001Test test test check. One, two. p.m. And let's rise for the pledge of allegiance, please. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Um, on to roll call here. Mrs. Walsh here. Mrs. Gray here. Mr. Bower here. Mrs. Dellberger here. Mr. Kersner here. On to item number three. Um, treasurer prom prom. Um, I would like to recommend to accept Mrs. Dao Ber as treasurer prom for this meeting. Can I get a second? Any discussion? On to roll call, please. That will be me. Um, Mrs. Walsh, I. Uh, Mrs. Gray, I. Mr. Bower, I Mrs. Dberger, I and Mr. Kersner. Motion passes. All right. On to item B1, adoption of the attached agenda. I
002get a motion. I move. A second. You guys just give me a minute to set everything up. If I could have a few minutes, I can to Okay, thank you. Yes. Thank you so much. Who was the second, please? Uh, Mrs. Walsh. Thank you. So, it's a little confusing to me. Isn't that agenda the same as this agenda? Is that what you're saying? Or just the whole agenda? This is for the adoption of the attached agenda. The attached agenda or the agenda? Well, it's the agenda. This whole thing that Mr. Kushner had put together. This agenda in front of the correct. Thank you. Move it forward. Um, okay. So, this confuses me real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Sorry, didn't mean no rush. So I first for the agenda for Mr. uh John Walsh
003I mean John Kersner and then I have uh Miss Kathy Walsh correct for second. Correct. That's correct. And now we're on to discussion. Correct. Correct. All right. I'm ready. Thank you. Yep. So, um, the agenda we're operating off of is not the agenda I sent. It's a somewhat similar. And when I sent in the attachment shown, I sent it to the treasur and I said, I hope this is helpful. I am just trying to keep it brief. I wasn't expecting it to be verbatim and it's not. He's obviously cleaned up some uh errors as far as uh numbering and added um the language for public participation, etc. So I would say that my attachment serves no purpose and we are operating off the agenda in front of us. So I would amend the motion um
004to I would move to amend the motion to adopt the agenda that is here before us and um and discard any any set attachment on page uh on the back page because we're not actually operating off of that. So, c can I just recap to make sure I have these notes correct really quick? Um, because you went kind of fast. Okay. So, you said the agenda that we're operating off of is not the agenda that was provided and that you provided an agenda to the treasurer um as a just as a guide. I said if it's if it's a if I hope this is helpful is what I said. And then they they created a full agenda, corrected my errors in numbering and lettering and that's what we're oper operating off of. So I don't
005think that the actual board of education meetings that PDF that I sent served any purpose. We're not really operating off of that. So again, I move Hold on one second before you get to there. One second because let me get his motion and then can I go to your comment because we'll need a second for that. I just want to make sure I document that in real time. Just one moment. Thank you. Yeah. Um, and you said the PDF does not certainly the PDF was sent as a reference, but it doesn't, as you can see, it doesn't match up with what we're actually using. I actually have a A B D C D. So, I made errors, but it also doesn't include uh vital language such as our public speaking policies, etc. So, um, it
006doesn't really serve a purpose. It was just Well, well, it does serve a purpose. Can I interrupt for a moment, John? Um, could you look at F on this current agenda? It doesn't have the language that Mr. had on C. Mr. um, Mr. President and in board, if you could just give me one moment, and I I appreciate um everyone's commentary. Again, I am trying to make sure I capture our minutes appropriately. So, I still had to uh document Mr. Kersner's motion, Miss Walsh. And then if we can move get that seconded or if that motion stays get that voted on then move on to the next discussion because he did make a motion prior to uh the statement. Is that all right with you Mr. President and Miss Yeah. I just wanted to save
007time for him. Yeah. Because that lang I see I see the error. I withdraw my motion and u So you're you made a motion to make an amendment and now you're withdrawing the motion. I am and I'm going to correct my motion. Okay. Um, I move to accept the um to utilize the agenda presented on the first two pages and to incorporate from my agenda on the second page under C board items the actual legal language uh for our reason to move to executive session and to disregard any other portion of the PDF. document that I created. Okay. So, I have I have the first part and I didn't get the second part. I have I moved to accept uh you asked to withdraw your motion and then you made the second motion now to
008accept the agenda on the first two pages and then the attachment the first page is created by the district. Okay. And then to incorporate uh from the agenda I prepared item C board items move to executive session that actually states the required Ohio revised code and the reason for our executive session into the the district prepared agenda and to discard uh the rest of my my notes prepared agenda. Sorry. Can you clarify on the executive session portion? It I believe it's in there. Can we get a second really quick because we've got this motion. I want to make sure we get a second and Okay. Um if there is one, is there a second for this motion? So, um I have it as moved to accept Mr. Kersner. Oh my gosh. All right. So, so
009real quick, can I get Yeah. Everyone real quick before we move forward, can I get a second to this motion? Do I need to re read it? No, because I'm with I'm withdrawing it because I Kathy Hold on. Can I interrupt, please? My agenda is different than Libbyy's. I think it's on the bottom. It's there. It's there. Oh my gosh, you're killing me. I withdraw my motion. Oh. Oh. It's there on number, John. All right, Kathy, take it away. You make the motion. So, you're withdrawing your motion, Mr. I was incorrect. Yeah. So sorry for all the confusion. Just want to make sure it's done right. I now move. I'm going to do this nice and slow. It's the last time. I I pray I pray it's the last time. I move that we accept
010the agenda prepared by the district uh as it is complete and accurate and discard my agenda which was just simply put together as a guide. Thank you. I second. All right. So I have Mr. Kushner as first for this motion. Mrs. Walsh as second for this motion. On to discussion. I I will be voting no as this violates our board policy violation of the GMLA uh contract and it is my fiduciary responsibility to ensure that we do not subject the district to a unfair labor practice um lawsuit. There are procedures that are to follow when a complaint is submitted to the board and I believe those pro procedures were not followed and I would also be voting no in agreement with I just went to roll. I thought we were doing discussion but okay hold
011on one second. All right. Go ahead Mr. Bard. Okay. Um so I do agree with Miss Mrs. Gray in her assessment. And also, I do believe that for a special meeting, we can only call it for what was noted on the special meeting notice, which was just for executive session. Does not include anything else. So, we weren't on roll call, but I'll just take those as discussion points because we you didn't call roll call officially, so I assume that this was discussion. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to make sure I was getting into this discussion, but I Thank you. Just want to make sure for the record. Just give me some keep going. I'm just trying to make sure I keep that up real quick. So my is it do is it okay for me
012to go to Lato toy? Are you caught up? I'm still typing. Can you give just a minute? No, I'm still typing. Right. So to to reply to that assumptions. Yeah. One second, Mr. I'm not ready if I'm supposed to keep your note the minutes. Okay. So if you Thank you so much. Just give me a few minutes. It's fine. Okay, I'm looking for you, Kathy. All right. So, um, what I was going to say is I was unaware that this executive session was regarding a GMLA unit member. My understanding that it's not regarding a GMLA unit member. So, I'm confused as to why you would use that as a reason to vote no. Do you have that, Latoya? I'm still typing. Yep. Ready. Next. All right. So, I would I would go on to comment
013that assumptions were made. Presumptions were made. this uh a request to review documentation in executive session was presented as a public records request. Um legal counsel didn't quite understand how that would be possible. Um public doesn't have access to our executive sessions. So I don't see how that would be. But also I understand I think we all understand that our oversight is to the administration. So if we have a problem and we call an executive session to address an issue, I'm very aware that we're going to be addressing not the individual employee, but how our administration responds to the issue and to ensure that we have a response to the issue. So um I just want to clarify that and uh it's it's kind of it's very interesting that the GMLA was in was even
014engaged in this. In order to engage the GMLA, someone had to go out on a limb and invent the idea that my request for information in an executive session was a public records request without even asking me. So, it's pretty bizarre. Well, I can just I'm just gonna respond one more time and just say that um um I had read through all the emails, the multiple multiple emails that had gone back and forth and my interpretation was the same that it was going to be discussed of an employee. um and certain documents were requested for us to review and that is still a violation of the GMLA contract. It's also a violation for a person to make a whistleblower complaint of our contract because if you're not willing to name your child or use your
015name, then any complaint is considered informal. Even though our board policy says we have whistleblower protection. So item H of our contract with the teachers union is a gross embarrassment. Thank you. Great. Also, no. We're not I I want to know you have two board members sitting here who called this meeting and we're telling you that this was not to discuss a GMLA contract employee. It is not that was not the intent of this executive session. So, uh, just because one of our administrators would like you to believe that it is does not make it. So, this is not what this was called for. This was called for to discuss employees. Yes. But not any GMLA employee and there also has to be a mechanism. I'm sorry, Victoria. Let me let you catch up. And
016we have a duty to keep our students safe. And this is a safety issue regarding our students. This is important, right? Let me know when you're caught up to ready. Okay. I believe in most any legal counsel that we speak with will will say there has to be a mechanism in place for the board to address issues like this when they are brought before us from the community. We may need to modify our board policies but um there has to be a mechanism where we can properly review these types of complaints and give direction to our administration. Thank you. Well, I would like to say, Mr. Kersner, it's kind of hard to um address our board policies when our board president refuses to appoint board members to our policy committee. All right. Any other discussion
017on that? I think we beat it to that. Okay. Yes. Abs. And then you like to and then I'd like to say a few things to first. Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to say this. Um, you know, I, you know, taking on the presidency role this year, I it's been, I have tried to work with everyone here on a board to come together to consensus and it and it becomes difficult when things like this occur. Um, you know, I think that we can agree to disagree at times. Um but at the end of the day, you know, we are here to um serve the district, to help serve the children, help serve the teachers. Um and also provide oversight to our administration. And I think that the name calling has got to stop. Um I'm
018I'm tired of it. Um frankly, I'm just speaking personally here. Um you know, the accusations are are it's unprofessional um in my opinion as well. Um, and I do disagree in the fact that, and I agree with what Mrs. Gray had said earlier, that I do believe that this is a violation and that that what we have done, um, we've had a grievance brought forth to us regarding this as well. That is not to say that anyone of any one of us here does not care about the students or the safety of this district. So, um, that's what I do have to say regarding that. Okay. And I'll probably paraphrase. So for me um I I hiberate all the emails and one I want to apologize and know I was behind with being out on
019bereavement leave recently and coming off medical leave. So I did get caught up read everything. Um also had looked at the policy and the contract as well with my background being HR but I will say of course all students are important the situation is important um in whatever in whatever capacity. But the other my biggest concern is the I know we have the 48 hour notice and in order to have an effective board meeting um that wasn't and I know we can call a special meeting but I was not canvased to see my availability. I don't know if our administration was. So in order for us to even discuss the matter that wish to be discussed and I know you're stating it's not about any one specific that's fine if that's your statement but how
020do we even have the conversation about those things um and with our with our administration as well when we did not verify and try to coordinate schedules. And so we're here at 700 p.m. you know on a Friday which we all show that we are here to do the work of the district because we got the notice. We all showed up regardless of what it was. I was supposed to be volunteering, you know, at prom. I'm here. No problem. Because this is important. But we also did, we're also missing a step because those individuals were supposed to work with that do the day-to-day operations of our district weren't able to be present. And so that's very hard for me to have a um a effective meeting. I I I'm down for the meeting, but let's
021make it effective. Let's make it um produce something productive. And right now, it's just us five up here. Um, we do have legal counsel here with us. And we have some members of the community as well as our IT professional, but we're not how are we going to be able to be effective with that. And so, I'm really struggling with that part, let alone all the other items that have been discussed on both sides of this of this topic this evening. So, I just kind of want us to make sure that when we do that, that we're mindful and that way we can get the best out of it um and give the best to our district by working with all parties and trying to canvas times and things like that. I didn't get asked.
022I just when I found when I got back into my email it was this is the meeting this needs to go out as is and it wasn't as if and then I think I think there was something else that came I think from you Mr. question. You're like, "Well, I didn't get a response from anybody, but I'm like, well, I wasn't really asked a question." So, by the time I got through reading and caught up, I was never even asked. So, I didn't understand that part about respon about no one's responded, but no one was asked. It was like this is the meeting you guys had already signed and agreed. So, it wasn't like and you have that right to call and we have to publish that as the board and as admin. And we
023did just that, but there was not an opportunity for us to work together as president Bower is stating so that we can be efficient and pro proactive. We're not always going to get along, which right now to the public, we look like we don't get along at all. That's fine as well. But one thing we can do is be pro productive and efficient. And in this case, that's kind of that did not happen this evening, right? And that's unfortunate. And I and that is something we definitely need to work on. And I guess I would and I didn't mean I I I don't want it to go that way, but I would say welcome to my world after a year of how many times that's happened on my end. So, um, it's it it's gone
024the other way and, uh, and I'll I'll work harder and Seth, so if I reach out to you, um, you know, I need to hear back and then we can we can coordinate and work on on trying to coordinate schedules, etc. So, I work harder on that. No, absolutely. And and you know, when you had emailed me, I was at work. I didn't get home until that evening. I had meetings that evening. So, I didn't get to respond to you until I don't remember was it 7:30, 8 o'clock that night. Um, which was 48 hours. So, yes, that was yesterday, right? Yesterday night, I think is when I was able to respond to you. I I I don't know how when you're able or notable. So, so yeah. So, I mean, just going back to
025I mean, if we can come together and and make sure that the superintendent, the treasurer is available, that we we can come together. you know, when I called my special meeting uh the past month, I you know, sent it out to the board a couple weeks in advance, tried to find the date where everyone was most uh likely available. Um you know, so I think in the future if we can work on that, um again, we can agree to disagree. Um but if we can just like what Mrs. as Donald Dberger had said, um find consensus around the parameters of of scheduling the meeting that is productive um where we have our superintendent where we have the treasurer here. Um, I think that that was beneficial. And I I'll just add one more thing. And
026I understand that there are times we have to call emergency meetings or special meeting. And in this case, if that was the case, then it could have been more of an emergency meeting, not a special meeting. But then again, if we needed those other parties, you know, just that that that's that's just the biggest thing for me because I definitely, you know, want to hear, but there are processes in place. Um and maybe this is a part of when we do boardmanship training and our other things that we have to uh work on with this particular board on how that looks. But um based off of what I saw um it did align with what Miss Ray was stating and in the in the in the information that I read and how I interpreted. So
027maybe um you guys have made it clear tonight that that wasn't the um the angle, but that is how it reads. I'm sorry. Could you say I didn't understand what you were saying? I said basically I know that you're saying there the comment was made that this wasn't about a particular person, but when I went when I read the emails or it or an incident, it seems as if it was that is how I interpreted all the communication. No, I didn't say it wasn't about a particular person. When you have Well, I thought when you have if you have a person No, hold on. Let me clarify. when you have a person, let's say that um um one of our employees came up and smacked me in the face and everybody saw it, right? Um
028uh and I wanted to have a meeting about that. All right. Hey, we need to stop this. What I'm saying is I understand my role. Certainly, the person's already been called out to the to the board and made a scene in the public. So, it's not really a secret. What I'm saying is I understand my role. It's not that we're coming to evaluate the employee. We're coming in to to to say, "Hey, what did you do at this point? What did you do at this point? What did you do at this point? Why are we now here?" In this particular instance, you could see this train wreck coming 10 miles down the tracks. So, I want to talk to the conductor. I'm not trying to have a conversation about the employee. I'm trying to understand
029how we prevent this from happening again and and why we you know why we might have bad actors in our district when you can see you can see the train wreck coming you can see the damage coming this is a management thing I understand the difference I really do so of course the employee was named the employee is known that it is part of the equation you can't subtract the employee out however what was said was Hey, here's a public records request and here's the here's the uh here's the teachers contract that says, "Oh, by the way, if you don't want to front out, Johnny, your um your your complaint isn't even valid. We'll we'll treat it as an informal complaint." And so, now we have a grievance. So, that's where we're at. And I
030don't agree with section H. Um I think it's ridiculous. However, they can grieve it if they want. Point is, you got to be able to address this. if if someone comes up and harms me, if someone harms one of the kids, we have to as a board be able to address it. And you can pull up all kinds of arguments and policies and say, "Oh, oh, oh, no." But we got to be able to get our attorney come in here. And that's what we're doing. So, thank you. And we all we are all here today. We are all here. We can go back there and discuss this and plan for what to do next. Okay. And I was just going to say I don't think one is saying that um we are um anti the
031discussion. I think the issue I would have for me to do my job like how you all need what you need. I would definitely want to have those individuals at the table. And then secondly, I understand that, you know, you may not have a preference for um section H and outside of this situation when we do have a union, we want to be mindful because remember this is also public facing for both the parent and future prospects for our district. And so that's the other thing to consider. We want to make sure we are definitely looking into whatever needs to be looked into. But then there's also a way that we go about that because then we we're we're a district that we have some turnover um as far as with pay and other things
032like that. And then if this is the um the look and make of the board, h how will we be able to recruit and retain um folks? And I'm not saying this instant, but I'm just saying how we keep going about it. We we do what we need to do, but the look and feel of this doesn't show, you know, professionalism in my opinion. um how I would go about it and I don't also think I would have like I said would have liked to have had I'm greater our legal counsel's here but I would wanted to have all parties so we really could have an effective productive conversation. So um I'll give back I will probably have additional questions um on these meeting minutes. So I do ask um right here while I'm speaking
033to have grace from everyone on the meeting minutes but I will do my best to clean these up the best I can but I definitely wanted to put that on the record. I I I'd like to understand your comment about turnover, what that has to do with what we're doing right now. Well, we're talking about understand the comment. I am It was going really fast and it's hard for me to call. No problem. So, the comment was made um by Mr. Kersner about not um uh really liking section H of our GMLA contract. and is very important especially during the time of public education which some people may want to defund public education and that may be their role here that you know it's not for me to decide. However, when we have um things
034like that stated it does put a precedence out here in the community as we're looking to recruit and or retain what that looks like. Right. And and and that's all I was saying. I'm just making sure she understood. So it yeah we yeah we sat in we sat in a session once where um legal language was thrown in front of us and and I caught a flaw that was going to fly through uh because it didn't apply to law and there is language in our teachers contract that says you know they can write whatever they want but it has to also adhere to state law. So there are whistleblower protections so item H does not stand all by itself and the contract would even state that. So, I'm glad legal counsel is here. Hopefully, we
035get some of those cleared up. Hopefully, we get some insights here on how to make better policy and how to address this. So, I appreciate your patience. Thank you. Any other discussion? So, just to make sure I have this down for the motion, which we vote on before you call roll call, Mr. President, the final motion was that we that Mr. person now moves to accept the agenda prepared by the district as complete and accurate and and disregard the the agenda that was attached. Correct. Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure I had that right. So this would be the two pages on that we have in front of us. Correct. Correct. Okay. We know you're ready. And so um this is to vote on adoption of the agenda. Right. It's the um his
036second the third motion because the first two were withdrawn. And so the motion is he moved that it that we accept the agenda prepared. So basically it is the first motion but it's technically the third amendment technically. I'm being honest. I mean because the first motion was what was here right? Then he made two motions and withdrew those. And then he made the next motion to basically accept the agenda as prepared that as by the district as it is complete and accurate and to completely disregard the agenda that is attached. Yes. Two motions were withdrawn. So we just have the one motion. Okay. And uh so I've heard that a couple members are saying they want to vote no. They want to kick this down the road or do they don't not want to have
037any action at all. Do they want to schedule discuss this? What's one second? We have I'll do roll just one moment, Miss Walsh. Okay. I was just part of the discussion. I was just trying to have discussion on Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. Go ahead. So what is that? So I can get that. I wasn't in that section. Do you have additional comments, Miss Walsh? I'm sorry. I'm good. Okay. I I just I'm sorry. I was just in that section. I went back up to do the roll call part, but I'll gladly take whatever comment you have and put in. No, no, I'm good. I said I'm good. I'm good. Okay. Oh, I would I did want to let you know that Nate is recording this, so you can always pick all the stuff on the
038recording. He can send it to make it a little easier for you. All right. On to Are you ready? Yes. So, can I ask a question since we have legal counsel here really quick? Sure. So, in this case, really the original motion is what we ended up landing on. Do I need to do anything in the meeting minute notes to uh strike the third motion since it really reverts back to the first motion? Okay. Thank you. So with that, we're we're voting on the um just the adoption of the agenda as is. The third motion is no longer necessary as it concurs with the original motion. Is everyone clear on that? Are you ready for a roll call, Mr. Treasurer? I mean, Mr. President, I can go ahead. Y Mr. Ker. Miss Walsh. Hi. Miss
039Curry. No. Mr. Bower. No. And Miss Dberger? No. I would like to make a motion though just to go into executive session as outlined on the agenda. Um because that is what was noticed in the um meeting notice to the public. Do I have a second? Could you repeat that? I would like to make a motion to just go into executive session as noted on the special meeting notice. We don't Oh, I'mma read it. I'm sorry. I have to read it. I'm sorry. So, I would like to make a motion that aligns with the neat meeting notice that went out to go into executive session for the purpose of to consider the appointment, employment, dismissal, discipline, promotion, demotion or compensation of a public employee or official or the investigation of charges or complaints against a
040public employee, official, lency, regulated indiv regul ated individual unless the employee, official lency or regulated individual request a public hearing by division G1 of section 121.22 of the revised code second. I'm just like very confused right now. Oh, are you ped? I'm sorry. I'm I'm ready for discussion. Go ahead, Kathy. So, we didn't adopt the agenda and you're making a motion to add the next item uh to make to add what was on the agenda? No, we're just going to executive session without adopting the agenda. The special meeting notice that was put out did not list it lists the purpose only for that and not the other items. And so, um, if I'm correct and we have legal counsel here, if we would have, we would have violated Ohio Sunshine. Okay. So my thought was
041if the special meeting notice that you two signed has that purpose as I just read I don't want to read the whole thing again then we can go in for that reason and I didn't have a second. So then that would then be what the special meeting notice that was sent out um two days ago. Is that is that the problem Miss Walsh? No, go on. Just we have our legal counsel here. Can you come up and explain is it this is allowable and Thank you. Yes. Yes. I mean, I'm just I guess my question is why wouldn't we just delete the things we didn't want on the agenda and then adopt the agenda with the stuff we wanted on? It seems like a silly will go around. So, what would you like me to
042explain about whether or not you can still go into executive session? So, the the um the motion was a proper motion to go into executive session. I don't I didn't hear if it was seconded or not. It was Mr. Kersner. I think it was seconded by Mr. Kersner. Yes. Um, you have the ability to go into executive session because that was what was contained on the special meeting notice. It would be a violation of open meeting law for you to do anything other than address a motion to go into executive session for the purpose because that is the only item that was contained on the notice of the special meeting. Now, if you have other reasons that you believe you shouldn't be going into executive session, that's what you can discuss um as you discuss
043this motion and make a determination about how you you're going to vote on on the motion to go into executive session. And my question is, couldn't we have just took an agenda we had taken off the things that we didn't want and adopt the agenda with just those items with just executive session on? So the you're asking whether at the at the onset could you have modified the agenda? Correct. There wasn't a motion to modify the agenda. Okay. Somebody could have made a motion to modify the I mean I guess there actually were three motions to modify um but there wasn't a motion described in the way that you you are asking somebody could have made a motion and and modified the agenda but that didn't happen. Okay. Thank you. And for me, I'll be
044honest with with doing both, I I wasn't I was trying to make sure I got everybody's thing, but I didn't want for me. I wanted to make sure I went back to my board hat to make sure I spoke from my my convictions. So, if that was confusing to you, Miss Welch, that wasn't intentional. But trying to do this and make sure I capture as much as I can for the notes for this evening in addition to um speaking my convictions as well. So that was not anything intentional. It was just, hey, let me just make sure this and pull my other note up. If you're ready for rope, Mr. President, we can do ro this time. Well, there's more discussion. Yeah, I'd like to still state my my concerns with this regarding the grievance
045filed. Um, as previously stated, I don't know if anyone else shares that concern. Yeah, I I still say that if basically what is being said here for the reason we're going to executive session, it still violates the GMLA contract and I am not comfortable whatsoever and will not participate if there does go into session because I am not going to be one that is causing the district to be sued. Are all our employees Jim under the GMLA contract? The question was are all our employees under the GMLEA contract? All the certified employees. So teachers does this does this motion say certified employee? So what the topic was? Nope. Nope. Since we have legal counsel here, um, can you can you clarify this? They have a grievance based on the idea that my request for documentation,
046which could be title nine, etc. very supervisory level reports to be provided in executive session that in order for them to grieve and this to be presented to them as agreements, it had to be presented as a public records request and a board sitting board member asked for documentation in an executive session. How how does this grievance even come to fruition when I'm not making a public records request? And it should be I think it's pretty obvious that I wasn't making a public records request. And then so is your interpretation that basically if something like this happens that the um the the the um union gives us the stamp of approval when we can have this meeting or not? I mean how does this work? Yeah, please. So I I can't comment about the grievance
047itself, right? Um and we shouldn't talk about the details of Okay. Um the the complaint or the grievance here in open public session. I guess I'm not sure then what it is that you're asking um asking me to comment on. Um well basically um we're being told we're being told that we are violating a teachers contract simply by having an executive session to look at a public safety problem where I asked for relevant files to be available in an executive session. Would you say true or false? That is a violation of the contract. we don't have that ability unless the maybe the superintendent and the union agree that we have that ability. I mean, I'm trying to figure this out. So, so to me, it doesn't sound like it's clear all the way around what
048the purpose of the conversation in in executive session was. Um, if the purpose, if I mean, if it sounds like the teachers union believed it was for one purpose and that's why the grievance was filed, I can't It sounds like maybe you're saying the purpose was a different purpose, right? Based on our pol. So in order in order to ex in order to accept the argument that's being given, you must assume that I'm ignorant and I've never been a board member before and don't know my job and I think that it's my job to individually investigate an employee. Right? So that's the limb you have to go on or obviously these exemptions for executive session are here for a reason, right? So the the provisions to go into executive session are absolutely there for a
049reason. However, you've got a a unique contract for your district related to records for members covered by your school district. And as board members, it is your obligation to abide. I mean it's this is your contract your your management the board's contract with the union. Um it's your obligation to abide by that contract. Right. Could you explain that unique provision? Which unique provision? When you just said the unique we're covered by a unique Hold on. I got to scroll back up. However, you got a unique contract your district related to records for members covered. Oh, I'm sorry. Explain that. Sure. All that I was saying is that every single school district has their own unique negotiated contract with their own union. I'm sorry if if that was confusing. I was just wonder what what is
050ours. You were referencing ours. So, I'm wanting to know what ours is. You you Growport Madison has your own contract that you the board has negotiated with your union. Right. That's all I meant. Right. So, but it's for a public record, right? Yeah. Absolutely. The contract is a public record. I maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're asking me. Well, what she I guess she's asking for what you said you're already not going to provide, which is you don't want to have a discussion as to whether or not we're in violation. Is that correct? You've got a pending grievance. I can't give you any okay opinion about I mean that grievance has got to go through the process which let me point out let's just suppose that we have an administration who doesn't want to shed light
051on this. Look at the mechanism that was just created right look at the mechanism. You have to go out on a limb and say this board member is acting as a member of the public and here's a public records request. So here you go, union president, and therefore you have agreements, and therefore you have a stumbling block. And I I'm sorry. I'd love to look at it a different way, but I can't see it through another lens because this is not my first rodeo and trying to get public records and trying to get access. So thank you. And so if I if I could say I I think this is where it gets to a deadline. And I I only asked for that to be there for for this under the guise that we were
052going to discuss process. Okay. So, I'm not here to discuss anything about any person. I am not trying to violate any GML contract. That is not the intention. But we did put out a special meeting notice to our community and that is what I'm trying to stick to. And then you both have said it does not deal with the person. Hence where okay fine let's discuss whatever deals with whatever dealing with the process on the management side on how things are handled. That's different. But it's also, you know, for us as board members when we make those statements like that as if someone is intentionally or implying we are putting out false narratives until we have factual information. So to say that oh administration is not trying to shed light. We've not I mean it's
053only we got the we've if it's regarding anything we received we have gotten in we've gotten updates about things this I mean there's been nothing but multiple I can count at least 15 or so emails within the last couple days. So I I still stand on I'm definitely not trying to speak on that. We do have legal counsel here which we're paying for. So, if we're here to have that discussion, let's do that about the management side or whatever you talked about that you're trying to do, the process piece. But if that's not what we're not trying to do, then we shouldn't. And if we're going to spin it a different way, I I don't think that's the right thing to do. And maybe we should wait. So, that that's my stance. But I'm I'm
054really trying to come in good faith this evening, but it seems like it's one one one way is saying this and one way is saying that. And all I'm saying is we you the statement that was made this evening was that no, it's not about this. It's distinctly about the process and the management side and what we're going to do as a board and we have legal counsel here. Fine. Then let's move forward with that. But this other stuff of if the administration is trying to gaslight that that that's not good. Especially like I said and if those are those issues that those are things that we need to discuss in executive session with our legal counsel appropriately so those things can be addressed. But to do that this way, you know, that that doesn't
055look good for the district as a whole, especially as we are um in the recruitment phase. Thank you. I just would like to make a comment that the reason for the executive session says that to consider the appointment, the employment, the dismissal, the discipline, promotion, demotion or compensation of a public employee or official or the investigation of charges and complaints against a public employee. So in my mind, is talking about a certain employee. Talking about process, it's talking about an employee. Right. All right. Doesn't say that it's talking about a GMLA employee or a certified employee. That's not I don't see that in there. We know we can't do that. Our attorney's we could be meeting to promote That's not right. They could be meeting to promote an employee uh or official or investigating of
056charges or complaints. I know against against no public employee official licency or regulated individual. Okay. So official. So if we want to know this is what we do. We have two officials that we manage. A treasurer and a superintendent. It's right there. If I want to understand what you're doing and how we keep our students safe from bad actors, how we avoid hiding or hiring, I'm sorry, how we avoid hiring or why we've hired bad actors that were fresh off suspension or whatever it is. If I want to know that, this is the mechanism. And that does not mean GMLA exclusively employs. That's not who exclusive. We have many employees in our district who are not GMLA employees. I just need to be careful about specifics related to there's nothing specific related to this particular
057person that I just said. Honestly, there is that doesn't I I the example I gave is not applying to this situation. Just so you know. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just want to say as we close this up, this is my last comment. This is important to me to discuss this nonGMLEA employee. Okay. All right. Well, we we've certainly covered every side of this and I think we understand each other's opinions and positions. Thank you. All right. Any other discussion? Hearing none. Oh, sorry. All right. Is everyone ready to roll, please? Actually, can you restate the motion? Yes, I can restate the motion. We just finished. Um, so no. Um, my motion is to move into enter to executive session to consider the appointment, employment, dismissal, discipline, promotion, demotion or compensation of a public
058employee or official or the investigation of charges or complaints against a public employee, official lency or regulated individual unless the employee official lency or regulated individual idual request a public hearing by division G1 of section 121.22 of the revised code. May I ask legal counsel if I can answer that or do I have to leave it just like that? I can't. Thank you. I'm ready for roll call. Roll call, please. Mr. Ker. Was that Mr. Ker? Yes. Mr. Ker. Miss Walsh. I Mr. Bower. No. Miss Gray, no. Mr. Alderburgger, I motion passes. Motion passes. Um it is 7:54 p.m. We will reconvene. We're going into executive. Uh there is no um action after Yes. Do we know when Gray had left the meeting? All right. It is 900 PM and we are back from open
059session, executive session. Um on to adjourn adjournment. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Second. Mrs. Deler as first and Mrs. Walsh as second. Any discussion? All right. Hearing none. Um on to roll call, please. Mr. Kushner, point of clarification. Are we join adjourning executive session or the meeting, please? We are reconvening from executive session at 9:00 pm. Now we are journeying for the meeting of Germany right now. Okay. I was first. Miss Walsh was second. And now we're on a roll call. Mr. Kushner. I Miss Walsh. This is to adjourn the meeting. Right. Correct. Correct. I Mr. Bower. Hi, Miss Gray um is not here as she uh did not uh participate in executive session as well as Mr. Bower. So, we have no vote for her this evening for adjournment and
060Miss Aldo Burgerer. I All right. It is 9:01 p.m. We are adjourned.