Greeley Evans School District 6 Board of Education Work Session 5-12-2025

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002you please call the role? Director Zari, present. Director Bentley, present. Director Campos Spitzy, present. Director Mash, present. Director Matthews, Director Norwood, Director Sullivan, board members, present. Thank you very much. The first item on our agenda is our calendar review and community engagement. And we are to the time of year of all of the celebrations, all of the graduations. Um, I also see the Frontier House breakfast. Um, and hopefully we have all given our attendance notifications to Miss Lemon. Oops. Do you need anything else for us um, regarding graduations at this point, Miss Le? I think all of our traditional graduations have been um, RSB2. Thank you. Great. Um, let's see. Then we will have one more board me board meeting in June, June 9th. We canled our second meeting in June. There's also the Pter

003Learning Center solstice dinner. That's a really fun event um to raise money for the PLC. And then don't forget GAP graduation a little later in June. And um President Mash, I'll just remind you all that the transition end of year celebration is Wednesday and it it's out at the um old Jefferson High School, the Jefferson Junior campus at the access center. So okay, you come in the side on the south side and that's where it was last year yeah it's where it was last year for those of you last year. Okay, if you're able to attend Any other comments on the calendar? Okay, we will move on to a small number of board member comments and reports. Dr. Campos, you want to start? Yeah. So, jotted five things down I wanted to report on. Um,

004one was I had the honor of being selected as the keynote speaker for Centennial uh, Centennial Bosses this year. Um, the celebration was honoring all of their high school graduates, but it was also honoring students in K through 12, so littles um, who had just been recognized as outstanding um, by their teachers. Um, so a really cool night. It was the first time I've been asked to write a keynote in English and Spanish. Um, for those of you not super familiar with BOSES, um, they support our students who come from, uh, agricultural families, not just in district 6, but across the northern region. Um, so we had kids from Pter and Windsor and, um, all over school districts. Gley, uh, district 6 is by far the most represented. Um, we had the largest group of

005students at the at the celebration. Um, and just a really great time. Um, I also got to attend Boys and Girls Club Elegant Night along with director Azari, um, and Dr. Pilch and a lot of our other staff. Um, I think two things that stuck out about this award night. Well, maybe three. One is the keynote speaker was excellent. He is a student at Jefferson High School. Um, just had I he got a standing ovation at the end of his his keynote. Um, just made us very proud at our D6 table. Um, and then they introduced a new award in Elegant Night called the um, Hearts and Hands Award. Uh, and it was started in honor of John Hayley because, um, he leads with his heart, but he also gets his hands dirty and gets

006the job done. Um, so I really loved that John Hafley was honored in that way. And then lastly, uh, there's a competition during elegant night called Heads or Tails. Um, and I actually won. I know. It was crazy. I know. That's like That's awesome. So, that was cool. Um, we got to visit Jackson Elementary this last week. It was really cool cuz they organized us to come into the kindergarten classes and then the fifth grade classes and and no grades in between. And so it was really fun to see kids, you know, starting to learn their letters and and how to sound them out and then jump to fifth grade where you have these students giving us these eloquent presentations um on athletes who have um driven social change. A lot of African-American athletes were

007represented as well as others um like Simone Biles and uh Jesse Owens and um they just presented so well. So, it was just really fun to see them at the beginning and at the end of their K through five um career. And yeah, Jackson's doing amazing things. I thought one point of conversation during our kind of debrief at the end uh was prompted by a question Director Mash asked about their English language learners because that school in particular um has a lot of English language learners. They have about 500 kids. Um, and almost all of them are uh from the boundary and not open enrollment. But she asked if it was easier to get the kids in kindergarten who were English language learners um because we can like help mold them and and all that

008or if that was easier than getting a a child in fourth grade. Um, and the answer was surprising to me even um from the CLLD teacher um who who does culturally and linguistically diverse work. And she said, "Actually, sometimes the fourth graders are easy be easier because their L1 or their primary language is so strong and they already have their grammar and vocabulary um that they're able to transfer those skills to English. Um whereas sometimes with our kindergarteners um they're coming with ln none. Um and so it's it can be even harder work. So, just interesting to see it from their lens and always appreciate how much work goes into um into making sure all of our kids are are served at our schools, including our English language learners. Um I think a highlight for

009all of us was the retirement celebration. Um we got to celebrate teachers who put in even 40 years in our district, which just blows my mind. Um, I wish I I didn't do the math of if you tallied all the years we celebrated. Uh, but it was definitely in the maybe 400 or maybe 300 range. Maybe I'm not great at math. Um, but it was it was a wonderful night and it reminded me that Dr. Pilchi started that tradition when you came here, the retirement celebration, right? Um, and I just think how important for somebody to be recognized after that long of a career, you know, 20 plus years uh career in our district. So, um just a really great night. And then lastly, today at noon, my Rotary Club, um we have a tradition

010where during our meetings, um you can put a dollar in an envelope if you're going to share a happy moment. Um and these will range from a grandchild was born to, you know, I have a high school graduate. Um just any kind of celebration and a dollar goes in an envelope. Um, and now that the year has been up, the dollars, it was decided to buy books for our um, public schools and we got to distribute them. Um, I only participated in one distribution this morning at Centennial um, but in uh, four of our other schools. Um, just really cool. Shout out to Rotary. Thank you. I made up for everybody who didn't. There you go. You covered you covered a lot. How about you, Mr. I appreciate Dr. Brenda's uh comprehensive report. I don't

011need to speak much more about the Boys and Girls Club event, the visit to Jackson or the retirement celebration. Just congratulations to all of our retiring staff members and for all their hard work over the years or year uh that they have put into the school district. I did attend the Gley Central Arts Magnet Gayla uh and uh being a former staff member at Central, it's it's always near and dear to my heart. But uh uh it's it's nice to see so many great things happening in all of our schools and our high schools. And uh shout out to all our young performers and our GCHS staff and for the civic center staff for all their help and support of the school district. It's really appreciated. And finally, I had the opportunity as the board

012director affiliated with our wellness committee uh to go to their final meeting on May 6th. And I just wanted to do a short report out on on three um pieces of data uh that they shared uh with me. Uh I cannot answer any questions concerning this. All I can do is report out. Uh so what they said is that uh they were reporting out on policy goal number four of our school wellness policy which concerns staff wellness. The wellness committee's philosophy is that staff wellness is student wellness and in that regard we are doing very well in comparison to the state's data. Uh 100% of our schools have a wellness champion staff member which is 25 percentage points higher than the state average and our staff have opportunities to participate in health screenings at 100%

013of our schools which is almost 50% higher than the staff average. But the wellness committee has determined and ha is asking that we look into providing more opportunities for professional development regarding fatigue and burnout for our employees. So um outside of that that's that's it mash. So thank you. Thank you. Uh personally I've had a while a couple weeks so I didn't get to attend much. I've been traveling a bunch for work. I did get to go to the PLC room dedication for John Hayilly. I guess it was for John and Delia, right? It wasn't for both of them. Um that that was really touching to see the the art that that artist created and and just to hear the story of the the history of the PLC and and all that stuff, too. So,

014um that was about all I got to do and just looking forward to graduation, wrapping up the school year for my personal life and for for the school district life. Yeah. Are you experiencing that having a senior is like a another part-time job? Yeah, it's it's like having a stranger in my house that I don't want there anymore. Just just supporting them. It's like, you know, those people that have squatter issues. I I have that same issue. I don't ever see them, but there's a whole of mess and they always texting me for money. Oh my goodness. That never ends. Anyway, that might be lifelong. Um, I also enjoyed the Pter Learning Center room dedication and just would encourage anyone who hasn't been out to the Pter Learning Center. I I took my dog out

015there for a walk. Um, they've just done such a beautiful job of um working to have native grasses, native plants. I I remember when my kids went there with the French chartis um they did they did a number of field trips there. they would talk about, well, this plant is beautiful, but it's a noxious weed and it's going to take over. And um just when I was there this last week, it it's really beautiful. All those things I think have been been taken care of. Um and then yeah, the piece of art that was designed is very thoughtful representing the Hel's love of fishing and I think it has their hands again, get their hands dirty in the soil and so go check that out. Um I also attended the Gley Central Gayla and was

016honored to be um the welcome speaker. Um the the MC's were in character from Legally Blonde. So I got a very enthusiastic oh my god um introduction which was a lot of fun. Again just so impressive um their orchestra, their choir, their jazz band. I just feel like you could you could hire any of them for for your wedding or your your event. Um, so congratulations to them and just continue congratulations to all of our students. I've attended the league track meet and a last chance track meet that had 90 schools. Continue to be impressed with just excellent sportsmanship. You know, the the Gley West, Greley Central kids are running each other down on the track and then they high-five each other and go hang out, you know, between events. Uh my son took his

017AP statistics test and I wanted to also thank all of the teachers who spent their Saturdays doing AP test exam prep. My son went at least three times for three hours. I mean that's like a whole extra couple of days of work and um I think it made all the difference. So um I really very much appreciate that and the retirement celebration. Um, yeah. I just feel like we don't celebrate things enough and thank people enough and say positive things enough in in our world. So, anytime we can celebrate someone's um hard work and dedication, we should do it. So, thank you for your comments. Um, and then Dr. Pelch, did we decide to switch and maybe start with the legislative updates? That's up to you. Um, whatever you'd like to do, we're ready to

018go either way. Yeah. Um I feel like that one might be a little easier to catch up seeing as they're updates as opposed to something brand new as opposed to if someone comes in the middle of the facility audit. I think all of you have seen this except for uh director Sullivan actually she was not able to come in to to get some prelude to this and so I think it would be if we can wait for her that's probably a great idea. Okay. Well, then if Mr. Fall is prepared to go next, that would be great. Thank you. Do you staple these, Nathan? I Yes. Did you're not type A. I like it. Thank you, President Bash and members of the board. Dr. Pilch, my name is Nate Paul and M House legal counsel

019for the school district. Um, this is just a run through of all the bills that passed and didn't pass and then we'll spend a little time at the end to talk about school finance. Um, if there's something specific on here, please let me know and I can let you know where it's at. So, let's just go through the bills that did pass. The first one is House Bill 251075 regulates speech language pathology assistance. Um, I I put on this sheet uh in bold what my perspective is on what we need to do about this. And for this bill, I don't think there's any action the district needs to take. This is they there was a carveout specifically for school-based uh speech language pathology assistance. And so, we can just continue to do what we've always

020done with those folks. House Bill 251135, communication devices in schools, that's the phone ban bill, requires us to adopt a policy. We already have a policy, so we don't need to take any action with this bill. House Bill 251149, comprehensive black history and culture education in K12. We didn't talk about this bill, but it did pass. Uh, so the state board of education is going to adopt standards on black historical and cultural studies. Uh once they do that then we need to adopt those standards as well. Uh probably into social studies. So uh essentially we will just need to wait for the state board to adopt those standards and then we will adjust our curriculum as needed. And I'm recogniz I'm moving quickly but there's a lot to discuss here. So house bill 251 1152

021tech excel accessibility liability contract that um has not been signed yet. It's possible the governor puls may veto this bill. Um but really what we need to do is update contracts and that's really more interesting for me. But just know that that bill what it does is it um creates a little bit of protection from liability if any of our technology is not accessible in accordance to those digital accessibility rules. Uh that's specific to to school districts as well. House Bill Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to say we worked really hard to get up to the level of that more recent law, right? Because didn't there already something REU was passed recently that increased that accessibility, right? Like is that I feel like Myers was working on our website. Yeah, there was a there

022was a bill in 2021 that was set to go into effect last July, July 1st, and they extended that one year um to July 1st, 2025 of this year. Um, and so we need to be in full compliance with those digital accessibility standards. They are also making revisions to the rules themselves that will come out June 30th, so the day before. It's a little bit it's it's creating a little bit more um I would say it's it's creating a little making a little bit easier for archive documents. our financial department has a lot of documents online that they are required by law to have uploaded to make those documents accessible is it's insane. Um and so we don't need to do that according to the new rules they're archive. So um but this just creates

023so when we enter into an agreement with a vendor then we can include language that they'll indemnify us for any um technology that's not accessible so that we can go back after the vendor if we are ultimately sued. Um that would require a lot of work on our part and so you know whether or not we want to do that but it just creates a little bit more teeth in our contracts. Okay. Thank you. Uh, House Bill 251188, mandatory reporter task force recommendations. I'm also not sure if we talked about this bill, but there were a few changes for mandatory reporters. We know that here in District 6, all employees are mandatory reporters. I even uh take the position that you all as board directors are also mandatory reporters as well. Um, certainly uh in

024some of your professions, you're probably mandatory reporters. But the significant changes that came through this task force uh is that you have to make a report within 24 hours. Now before the law said immediately make a report and it was a little bit up for um debate on how long immediately is. They've now clarified that to mean 24 hours once you receive notice that a child is potentially been subjected to abuse or neglect. And then the other change is pretty significant is that it exempts any um suspected abuse and neglect that occurs outside of your professional capacity. So there was a Colorado Supreme Court case or it might have been an appellet court case in 2017 where a teacher uh had known about child abuse at her home uh and never reported it because it

025was in her personal life that this was happening. And she was later fired. This happened in Pter. I I believe it was Pter but she was later fired for that. Um and uh at the time they had agreed, the court had agreed that when you're a mandatory reporter, you're 247 um on and so now they've made an adjustment. If it's occurring outside your professional capacity, then you don't need to report. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Um maybe Dr. Bilch can answer this. Who produces our cart training video? Is that an internal or do we hire an outside agency to do that? We we do that. We do it. We do it. So it's easy to control and easy for us to update. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we'll and that that's kind of the recommendation is we'll

026we'll just need to make changes to our car training. But yeah, we kind of collectively all work on that car training and update it every year. Um so yeah, Dr. Pel, is there an extra handout for Miss Sol? Oh, the next bill is House Bill 25192. That's financial literacy graduation requirement. So, thank you. Two things. The fast school requirement goes into effect the 2728 school year. There are exemptions, but there is an expectation that you create individualized plans for all students. And that as part of that individualized plan, they're given the opportunity to complete a FAFSA. Uh they don't have to if they are exempt, which the exemptions are pretty broad. If essentially if you don't want to do it, you can just opt yourself out. The other piece to this is that we can

027integrate into an or like current course that we already have or we can develop a new course uh that incorporates the existing financial uh literacy requirements that already exists in statute. So I don't know if we have curriculum already that has incorporated the financial literacy standards. Um if not, we'll just need to develop a course, but we can we can identify a course that currently exists that aligns with those financial literacy. The financial literacy standards, as my understanding is they're not changing. So the existing standards um do um are addressed and do exist in our elementary mathematics curriculum and then in our high school United States history curriculum andi US history is a requirement for graduation. So, every student accesses the financial literacy coursework through the United States history course, typically their sophomore or junior

028year. And my reading is that it's it's pretty differential to school districts to creating those courses. So, I think that it's going to be a lot more flexible than we had originally anticipated. Uh the next bill, House Bill 251210. This is data reporting requirements for K through 12 schools. This is really just stream streamlining and centralizing certain data points that we have to share with the state and with the federal government. Uh so hopefully this will just make things a little bit easier, but we need to wait from guidance from the state before we can make any adjustments on our reporting um needs. But that should save some administration time in terms of all the reporting that they have to do. uh House Bill 251248. This is protects students from restraints and seclusion act. So

029just know that restraints and seclusions previously existed in this other law called protection of individuals from restraint and seclusion act. And what they've done is they've taken out the provisions specifically related to students and they've moved it into title 22 which is the uh title under Colorado law that governs schools and school districts. So, they've essentially just made a restraint seclusion law specific to schools. Uh, my guess is that's going to make they're going to slowly chip away at the restraints and seclusions law over time now that it exists in a different uh title. So, but right now there's no changes that were made to the restraint and seclusion law and so we don't have to take any action as a district. I'm guessing there's going to be changes though next year. Uh, House Bill

030251278, that's the education accountability system. So, um, we've spent a lot of time talking about this. Uh, the final act, uh, aligns with really everything that we've talked about. Um, and so if there are adjustments we have to make for reporting purposes, then we will be making those adjustments, but it doesn't require any policy or significant changes on our end. The next page, House Bill 251300, workers compensation benefits, proof of entitlement. We talked about this bill at the last um, work session. This is going to do two things uh but of significance. It's going to allow injured workers to choose their own treating physician. The state's going to provide a list of level one or level two physicians that are accredited uh rather than our current list which has four physicians that we have made

031that agreement with our um insurance provider Pinnacle for workers compensation. So this is going to lead to some significant changes with our workers compensation forms as well as our practices. We're going to need to meet with our insurance providers, probably our brokers as well, uh, to discuss what changes need to be made, but this is going to be pretty significant. And my guess is it's going to lead to higher premiums. Has the governor signed this yet? Uh, I am actually not sure. Let's go. There was some hope that the governor might veto this, but maybe not. Um, but I I think the last point that Nate made is really important. Um, this will, if this fully passes, this will very likely increase the cost of our insurance significantly. Workers comp insurance. Yeah. Yeah. So, I

032saw that it passed both the House and the Senate and then they had some committee reports that were also repassed on the last day. So I don't see any signature from Governor Pis yet. So we will see. But this is this will cause Yeah, this this is a pretty significant bill. Do you foresee this being challenged? I don't know. I because this is not just schools. I mean, this is everyone. It's everybody. And I mean, this was challenged by everybody. And so, you know, the fact that it got through the way that it did, um, I think is it's concerning kind of statewide. I don't know. Well, there may be other states that have very flexible workers compensation laws that kind of allow them to treat whatever treating physician they want. And um so I

033don't know, I don't know if there's a constitutional challenge that could be made though. So um Senate Bill 2563, this is the library resources bill. Uh again requires a policy adoption. community have a fairly robust policy on um non-curricular materials and book challenges. Senate Bill 2573, military connected children with disabilities. So, I'm just going to read it. This bill clarifies that the child of an inbound active duty military member who has an existing IEP or existing section 504 plan is eligible for open enrollment and guaranteed metriculation. So, um I'll need to work with our special education department to determine if any adjustments are needed. I'm guessing we probably are already ex accepting all students that reside in the district. So, um, okay. Senate bill 25143 extend prohibition on school facial recognition. This bill was a

034big deal to some school districts. It wasn't to this school district. Uh, this is relating to a prohibition that schools could not contract with software companies that have facial recognition services. This was set to sunset this year. Uh, they have brought that back. They've created a few exemptions for when a school district may contract with an entity that provides facial recognition services, but we do need to adopt a policy now. Um, and so my my plan was to just wait until CASB comes out with um a sample policy on this one because again it doesn't really pertain to our work. It's possible that in the future it may impact uh technology surrounding safety and security. So, if we have security cameras that might be able to recognize an individual based on facial recognition, we might

035might not be able to use that service. Uh, which would certainly be problematic from a safety and security perspective, but um, nonetheless, uh, we'll see as the years go on. Uh, Senate Bill 25154, access to educator pathways. This bill just gives uh currently licensed teachers access to obtaining certain uh endorsements from early childhood uh special education and elementary education. And they just need to submit some evidence to receive those endorsements. This isn't going to lead to any action on our part. Senate Bill 25191, cardiac emergency plans for school sports. I just wanted to bring this forward to you. Uh it just requires that we place and maintain AEDs in accordance with nationally recognized evidence-based standards for emergency cardiovascular care. We don't need to take any action. Um I just want to celebrate this district once

036again for uh the incredible work that they did um to to save um the gentleman who came to the board a few meetings ago uh and that we do already um maintain our AEDs in accordance with these practices. So um I took the AED training and I thought it was really amazing. So, they're doing great work uh in this school district on that on that front. Uh Senate Bill 25216, eliminate reprinting of education laws. I only included this cuz I'm particularly sad about it. So, we received these education law books. We don't get the books anymore. I know. I know. It's a It's a very loved book. You can still go online, Lexus Nexus. you can access the education laws, but uh it's near and dear to my heart as well. But they did have

037to make some cuts and this is just one of the cuts that they made. It wasn't I think it was like $50,000 or something. Um which when we're talking about $10 billion, that's not very much money, but anyways, Senate Bill 25276 protect civil rights immigration status. We talked about this bill. Um, you know, I I just brought up the concerns about it creating a civil penalty for violating, sharing, or disclosing certain information uh to federal immigration officials. Uh, those uh provisions in the bill passed. So, those civil penalties still exist. So, um, we did provide some training earlier this year. And so we'll probably need to just provide additional training to our office staff uh if they are confronting federal immigration authorities uh and what they can and can't do. And then last Senate Bill

03825315 postsecondary and workforce readiness program. This uh consolidated several programs into three main funding streams. Uh it got rid of a scent I believe and it just essentially created these three programs. So, we'll just need to determine what we need to submit to the Department of Education to receive funding under these new models. Um, and we need just to make sure our programs align with the state's workforce demand and priorities. My guess is they do. Um, we have such a robust uh workforce readiness program in this district and career and technical education programs. Um, really, really amazing and impressive. So, it's my understanding this legislation will have an impact on us and that we won't be able to offer as much for our students. It's possible. It's my understanding, Jenny. So, uh, any questions on

039those or worries? Okay. Uh, just briefly, the Tabber lawsuit bill, uh, did not make it through. Uh, the safe to tell handle with care notice, that bill did not pass. Uh, the modifications to Kora was actually vetoed by Governor Polus. Um there was a bill about public school financial reporting requirements that was going to require a much more in-depth financial reporting uh at each school site uh surrounding private donors and things of that nature. That bill did not pass. And then that youth service organization bill that we had talked about um also did not pass. So those are some of the bills we had talked about that didn't make it through. Um and then finally we have the school finance act. So, just know that by and large this is a really this is really

040good news. Uh it's going to be a little bit over $10 billion to school for the next fiscal year is a little bit less than what was promised, but still a pretty amazing adjustment by the state legislature this year. So, that increase per pupil funding. Um we know that they uh extended the four-year averages to account for declining enrollment and that they're going to now implement the new funding formula more gradually. instead of six years, they're going to fully implement it over seven years. I do want to talk about this Kids Matter Fund. This is actually brought by Senator Kirk Meyer. Uh that's going to create a dedicated funding stream for public education. Um and it's going to lead to a pretty significant increase that will go to the state education fund. Uh estimates anywhere

041from 200 to 230 million. Uh, and this is going to be coming from a small percentage of state income tax revenue. So, in order to fully fund this new formula, um, I think, uh, legislators like Senator Kirkmire were thinking of creative solutions because we know how much this new formula will actually end up costing. And so, um, this is a really, this is really good news. I might have botched this. I don't know if Miss Sponsor or Dr. Pilch has anything to add about the Kids Matter Fund. So, it's not top of the finance formula. It will help to fund. It really it really what it does is it um pulls those dollars right away so that they're not open for negotiation for the state budget. So, it would pull them on the front end

042uh in order to preserve the funding in public education. So, it's it's pretty exciting. Yeah. It does not start this. It did doesn't start until 207 or something, I think. So, yeah, there's a study group to work on it next year. Um, I think so. But it's exciting for it's exciting for K12. Cool. And it passed. It passed. Yep. And uh and then just they're going to cap state construction grants at 150 million. That's kind of that best that we talk about. Um, and so that's going to have a cap on it. They may make adjustments in future years, but that was just another way to kind of free up some money to fully fund this. Um, I'm not sure if there's anything else on school finance that um, either of you wanted to add,

043but otherwise, it's it it really is good news. You want have any more to add unless there are questions? We're happy to take questions. I don't see any. I think you've done a great job of keeping us up to date and um I really appreciate the format passed. Here's what we need to do. It's like really easy to find. So, do you have a question on any of the legislation that we talked about earlier that might not be mentioned here or any, you know, any other legislation that we can help you with? We'll continue to monitor what's going on at the federal level and I will update this board as we learn more. Thank you. Thank you very much. We'll move on to our facility conditions audit. Mr. Hson. Thank you. So, um, we did

044flip these two items, Mrs. Sullivan. So, because I know you haven't had a chance to come in and see this yet, I think the rest of you have seen some of this at least. Um, there there is some new information here. Um, I'm happy to introduce Ken Henson, assistant superintendent of uh, support services to lead off this presentation and I'll help him on just one slide. Um, and maybe phone a friend to Megan if I need to and and I'll let you introduce our guests tonight too, Ken. Okay. Thank Thank you, Dr. Pelch. Um, this is Lisa Gardner. She's an architect with HCM Architects. They worked on Gley West um Madison and Centennial and handful of other schools. So, uh Lisa was primarily about those with Gley West. They also um did brought a team

045in last summer, so a year ago, we started asking questions about this uh building and its future and its you know, feasibility of replace or repair. uh after about the hundth phone call from Teresa saying it was too hot uh in this building. So um that's that's pretty much when we started this study which was well before the study that you all have seen about the downtown development with the city and the county of which we are the smallest player in. We basically have one chess move um and the others have more. So, the purpose of this presentation is just to kind of show you the why and what's up with this uh facility. And so, where's this is a different mouse. Just left click the mouse. There you go. Left click. My brain's got

046to go like this now. Um, so we have done uh two site assessments on this building as part of the facility master plan back in 2019. Cunningham did a study on all of our sites. Uh, but their study was more qualitative at that time, not quantitative because we knew we weren't going to be investing bond money into anything but school buildings. And then um when we called HCM uh last spring, we wanted to do kind of a dollar fordoll replacement versus fix uh value of this building. And so just some things about the site. This building's 70 years old. Um which is kind of hard to believe in some senses, but maybe not if you're here every day. Um an addition was added in 1977 and we purchased it in 2001. Um and so again

047in 2019 we did a qualitative study. We did not spend any bond dollars on this building have not uh because that was uh primarily for students in schools. Areas of need um being 70 years old and heavily lived in um it obviously will not meet parent accessibility standards. Um, it does meet standards for when it was built or remodeled way back in the day. Uh, but nothing would be current. Uh, the building envelope, which is roof, walls, exteriors, uh, is in poor uh, condition allowing for water infiltration. Um, all the glass is single pane. I don't know if you're putting single pane windows in your home, but that was done like a long time ago. We stopped doing that. Um the mechanical and HVA system uh needs a replacement which is significant in this building.

048The mechanical room is three floors. Um and it's really kind of weird. Um fire suppression is needed. Uh this whole building does not have fire suppression up to current code and we do not obviously meet the current energy codes. Um other areas of need there are a lot of ACMS or asbestous containing materials uh present in the building in a lot of areas of the building and this um in order for us to do anything we need to abate um those areas um the ACMS are in a safe condition but if we go and try to remove them clean them wipe them go through them uh then we have a problem and we have to do abatement. So what I tell here is this my peers is don't hammer anything into a wall without us

049knowing about and let us check which wall is what. Um and obviously the elevators are in poor condition. Um and when you ride in the elevators uh you need to know we cannot touch an elevator. So the raggedy one over on the one side of the building with the paper we cannot even touch that paper. uh you have to be certified. We have to have a certified company to do anything with an elevator. So they are um nearing the end of their life and also obviously the building is and still is floodprone. Um so what HCM did in their study is we looked at what is the cost of actually replacing the building which is just square foot just as is. It's not like, well, let's take this, but I'd like to add this, this,

050this, and this, and this. It was simply the value of this building. What would it cost to replace? And then also a repair. So, the things need to be repaired. And it, as I mentioned, it does not include any major remodeling or redesign of a building for um efficiency. And so the replacement value um of this building uh kind of came out to a number of 36 million. So that includes um office spaces that are at adequate. You know this big airspace out here which which we can't use again that's just kind of like for like a placement value of $36 million. The cost to estimate repairs again without improving the building but just making repairs is 23 million or you know 2/3 of the cost of building uh new. And you can see some

051of these numbers um these uh numbers up here that uh kind of lead to that. the one you we talked about the mechanical system which is important in a building your HBAC and your AC to build new to replace there's a cost to actually fix this is is almost twice the amount of money to do that so we talk about value of new versus old um and again if we make repairs to this building we're starting with a building that's 70 years old in 30 years this building will be 100 years old this the structure of this building. And then one last uh number here is a a facilities condition access uh index number 64 generally if we're going to um the best grant or to the state and say we'd like to tear down

052this building. Um 0.5 is kind of the number the threshold that once you get over that that is like a replacement index that that building needs to be uh torn down. We're at 64 when we tore down, which is uh probably the highest in the district. Um John Evans when we tore it down, I looked it up, was almost at 08. Um so that's a pretty high number. So I guess the only thing I wanted to add to this is um so this is a summary from our assessment. This is just all the different systems that we evaluated when we did the assessment of the building. So we break it up by different areas. So we look at the surrounding site and that would be the drainage issues, parking, um hard surfaces, roofing is pretty

053straightforward, envelope. So this just kind of gives you an idea of all of the different things that we look at both from material standpoint, life safety, code compliance, um energy efficiency, just their the functionality of all of these systems. So it is a very thorough analysis of um all the different systems that are in the building. And when we talk about the interior, that is truly not how spaces are being utilized, but what are the conditions of the different finishes? Are they at the end of the life? Do they need to be replaced? Things like that. What are conveyances and specialties? So, conveyances are elevators. Um, specialties, that's kind of um would be thing that would be probably our what do we have a specialties? Good thing I brought this with me. No, I don't

054know. It's a special whatever it is. Um, that would be Well, so we don't have anything in the repair of it. So, the replacement of it. Um, guess we'll look that up. We'll have a specialist and get back to you. Yeah, I thought that was like furniture and um sound systems and the things that are not included in the condition in the repair of the condition budget is what I when we had the first presentation, Kent. Yeah, I believe that's where I believe that. Let's look for sure and see because that is not something that we evaluated at all for the specialties of this existing building, but in the case of furniture or any of those kinds of things, it would just be what it would cost to add to a a comparable building new.

055And so with the site assessment like we just showed you is the general $36 million in replacement value. That's with no design. No design has occurred. That's just if you want to look at this for now just just like it is. Um does not include cost of land. um does not include abatement and demolition which um we'll talk about that here in a minute. Um does not cost so so in other words I guess let me explain if this is to work within this development program one of the advantages for us is that we could take the first step and start building on land across the street which will allow us to stay here and live while we design and build and not have to move. And so relocation and rent for personnel for two

056years. If we were to do this like let's just tear down this building and rebuild new. We would have to relocate our personnel for up to two years probably almost 3 years um from this building. Um does not include drainage fixes to prevent flooding um in the area. Now we know if we build higher we're more floodprone but as long as we have this building we have the same foundation. uh development, design and engineering fees and costs. So any of those soft costs are not included um yet in that number. In RichArk's um estimates uh that they gave us, they gave us some round numbers in your presentation that they did for you. They kind of came up with a number of about $33.5 billion um replacement value and that was basically for the shell

05723.8 8, which is basically just the structure of the building as is, and then about 9.7 million for finishing it inside at a cost of about $550 a square foot. Um, additional costs that need to be added to this. Um, they have um they actually worked with AP Construction and came up with a value to tear this building down and abate it about $2.3 million to do that, which would be a cost to us. Uh our share of parking garage as part of this project would be about 5.6 million and then 6.7 million for soft costs for design uh for fees and filling it out with furniture etc. uh is roughly about 6.7 million for a round cost of about $48 million. So just having two comparisons that are slightly different. the one that Richmartart

058gave us and then the one that HCM provided us with a little more scope. These are both just generalizations um are uh fairly close with the starting point of 36 million to 33.5 million and then we have those other costs back on slide nine. Um, if we renovated this building, so if we decided we don't want to build new, but we want to renovate, the renovation estimate that we got from htm is about 23 million. It's probably actually higher than that because as you get into walls and start pulling things apart, you start pulling and finding other problems that are hidden in floors, walls, and ceilings. So, it's probably higher than that. We're still floodprone. Um, our FCI score does indicate replacement and I did some research in our work order system since 2022. Just

059our work orders, not projects, work orders. We've invested um over a million dollars uh in this building. And um I kind of did some math there that we've spent um 4,400 man hours since 2022 in this building from facilities. And so that um is like having one person here 8 hours a day for almost 3 years I think straight. Um fixing and replacing isn't always efficient or cost effective, especially with a building that's 70 years old. Um also, if we renovate, the functionality of this building is still inefficient. Uh first and second floors are open. Still open a lot of lot of air space there. Most of our people work up on the third and fourth floor. Uh creating ADA compliant restrooms will reduce existing office space because to make our current builder bathrooms ADA

060accessible, they're going to have to be bigger, which is then going to go into adjacent office spaces like your office probably. Um, we still have a 70-y old building and again, as we mentioned, this is like one forone renovation with no improvements or changes, which we obviously have a lot of codes that we have to come up to. Um, also in renovate versus new build, uh, we miss an opportunity to partner with the city county for downtown development. So, this is kind of like a onetime chance for us um to actually get into a new building where that first step can happen immediately and we don't have to purchase land. Um otherwise, we'll have to go off site in the future. Um renovation carries more risk versus new construction. Again, as you get into walls,

061you find stuff. This building's been renovated a lot. There's things that are in places that no one remembers anymore or are aren't on prints that we have anymore. And again, doesn't allow for more usable square. If we build new, it's a better long-term investment with our dollars. When we talk about the schools that we just built, we talk about 75 year buildings. The last few batches of buildings we had didn't last 50 years. Um, so if you build new, you get a chance to do it right and you get a chance to build them efficient and you need to build them to last. Uh, we'll decrease the risk of flooding, allow for more functional and efficient design. Uh, we will have decreased energy costs. Our most energy efficient buildings in the district right now are

062all of our new builds. They're right at the top. And as we save money on energy costs, that's more money that we um keep in the district. Uh it will keep the district administration building downtown. And it will include the family center and um family center and enrollment center, which is the building we have across the street. So it keeps us all into one place. It will create a safer environment for all of our employees. Um again in this I said this is kind of a once in a-lifetime op opportunity because we have the opportunity to build with no land purchase. We simply would start building over here once all the paperwork is signed. We would give this to the group. It's the chess move on move one space. We give this space to the

063city and the county uh to become part of that development. we get the use of of new land for new building um so we don't have to buy land and we would go first in the development at least the way um it was explained by Richmark and some of the other things that uh bullet I had about finding a space for this many people to work for for two to three years um could cost us $3 million first to find a space that we can use for1 150 people and then we have to make that space usable. We have to have our phones. We have to do some things like that to the uh space to make it usable for us. Uh that um on a piece of property that Richmart did recently in town

064cost $3 million just to make it fit and we'll never get it back. So it's part of like almost like you're leasing it. And then um rent for a facility like that is about $180,000 a year which is money we'll never get back. Funding options um for this Dr. Pilch. Thanks Mr. Henson. So um what we would propose is that we use C certificates of participation or COP you will hear them called. Um they work very similar to a mortgage. uh we would use one of our existing buildings as collateral um to issue the coops. Um we would have an annual payment uh that we would make on the coops and typically you would do it somewhere between 20 and 30 years most likely um that we would be paying off that debt. But we

065would um sell our debt just like we did with the with the bond. Um, and this kind of debt is pretty attractive for folks to buy because it's typically tax exempt. Um, which means they're the interests are going to be lower for folks. Um, so it would require us to to budget annually for an annual payment um to to pay the annual fee on the the COP. Um there's also the possibility that in the future this debt could be a part of a future bond issue if the board at that time decided you know they wanted wanted to do that. So it's um there there is some risk in that we have to have an annual payment and we would need to budget for that every year and um we as we look at the

066different options um we would not go to voters and ask for them to pass a bond for a district office. That just doesn't seem appropriate when we still have schools that need replaced and schools that need additions. Um, I think that needs to be the priority for a future bond issue rather than the district office. And, um, as you'll see here in a minute with some of the pictures Lisa has, this building is in in really, um, terrible condition. Today, uh, we did not have boilers functioning and most offices and and most offices and conference rooms were over 80 degrees today. We did get um the equipment working somewhat this afternoon and so we've been able to lower the temperature in here for example by two or three degrees but um it's this degrees right

067now. Yeah, it's very hot but it but it's you know this building is in um really poor condition and is getting harder and harder to repair quite frankly. And so I think if not this board, some board for district 6 is going to be faced with with making a a really difficult decision around what to do about the district office. That's just the reality. Um we we currently um do not have any coops, but we have used coops before. That is how we built the district athletic complex was with coops. So, it's a pretty common way for school districts to to build facilities without going to the voters for an additional bond issue. Um and that's what Megan is proposing. Um, and I concur with her that that would be the way that we would

068go with this. I want to talk for just a moment about the option of um, building new rather than building downtown someday. Um, there is not land downtown for us to build a district facility on. Um, other than if we are part of this trade and we're able to move to the parking lot um, to the east of us and build this building. Um but once this downtown project is complete, there will be no there will be no place to build a building. We would need and to do that we would need to to relocate from this office if we wanted to use this site um you know 150 or so employees to other sites in the community which um we understand from Richmark that that's there just is not space out there and as

069you saw you're looking at about $3 million to repair a space if we did find a space. So, um, we'll we'll walk you through some of the pictures and a little bit of the condition of the building and then we absolutely want to have a more robust conversation with your questions. And you're not you're not making a decision now. Um, I want to be clear about that, too. We don't have the um the agreement worked out with the city and the county yet. They're still working. The city is fully on board and have um voted and and put in writing their full support for the project. the county is still evaluating their finances and is it better for them to stay downtown or better for them to move out to O Street. So that the

070deal is not done yet. Um but we wanted to bring you up to speed so you can begin some conversation um here in the work session and in future work sessions so that when it is time to make a decision on whether or not we participate or not and we take this dead on or not that you're ready to do that. Can I ask um where we are right now in relation to like flooding? If if we were to have another severe rainstorm right now, where are we at with this building? Will it flood again? And you'll have to be facing all those. We talked about it today. I mean, you look walk next time you walk in the front door, notice you're walking down from the curb to get to the front door. Um,

071it's a downhill slope and we can't raise the building off its foundation is about what we need to do. So, starting over, you can build higher in elevation. So, you're higher off the ground that that will prevent that. But, you know, the city's behind in the storm water, even if they fix their storm water, um, if the water gets over the curb, it's going one place and that's into the uh front door. I mean, it's so we're looking at a potential u another big budget, another big ticket item if there is a big rainstorm for this school district. Insurance covered it though. Yeah. Insurance insurance covered most. Did you see the big Surf Pro dryers last year? I did. Yeah. Yeah. That's like an annual occurrence. We don't want to do that. Insurance does cover

072most of it, but it's still like a huge or reimbures us or something, right? Um I don't know if this goes in this part of the conversation, but I think um previous conversations we've had, you've kind of talked about that we're spending roughly a million dollars on repairs, on flooding, on all these in the last three years. We're just that's just work orders. And then um I wondered if you had I think you had an estimation of what our payment would be for those coops and they seemed pretty comparable. I believe. Yeah. Uh we think the payment would be around 3 million annually. Uh we don't know until we engage um the bond holder and we work more closely on this. We think around 3 million annually, which if um um you know, if you

073think of the size of our budget, that's those are real dollars, but they're certainly not that's certainly not an insurmountable number. I think um if the county decides to stay downtown like the timing of the three projects, I would think that that's what would um create even more urgency, you know, to be in line with the timeline that the city and the county have if the county decides to that's where they've assured not assured I'm saying nothing's assured, but we are in phase one like step one of that project in the plan. So, it just means we can go first. We can go on to vacant land and start, which would be You might have to check with Megan, but I was wondering if if we as a board donated our salaries, would that help

074us get us there? I was going to ask large. Yeah. One word I thought of, Dr. P, when you're explaining this that we have not used is the word obsolete. Um, you know, if you look at our heating and cooling, it's obsolete and so you can't just fix it. You can't replace it efficiently by the way the building's set up. So, I mean, obsolete means when you take it out, you have to take out all the duct work. I mean, you're basically looking at stripping this to to concrete and starting over, which is a a huge co huge cost. But you were saying if we don't utilize this phase one and start building on that new property that we would not have a chance later, do they have a secondary plan where somebody is going

075to take that quad if we don't utilize it? That I don't know. They sure have it filled from what I've seen in the plan for this area over here. Well, that and that lot is not just the district 6 building. It's it is um the new city building and parking garage. um a parking garage is also possibly part of retail, maybe a um a boutique hotel as part of the area. So my guess is the uh that I I don't know the land would be available or not. I don't know in the future. I don't know. And I'll say you saw a cost on here estimated cost of $515 a square foot. We be we built Gley West for just over 400. So cost is continuing to go up a square foot. Yeah. So, the

076costs are Let's show you some of the condition of the building. So, we um we're just going to highlight some of the things that we found in the building that are kind of the the six or seven figure repairs that would be required. So, really the the highle ones. Um I think the first thing that's worth noting is that the one system in this building that is in good condition is the structural system. There is not structural failure. This building is not in any danger of falling down. So, I think it's worth noting that. Um, so side drainage, we've talked a lot about that. Um, grade where the the things the the grade does slope down into the building and and a lot of other challenges are that a lot of the roof drainage is

077piped directly into the storm system um that is owned by the city and it's just outdated and it's undersized. And so there are things that we would need from the city um to improve their utilities to be able to capture the rainwater properly um to prevent that flooding. So basically, it's just that in a big storm event, all of the storm pipes fill up and they can't manage all the water and get it distributed quickly enough so it it backs up and so it can start to back up. And so storm inlets on the site that would normally drain the water away will just start to back up and pond and then that is what's kind of forcing the water into the building. We just can't kind of get it away quickly enough. Um the

078roof is at its end of its life. It's kind of it's stuck to the insulation, but it's de that it's taking the top layer of the insulation off and delaminating. So, it's kind of creating these ponding events. We're not able to fully drain the roof correctly. There's missing roof drains. Um, so this would need to be fully replaced to to what the district standards are that you're putting in all of your new schools. Last summer when we walked the building, the member in a windy day, the membrane was actually flapping in the wind. Uh, so we did get that repaired because we want to keep this dry. Um, so while it may not be actively leaking, there is other infiltration that's happening as a result of that. Um, all of the windows are single pane

079aluminum. You have these interesting window projections that are made of mosaic tile, which back in the 70s was probably pretty cool, but there's no drainage out of them. The tiles are all popping. So these are all just things that are um allowing water to enter into the building. Um, so Ephus, that's really your exterior stucco system. Not only are there just holes in it from other systems that were added, removed, it's cracking a lot throughout the around the whole building. So, this is allowing water infiltration, um, air infiltration. So, you're not really you don't have a really solid envelope that's helping to keep your heat in or keep your heat out, uh, depending on the season. We we had all the woodpecker holes filled a year ago in their back. Woodpeckers love the sighting of

080this building. And there there is not really a way to to repair this properly at this point. You would need to rip all of that that system off and replace the whole thing. And that was what we had estimated. Then is that how the bats get in also? Well, bats. Well, bats, right? Is that how they get in? Seriously, they can get in a teeny tiny cracker. Even their window or someone has their window open. A window shot. What's the plan with this building then? If you were to move and vacate this building, what happens? Demolition. It gets demoed and this becomes a parking lot. Okay. For downtown. Yeah. Um the the planting beds, um there's nothing really structurally wrong with them, but um we know that it's kind of a nuisance. you have uh

081some trouble with um some of your uh so the homeless population will sleep in them and so it it becomes a safety and security issue having those around the the perimeter of the building. So the the boilers for this building are steam and they are some of them are original to the 50s building some are from the 70s. Uh life expectancy of a boiler is about 35 years. So they are at the end of their life. We are recommending a new system that would have no steam in it at all. It would all be hot water, which is a much more efficient way to to heat buildings. So, we want to replace all of those. Similarly, you have a lot of air handling systems. So, you have the boilers that um heat your water. Then,

082you have your air handling, which is distributing the air throughout the building. These are there are several that are original to the 50s um construction that are in here. So, they're just not able to to do the work that they need to in an efficient manner and and create good indoor environmental quality. Same thing with the water pumps, piping replacement, getting rid of steam. It's just a system that you just don't need anymore. It would be one less thing to maintain. Um here's an image. So the pneumatic controls, this is just a very outdated way of doing controlling. Um it would be it's kind of like what your thermostat is at home. It helps control when when the systems kick on, when they kick off, um what temperature to maintain, how they sense if temperatures

083are being able to to be maintained. So, we would want to replace that with a a digital system. And this is what we're putting in all of the new buildings, the new schools now. So, that is a very outdated system, and it's probably hard to maintain and find parts for and all of those things. All of that. And it doesn't sense. Very good. Very well. Doesn't sense temperature. The the building is only partially fire sprinklered. Uh for a building of this size, it would need to be fully sprinklered. If you we do any renovation to this building, it is going to trigger the need to put a fire sprinkler system in, which means we're upsizing the size of the pipe that comes in the building. Right now, it's a 4-in pipe. That's not big enough

084to provide all the water needed for a fire sprinkler system. Um, and your fire alarm. This is just an example of one of the fire alarm panels that we found in the building. It just it needs to be a fully replaced system. We also have some, you know, we're you're just kind of putting spaces in where you found spaces, right? We need more um dedicated technology rooms for all of your IT and your security systems. Um and so we've kind of there's some found spaces for those. They're not properly conditioned to keep those spaces cool. Um there's also kind of a million-doll line item for the electrical equipment. We need a new transformer. We need new systems for emergency power if the power goes out of this building, a new generator, things like that. So,

085we did an analysis. We took the um your utility bills from the last year and we can calculate kind of what your energy use intensity is. This is a metric that just kind of that they is a kind of a universal way to to identify how energy efficient buildings are. Um, so this building right now is at about an 80. Um, for comparison, I think Reley West is coming in at a 32. So the higher the number, the less efficient that that the building is. Um, kind of a for an office building of this type, code compliant, we should be in the the high30s to to high 40s um for that for comparison. So this is what you are spending. So we did this analysis. we we wanted to say, okay, if we did some

086of the upgrades that are in this assessment, what can that do to the energy efficiency of this building? So, the first column is kind of just the baseline where we're at the AD EUI. Um, and this is again where we're just kind of looking at we can put it into these calculators and this is how much electricity is used, this is how much natural gas, and then they can it can kind of calculate all these values. So the next column over, if we just improved the envelope, so that would be fixing um this the stucco, replacing the windows, doing the roof, that's going to knock your energy use down from an 80 to almost a 73. So it's not a lot of improvement for an awful lot of cost, and you're going to save $300,000

087over 25 years to do that. So it's that's a very long-term investment. That's a lot of money up front with not a lot of savings. Um the next one we looked at is if we So these are all these are not cumulative either. So now for the second column we're leaving the envelope just as it is and now we're going to replace the mechanical system. Um that significantly improves your um EUI down to about a 58. But um due to the cost of putting that mechanical system in and as Ken mentioned before we would be spending more to replace the system than in a new building. it would to be you would save a million dollars over 25 years of this building which is it's noticeable savings but that's a long time to save a

088million dollars. And then the last one which was an interesting analysis is was just air infiltration. So this is where we're realizing how leaky this building is and how much air is just getting in and out. How much of your air conditioning is just going outside um in the summer months. And so to fully replace this envelope to get it to be at a code level of air infiltration, which is a very small number, which I don't even think is really humanly possible on an existing structure, this is something we would hit with new construction. That gets us to our lowest EUI of about a 43 and again about a $1.7 million savings over 25 years. So yes, you can improve this building. There are you will save in your utility bills by putting the

089money into it. Um, but you're not going to be able to get it to the level of of new construction code compliant. Certainly not to the level of the standards that this district has established for your for your new schools. And we'd be in a much much more efficient um situation with new construction. So that was our evaluation with kind of looking at the the energy code along with the flooding. Do we have mold issues in this building? No. sometimes get work orders to check things and we always come over and do tests um check them but we have not found any. Okay. And then the I'm I'm big into this safety thing right now with this building along with the fire suppression. How is this building rated for evacuation? If there was a fire,

090is this a safe building for the staff? Can they get out easily? I mean obviously the elevators would shut down, right? You have adequate stairs distributed around the building. You do have a working fire alarm system. So a lot of times fire sprinklers, they are for um the emergency personnel. You have fire sprinklers so that they can get in and you're providing safety for your your firefighters. Um and some of it's also for property, you know, saving on property damage. Um, so not having a fire sprinkler system, it's not a great solution, but I would say it has not reduced your ability at this point in time to get out of this building if there was an emergency. Okay. And when the fire alarm goes off, elevators don't work, well, that's what I presume. You

091have to use the stairs, but we don't have um advice. So, if you have a a disabled employee on a higher floor, there are other systems that are in newer construction that are code compliant to be able to put them in a safe place to help get them out of the building safely. And um I don't believe we have any of those in this building. I was wondering um just to put the cost of the building in in context. Um could we be provided maybe with like a list of in the last 20 years um uh con large construction contracts that have cost us $10 million or more. Just to put it in context with other buildings that we've done in 10 million or more. 10 million or more. Yeah. most recently look at any

092of our additions we did um on buildings. Those were $10 million projects plus um you know obviously any of the new builds were right up but just to compare like what else compares to the or I mean 48 million was that the Yeah. Okay. The only problem I see with that depending on the year it's like we saw right and then account for inflation. So do a row where you're accounting for inflation. I don't I don't know that we could provide you that, but I wonder if we could provide you really with what $3 million means to our budget annually. I mean, maybe that's more helpful like what what what do we spend an annually on um what we would call capital improvements or technology improvements or those things to help give you a of

093our mo most expensive school that we did. How much did it cost? That was West. Well, it' be big west because it was the biggest and so how many million but it was not necessarily the most per square foot. So I have that I have all of our projects broken down by square foot. And besides the bond, the only thing we've done is Prairie Heights, right? Which was a bond. Prairie Heights was a best grant. Best grant. But that's in the last 20 years. That's that's all that we've done. So he has what you're looking for, but it's just a recent. No, we really haven't. We have not done a project like this other than when we sold COP's before I got here to build the district athletic complex. So, um, everything else we've done

094has been bond projects. But we can, you know, we can provide for you what the projects were per square foot and you can compare that to this this um in account like we're comparing apples to apples. So we So I guess to give more context, I just got that list for the last 20 years of $5 million contracts or more at USC and it was really informative to see to compare and yes there not every project is the same but just to kind of get an idea for what are these the big ticket items whether they were bond or not bond just I mean none of us are in the the construction business. Well, maybe Kyle a little bit, but to get a comparison for this building cost $30 million. This one's going to cost

09548 million. Like I It's this bond and it's the bond 20 years ago, right? And we have of the nothing out of cap in the last 20 years that's been taken out of the budget. I mean, that's why we were in such dire straits with our uh deferred maintenance. Um because boy there was nothing done until MLLO came and we started investing in roofs and going for best grant matches for roofs. Um and you know roof's a million dollars um you know give or take you know plus in any other projects bigger than that have all been in the bond. weekend would be the biggest project for in our budget in what the last like in ever. No, the the some of the buildings were the bond was far larger, right? The bond outside of

096the bond. So, um yes. Yes. In that in taking on this would be the the largest debt we have taken on outside of the bond issue or the bond issue 20 years ago. Yes. um because we did build district 6 stadium with the same process. So we could maybe find out how much that cost. But I think like Dr. Pil was kind of mentioning where where the payment will come from in the budget is maybe more of the question as to whether we can afford taking on this debt, right? Um, and I think I don't know if you've calculated all of this, but it's $3 million, but we're spending a million dollars to just limp this building along plus the rent for the family center. Um, so I don't think it's really $3 million. It's

09715 $1.5 million or something like that. So anyway, I and I'm not trying to discount your question, but that might be the one that's a little more like nuts and bolts, but Miss Sponsor and Mr. Henson and I can get our heads together and see what we might put together for you all that would just help you to get a a context of the the dollars and in that we can remind you about our operating dollars, our reserve dollars, our state grants and federal grant dollars. We can we can put a one pager together that I think will help you. Yeah, I think I think what you say is we're spending dollars already. Yeah, we got this match, but that we can we won't spend those. So it'll kind of in essence deduct from the

098payment and just you know make it more appealing. And I think when we were discussing the bond I at that point I think it was like well roughly this is what an elementary school costs roughly this is what a middle school cost. So maybe those kind of dollars would be helpful. It's really the square footage um that can be provided to us what a square footage costs and then it just depends how big of a school you want to build. And then I want to remind you that purposefully when we set up the bond projects and you saw that big ugly spreadsheet, we put the largest projects at the front to beat inflation because we knew over 5 years there would be inflation. The only exception was the CTE Jefferson building which came out of

099proceeds that we kind of plopped in the middle. It's really why Mclliff Titon and really West were and Chapel and Chapo were first were all first in the smaller projects. we knew they were going to be the most expensive projects. Um, the other question is not necessarily I mean I think maybe just for a discussion in the future, but just to put it out there. Um, I'm curious with the city um, agreeing to go ahead with the Cascadia project, how that might affect us passing a bond in the future in the next, you know, five years um, and whether that's something we should discuss. um like what basically voters like whether they will feel great about passing a bond um if the city does go through with Cascadia. So we would need to do polling

100to know that answer. I don't think we know that answer um or have a way to know that without actually going out and doing some polling which we would typically do before we would consider a bond issue. Well, they must not be paying for it with a tax because they didn't have to go to the voters. They did big mortgage 49 billion. Yeah. So, the taxpayers aren't fronting the bill. It's going to be paid for through revenue generated at the site. So, it's not it wouldn't really affect our taxpayers thoughts on a a bond because we're going to ask them for, you know, basically allowing us to pull debt with their and pay it with their tax money. So, it's it's kind of a different issue. I don't know if they would even put those

101together in the same Yeah. I think the bigger issue is um when you know that we are really mindful about working with the city of Girley and the city of Evans that we're not both going for a ballot measure on the same ballot that increases taxes. And so we've been really, you know, aware of that and and worked with both the both cities, especially the city of Girly that if, you know, if they're going out to renew their quality of life tax, we don't want that to be the same year we go out to renew our mil levy override, for example. And so, you know, we work closely with the city on those pieces so that we're sensitive about what the voters, you know, are being asked in one ballot. So regardless of whether we

102um build a new building with RichArk or replace this building for 36 million, we'd be going after COPS. Unless Unless we go for a B, you know, go to the voters and ask for a bond issue for that, which I don't I don't see as a favorable way to do this. Yeah. Not at this time, at least. Yeah. Well, in the city county project is is time. What many school districts have done if they don't go for coops, they use their bond proceeds. So, the district I was in prior to this one used their bond proceeds to replace the district administration building and the centralized kitchen. Windsor right now is um doing a significant renovation rebuild of their district office and they're using bond proceeds to do that in Windsor. So that's that is not

103unusual, but we felt like there was still so much that we needed to catch up on this on this bond that we built the current tech ed center instead and we built additional classrooms at Martinez and um did more work at reduced portables. Yeah, we got rid of more portables, you know, adding more classrooms at MER. So that's how we used our proceeds um from this last bond and I I think that was a good decision. So timelinewise, if we are not looking at a bond, when do you see all this coming to fruition if the county chooses not to relocate or chooses not to stay here? Well, I think what we have been told by the city and the county both are that this is still an option for us even if the county

104does go to O Street that the county is still willing to work with us on a you know the land and um and the city is still willing to work with us on a downtown project but I think the project begins to look very different and I think um it's a bigger conversation the county is not here because that's fewer people downtown so does district 6 stay downtown. Um, we've been very committed to staying downtown and and being here so we can be a teammate with the businesses downtown and have our employees accessing the businesses downtown and the restaurants downtown and the coffee shops. And so that's been a big commitment of ours. I mean, we have, you know, we have land out at Twiton Academy where would where a district office would fit. it

105is not um as desirable to be on the west our furthest west boundary for a district office in my opinion and so I I think we wait you the county is supposed to have um a recommendation in June on on what they're planning to do um they're they are doing they were completing yet another study to to make sure they really understand the cost of staying downtown or to moving to O street um their project is very significant far larger than our project um with a new justice center and with new court court h court courtrooms in there and so they it's a big project for the the county um so I suspect that that will begin to get worked out over the summer and that we may be coming back to you at some

106time in the fall to consider um this possibility and and really It is, it really will be a board of education decision. I mean, we um, of course, staff and I will make a recommendation once we see where the city and the county land. Um, one way or the other, we'll make a recommendation, but it will be a board decision. Um, it's, you know, we're we're making a decision not only for the current board, but for future boards here in District 6, just as you do when you go for a bond issue, um, or a mill levy override. And so we'll need, you know, we will need significant conversation, I would guess, coming back at this in in August and September. But as I say, there are four options then. one to continue as we've

107been doing, spending a million dollars, whatever it is here and there to try to fix a building which is crumbling. Well, not crumbling but falling apart or to spend $23 million in repairs, $36 million to replace or 48 million to participate with the rich mark. That's kind of those are the options that are laid out. Yeah. And the 36 million really becomes closer to the 48 million because in that number we're not including architect design um purchase of land paying for fees rent for the building if we decide to rebuild right here rent where we would go. So, it's really um three options with the the rebuild option being do you do it downtown or somewhere else if that makes I think the dollars are going to be pretty close to the same. Megan was

108nodding her head at me hearing them go. Yeah. We just want to be careful that that cost estimate is like this new. We haven't gone through any design yet, right? Estimated how much square foot do you think you need? But you know, how many employees do you have? What are you know how many how many offices do you need? You know, how many you know stuff like that has not been designed and how big does cost, right? Yeah. How many? Those are good questions. Are there any additional questions? Lot to to mole over and um reach out to Dr. Pil or Mr. Hunson with any additional questions. Thank you for being here. Thank you. We'll try to put something together in terms of trying to provide a, you know, more context around construction and dollars

109and funds. Sounds good. Thank you. All right, we're a little past our time, so we will go ahead and debrief the work session. Mr. Rosari, just first. Well, uh, first of all, thanks again to Nate F. I do agree with President Mash that the uh that the format that you pre present to us each board means is really great to have. And um uh thanks again to Kent and our our architect. She's back here right for um for the support of the school district. A lot to think about and I look forward to more information as we keep going. Thanks. Uh, yeah. Thank you, uh, Nate for keeping us well informed and Ann Barkcus is at our lobbyist. Make sure to thank her for her work um, in Denver. I'm really happy to see the

110Kids Matter Trust in um, that that went through. So, and yeah, lots lots to chew over. Um, it it just went from 77 to 78 degrees. we're living, you know, the um we're feeling the the fact that this building is almost 70 years old. So, thank you for that update. Yeah, not much to add. Thank you for the update and answering our questions. So, it's much appreciated. Ditto, it's nice to hear from Kent and Nate as always. Yeah. Um thank you very much for the updates. I I am very excited about um working with the city and the county. I'm enormous supporter and and fan of downtown and if we can be even a small pawn, you can you can still win a trust match with pawn. But um feel very honored that we have

111been asked to be a part of that um that project. So um all right, this meeting is now adjourned. We will have a break and see you back at the business meeting at 6:00 p.m. [Music]