING TO PREPARE AN ADVERTISED BUDGET TO SEND OVER TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO HAVING TWO SUBSTANTIAL DECISIONS BEFORE THE BOARD IS ALWAYS SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. SO I WOULD LIKE DR. LOCKHART, IF SOMEONE OR ON YOUR STAFF COULD JUST EXPLAIN TO ME HOW DO WE SUDDENLY REALIZE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME BREATHING ROOM HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN MS. CORBETT SANDERS, YOU TALKED ABOUT PROCESS. TO ME, THIS IS A PROCESS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. I COULD TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. SINCE WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD BACK IN DECEMBER, WE

053DID INITIATE THE WORK TO MAKE THE SYSTEM CHANGES, AND IN ORDER TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, EVEN THOUGH THE VOTE WON'T TAKE PLACE IN APRIL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF THAT WORK, SO THAT IN APRIL, IF THE BOARD DOES VOTE TO MAKE THE CHANGES, WE'LL BE READY FOR JULY 2018, BUT IF THE BOARD DECIDES NOT TO MAKE CHANGES, WE'LL HAVE TO STOP OUR WORK AT THAT TIME. WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK, OR ELSE WE WON'T BE READY FOR JULY 2018 IMPLEMENTATION. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION, AND I DO RECOGNIZE THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SORT OF -- THE TRAIN GOING DOWN THE TRACK RIGHT NOW BUT AT SOME POINT, WE CAN DIVERT THE TRAIN OR STOP THE TRAIN AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE

054NECESSARY STEPS IN PLACE IF NEEDED. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THEN AS A BOARD, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO BETTER BY GETTING THAT CLARITY SOONER AND I THINK IF WE ALSO HAD A SENSE THAT WE WERE REACHING THIS POINT OF STARTING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FEBRUARY DEADLINE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF TO HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT SOONER THAN TONIGHT. SO I DO PLAN TO SUPPORT THE DELAY. I HAVE SHARED WITH MY COLLEAGUES DURING OUR NUMEROUS WORK SESSIONS ON THIS ISSUE, THAT I THINK IT'S MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW THIS ISSUE IN THE BROADER CONTEXT OF WHAT THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES HAVE. I JUST FEEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE EQUITY AND FAIRNESS AND SO AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, SHOULD THE BOARD DELAY TONIGHT, THEN I WOULD ASK

055OUR RETIRED EMPLOYEES, OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES, TO NOT ONLY STAY ENGAGED IN THIS PUT LET'S LOOK AT THAT MESSAGE OF HOW WE CAN HAVE EQUITY AND FAIRNESS IN OUR BENEFITS PACKAGE BETWEEN WHAT THE COUNTY OFFERS ITS EMPLOYEES AND WHAT WE OFFER HERE, AND FINALLY, I ALSO WANT TO SAY TO MS. CORBETT SANDERS, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAD ANOTHER AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE THAT I WAS FEELING WAS IMPORTANT, WHICH WAS TO REMOVE THE NON-VESTED EMPLOYEES FROM BEING AFFECTED, SO IT WOULD ONLY BE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED. AND SO TO THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE THOSE NON-VESTED MEMBERS, I THINK THERE IS MANY OF US THAT RECOGNIZE HOW THIS CHANGE, FOR MANY OF WHO YOU HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED UP TO FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE'RE FINDING THIS TO BE

056A VERY DIFFICULT PROSPECTIVE CHANGE. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP YOUR VOICES STRONG ON THIS UNTIL THE BOARD MAKES A FINAL DECISION. MRS. HOUGH. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION. IF WE WERE TO POSTPONE UNTIL APRIL, PRESUMABLY, WE'D COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION; IS THAT THE PLAN? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. YES? A POINT OF ORDER. THIS IS A SUBSIDIARY MOTION. IT'S GOT TO EITHER BE POSTPONED INDEFINITELY OR POSTPONED DEFINITE, AND APRIL IS NOT DEFINITE. SO AS I HEAR MS. HOUGH BEGINNING HER QUESTION, THAT RAISES THE POINT OF ORDER THAT THIS IS NOT EITHER TO AN INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT, NOR IS IT TO A TIME DEFINITE. SO COULD MADAM CLERK OR FOSTER, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE LANGUAGE OF THIS AMENDMENT TO SEE IF IT'S -- TO SEE

057-- IT SAYS APRIL. DISCUSSION IN APRIL. RIGHT. RULES, AS MS. SCHULTZ INDICATES, SPEAKS TO POSTPONING DEFINITELY OR POSTPONING INDEFINITELY. OKAY. INDEFINITELY MEANS -- INDEFINITELY MEANS JUST IF THERE'S NO DATE IDENTIFIED. BUT DEFINITELY -- AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE RATHER THAN HAVING JUST APRIL THAT YOU SPECIFY A DATE. AND THAT WOULD BE FULLY CONSISTENT WITH ROBERTS RULES. I THINK THAT IT DOES RAISE QUESTIONS AS MS. SCHULTZ HAS IDENTIFIED. IF IT JUST SAYS APRIL, IS THAT SUFFICIENTLY DEFINITE? SO MS. PALCHIK, WOULD YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO GIVE US A DATE CERTAIN TO MAKE IT COMPLY WITH WHAT OUR COUNSEL IS -- YES, IF I CAN SPEAK TO -- ORIGINALLY, THE DATE CHOSEN WAS APRIL 6TH, THAT WOULD ALLOW AMPLE TIME FOR THE MARCH 1 DEADLINE. THE CONCERN WAS HAVING A WORKSESSION IN THERE. AND

058SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO GET US ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN TIME FOR THE MARCH WORK SESSION TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION APRIL 6. SO A POSSIBILITY WOULD BE, A, TO HAVE IT ON APRIL 6TH. BUT THEN TO HAVE THE WORK SESSION ON APRIL -- AS NEW BUSINESS ON APRIL 20TH WORK SESSION, DISCUSSION AND THE APRIL 27TH MEETING FOR A VOTE. IF WE DO NOT NEED TO GO BACK TO NEW BUSINESS. BUT YOUR MOTION DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THAT, SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A DATE CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON ON THIS -- AND MADAM CHAIR, I MEAN, IT COULD BE -- WITHOUT A DATE, IT COULD SAY THE SECOND REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING IN APRIL. THAT IS DEFINITE AND CONFORMS TO PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND WOULD

059ALLOW US TO TAKE A VOTE ON A MOTION IT'S STILL THE SAME CONCERN SO I'M HAPPY TO SAY APRIL 6 AND IF WE REALIZE THAT WE NEED TO POSTPONE IT TO APRIL 27 BECAUSE WE NEED THAT WORK SESSION, I CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE CAN PICK APRIL 6. THAT'S FINE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A WORK SESSION BEFORE THE VOTE. WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, OUR MARCH WORK SESSION IS EXTREMELY FULL AS IS OUR ENTIRE MARCH. SO I WOULD SUGGEST A LATER DATE THEN IN APRIL. SO -- YEAH, SO LET'S SAY APRIL 27. SO BY APRIL 27TH, SO MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU PUT UP ON THE SCREEN. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS MS. PALCHIK'S MOTION, SO SHE HAS TO BE ALL RIGHT WITH THIS. I MOVE TO POSTPONE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE

060MOTION UNTIL THE APRIL 27TH REGULAR MEETING. BUT THAT SUGGESTS WE WON'T HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY TO BE SO PICKY. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE -- HOW ABOUT APRIL 6? EXCUSE ME. HANG ON A SECOND. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SAY A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MR. FOSTER AND SAY I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT MS. PALCHIK IS TRYING TO DO HERE. SO CAN YOU HELP US WITH THE LANGUAGE? IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AT A WORK SESSION, WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE DELAYING THE FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO DO WHAT MS. PALCHIK IS TRYING TO -- I WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I SUGGEST WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IS NOT DEBATABLE.

061YOU'RE MOVING THIS AS A MOTION? WE'RE GOING TO BE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES WHILE WE DISCUSS THIS WITH LEGAL COUNSEL. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION NOW. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. MS. PALCHIK IS GOING TO SUBSTITUTE A NEW MOTION FOR HER PREVIOUS MOTION YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I MOVE TO POSTPONE THE MOTION UNTIL THE APRIL 27TH REGULAR MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY MS. CORBETT SANDERS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO SAY? I DO NOT. THANK YOU. MS. CORBETT SANDERS? IT'S BEEN SAID. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORDER, SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO MRS. HOUGH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, MRS. HOUGH. SURE. OKAY. APRIL 27. DOES THIS MOTION LEAVE A DEFINITIVE PLACE FOR A WORK SESSION? I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE

062DOING THIS BECAUSE WE MAY VERY POSSIBLY HAVE TO GO INTO APRIL FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION. BECAUSE OUR MARCH IS VERY FULL. OKAY. SO WE ARE GUARANTEEING A WORK SESSION? I WILL SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION. IF WE POSTPONE IT AND IT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD WHICH I'M SENSING IT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD FOR A WORK SESSION PARTICULARLY, IF WE ARE ASKED -- IF YOU HAVE A MOTION AFTER THIS, IF THAT WERE -- IF YOUR MOTION IS APPROVED AFTER THIS, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO BRING THAT BACK AS WELL. OKAY. I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY IF THIS PASSES THAT A WORK SESSION HAPPENS. I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. I GUESS I WANT TO KNOW FROM MS. QUINN, IS THERE A DROP-DEAD DATE WHERE WE DO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION? IF THINGS

063GOT POSTPONED PAST APRIL 27, ARE WE RUNNING INTO -- WHEN ARE WE RUNNING INTO A WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING? I THINK IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE END OF APRIL TO TAKE ACTION, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK IN THE SYSTEM, SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY AT THAT TIME FRAME AND OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS BEFORE WE ADOPT THE 2018 BUDGET, WHICH IS THE SECOND BUSINESS MEETING IN MAY. IN MAY. OKAY. AND SO THEN THAT LEADS ME TO ASK WHAT INFORMATION ARE WE BRINGING FORWARD TO THIS WORK SESSION? AND I STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING INCOME STEPS FROM OUR SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION ON ERFC THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, BUT I GUESS I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF WHAT

064WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ANSWER OTHER UNANSWERED WORK SESSIONS ON THIS PLAN. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE THE DISCUSSION TOPICS FOR THAT WORK SESSION? MADAM CHAIR. WHO'S THAT QUESTION DIRECTED TO? I GUESS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. SO I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT HAD BEEN POSED AND MORE INFORMATION WE WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE. ONE BEING THE FOLLOW-ON MOTIONS THAT YOU AND MS. HYNES WILL PRESENT. ME BEING ANY MORE IN BENEFITS THAT WE CAN GET. WE HAVE HEARD FROM OUR FORMER AND CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSION WITH THEM THAT IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT-TERM COSTS TO THEM AND LONG-TERM COSTS TO THEM AND TO OUR SYSTEM. SO I -- I'VE MADE THIS MOTION. I THINK

065IT IS OPEN AND I HOPE TO WORK WITH THE CHAIR IF THIS WERE TO PASS INTO OUR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS TO WHAT INFORMATION WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. I DON'T KNOW IF MS. CORBETT SANDERS HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT WELL, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING, SO MS. HOUGH, IF YOU HAVE -- WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO DIRECT STAFF AS TO EXACTLY WHAT WE EXPECT WHICH IN MY MIND WOULD INCLUDE OUTSTANDING NEXT STEPS WHICH I HAVE -- I'VE SEEN POSTED SINCE SYSTEM, AND NOT ANSWERED, BUT THEN ALSO, IS THERE GOING TO BE A DIRECTION TO REACH OUT TO THE EMPLOYEES, AND ARE WE GIVING THEM OPTIONS TO TALK ABOUT AND WEIGH? I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF

066THINGS TO CONSIDER AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE'RE ASKING SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO COMMENT ON. SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MS. QUINN. IF WE WERE TO NOT DELAY TONIGHT, AND WE WERE TO VOTE ON EITHER THE AMENDMENT OR THE MAIN MOTION ITSELF, IS IT NOT ALSO POSSIBLE AS OF APRIL WE COULD PULL THOSE CHANGES IF WE GOT MORE INFORMATION IN MARCH OR THEREAFTER THAT LED US TO NOT WANTING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, MS. HOUGH. YOU'RE ASKING ON THE ERFC MOTION BEING POSTPONED UNTIL APRIL, RIGHT? NO, I'M ASKING, IF WE WERE TO NOT DELAY AND WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE MAIN MOTION, AND THEN IN APRIL, WE DECIDED BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN OR ANYTHING

067ELSE WE HAVE RECEIVED SINCE THEN, IF WE WANT TO PULL THAT CHANGE THAT WE WERE TO MAKE TONIGHT IF WE WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE TONIGHT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SCENARIO. THE SCENARIO IS THINGS WERE APPROVED TONIGHT, RIGHT? LET'S JUST SAY MAIN MOTION. MAIN MOTION IS APPROVED, AND THEN LATER THIS SPRING AND APRIL, THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION ESSENTIALLY NOT TO IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES? CORRECT. THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU ALL DO THAT? YES. I THINK THAT ROBERTS RULE, CERTAINLY, THERE'S A PROCESS OR MOTION TO RECONSIDER WHAT WAS APPROVED, AND -- YOU KNOW, A RELATED POINT IS THAT UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, SCHOOL BOARDS AND BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS, YOU ALL DON'T DO LINE ITEM APPROPRIATIONS OR LUMP-SUM APPROPRIATIONS. BOTTOM-LINE NUMBER THAT'S APPROVED AS PART OF THE ADVERTISED BUDGET.

068IT'S UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION BOARD TO DETERMINE ONCE YOU GET THAT BUDGET APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO THAT'S ALSO RELEVANT TO YOUR QUESTION. SO TO SUM IT UP, I THINK THAT YOU COULD, AFTER YOU'VE PROVEN TO NOT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK, IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED, AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION PREVIOUSLY TAKEN CAN -- AND RESCIND IT. IT WOULDN'T BE THE EASIEST PROCESS BUT THERE IS A PROCESS UNDER ROBERTS RULES IN WHICH YOU CAN DO THAT. I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S COMPLICATED THAT WAY AND NOT COMPLICATED THIS WAY. WE HAVE PUT IN -- THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS PUT IT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AND BASICALLY, BY THIS DELAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTING IT BE TAKEN OUT OF, I ASSUME, TO

069BE TAKEN OUT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, IF WE HAVE NOT GIVEN IT THE DIRECTION FOR IT TO BE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET; IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE. SO IT'S AN ANSWER I'D LIKE BEFORE I DECIDE. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU, STEVE. LET ME SEE IF I COULD FIND THIS. OUR THINKING WAS THAT BECAUSE YOUR ADVERTISED BUDGET -- WE CAN'T ULTIMATELY ADOPT A BUDGET THAT'S GREATER THAN YOUR ADVERTISED BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU'RE ADVERTISING A CERTAIN BUDGET, RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH THE REDUCTION CURRENTLY IS INCLUDED IN THE SUPERINTENDENT'S BUDGET, AND IF YOU ADOPT THE ADVERTISED WITH THOSE REDUCTIONS IN IT, AND THEN LATER ON WHEN YOU POSTPONE THIS ACTION, LET'S SAY YOU TAKE ACTION IN APRIL AND DECIDE NOT TO DO ANY CHANGES, YOU ARE COMMITTING YOURSELF TO MAKE REDUCTIONS OF $4.7

070MILLION TO BALANCE THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU ADOPT IT FOR THE APPROVED IN MAY. RIGHT, BUT I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO ALL THE TIME. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT COMPLICATED. THAT'S JUST A BURDEN TO DO ON THE MAKER OF A MOTION, TO FIND THE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE TAKE OUT OR PUT IN. CORRECT, THE MAKER AND THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. SO IF YOU'RE PASSING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE, YOU ARE NOW COMMITTING THE BOARD TO REDUCE THAT BUDGET BY $4.7 MILLION IF THE ACTION IN APRIL IS NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CHANGES. AND WE'LL BE CHANGING THE ASK ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET IF WE DELAY THE MOTION TONIGHT. AND I THINK OUR THINKING IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDUCE IT TONIGHT. WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO REDUCE IT, BUT WE'RE

071GOING TO BE INCREASING OUR ASK. NO, YOU'RE COMMITTING YOURSELF TO MAKING THAT REDUCTION IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR IT IN APRIL. I'M SORRY. SO THE BUDGET WILL STAND AS IS WITH DR. LOCKHART'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CHANGE? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL FOR ME TO THINK ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. MRS. SCHULTZ, HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN, OR YOU WERE ON THE LIST. DO YOU STILL WANT TO BE ON THE LIST? MY ON THE LIST WASN'T THE ANOTHER. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I WAS TRIGGERED BY MS. HOUGH TO ASK A PARLIAMENTARY, AND I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT STRAIGHT, SO THAT WE HAVE AN IN-ORDER MOTION. LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH QUINN ON THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT WHERE I STAND. TYPICALLY, IN PLAIN SPEAK, WE HAVE AMENDMENTS POSTED DAYS IN ADVANCE, AND WE

072TALK TO EACH OTHER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD AND WHERE WE ARE ON VOTES AND THINGS, AND THIS JUST CAME UP. SO IF WE SEEM A LITTLE DISHEVELLED WITH PEOPLE, THERE'S A REASON WHY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR THE MOTIONS ALREADY DEVELOPED. SO THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION, BECAUSE IF THERE IS A MOTION TO DELAY AND WE DON'T ACT AS ADVERTISED IN OUR MOTIONS THIS EVENING, EFFECTIVELY, WE ARE TAKING NO ACTION ON THE ERFC AND THERE'S 4.7 MILLION THAT IS IN THE BUDGET FOR WHICH THERE IS NO ACCOUNTED ACTION OF THE BOARD. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? AT THE TIME THAT YOU APPROVE THE ADVERTISED, IT INCLUDES THOSE ACTIONS, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY TAKEN THE ACTIONS. BECAUSE THE

073WHOLE REASON THE ERFC IS ON THE AGENDA WHERE IT IS THIS EVENING WAS BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ACTION ON ERFC PRIOR TO THE BUDGET. THERE'S A REASON THAT THE AGENDA IS ORDERED THE WAY IT IS. IF WE EFFECTIVELY SKIP THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA, WE'RE MOVING INTO A BUDGET THAT IS SET FORTH IN SUCH A FASHION THAT THE ACTION THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE EARLIER IN THE AGENDA ON ERFC TO PUT IN ORDER, THE BUDGET, IS NOW NOT BEING TAKEN. SO THE CLEANER WAY TO DO IT WHEN YOU ADOPT THE ADVERTISED BUDGET, IS YOU COULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS INCREASE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH ERFC CHANGES, AND MAKE THE REDUCTIONS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET AND SEE, THIS IS THE DIFFICULTY OF A MOTION LIKE THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE. THAT'S REALLY

074WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED PRIOR TO US COMING TO THE TABLE. IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THE REST OF THE ORDER OF THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD IS ACTUALLY IN ORDER BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S A SUCCESSIVE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA NOW DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE. SO I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE IN ORDER FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING, IF THE BUDGET DOESN'T FOLLOW WHAT WE MAY DO, WHICH IS TO DEFER. I'LL SPEAK JUST BRIEFLY TO THE DEFERRING. I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONTEMPLATION ON THAT SIDE OF THE -- THAT'S NOT THE DAES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THE GALLEY. OVER WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, MR. FOSTER AND QUINN, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER ON THAT. I

075DO SUPPORT A DELAY, I THINK. I THINK I COULD SUPPORT A DELAY. THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIVE ITEMS THAT I THINK ARE OUTSTANDING, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN -- AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW HE'S FROM WOODSON AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO COME BACK ON -- WHO SPOKE WHO UNDERSTOOD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT ALIGNING ERFC ON A RULE OF 90, AND I ORIGINALLY HAD THAT AS A AMENDMENT TO THE ERFC MOTION, AND THEN DECIDED TO DELAY IT TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. ANYTHING THAT GIVES THIS BOARD EFFECTIVE INFORMATION TO HELP US IN EXECUTIVE DECISION MAKING, COMPLEX EXECUTIVE DECISION MAKING LIKE THIS I THINK IS BENEFICIAL, SO I IMAGINE THAT THAT MOTION WILL PASS LATER. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT SORT OF WHAT

076I FEEL IS SORT OF A HINKY AGENDA AT THE LAST SECOND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING VERY CLEAN IN OUR WORK, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE REST OF THE AGENDA GOES, SO THAT'S MY STRUGGLE IS THAT ON THE ONE HAND, I AGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD SPEND SOME MORE TIME TALKING TO EMPLOYEES. I THINK WE SHOULD SOLICIT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE ERFC BOARD OF TRUSTEES, AND SHOULD DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE US MORE INFORMATION ON PATHS OF MANAGEMENT TO REDUCE THE COSTS THAT COME WITH THE ERFC. I FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE THERE IS A MESSAGE SOMEHOW THAT THE MOTIONS BEFORE THE BOARD WOULD AFFECT EXISTING RETIREES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM BUT MAYBE THAT'S OUR FAULT THAT WE HAVEN'T EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATED. NOTHING WE'RE CONTEMPLATING WOULD AFFECT ANY EXISTING RETIREES. IN

077FACT, THE BUDGET MOTION I HAVE WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT YOU BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BETTER FUNDED. I GUESS I'LL SUPPORT A DELAY BUT I THINK THERE'S A BIG ASTERISK NEXT TO THAT BASED ON WHATEVER ANSWER COMES FROM OUR FRIENDS IN THE GALLEY. MS. STRAUSS. GALLERY WOULD BE BETTER. THANK YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT THE DELAY. HOWEVER, I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR PENSION SYSTEM. WE NEED TO BALANCE MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF UP-FRONT PAID INTENTIONS AND BENEFITS AND ALL THE REST OF THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE ASKED FOR THE STUDY IN THE FIRST PLACE. DEPENDING ON WHAT DECISION WE MAKE IN APRIL, WHEN IT COMES BACK IN APRIL BY THAT TIME, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUES WILL BE. THOSE AT THIS DECISION WILL HAVE TO BE MADE IN THE CONTEXT

078OF REVENUE FROM BOTH THE STATE AND THE COUNTIES, AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THE VARIOUS OTHER AMENDMENTS TONIGHT, I AM NOT AGREEABLE TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAN THE BOTTOM LINE THAT IS ASKED NOW, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ALREADY -- WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO IN APRIL. SO AT ANY RATE, I WILL VOTE FOR THE DELAY. I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS, AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE INFORMED IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. MS. HYNES THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK MS. PALCHIK. THIS WAS HARD TO DO ON THE LAST DAY. THANK YOU FOR TRYING THOUGH BECAUSE I THINK AS EVERYONE CAN SEE WE ARE STILL TRYING

079TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS. I'LL SUPPORT THE DELAY. I THINK THE VALUE OF POSTPONING FOR ME THROUGH WHAT MS. STRAUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT, I SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED MS. CORBETT SANDERS' PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR TONIGHT THAT I GUESS WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO VOTE ON IF WE PASS THE DELAY. BUT MY CONCERN WAS I WOULD LOVE TO HOLD HARMLESS OUR NON-VESTED EMPLOYEES, BUT WE DO NOT YET KNOW HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ROUGHLY $4 MILLION, AND WHEN WE GET TO APRIL, I WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW AM I BALANCING THAT IMPORTANT VALUE AGAINST THE OTHER IMPORTANT VALUES THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS, WHAT ARE WE TRADING FOR WHAT? SO THAT'S THE VALUE OF WAITING UNTIL APRIL TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, MS. DERENAK KAUFAX

080THANK YOU, MS. EVANS. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. I APPRECIATE MR. MOON'S CHRONOLOGY AS TO THE MANY HOURS OF WORK THAT HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT AS OF RECENTLY, IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THE E-MAILS AND CONVERSATIONS, THAT EVEN WITH THESE MANY, MANY WORK SESSIONS WE'VE HAD IN PUBLIC WORK MEETINGS, THERE WAS STILL CONCERN AMONGST OUR EMPLOYEES ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING SO THIS BUYS US SOME TIME. I THINK AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STAGE, AS WE PROPOSE THE BUDGET, I THINK THE CHOICES ON THE TABLE FOR OUR BOARD ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ARE ALREADY STATED. WE EITHER GO IN THERE AND REALIZE THAT IN APRIL, SOMEHOW, IF WE'RE -- WE CAN EITHER PROCESS IT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO

081THAT OR WE CAN ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL ASK FOR THE BUDGET. THAT'S ALSO AN AMENDMENT THAT COULD COME UP TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY. WE COULD ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL IF THE AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH. SO THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION ON THE TABLE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT -- WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET. FOR THIS PORTION OF THIS, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT SINCE WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT, AND -- BUT AGAIN, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. MR. MOON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTING MOTION TO POSTPONE. INITIALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT APRIL 6. APRIL 27TH IS PROBABLY A BETTER DATE WITH HAVING A WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF APRIL 27. AND I AM -- I WILL NOW REFRESH THE

082RECOLLECTION OF MY COLLEAGUES GOING BACK TO JANUARY WORK SESSION WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS MAIN MOTION. AT THE TIME, YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT WE ALSO DISCUSSED SOME OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES WHAT'S ON THE MAIN MOTION AND EVENTUALLY, THE CONSENSUS WAS WHAT I READ AS THE MAIN MOTION WOULD BE A MAIN MOTION AND AT THAT TIME, PRECISELY BECAUSE ANY MOTION IS SUBJECT TO AMENDMENTS, AND THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE MAIN MOTION WILL PASS, GOT TO WAIT ON THE VOTES, AND EVEN THOUGH WE DIRECTED -- WE GAVE OUR GUIDANCE, OUR DIRECTIVE BACK IN DECEMBER, DECEMBER TO INCLUDE THE $4.7 MILLION OF A BUDGET REDUCTIONS FROM ERFC, ERFC PLAN, IF THE ACTION BY THIS BOARD DEVIATES FROM THAT THROUGH AMENDMENTS, OR BY NOT PASSING THE MAIN MOTION, WE WOULD HAVE ARE TO RECONCILE THE DIFFERENCES AND THE DISCREPANCY

083WHEN WE ADOPT THE FINAL BUDGET IN MAY. THAT WAS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I KNOW IT WAS A VERY LONG MEETING AND A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT THERE ON THAT DAY DUE TO DIFFERENT REASONS, I WANT TO JUST REFRESH THE MEMORY OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, HOW WE ARE PREPARING OURSELVES FOR POSSIBLE DEVIATION FROM THE MAIN MOTION AND HOW TO RECONCILE THAT DEVIATION. AND I STRONGLY URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO STICK TO THAT AGREEMENT, THAT BY PASSING THIS MOTION TO POSTPONE, THE MAIN MOTION UNTIL APRIL 27TH, LET'S JUST KEEP THE 4.7 CONTAINED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS IS AND AFTER WE MAKE OUR FINAL DECISION ON APRIL 27, IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY, RECONCILE THE DIFFERENCES IN MAY. THAT IS MY STRONG SUGGESTION TO MY COLLEAGUES AS

084DISCUSSED AT THE JANUARY WORK SESSION. MRS. HOUGH. OKAY. SO I POTENTIALLY SUPPORT THIS DELAY, BUT I WANT TO ASK STAFF TO HAVE CERTAIN INFORMATION READY, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A WORK SESSION. A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE WORK SESSION, IT'S GOING TO BE POSTED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH INFORMATION TO DISCUSS AND HOW DO WE GET TO A REAL DECISION BY APRIL 27 THAT'S MORE INFORMED THAN RIGHT NOW? I THINK IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ASK FOR ANY OUTSTANDING ERFC WORK SESSION ITEMS, COMPARE ERFC TO ERFC FOR BOTH BENEFITS, RETURNS AND CONTRIBUTIONS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO BRING BACK THE COMPENSATION CHART TO SHOW WHERE OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE $40 MILLION WE PUT IN TO MID-YEAR TEACHERS LAST YEAR AS WELL AS THE 33

085MILLION THAT'S PROPOSED THIS YEAR FOR THE TEACHER SALARY SCALE. AND WITH THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED IN TIME TO DISCUSS AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE, THAT WE HAVE TIME TO REACH OUT TO THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE TEACHERS AND GET INPUT. WITH THAT, IF WE ARE -- CAN BE IN AGREEMENT TO THOSE NEXT STEPS, I COULD SUPPORT THIS MOTION. ARE THERE ANY OUTSTANDING ERFC BUDGET QUESTIONS? MS. MICHAEL, I'M SORRY I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE OUTSTANDING ERFC BUDGET QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT WE HAD ADDRESSED THE ITEMS FROM THE SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION IN OUR SUBSEQUENT ERFC PRESENTATIONS. IF THE BOARD FEELS IT WASN'T ADDRESSED, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET CLARIFICATION. WE CAN ENSURE WE HAVE THEM TO THE BOARD IN TIME FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR REVIEW AND COMMUNITY DISCUSSION

086BEFORE THE APRIL WORK SESSION. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US WHO COULD BE HELPFUL IN POINTING OUT THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM THAT WORK SESSION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE. I CAN SUPPORT THIS, BUT I THINK WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING. IT'S AS IF WE'VE MOVED FROM -- WE'VE DIVORCED FROM REALITY THE FACT THAT ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THE CONSEQUENCES THAT YOU HAVE TO FIX THE BUDGET MOTION THAT COMES AFTER. YOU CAN'T HAVE ARE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN'T SAY WE CHOOSE NOT TO ACT ON ERFC OR WE CHOOSE TO DELAY IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE WORK TO FIX THE BUDGET DECISION THAT COMES AFTER. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. I WILL BE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO PASSING THIS UNLESS WE ENACT SOMETHING THAT PUTS IN ORDER

087THE BUDGET MOTION THAT'S A RESULT OF -- WE CAN MAKE THIS CHOICE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BUT YOU HAVE TO ALIGN THE REST OF THE BOARD'S WORK FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT AND MAKE THE BUDGET MOTION REFLECT THE DECISION WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM OF MAKING LAST-MINUTE DECISIONS. AND USUALLY THERE'S A LECTURE IN TERMS OF DOING HOMEWORK AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A COMPLEX DECISION THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE AT THE LAST SECOND BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION DOESN'T ABSOLVE US OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE BUDGET MOTION THAT COMES AFTER. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS, BUT ONLY IF WE FIX THE BUDGET MOTION. MR. WILSON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MS. MICHAEL, I THINK THAT I HAD A QUESTION ASKING ABOUT THE

088COST TRENDS FOR ERFC THAT I DON'T THINK I'VE RECEIVED AN ANSWER ON IN PROJECTIONS FOR THOSE OF THE FUTURE. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT IS OBVIOUS TO ALL OF US, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO ERFC TO OUR TEACHER COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE AS A BOARD, I BELIEVE, NEED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW WELL THIS FUND -- THE FUNDS ARE BEING HANDLED, HOW EFFICIENTLY THEY'RE BEING MANAGED AND WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF ERFC IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR FUTURE BUDGETS. SO YOU NEED DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THE BALANCE BETWEEN CHANGING THE PROMISED BENEFIT WITH CURRENT EXPENSES THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MAKE THE BUDGET WORK. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD GET THAT ANSWER IT'S POSTED AS RESPONSE TO BUDGET QUESTION NUMBER 16 FOR THIS

089CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. SO DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FUTURE OUT YEARS, THE PROJECTIONS? YES, IT DID INCLUDE THE PROJECTIONS IN THAT RESPONSE? OKAY. SO WHAT ARE THE PROJECTIONS? GIVE ME ONE MINUTE, AND I'LL PULL UP THE QUESTION. THAT RESPONSE STATES IF THE FUNDS PERFORM AS PROJECTED, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE COST IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET WILL REMAIN STABLE. HOWEVER, IF ACTIARYIAL EXPERIENCE DECEIVEIATES, THEN IT COULD DECREASE. SO THERE'S NO FUTURE DATE. YOU CAN'T PREDICT, IS THAT WHAT THE ANSWER IS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS TREND LINE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION I HAD IN THE WORK SESSIONS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MY STARTING POINT IS DO WE NEED TO CHANGE A BENEFIT THAT'S BELOVED. THE ONLY REASON I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO DO IT IS IF IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE

090AND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT SO THIS INFORMATION I BELIEVE IS CRITICAL FOR THAT ANALYSIS. I WOULD SAY THAT IT CAN BE PROJECTED. THE ACTUARIES DO A PROJECTION EACH YEAR AND EACH YEAR BASED ON THE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, RIGHT, OUR PROJECTION FROM THE ACTUARIES IS COMPARED WITH THAT ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AND THEN UPDATED. OKAY, I THINK IF THIS IS THE ANSWER, THIS IS THE ANSWER BUT IT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL IF THE ANSWER IS THEY COULD INCREASE DEPENDING ON EXPENSES. THEY REALLY NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON THOSE EXPENSES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT THE REASON WE STARTED HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS WAS THAT COSTS WERE RISING AT A RATE WE BELIEVED NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET. WE STARTED THIS FISCAL DISCUSSION IN

091THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THAT WAS BASED ON EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS UPDATED MORTALITY TABLES. SO WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WITH THAT IN MIND AND ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE COMPENSATION ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED WITHOUT RAISING THE ACTUAL COMPENSATIONS, SALARIES, AND BENEFITS. WELL, I GUESS SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT -- ARE YOU SAYING THAT, YES, IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES THEN IT IS UNAFFORDABLE? WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE COSTS HAD INCREASED FOR FY18 BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS INVESTMENT EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS THE UPDATED MORTALITY TABLESO TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE INCREASING COSTS KNOWING WE HAVE A FOCUS ON COMPENSATIONS, WE STARTED THESE STUDIES LOOKING AT POSSIBLE WAYS WE CAN MAKE CHANGES. IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCE, RIGHT, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPENDING MONEY IN TERMS OF EXPENDING IT IN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND SALARIES AND THE BOARD ULTIMATELY MAKES

092THOSE DECISIONS AND THE PURPOSE OF THESE STUDIES WAS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE BOARD SO THEY COULD MAKE THE BEST DECISION LOOKING AT THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN FY18. OKAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING. THIS DISCUSSION ALONE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER PLETHORA OF CHOICES THAT WE COULD DO TO REDUCE CHANGE IN COSTS AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS WE'LL MAKE TONIGHT. I THINK THESE ARE THE CHOICES, AND THEY ARE, IN FACT, DEMONSTRATED OF THIS ORDER, HOW WE HANDLE THE ERFC SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS MRS. CORBETT SANDERS. YES. MR. WILSON, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS

093HOW CAN WE DO THINGS BETTER, MORE EFFECTIVELY, MORE EFFICIENTLY, WHILE STILL PROTECTING THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE IS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT EVERY -- THAT THE WAY WE EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN ENSURES THE GREATEST SUCCESS, AND THAT MEANS WE MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN OUR PERSONNEL. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS OF MAKING THE INVESTMENT IN OUR PERSONNEL. WHAT WE DON'T DO IS WE ARE NOT FUND MANAGERS. AND SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT ARE, ARE THERE MORE EFFECTIVE EFFICIENT WAYS OF MANAGING THE FUND WHICH COULD REALIZE SOME SAVINGS WHICH COULD THEN BE APPLIED TO REINVESTING INTO THE FUND? AND THE OTHER ASPECT IS WHAT MS. McLAUGHLIN MENTIONED, WHICH IS, ARE WE TREATING ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES EQUITIABLY? ARE WE DOING IT WHETHER THEY ARE IN

094THE FCERF SYSTEM, WHICH HAS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION OR IF THEY ARE IN THE COMBINED ERFC DRF SYSTEM, AND SO THESE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE PAST YEAR TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE CONTINUE TO UNPACK IT MORE AND MORE, AND SO THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS. THERE ARE MORE -- THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT'S NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE THESE INFORMED DECISIONS. I KNOW THAT MS. HOUGH HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ACTIVE VERSUS PASSIVE. BOTH SHE AND MS. HYNES. SO HAVING THE TIME TO UNPACK IT AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. SO WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF SUPPORT IN HELPING US GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND CONTINUING THE DIALOGUE AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION. TO ADDRESS MRS. SCHULTZ'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUDGET, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS

095THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ADOPT OR PUT FORTH TO A VOTE THE DELAY MOTION, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AS A SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FUND IT? DO WE NEED TO DIRECT THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EITHER INCREASE THE ASK, OR DO WE NEED TO ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT TO -- TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE FIND FROM THE FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THE ERFC, APPLY ANY SAVINGS WE FIND IN THAT DISCUSSION TO IT, ANY OTHER SAVINGS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS OF ADDRESSING IT, THAT I WOULD NOT USE THE -- USE THAT AS A DELAY -- A REASON FOR NOT POSTPONING THIS DECISION. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER HANDS OR LIGHTS, I WILL MAKE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS. WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW WORK SESSIONS ON THIS. WE RECEIVED MANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS IN DECEMBER AND

096DIRECTED THE SUPERINTENDENT TO PUT THE SAVINGS INTO HIS BUDGET, THE $4.7 MILLION INTO HIS BUDGET. SO I ACTUALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE'VE HAD THIS ON OUR AGENDA FOR A WHILE. WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR I BELIEVE THE LAST SIX MONTHS. I'M NOT SURE WE ACTUALLY WANT TO REOPEN THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION. BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THAT AND WANTS A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND TO CONSIDER OTHER IDEAS. SO WITH THAT, THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THIS, SO I WON'T OBJECT, EVEN THOUGH I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. SO WITH THAT, I WILL READ THE MOTION. I MOVE TO POSTPONE THE MOTION -- I MOVE TO POSTPONE THE MOTION UNTIL THE APRIL 27TH REGULAR MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR

097HAND. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THE MOTION PASSES. [APPLAUSE] MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. ACTUALLY, I HAVE -- MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO MS. PALCHIK'S OWN AMENDMENT. NOW THAT IT BECOMES AN AMENDMENT, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT IT WAS -- MR. FOSTER, WAS THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE JUST VOTED ON? IT WAS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, YES. IN THAT CASE, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. WE'RE VOTING ON THE MOTION -- AS SUBSTITUTED, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST VOTING ON THE SAME THING A SECOND TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL CALL ON MRS. HOUGH FOR A MOTION. MRS. HOUGH HAD A MOTION THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER. YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, BECAUSE WE HAVE

098VOTED TO DELAY, I'M ASKING FOR THE CHAIR TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WE DID NOT CONSIDER THAT AS A PART OF THE PREVIOUS MOTION. WOULD YOU MIND IF I MADE MY ERFC MOTION FIRST? WE'RE NOT ON THE BUDGET YET, SO WE NEED TO GET SOME -- I'VE ASKED THE CLERK AND MR. FOSTER AND MRS. QUINN TO GIVE US SOME ADVICE ON WHAT -- IF YOU COULD READ YOUR E-MAIL, I'VE ASKED YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO WE WILL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET AND NOW I'M CALLING ON MRS. HOUGH FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN. SO I'LL READ MY MOTION NOW. THE FCPS SCHOOL BOARD DIRECTS THE ERFC BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF SOME MANAGEMENT ALTERNATIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MIX OF PASSIVE AND ACTIVE MANAGEMENT

099THAT MAY PRODUCE SAVINGS FOR THE FUND WITHOUT HARMING THE INTERESTS OF RETIREES. THE TRUSTEE WILL BRING THE ANALYSIS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ON OR BEFORE MARCH 31, 2017. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MS. HYNES. MRS. HOUGH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? YES. THANK YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN READING ABOUT THE FUND AND REVIEWING RETURNS AND RESULTS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT AND GOOD GOVERNANCE BY THIS BOARD TO BE PRESENTED SPECIFIC INFORMATION WHICH WILL COME IN THE FORM OF A SECOND MOTION. BUT AS SOME BACKGROUND LOOKING AT THE 1, 5, AND 10-YEAR RETURNS, ERFC IS ON THE 1 AND 5-YEAR RETURNS IN THE LOWEST QUARTILE OF RETURNS COMPARED TO OTHER PUBLIC PENSION FUNDS, AND IN THE 10-YEAR RETURN RANKED IN THE BOTTOM HALF. GIVEN THAT, I THINK IT

100IS PRUDENT FOR US TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES AT POSSIBLY LOWERING OUR FEES AND HELPING SAVE MONEY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR SYSTEM. MS. HYNES. YEAH, THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK MS. HOUGH FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND BEING WILLING TO WORK WITH ME ON THE LANGUAGE. I THINK AS WE TRY TO DO RIGHT BY OUR NEW MID-CAREER AND RETIRED TEACHERS, BALANCING SALARIES AND BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO DO THAT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON SALARIES AND STARTING THE WORK ON BENEFITS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPETITIVE AND BALANCING EVERYTHING IN TIGHT TIMES. I AM INCREASINGLY CONVINCED FROM SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FOR SAVINGS IN THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FUND, AND THESE WOULD BE SAVINGS THAT DON'T CHANGE THE

101REALITY OR THE EXPERIENCE FOR EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ROOM FOR SAVINGS THAT DOESN'T COME OUT OF PEOPLE'S POCKETS, THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR THEM. I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR EMPLOYEES TO EXPLORE THIS. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE DISCUSSION OF THIS MOTION? MR. McELVEEN? THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MEMBERS OF STAFF WHO SIT ON THE ERFC BOARD OF TRUSTEES. THIS IS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT REQUIRES WHAT LOOKS TO BE EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS. WHAT IS YOUR ABILITY TO COMPLETE THIS IN THE TIME FRAME SUGGESTED? WE DID RUN THROUGH THE DATES WITH THE ERFC STAFF BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE ERFC STAFF WORKING WITH THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANTS. I BELIEVE IF WE CAN DELIVER THE REPORT BY MARCH 31, WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AT

102THE APRIL WORK SESSION REGARDING TWO ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PUT FORTH FOR FOLLOW-ON MOTION. SO I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YES, WE THINK IT'S DOABLE AS LONG AS WE CAN DELIVER THE REPORT BY MARCH 31 AND HAVE A WORK SESSION IN THE APRIL 24, ALL-DAY WORK SESSION. THANK YOU MS. PALCHIK. BRIEFLY, I WANT TO THANK MS. HOUGH AND MS. HYNES FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I AM PART OF THE REASON WHY MS. CORBETT SANDERS AND I ARE THE REASON WE WOULD POSTPONE ANY CHANGES ANY EFFECTS TO THE RETIREES. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT AND PRUDENT FOR US TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAYS TO FIND THESE SAVINGS IN VERY TIGHT TIMES, SHORT TERM AND DEFINITELY LONG TERM BEFORE WE START TO MAKE THOSE CUTS ON THE BACKS OF OUR -- SO I WILL BE

103SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. I ALSO HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION FOR THE CLERK AND FOR MR. FOSTER. THE WAY THIS READS NOW IT'S A FOLLOW-ON MOTION, AND I BELIEVE THE INTENTION IS TO BE A SEPARATE MOTION, ISN'T THAT THE CASE? IT NEEDS TO GIVE -- I DON'T BELIEVE THIS CAN BE A FOLLOW-ON MOTION, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE WE'VE VOTED TO DELAY THE MOTION, THE PREVIOUS MOTION, SO THIS ISN'T A SIMPLE MOTION RIGHT. I THINK YOUR POINT IS CORRECT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT INTO THIS FOLLOW-ON MOTION FOR BEING RAISED AS THE MAIN MOTION, UNDER ROBERTS RULES, SOMEONE, A MEMBER OF THE BODY AT ANY TIME COULD SAY I HEREBY MOVE AS FOLLOWS, AND IT'S VOTED ON OR IT'S NOT. SO SHOULDN'T IT READ, I MOVE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DIRECT THE ERFC

104BOARD. YES. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE THAT. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MS. HOUGH? IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MAKING THAT CHANGE? IT MIGHT AS WELL -- I'M SEEING NO OBJECTION TO MAKING THAT CHANGE, AND WE'LL NEED TO DO THAT ON THE NEXT MOTION AS WELL. THESE ARE SIMPLY THEIR OWN MOTIONS AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOW-ON MOTIONS. MS. CORBETT SANDERS. THANK YOU. MS. HOUGH, MS. HYNES, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE BOARD. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT MOTION, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW, WHICH IS THAT THIS WAS INITIALLY RAISED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CITIZEN MEMBERS PARTICIPATING IN THE BUDGET TASK FORCE. WITHOUT HARM TO THE INTEREST OF EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES. IT IS EXPECTED THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL BRING THAT ANALYSIS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ON OR BEFORE

105MARCH 31, 2017. ALSO, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S UNANIMOUS AND THAT MOTION PASSES. I CALL ON MRS. HOUGH FOR A SECOND MOTION. I MOVE THE FCPS DIRECTS ERFC BOARD OF TRUSTEES BRING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD INVESTMENT CHOICES -- I'M SORRY ANALYSIS AND JUSTIFICATION -- REPORT RESULTS, COMPARE ACTIVE SELECTIONS AGAINST THE RELATED INDEX USED FOR COMPARISON AND INCLUDE NO LESS THAN YEAR-TO-DATE TRAILING 12 MONTHS PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS AND, 10 YEAR PERIOD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MRS. HOUGH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? YES, I APPRECIATE MS. CORBETT SANDERS BRINGING UP THE WORK OF TASK FORCE OF THE CITIZENS. I WAS REMISS IN THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW RICH OUR COUNTY IS IN RESOURCES THAT EXIST WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND THEN I

106ALSO WANT TO THANK MS. HYNES FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THIS ON DETAILING OUT WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WE FEEL WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US AND IN TALKING TO MS. QUINN AND MS. MICHAEL, I UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH OF THIS INFORMATION IS ALREADY WRITTEN OUT AND REPORTED TO US ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THIS IS MORE INCLUSIVE AND MS. QUINN HAS AGREED IT WOULD BE EASY TO PUT IN AND PRESENT TO US. I THINK GIVEN THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COME TO US SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION ON ERFC TO REVIEW, DISCUSS AND ASK QUESTIONS. MRS. HYNES? YES, THANK YOU. EVERYTHING MS. HOUGH JUST SAID. I WON'T REPEAT IT. I'M GRATEFUL TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR AND TELLING US WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE

107BETTER INFORMATION FOR THE OVERSIGHT ROLE THAT WE HAVE. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT. THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS THE REPORT AND A DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL FUTURE REPORTING. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M OKAY WITH TAKING OUT "AND DISCUSSION." IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A PLANNED DISCUSSION ON -- THE DELAY OF POSITION WE DISCUSSED AN THAT WORK SESSION WOULD CORRELATE AT THE SAME TIME. YES, THAT WAS OUR CURRENT THINKING WHEN WE WOULD BRING THE DISCUSSION TO THE BOARD. OKAY. AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME TO THEN HAVE A MOTION FOR APRIL 27? YES. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT TIMELINE. DID YOU JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION, MRS. HOUGH? THE LAST SENTENCE. -- SO YOU AMENDED YOUR MOTION AND MS. HYNES IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

108ALL RIGHT. MRS. STRAUSS. THANK YOU, I WILL SUPPORT THIS AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING DO GET A YEARLY INVESTMENT REPORT ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THE PORTFOLIO. SO THIS IS IN THIS MOTION IT DOES DESCRIBE IN DETAIL THE SCOPE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE WHICH IS APPROPRIATE. I WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE DO GET FAIRLY DETAILED INVESTMENT REPORT EACH YEAR. IT IS IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WITH THIS PENSION PLAN AND IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO SAVE MONEY IN TERMS OF EITHER BETTER PERFORMANCE OF THE INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO OR SAVING ON THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, OBVIOUSLY IT IS INCUMBENT ON US AND THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THAT IS IT THEIR JOB AS WELL AND PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. THEY ARE ACTIVE OVERSEERS

109OF THE PLAN SO I DO SUPPORT THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING A REPORT. THANK YOU. MRS. SCHULTZ. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO THANK MS. HOUGH FOR THIS MOTION. I DO SUPPORT IT. I DO BELIEVE THERE IS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES ON THE PART OF ERFC BOARD AND I THINK IN CONCERT WITH THE MEMBERS, THE PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE, MANY OF WHOM WERE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, THIS SHOWS THE BOARD IS SEEKING ACCOUNTABILITY IN THOSE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF SOMEBODY HAD BEEN WATCHING THE AGENDA OF THE BOARD, THERE WERE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MINE, I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE PUBLIC, THAT COME LATER THAT SOUND VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. AND JUST TO -- BECAUSE OF, AGAIN THE DELAYS I MOVE THOSE BUDGET FOLLOW-ON MOTIONS. WE'RE GOING

110TO SEE A LITTLE MORE ERFC DISCUSSION LATER. BULL THEY'RE ALL AKIN TO THE SAME PURPOSE AS THIS, WHICH IS SEEKING THE ACCOUNTABILITY IN LOOKING AT THE COST OF ERFC AND TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TORT MANAGE -- FOR THE MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THAT. I THINK THIS IS VERY REFLECTIVE MOTION AND AND I DEFINITELY WILL SUPPORT IT. MS. M_C_LAUGHLIN? I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPRESSED FOR THIS MOTION. I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT COME TO MIND FOR ME IS HOW COME THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY EXPECTING? I MEAN, I READ THIS LANGUAGE AND I WOULD THINK THIS SHOULD BE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. SO IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST INSTEAD OF THIS? BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE HONEST, IF I WERE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT

111THIS MOTION, I WOULD BE THINKING, SO WHAT IS THE BOARD DOING IN TERMS OF STUDYING THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT THE ERFC IS FUNCTIONING IN ITS OPTIMAL LEVEL? WE DO DO ANUAL REPORTING TO THE BOARD EVERY YEAR. WE DID THAT THIS JULY. SO WE GIVE THESE 3, 5, 7, 10-YEAR RETURNS ALONG WITH THE FUNDED RATIO OF THE PLAN, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION STATISTICS ON THE PLAN MEMBERSHIP, BOARD STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. I'VE DONE THAT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. I KNOW THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DID THAT PRIOR TO ME. WE REPORT ON ALL THE GOVERNOR'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. WE HAVE THESE REPORTS AVAILABLE ON BOARD DOCS INVESTMENT CONSULTANT PRODUCES. THOSE ARE POSTED SO WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ON ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. JUST TO MAYBE MAKE MY QUESTION

112A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, WHEN YOU READ THIS MOTION AND IT'S GOT A, B, C AND D IN ITS EXPECTATIONS, I GUESS THE WAY IT READS, IT'S SAYING AS IF WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME OF THESE FOUR REQUESTS, THIS IS SOME OR PARTS OF THIS DOES GET DONE, JUST MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM? WE CERTAINLY HAVE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR ALL THE ASSET ALLOCATION WE HAVE DONE TO THE ASSET CLASSES WE HAVE ADDED. THOSE ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MINUTES. WE DO REPORTING ANNUALLY ON OUR RETURNS. WE HAVE THE TRAILING 3, 5, 10-YEAR RETURNS. WE CAN PRODUCE THOSE AND SHOW THOSE TO YOU AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE THIS REPORTING IN APRIL, WE WILL DO THE CALENDAR YEAR 2016 AND REPORT THAT TO YOU. SO WE GIVE COMPARISONS AGAINST OUR

113BENCHMARKS AND AGAINST YOUR PEER GROUPS WHICH ARE THOSE PENSION PLANS GREATER THAN $1 BILLION. BASED ORN YOUR RESPONSE, I'M TRYING TO PIECE THIS TOGETHER WITH CLARITY. A, B, AND C ARE ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING YOU DON'T TYPICALLY DO. THIS WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO BACK HISTORICALLY AND SAY WHY ARE WE IN THIS ASSET CLASS, WE THINK INTEREST RATES HAVE NOWHERE TO GO BUT UP, WE BECAME MORE DEFENSIVE AND WANTED TO PROTECT THE ASSETS OF THE FUND -- I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING BY PART A. WHY DID WE GET INTO EACH OF THE ASSET CLASSES THAT WE'RE IN? AND REPORT RESULTS OF NET FEES. DO YOU NOT TYPICALLY DO THAT? WE DON'T DO THAT AGAINST OUR PEER GROUP, BECAUSE OUR PEER GROUP DOESN'T REPORT FEES. WE DO HAVE A NET UP FEE SECTION. THAT'S

114POSTED ON BOARD DOCS. IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD REPORTING BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT AS A PEER COMPARISON BECAUSE OUR PEERS DON'T REPORT THAT WAY. I GUESS, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK MS. HOUGH SINCE SHE'S THE MAKER OF THIS MOTION, A QUESTION. CERTAINLY. SO, MS. HOUGH, WHEN YOU DRAFTED THIS MOTION, DID YOU CONSULT WITH STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CURRENTLY GETS DONE AND THEREFORE WHAT YOU FELT MS. HYNES TO CO-SPONSOR THIS WITH YOU, WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS SIMPLY NOT BEING PROVIDED AS OF NOW SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE FRAMING OUT? WE DID DISCUSS THAT, THAT THIS IS SOME OF THIS IS ALREADY REPORTED. AS I STATED, WHEN I MADE THE MOTION, I REALIZE THAT MUCH OF THIS IS ALREADY REPORTED. I THINK IN

115CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AND THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND NOW IN ADDITION WHAT WE DIDN'T VOTE ON EARLIER TONIGHT, I THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD TO HAVE HANDY AND TO BE THERE. I REALIZE WE COULD LOOK IT UP IN BOARD DOCS AND MUCH OF THIS IS THERE BUT FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN CONTEXT, I THINK IS PRUDENT FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT ALL ALL AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE INFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. THAT RIGHT THERE IS EXACTLY WHY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS MOTION. IN THE SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM IS STILL TRYING TO CONTINUE USUALLY IMPROVE ON AND AS A BOARD MEMBER WE ARE DRASTICALLY NOT THERE, WHICH IS HAVING A SYNTHESIS OF INFORMATION

116IN ONE SPOT. WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD HAS TO DETERMINE WHEN IT'S IN DIFFERENT PLACES, THEN IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WHO IS FOLLOWING THE WORK WE DO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION IS INFORMING. SO THIS ALONE IF YOU'RE TELLING ME WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT ALTOGETHER AND HAVE IN PLACE SO WE CAN HAVE THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION WITH IT, SYNTHESIZED, THEN, AGAIN, YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT THEN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE CLARIFYING. WE TOOK OUT "AND DISCUSSION" FOR THE MOTION. BUT FOR BOTH MOTIONS I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT AS PART OF THE REPORTING EXPECTED NO LATER THAN, I WOULD LIKE IT POSTED FOR BOTH THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THIS PRIOR ON OR BEFORE MARCH 31. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER LIGHTS ON,

117I WILL READ THE MOTION BEFORE US. I MOVE THAT THE FCPS DIRECT THE ERFC BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO BRING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ANALYSIS AND JUSTIFICATION FOR INVESTMENT CHOICES. THE REPORT RESULTS NET OF C, C, COMPARE ANY ACTIVE MANAGEMENT SELECTION AGAINST RELATED INDEX USE FOR COMPARISON AND, D, INCLUDE NO LESS THAN YEAR-TO-DATE TRAILING 12 MONTHS, PREVIOUS 3 YEARS, PREVIOUS 5 YEARS AND PREVIOUS 10-YEAR PERIOD. THE REPORT ON POTENTIAL FUTURE REPORTING IS EXPECTED NO LATER THAN MARCH 31, 2017. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S UNANIMOUS AND THAT MOTION PASSES. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR SECTION ON THE ERFC FOR TONIGHT. I AM GOING TO CALL FOR A 5-MINUTE RECESS WHILE I CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ABOUT HOW WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE EFFECTS WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. DON'T GO VERY FAR, BOARD MEMBERS. WE'LL BE

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