Greeley-Evans School District 6 Board of Education Work Session 3-23-2026

001[music] >> Good afternoon and welcome to the work session for the Board of Education Greeley Evans School District 6 on Monday, March 23rd, 2026. This meeting will now come to order. Will you please call the roll for us, Ms. Richards? Director Azari Present. Director Bentley Present. Director Campos-Spitzer Present. Director Edmonds >> Present. Director Lemos-Garcia Present. Director Mash Present. Director Roggy Present. Seven members present. Thank you. Our first item of business is to review our calendar, which looks like it has every single thing through the end of the school year. Um lots of end-of-year celebrations, awards dinners, [clears throat] um I don't know if there's anything specific that we want to highlight, but again, please check your calendars, please get your RSVPs in there as soon as you can. And Ms. Lemon usually reaches out if

002there's something that she needs by a certain date. So, I got a email from Amy about a luncheon for the you know, Doran was invited um by one Terry Adams, who's on their She's the director of that. And so, um they asked Doran and not the rest of the board, so it's kind of a look like a regular board invite cuz it I'm until I know a little bit more about the organization, I'm not I'm not officially putting it on your calendars, but but I I will attend if I can, maybe Tom will attend. Um But I we need I want to make sure it's not a vendor ask, quite frankly. >> Yeah, I've met I've met with them before. >> they've come to my Rotary, too. They The acronym stands for We Help and

003Love Everyone. Yeah. And they they take care of It's a nonprofit organization that cares for disabilities. So, when they spoke with me before, they were really looking for clients, which really can't be our role, but um I'm I'm interested in going to the luncheon and learning about them, and I imagine if Tom's available, he'll go, too. So, um we'll we'll invite you all, but it's not there's no charge, and it's technically not a board event. And is it's okay when I attend that event that I wear the school board tag representative? Okay. I want to make sure. Thanks. Thank Okay. Thank you. We will move on to board member comments, and let's begin with Mr. Azari today. Um okay, thank you, President Mash. Well, I um even though it was spring break, I did attend

004three different events. Uh not necessarily um one of them was not representing the board, but I'd like to report on it anyway. Uh the first thing is I attended, along with a couple of other board members, the visit to the Greeley Alternative Program uh school on March 11th, and even though I've been in the district for decades, that was an insightful experience to me because it's kind of a mystery school. A lot of folks don't know a lot about it. And I and I learned that that school focuses on um giving students opportunities through small classes and individualized in-person instruction. Uh many of those students have difficult life stories to tell, and we heard from, I believe, three students that day. And even though they have those uh people in their lives, uh the staff

005at that school work closely with them uh to help them achieve graduation, and that's a really big deal uh not just because it helps our graduation numbers, but more importantly, because it helps them uh reach that sense of accomplishment um after going through some tough experiences. So, I really appreciate the work of that staff. Second thing I'd like to report on is that I was asked several years ago, before I was on the board, to be the annual MC of the Stars of Kiwanis uh Stars of Tomorrow show that's put on by Kiwanis Club, and um I just wanted to report out that uh that show features talents of students from all over Weld County, and many of our students uh from Greeley are featured on that show, and two of them uh uh received

006awards for their presentations. Nora Green from Chappello was runner-up in the middle school division, and Palmer Nemec was the winner in the high school division with a $2,000 scholarship. And it also gave me an opportunity through the script to highlight Palmer's service as the president of the Junior Board of the Success Foundation. So, it it really um gives us all uh some shining opportunities there in front of parents from all over the county. And then the third thing I'd like to report on is that I attended the beam signing ceremony this morning out at Aims, and uh for their new Workforce Innovation Center. Mr. Hansen was there as well, representing the district, as well as Robin Roggy. From what I understand, that was it. And this new center will certainly They they commented of how

007the new center will provide opportunities uh for for for students, and that includes our students here at the school district uh uh that will help develop our our students' needs through that concurrent enrollment uh to develop workforce readiness uh even more so. So, I really appreciate the work of Aims as well in our partnership, which is ongoing and very valuable. So, that's it. That's all I have tonight. Thank you very much. Director Lemos-Garcia Um I um attended the GAP visit um as well on March 11th. Um it was a great experience for me, and I was so grateful to hear three students speak about their story and celebrate with them because they're graduating here shortly. So, that was um just a great experience, and um they do great things for the school. Oh, yeah. It's

008a great event. That's what I did. Thank you. Director Roggy Um I just wanted to just kind of highlight our memory back to our last board meeting where our um Abigail, one of our student leaders, received uh her scholarship, and just that was such an exciting event, and so I I was just so happy for her, and just to see um the work in our community that that backs our students and helps them move forward. And so, that was just a real a real thrill. And then, I also attended the the GAP um visit, and just appreciated um what is done for our kids that wouldn't make it otherwise. Um these are kids that there's been intervention done. They would probably not be uh graduating or um going, you know, forward with a high school

009diploma. And that was to see that there is work being done to see that they graduate, and they were um all three of them, I think, were so thrilled they were going to be able to accomplish that. So, that was a a wonderful visit, and then um the beam signing uh this morning was a lot of fun to see that that is really going to be a beautiful building. Like all the work with the great the wood roof stuff is it's really a unique and and pretty building, but then also what that will do for um our our district in terms of the opportunities for um education in areas that we don't at this point um aren't able able to provide. So, um anyway, that was a really That was good to see people in

010our community um I that I have never seen before. I mean, just I've I've lived here so long, and I as I was mentioning to Director Azari, that there's this whole group of people here, and I've never seen any of them before. They just run in different circles, I guess. >> [clears throat] >> Well, thank you very much. Uh Director Edmonds. Uh just a couple things. I was able to It's a fun opportunity to speak at career day at my son's school. Um and they wanted me to actually talk both about my work at the food bank, which is always good to just teach the kids about the little things they can do to make big differences. But then they also asked me to talk about what it meant to serve on a school board.

011Of course, these are first, second, and third graders, so they they weren't paying too much attention, but I got to emphasize >> [clears throat] >> the you know, the the civil duty of being an elected official and how it really highlights community effort. And so it was just really cool to to see all those kids. And it's always fun to see my kids' classroom. And then um just would encourage folks, there's like mm seven, eight more days that they can enjoy our students' art. So I've been seeing it at different places downtown. I've been at a couple meetings at Ain't Helen's and um it's just really cool to see the artwork there. So I do encourage folks to keep getting out and seeing that artwork before it comes down and goes home um with the

012kiddos. Thank you. Director Campos-Spitze. So um I did not get to go to the GAP visit because it was during my work hours, but um I did get to email Meredith um who's the principal at GAP um and found out that speaking of career day, um they do a monthly career link at GAP. It's an assembly where they have community members come in and share their story and how they got to where they are now. Um and they do these every month and they're a half hour long. Um and the reason that came up was I was introducing her to one of our Weld County judges, his name's Vicente. Uh you know him. His kids are at Prairie Heights BHE. Um who did not you know, dropped out of high school and got his GED

013and then ended up going to CSU and then CU Boulder for his law degree and now he's a judge in Weld County. And so just a cool story of success even through you know, students who who might have needed more interventions. So um so that was a cool connection with her. And then I did get to go to 9 to 5, which was the Greeley West musical performance. Um it it was featuring Dolly Parton music and lyrics. And I am a huge Dolly Parton fan in the sense so I could not miss it. Um took my kiddos. It was 7:00 on a Saturday night. So um but it was the beginning of their spring break, so I let them Actually at intermission, it was already like 8:30. Their bedtime is like before 8:00, so I

014told them, "If you're tired, we can go home. It's intermission." And my daughter was like, "No way. I need to see how this ends." >> [laughter] >> Um but it's yeah, based um on women working in the 1970s uh who concocted a plan to overthrow their sexist, egotistical boss. So it's commentary on the glass ceiling on women and how um we got rid of that. So anyway, it was delightful. Thank you. Director Bentley. No report. I was on vacation while you guys were running amok, sounds like. So I'm glad to be back. Awesome. Um yeah, I enjoyed spring break. Got to see my kids a little bit, but they were off doing fun things. Um but I did attend the Community Council on Education, um which for those of you don't know is a monthly

015meeting at the Chamber of Commerce that invites businesses um and then we give an update um from all of from District 6 and Aims and UNC. Um but this time it was an update from Northridge um about all of the different youth programs that they have. And it is a very long list of all the different ways that they support parents and children of all ages from parenting classes to all kinds of different supports, children with special needs, children with mental health concerns. Um and they're of course one of our partners in the district. And we have counselors in all of our schools to some degree. Sometimes they're there every day, sometimes they share with another school, but just an amazing partner and resource here in Greeley. So that's always a fun opportunity to get

016to brag on District 6 and to hear what exciting things are happening with Aims and UNC as well. All right, we're moving on to our policy review. Um Last meeting, we decided that we needed to have some discussion around our dress code update updated policy. And so I'll turn it over to you, Dr. Pilch. Thank you, President Mash. Um so we're going to hear from our Chief of Safety and Security and our in-house legal counsel um around the process to get to this proposal uh for the the proposed changes in the dress code policy and then um really what what the policy means and and then give you all a chance to visit some more. Back to school. Back and we'll see if we're in a place where we want to continue to table it

017tonight and go back for some more revisions or if um we're ready to go forward tonight. So with that, I'll invite uh Chief Corliss and attorney uh Nate Ball to join us. Is it okay for Chief Lofton to join us over there? Sure. Yeah. You guys can come on. Do you guys mind turning that fan off? Um I don't figure it out. I just unplugged it. >> [laughter] >> My message is 76.8 [clears throat] degrees, but I don't know. >> [laughter] [clears throat] >> I can't feel that. I have control of this already, Zip. Okay. Um So definitely I know this is a is a big topic. I think the most unique thing about dress code, similar to the cell phone policy, is it impacts every student. Um it's not just students that might have

018be involved in other things, but it specifically um and it it affects every student that comes into our schools every single day. Um and so that's it's important it's a very important policy and uh we just want to make sure that we get it right. Um So the committee have a variety of people here from the admin building as well as a it's it is heavy on the the school administrators because they're the ones that are dealing with it on a on a routine basis. Um but at the same time, it was important to have Teresa's perspective from communications, Sean's from athletics, um my team, Jerry from restorative practices, and uh David Reyes from the family center as well to to get his input um from that side of side of things. Um we did

019I did also go out and meet with the council student representatives. Um I would like to go back out and contact them a little bit more and get get their feel as to where we where we began, where we're at now, and what are some of the things that they would like they would like to see within the policy. Um The main purpose was to improve clarity and consistency in district-wide dress code policy. Um I think the previous policy, and this is kind of what led us to be like, "Hey, I think we need to review our current policy." cuz there'd been several years that there hadn't been a full revision of it. And I think it was like, "Hey, we just add this little thing here or we just add this little thing there."

020And it wasn't a comprehensive look at the entire uh dress code policy. >> [snorts] >> Um Second is to update the the the dress code enforcement and appropriate consequences for dress code violations. Um and I often tell the administrators, "Don't turn a dress code situation into a suspension." You know, these are all opportunities to for restorative conversation and and talk with the student work through the with the student in that situation. And then along with those lines, um is to develop a dress code guidance document for all district staff to support consistent enforcement of the policy. I think some things that we've witnessed in the past is we would have one school that was being a little more relaxed in this area than another school. And and my goal would be to promote a little

021bit more consistency amongst the district that hey, this is District 6 and and this is the the expectations that we have um for for our district dress code. Mr. Corliss, I think it's really important that you're clear here that it this is really came to us because school administrators were concerned about the inconsistency across the district. We were not concerned about the inconsistency across the district. We're not living it day-to-day as the school building administrators and staff are. And I'm going to let Mr. Lofton speak to some of it from an administrator perspective real quick. Absolutely. Um and so this is coming from input from administrators. And I also want to connect it to the slide that um Chief Corliss has from our student council representatives as well of we want to be consistent as

022administrators. And one of the things that I am so thankful for from our school board and from our district administrators is the consistency that we were able to implement with our cell phone policy. So Wade brought that up already. We we have a clear policy from district administrators and from the school board. And then what was helpful was that our district leadership then had the principals get together and talk about implementation and how we can consistently implement it as administrators and making sure that one school isn't implementing different from other schools, one principal is not implementing it different in the same building um so that there's the inequities that can come up with that. And so Wade and I um and one of the things that I really appreciate is that he and I don't

023always agree on all of these pieces. And so I'm thankful that um we professionally get to disagree on some of these pieces with this ultimate goal of we want to be more consistent. And so if we have a policy that we can agree on, even though I might not agree with it fully, we can agree that we're going to implement it consistently. And and I think that is the hard part of where you're going to see some input from our students is that frustration of the inconsistent implementation. And so whether or not all of the different pieces like all of the principals agree on it 100% we can agree on implementing it with fidelity consistently like we did with the cell phone policy so that we're not doing an injustice to our students and implementing

024it inequitably which has a negative impact on the culture of the school and the time that the students spend on class. And so on the next slide it says I think it's the next one from the student council of representatives of the frustration about the inconsistent implementation. And so we often hear from students which I appreciate that they turn the term dress code from a noun into a verb and they say miss, you you dress coded me but you didn't dress code that person and that person has the same thing. And so we we want to be consistent and equitable and we want kids to be in class. We want kids to be learning and so the goal is for for that consistency to come through and we want to agree first on the policy

025so that we can then as practitioners implement it with fidelity. Um you know you can read them but these were a couple of the things that did was also brought in by the administrators just preparing students that that maintaining a school appropriate appearance matters. Preparing students for the workforce, employer dress code or dress expectations, portrait of a graduate and then student internship program that they're prepared to to dress for the for the jobs that they pick up in those internships. Um then create with you know we were trying to focus on I think our other one was a really long list of everything that you can't do. Um and we probably still need to expand on a little bit more but we did the first section is hey this is what you can wear. Um

026opposed to just a real long list of you can't do this, can't do that, you can't do this. Trying to describe what does it look like to be within the dress code expectation. And then obviously update the the enforcement section. Um Principals will have already spoke to this. This was feedback from the council student representatives the things that she was speaking about in regards to enforcement accountability and expectations. Um they did push not hard but there's a couple girls um that spoke in regards to being able to show the torso region of their body. Um and then there were some comments about hats. Um my comment on hats is hats is hard to regulate um because there can be some associations to gang ties and some of those other things that come along with hats.

027Um there's a there's several other things that can come along with hats as well. So that's just one that I can one quick example that I can give you. Um And then they did mention that their their belief on it because it is a smaller percentage of the student body that the dress code itself shouldn't the gang related clothing shouldn't be the the the main focus of the dress code policy. Nate, I'm going to turn it over to you. Is that good? Yes. Um I'm happy to talk about it now. Um So there are there's a you can see JICA has been shared with you. There is a significantly substantially revised copy of JICA. You should [clears throat] also in your board docs see a copy of the original JICA policy and how that's been

028changed. So I can just walk you through some of those revisions if that'd be helpful. Um So we created this required dress code standards as um Mr. Corliss has pointed out that kind of this idea of a positive dress code so this is what you need to be wearing at all times. So things like pants and a shirt covering your full back, sides and shoulders, sturdy sole footwear etc. And then we did originally have a students may wear section and we just adjusted that so now it's a solely a students may not wear section rather than unacceptable items. And so again kind of uh to Mr. Corliss's point we kind of had this laundry list of all these things that students were not allowed to wear. The revisions and redlines that you're seeing actually don't

029change a whole lot of what was previously written. Um I can see that the redlines um I've been told that this is written very badly. I can understand that the first and second bullet points of students may not wear needs to be adjusted slightly. Right, sunglasses or dark glasses worn inside the building, right? That's probably what that should say. Worn inside the building during school hours. Same thing with hats, hairnets and hoods, worn inside the building during school hours. But you can see that that was actually just a revision of what was previously in policy. And that said sunglass sunglass or dark glass absent a verified medical condition and or hats worn inside the building may not be worn. So you can see that we just kind of adjusted some of this language to make

030it more clear so that as Ms. Zulu pointed out so that practitioners can come through and they can read the policy and it's a little bit more clear now. But really the substance of these revisions haven't really changed the dress code to be completely frank with you. Some things have been removed. Um [clears throat] and then to Chief Corliss's point the torso, right? This has been kind of a a big topic. This is a big topic for this committee. We spent a lot of time talking about this. In the previous version of JICA this board had already prohibited clothing that bears or exposes traditionally private parts of the body including but not limited to the stomach. Right? And so that was this board's previously approved language. We've changed that to torso because from conversations with

031the committee torso is a more um accurate way to describe that part of the body rather than stomach. Um right? And so I'm just pointing out that some of these revisions didn't really change what this board has already approved and adopted. Uh the other areas that I did want to mention is so now there's a gang related apparel section. That's just for gang related apparel. Previously that all that information was was embedded under the unacceptable items list and now we've kind of pushed that into its own section around gang related apparel. All of my research [clears throat] around creating kind of a gang dress code, right? It's we're we're um in pretty you know I I I got to be honest we're in some pretty narrow territories here in terms of potential cultural discrimination issues,

032right? But there's nothing wrong with having gang related apparel in a board policy as long as it's specific and you've worked with law enforcement, you've gotten the opinions of folks who have an idea of what gangs what they're wearing, right? What they're using to symbolize gang affiliation. And as long as we have that policy review done on an annual basis and we're including all the right stakeholders, there's no reason we shouldn't have a policy like this in this community. From what I understand we do have a really serious gang problem. We do have a lot of students who dress in a way that identifies gang affiliation. And so there was a interest in maintaining that language so we did. And we just created it its own kind of standalone language to kind of emphasize that

033this is gang related and this is the reason that these items are being banned or prohibited is for gang related reasons, right? And so you can see for example rosaries are included on that list. Rosaries are item of religious expression but what we're saying is if it's solid red or solid blue. We're not prohibiting rosaries, right? You can have a red and blue rosary. Right? And so just the way it's written and how it's kind of emphasized under this gang related apparel um I think is important. Uh a couple of other changes so we created an enforcement section. Previously the enforcement under JICA was under like that first paragraph under the original policy. That was a big one for administrators because they didn't want they weren't enforcing it in the way they had the board

034had previously adopted that language. We weren't suspending and disciplining kids to the extent that the board policy had been written. So we created this new enforcement language which is much softer than the language that was previously included and it's really just providing students with alternate clothing. They can be disciplined for insubordination if they continue to violate the dress code policy, right? But we're going to use our response behaviors manual, we're going to use that practice, we're going to do best practices and not just go straight to discipline. Um And then we added some language on graduation I'm sorry exceptions just to make sure that we're capturing that folks who have cultural or disability related for example needs that they might need to be wearing items of clothing that would offend this dress code policy that

035they certainly would be permitted to wear that clothing. Also providing for building specific standards that um some buildings can have uniforms if they want and that's something that I believe I don't know how many schools currently are doing dress codes. So, eight. It looks like so we wanted to kind of give that language a little bit more board policy so that schools have that authority. And then the last thing I want to mention is this graduation adornment piece. That was the only area that wasn't revised. This is very specific in state law. It was recently I was asked that no other district large district in the state of Colorado has this graduation adornment language. I actually redid some research right after that conversation. All. So, I'm looking at Academy 20 which is the 10th largest

036district in the state has graduation adornment language. Mesa County 51 has graduation adornment language and their dress code policy. Aurora Public Schools has graduation adornment language in their dress code policy. And then I will say that Adams 12 and Douglas RE1 have decided to move their graduation adornment language to their graduation policies. So, that language we could just cut and move it to the graduation policy if there's an interest in this board for for one reason or another shortening this policy. It makes sense at least in my brain that we have all dress related issues all in one policy but if this board thinks it's appropriate and this policy seems too long by having this graduation adornment language in it then we could move that to a graduation policy or something of the likes. So,

037those are the primary changes. I'm happy to kind of talk through more specificity with you or if there's anything you wanted me to add with us. No, I just I just have that one last slide [clears throat] that really I mean that just kind of shows that we did make make some changes to the document itself but the areas of the body that we're recommending to be covered are the same as what it was before. But I I definitely seek seek input on some of it. I that's something that I I think is a strength is to take feedback and and to Ms. Zulauf's point is we want to get it right so that that we can implement it with fidelity across across the district. That's that is the primary goal. That is really what

038we want to do. We want to keep our schools safe when we talk about certain apparel and then we want to we want to keep it to where it's consistent district-wide of what the what the dress code expectations are. So. I just want to say real quick before we go on that I was at the Council Student Reps meeting with Wade when we discussed this and the overall consensus or my my feelings of it is it was pretty nonchalant. The kids weren't fired up. There was no heated conversations. We we had a a girl from I think Frontier, one of the charters. She she actually expressed that it's way more lax than hers and and she she likes ours better but it was it was a pretty easy conversation and and the kids went through

039it pretty you know pretty short in short order and I didn't I didn't get a I didn't feel a lot of pressure from them to for us to to do anything or for anything specific. It was pretty pretty high level. Are we opening it up for comments? And is that the end of the presentation? I did include that David Reyes in this presentation as well if you did have any questions that were more geared towards maybe some cultural questions surrounding some of the pieces that are listed in the in the dress code. Well, you you had mentioned Nate about the rosaries for instance. Okay, red or blue rosaries. Where do we draw the line in the policy where it says the district will accommodate students who wear items required by their sincerely held religious beliefs.

040So, how does how do you handle that on the ground? That's I'm just wondering when it comes down to something like that. Yeah, that's a great question Director Zarie. And so, I mean really it's going to be a case-by-case basis when we're talking about exceptions. And so, if a student has a rosary, that's not something that we would ordinarily prohibit, right? That's permitted to to have that. And so, the the the key here is that it's solid red or solid blue. It's not just the cross. It's the entire Mhm. beads and everything and I guess to to sorry to cut you off Nate, to to to add to that a lot of those are handled and I we actually had an individual student and a parent that pushed back on not necessarily the rosaries but

041the hairnets. And David and I set up a meeting and spoke with that family and by the time the meeting was was over it was a complete restorative relationship and I've got a great relationship with that parent and student to to this day but it is working through those situations and not and and explaining as to why we're asking [clears throat] them not to wear it and that direct affiliation that that's being utilized for identification in certain gang related activities. And that is where the implementation part comes in with the consistency and Chief Carwile said this but the goal is not to suspend students or to exclude them them from class. The goal is to have a clear policy that is clearly communicated that we can then do the restorative re-teaching and practicing as kids

042are coming into the building that day not as a blame or shame but really working with students on that one-to-one like individual basis so that we can track the violation if there is one, do some re-teaching and communication with parents and then get them into class on time without their cell phone. How do families that their their girls wear the head coverings? Is there something is done when they come into the school to kind of get that taken care of or So, that is under the exemptions part with those head coverings. And when we've explained that to students, they they don't seem to balk at that piece as one of the exceptions. And that was one of my comments well, I have I have many comments and I don't want to hog the time so

043I will give my first half and then pause and then let people talk and then if I have time give my second half. But one of them was actually the exceptions. I felt like it was really far down. Like if it could get brought up. I I have a very rough draft of what I I think a dress code policy might look like. I brought one for everyone. It won't protect us. I'm sure it went through draft for Gina's. Okay. I'm just kind of trying to tuck it through just because it's a little long document. So, number one, I think it should be two pages not five. I think that could be achieved by pushing the gang related stuff which I think is super important into JICF. >> Dr. Campus, let's wait till you sit

044down so that the microphone can pick your voice up, please. So, um the gang stuff I agree with the students. I think it's it's it feels like a very large part of the dress code and I think it's a very important part of the dress code. I'm actually really proud of the work that's been done in the dress code to negate gang activity in our school district. I think every parent wants that. I just think it belongs like that we can so under non-allowable dress number five is any clothing, paraphernalia, grooming, jewelry, hair coloring, accessories, tattoos, apparel, head coverings or body ornaments ornaments that are or contain any advertisements, symbols, words, slogans, patches or pictures that refer to drugs, tobacco, alcohol, weapons and then B, by virtue of color, arrangement, trademark or other attributes denote

045affiliation with gangs per district policy JICF. And so, we have a district policy that talks about that's in the original thing but it talks about gang activities. So, I feel like that's plenty of language to have in your regular dress code but then all the the blue red stuff can live in JICF. I don't think any of it should be eliminated. I agree with all of it. I just think it clutters this part of the dress code. Like a parent would have to read through the all that gang stuff before they get to the exceptions about head coverings for you know, cultural exceptions exemptions. Um So, I so that's num one of the things. Um I think one of the I'm really glad Wade that you point pointed out that this isn't something that touches

046all of our students, right? It is so important and so it's so important to get it right the first time. Um 100% agree and while I think it touches all of our students, I do think it touches our female students more. And I think that's a fact and I think if you were to pull data, that's what it would show. Um So, I did find it interesting of the district administrators Teresa is the only female that was represented. I know you had six out of nine school administrators who were female so I I appreciate that. Um But but I do think because it affects girls more and and this we are really are getting to just talking about the torso whether that needs to be a topic of conversation or not. I think that's something

047this board can decide. So, I have it on mandatory and allowable dress number one. And so, it says students must wear a top with straps or sleeves. Yes, that will eliminate the tube tops. That is not backless. That will eliminate backless shirts. They must wear a bottom and they must wear footwear while on school grounds. And then non-allowable dress if you go to number one, apparel that exposes private parts of the body, genitalia, nipples or buttocks or undergarments are not allowed. Clothing that exposes these areas by nature of the material, meaning like see-through or transparent, is not permitted. I I I would love to hear people's opinions on why that language isn't clear enough. I think the current policy is way too long and and sometimes longer doesn't mean clearer. I think [clears throat] simplicity

048does make enforceability a lot more a lot easier. And I think there's no point in having a dress code that no student is following and I I'm sure I can walk into any high school and there will be a lot of crop tops. And I think we're not enforcing it because it's not enforceable. So, can we just write a dress code policy that is enforceable that isn't um creating mass disruption in school and taking kids out of the class unnecessarily. So. So, I have a question, Dr. Campos. It's the I'm going to put on my old hat, okay? If I were to come in front of the board as a former orchestra director of Greeley Central High School, I'd ask a question about enforcement with concert dress and concert wear and expectations that I might

049have as an orchestra director and then parents come to me and say, "Well, according to this school board policy, my daughter can wear etc. And even though that's in violation of your concert dress policy, it's not in it's not in violation of the district policy and you should be following the district policy, not some ambiguous concert dress policy that you throw out into the kids because they're on stage." How do you do you handle that as a board director? To me, Mr. sorry, Greeley Central Orchestra Director. And I love that question because it comes to a second part of the revision that I don't agree with, which is the addition it's the second sentence that says, "Further dress code standards foster a professional learning environment that prepares students for the workplace." And then as part

050of your slides you showed, you know, the portrait of the graduate, the summer internship programs, all of that. So, So, I do I do think there is a place for for professional dress, like your choir, you know, when you're on stage, like an intern. I've had many avid students come into my exam rooms just this last week that I got to meet at Greeley Central. So, lots of sophomores and when I email them, I say, "Please wear business casual attire. This is what that means." You know, dark jeans or khakis with a button-down shirt. Like it is just different than I think the expectation we should have of them for high school and just being kids. And and I mean, I I we as adults, we don't I don't dress like this every day. I

051don't even dress like this in clinic. We only used to have jeans on Friday in my clinic and then during COVID they made it you could have jeans all the time and everybody loves that. So, I don't know making a more This feels like a more restrictive dress code than it was before and and I do feel that we're we're going the wrong way if we're talking about making it enforceable and consistent. Um And I think it can still be very robust without without some of the What happens is unnecessary discipline in my opinion and sometimes body shaming because it is often male staff telling female, you know, students how to dress and and that can feel bad for a girl. Can I ask you a question in that regard? So, looking at this image,

052>> [clears throat] >> what portion of that do you disagree with? I guess as far as the I mean, as far as the how the policy is written, I do think that we agree that it can be cleaned up a little bit, but in regard to this portions of the body that are covered in this image, what what part So, at minimum, the language in our current revision reads um Pants, shorts, skirts or other lower body attire that is secured at or above the hips and provides full coverage longer than mid-thigh length. So, at minimum, I don't I don't think it should say longer than mid-thigh length because not even your slide says longer than mid-thigh length. So, I already feel like that's an inconsistency. It says on the right. It says It doesn't say

053longer than >> say longer than. So, you could say at least mid-thigh length. But as far as the portions of the body, I guess what I'm asking is as far as the portions of the body that are being covered, do you agree with this or not? I'm not because it's covering the torso. Okay. I think that's all I was trying to And then I guess the question is raised then how much is too much and and how do you mean you talk the This is literally a This is literally a question as far as enforcement as to how can schools best regulate that as an administrator? And it's you know, the joke I get all the time. They're like, "Well, do you want us to get a measuring tape out of how much is too

054much?" And and really that enforcement standard of it. So, it's just trying to figure out where do we regulate that line of how much is too much on showing skin in the in the torso region. And so, I have had to answer a question about torso from my 7-year-old because she is in a cheerleading club at Greeley Central. They're called the Wild Kittens. They're adorable. And I had an exchange student this last year who was also a cheerleader, right? Those the uniforms do not comply with dress code. And so, it is very mixed messaging for my daughter. She asked me one day because she likes to you know, she was living with a 16-year-old so learned some things and likes to tie her little shirt and show her belly button. My 7-year-old does. And I

055have to tell her that's not allowed in school and she says, "Why?" And honestly, I don't have a good answer for her. I boyan, I guess. So, I guess I also like I guess what I would just consider basic. I want our clothing to be safe and not substantially disruptive. I fail to see how someone who is complying with the dress code wearing sweatpants and a sweatshirt is professional. So, I feel like let's take all that why out because I don't think that our students are going to are going to agree. I don't agree. I don't agree that that some of these delineations are going to help our students be professional. I agree you're giving a speech, you're applying for a job, you're intern, you're in choir. And I did also think about our cheerleading

056outfits, our uniforms rather, that they are not compliant. So, Which which that's listed in the exceptions as far as athletic. But but I guess you say like Why is it going to be Why is Yeah. I got I mean, the why I think is is more of a values thing, I think. And I don't think that we can put anyone values values values system on our students. So, so then I would just go to the substantially disruptive piece. And I don't know what I was curious that it's all admin. Like did we talk to the teachers advisory council? Are teachers feeling like this is a daily issue like the cell phones? Yeah, we did talk to TAC about this >> [clears throat] >> some meetings back. Um Teachers at the high school level are troubled

057by students wearing a sports bra to school as a shirt. Just as they just as they are troubled by a student wearing gang clothing. Um I think that people would argue that a sports bra that you would wear to an exercise class is an undergarment. I don't I think you're It's a hard case to make. Is that truly an undergarment or is it because it's something you might see in the gym or somebody might wear riding their bike. Um We could put undergarments including sports bras. Well, I mean and then when So, then when do you draw the line of adding in and you keep adding in, okay, exceptions or specifics. It's got to be clear and as a former educator, again, I'm going to refer back to my [clears throat] orchestra directing self. I

058would we deal with it all the time every day in the performing arts. And you talk about individual liberty, you talk about self-expression. It's there every day in the arts and we have to have clear specific well regulated guidance that is based on common sense and is I agree with you Dr. Compass Fetzer easy to enforce. The folks that are on the ground every day in the schools deal with this every single day. I assure you. Every single minute practically. And I as a board member I would defer to the experts that are on the ground. Amy's representing a huge number of them. And a lot of those folks are women. That are in our schools. And again I would defer to their wisdom and their day to day vision of what's needed to have

059a standardized policy that is consistently enforced. I would caution board members. To be to be to be careful. In what we implement. We need to listen to those folks that are on the ground. It's really really important. Or else there will be continued inconsistencies throughout the system. That's that's just the way I feel. I would like an opportunity to chime in. As I was reading the dress code and some of the changes and while I know that you initially said that you wanted to be it to be positive I felt that it didn't come across as positive. I felt like there was a short component of what is accepted and then it went into a lot of what wasn't accepted and so for me I would encourage a revision and I'm glad that Dr. Brenda

060presented a revised option because I was trying to think about what that could look like and I agree with the basicness of what a person can and can't wear. I feel like we're diving into a lot of items in here that while might be a concern focusing on the very basics of how our students can dress. As a parent perspective when you think about affordability and you think about fashion and you think about I just need my child to show up in school. Like that's the fight that a parent potentially fights, right? Then are they wearing a shirt that shows their belly button? And so when I think back about why I wanted to be on the school board it's about our students showing up in school, right? Again I know that this is a

061concern and I know it's a topic of conversation. I've enjoyed reading what Dr. Brenda has presented because it does just keep it to the basics and then while we leave it up to our teachers and our administration to address on a daily basis and try not to you know try to be consistent across the board. It's less focusing on really what they are wearing and more about how we are teaching and so I would lean more toward what Dr. Brenda has presented a proposal of a revisement and the proposal that she suggested about moving some of the gang information to a different a different page or a different section because while it is important what are we really focusing on? Is it really the focus of the gang component or is it really a focus

062of the dress code and so if it's the dress code then this more simple for me feels better. That's just my opinion. I think we probably need some clarification on current practice. It is my understanding that currently when students are in inappropriate clothing you ask them to change or cover it up. And so currently the big conversation I think is belly buttons. So currently if students are wearing a sports bra you ask them to cover it up. If students are wearing a midriff you ask them to cover it up. Is that correct? Yes and so what what Chief Coil is saying like our current policy says that our students torso should be covered the way that it's currently written. And so we want to continue that practice of having it covered and so there's not

063a suspension for a student who is is currently out of dress code. It's a conversation with the student and helping them get into dress code. And typically it's like hey can you please zip up your jacket? Yep absolutely. And so they zip up their jacket. And so then it's enforced and they're covered and the student might unzip their jacket when they turn around the corner but we're trying to be consistent and follow through with all of those pieces and I think to me clear is kind of we we want our kids to know what that clear expectation is. Our teachers and our classified staff who are helping us on the day to day basis about dress code. Like the clarity and the consistency is what our teachers and our staff members are asking for and

064so I agree with you of the the female side of it and when we're going into the practitioner part of it it gets the if it is vague it is harder to enforce. And so that is where I think a lot of the inequities come in because it maybe I don't enforce it the same way that my peers do at other schools and so that is inequitable for the students all around because we're not communicating clearly what it is and we're not enforcing it the same way. And so the example is in looking at um this option is that we have some students who are going to do a great job with this regardless and then we're going to have some wonderful students who are super smart say well this is what the the policy

065says and they're going to wear essentially a shirt that is covering the exact same thing that a bra would. Like it looks like a bra but it's like nope this is my shirt. I have a my underwear underneath it. This is my shirt but it's the same level of torso being exposed and breasts being exposed that a bra would. And so we are trying to be clear so that we can be consistent and we can be equitable with those pieces. And as somebody who works with teachers and staff on how to enforce it and as somebody who enforces it myself to me if we can if we can say torsos are covered and just be consistent across the district with that that actually makes it easier I think for students for families for staff because

066this is the rule. This is what we do. This is what we do in every single school so that's actually easier to enforce because right now with our inconsistencies it is not easy to enforce. What's interesting sorry to interrupt you but it already says that in the policy in district policy. It already says torso should be covered. I don't understand the change like just like that current policy updated policy is the same. And so here's where I want to play my nerd card a little bit is that Anthony [clears throat] and Chief Coil have given me the opportunity to help with this because this is a passion of mine because having a positive school culture is incredibly important to me. And being like an equitable educator is incredibly important to me and kids feeling safe

067and comfortable at school is incredibly important to me. So my nerd card is that I was given permission to do doctoral research in my doctoral dissertation on dress code implementation. But the key like a lot of the research is about the inequities in dress code policies across the United States but my fun nerd card part is about the implementation of it. And so a lot of the kids feeling not safe at school, the kids not feeling comfortable comes from how we as adults implement the policy. It's not necessarily the policy policy itself. It's how we implement it and what the response to the behavior is. It's not an automatic get out of here you're not following dress code. It's how do we engage that student in that conversation and and being clear and kind and

068welcoming and getting them into dress code and then back in class where it's not blaming and shaming. And that that is our hope of we want to be clear kind consistent work with principals and sit down and say okay just like we did with the cell phone and and personal technology how are we going to implement this? What does this look like? Let's run through some scenarios and do the same thing with the principals that we can then do with the safety teams and the teachers so that we can all be on the same page with it. And so it sounds like the enforcement piece was the piece at least for you principals who left you were most interested in. And so I agree that it what got struck out in that second and third

069paragraph did seem pretty severe for just dress code violations. That said my criticism for the revision is it doesn't seem much clearer to be honest. I think it feels less severe like the punishment isn't like you're going to get suspended but it's like up to people's discretion. It doesn't feel and so I did add some language to make it a a little bit more. So I kept everything you guys still had allowing the student to change into their own alternative clothing if available at school, providing temporary school appropriate clothing, contacting parents guardians to bring alternative clothing. But then obviously enforcing the dress code consistently using requirements outlined in the policy. And then and then I I will say I didn't come up with all of this all on my own. I looked at a lot

070of school district policies. So and then number two not confront students on dress code violations in a manner like you said that's unnecessarily uh unnecessarily disciplines or publicly shames them obviously, but sometimes that needs to be written. And then document in Infinite Campus after three informal conversations with the same student. And then, upon seeing multiple infractions documented in Infinite Campus, uh add the student to the referral form for support conference follow-up with restorative practice coordinator. So, it it still ends in restorative practice, but it feels a little more structured than just kind of like at building's discretion, cuz then I think you're still going to see the the inequities that you are pointing out are happening from building to building. So, anyway, I guess I felt the enforcement needed more structure, but to be less

071punitive, so. Yeah. Yeah, I have a question about I mean, there are always going to be students that want to see what they can get away with and push every boundary. Um so, again, like how big like is this a problem? This student with her cute little crop top that shows 2 in of belly. Is that a problem? Is the person who is trying [clears throat] to get away with literally wearing a bra ruining this style choice for everybody else? And is that common? Is that three people? Is that every day? Um cuz I guess I just kind of come back to that is it substantially disruptive to the classroom? And I go along with Dr. Director Lemos Garcia of like the kid came to school. They're sitting in their chair and they're listening to

072the teacher. That is a win. Um so, I would Yeah, I guess I'm just curious about are we talking about this kind of torso that that's a problem? Like our cheerleaders uniforms? Or is it the person who's trying to wear fishnet top and And is that a really large problem? Or is that a student that could be dealt with on an individual basis? You want to go verify, but I think the Greeley Central cheer uniforms do cover the full torso, but I will go verify. Make sure. They definitely don't go with that length. >> [laughter] >> I know I think so, but I will verify. Um I do think what is difficult, as we've talked a lot about this and we have talked a lot about torsos. We've talked a lot about belly buttons. We've

073talked a lot about, you know, how do we how do we make this consistent um and equitable for students? And it is it is a difficult question and that is why that task force has talked about it a lot and this the simple answer is that torsos are covered um because when we get into inches, when we get into that gray area, that's what makes it difficult for implementation and that is where we have gotten frustration from students and parents about our inequitable implementation of the policy. Um and so we're we'll continue to work with families and restore those relationships as as Chief Coilisk gave an example for it. Um unfortunately, many of the policies that we have um as a district, as a school board, are because a few people have made some interesting

074choices that have then created a policy for everyone. Um and so that is where we appreciate your leadership as we're working through this and I really appreciate the engagement in this conversation because I do think we truly want the same thing of our kids are in school. They feel comfortable and they feel safe. And we're proud when we have community members walking through our building. I will say and it See, I was surprised this got brought up. Um I know when the cell phone ban got brought up, it came from us, right? Like there was a lot of passion on the board about having a cell phone ban be consistent across buildings, um be clear, have real enforcement, um and and so it came from the board. And then, after we decided to take that

075step, the state actually, you know, dictated that all boards needed to have a cell phone. Um so so it became district level work. Um I will say dress code I I like didn't come from us, right? Which I I thank you, Dr. Pilch, for for pointing out that like where did this conversation come from? Like why why are we in the weeds, right? Cuz this feels like the weeds for the board. We don't normally do this kind of work. Um but it is a board policy that we revised. Um and and so it's interesting the way different school districts approach um dress code policies. There's basically three camps. There is the centralized approach, which is this, like what what it sounds like you guys are wanting from us, where kind of like the cell phone

076policy, that it's across the whole district, across all school buildings, clear clear enforcement, clear rules. Um so centralized. There's total decentralized policies that are like a few paragraphs long and then the schools come up with all their own regulations um or it's all just in the the regulations it gets pushed [clears throat and cough] into regulations and handbooks and the policy itself is just very high level, not into the nitty-gritty. Um and then there's hybrids, where the districts will have more be like more meat on the policy, um but then still leave a lot of discretion up to school buildings to have their own um So, it it's interesting to me that the rather than local control, like in the school building level, that you guys are asking us for district level enforcement and control.

077Um and and so because you you have raised it to district level, you know, you get the the seven board elected board members um opinions who have children in the district, who represent constituents in this district. Um and so you have heard one opinion. >> Well, and I would like to make a comment uh here also. I mean, I think um I I love the idea that there is a consistent policy. I think that for principals and for teachers, just, you know, the torso has to be covered. If crop tops weren't in fashion, we wouldn't be having this discussion uh because they are, but I think, you know, if kids understand that um I mean, I I I you know, grew up with, you know, we had to put our hands down on our to

078our sides to see if our skirts were long enough. Um so, it's not a new problem um and fashion will always uh push, but I think that the whole concept of having something this male, female, whoever you are, this is the policy. Um this has to be covered and it it gives um it gives the the district something that we can kind of stand on and say this is this is our policy. So, I I and I I mean, you know, I have sympathy for um moms, too, with that have um you know, their kids want to dress cute and and be in fashion, but I think there's also that idea that, you know, school is important and there is a policy. And so I would I would back uh this idea of the whole

079torso being covered. The priority, as far as I'm concerned, is number one, is it clearly understood by the students? That's number one. Uh especially at the high school level. That's where they're going to fight you on it. It's got to be clear. And then it's got to be enforceable by the administration. Uh easily and understood and and I'm all about the uh restorative justice practices, rather than the disciplinary, we're going to throw you out of school approach. Doesn't really work well. The restorative building back. Kids need clarity and if my experience is going to be worth anything, I'll just share with you. Kids are going to complain about things. It's okay. We've all most of us are parents. They're going to complain. But as long as you're clear and it doesn't change and it's that's

080the way it is here, then that's the way it is here. You can wear your whatever not when you're not in school. My daughter had a dress code violation when she was in middle school. She was sent home. She complained that they were too harsh on her, that her shorts weren't that short. And I said there's no reason to to fight this. You can wear your shorts when you're at home. You wear what they ask you to wear when you go to school. And the same thing happens in all the workplaces I've ever been in. So, again, I would urge the board, regardless of your feelings, I apologize, but that we err on the side of listening to our administrators who are on the ground and the staff that are in the building, what works

081for them. Cuz they deal with the kids all the time, every day. And if what Vice President Bentley says is true, and I believe it should be, you didn't hear a lot of feedback from the student the council of student reps on the policy, so I >> [clears throat] >> I'm taking that pretty seriously. Not even close this much passion, so. Yeah. They're living it, but >> [clears throat] >> I don't also show my belly ever, so I don't I don't have much input. When the council of student reps talked about it, was it this current version or it was like the one that it is now? Or did you show them the revised? input of what they would like to see. Cuz you had mentioned that you would love to hear from the from

082the students. Is that something you wish to do before we decide to make these revisions or this was kind of just you'd love to if it passes what we have now with the revisions, you want to run it by the student council? No, I think it's fair to let's let's clean up what we have now and I and I I think it would be good to to meet with council student representatives one more time Okay. and get their input as to where we're at with the revisions and some of that articulation to them as to why we made certain changes and clarity. Is this clear to you as to what we're going to be doing? So I'm I'm still a little confused about So wait, let me go back. I So I think I think

083I understand now what happened is we said there was an issue with dress code violations and with enforcement of dress code violations and there's inconsistency. Well, then so we went to policy cuz we often think policy is going to fix a problem and sometimes it does but those times are far fewer and far between than than just the humans fix the problem. So So we went to look at policy and in that we put together a committee which then caused a lot of stuff to get moved around, added and changed which I know Nate and Wade worked on extensively but I know you didn't do that in isolation. I know you did that with a lot of input from the committee. With the thinking that if we went to policy, made some revisions and then

084went back and and pushed this [clears throat] out to our administrators, we could then build some consistency across the system. Is that am I close to how we got here? Cuz I'm I'm not What what I hear some of the board members saying is yeah, let's change the policy and now let's allow torsos to show where we've never it's always been your stomach doesn't show. And so I I So I I suspect we came together to because we believed we could clarify policy to clear up something at the building level that we're frustrated with. And what we've ended up with is a very long, complex policy which I do think can be made more simple and probably presented in a different arrangement but And I think some of the perspective from a couple of board

085members are [clears throat] we're fighting this battle that seems really hard to fight. So let's eliminate the the rule. And we could have done the same thing with cell phones to be fair, guys, and we didn't cuz we believed it was a battle worth fighting. Well, and I feel like it it's very just specifically disruptive to learning. So I am trying to understand if a girl sits there actively participating in the class wearing a sports bra, is that disruptive to the educational process or does it in- interfere with someone's values that makes them uncomfortable? Right, I have that written. >> Are they Are you they learning? Like the point >> [clears throat] >> They should be learning. And I 100% agree that we're not in the classroom and this does feel very weedy but we

086have to approve it so we have to agree with the final. So that that's just I mean if I'm oversimplifying, I apologize but that that's my perspective is if it's safe and it's preventing gang issues and it's not disruptive to the class. >> I think um if I can say this without sounding crude, I think the issue is when you don't have a clear policy around that's being enforced around the torso does not show and it must have a back and something that goes over the shoulders, we are going to see clothing that looks close to lingerie in the classroom. And I think that is a value judgment. Do we want clothing that looks like lingerie in our classrooms? And and do we want clothing where young men are showing their boxer shorts? No, we

087don't. >> says and it does say no no undergarments so it feels like that part is >> It feels like that part is then a card in the classroom. They just put one over the top of their other undergarments, it's the same thing. Yeah, it's not under, it's on top. I've got See, I have something else under this. Yeah. So am I right, Miss Zulauf? Is that the issue? I mean what What is the problem we're trying to solve here? So I think the very positive thing and I started with this piece too is that we as a district have implemented the cell phone and personal technology policy. I think with consistency and with fidelity, there's some hot spots here and there. We're working on it. We're even doing a cell phone sweep tomorrow to

088make sure that it's it's happening. But we as um administrators, staff members have um been very appreciative of a clear policy that has a the clear next steps of how to address that policy and we were able to calibrate as an administrative team and then as staffs to ensure that we're implementing those pieces with fidelity. And so then the from the where Dr. Pilcher's talking about is absolutely right is that we have had concerns from staff members both classified and certified, from parents and from students that our buildings, particularly at the secondary level, are not implementing the dress code policy with fidelity. And so as Chief Corliss has been working on this with the [laughter] administrators we as administrators have identified that there is not clarity or there's pieces in the policy that we need

089help with and so that is where the task force then came together um to look at the policy itself to identify is there anything that needs to be clarified, added, removed so that as practitioners we can implement it with fidelity. So Dr. Pilcher's absolutely right but I would say that where it came from was frustration from again staff members, parents and students that we as administrators are not implementing it with fidelity because we are not clear on some of the pieces of the policy. And then to piggyback on that, I hear you 100% so I don't I'm trying to figure out where where that line is and and how do we how do we write it in? I'm not avidly against opposed to something but I do think we have two camps on that particular

090region. That's really what we're talking about. And I I do want to echo and just repeat what um President Mash said that I I do feel that we can't put cell phones and torsos in the same category for disruption. [clears throat] I I think they are different things. Um And please don't think I was saying that. Please don't. >> Okay. No, no, no. I don't No, no, no. Being clear and consistent was very helpful and so that is why you said it as an example. Yeah, that's why I used it as well is that we we had a policy for cell phones. We didn't really We changed like one sentence in our cell phone policy, I think. We just weren't enforcing it. Well, and I think that we we definitely agree we want it to

091be clear and concise and and if the board's role is to give teeth to the administration so that you can say I'm sorry, this is board policy and that makes your job easier, that's great. I um but I think Dr. Pilcher was trying to get to the the why of the torso, I guess. Um or like the What is that What is the problem that we're trying to solve with that particular piece of the policy, maybe? And I get if you give them an inch, they take a whatever. I'm terrible at idioms but they take a They need to spend time with a Kyle. >> [laughter] >> He's better at idioms. A mile? Yeah. And so and and so I I and I do I do believe it has to be all or nothing. I

092don't think you can play an inches game with torsos and I wish you could, right? But I'm sure it's a 2 inches for me is a lot more than 2 inches for Amy. So [laughter] you you can't. It has to be all or nothing. We And I mean it already is and so to me it's a little bit interesting that current policy isn't strong enough but how is the updated policy going to be stronger? Um And and so I am definitely in the camp of consistency and if we're going to continue to disallow torsos that it should just be you know, there We shouldn't play with inches, in my opinion. And so I think we we opened up the conversation by reviewing the policy and bringing it to you as we identified as administrators and

093as the um the committee who is working on it so that we could be more clear and consistent. And then if anything makes like if anything needs to be addressed or if we have any recommendations that that come from a district and board policy, of course they come to you to review. And so um I recognize that this conversation can be frustrating and I actually really appreciate the time and attention that you've taken to it because we care so much about our students being in class, the culture of our schools. And so I appreciate the the effort that you all have put in to this conversation so that we can again ultimately have that same goal come to fruition of our kids being in class, being successful. I don't know if there's other energy around.

094It does if we are trying to make this a little bit shorter and for maybe the average family member who just wants to see if what their kids wearing is part of the dress code, maybe we could move the graduation piece to the graduation policy and the gang related items to the gang policy and then this is just like everyday wear. I think you really need gang language in in dress code. I I do think Just the specifics of the bandana >> Yeah. I yeah, I guess if there's a way to make it Yeah, a little more >> You have generalized and then you have more specific in the gang policy. >> And I I understand what Dr. Pilcher's saying to those just like as a parent who only, you know, the parents who only

095want to take so much time that if you have to direct them to another policy that they then have to take the time for that and so I I understand what you're saying is having it in one place where if most parents are looking at dress code policy and that's it that having the gang things there at least with the specifics you'll probably actually reach more parents than if they look at it and like oh could this or could not well We already talked about color like I mean it's already in there and then you can just talk about the bandannas and the rosaries before cuz I mean you literally have to read through all of that before you get to the exceptions of sincerely held religious beliefs >> Oh yeah no I think the

096order of it is needs to be moved >> the exceptions up we we should that's really good feedback to move the exceptions right up at the top But I guess I you know just kind of listening here that this process that you've gone through with work working on this policy which is including principles and teachers you're saying that you know you you want everyone to come together around a policy and all be on the same page so that is the whole point of this whole process okay And this new revised policy makes it easier for you versus the older policy is that what I'm understanding There has been a lot of conversations while this has been about an hour's worth of conversation know that the task force has spent 10 times that going over and

097and having these conversations and Chief Corliss and I have professionally argued over hats and torsos and and all of this piece too and so I I say yes this does make it easier for staff members to communicate to families and to students and to enforce And like message and message and message be consistent be consistent make it positive up front positive conversations at the front so that we're heading it off would be the strategy What does shorts being not altered mean they can't be cut offs They can't >> they roll they roll them up Oh So Uh there's the fun trend also of unbuttoning the button and folding it down To show off your torso lovely >> [laughter] >> Or whatever you have underneath yes >> [gasps] [clears throat] >> Okay any other pertinent information

098that needs to be out there for the committee to consider I I just think it's interesting that in Director Rogi's days it's the exact same dress code cuz you still are having girls put their hands to their side to get to that mid-thigh length so I am sad that our society hasn't progressed in that many decades But that's my opinion >> Well it's changed quite a few times in terms of the fashion trends but >> [laughter] >> but same issues >> [clears throat] >> All right well thank you for your at least 10 plus hours of work on all of this and and hopefully So Ms. Mash or Director Mash I think we need we need some direction do you want us to just can this whole thing and stick with the policy we currently

099have which is an option do you want us to go back and attempt some revisions on this and come back again to another work session Um Um I mean I don't know what I I I mean what what >> One option is to just implement the policy we have cuz I think that's part of the problem is we haven't been implementing it now I think maybe there's legal issues or there were things in here that legally we needed to change if we were just to our old policy our old policy is more punitive which I don't I don't really appreciate that um But we we Go ahead This policy and the previous policy are legally defensible Both of them Completely Yeah so we but we could go back and >> [clears throat] >> work on

100this again >> needs to get moved up I think and this this one yeah like I think There can be It sounds like we're at a place where like there's things there that really is going to make things easier for you especially with that punitive portion of it and the things needing to be rearranged so maybe it seems like what's best is that they can take it back arrange some things around um you know moving the exceptions up and re-looking at just the structure and the flow of it and then obviously re-presenting it to us cuz that would mean that we tonight wouldn't be voting on it right Yeah we won't be voting on it >> so so bring this So in the interest of transparency I would just have a board director make a

101motion if you're not planning to make any changes >> Not right now yeah obviously not but during the board meeting you're just saying to make a motion to table this for further discussion amend the agenda amend the agenda okay So the wording on that would be great but yeah it sounds like it sounds like we're close at least but getting some of that stuff cleared up and then maybe once that's cleared up and out of the way then we can maybe have one final or another discussion on just some of those things that we have just some differing opinions on on the board I was curious if there could be a policy that is covering torsos and a policy that is not covering torsos and then there's a vote I don't know I don't know

102what no Well I I think I don't know if that's something into the actual meeting someone could recommend us to just a change and we could see if that ends see there's a majority of the board that wants to do that I do think um I think what's important important is that staff are asking for more help on this and and I don't think the help they're looking for is for us to say yeah it's okay to show torsos I just want to be clear about that but but it it's your policy when it is your policy >> like that it's that just is a curiosity for me if the problem is them seeing torsos or the problem is that there's that this dress code exists that this dress code is creating the problem that

103teachers I'm curious like that the dress code is creating the problem so then teachers are like well the our current policy says to cover your torso but like some people are doing it some people aren't and so is the the problem the policy not necessarily the torso I I'm I mean I'm I appreciate this like role school board member and the policy piece to it is very sticky and again I appreciate the attention that you're taking to it I know for the sake of time we can't go in and out of all of the other pieces but the example of that is well you don't follow this part of the policy why are you enforcing this part of the policy So that that is the enforcement conundrum of from a student staff parent perspective that

104is where we're talking and seeing the inconsistencies of you enforce this but you didn't enforce this And I I hear that frustration of what you had said earlier with that is just you know what's a sports bra to one person is not to another and then so where who starts making the judgments and so it does sound like there's a little bit trickiness there of like now you're leaving it up to like okay well I thought it was but this principal may not think that it was and so I know that that it sounds like it can create a little bit of frustrations there for you And that frustration >> Okay I'm going to stand up will go through the entire system I'm going to say my own experience and I'm going to go back

105to my concert etiquette uh comment I mean if it's if it's not clear in this policy you're going to have music directors in this district that are going to be pulling what's left of their hair out okay dealing with this stuff because that's on stage and it becomes a big issue very quickly So I just again clarity and [clears throat] listening to our administrators and staff members Well our band and orchestra teachers have wonderful heads of hair so Just want that to be for the record Okay so we would like a revision to clean up some language to maybe rearrange So [clears throat] if we do we need to somebody needs to move to amend the agenda Tonight yes But that's what we would like from the from the committee And then we'll make it

106official at the board meeting And then this doesn't require two reads cuz it's not a new policy right >> not new Okay So then we can see if we feel like we need to bring it to another work session or we can just discuss when we're voting on it I have some visions working up in my brain right now >> Okay >> [laughter] >> I just thought the temperature in the room raised up a little bit Um okay [clears throat] well then thank you very much for coming and we will make poor Mr. Fall now talk about the legislation and then he needs a nap >> [laughter] >> That's like so much Well I I if if it would be okay with you President Mash we could table that discussion for the meeting given it's

1075:55 Um I was going to have Miss Sponsor help me anyways and she's out today. Okay. Um and I was going to say >> Is there just though any that like encouraging us to take a look at them for the next time? >> So, I sent you an email with CASBO provided some guidance around the two most recent revenue forecasts >> Okay. from LCS and whatever OSPB. Um and it's their 105-page revenue forecasts are super complex and I thought CASBO's document did a good job of like really synthesizing that information and then why what what's important for us as school systems Okay. um in terms of this revenue forecast. So, what I will mention is that it's pretty likely that they're going to hit the pause on the rollout of the new funding formula Mhm.

108for school finance act. Um so, we'll see. That's everything. Thank you. All right. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> Okay. We You all are welcome to Yeah. go back to where or you can sit there. We're going to debrief the work session. >> to where you came from. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Thank you, David. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Um okay, we will debrief the work session. We'll start with you, Dr. Campos. I think I've said everything I have to say tonight. Thank you all for listening to me. Call the newspaper. >> [laughter] >> Uh Director Edmonds. Uh just thank you to everyone who's put a lot of work into this um and uh yeah, I appreciate just the continued work we just gave you. Um Director Uh just appreciate the discussion and

109just trying to work through um just the implications of of different policies and how it plays out in the schools. Director Garcia. Yep, I would agree. Um thanks for the conversation and um allowing us to voice and share our opinion and allowing us to listen as well. So, thank you. Dr. Azary. Yeah, I'd extend all the same things. And thanks to do the professionalism of everyone in the room and listening to each other. It's important. Agreed. I I mean, I think it's just um really uh important that we we stay balanced, you know, one way or the other. You know, whatever whatever that means in whatever policy and in what we're doing. So, I think we have a balanced board and and we get there in the end. So, I'm just uh thankful for all

110you guys' input and everybody's hard work on on all that they do this policy and and all the others. Time for the business meeting. It's going to be shorter than this one. >> [laughter] >> I got I got a plane to catch. Oh, okay. Um yes, thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Thanks for listening to all of our ideas as as most of us non-educators were trying to understand and and listen well. So, hopefully we will all digest all this information while we digest our dinner. This meeting is adjourned. >> [music] [bell] [music] [bell] [music] >> Mhm.