001Stand al to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Uh the mission of Sunny Brook School District 171 is to maximize student achievement by cultivating critical thinking skills, innovative instructional practices, and a collaborative school, home, and community partnership. Roll call. >> Mour >> here. [snorts] >> Thompson >> present. >> Ambrose >> present. >> Bur present. Smith >> here. >> Present. And >> present. Okay, we're at item F. Recommend a motion to approve the regular board of education meeting minutes of October 20th, 2025, close session minutes of October 20th, 2025, November expenses, and October payroll in the amount of 1,851,5465 as present. >> Motion second. >> Motion by Stewart, second by Ambrose. Stewart, >> yes. >>
002Ambrose, >> yes. Thompson, >> yes. >> BS, yes. Smith, >> yes. >> Motion pass. >> We're at item G, communications. >> There's nothing. All right. We are at item H,formational items. Anybody have anything? >> No. Uh, eye board reports. >> So, tonight So tonight, [clears throat] Dr. Lo and Dr. and myself, we're going to do a collaboration. We're going to report out on the I scores. But first and foremost, my favorite time of the year is here, December 3rd, Gingerbread House, 3:15, 5:15 at Heritage Middle School. I also want to give kudos to our our community as a whole. Parent teacher accompllices were last week and they were really well attended. Um probably one of the best attendance I've seen over the past 20 years that I've been in district. So I'm very pleased for
003that. I know that we roll standard based grading out and it appears to be well received by our community and that I'm grateful for. So, can we have Mr. Strader present first and then be represent? >> Yeah, that's right. So, Mr. Sher, uh, chief school business. >> Well, if while Dr. McGowan is doing that. Uh, good evening everybody and um, very very happy you were able to get tickets before they sold out to the 2025 levy presentation. So happy to see you here. So um, with that, thank you Dr. Mike. Um, so um, here we are on our journey uh, that started back in August for the budget and levy cycle. Um, we are now in November where we adopt the levy and the levy resolutions that go along with that. And even though there's
004an item there for December, all that means is that yours truly needs to file the levy with the uh state and county um before the last Tuesday in December. But I like to do that right away because that's not something you want to forget. So um so this uh again you know we're at the end of this budget and life levy cycle. So um in order to kind of understand what we're what's going on here you just three years of financial data you can kind of see as mentioned in this budget presentation we are cash basis. So it's not unusual you have a big expense one year or you have a bond proceeds in one one year and then the expenses come the following year. So what you see is a fluctuation. You have a
005beginning fund balance in in the beginning of 2023 of a little over 15 million. Um and then it went down in 2024. Um down again in 2025. Then we had the bond proceeds. Um and so we finished up with um just under 21. Um but then this summer's all the summer construction projects that you see going on um those bills are coming due. You're seeing those every month. And so [clears throat] we're projecting with the revenues and budget for this year, we should end up um kind of finishing up with 177 as a cash fund balance. Uh that would cover all the funds and that's just a little bit under a year of expenditures. So um healthy fund balance but reasonable. Um given everything, I think it's uh it's about right where we want to
006be. So the what what is the levy exactly? Well, the levy is is a request. Um, once you've done the once you've adopted the budget, the levy, as we talked about in revenues, um, revenues for the district come from the form of property taxes, as you see there, um, that's what was budgeted. Um, just a little over 8 million, which is almost 40% of the revenue budget. And then other local, but they're really not local. It's more um state corporate personal property replacement tax, federal e-ate money. Um so interest that we earn on any of our um our cash fund balances. Um so that accounts for 3%. The state's evidence-based funding um accounts for 45% for us. And then the categorical grants from the state transportation, special education, and any other state grants, breakfast program,
007and such is about 5% of our budget. And then the federal grants, titles one through four. Um ESRE's on there. I probably could take that out. That's no longer um we talked about that in the budget, but um ESER used to be funded from the federal government, but that was just temporary. And then IDA for special education uh accounts for about 4% of our budget. And then any other federal programs such as, you know, the food program, Medicaid, and so forth. Again, 4% of our budget bond proceeds. We have none budgeted for this year, and we were, you know, looking to keep it that way. So, what the levy is asking for is for the property tax um owners in in business and residential in Lancing and Lynwood that fall within the district boundaries um
008to say, "Okay, hey, you know, we've done the budget and here's the levy requesting the money. So, when you ask for a levy, um you it's just you're asking for um think about um you know, when your your child wants to go to the movies and and they want a whole bunch of popcorn or you know, they ask for more and they know they're not going to get it, but they just they end up with what they're going to get. So, the similar kind of thing here is um you have what's a levy. Um it's based on the equalized assessed value of all the properties in our district boundaries. Um so you see the trend going back the last five years where that's gone, you know, from 2020 and then it went down in 21.
009Um went down again in 2022. Um as everyone knows, it was a readjustment by the um uh county for reassessing property values. Um and then so you see that reflected um kind of bouncing around in the low twos there for 20 for the last three years. And then so their levy is what you again ask for and then the levy amount or the extension is what you actually receive. And so um you can see the requested levy amount um going back to 2020. And it just kind of goes up incrementally over the years. And we are you know on that same just basically same pattern for year after year for requests money as as salaries and benefits and all the costs of doing business with a school district go up. And then of course and
010we ask for additional dollars as well. Um so you can see the um levy extended. So um the uh the amounts that are in that fourth column and then what is that percent increase from the prior year? Well, if you notice there the increase from the prior year is always based on the uh prior year's extension plus any new property. Um there's not a whole lot of new growth, you know, within our district boundary. So the percent increase from the prior year of our levy dollars really kind of stays the same very much tied closely with CPI. Um we are not allowed to um get more than CPI for existing property. New property is a whole other thing. Um so so we get CPI which this year is 2.9%. Um, if you ever have or
011request more than 5% of the previous year's tax extension, you have to do a truth and taxation hearing. Um, but that has never been the case in my 10 years here, and that is not the case this year. So, we did not have a truth in taxation hearing because the amount requested is less than 5% uh from from last year's extension. So, the question then becomes, okay, um, Sunny Brookke, where's this money going? Uh naturally um most of it goes to the education fund and um which is direct instruction um teacher salary benefits and and all the things that the materials and activities and then the rest go for building transportation and all those other categories that we've talked about over in the budget for the $ 8.7 million levy that is being asked. And
012then debt service um is pretty much been the same every year. Um and that is separate from the tax levy there as part of the state law for the levy presentation and we've always done this anyway. Um I take we've always taken pride in Sunny Brook very transparent with the finances with the community members that support us. So the fund balances is you know what are the fund balances in the levy presentation? Well, here they are, but again, we've always presented this. So, um, the fund balances are, you see what they were in the beginning of this school year, and then you see our budgeted and protected amounts, and you end up back on the bottom right hand corner with the total fund balance roughly a little over 17.7 million. Again, just a little bit
013less than a year's worth of expenses. Um, and the reason uh you want to have a little bit in fund reserves is, you know, you never know the uh collection of property taxes. Um, as you guys have probably seen in the papers, there's sometimes delays where they put it off another month or two months or three months or uh, you know, god forbid a another, you know, pandemic or some some um, ex extraordinary events could happen. So you always want to have healthy fund balance to get you through um troubled times, but of course you don't want too much excess fund balance. Um so it's a good finding the right proper balance. And hopefully you you agree that this were at a good balance here. So, what you see here is um the certificate of
014tax levy is the document that will be filed with the county um along with there's several resolutions that you see uh on the board motion um such as the cost reduction factor. That means okay, we're asking for the amount that we're asking for 8.7. If we aren't able to get it all, how how do we reduce it among the funds? Basically, you take most of it out of the education fund because that's where most of the money goes. Um, and then it also asks index certific truth and taxation hearing. That's one of the documents you approve. Um, cost of cost resolution. You know, about 6% of tax revenue was not collected every year. So, we'll probably adjust for that. So, those are some of the supporting documents that go with the certificate of tax levy.
015But with your approval tonight, um the certificate of tax levy um will be again asking the taxpayers for this funding. It will be filed with the county and um like I said filed not the last week of December but almost so hopefully by the end of this week we will have this all all done and taken care of. So um I don't think enough could be said. you see the the school the the the buildings, the facilities, the staff that we have. There's no way I don't think that any of us and the school board, administrative or school community can thank the residents and the businesses enough for their support of Sunny Brook School District 171. I believe that we have a lot of great things going on in the school district and um I'm
016so grateful for their support um especially on a day like today uh for the the love presentation. So just want to say thank you to everybody and with that um as always if you have any questions I would be more than happy to answer them. And um thank you. Dr. Eric House and Dr. Loy Orange Strand and assistant superintendent So tonight we're going to present to the community as a whole [clears throat] the results of our um students state assessment. We always start with the equity continuum journey. And if you notice, we always if you're new to this, we always show those two pictures because the first part of this is not about the scores. First part of this is exactly what is the equity um what is the continuum services that we offer. But
017more important, I need you to understand what that is. We're trying to make sure that all the students in the district are given the same opportunity whether they have English as a second language, a disability, whether we are 72% population Africanamean, we're 20% Hispanic, and what about the other 70%. So the state always asks us, what do we do to make sure all of our students are on the same court? That may not making everything equal. So some things have to shift. And so that's what the first part of this presentation talks about. >> So there's three areas that that we get scored on when it comes to the continuum. Um it's student learning, the learning conditions, and elevating educators, which you'll see the breakdown as we go through the presentation. And how this is
018scored. And again, keep in mind when we're looking at the next handful of slides, we're looking at gaps, not scores. Okay? So, this isn't proficiency. This isn't growth. This is if we have gaps or do not have gaps. And this is the rating scale one through four. And just know it's all mathematically based. So, it is actually it is possible to go higher than four um because you are going to see a couple scores that are on there. So how we did overall for student learning we actually did increase um so we are approaching that four um in our student learning with our learning conditions we did go down just a smidge uh but we start still are in that three which means minimal gaps um and then our elevating educators were at 3.9 we
019did not go up or down from last year. So looking at our breakdown starting at first. >> So the very first one is the 1.0 and that is for kindergarten readiness. So let me explain to you what the kindergarten readiness is. When our kindergarten students enter school in August, we have per state speculations. We have 40 days to assess them. We assess do they know their colors? Can they count? Do they know their letters? Just a variety of things. Keep in mind, all of our students do not attend preschool. Some for some of them, kindergarten is their first experience. So, we have a 1.0. That does seem low. I would agree with you, but know this. We assess the kids in the beginning of the school year and then we have to assess them again
020at the end of the school year. But by the time the students take the IAR and all the I AR data is in the kids are not assessed the second time. So this is what we first assess them as when they enter our doors in August. So that's probably going to consistently stay a one. If you ever go back and take a look at our past presentations, they were ones as well. So the the next ones are so the next one is our I and again when we're talking about this this isn't how we did on a this is saying how did our students do with those subgroups being between the demographics um and special populations having a 3.8 means our students are performing equitably across >> with that 3.8 A those are also for
021our students who attend school out of district as well. We have a total population a little bit over a thousand students. We do not physically have a thousand who attend classes here within NY Health and Heritage. Well, all of Sunny Brook student scores, whether you take the IR or there is an abbreviated version of the IR called DMM, which some of our special needs students take, all of their scores are calculated within that 3.8. And I think that's important for people to understand because I'm not sure if our community always understands that kids who don't physically attend our schools, if their scores impact us, they do. Um and there are other ones uh the key one you know our EL progress to proficiency which you will see again when we actually talk about the school
022report card but again we are moving our students out of ELLL by passing them through uh their access testing and then with 8th grade uh enrolled in algebra and passing algebra 1. Again, this time we are looking at are we equitably putting our subgroups and things like that through our algebra program and at a four we that means any student is eligible uh no matter subgroup or special population. Next going into our learning conditions, the main focus here is looking at student attendance, um, expulsion rates, out of school suspensions, in school suspensions. And again, as we said, we mathematically you can kind of get over four, um, which shows we are not with all these even though the out of school suspension is the 3.1. What this is all saying is we are not disproportionately
023con having any negative consequences to our students or positive consequences based on subgroup or demographic. >> In we're not suspending one ethnic ethnic group over another. So race is not a factor. >> Now this one with our learning conditions. This is one that we know we have room to grow as a community and I and I want to stress that community piece here because as you can see this is actually how is our our participation rate in the five essential survey that we do every year. Our student response rate we pride ourselves in keeping that four. Uh we are monitoring to make sure our students do take that and that's fourth through 8th grade. Um our teacher response rate has actually gone up a little bit. You're going to see some numbers again because that
024is a a factor in our school report card. But our biggest area for growth here is our parent response rate. We always have been near that minimum of where the state needs us to be able to report data. >> We currently have 756 families in our district. To get a score on the state report card for both for Nath or HMS, you have to have 20% of the population. So you're looking at essence we're we're getting about 140 families to take the five essential survey. We have 700 despite the email. So we we are asking our community please help us. Your input is very valuable because when you look at this you see the 1.0 you would think that no one's taking it. Yeah. We have 140 families that's doing it. But the problem that
025we also have is that families, if you have a student at Nathan Hill and you have student at Heritage, you have to do it twice. One for Nathan Hill, one for Heritage. And we often hear push back from some of our families [clears throat] who only who only want to take it one time. I understand that. I respect that. But again, we beg you to please do it for both because when you go when you start going through this, I'm not quite sure if it's fair to the Sunny Brook community as a whole if you have 756 parents and only 140 of them answered >> which does lead into our other learning conditions. So these are clumps of questions. So for most of you, I think all of you at some point have taken the
026five essential survey. um that all okay um there it's basically a handful of questions fall into all these different buckets. So how we're sort out so parent involvement um involve family you can see here that we've got some room to grow um we are doing a lot as a district uh to make sure our parents are involved but the reality of it is this is some of the feedback we're getting through that five essential survey um I will say that influence on decisions that score has gone up uh that was kind of sitting at that 1.5 I think it was uh 1.2 to a couple years before, but we are seeing an increase in that specifically in this group. But again, the more people who take the survey, we think we will see an increase
027in the scores and then elevating our educators. Um, basically you see here we're excelling in several of these areas, the teachers out of field, teacher experience, and teacher evaluations. even know that when that the educators and student demographics that basically means if you were to walk around the building does our faculty match the demographics of our students that number has increased over the years. We are taking the steps to [clears throat] make and have our faculty match the demographics of our students. Um and again that number was lower in the past and we have each year seen that increase. So, any questions on the equity journey? >> I have one two questions. Um, I know you mentioned what's the name of the survey again? >> The five essentials. The five essentials. Um, [clears throat] >>
028is there any way if a family does have multiple children in the household that that can be combined so they don't have to say multiple? Do we create the >> No, the state creates it. The state gives us links. So, they have to do. >> Okay. My other question, we're I saw the numbers below for the community engagement. Um, just as a suggestion or an idea, have we ever sent text eblast out or messages to kind of keep the community engaged and how was that received? If you look on our parents square and what we communicate how many pe we have a lot of parent engagement when they come to like I just said they came to parentage conferences they come to family literacy night so we we have parent you know there's always room
029for always room for improvement on that level but we do do massive blast telephone calls we do communicate with parents all the time to keep them informed of what's going on. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I do have a question as well. Um regarding the kindergarten readiness, uh you mentioned um kind of consistently stay at one um and I know we do have preschoolers. Is there any plans to expand the preschool program before students can attend? >> Okay. So, let me explain explain the type of preschool program we have. I know it's called preschool for all. is called preschool for all. Technically speaking though, however, the state has given us guidelines so people have to meet certain qualifications to enter into the program. So if you're asking me, do we have plans to do a
030regular preschool? No, not at that time. Not at this time because I'm not quite sure what that funding will look like. But the preschool for all. So we have two preschools. We have an early childhood special education program. That's for three to five year olds. You also have with the preschool for all for three to five year olds. But again, it's it's all based upon [clears throat] it's a rule. >> It's it's a it's a set criteria, a very specific one that we have to answer to the state. So I don't really know to answer your question, Mr. Burks. But we do have a preschool. It's limited. I really can't tell you that in the future Sunny Brook will ever have one that you would think of like at Tiny Tox because those are not
031state state groups that we work within. >> Okay. So, now we're going to jump over to the actual uh school report card that we every year the state releases. It's just a couple reminders. So, this is the breakdown of how we're ultimately scored at the end. um 75% of the score is based on academics uh where 25% is the school quality and student success. So you can see the breakdown there of now even all the subcategories for example ELA math uh ELA and math growth equals 50% of the score the total score of the total pi uh of the final calculations uh proficiencies another 15% all the way through you can see the different breakdowns there are the three categories uh for those you've seen the presentation in the past uh the three stuff those
032categories were supposed to be added this year by the state um the state did not add those. Um it's still a future pending. Um so I did keep them included in there in case anybody goes, "Hey, what happened to those three categories um that the state was supposed to have?" So you will see as we go through how this is all broken up. Okay. So we're going to do this school by school. So we are judged on we are assessed on two things. Our proficiency and our growth. If you take a look, you you're going to see where we compare as a school, as a district, and on the state level. ELA has always been a strong suit for us. Red is an area that we need to work on. Yellow is our kids that
033are on the cusp. The two different shades of green means they've met expectations or they have excelled. Students who are assessed in this area are grades three and four. This is but you have to remember we still have to set the foundation K to two. Even though they are testing in third and fourth, K2 is a very solid foundation. And if you see we have work to do. We do have very much so work to do in this area. >> So we now the only thing I do want to put a preference on for those you've seen our presentations in the past where we normally can compare yeartoear. The state did change the cut scores this year. So that's why you're not seeing a year-to-year comparison. >> Well, our chime data will be lacking probably
034for the next couple years because the state is in influx right now if they change the cut scores, but they're still also working on how the report card is going to be presented. As Miss Dr. McDow had showed earlier, they were supposed to add those other three indicators and they still haven't added them. So, we're still waiting on that, too. But with this, what we determined at Nathan Hale is that we knew this based on our star data that we were going to need some uh some things put into place to address some of the gaps and the discrepancies we were seeing. So, Mr. Kent and his wonderful staff sat down and put together the reading program, which we talked about last year. So far, so so far so good. We're seeing definitely gains. Are
035they the gains to take us out of the red to the orange? Yes. But are they taking us from the orange to the green? Not yet. But we're still continuing that into this year. So, we started it last year and they they did it all the way through May. Then we picked it up again when we did our enrichment in summer and then we did it again in Jumpstart and we're continuing it again in our win program. Uh Mr. Kemp, Mrs. Camprick and I will be meeting tomorrow to discuss what we're going to be doing for the second half of the year and whether or not we're going to continue this after we're looking at data that we show from our students. >> This is Go ahead. >> This is our ELA proficiency for our
036Heritage students. And if you see, Heritage is on mark with everything. They are actually um above the state average when it comes to proficiency in ELA for the school, which is wonderful. The state average is 40 uh 41% and Heritage is I'm going to round up is 45%. So, we're we're doing very well when it comes to our ELA proficiency here in comparison to the state and then obviously with the district. Then we move into our ELA growth. As I stated before, we already knew this going into this year and actually towards the end of last year, which is why we started to put those programs together. We know we have work to do. The one thing I do want to stress when it comes to the area of growth within the state is that
037it's not growth from student to student. So Lori took takes the test. It's not my growth from year to year. It's how Lori scored in comparison to every other student in the state that got that same score. And then someone sets the low, someone sets the high. So it's really not necessarily individual person growth. It's growth based upon how others perform in the state. And again, as you can see, heritage is ELA growth is 60.5% 61% and the states is 50%. So, Heritage is definitely making the growth and the proficiency in ELA that we want to see as we are scoring higher than the state average. As we go into math proficiency, we already know this because that's why we asked if we could kindly have an instructional coach to assist us in math. We
038have some work to do in our math scores and they they just speak for themselves. We are working adamantly to try to put that together as Mr. Kent and his team and myself are working to put together a math program similar to what we're doing in reading to address the discrepancies that we're seeing in math as well as the same we will be doing over here with HMH. They are doing better than they're doing better but we still have work that we need to do also. And the same thing applies for our math growth as we stated for ELA. Again, we are working hard to put a program in together to start this January to do the same thing that we did for reading across the street. And again, with our math growth, we are
039in comparison with heritage pretty close to what the state is doing. So, in in essence, we know we have work to do and make it here. Heritage, we're still trying to move them from good to great. We're consistent, but we do recognize that we have work to do and we have put things in place. We are working on things collectively as a whole with our whole staff at Nathan Hill and Heritage. And we can discuss that at a later time and date, but we are putting things in place to help our students from from kindergarten all the way to 8th grade. But we have to be doing something. Our teachers are not magic. Fifth, sixth, seven, eighth grade. I know they're phenomenal, Miss Camprick. I think if teachers are but somewhere down the line the
040foundation is being laid for them because they we are doing well at the middle school >> and with their science proficiency if you notice as a as a whole we are working hard to improve that score. Um, one of the deficiencies that we have is just the fact that, and you know this because you just helped us to adopt our new science curriculum, is that for quite some years, at least 10, possibly 12, the district did not have a an official curriculum that they used in the elementary school. So, they were coming here and it was solely just relying on our middle school teachers to put that foundation in there. And last year was our first year with our new science resource um that we embedded. And so we're hoping to see that growth as
041they come in. The science test itself only is tested in fifth and eighth grade and then again in 11th grade. Um so Heritage or Nathan Hale won't see a score. It's just HMA purchase. Then we have our ELA. We don't have enough students to have a score per school. So that is redact or I'm sorry ELLL students. So that's redacted. But we do have enough students to have a district score. This has to do as M. Dr. McGowan had stated earlier about the number of students that we're testing out of our ELLL program. Obviously, we want to see more of our students testing out because that's what the state wants us to do. But based upon that, the state average of testing students out and adequate time is at 7% and we are at 8%.
042So, we are above the state norm still. We can work on making it making testing a little bit better, but we are definitely doing good. So one thing we have to do is get our kids in school. So if you take a look at 2022, we had a high acetone is only I'm not going to say I'm very proud of the 19% but it's a far cry from the 36% that we hit. So we are making gains. We've heard Miss Green talk about the absenteeism programs and and what we doing, but I also need people to understand when you start talking about absenteeism, that doesn't necessarily equate to a student not being in school. We have students sometimes who for whatever reason school starts at 7:45 to show up at 9:30. And if you do
043that consistently, those times add up and it equates to a whole day. And that's how we have to report it to the state. So, we are looking at and we are currently working with multitude of parents and students to try to help them get to school on time, but we're making steps, small steps, but we're getting there. Nathan Hillism is different than HMS's. Nathan Hill is typically because mom didn't bring them to school. HMS is because my students just don't always come to school in a timely fashion, but they do get here. I mean, they never miss a day for house day. So, we're trying to figure out how we can make house day and that kind of motivation a everyday thing. But again, if you notice, if you take a look at the little
044grid that's there on the chart, you can see we're making growth in that area as well. This goes back to the five essential survey that we we spoke about earlier. You can take a look at when it talks about HMS. We we we excel there. The staff there takes the five central surveys. No problem. Nathan Hill, we have 66%. State would like us to be like a 75%. So, we got some work to do over at Nathan Hill. But we are grateful for those who did take it and we look forward to watching and waiting to see if war take it for us next year or this year. >> Okay. So with all that said, so we have all these subcategories of the data that drives our final score for the state. So how does
045this all break down? When they compile all of our scores, you can fall into these five buckets. Okay. So, basically the key ones being the top 10% in the state. Um, commendable, which is the bulk. Um, targeted, which you can still be in that good range, but you have a subgroup um that is in the bottom 5% of schools. Um, comprehensive is that bottom 5% place you really don't want to be hanging out. Um, and intensive is a new category. Um, but again, that's multiple years. And you can see the cut scores. That cut score has kind of shrunk um towards the middle a little bit. Um 81.99 actually is a lower um score than last year, but that 38.71 did go up. So how did we score? So this is where we are for
046each building. Um this if you actually do if you take a look at the math, this is about dead center of the state when it comes to commendable, which is great. which means we're doing we've hit our adequate progress throughout the year in all of our subcategory or in all the categories and we have no subcategories that are in that deeper deficiency which is would put us on targeted which we do not want to be at. Um so we did come out as commendable uh per the state on school report. So we we do know we have work to do and we are diligently doing that work. So we have we have a new curriculum in math and a new curriculum in science. You know you have your ups and your downs with new curriculums
047getting people trained having them buy into the systems. So we're working on that and again we are grateful to the school board for allowing us to secure a math coach who's very first in the math curriculum because she used to work for the math company. We're looking at new ways of how to move some of our staff around to um help support other staff members who may not feel so secure in in the content area. We're doing standard based grading for K5. Kudos to Mr. Kent and Dr. Vos for all the hard work they put into that. Um, believe it or not, they made me buy into the standard base grading um, mindset and it appears to be working. And I'm so grateful. We have a a solid core parents at NPL who's made all
048we had about nine meetings, emails, and they made every single meeting. So proud of them, but I'm also proud of their input. And that's why I can speak so candidly about the parent teacher conference because we put signs up in the hallways and we were able to show parents and talk to them about where their students fall at on that chart progress. But I'm also very proud of the standard based screen of where we at right now because I am of the belief and my team is of the belief that it helps us build and establish a homeschool collaboration with our families. A lot of times we always constantly get with the parents, how do I help my child? What do I need to do? Okay, well now the standard based report card spells it
049out. It also assists our staff because one of the things that we found out is that our students weren't doing the very best especially in the area of math because the teachers didn't get to the content that was on the test. So sometimes when our students was actually um they were seeing for the very first time a specific content matter when they got the test that's not a good look and you can't think our students are going to do well in something that we didn't instruct them on. So with the standard based green we've also started to take a deeper dive into our curriculum maps and making them crosscurricular and what we can do just to infuse the whole day more. And kudos to Mr. Ken for listening to me and buying into my over
050the topness because I can be over the top. So, we've got science days going on. We have math days. And last year, we had fathers come out, which I need to talk to you about, Mr. B, cuz our fathers was super super they were super cute, super handsome about how they felt about math night. But what it what it did was it showed I think our students a lot of times are so used to mom to moms always saying, "Oh, let me do this. Let me do that." Just to see the look on our kids faces last year when the dads were helping us do the math. It was just very touching and just very nice to see. So we're hoping to do that again this year. And then we have a you know we
051have a new seal curriculum over at Nathan Hill. But we we're keeping our houses here and our houses are going strong because the houses are helping us build staff morale cohesive just for [clears throat] our staff alone and it's just a nice thing to do. Um Miss Cameron is going to talk about some of the things that we even did last week for the houses and we're looking to see what we can do to move some more staff initiative over to Nathan Bell as well. But again, you have to think about all of that plays into our report cards. Happy teachers, invigorated teachers, people who come to work. If you're there today, you did give our students content instruction to help them go from good to great. So, we're working on a multitude of things.
052>> Thank you. You have good questions. I >> have one question just regarding the data. Do we have data even within the district that shows kids that attend like maybe help from kindergarten through >> I am working on that right now. >> Yes, I have been working on that. It it's it's been a ongoing system for me to put that in there. But yes, sir, we are working on that and my intent is to have that by the end of this year. >> I have another question for the kids in regards to that. What percentage of our children are getting tu? So we don't we don't have to [cough] do the tutoring anymore. When we had to we tried tutoring as you know two years in a row and what we found with the ting
053that we were only able to reach maybe 20 30 kids and we had over a thousand students that 20 and 30 wasn't really making an impact for us. That's why we started to look at doing something different. That's why we started asking about the math coach. Do they have the kids right here in the building? And we're also taking a look at how we structure that with our MTSS or some people call it RTI. It's the same thing just a different terminology on what we're doing right here in the school environment because another thing that we found especially our heritage middle school basketball season comes around >> they don't they don't want to go to tutor >> and it becomes punitive and then we don't want their students to feel like that. Um, so we
054had to take a we had to take a dump dive as to what we were doing because I'm not going to say that math tingly wasn't beneficial for all kids. Just wasn't enough of our students. And again, we may start out with 30 kids, but I'm be honest with you doing basketball season. I'd be lucky if I get two of them today. >> The standard saying is that um an interventionist tutoring will affect 30 students. A coach can impact a thousand students because they're working with the teacher to build the capacity so the teachers can build it within the day and then they don't have to worry about missing out on the activities that happen. Part of that moving to the standardbased grading is to address that situation. We're focusing on the standard. We're in
055we're emphasizing it and then the teachers are providing differentiated instruction within their classroom. So, you're going to start seeing a lot more things happening not only at Nathan Hale, but here also thanks to Miss Ashley Smith um centers that are being put in so that students teachers are able to work with groups of five or groups of two individually while they're doing the I do the we do you do method. So, the teachers teach the standard based on grade level. Then they do that. It's called I do. The teacher models it. They show it. Then they do a we do together with the whole group. And then they send them to do the you do. And during that you do time, whether they're doing independent work or they're working in centers, the teacher then pulls
056students back and does independent work, whether they're doing reading assessments with them individually or working as a whole group. And we're going to start embedding with the help of Miss Washington and our instruct and our math coach uh more game based things for math so that the students can see real life application for it. We're just trying to find a different way to make math fun and make math realistic because what we've learned is that our students just think they have this perception that math is just 42 minutes a day where math is all day every day. So we that's why we started financial literacy. We took our kids down to the umederal Federal Reserve >> We took the kids down to the Federal Reserve and just the conversations that they had about that about
057trying to be businessmen. So, we're trying a more realistic approach just to get them going. And we're, like I told you earlier in the year, we're going to take that same financial literacy approach. We're going to take it over to Lake Miguel in January because we really do have them up and running here now. And we're also we're we're starting to just teach our teachers how to do math and [clears throat] you know just how to make math fun because I'm be very honest not every not everyone who teaches math is comfortable teaching math right now. One of the things we realized last year is I tried to co-e with the teachers as much as I can and uh I was doing a co-eing with Miss Barrett across the street and this was a couple
058years ago and here I had the beers in my hand because I had to take from Miss St. on and all the students thought I was doing a science experiment. I said, I really love that you guys made that comment because it just shows me how much we need to really focus on the as Dr. Pettis said alluded to earlier is that crosscurricular allowing the students to see I said I I understand why you think it's science but this is actually a math assignment. We're going to be doing measurements and volume and so forth and the students are like math but it's just getting that crosscurricular and as Dr. Ped just said seeing that math is everywhere. It's not just isolated to math it's everywhere. And at this point, we've taken [clears throat] our uh
059our students with disabilities, we've been we've moved them and integrated them more into the general curriculum so they can have more exposure to the general curriculum because before not all some are isolated, but again, they all are taking the same test. So now it's about showing them how to do the math. They have to use a calculator, but at least at least giving them a a playing field that they can actually try to succeed. My question regarding the uh math coach, I know we have the math coach for grades two to four. Do we have plans to bring a math coach into the middle school? And if not, like what are we doing for those teachers in the middle school? >> So glad you asked because I have an answer for that, Mr. F. [laughter]
060So, um I thought about that. I really have. So, what we're doing is right now we have a uh we have a teacher who is national for certified in the area of math. She's also our gifted teacher and math is just >> her thing. >> So what we have her doing here now, she meets with the math coach every Wednesday for about 45 minutes and they have um opportunity to collaborate. But then I have Miss Washington as our kids teacher. So she does some co-eing here at the middle school to help those to help our teachers out here because we don't want those kids to feel like or those teachers to feel like they're not getting support. So she's supporting primarily HMS and then the K2 teachers as well. Okay. But then also with that
061she's pulling out some of our little more gifted enriched math students and then she's having small classes with them as well. And on top of that, we started with the robotics club. So we we've introduced clubs as well that give the kids some higher order thinking skills. >> Question. >> I just got one more question. I'm sorry you guys. That's okay. So I know you said we've been communicating to parents, prayer, emails. What about our robocalls? >> We do roboc good. Is that just for the essential survey or just in general? >> Everything it's so all of our communication does go through parent square which handles all of our email, direct messaging, uh website posts, Facebook posts, um the robocall, all of it in one. Um and right now we are we're one of only
062a handful of schools in the United States um that can actually tell this that we are 100% connected. So 100% of our families have at least one person that is contactable for all campers that goes out. Um again national average is in the 70s. Um and the fact that we're at 100 and we have the data to show that our parents that since we've gone to parents square um our communication and our reception of communication from our parents has drastically increased higher than others. >> Just to pat Dr. McGowan on the back. He we're doing so well with that communication that parents were actually asking him to provide um PD for other districts and to speak on things because we are doing so well because he put so much effort into ensuring that our process
063was multiacet. >> So thank you Dr. >> Thank you. >> That's why you can't leave us. [laughter] >> Thank you. Thank you. Miss Chantel Cameron, principal Heritage Middle School. >> Good day. How are you guys? >> Good. So, I want to I want to start off by brought up Miss Smith. So, I'm gonna go ahead and give her a quick shout out. She actually presented today. I think that's what Miss Dr. Los was alluding to. She presented her centers to an organization today. And so while we talk about, you know, always getting outside PD and all the things, we really have experts right here in our own space. And so shout out to Miss Smith for doing her thing. I think she said she was nominated a couple of months ago. I don't know if
064I mentioned it um in a in a program and I don't have the details, but I know that she was nominated and so I just wanted to give her her accolades. You know, give the flowers. Um so as you know, I like to go back and then come back up. So, I'm going to go back first. Spirit week was a couple weeks ago and we ended with a pep rally which kicked off basketball season. Basketball season has been a fun time. Fun times. Um, we got our new rally rag. So, if you haven't gotten a rally rally rag, let me know and I'll get you one. Um, we had a steady blow of at parent teacher conferences. That was really good. We always see at her we see the fifth graders show up. the fifth
065grade parents always show up is the other grade levels that we have stagnant participation but this year it was a consistent flow of conferences some great productive conversations and so I am grateful for the families who came out this year um I think our model worked and it was it was a great turnout and so thank you for that um of course I'm going to talk about the heritage houses but before I do I want to talk about family family literacy night that happened as well and it was a success Shout out to Miss Schwitzer who is who kind of took it over. Miss Brady is the one who has been holding our family literacy nights. And so when we when she retired last year, it was like, okay, who's going to do this? And
066so Miss Schweiter uh took the lead and she did a fantastic job. Thank you to the family literacy committee as well. They did a super fantastic job. Um ituda hosted their family, their fall family event. That was great. as well as Dosey had their Friendsgiving celebration last Friday. That was also great. The food was good. You know, I like to eat. Mixture of American and Indian traditional meals. So, that was also a fun time. Um, student council went on their workshop at COMR Elementary last week. Um, so now I'm getting jumping into the present. Heritage is um having a food drive. If you look behind you, we are collecting food u for those who are less fortunate. We always talk about giving back and so anybody that wants to participate obviously we are open and
067willing. The food drive ends on the 20th so get those get that stuff in and then of course they're supporting the heritage houses. We're doing a friendly competition. The house that gets the most points I mean the has the most items obviously will get some type of incentive. Um our next house day is ne is upcoming Tuesday November 25th and we're having our house party. This year we changed a little bit. We usually do the house party on the very first house day, but we wanted to try something different with having the house day on a half day. And so we didn't end up having a house party this the first quarter. So we're trying it for this quarter. And we're incorporating our Eagle Bus. So we um I know we talked about the Eagle
068Bus before. We we piggybacked off of what Nathan Hell was doing. And our Eagle Bus is a thing. If you notice, we've we've um com combined our Eagle Bugs and our houses together. And so the students can use their Eagle Bucks as an incentive to go to the uh the school store. The school store is run by our PBC uh committee, Miss Peele, is doing a fantastic job at making sure that that is running up and running. And then our Eagle Bucks are electronic, so the kids know how much they have in their accounts and Mr. Dolan does all of the footwork for that. So, I'm grateful for that as well. Going forward, our winter band and choir concert is Thursday, December 4th. We hope that you guys can come out and support support the
069band and choir. Our New Berry Bowl competition is December 11th. Again, shout out to Miss Schwitzer for holding that down. We'll actually be hosting it here at Heritage, so we'll have the schools come in. They they usually work in the library. um will compete in the library during the daytime, so that's always fun. Um, Lego Robotics, shout out to Miss Smith again. Lego Robotics competition is December 13th. It's a Saturday. She takes the uh she and a few other teachers take a group of kids to the school and they compete. Um, this is their third year, Mr. Dak. So, this is their third year competing. First year, we didn't write really know what to do. Second year, we did a little bit better. So, we looking for a win this go around. We hope so.
070But the kids are really working hard. Um, spending time. You know, there Miss Smith is calling like, "Hey, the kids want to meet on Saturday. Is it okay?" I'm like, "Listen, lady, you need a break, too." But, you know, I'm all for supporting the kids. And so, um, I'm grateful that this this this group is really into what it is that they're doing. We want to be able to not only have the athletics um, shining, we also want to have the intellectual things shining as well. Um, the HMS band is performing at All State Arena for the Wolves game on December 14th. That's a Sunday. So, shout out to Miss Wagner for doing that on the weekend as well. And I believe that our Thanksgiving break is next Wednesday. So excited about that. Does anybody
071have any questions of me? >> Good. Cuz I got a question. >> Oh, wait, wait. I got to tell you something. >> [laughter] >> I'm not sure if you guys got an opportunity to see the teachers lounge. >> It is amazing. So, I think what they're doing is between Mr. Ken and Miss Camry, I think they got the two schools competing against each other [laughter] because when I went to Nathan Hill for that steam program, I was like, "Oh, Nathan Hell looks good." But then today, Mr. cat [laughter] and I saw the boardroom and the teacher's lounge. I was like, "Oh, Miss Cambridge and Dr. Milhouse done did this furniture and they got the pop of red, not blue." >> Yeah, we popped red all the way through. >> They popped red all the way
072through. It look so nice. [laughter] >> And then they got the the emblem on the wall. Y'all got to We got to have a tour. We got to see. So, we wanted our our our goal was to make it homely. We wanted the teachers to feel we didn't want it to be like the teachers lounge of the past where you go in there and you're gossiping or whatever whatever the bad stigmas of the teachers lounge is. And so, if we brighten it up, if we add some add some furniture that kind of gives life, if we we welcoming. >> Yes. Yes. And they got a little plant. >> Yeah. I'm sure they got [laughter] more. >> We do. We do. Yeah. Yeah. And the teachers are being amazing in uh supporting the the teachers lounge
073because they are donating tea and coffee because I said we can get the things but y'all got to make sure you supply all everything. But they are and they are they're really showing up. They leave stuff in there for the teachers to share. U Miss Miss Lozano last week she brought a whole and set up a whole table just full of things. um um just grapes and you know shuery stuff like she just looked out for the teachers and so we wanted to have that kind of feel so that they do feel welcome coming in. I do want to remind you about our current seven mindsets though. So we are working on the we are connected. So here's my quote. Coming together is a beginning. Keeping together is progress. Working together is success. You guys
074have a great day. >> Thank you. Mr. Joseph Kid, Mr. Hill. [cough and clears throat] >> Oh, good evening. >> Good evening. >> Well, after that, I do want to say that there is room for people that want red things. [laughter] There's room. I don't mind sharing. That's good. I do want to start off here, though, and we've heard a lot of great things. A big thank you to our parents. I just have said that for a long time. I think we have some wonderful, wonderful, great parents. And those parents turned out for our parent teacher conferences. I know we were north of 250ome conferences that were there. They were in and all grade levels. Um, and the feedback has been great, too. Now, after it was over, I think at least I for sure
075could take a deep breath. And I think I could say the same thing for district administration, too. Because if you're talking about a collaborative piece, everybody worked so hard to get this standardsbased grading thing together from Dr. Pettis, Dr. Los, Dr. mic all the way down to the teachers in the classroom and everybody in between because the truth of the matter is we knew what we wanted to hear >> but we didn't know that's what we were going to hear. And the idea that this is working for our parents, that they are giving us the feedback, not because we think this is where your child is or we think this is the grade your child got, but because we can begin pinpointing and saying this is where we are with your child and the action
076plan of how we are going to move forward. And that was a wonderful, wonderful conversation to have with our parents. So again, kudos to our parents who showed up and showed out, if you will. Great questions, great communication. It was a good night. Now, if you have your calendars on you, I'm going to help you out a little bit. If you want to get your science on, Wednesday, November 19th is math science day all day at Nathan Hale. And our theme is beginning to come together districtwide. When we talked about the first math science day, we were really talking about showing our kids that science is all around you. It doesn't just happen in science class. It happens all around. And again, if you link the breadcrumbs together, that's the same trek that we're on
077for math. Our kids can do math just like everybody else. We have to have the right medicine and the right strategies and that's what we're getting to. So if you want to get your science on the 19th, drop by any time of the day. All teachers, all teams will be doing all kind of activities with their kids, science activities. We started our our um Mr. Poppers Penguins, which is our one book, one school initiative. The kids are on chapter three right now and all of this is leading up to our literacy night which is Tuesday, December second. If you want to come because you got that literacy thing popping in you, drop in that evening because it should be a blast. And again, Mr. Poppers Penguins is going to culminate that night. This is Miss
078Angelo and the literacy committee. Again, our parents have always turned out it should be another exciting time. We started planning for our uh winter concert and the annual winter concert this year looks like it's going to fall on December 17th. So, if you have a little music that you need to, you know, you got you moving around and you're just bouncing around and you want to hear some good singing going on from our kids, drop by December 17th. We have the winter carnival being planned right now because you know what? We want to end this first half of the year. We want to end it in good spirits the same as we began before everyone goes on winter break. So Thursday, December 18th, if you feel like you want to get your plate on, all
079you got to do is drop by. All day kids will be taking turns doing different events, participating in different activities, and depending on how free you are, we'll be more than happy to put you to work because we always need people to help out. And then finally, let me finish up with this. Student council's been working hard. Um they're they've been fundraising. Their fundraiser actually ends on the 19th. They're collecting all kind of goods. They are trying to collect goods to send to Jamaica, which you know was hit and ravished if you will uh by the uh storm. So again, they've been working hard to do that. While the social workers at Nathan Hale have begun uh a food drive also, I want to make sure I use the right words here. Let's share and
080care. It's a let's share and care drive in which we have a lot of people around us that simply need help as well. So again, a lot of our kids are involved in things that are bigger than us. And again, that puts something in place that they don't get to see necessarily until you move self out the way. And when you can move self out the way, then I think we've done the job of showing them that the world is a big place. Everybody has a place in it and you can be a productive citizen as well. So otherwise, we hope to see you at some of those events and I'll look forward to it. Have a good one. >> Thank you, Mr. Okay. Uh the policy committee has the second readings. Those are for
081you to review. Item K, excuse me. Recommend motions. Uh K1 recommend a motion to wave and adopt the second reading of policies listed above as presented. Motion. >> Second. >> Motion by Ambrose. Second by Stewart. >> Ambrose. Yes. >> Stewart. >> Yes. >> Thompson. >> Yes. >> Bur. Yes. Smith. >> Yes. >> And Hill. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. >> Uh to to to approve the expenses for Dr. Erica Hill House status superintendent to attend the AASA American Association of School Administrators National Conference on Education to be held February 12th to the 14th 2026 located at the Music City Center in Nashville, Tennessee. All expenses paid motion. >> I'm sorry. I want to have some conversation around that. >> Okay. Um I attended the national conference of cute this year and it was such a
082great experience. So I do understand the importance of the national conferences is to gain uh uh share best practices of the districts and so forth and see if they're applicable to bring back to our district. So my question to you Dr. had gone to these um conferences, how do you provide the takeaways to both the administration and the board? And have you implemented any of those best practices here in the district? But this will be my first one I've ever attended. But when I do go to conferences, we when all of the administrators go to conferences, we have a ministry team meets bi-weekly and we we do shares. We we send each other articles to read. I've never really shared with the board, but we share among each other and that's how we come up
083with practices. Matter of fact, that's how we come up our social emotional curriculums as as a whole. But we do do takeaways and we we do walk through to make sure things are implemented. >> Anything else? Motion. >> Second. >> Motion by Ambrose. Second by Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Thompson. >> Yes. Burks, yes. Smith, >> yes. >> Will, >> yes. >> And Hill, >> yes. >> Motion passes. >> Uh, item three is going to be after uh close. Unless you all want to start with that. Now, item three is uh to select a company to facilitate Sunny Brook School District 171 strategic action plan. >> I'm sorry, you said we need to go in close session. >> I said we would provide action afterwards. I thought we were motioning to actually >> like I I
084said in the email if you all had a company that you all wanted to recommend to let us know but no one respond to that. So do you have a recommendation >> can go into close session? >> I'm sorry we close session. >> Okay. We at item four. Recommend motion to approve the snow removal contract with American Lawn as presented. motion. >> Second by [clears throat] second by Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Thompson. >> Yes. >> Bur. Yes. Smith. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. >> We're at item five. Recommend motion to approve the tax levy for 2025 as presented. One, resolution approving the tax levy and certificate of tax levy. Two, boss factor resolution. Three resolution authorizing reduction of certain fund levies for the 2025 levy year. >> Second motion by the
085Stewart, second by the Stewart, >> yes. >> Ambrose, >> yes. >> Burks, yes. Smith, >> yes. >> And Hill, >> yes. >> Motion passes. We're at item six. Uh to authorize the law firm of Patrice Patrick Patrick Gle and Bole and EO LLC as it legal representative property tax proceedings as presented. >> Motion >> second. >> Motion by Burke, second by Ambrose. Burks. Yes. Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Smith. >> Yes. >> Terrell. >> Yes. >> Gill. >> Yes. >> Mure. >> Yes. >> And Thompson. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. Item seven to approve the echo executive board of directors regular board meeting minutes of September 16, 2025, August 12th, 2025 public hearing budget uh fiscal year 26 September 15, 2025 minutes administrative contracts for following four echo Maddie Young Susan Norris independent contractor agreement with
086every special child LLC as presented. Motion >> second >> motion by Ambrose. Second by Terrell. >> Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Terrell. >> Yes. >> Hill. >> Yes. >> Lure. >> Yes. >> Thompson. >> Yes. >> Burks. Yes. And Smith. >> Yes. >> Motion to pass. >> We at item L visitor statements. Uh visitors have they'll have two minutes per person. A total of 30 minutes will be allocated for visitor comments. Good evening everyone. >> Good evening. >> I'm just here to um remind all of my parents who participated in the fall fundraiser that pickup is this Wednesday the 19th from 3 to 7. So once you pick up your student from heritage, come on over to Nathan Hell because that's all be both schools pick up. So it's from 3 to 7. Real simple. Just
087pick up your kid and come right over there. We do not have enough freezer space for cookie dough. Now, I've been blessed, knock on wood, if I have any extra, God has blessed me with snow and I'm able to keep it in the breezeway, keep the cookie dough cool. >> But I don't think I'm going to be not looking good for me to snow this year. So, please, please, please, if you can, on Wednesday the 19th between 3 to 7, if you don't get off of work in time, please feel free and reach out to me. I've been known to stay later. If you have to come a little bit later than 7, I will wait because like I said, I don't have enough storage for the cookie dough. So, um, thanks again for participating.
088The 19th, 3 to 7. >> Now, what kind of cookies is it? Otis pick it up. >> Yeah. Otis smoke miner, which is one of our top things that we do sell. Like if you need me to come pick up the cookie. [laughter] >> Thank you. And thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Any other statements? All right. We are at motion uh item M. Recommend motion to move into close session for the purpose of uh the appointment conversation, student discipline performance for dismissal of specific employees of the district. Superintendent Board of Relations. >> Motion. [clears throat] >> Motion by Ambrose. Second Ambrose. >> Yes. Smith. >> Yes. motion. >> You only have one thing to come back with 7:45. >> [laughter] >> Well, you're smiling. Um, I just want to write them down
089so I can know who >> this should be. This actually should be >> two. >> What's the this next level. That's the comprehens that you got the example What? >> I sent it to everybody. The strategic plan. >> Use that council. >> Huh? >> We couldn't use that. >> State review. >> Educational leadership. >> We got to vote on one of those. That's where we at. table last time was free if we start over January too. to zoom just >> everybody okay with with the two y'all for looking for additional people because [clears throat] >> okay call order 909 red item three, which I think should be two motions because we have a vote for two >> different um companies. Uh a recommend motion to hire Educational Leadership Solutions as the company that will facilitate
090Sunnyville School District 171 strategic action plan as presented. >> Motion second. Motion by Bur, second by Ambrose. Bur. No. Ambrose. >> Yes. >> Sir, >> no. >> For real? >> Yes. >> No. >> The Sorry, y'all. >> Wait. Y'all saying we got two motions on it? >> We going to have to only two >> because you have to choose between the two. >> Nothing else was presented to us and the other one had um >> No, we did have So we did have three presented. We did have three presented. One was through. >> Yeah, these these these kind of organizations they work out a year in advance. It's educational leadership. We did that on that one. Oh, that's Yes. Okay. Yes. >> Okay. >> No. >> Motion failed. >> All right. To hire Next Level
091Core Solutions as the company that will facilitate Sunny Brook School District 171 strategic action plan as presented. >> Motion. [clears throat] Second >> motion by Burke. Second by Thompson. Bur. Yes. Thompson. >> Yes. >> Ambrose. >> No. >> Smith. >> Yes. >> No. >> Hill. >> Yes. >> No. >> Motion passes. I said um motion to adjourn. All in favor? I. >> It is 9 and 11. Okay. So the next step now that