USD 418 Board of Education - Special Meeting - December 1, 2025 at 6:00PM

001Heat. Heat. [music] >> [music] [music] >> I was like, It's just the right brain, left brain. >> Yeah. >> Literally, Kylie taught me how to write. >> Interesting little fact. >> Just relaxing. Okay. Call the meeting to order. Stand for the pledge of >> allegiance. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Anytime. >> Hey, good to see everyone. Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving weekend and we're back for this special meeting to talk about facilities work. Um, couple housekeeping. I had some questions already. You'll see a packet uh that are put together for us. um to help with the exchange conversation um that is out um to gather more information and communication across

002our community. So, if we would all take time to share this with folks who may have not seen the email communication and then the other ways that this has been um pushed out, we have those um for each one of us to share um to help engage um for more information to continue to feed back to us um as and uh thanks to those who um talk to the various folks about what this program can offer and um appreciate your engagement. with passing that information out and answering questions of what what that um exchange communication um bot bubble um of information is. Do you want to say anything to that? >> Yeah, I can actually pull up a couple of things. So one of the key that I want to name what the thought exchange

003was that emerged as an idea that came from actually from the board's uh participation in the KSB convention and I just wanted to provide for you quickly some early feedback um for what has been shared from there. So kind of unique little tool here. It gives you as a board >> preventive. We want to do an approval. >> Oh yes, my do. Thank you. Right into >> appreciate that. We need a motion to approve the agenda. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor say yes. >> Yes. >> And that carries. 70. Thank you. Now we can get into talking about it's not really on the agenda but I want >> it's all related to um facility and continued communication strategies um that >> engagement >> what it allows you to do then

004as a board and what what it's been able to to do is it allows participants to log in and then there's a prompt related to what you know what should the primary focus or what's the top priority for you as the board continues their dialogue and has has this uh continued discussion and then you can have uh folks that can offer ratings then for each each of those and so this came from this emerged from the board's part participation in the KDS convention several members attended that and were able to see this put into action um and uh we were able to bring it here. So just in this in this scenario, what you've been able to do or what you'd be able to see is this is again kind of an initial look and

005it's still collecting feedback is that your top five um priorities that that your community is telling you and then people are giving it various um star ratings and that's causing it to move up out of the 245 thoughts is that creating the best and highest educational experience for our students is what people are ranking as their highest uh takeaway safe and effective learning environments for students is their second um third is top priority should be what is best for students fourth is so these are unique unique individuals in our community posted these this person says I'm looking for longevity how can we get our buildings in shape to provide an educational forward safe beautiful environment for the next 30 s that then received multiple ratings uh in a in a high star rating that causes

006it to kind of trickulate up and then provide you with some some of those additional feedback. So that's open as you can see it's collecting feedback and it just becomes another tool to help inform you on on how you know what is your community identifying what's their feedback and it's been uh positive way to collect feedback. You see those priorities there none of which necessarily surprise you. So, um, as we transition in to tonight's meeting, I'd invite Mr. Cash up to the table and we kind of Do you have anything to pull up? I don't have a presentation. >> We really just wanted to pick up in many ways where [clears throat] we left off at the previous area of dialogue. I would name for the board's sake a couple of things which is that

007um you know and I provided my reflections to you um in an email earlier um the what you have in front of you is a long range plan that that we heard really positive feedback from those involved within it Uh it was a really good process to get community feedback. We've have been able to get different versions and iterations of what the what the uh plan should look like. You heard last week um from Dr. Tomlinson from K12 Excellence that there's certainly indication that you could be successful with a no mill increase. There's actually within that data also reason to believe that we would be able to achieve a modest ask of something up to including potentially as a second question um that the 27 million uh to address the middle school be rec convert

008Eisenhower to a middle school and to uh and to do all the ent the whole high school project really meet all of our district needs. for right around $910 a month for the the median homeowner. So, I know when we left there was a couple of things that Dwayne had and he wanted to make sure some questions about roofing and some things like that. So, we just want to try to help answer any questions that we have. Um, as you further your discussion around the potential of adopting a long range plan and then the the other items that come along with >> Yeah. The only thing that I think that we had a little bit of conversation about, you know, completeness of the plan and what can we get done with the $89.5 million and

009I think I indicated at that time that I thought it was it was a good plan, but at the same time a little thin on some of the dollars we had allocated for deferred maintenance, roofs, HBAC equipment, some of those things as we really tried to squeeze it down into a dollar amount. that uh was pal uh palatable to the community. I think one thing that we really found out through the survey, the the phone survey, and looking back at the past three bond issues, which was kind of telling to me, is option two had a ton of support, which is the basically the bones of the long range plan that I put forward, uh, had a lot of support until you added the dollars, and you all saw that. Um, and it was at

01047%. Um, strongly supported support in that way. So I went back and looked at the we're $89 million the last two bond issues that you presented to the community and you know what was the fail rate on those two was 47%. Um the big difference was they were all that $240 range per year impact. And as you look through the survey and you really ask it what is it really telling us what's the data that we're seeing here is that it is really tied to price sensitivity. the plan is, you know, they're the community is willing to support a plan. They're willing to support a plan that gets as much done as they can. It really is driven by price sensitivity. So, that's what's really different about this plan is we're $89 million uh and

011but we're not at $240 something, we're we're at 109. And that is a huge difference. That's 50%. And every time in that survey you dropped the amount of the funds, you gained about 8 to 12% of support. Um, so I started to look at that and I was asking myself after some of the questions and some of the challenges we had um to the data was is $109 the bottom threshold? Uh should we look at a little bit more to get more done on the deferred maintenance part or the option other option is do we start to look at the list of projects we have identified and start to scale those back as another option one of the two right we ask for more money or we scale back more but uh I just want

012to be clear that what I'm concerned about is because I think right now the plan we have and the data that we see is this is a, you know, a plan that most likely the committee is going to support. I feel pretty strongly about that. Um, but at what price point? What, you know, how far can we push that dollar amount? There's a psychological piece of this equation, too. Right now, we're at $910. That, you know, $9 a month, $109 a year feels more approachable to a lot of people. And once you get over that $10 mark, that starts to trick a little, you know, a little bit of a something in their head and think, "Oh, that's that's a little bit more." Uh, so I I don't know if it's really smart to, you

013know, ask for more. Uh, but at the same time, I do feel like we need to be really careful about what we're saying we're going to be able to deliver and then really deliver. Does that make sense? Um, so that was one of the the conversations we had the last time. Uh there was the conversation about the storm shelters. Is that something that we want to save almost $5 million by deferring that potentially? And that would make the plan feel much better to get more of the deferred maintenance done if we kept that amount but cut that scope because it your to Sher's point it wasn't something the community said we got to have these. It was something that as architects we felt was a good thing to do as preparity, but we didn't see

014a ton of support for or clamoring for it. So, there's that and there's some other things that we could look at potentially uh to do. But, I do feel like the plan that we have um especially if we ask it in two questions, uh sets us up for success in a in a way. So, I I don't know if that answered any questions or if you have more questions after that. Rough. What? Roofs. >> Roofs. >> Yeah. >> Sorry. Rough. Yeah. Sorry. Can >> roofs I think uh would be around the range of $3 to $5 million. Depends how we do what kind of membrane we use. What? Do a complete [clears throat] tear off. We're just putting a new membrane on top. Uh we've got about $200,000 of roofs that need attention. High school.

015Uh it's about 200,000 square feet right now, but we're going to replace a big chunk of that in the new construction that that's already baked in the construction number. So there's some, you know, about half that roof needs to replace still. Uh Eisenhower needs to be replaced and Washington needs to replace or Lincoln and Roosevelt are in the B range. They could probably need to be maintained a little bit and some some dollars put to, but I would not recommend this time those projects. At what point will those other buildings need new roofs? >> Well, I think that's where you make it into that long range. You know, capital dollars. You start putting capital dollars away to to plan for that. But I think it's a maintenance plan. You can maintenance those for a long

016time before they become critical. You know what we've been doing a lot on these roses is a coating. They put a protective coating on it. They warrant it for another 10 years. Get you to buy it for a long time. But then it gives you a chance to save your dollars to plan for that complete. You do one in 5 years, you do the next one in seven years or something like that. Yep. But we'd work with a a company to help us lay that plan out. >> You in a previous [clears throat] meeting, you have said that the community will pass a bond issue if they support the plan. >> Yep. >> And I say from the input that we're getting, we're not in agreement [clears throat] on what the plan is yet. I

017I would say we're 57% yes to the this plan as the the the scientific survey would say that they are in support of that. >> Of 500 people that you [clears throat] surveyed though >> we're talking a community of 14,000 with an average of 4,000 to 5,000 voters. >> Mhm. >> So I still feel like that number is relatively low. I would add that you know uh excellence K12 has been doing this for a long time and when I looked at some things this is also how they look up polling numbers for politics and so 500 is a robust number for a community of 14,000 to get scientifically verified responses. So I [clears throat] I feel good about that number of 500. >> I was also concerned there's 235 of the people that were pulled

018in that that do not and have not had children in our district. That was also kind of just a a statistic that I seen that kind of stood out to me. >> They are voters, >> buters and they are taxpayers, right? And so they matter like >> Oh, absolutely. >> I would imagine we have I mean what what is our percentage of people that vote that don't have kids in the district? >> I vote my kids are not currently in the district, >> but they've gone through the district. Yeah. >> So my question to you is is the plan more important or a dollar ceiling? >> I think it's both to be honest with you. I think the plan is very important because I think also in the survey you saw that they want to

019be listened to. They want to be heard but they also want to be acknowledged that you're u and this is the plan that that there most most people are supporting. Uh there's a big contingency that would like to have a brand new high school. they will not support the dollar amount that comes from that. That was clear. [clears throat] >> Uh there's some that would be okay with the the $50 million, you know, just do the bare and bare minimum kind of a thing, but it was not strong. >> So, I think there's a there's a really strong feeling that that plan in that general form is a good plan. >> We've tweaked it since we had that survey, right? It's not the exact same we presented them with, but it's generally the same. So

020your way around that is to put two issues on the same bond vote. >> I I would recommend to and this is why I think that uh it gives the opportunity if the second one does not if they do not support the second one. It gives you an idea why and what the second plan might be to give you another opportunity. But it also gives you something to say they will pass. I believe uh they with no tax increase it was really strong numbers. Uh so I believe that will pass and that will give the opportunity for me first to show that you deliver continue on your promises and deliver on promises and build that faith back and that trust back that we know that the survey also said that that was an issue for

021the community. Um but I think that with the right dollar amount the whole thing would pass. I just don't want to. To somebody's point last time, this is the same amount that we just asked for twice and it fell by 47%. And that scares concerns me that that would be if you put all your eggs in that one basket, you might get that same result again just because of the the historical nature of that. >> I just want to interject real quick as the superintendent. I think for me what I see as being significantly better and I I give a lot of praise to this board and to the team at ids is for roughly the same amount though as those two previous there's a significantly more affordable option that would go to our voters

022and there's a lot more getting done than the previous 88 and I think that that has come [clears throat] through the right kind of direction this board has offered to the whole team, the work that you've done, Dwayne, with your team and to be able to bring this forward. I just to me that's where I've seen a significant because I've thought about this dollar amount difference too. And I think the big difference there is when combined you're getting all of your issues addressed. Elementaryaries get reconfigured like they needed. Your middle school gets addressed and your high school gets addressed. And that's not something that we could have said in the previous ones. Not saying I just wanted to interject that from a dollar. Uh couple of things is [clears throat] so at the time we

023were surveying you know we had this information from our community [clears throat] committee but we have added some new variables and these variables are starting to be understood redistricting union I I don't think we should underestimate how emotional people are and attached to the buildings that they're accustomed to, whether that's any of the elementary sites. We do good things at all of those. Um, staff reductions to save money is going to be significant. So, it seems like we've added into our conversation since the surveying, since your planner plan some variables that I'm concerned, particularly on the second question. Um, just those in itself, the uncertainty of that could could make that fail. >> I think the I feel pretty solid with the first question. I think that because these new variables are not disrupting that

024plan like they would the second plan. >> So I I think we have a lot to answer, you know, within our community. We have some recommendations about which site or that those are going to be emotional for our families and for our our our community. is that I guess in your experience with this, you know, when we're talking about just construction and bond proposals, we've also added in some other huge elements here that make me very uncomfortable about that second question. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that um I don't disagree at all. I think that that is a very emotional topic, [clears throat] >> but I don't think from the online survey that I just got earlier today, ton of time to look at it, really dive dive dive into it, but the staff are

025worried. They're concerned. And I think that there's a lot of work there to be done to explain the plan and what is going to happen, how this affects them, cuz they're worried about their building culture and they're worried about their job. They're worried about, you know, where will I be? Will I lose the person I really like working with? Well, there's a lot of unknowns there. So, the sooner that we can answer those questions in a definitive way, it will put a lot of that to ease. I think that that needs to be done pretty decisively and pretty clearly. I know it's a tough decision. I know it's really a hard decision and there's a lot of uh feelings about it in the community. Uh but I think if you adopt a long range plan,

026you say this is the plan that we've heard from the community that we want to go this direction and it makes the most sense longterm from McFersonen, then we make this hard choice and take the emotion out of the bond. I think it will help sooner than later. I But if it goes on, it will become a a factor for sure. >> And there are going to be families that are going to not be happy about it. There are going to be staff that are not going to be happy about it. There just will be. Um, but the community sees the benefits of going to three buildings cost savings. So, the community sees the logic of using it for Eisenhower as the middle school long term. They see that and I think that's shown in

027the survey results. >> Can I >> what? Well, what online survey did you get? >> He's referring to the original or the online from Dr. Tomlinson. I just got that email just before. >> So, you got that before we did, so we don't see those. >> I have it in my inbox as well. I just haven't been able to bring it forward. I guys it's it's 6:00 and I was in actually the meeting that I was in when I received it was talking to your elementary teachers and I can tell you to echo something that Dr. or that Mr. Cash just shared is that um speaking with them today there's a there's an understanding again to that point that was made there is that no not everybody loves the idea nobody nobody loves the idea

028of transitioning from four to three. There's starting to be better clarity and understanding that talking to them about this being a transition plan or talking about the long range plan being for Eisenhower be converted to the middle school so that that resolves your middle school there seems seems to be clarity around that. The feedback that I heard directly from them to the point is when asked what would be the thing that could help you the most and they said clarity sooner rather than later. Somebody explicitly said afterwards if you want to if you wanted to help Eisenhower out today this is direct quote we would ask that you take action tonight just so that way we know. So I'm not encouraging the board necessarily to pursue it in that manner, but there is this is

029not un this is not not being discussed. These clar this is your team knows about this and the the more that we can give them clarity on a direction moving forward, the better off they're going to be and the more likely to that point we'll be able to start addressing a continued concerns. Where am I going to be? What am I going to be doing? Who's going to be my principal? Who's my clap? who's my teammates going to be? All of those things will start to be able to provide that clarity. >> So with that, we make a decision that just we decide that we're going to move forward with Eisenhower becoming a middle school. We offer that as question two and it fails. What do we do next fall? you know, operationally, we can

030move forward. If question one passed, we would start, I'm assuming, everything related to construction at the high school, but how do we operate? Uh, we need we need some of that money to transition these facilities. So, what would that you I don't want to be a naysayer, but I want to be realistic. If momentum were to move with that negativity because of redistricting, I'm going to have to send my kids somewhere else. I don't like this. I don't want a middle school at that location. When some of that reality starts to flow and we can't do it, what do we do? What what is our plan there? That that makes me anxious. I hate to see uh Eisenhower vacated and just sitting with no use for a while, but can we operate in the other

031three elementaryaries without having some money to make them safe and secure and some of the things that we need to do there as far as the cycle? I mean, the long range plan looks good. I don't I commend that for we know we need to deal these but if we fail what's the soonest we could come back around and ask again and what what is that time frame what is our statutory rules what are the requirements do we have to wait a year what what is what is that >> if if you don't mind I'd like to try to answer that at least on our perspective so if you can imagine that you took so if you if you were to approve the long range plan which shows was Eisenhower being converted to a middle

032school. You were to make a determination that there was a bond uh election for the second ballot and it was successful. We we will start January. Well, by the I mean sooner than January, we'll already start transitioning our plans to start making the transition so that we can start notifying. Number one, we'd engage we'd bring back a recommendation to engage with RSP to start a boundary study. We would start working on our on our uh district level leadership team to start looking at how we would staff those locations. We would look at what classroom locations would look like across those other three buildings. That's going to start as soon as you take action in December. If it was unsuccessful in March, then the board would have if it was unsuccessful in March, you we would

033already be planning on in that scenario Eisenhower not be being not being used. And probably the first thing I would think is we know we've had a property here that we've talked about for a long time that would need that needs to be we could live shortterm. Uh we could transition our resources over there. We would continue to utilize Eisenhower in some manner. But my encouragement for the board is whatever the decision is, once you do that, we're going to start executing that irregardless of the bond. And I think that that also sends a message if we're committed to the long range plan, we're also committed to then bring that being utilized in this scenario as a middle school moving forward. Does that make sense? >> I [clears throat] appreciate what you're saying, but I

034also appreciate what Jeff is saying. >> I want to be clear. I appreciate what all is being asked >> the elementary schools >> and [clears throat] it's not in there. >> Do what? >> The the other elementaryaries is only in the middle school option. We don't have it in the first option. And if god forbid you don't pass a first bond issue, much less the second, what work still needs done and how are we going to cover that? So, a good question might be is could the board want to consider what question one really is and do you want to include some enhancements? Now, you're not middle rate neutral, but that's a different discussion. >> Well, but we could because you could be you could pull things out of the first question. Do you have

035the ability to pull that back up from last time? >> I'm trying to remember what there. >> So, we've got $4 million. These are rough figures. We've got $4 million that we're going to pay off rents and leases. we've got 1.5 or 1.7 million we were going to use for athletics. Do we take those options and push them into option two or question two and we pull the elementary the 5 million that we needed to do the elementarymentaries up into question one. So now we've got the high school the elementaryaries into it. We're still staying within the 62.5 million. So we're still staying mill rate neutral. But the other stuff, which I'm gonna say optional at this point, would move into question two. That way, if it doesn't pass, we know it's still something we

036need or more that we want, not necessarily a need at that point. But we're addressing the elementarymentaries, we're addressing the high school. If you combine the if you combine the renovate renew their current high school and the um elementary schools that is 70 million >> um >> well you pull out >> but that's before you make any cuts >> right I was saying you cut out >> what we don't need so the storm shelters can go >> obviously you need to look at the secure entrances I mean Lincoln's got one that's makeshift Roosevelt does need one but you could start moving things and playing with the numbers to get back to that middle rate neutral. But I I agree. I don't think putting the elementary in with the middle schools is a smart choice. >>

037And I also feel strongly that having an option one that addresses one building and putting every other building contingent on option two doesn't really serve the majority of the students in the community. And I on that note, I also struggle with closing Eisenhower because we're contingent on using the middle school and moving that to Eisenhower. Well, if the community votes number two down and says no, that clearly states they don't want the middle school at Eisenhower and now we've disclosed a completely good building. I struggle with with closing a completely good building >> regardless. I still I'm siding with we only have 16 classrooms at Eisenhower. The thing that I would remind you is this is and this has been caught somehow mis this often gets misinterpreted along the way. This long range plan is

038what our community we invited hundreds of people. They showed up. They represent others. They provided feedback on what they wanted. Isn't that a true statement? >> I think so. And so partially I I just for me the long range plan is reflective of what those in our community said was how to best solve this this issue. I'm not saying that as both as those who have to make decisions at the table. You don't obviously have a multitude of things to do but to consider but I do think it's worth reminding ourselves that we followed a really good process that we had a lot of really good feedback on. It's through that process that we were told Eisenhower should become the future middle school. We didn't just come up with that. That was community's idea. >>

039It was community's idea. >> Um to me, the key is long range. >> Long range. >> I think we need to figure out what we can get done right now and know in the future that we'll have to do some more. >> We'll have to do some more. I'm concerned. We got to get this next bond issue passed. If that means less money, we work with that cuz if this one doesn't go, I don't know what that says. We've already got a lot of staff and parents upset about what we're talking about now. But if we can't get a bond issue passed to start the process, we won't have any trust. >> What other community or school programs do we have now that are in different places? such as Strive, such as MC Kids, >>

040Strive, MC Kids, T3, >> Early Childhood, they'll be vacated, >> they have to move, >> central office, special education cooperative, >> alternative school, >> so in my mind, why would we, if let's just say option two doesn't pass, why would we think that Eisenhower is going to sit empty? That's I think my point is there's no way that such a key asset wouldn't go into like we have to be cognizant of the fact that we won't not use that facility. >> We won't not use that facility. >> Yeah. I want to be really careful that we're not saying language that a building's just going to sit because a decision isn't made on a bone. We have plenty of need for multiple things all at the same time. and you'd have an opportunity to vacate, for

041example, this building which was a part of the discussion and has continued to be and then could be marketed and sold and that revenue could help support other updates and things as well. I have a I have a question with all of that. Um a very concerning question u I think for me hearing this which is great brainstorming and problem solving. Um, but I'm not quite a fan without seeing something more descriptive of a short-term plan inside the long-term plan of what I just heard like all of these kids strive, you know, T3 moving to Eisenhower and then we have to move them again. I'm I'm thinking about the impact that has on staff, students, um, whatever other pieces we haven't talked about yet. So, if that is a direction that we're going, I'd like

042to see more development and understanding of that um reality because that's a two-tiered or a three- tiered depending on what iteration I'm hearing. So, maybe that's a knee-jerk reaction to what I was hearing and it's just a thought process. Lar, I think the the thing that also to take into consideration in that um vein is that if if you choose not to name Eisenhower, let's say, and we say that that we're going to not close that one, we're going to close something else, and then you redistrict the community and then it passes, now you're redistricting twice. I think that is way more disruptive and more displacement. uh using Eisenhower short-term for those programs because we're talking two years before the construction's done. Right? So, we have more opportunity to if it number two does not

043pass, they don't support it, we'll understand why, what were they uh against uh and be able to go back in that time frame to I think to just question you can go back in August or November of that year, but you can't do both. You can do one or the other. You gota I think it's six 90 days or something between boats or something like that. Six months maybe. >> Yeah. So you could but I think that's why it's another reason to break it out into two questions to find out really where the community stands on it. Do they really support this as much as we think they do? Cuz that will tell us one way or another. And then that gives us an opportunity to go back to them and say what is it

044about it you did not like? And they might say I think you went too short. they it should be the 56 78 plan you know that you went too small they could say that we just don't like this idea at all we don't know uh because they haven't been presented with that data completely but if if to Chelsea to your point or to anybody else's I think there is opportunity to to squeeze some things at the high school to get some other things at the other buildings now at least the security entrances and some of those building updates at the elementary schools would be you know something that would be um but that means you have to cut something, right? >> I don't see how we can't get 3 million from the remodel secure interestes

045and elementary building updates and put the rest of the lease purchase payoffs on question two or part of the athletics. >> Am I okay with what impact it is? >> I'm not okay with lease purchases. We have had a history of not having the ability to follow a maintenance plan. If we do not get that lease purchase off of there, we are right here. We are trying to do a little bit here and a little bit there and we're not doing anything. Well, I'm not okay with that. I'm okay with the safe and secure interestes and taking off sports uh place. >> I'm not saying take it off permanently. I'm saying put it on option two. It's still on a bond issue. It's just on the second portion. I don't think it's it's an option

046for me as a board member. We need maintenance long term and we need to be able to take care of whatever we do well. That's a commitment that I think that I mean I know I want to say that I worked hard to um do with this community. So what are you going to do? You've got a community out there that says no. They don't want to do that. And that's the one thing that prevents them from voting yes on fixing the high school and the elementary schools is because they refuse to pay off the athletic field. >> Then they're saying no to long-term maintenance. >> No. Well, they're saying no to I don't want to pay for the field. But I want to support the high school on the field. >> I would love

047for us to try and fund raise some more to get that done so that we can have restrooms out there for our people while memories are made in a second type of classroom with our kids because that field, a lot of good things are happening there. A lot of community members are very pleased with that. We need bathrooms, you know, concession stand. I don't know. Like, I mean, it sounds like we need that, but I know we need bathrooms. Maybe we can fund raise for that. >> No, I was on that capital committee to spend uh raise the million dollars plus >> to do the things we did and they're not interested in doing anymore. >> I understand that. >> That's a responsibility of the district. >> I hear you, Perry. >> And that is

048the responsibility. It might not be that group, you know, who knows what the possibilities are, but I'm with you. But I'm not, as a board member, I am not interested in not paying off our lease purchases. >> I agree. >> We cannot get a long-term maintenance plan to care for the new things and the things we currently have. Well, >> and the thing we talked about also in continuing with the lease purchases, that's taking money away from capital outlay, right? Every year, every year. And I'm not I'm not interested in not doing the roofs. Like we need to start caring. What's your plan? >> That's the top of everything up here. Everything's under that. And so, you know, I personally I like what we have here. Um I know the whole community doesn't. I know

049that there's we're not going to make everybody happy. I understand what you're saying, Jeff. I love what you said, Larara, that you know what would be helpful is if we had option B. If it doesn't pass, this is our in between the long range. But the long range is we know we need a new high school and a new middle school. Those problems are not going away and we need to do it well and we need to take care of the ones that we invest in. >> Well, as long as you're talking money, nobody's talked very much about one $1.5 million we're going to save by abandoning the current middle school. If option two doesn't get approved, we'll be saddled with the middle school another couple years. >> Yes, >> I can't lose that. We

050got to close that now. That man and a half a year is huge. That goes on forever. I want to pull that number back up. I I want to be careful. I the numbers I showed also reflect salaries. So whatever expense I just that some of that amount will move, but in terms of one of your most critical sites, there's significant savings in property insurance. There's significant savings in ongoing maintenance. There's significant savings in the future where you're no longer using that that site. So I'll have to look back at those numbers. But I to the point my [clears throat] point I'm trying to make is I don't know that I would I don't want to go be on record saying it's a million and a half just by moving away from that building. But

051it is substantial. >> Well, and we have a good chance of probably selling that property. >> And the property in its own right is an basically an entire city block that would be prime real estate blocks long and one block wide. So if we come back and let's say option number two doesn't I keep saying option two I can do that question two doesn't pass and people are no they clearly don't want it we ask what is a contingency plan for going with the middle school are we going to look at options of putting the middle school somewhere else or are we going to bring it back to the community and hope that they change their minds [clears throat] >> we haven't even explored different options of what a middle school somewhere else on the

052side of the high school we redo the high school we're going to have ample space at the high school site where we could potentially put the middle school. Why could we not build it? Have them come in through North High Drive. Have the high school come in. Two reasons. One, the community had strong opposition to that a few years ago. Strong opposition. People did not want middle school kids on the same campus with high school kids. I thought it was a brilliant idea. I thought we can consolidate a lot. People were not emotionally comfortable with that. There was a lot about traffic and congestion. And the other thing is is you're talking building a brand new middle school which will be a tax increase of around $300 to $400 a year. >> But we do

053you know what that's going to be? I asked >> it' be $45 million the minimum probably. >> Is that including a stadium and all of that or is that just a building? >> Just a building and parking and infrastructure >> For a new middle school and [clears throat] right now we're getting a new middle school for 20. And we did ask the question and one of our options early options was that exact option. We asked the committee, do you support and there was no support for that [clears throat] surp I don't believe that Eisenhower is the best option and the best place to go. >> I believe that the community didn't support the middle school and the high school being on the same site this round. >> I don't think it was talked about enough

054or presented enough to even discuss it in my opinion. I don't recall that even being I was at one of the meetings. I wasn't able to go to all two or all three of them. Was it was it discussed? >> Absolutely. It's discussed and I was at each meeting. It was discussed um at pretty good length uh of the initial response and my recollection. I'd have to go back in my notes cuz I [clears throat] took lots of notes. But that initial was like, "Oh, that would be." But then when you got into hearing and seeing what that felt like to folks that were there, that was too much to put a seventh grader um in that same space was I don't know what basically what I was hearing. >> Yeah, we asked the poll

055question and we asked them, you know, multiple options and that was one of the ones that got no traction, very little >> and it was 120 people out of 14,000. Again I'm saying that the relative numbers that we're we're saying the people that we pulled then why did we pull anyone very small pools >> representative [clears throat] sample it was scientifically reliant >> I don't think the community ones were >> I feel like the plan that we're looking at most closely resembles option three however it does not include safety and security of the elementary schools So what we have the most support for and the reason why we're targeting mil levy neutral is because of the resounding support that goes all the way to option three. But option three as presented included portions of the

056hex and safety and security of all elementary schools. That's what we had support of. And so I think we are making a mistake to look at a separation. I understand you're talking about people's tolerance for what they can afford and what they're comfortable affording, but that's also what are they getting for that? And so we presented, hey, we'll fix the high school. We'll do safety and security levy neutral. Cool. Do that. Option two, less support, but we said we would be doing a whole lot more than what we're discussing right now. >> So, Sher, you're saying that if we did uh secure entrances at Roosevelt and Lincoln, move those down to the high school to option three, Mily Neutral, and move something out of there. You think that would closely resemble what we presented to

057our community? >> That's that's what I'm after. I'm concerned about moving the elementary schools to an option two when our mil levy neutral included safety and security and safety and security was very high in in the topic of conversation for what our community is asking of us. And to put that in option two and then say well we know why it didn't pass or anything else. It feels like we're >> so move athletics to middle school to our second question and move safety and security down. >> I mean, that's what we asked. That's what we offered and we aren't >> offering that with this plan. >> I don't like it, but I can support it. >> I understand what you're saying, but >> but that's all you're doing at the elementaryaries is just the safe

058and secure entrances. You're not doing anything to accommodate for the extra kids that are coming in. We have What do we mean? We have buildings that are underutilized. >> Well, I don't know. We've got $4 million up there that says we need it plus another $1.6 million that needs to go into the elementary. So, >> how can kids for furniture for carpet for wall updates because the sound um they just it's just not conducive. Those things are the things that kids are learning in right now. Um we know we want them done, but they're not high on the priority list. we think about what has to be done. I am comfortable with having those on opt on on our ballot question two and putting that in a long range plan. We know they have to

059be done. They don't have to necessarily be done right now for us to function well. What I'm hearing right now is there's nothing passed even this board. Nothing. We might as well not even take a vote if we can't have you, you know, everybody supporting the decision that's made for to a 70 consent. Then what are we wasting our time for? I think we have to come to some consensus and we all have our prejudices, our biases. Can we set any of those aside and go with something else? You know, can we go around the table and say, "Okay, what what's your plan? What would you like? Let's see. Chelsea, yours. Share yours. Bill, yours, Rebecca, Jeff, me. What you know, what would we hear?" Perry, I don't I don't I mean I I appreciate

060that because you're wise and I value that in you, but I think we're trying to figure it out here. I don't think that we're not in unity. I think that this is where iron sharp iron sharpens iron. And so we're trying to figure out what is best, not who's right. I would hope. Yes. >> Right. Yes. And so, and I think I would hope and I can tell you as a board member, whatever the plan is, whatever the vote is, whether I thought it was the exact thing that we should be doing, I will commit and champion it out in our community because I believe in this board and I believe we're doing the right work. >> And you got to remember, this is really the first time we've had a discussion like this as

061a board. We spent six months gathering information. Now, the ball's in our court. We got to make sense of that information. come with a united proposal. >> And that's what I've told the community too through emails. You know, communities think that we probably have a lot of meetings on the side. We do not. We come here and do this and this is important. And so, yes, we're passionate about it and we have some things that we're really uh afraid to move on. But I think this is valuable discussion. Wonder if it would be beneficial to take a moment to reset and each of us just write down non-negotiables and items that are that are musts at this point based in our conversation. Maybe it's not time for that, but it might be really beneficial to

062individually write down some of these musts, get clarification. Mr. cash is right here, you know, if there's things and then we reather while we're here and say, "Okay, this is my list without Chelsea, what do you think?" You know, not that we can't then come back and talk about why are these my rankings of what we're hearing and what we've been presented and what we're hearing. We all have different um and some of the same uh but different people that are reaching out to us also that are informing the conversation. Um, I think we have a responsibility to our district and our community to make some decisions whatever way that's going to be sooner than later. Also, >> we've also paid a lot of dollars, a lot of studies, >> a lot of studies >>

063and ideas and plans. Now that there's something up there that is coming as a recommendation, we're starting to pick it apart. I can tell you that I can vote for this as it is with two two I mean, I can tell you that right now. And so that's where I'm at. And I don't like moving things around because there's wins and losses to all of that. I do love what you said, Lara. I would believe next time's our work session would be if the bond doesn't pass for option two this time. Here's how that will look in the next 2 to 3 years so that our community has clarity and that we're utilizing our resources. Well, I think that's a great insight and I think that's what you were saying, Jeff. I'm not sure that's

064Dwayne's job to answer for us. >> I would like to ask one other question. When we first started this, I remember you had 42 million for fixing up the high school. Why did it balloon so much? >> I think that was construction at that. We're at 45 now. So, I think we're still pretty much in line. We got a little bit bigger, too. >> So, are those where's the other 20 not even going now? >> Well, as you can see, it's um there's >> you can't click. So, $3.5 million for the building updates inside the building. >> Okay. >> Um, another million. I just moved that. Um, so I had $1.7 million for athletics. The demo hexagon, $750,000. The lease purchase was a big one, $4.6. Uh, that was a big one that we did

065not have planned for before. Um, and then we got to make sure we have the soft cost and cover fixtures, furniture, and equipment. They're going to need stuff to operate the building. So, I think that's >> What about the safe rooms for the elementary? Is that included in that? >> Not in that number. No, that's in the elementary school number above. >> Bill, nobody asked for those. >> I mean, we haven't heard anybody in the community say they wanted those. And so, and I love that that is, you know, architecturally this is, you know, the way of the future and what we should be thinking about. If we were building a brand new building, we would be. But to me that's just not and I've never heard anybody through our board discussions you know reach

066out and email and say hey you know it is important to us that you keep that conversation on the table. Heaven forbid we don't ever you know have a an event where we look back and but we've gone a lot of years. Um so is there anything we can do on the soft cuts soft costs? I would cut that. >> I mean, that's 11 million right there. >> And you used every bit of it. >> We don't know. So, what's it going to be used for? That's the other question that they're going to ask. >> It's fees, permits, testing, um, consultants, other consultants. That' be specialist consultants, and then fixtures, furniture, and equipment >> to do it right. And well, >> yep. 15% is the industry standard. A lot of people will say 20. 15.

067I think 15's on that. Like I said, this is skinny. It's skinny everywhere. And like and going back to your point, the storm shelter is $4.2 million. I would love to sink that $4.2 million in deferred maintenance >> and remodels >> and roofs. >> Yep. 100%. I would feel much more comfortable about this plan if that was the case somewhere. Five. I would love to have 10. I think 10 would be great, but again, I think we need to get something people will pass and support. I think the where numbers we're at right now that will happen. >> And I know I mean >> if you move athletics out, I don't see any problem with that at all. I think that gives a a section of the community who would support option two or question

068two now because that's where they get their athletics. It's a reason for them to say yes. Now, I think there's some there's some good advantages to that. There's advantages to a lot of these things if you move things around or whatever, but the I think the core plan is still what the community told us that they want. >> Question on that 7,000 for the rental for the concession. It was that an annual price. So in terms of our overall that's very small to to maintain that if that's the wish of the board to remove that at this point and and plan in the long you know as the stairstepping. I wondered if we couldn't fund raise with some of our our um >> corporations our industry over over some of that like that's where my

069mind went. I get it that our that that committee did well and they worked hard and they accomplished much. Um, and I understand that they're like, "We're good now." >> And I don't like operating with a half big facility out there. >> I hear you. >> Ask Shane Bakus how he likes it. >> I hear you. >> Ask the high school how they like. >> I hear you. >> Community and secure interest. It's not ideal, but in prioritizing the the the must of our educational um facilities, I I do just offer that as a point of conversation >> and listening to the community on the top floor that Dr. Vincent showed, not a single one said anything about sports or athletics. It was all safety and security of our children. >> Why did we build

070that facility in the first place? >> Where were we going to play if we didn't? we were leaving the college. >> There's there's no criticism occurring over the hard work that was placed into what we have. >> I understand that. >> But prioritizing and having to make some priorities is kind of where we're at. >> And >> yeah, but being fiscally responsible to the community and putting the money where the community is telling us to put the money is different than what we need to put. Where are they telling us to put them >> into safe and security for our children? >> A new high school and a middle school. >> That was >> And they do say high school and they do say middle school. >> They say high school. They say middle school.

071They say safety. >> Do we need storm shelters? >> No. >> Think so. But we need two entrances at our at our elementaryaries, right? Cuz Washington's Okay. So, if you took out the concession stand, >> so I want to clarify that because I that was asked last time. The $7,000 is for a concession stand, not toilets. The restrooms is the need at the high school, not concession stand necessarily. And restrooms are, I think, a safety and security issue. Personally, you know, if you're in a place and you don't have a restroom, you got to go there and you can't, I deal to me. So clarify that >> about a million dollars what what it takes to build a proper building you can maintain and have for a long time a concession stand toilet building restroom

072building with the electrical service >> combining the two. >> It's basically one building. Yeah. If you're going to build it, you might as well put the concession stand. It's the cheapest part, right? >> So what's the other 500,000? >> More seats. There needs to be more seats at the building at the high school. Okay. At the Bible stage. >> More bleachers. More bleachers. still play varsity in there. >> I love I I love it. I mean, I think we need that stuff and I think it's important. So, hear me, Perry. I'm not a sports person. Like, I think we need bathrooms. I a concession stand is a good idea if we can put them together and we obviously need more seating. Not against that. I think there's many in the community who agree with that.

073They spend a lot of time out there with their families. Could we would you be open to moving that to the second option on the ballot and moving the safe secure entrances for Mc for Lincoln and Roosevelt to the >> doesn't matter particularly okay to me other than the fact that you know people I've heard were extremely grateful that the money was raised and we could put in bleachers press box and all of that. Now, when are we going to finish it? >> When are we going to finish it? >> That's the next question. >> Yeah. >> When are we going to finish it? >> Yeah. >> So, >> and and it's in our long range plan. Like, I don't think we're walking away from that. >> Well, things get deferred and deferred. >> Well,

074I'd like to suggest we follow up with Laura's recommendation. [clears throat] We'd sit down two or three things we feel that the bond has to include. Go around the table and share that and see where we are. >> What does that mean? I I don't This is what we've come to. So, I guess I'm I'm lost. Like, what am I not willing to What are you asking? I I was just trying to read all of what I was hearing and it sounded like we were in different configurations of what we have presented up there and what the community a a portion of our community has told us because we haven't heard from everyone and we will never hear from everyone like on this. Um so I just wondered if it would help to write them

075down and say these are my non-negotiables. I just want the plan to reflect what we told the community the plan was for mil levy neutral and >> that's your bottom line and may not be everybody that's what I think Laura's trying to get at >> right I already stated by we got to close that middle school we got to have that savings a year from now the Kansas legislator is going to have a new school funding front we have no idea what that's going to mean for us if we don't have our own house in order fiscally. >> Bill, I hear you and I think this plan addresses closing that middle school >> when >> only if it passes. If question two doesn't pass then we So we're back making me crazy. >> This plan

076addresses closing the middle school if it passes. So if you're like if it passes So if if if we're going to take that off the table because it might not pass, what's the next option? That's what we that's what I want to know. What is a contingency plan? If option number two does not pass, what they hear from Bill, when you say we have to close the middle school, that's your non-negotiable. What does that look like at the ballot in March? >> If you're going with the 65 million, the one that's revenue neutral, right? >> Yeah. >> You got to have enough money to fix up the high school plus add whatever you're going to do with Eisenhower, so that the middle school can move up there. >> Cannot do that. You cannot >> cannot

077afford it within any of those options. >> 20 million out of the high school is good. >> But then we're doing >> over building the high school. >> See, there's where we are. That's why I think your suggestion would be a [clears throat] good one. What other issues are out there that some of us hadn't shared? >> And honest thoughts on buildings. Nobody's really talked about their honest thoughts on keeping or not keeping buildings. It does feel like we should be having that conversation first and voting. >> We've got this whole list of pros and cons. We haven't even >> There's pros and cons to all four of your elementarymentaries. If you were making decisions in a vacuum, one of them would be the one that you'd close. If you're making it with a thoughtful

078long-term approach, the one that you would take action on would be Eisenhower. That's the reality that's in front of this group. I don't like any of the realities that we're facing, but I shared that this this afternoon with our team, with our elementary team, the the thoughtful long range approach to ensuring to Bill's point that you've got a a middle school solution for almost pennies on the dollar, you you I'm going to say it this way, and Dwayne, you tell me if you agree. You will not be able to go out and find a middle school that you can build in for 19 million. >> No way. >> But this community has an option to do that for 19 million. That's awesome. That's amazing. That's a that's a part of the long-term approach. And it

079can't happen without Eisenhower being the one. >> So if you were making it in isolation, it'd probably be again if it was in a vacuum, >> it wouldn't be >> some would it wouldn't be Eisenhower, >> right? >> But it's not in a vacuum. It's in the long-term approach. That's what you that is what we've been tasked with. And so the challenge then becomes is one of the things that I actually think is an important thing to note and draw out of this discussion that is a positive. It seems clear that to me based on the conversation that a two question ballot is something that this whole board is considering and that's a positive thing. The other thing I'd like to point out is Arc City just passed a two question ballot. So we keep

080talking about it as though well do we want to frontload one with this you know question one and then well what happens then if it doesn't there's been communities that have passed Robert Washburn has just finished up a significant amount of their work guess what they did they got it done on a two bond question so there's there are a lot of ways to be successful and I think it's a positive in this discussion that the two questions is how it's being resolved I think for me as I just kind of reiterate where [clears throat] we're at is there's really no more economic way to right size. We know that we need to transition from four elementaryaries to three. This le this plan that's in front of us leverages the the fourth one as the

081key asset and that's why Eisenhower becomes the one that makes the most sense. And while and I want to be clear, I've got four children at Eisenhower. I understand the emotions of it. I understand the emotions of it on all angles. It's uh but again, there's pros and cons here. Just for your knowledge, I placed those there. We pulled those together as we had our discussion. I wanted you to be able to see those same ones. >> What was the renovation cost of the middle school >> to renovate it? It's like 25 million maybe something like that. I can't remember what we came up with uh to kind of get it back to a kind of just baseline. No major improvements. Felt like that's what it was. >> There's your contingency plan. >> Could potentially

082be a contingency plan if that they don't vote it. I mean, you dump >> more on it. >> Five more million into renovating it. Where do we cut that out to get it back down to 19 million? I'm just these are >> math doesn't math. So what do so we take it to so it doesn't pass off ballot question two. So next time we go out to the community and say do you want to build at Eisenhower or do you want us to reinvest in the middle school and then give them two ballot options there. I still don't like the idea of closing Eisenhower. I still think it's one of our best schools productivity and building wise. >> I hear you. So, I just can't close it based on a long range plan that I

083can't guarantee is going to be the actual plan cuz we might have to go some other direction >> in our long range plan. Doesn't it say we want to eventually get to a 58 site up there? >> That's in our plan is it? >> That's what you initially started out with and then we got the push back and said, "Well, let's make it 68 >> with the idea that 10 20 years from now you could add the fifth grade up there [clears throat] and maybe by that time our enrollment is down. You'd get by with two elementary back up and we need to put our fifth graders out there. Yeah. >> You're dreaming there. >> Um >> we're allowed to dream, but we have two things we're doing. We're we're looking at the very immediate

084short term and this 10year, you know, what what's it look so that we set up for for success long term. Like we have both. And maybe that's where the tension is is we don't have that crystal ball um to be able to facilitate what's that 10 year from today look like um for some of us in in this and how the community will handle. >> I guess I would come back to what I was started with what I was saying. I this plan there may be parts of it like I'm not particularly fond of Eisentow becoming a middle school but if that's community direction I can understand that if if we have assurance of support we we started this whole process with we really need to to pass a successful bond and at one point

085it was even if it was something small to get this path. So I think your two question approach would pass a smaller part of it that would be successful and with some tweaking I think that first question would pass. My question is we need to do the second part of this that getting us up to 89 million but with the variables that we just recently threw on our commu community that this is I'm not questioning so much the the plan as I am are we are we do we need to reconsider how our community reacts to this um when the reality of redistricting when reality of closure when reality of budget cutting and staff reduction starts to become apparent. Is that going to have a negative effect on both questions? >> So that that's the

086part that I'm personally wrestling with. I'm not fighting so much against this. I don't have a non-negotiable on this. It's I just to bring this to all of you is even in spite of all that we're going through, do you think by tweaking this some that the community would support both questions? >> That's a question to me. Uh I think the survey results, the scientific survey results says it does. It will. It will. The The thing that is interesting to me is that we were 47% positive on question two at $242 million. $242 a year where the same basic plan at $109 a year. That I think is and the survey really shows that they're price conscious. It's very much a price um issue for them and that is the why you nearly passed or

087nearly missed the last two because 242 or 245 or whatever those numbers were were just too much dollars. The plan I think was something that they could get behind. It just was the dollar amount. >> And this one at 109 I think is way better of a you know option for guys. >> I don't think that's a fair statement to say that it was just the dollar amount that shot down the last one. It wasn't I'm not saying just I'm not saying just but it it was a big driver. I think that and it from what the survey results we got from the the the phone poll >> cuz you can see that as the the price goes down per option the support goes way up but every time you drop 50% I wish we

088did a fourth question in there. We didn't. Um, but I think if you interpolate it against the the cost analysis curve, once you start getting down in that $100 range from the 242, that's half their impact, but they're getting so much for that 100. And I think that's a story we can tell. There's a lot a good story here to tell. Um, and I'll go back to what I said when we started this conversation. And I think the board needs to be decisive in what they do with the elementary schools and put that and Shiloh needs to start to work with with the redistricting and have that conversation. So people right now a lot of people are feeling anxious about it. They don't cuz they don't know. So tell them. So now they know and

089now they can start to rationalize that in their brain if they're going to support it or not. And they might not. But if you don't tell them and there's not a clear path, they will not support it because there's just too many unknowns. Just like you said, Jeeoff, you're just adding too many unknowns. And I think as many check boxes you can say is a positive, you know, like we're doing this, we're doing this and we have to do this because of our financial obligation to the taxpayers because we have to operate the buildings efficiently. And that is something we heard through the committee meetings and the polling and the the town hall we had is that they want a school district that is ran efficiency cost and you know be efficient with our tax

090dollars. Um and I think that those two things go very much in hand in hand. So going from four buildings to three is a a positive in the community's eyes. It might not be for the teachers or the parents in those buildings that are getting affected, but the community at a whole sees that as a you being responsible uh with our tax dollars that we can do with 62.5 million bond issue for no levy increase is a positive that because of what you've done has gotten to this point. That's a positive. There's a lot of positives to talk about. To get a brand new middle school that's modern and has all the things they need to be efficient elementary or middle school all on one floor for $20 million. That's a great story. Yeah. So,

091I think there's a lot of positives here and I I know that you guys have been through the all this and there there's people who are passionate about this part or that part and I I I get that. This is a tough tough choice. a tough decision. I get that. I really do. But I think that you just you need to just start checking off one thing at a time and then move on to the next thing and figure out where you want to go. But I I I think that if we if this was a different community who hasn't been through what you've been through, I would say run it all question. But that's not the case. You've had two recently in 2023 that same dollar amount fell. I think that would set the

092wrong bet. I think if we say we're going to give you the option to tell us specifically, but we're also going to get off square one. We're going to move forward with a new high school and we will figure out how we do. If you don't like that plan, we will come back to you and ask you why you didn't like that plan and we will restructure it and and see where you want to be. But that I think it adds more confusion to the community if you say we're this is our nicest building and we don't want to close it as an elementary school. I get that. That's hard. Uh but what it does do is it puts them through another cycle of change that I think you can avoid. And by sending a

093clear message this is the plan that we think the community's told us the online the phone and survey shows that that's the support for that plan. We have an obligation with this to be reminded and I'm reminding myself of our budgetary responsibility and why we're at this point in the deep conversations too which has to drive the conversation which are are serious. I mean when we look at what 1.75 >> um is what I wrote down of saving like we have to figure out how we're doing that and that's part of this whole um executed plan of why we hired the experts to kind of help drive us of where where are we going to be if we don't take action I Billy you've been telling us for two years that we need a new

094high That's what I've heard from you over and over again. And now you tell me we need to close the middle school. I'm >> We need a new classroom. Those hex's are terrible. That's what this hole started out. We need to replace those. Now it's expanded way beyond. Like how much do you have in there to waterproof the frameworks? >> I don't have specific dollars in there for that. >> 5 million, 10 million. We're going to build a wall, a basement wall in front of those walls. I don't know what that cost to be actually, but it's going to, you know, but it's not just just for that. It's more shop space. It's more tech space. It's a lab space that's going to go on top of that. You know, that is career and tech

095ready education spaces, >> which we saw a lot of that in um our thought exchange. I mean, lots of CTS. >> I thought we had three buildings out there that does that. You got an automotive shop. You got a welding shop. >> You got an MFA. >> That's a sink. I don't think that there's a lot of classroom space there. >> I need >> I don't know why you need to replicate that in a new building. >> I will say to the the other thing that I think is happening is that we're not addressing the decision that will help us move forward with other decisions. That's what I feel like is, you know, we're spending a lot of time here because there's uncertainty around this table about what we are doing >> about what we

096are doing with our elementary schools. >> Just want to honor what we asked of the community and what they told us. That's that's what I'm asking for. >> There was a request for a fivem minute recess. Are folks okay with five minutes? Super 5 minute 5 minutes. >> [music] [music] >> Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. [music] >> [music] [music] >> back. Back. [music] >> [music] [music] >> Heat. Heat. [music] >> [music] [music] >> Heat. Heat. [music] >> [music] >> Hey, [music] hey, hey. [music] >> [music] [music] >> You know, the the common spaces the other size the media center. >> I think that is where the other views. Yeah, >> we will keep those. >> Yeah, >> we'll pick back up. Um >> I think there was the question uh there's conversation about what's the deadline,

097when do we have to do things? And so I pulled up the the schedule that was sent to me by Piper Jaffrey of timeline of deadlines of things that has to be done. uh this is for uh compliance. Um but you know, and there was also somebody asked me the question about what does the bond language look like for each question. I just did this with the community the other night. Um it's it does it's not very specific, but it will say do you authorize the board of education to encumber bonds and the amount of x amount of dollars to do these things? Uh and it's very high level. It's not very specific, but it is not misleading either. So, if for one instance, like if the lease purchase is part of that, you need

098to say lease purchase is part of this plan. You know, athletics is part of this plan, you need to say that in there, but you don't have to say how big it is or you know, all the amenities details. Yeah. And that's the what the voters will see. >> Now, once this happens, we'll start the bond campaign to theformational campaign. And that's what this would the B you've been through this but the the board you know would be givingform informationational factualbased information to the community to saying this is of the plan and I think we heard in the survey as well that the community really wants to be not just heard but reacted to. So we would give that plan back to them say this is why we're doing this is because this data we

099saw uh and build that campaign of facts and then what we would hope that there would be a uh yes committee formed um hopefully by a group of people who are in favor that would go out and you know organize a the yes campaign but the school district would be be doing a factbased campaign and they would be doing the yes campaign. So that's how and that but this gives you the timeline. So somebody asked when do we have to do this and it says no longer no later than December 11th the resolution has to be adopted by the board. >> So if we go with the two question ballot you'd have to explain that one too. >> Yeah you would in this bondage. >> Yeah. And I think that that would be an interesting

100way to craft how do we craft that because right now question one would be a no mill levy increase on question right. uh or do you say the total plan is the the total plan or do you want to you know that how we message that and be be very clear cuz I don't want to confuse anybody uh you know of like well I I don't understand which question one is question two and what was the tax dollar so we want to be real clear how to craft that messaging to the community you know but we can do it >> hey remind me Dwayne when when we selected your firm that step you just talked about here from once we approved to putting it together forming the the language the campaign you helped lead in

101that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's different. The last three we did we did not have a lot of help from our firm. >> So you would would help us formulate the narrative, the discussion, the fact points, >> bring us back to community input, those kind of things that we could then push that information out. So, somebody asked me last uh time, how would we interact with that? And what what we do, we're we're not here to arch as architects. We're not going to campaign, right? But we're going to give you the tools to answer those questions and to go out to the community and say that and I think I even sent a kind of rough draft of frequently asked questions. How's this different than the last plan? Uh, you know, all those things.

102What's what's in this plan? You know, all those things there. So, we'll help you build all that out. So, it could be on a website, could be informational handouts, but then I think we also think that it's really important. And I heard from people in the committee meetings was like, we had an idea, but we didn't know what it was going to be. They just said, "Trust us or get you a new high school. Trust us. It'll be like we trust us." Well, we don't. We want to be more specific than that. It's a little dangerous to be very specific because we're doing it in a vacuum without teachers and parents and students input. But what we can do is give representations of what it could look like. And I started that when I showed

103you some renderings last week, you know, the vid the video with the high school for high school could look like and a plan. And we would call those architectural renderings for concept only uh before the bond passes. and you know we happy to throw all these away and start over but it shows well okay that is potentially that they've really thought about this this works and we think that's really important uh where some firms are like no just trust us and we'll we'll wait you know like uh we think it's like be transparent tell as much information as you can but it can come back and get you >> because well because if you show something in a bond campaign and then when we go through the design process and we get input from teachers

104in the community and teach and students and those things and they're like h that doesn't work or we find out that [clears throat] you know we've got a a gas man that goes right in through that piece of property or something you know that we got to move the building or change something about it you could say well that's not what you showed me and you built this now and I don't trust what you because you showed me something different now I got this so you got to be real clear about this is architect's concept not the final plan but shows the potential of what could be. Uh we think that's important. Be careful about how you say that to people. >> And then as we have configuration challenges with building, that's a responsibility of

105our district to be like, hey, here's the latest update. Here's a change that we're making and here's why we're making it >> right. Yep. Through this doesn't start, you know, stop when on March 3rd when it, you know, there's a continual campaign of, you know, information given out to the community so they know what's going on. It's their plane, right? And they want to know that what the plan is and and they're getting their their um dollars worth are being heard still. Any other questions about schedule on that? So, I think the other thing that was asked was um the question um and this was the question that was in the survey option three question u right Sherry? >> Yes. Um so when did district's most urgent facility needs uh a scaledback renovations of the

106oldest academ high school including portion of the next wing along with safety and security upgrades at all amateur schools. So to that point I swapped out the spreadsheet a little bit. So, I moved Oh, wait a minute. This one, sorry. I moved um the safe and secure entries down here to the 61.8 million. And I moved athletics up as a separate line item uh to be considered as the second question. Still the same amounts. It just flip-flopped. >> That's all I want. >> Yep. And I think that's I I see no reason. And I went back through the committee one and committee 2 results real quickly and you're right, athletics was not a top priority from the committee. So that's >> but then again to Sherry's point, go back and reread that question and really

107read it. It says, "This plan includes scaledback renovations to the oldest academic areas of the high school, including portions of the hex. >> We're not keeping the hex. No, >> we are completely demolishing the hex and adding an addition." And that was not part of the question that we asked. >> Yeah. Because at that time with $50 million, we could not do it. But I'm saying your results are saying that is what the community supported. This plan is not what the community said they would support. >> But that's to Jeff's point. >> But if you go up to where we are more closely aligned in option two question, they said that 57% were aligned with that option, which is more aligned with what we're actually doing. One of the things I'd point out too is

108the numbers have changed and we'll have to make sure that we do that because you as a board has been able to to to make known that you're going to bring down your 1.5 LOB in order to make these adjustments. So I think I think one of the things that we all want is the data to be like an endorsement of exactly what you know this is me telling you today I'm going to do it. The fact of the matter is that's not always going to be true, but it's giving us the best insight to me. I just having seen the whole process, having heard all of the dialogue, you've got a really solid plan. No, I don't think >> and it matches feedback even if it's not I mean you know direct to to

109one question or the other >> to the question that you know Sherry said option three said that and option two said that I think he had have to take the totality of what the questions were in the survey. They purposely asked questions in a certain manner to elicit different responses. It wasn't, you know, lock step with here's option one. Do you like it? Two, do you like it? It's a mixed bag what you have up there. >> And it sounds like Perry, to your point, people that answered uh strongly agree to option one didn't even get asked question two or three. >> Correct. And so those people are probably like, I thought we said that we like this, you know, and so so and I trust their scientific method. You know, they're experts. That's why

110we hired them. Um, but just to be fair and clear, uh, the people that answered yes to the bottom one are the ones that got asked all stages of the question. So most people didn't even see option three or hear option three >> or two. >> But it seems like they're more in favor of renovating the hex's first, tearing them down and building new. We didn't put that in the plan in the beginning when we did the community meetings. And so, you know, the way they worded these questions uh for the the survey is a little bit different than what we presented to the community. We showed them a rebuilt high school. >> But I think it's interesting that when you add the dollar amount, so option one as a plan as in a in

111a bubble of a plan um was 48% loved a brand new high school plan and making the old high school middle the new middle school 48%. But then you add the dollar amount into it, $485, it dropped big time. 13%. Yeah. >> So 13% >> 13%. >> And that's where I that's why I keep saying it's not about the plan's very important. They want a good plan, but they want something they can afford. >> They want something they can afford. >> Yep. And the last two elections we were at the $240 range and we're at the $109 range now. I think that is a huge huge difference. >> It's a it's a half more than half. >> It's more than half. >> Yeah. >> So 109 is that adding the second part total. Yep. >>

112So this 89.5 your $200,000 home is $910 a month. >> Oh, I see. Okay. And and last time I I have those that data somewhere on >> Is that what they're paying now? >> No, no, they're paying more than that now. I can't remember what their total uh >> your millage is 52.305. >> Yeah. So >> 52.305. >> This is 4.75 in order to get >> by the way that's again I'm from a tax rate comparison. I think there's a lot of marketability on this >> compared >> because going back to your comparison data we showed you this still keeps you in the >> upper 50s. >> It's still very it's still in it's in the middle of packing middle you're getting a huge amount of work done. >> However, it's getting um lost because

113of the assessed values at the county level. The city like it >> there's a lot of confusion. >> Yes. we have to do a lot of helping helpful education around what this means outside of the county and the city, you know, those dollar amounts because I've heard a lot of negativity or confusion and how this impacts um the monthly overall because that's what people look at, right? their monthly. How am I going to care for all of this when we get the county at this level, the city at this level, and now we're doing this? Even though we're trying to work closely to a neutral, the other elements are creating some tension. >> Let me understand. It's currently what we're paying for our bonds you said was 8 something mills and under this new plan

114it's going to be four something. No, your eight mills would continue. That's a no mill increase. So those that levy would stay. >> Okay. >> The only increase and then once you once approved your second question would bump it up 4.75. >> I see. Okay. So you in the sec so but you're getting comprehensive across both plans. You're getting everything addressed for 4.75 mil increase, which is a $910 per month on the ones. I don't ever want to diminish what any of that means, but I do think it's noteworthy. Again, I want to come back to to your work and what you test this group with and what's been able to be achieved. His previous asks were in the $20 range per month and this is now brought back down to $910. That's a phenomenal

115opportunity for our community. >> But to do that, we got to agree on what we're going to do. I >> think you're in more agreement than what you realize. Uh it sounds like you've got a pretty good good idea about two questions and we've transitioned some things around. I think you that's my impression. But >> can you send those results over real quick? >> Yeah, I actually had I appreciate you saying that. Um, I had actually placed on the on or I want to be clear as a practice, we don't I don't ordinarily put same day information on, but also we had a special meeting the day before Thanksgiving break and then we've had one now immediately following. So, I don't I wouldn't ordinarily I would absolutely always share this information with you. I just

116wouldn't place it on the agenda and without having the chance to at least peruse it. You want to unplug for a minute? So what what's been updated from and these are now available to you on under the I've added those to the agenda. What's a view of this? These are the this is the executive summary. So, you'll recall he wasn't able to go over the executive summary. I want to be clear is literally my first read. So, I'll I'll offer it here um just for yours going over much of the same information. He was able to talk through with you. So, he's sharing here um uh some of the the final comp or kind of items here. And I've invited him to be a part of the September, sorry, the December 8th meeting to go

117over this in in more detail. He already has that reserved, but that'd be for the board uh to to go back over this um with you. The key item was that much of the executive summary is just a more in-depth detailed look at uh what the initial uh item was that he provided. But I've included that in this and would include it then also in the uh upcoming December 8th meeting as well. The let me verify one thing real quick on his email. So there's three items in there from Tomlinson. uh he included the online information which I've included on there. He said uh the addendum to the executive summary for the telephone service. So you'll see the executive summary references the dashboard. Normally these two items are sent with the dashboard but our dashboard

118designer will not have that ready till later this week or early next depending on availability. We put a rush on the attached documents. We go back now your timeline is is tight and important. So um when I spoke with them briefly um before the meeting, I posed the question whether there was anything of noteworthy that uh that would be something that I'd need to put on the the board's radar and he stated no. Generally speaking, his the the key summary as he shared with his scientific the only difference was that you'd see the more detailed uh view of it in the executive summary which is available there and we'll can you'll have time to review between now and the next meeting. Um the online uh not surprisingly was a little bit different but but generally

119still consistent with with what we were looking at there. So I really I want to be clear. I'm offering that for you. I don't I've yet from a probably 7 minute conversation with him. Don't have any more knowledge than what I just presented to you there. So any questions that I know you would have is why that we would normally not put something the same day on agenda. Happy to provide them to you. What other question? Maybe people are looking at looks pretty bulky and detailed which is good for that discussion. Let me see how many people responded to that online. Let's look at it. >> Yeah, it's very responses to each question. That was the >> n= 229 n= 227. Is that probably the number? Huh? >> I I just want to be quick.

120I want to be able to answer your questions, but I got this at 4:17 this afternoon and we had a board meeting that started at 6:00. I'm not trying to not answer your questions. I just those types of I was in a meeting at that time. >> Shello, you're good. We understand. We appreciate you handing me I just want more more than anything I want you to know. I'd be I'm happy to have that. I truly haven't had a chance to look at it. >> So, currently we have December 8th is a scheduled meeting. >> Correct. [clears throat] >> We do not have any other special meetings. >> So, to be clear, you have December 8th is your next special meeting. We currently have on our agenda >> a December 11th legislative lunchon. 372 227

121>> Dr. Vander that unfortunately our legislators are now no longer able to mar. >> So just to recap the question was what do uh do we have any special meetings? We have December 8th, which is 1 week from today, and December 11th was a legislative luncheon that really we could repurpose that. It's a scheduled time. Our legislators will not be able to attend. So, we were already looking to quite frankly, we're looking to need to cancel that. Um, but that could be repurposed and utilized for this. We would have to essentially call for that to be changed for that purpose. Uh >> why would we need an extra meeting? >> I was just answering the question that was posed of what do we have and then December 15th you have a regular meeting. Um >>

122but as you saw in the timeline earlier that'd be past your time to do it. >> Jeff why like what are you thinking? >> I'm not prepared to make any decisions on these questions that came to us late in the afternoon today. >> Yeah. My question was, could we have a special meeting yet later this week after we've had a chance or you've had a chance to look at these, maybe get some information from him about these. If if that's still the questions that people think will help them make the decision. Here's what I'd offer. You are Here's what I'd offer in terms of decisions tonight. The only thing I was offering was So, let me name actually what needs to occur at some point soon. At some point, action on the long range plan

123needs to occur. At some point soon, action on the uh final ballot, which honestly we've made progress tonight, and I think we have a little bit of clarity, although I want to make sure that we understand what we would need to pull together. Clearly, we need a direct action like we talked about on the 25th. We need direct action from the board to note a transition from four elementaryaries to three along with naming the elementary that that that would be. And then I think a really good point that was also raised in the November meeting was the a motion to officially set 1.75 as the target for savings. We've been working off of that because that's what we've presented, but I think it'd be wise [clears throat] to take action on that. There's no direct

124action that would absolutely have to occur tonight. Um, you could take action on all of those a week from today in the follow-up meeting. So, you could you could do that take those action. You could potentially the the primary item that we would want to know left here is are we in general consensus and agreement around what the two questions would be because then we want to start working with Dustin Ay to at least bring to draft uh ballot language because that has to be that's something that we would want you to take a look at on the 8th of app that >> takes a little bit of time for the lawyers. time for the attorneys to to draft that and make sure that it's there. I think based on what we've heard feedbackwise, we

125could have that the the new adjusted components be question one and the new adjusted component be question two. and we could bring that back on December 8th and we could maintain that December 11th meeting for the purposes of of uh followup or anything that would potentially not be resolved or need to be resolved between December 8th and December 11th. You do your final final action December 11th. Oh, it seemed that tonight were consensus that we have to close one ele school. Don't have to name it. The sooner the better probably, but just to let them know that that that will have to be regardless of bond issue. That's a separate question really. I mean financially we have to close one element. >> So you're suggesting we just take two actions tonight for sure. I want

126to be very clear. I'm not stating that you need to take action tonight. But whatever you don't do tonight, we absolutely need action on December 8th and it needs to be further. We've had staff continue. I've had staff reach out to me. I've had staff we've had staff email us. Um, we know we're closing an elementary school. Nobody wants to do that. And so I wonder if us did not get quagmired down in all of these complexities at the same time if we don't motion for us to work our budget towards 1.72 million tonight and make a decision about a school. >> You want to pick the school tonight? >> I I think that's what's what's causing a lot of this angst is there's uncertainty and there's a lot of pain in all of our

127hearts around this decision. and our staff want to know. And our families are going to appreciate dealing. I mean, they're not going to like what they hear. There's going to be somebody that loses. We understand that. It is it is gut-wrenching. However, the sooner people know, they can begin to plan and it is the uh last week you talked about that Sherry, the ethical thing to do for our people. several several people I do not know like approach me in public and thank me for saying what I said. So >> yeah, people decision and I'm not sure why we're not making it. Well, here's here's why I don't feel making it is because I'm still torn between the pros and cons of closing an elementary school based on the facts of the building and the

128fact that we need to reduce it down or going with a long range plan that we don't even know is going to be the actual longrange plan based on the communities. They're the ones that get to decide whether Eisenhower ultimately becomes in the or not. Not us. We get to say that's what we'd like and that's what we are projecting. But for me, I would rather make the decision on closing it based on the building itself. Chelsea, there is not enough room classroom wise for us to have the 10 extra classrooms that we need for sped for the other things or overflow if we keep Eisenhower open. There are 16 classrooms in there. It is simply a logistics issue. But we have enough space at the other ones. Dwayne has said that numerous times that

129there is capacity at the other buildings and we're redistricting anyways. So, we would be able to move that capacity around. I mean, there's only So, how many classrooms are in our other buildings? >> 24 classrooms in Lincoln, 24 classrooms in Roosevelt, 20 classrooms in Washington, and 16 classrooms at Eisenhower. From a logistics standpoint, >> is that finished or unfinished? You have two that are unfinished at Eisenhower and have been unfinished since they were >> No, 16 total finished, >> right? And then two more that could be. So that's eight. >> No, no. With those finished out, it' be 16. >> There's two in there right now that are not there's two not finished. There are 14. So there's classrooms right now. >> We need to those numbers. >> What if you have this week for

130the numbers in each of those classrooms? Was it in something we received today? >> No. No. It was previous, >> but we need to see that and have that written down. So that that part is a part of our narrative here. >> I want to be clear. I'm I want to be clear. I am happy to collect as much specific data as I can, but I need specific data to go collect. So I'll bring back classrooms. I'll happily do that. Last week, I was tasked with doing pros and cons and work with my team to do it. That could only be done today because they were all on Thanksgiving break. So, I did that and brought this back to you. I want to bring you the information, but you've got to help me by giving

131me the specific questions. I will bring back classroom numbers. What else would there What else would the board desire I bring back to help you have clarity to make a decision to move forward? Doesn't our long range plan suggest that we're going to have a new middle school up at Eisenhower? >> Yes. >> So, if we approve the long range plan, that kind of settles it, doesn't it? >> Yes. >> I feel like that's where the kind of the unability to approve the long-range plan is coming from. And we have people that are wanting a decision and we have people that don't want us to make certain decisions and I certainly respect that. Um, you start talking about any one of our schools and you're going to have families that are deeply impacted by that.

132Um, so it's great obligation that we have as a board to help. >> I'm sorry. We're only a few days from today or Monday. So it it's I understand identifying a site but I also want do not want this to appear that we made a decision tonight based upon information that we received at the end of the day. >> Right. I I don't we really need to be able to study what's been offered to us, the pros and cons. Need to to to know the sizing. That's important to me to be able to articulate that to others. one of the reasons why that wouldn't work for an elementary site and th those kind of things. So whether it's a special meeting this week as Perry suggested or if it's added on, I can support the

133fiscal we we talked about that last time. I can support the general motion from four to three, but I would prefer to identify the long range plan and the the overall bond structure. at either a special meeting this week or on Monday. >> Would you make that a motion? >> Let's do a special meeting because that way we can get this handled and we can focus Monday on the other issue that we need to really be dialed in on. >> So this week, but it works for >> Okay. Can I just do a quick timeout just so I can clarify? In last week's report that was on the 25th, this is where those numbers were presented. And >> I did not present those. I did not present those. >> I'm sorry. They were they were

134at at the end of the c the presentation and when I sent that out to you I didn't delete those on there. We never covered this because I felt it was pretty >> we didn't get that presentation. You did you did get this presentation and and these three slides were at the end of that because I thought if they came up in conversation I could pull them up but I it was not I did not something I review and this just shows how the classes would be used as a prek5 at Roosevelt Washington and Lincoln. uh and this is a course blind um without having you know the input of teachers and principles and stuff but it just shows that in this scenario you would have at um like Roosevelt for instance that your kindergarten

135this year this fiscal year or educational year at Roosevelt you' have three sections of kindergarten three sections of third and three sections of fourth and everybody else would be two sections your prek would be eight sections. And that shows you down at the very bottom your average class sizes when you do that. And then at the end where the flex classrooms that has 13 classrooms that would be used for flex in this configuration. So you have capacity in this configuration. So what I'll do is work with Dwayne to have that for all four buildings. similar to that. Yeah. >> And provide that to you on a conversation that occur would occur. Sounds like you were seeking to to establish another time. >> And let me clarify one thing. I just looked it up just to

136make sure, but that Eisenhower today has 14 first through fifth grade classrooms. They're finished. Two of those are the severe needs classrooms. They're on the corner. So you take those two out for general education, but it does have three kindergarten rooms. So actual classrooms, total buildout classrooms, 17 at that building with two potential ads. >> So it could have up to 19. >> Could have built out repurposed those two rooms. the flex classrooms are being used utilized that we currently have in every building because they have people floating in and out of those flex classrooms for many different needs. And so it's not like we just have rooms that are sitting empty. >> We do not. I mean, we need those flex classrooms. We currently have enough flex classrooms to provide the special services for

137the students that we have in the district. So Mr. Cash, you mentioned that that configuration that you just showed us didn't have staff's input. So, at what point does Cuz that's not my I don't know how >> I think I think it goes deeper than that actually cuz when you start talking about redistricting, >> you know, that's where um Rob's group would be able to come in and say the line goes here. So, these kids would go to that building. So, you would need three sections of this building or you would need two sections of this building based on that configuration. but also how they staff and you know cohorts are built out you know mine was just you know it could be those numbers move up and down it's the bottom number you got

138how many class sections you have and keep the grades levels you know the class sizes small like what we heard a lot about >> right I just wanted to make sure it's done in conjunction not isolation of our staff >> so forgive me for being that guy but are we really having a conversation that says says we are either going to vote within the next week to move the middle school to Eisenhower or we have no plan at all for what's going on with the middle school and also we don't know which elementary school it is. That's what it sounds like >> cuz that does not make sense to me. That sounds disingenuous. Well, and the fact that we were given quite a bit of information, >> I appreciate we're making sure that we do

139our due diligence, but like I don't feel like we've been doing due diligence up until this point. And pros and cons, I understand that. Um, but I'm with you, Sherry. It's like, uh, it's just very, very frustrating because it feels like things are connected and for some reason we're bogged down. And I get it. don't want to do certain things. I don't want to do it. I particularly don't like being on the board now. Like this is not a fun time for any of us. >> Yeah. >> These are hard decisions. But Rebecca, you said earlier this is really the first time we've talked about this and some of this stuff. Been getting reports, but we haven't had this conversation with each other about the specifics of it. And I I think that we should

140not rush rush past that. Then I would love us to how did we not have that conversation when we said we want to move the middle school to the to Eisenhower and that's been our plan for how long and now we're talking about on one hand we're going to approve a board issue a bond issue that says we're going to move the middle school to Eisenhower and on the other hand we're going to say we didn't have this conversation. Those two statements they just don't go together. And I would love us to spend time right now, the hour we have left, going over the pros and cons. That's what I thought we were getting them for, and I I assumed that we would go over them tonight together. That seems like a great use of

141our time. >> I'm happy to offer you the pros and cons of each of your elementaryaries >> and have a discussion in the room together. >> Happy to do that for you if that's what the will of the board is. >> I think we have it. I mean, we I'm not sure that you'd have to present that to us, Shiloh. You know, we've got them in front of us. Let's go through it. >> I'm not sorry to do that if we're going to name Eisenhower the new middle school. >> I hear you, Bill. So then what? So, you know, then why are we having a special meeting? >> We meet tonight. >> Why would we schedule another one? >> We're scheduling one for the 8th, aren't we? >> We have final decision time. >> We're

142talking about doing one on potentially Wednesday or Thursday of this week to talk about an elementary school. >> I don't need to do that, but >> I don't either. Do you? >> No. I'm an analyst, so I analyze everything in detail. And this is new information for me. So I think and process a lot of different things. >> So let's analyze it here because I'd love to to do that tonight. >> What's the will of the board? >> Did you share my email? So, one of the things I was going to say, and this is something that I've learned in my time here working with a variety of different folks, is especially under major topics, some of us can process and get to a place quicker. We knew the way that we scheduled the meetings,

143the 25th and the 1st, would be difficult because there was a holiday in the middle that everyone needed to rightfully I hope you spent some good time with family. There has been a lot of information provided. it would create at least a couple of days for people if or even the Wednesday or Thursday meeting of this week which I haven't checked my availability but if that would give people the opportunity to thoughtfully continue to review and be prepared to come back and give some direction I would completely understand that and I would kind of look to the will of the board on that it we're these are significant decisions and Um, I guess that'd be my two cents. I'd be more than able to make myself available on the whether we say Wednesday or Thursday.

144I could do that over the noon hour. I could not do it in the evening. >> Evening. Can we do Wednesday evening? Does that work for people? >> They can forget about me. [clears throat] >> No, we need you here, Bill. >> Uh, five. know the one needing a special meeting cuz I'm going to be gone on the 8th. Talk through some of this. Just pass [clears throat] on that and do it on the 8th. You're going to I hear Chelsea saying something different, don't I? >> Oh, I just said I need a time to process. I don't care whether it's a special meeting or on the ETH. I just need time >> well >> to make my own come to my own conclusions. And I guess my point earlier with what I said about

145the motions is because you already have the eighth schedule, you could step back away from this and thought get really give yourself a week to be prepared to come back and then take the action that it seems some >> and if you need another meeting you could do it on the 11th >> and if you needed an additional meeting you could do it the 11th. colonoscopy. >> So beyond the eth colonoscopy, what is your agenda after that? >> The eth is a special meeting that we established >> back in September as a part of this process. So we added the first most recently, but the eth has already been called as a special meeting. So it would the structure of the 8th one week from today would already look a lot like what we've had

146on the 25th and then here tonight. So the when was the regular board meeting the 15th [laughter] presentation >> okay somehow >> I'll be honest with you Jeff I actually reviewed that today and I also had a similar reality our July organizational meeting when you called we had it for the 15th >> so our regular meeting is the 15th >> but our when we set it back in September when we set all of our meetings we set the 8th for a special work session for this >> and I would like to just bring forward that we have a negotiations meeting on the 9th and so this board will need to spend considerable time um having some conversations in executive session on the 8th. >> So there's a lot to get done on the 8th. >>

147I don't disagree. >> So what's the will of the board? >> What does Thursday night of this week look like friends? I can make myself available. I won't be here >> Thursday night or Wednesday. What about tomorrow night? >> We have to have enough time. >> No, >> I'm not comfortable having a special meeting on this particular topic of um our budget and an elementary school without build and I don't like and you're not going to be here on next Monday, Perry. Correct. >> And you have six member You going to be here on the 11th? >> No, I'm gone all week. 7th through the 12th. >> Would we be open to taking a break and absorbing some information? I love what you said, Shiloh, that there are people that want information comes in, they

148want to set with it, but we've got a lot of factors going on at the same time. >> What do you mean by a break? like tonight to say >> I'm not gonna speak for everyone, but I I wouldn't want to rush it when I'm hearing some say I need a little bit more time to process. I want to be respectful of >> Yeah. I don't want to sit here and just >> Yeah. and have everybody in the audience just sit while we look like I'd rather be able to take that time and really think about it. So, next Monday night, we would need to get done the finalization of a plan for a bond long range, the closing of an elementary school. We could probably make a motion to uh work on our budget

149tonight, the 1.72 million. So, that's done. >> You're welcome. I mean, you're absolutely that's absolutely something that you know you can take action on and would be more than capable of doing. that's well that's appropriate whether you do that now and then that that certainly is something you could take in my own opinion you could take that action tonight but if others want to do those all at the same time we can do that >> and then we also need to work on negotiations so we can get a contract hopefully happening for our teachers >> on the 8th >> remember there wouldn't be any action because you won't meet until the 9th >> with our correct I understand >> but there is some new information that needs to come back. >> You're going to present

150that to us. >> Yes. >> So hearing it doesn't sound like we're going to add another meeting. We have the eight already. >> Well, I'm fine, is it mentioned earlier to approve our budget tonight. So, I'm willing to offer that if you're ready. It's a motion that we establish I move that we establish the district savings target of 1.75 million to staffing and operational adjustments uh needed during the spring transition of 2627 school year. So, we would have that >> second discussion. >> That was motion four. Is that what you're talking about? >> That's it. motion for or >> open it up for discussion. >> Do you even know what it is? >> Right there in front of us. Copy. [laughter] >> Not hearing any discussion. All in favor say yes. >> Any opposed with

151no. So that passes the motion to save the target of 1.7 million to guide the staff and operational adjustments needed during the spring transition for our 2627 school year by 70. >> Any other action the board would like to take today? >> Sure. I motion that um Eisenhower be the elementary school that we identify as the school that needs closed. We can wait or not, but I put it out there. Y'all can shut it down. That's fine. I think we should vote on it and I'll second it. Thanks. >> Discussion. >> I mean, what are we going to gain by waiting? >> What are we going to gain by waiting? It gives me time to keep going and thinking and processing all of this. It is a very big decision. We have a lot of

152families. We have a lot of lives that are going to be in jeopardy. I understand that. But closing that school is a huge impact for students and for families as well. And moving them from the north end to the central end of town is we're busing. We're going to have to figure out busing because now we're adding that onto families. We need to think about making sure that they can get their kids there in acclimate weather. We just had snow today. What are you going to do with all those kids from Eisenhower that now have to walk to Lincoln or to Washington because that is where they've been in your district. >> They should be. >> It's an added expense that the district is going to have to pay for by closing the North End

153school. And [clears throat] that is what I've got to wrap my head around that I just don't think Eisenhower >> would be any different with one of the other schools. continue to say, "What if the bond doesn't pass?" What if it does? >> What if it does? >> I >> wouldn't you rather that planning started now? >> That is my discussion for closing any elementary school. I would hope that this board can make a commitment that we will wrap our head around transportation in a new way for any elementary school because we've got kids that'll be walking further distances. Shiloh, do we currently have a bus that comes in on the north end of town, the south end of town, the west end of town, and the east end of town? >> Correct. Do I

154currently stop and pick up kids? >> Yes. >> On all four corners, all four places. Build. >> There would have to definitely be a hard look towards logistics to make sure that we encompassed everything. I would lean towards the idea that we may it may necessitate an additional route. However, at this point, we could strategize to encompass it within our current routes. We and to be fair, we don't have a driver report. We're barely covering that now. However, I believe there's a a strate strategizing session that could take place to hopefully encompass that within what we currently do. >> Bill, do we have a bus that comes in from uh the north on um Main Street in the morning? >> So, think of it think of it as four quadrants of the county. >> Yes.

155>> And we cover each quadrant. We could organize it that way. Yes. >> Yes. Currently, we do that. And we have a bus that stops out at uh Mustang Trailer Park right now and picks up kids. >> Deerfield Deerfield area. >> Mustang. >> We're where we also have an in town route that that picks up at several locations around the city. >> Mhm. >> So there are pickup sites and drop off sites. And so >> would it encompass a lot more strategizing? Yes. Is it possible? Yes. There might be an expense associated with it, but I couldn't put my finger on that without shooting from the hit tonight and giving you a potential. But I I there's definitely something to be considered when we talk about transportation. >> So something on that that's an added

156expense to the district. We're already trying to cut 1.75 million out of our >> It's not It's not an added expense that we're not I I'm not willing for us to find a way to take care of for our families. And what I'm hearing Bill say is that we've already got four quadrants, four buses coming in and an in town route that's already happening. So while we need to strategize uh and potentially have a new driver, it's not an astronomically added expense. >> But what Bill didn't say was is can that bus that's already in route accommodate all those kids that have to move? >> There's not that many country kids. I know our bus >> We're not talking country kids. I'm talking the kids that live in Parkridge that now have to be bus

157to a different school because they can't walk across the street. But our buses don't have that many kids on them. Correct, Charlotte? >> I want to be clear on a couple of things. That's correct. That our out of town routes have used to run five or six out in the country and now it's down >> at one point we run seven routes. >> Seven routes in the country. Three three. >> Let me name is the reality of any one of these decisions or whatever would come forward is that there will be a ton of logistics associated with any one or all of these. Um, and so these are the right things that are why when there's a transition to be made, then that's why it's good for us to know now so that we can

158start to hear these questions and start to make >> plan some solutions. I'll leave it at that. >> Well, there's other components with transportation. Um, you know, what what's the plan to replace? At what point do we have to replace bus or tires or whatever? Those would all need to be mapped out and and will be because that's part of uh you know facilities uh your responsibility >> and we would need to you know when we move a middle school to the far end of town right I mean we're going to have to wrap our heads around transportation in a new way as a district. That's just the reality if that's where we want where the community says they want their middle school. um which is what I believe has got us here is the

159community has said they want this middle school out here. That's the best what we've heard so far, right Jeff? You know, so but we do have to think about getting our kids from that end of town over to here and we are currently figuring out how to, you know, kids to get from the very west end of town to the middle school now. Um so it's not that we can't figure those things out, but I do want the community to hear that those are important to me as a board member. Well, it it doesn't take humans to do all of that. Takes there's some soft there's several different kinds of software that will do studying borders, setting routes. You might have to tweak it as a human, but you >> and potentially another driver, right,

160Perry? when we're already struggling to put in all the >> potentials, >> but we're we're talking about reducing staff because we're reducing buildings and we need to absorb that back to the budget. Now, you're adding bus drivers. >> But tell people at some point you have to spend some money to save some money. >> Where is there a school that we would not need to have that conversation? >> We wouldn't need to have that conversation. >> The kids closest to Washington, they don't they don't count. Or the kids kids near Roosevelt or the kids near Lincoln. It doesn't matter all the way to Eisenhower. >> It's so different. >> I'm just thinking we have two central schools. That's just where my thought goes is keeping one north, one south, one central. >> It doesn't. We're

161going to redefine our district boundaries. Anyways, if we didn't have to have a middle school now, I would a thousand% agree with you. The one in the central part of town makes sense. Like I'm 10 million times over with you, but we need a middle school. Our middle school is falling apart. It will be the next big thing that this board is tasked with for our community. And the cool thing about it is that everybody's kids will eventually get to go to Eisenhower if it's a middle school. And the people that live out there won't have to take their middle school kids into the middle of town. They'll get to walk to school when they're in middle school. So at some point, you know, we have to think about it in a much bigger picture.

162So >> I just want to make sure transportation. Sorry, Sherry. >> And you're getting it for 20 million. like I'm with you. But you know, our people are thinking about how to stretch every dollar right now. And people also believe in our school system and want our kids to have the best buildings possible, but they cannot afford uh some of the things that we would dream about doing. Um I know I've talked to community members that want us to buy 80 acres of land on the outside of town and put up a brand new middle school, high school. That's awesome. I don't think the rest of the community will be able to afford that. I think everybody says yes until you say this is how much it's going to cost you a month and a

163year and they're like oh yeah I think the one we have is fine and we know that fiscally it is not fine. We know that um structurally it's not fine. So I I don't want to close Eisenhower but I want to do what's best for our community long term. And when you look at the the thought bubble today say give us something for 30 years. This plan and using that site puts us 30 years out for secondary or longer where we are in a good spot. >> Hopefully. >> The community is going to tell us that in March. >> They will. >> Do the other three elementaryaries have the physical space to make them a middle school? >> No, >> they do not. Not parking wise >> or square. No. No. >> That's what I

164thought. >> There's no way to do that. It would be awesome to do it in the middle of town, like on another middle of town. >> I was thinking like at the high school site, it's good because you've got the kids that go to the middle school that take high school classes. They just walk. I hear >> parents are dropping kids off at one site instead of two. >> They're not going to the center of town all the way to the north end of town. >> So that's why putting those two on the same campus makes the most sense. >> Moneywise, I get that. >> It doesn't. and physically. And there's some community members that are not emotionally phil philosophically okay with that. And there's a lot of people that live in that area that

165if you start talking about putting a middle school there, they've got some problems with that, too. They're already, you know, some are already unhappy about a football field there and the games. And so, you know, um I don't think that that's that plan will fly. I I wish it would. I I think parents would love it. your high school kids just try all the kids >> especially parents of multiple >> but I don't think it will fly Chelsea I don't I wish I thought it did but I don't >> I just hate the fact of picking an elementary and closing it not knowing what the bond results are going to be but I get 100% where you're coming from is we can't have the community tell us yes I want Eisenhower to close and the

166middle school goes there so then we make that decision in March I get that it's not fair to our community it's not fair to our teachers and our staff and our families but at the same time I just struggle of closing that building with the unknown of if they come back and say no we don't want that and it's clear then we made a bad choice >> and I think that building uh configurationwise for us to go down to three which we know we have to do we just uh talked about our budget and we have to go to three I don't I think we would be packing uh students in in a way in a three configuration and I do think that that building I would like that's what I would love to see

167come back Shiloh is if we task and I if we pass, you know, which school that you come back and say if the bond doesn't pass in March, here's the ways we're going to utilize our facility that is strategic for our community and for our programs. Um, which I know that you've probably already thought about that stuff. You just don't have a way to present that to us. So, I think that's important. >> And the other thing we talked about too was pulling the preschools out of the elementary buildings. You could repurpose them into Lincoln and compartmentalize that into three sections. So the central office, your head start, your birth program, all that could go in there, which frees up your classrooms. >> Chelsea, I hear you, but we still need a middle school. >>

168Well, I know. I'm just, you know, I mean, I love >> these are the things that I have to think about. >> I wish we would have had the birth to five conversation in, you know, June, July, because I think there's, if the community would have had time to absorb that, we' have been able to present that. I think that that could have been brilliant and and who knows. So then are we rushing this bond and pushing it out too fast? >> We have been on a pl on a process things have come up and we've brainstormed some creative solutions but I don't believe we're rushing this. I don't >> Sher would you mind saying >> or I can have Mr. Rhodess read it >> Mr. Rhodess could you read? Bill, I had to close

169uh select Eisenhower's school to close for 2526 school year 26. Sorry, 26 27. >> Not yet. >> 26 [laughter] 27. Can I make a request on that? >> Repurpose. >> Thank you. >> So motion. You're amending your motion to repurpose, not close. >> Bill, you were the second. Are you okay with that? >> Sure. [clears throat] In our last meeting, we talked about the money. We talked also that there would be a need in order to accomplish that to reconfigure an elementary. You were not ready to name a site. This is the first time now it aligns with the plan. This is the first time we've identified the site tonight. Okay. I will probably get there, but I can't support it tonight because this is the first time I've seen this site. I support the

170four to three config reconfiguration, but not the identification of the building tonight. Okay. >> Is that a friendly? >> Well, so I mean, if we act on the motion, I will be voting no. >> Well, that's a way to deal with it, right? >> The majority agree with you. We had a second. So I think on the whole issue there part part of the problem is the cart got ahead of the horse and people started assuming and rumors were made you know some time ago that Eisenhower was going to be closed not even you know and be made into the middle school. I think that's what a lot of the assumptions I heard from people were is that is how's it >> Perry we had these drawings of that >> the drawing like so we

171haven't I mean we we it was very quiet >> until just here recently so the community knew >> no >> I don't think they did because the plans that we showed and the we presented so many options to the community do they even know what we're really presenting them I mean to be honest when we when we talked about Washington going down to a two site the community we got many emails that said that is not the picture you showed us you showed us Eisenhower as our middle school right yeah [clears throat] and so so I don't think it was rumors I think that was a possibility >> that we put out there motion had ever been made >> no I I would agree I wish we would have been doing this um you know

172last month or or two months ago for for people but I don't think that it's you know rushing that part has been a bad you know like like not rushing it has been bad but I think stalling is is causing a lot of angst >> in our community >> is there a way in this um to have a better picture of what the redistricting looks like I mean that takes That's going to be a process that will take a significant part over the next several months. I mean, but that's that's going to be truly I mean that's >> whatever iteration we have >> that impacts daycare transportation to and from schools >> redistricting to the point that that Jeff has made is that's a that's a process and that has an entire different scope, >>

173right? But so to tell you like so all I can tell you is that um I would only share that the action could be which was initially what I had shown here which was for acceptance this evening so that the motion could be for acceptance with a final approval occurring on the 8th. I would just showcase that for you as decision makers that that to Jeff to Jeff's point that that would continue to allow opportunity to reflect on it for the next week and it would be in alignment with kind of what our past practices have been. Um so that's I guess another option that >> is everybody following acceptance doesn't mean approved right in our >> you're accepting the concept this week you'd be see it'd be brought back for you for dialogue and

174approval next week or on December 8th >> I'm okay if someone wants to make that motion but my motion stands as it is >> ready So, Mr. Rhodess, can you read that motion one more time? >> Yeah. To designate Eisenhower Elementary Schools school to repurpose for the 26 27 school year. >> All in favor with yes. >> Yes. >> So, that was three and those with a no. >> No. So, four three. I make a motion to um how do you say that? To >> accept >> to accept what >> going from four to three elementaryaries with >> Eisenhower being repurposed for potentially the middle school or for other uses for our district. Wait a second. Why did you add all that? Just say we're going to go from four to three. >> We need

175a school identified bill. >> Not tonight. We want another week to think about it. That's what I heard several people say. So >> second open for discussion >> that we were >> well I just saying all along we've been talking about going from four to three elementaryaries taking this action solidifies that that's what's going to happen. We're not identifying the school yet that we'll do that next week >> but we're we're tentatively identifying and that's in the long range plans. We said we were going to approve that. So, >> put the motion on the table, but this is open for discussion and the >> mean I see you making a decision tonight and I and I think some people want to wait till next week. >> No, I and I appreciate that. Let's get an

176acceptance there. And if if this acceptance did you second? >> Yep. >> Cool. Sure did. >> That one doesn't and we'll roll with a different type. >> Well, and we don't have to take a motion. you find something else happening between now and then that changes that whole circumstance, then you don't approve it. >> Acceptance doesn't really do anything except say that we talked about it tonight. That's all we're doing. No actual movement. >> So, we can change our minds next week. >> Sure. I call the question. >> Mr. Rhodess, can you read that motion >> to accept a move from four to three elementary schools of Eisenhower to be repurposed for the 26 27th school year capturing it? >> All in favor sign yes. I didn't hear three. >> I heard four. >> Four.

177What was the fourth? >> I said yes. >> No. Like that'll help. >> That was three. Okay. And those with a no? >> No. So, >> make a new motion, Bill. >> Cool. Just table like nobody. >> We don't have to, folks. I would I I'm going to make a recommendation that we table um as part of the discussion tonight um due to where we're willing to do it. So >> I think there's still fair amount of questions that we're hearing um individuals want to reflect on and gather some additional information. This does not mean not good work. There's been a lot of good discussion and I think great opportunity for us to um hear and listen on both sides of all the information. This is tough for us um for our community. Um and

178I appreciate us not rushing um and listening in um closely and asking the questions uh and receiving that information. So um that's my recommendation for this. Perry, will you call in on Monday night of next week? Okay. >> So, are you moving that we table this week? Yeah. Second. >> All in favor say yes. >> Yeah. >> No. [laughter] >> I didn't want it tabled. That's what we're process one. Um appreciate um this work. Um, anything else? >> Well, I would encourage us not to be discouraged. We made a lot of progress. >> Our opinions. >> Is there anything on the long range plan that you want me to modify before approval or discussion of approval? >> We heard some conversation about >> Yeah. You know, >> Bruce, I need to make sure roofs are

179in there. I need that. >> I just don't think we have the B dollars allocated just yet. That's why I was asking is there something that either in a long range plan want to be more specific or in the budget that was proposed be more specific? >> No, the only Well, >> what if we cut? >> For me, one of the things I keep hearing from folks is this maintenance plan. And I wonder how much that's not for you necessarily, but how we can get some of the scope and sequence of how that's going to play out um for um us to understand that. I I I know we have lots of that work that happens. But I think seeing at least in the long term how that will um look going forward will help

180people. And I think our other surveyor said that and his conclusions was you need to establish that 10year plan. >> I just I only think again this is where you sit in limbo because I heard that comment. If there's something you're desiring for me to bring back to you that'd be a tremendous amount of work in the next week. We've also spent time with the facility committee over the last little bit identifying those and this is a comprehensive plan. Is there something you're specifically looking for or is that more of an item for longer? know that we have that you know specifically we don't necessarily hear that um as at the board table the the meeting >> Dwayne some I mean what would be helpful to me as we come back with question one okay

181if there's a concise way instead of going back and finding slides and summaries that okay that question one the survey had this kind of support and it addressed the committee's primary goals of high school security, safety, those kind. So, so we have a concise tie in that I'm sure we would do in a bond question or in a a bond program. But question two, the same way. How how does that address? what does that highly or does that represent the community's recommendation and does it follow up with the the survey information if we can have that in some kind of concise so I don't have to go look for slides and go through and find okay I think that's what happened over there I think that's what was said here and we jumped around and

182looked at some of that tonight but just to have that summary of how that tied in >> and then um that that would be very helpful to me. >> Okay. >> So, Jeff, you're talking about like the community meetings and then when we had the stuff at the um museum and then our survey, right? >> Well, Sherry hit on it here earlier. She looked up and found that the key things from their community group was um dealing with a new high school or renovated high school >> safety >> and security and safety in our elementary schools. So concisely state that as a part of community work and community survey. So I have that clearly understood that that meets that goal. Question two was this you know a high recommendation of the community for the elementary

183to move to the Eisenhower site and did the survey response follow that too >> for the middle school? So you're talking you're talking about ballot question one and ballot question two. Thanks Jeff. Okay. >> Okay. So so that I can tie back to all the work we've been doing. >> Y >> but not confuse it with the financial part or the the the part that we just have been wrestling with here. We know financially what we need to do, but we also want I want it clearly on the facilities questions that we are responding to community group and survey >> that this would identify that >> and then um some of the other factors they were saying the affordability or the repair or the maintenance things will will that address some of those within that

184>> that would be helpful for me to see that in a s in a summary. So if just so I'm clear, uh question one is a new high school with elementary safety and security. >> You were adjusting tonight. Does that >> and and the um you know the the one part of that that's not going to tie back to any committee meeting or survey is the uh paying off the >> but that does tie to where they talked about being fiscally [clears throat] responsible >> and maintenance. So that was a key. So you just make those connections in this committee meeting. They really talked about this as being a priority and this survey said that was a priority discussion. >> That's pretty easy to do. >> Yeah. I have a really quick question and again

185this is how I process. I'm sorry. We talked about we want to put in safe and secure entrances into our schools. But that is going to we're going to have to reconfigure some of the layout inside of the school. So how do we do that and disrupt other parts of the school if we're not going to go back and fix the schools? We're only putting that in. So, we're moving classrooms, changing it, we're repurposing space. Is that going to affect the classrooms because we're not reconfiguring the whole school like we planned if we don't put all of the elementarymentaries into question one? >> Yeah, I think that I thought about that. So, in the in with Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Washington, Washington has a secure entrance is ready to go. So, we're really talking about Lincoln

186and Roosevelt. You have Eisenhower, you know, the middle school. Uh I I've identified two classrooms that would be made into administration in that secure entrance and that's that dollar amount that was shown to do that. >> So now we've lost two classrooms that could be utilized and we're not going to go back and replace those two classrooms cuz we're not doing anything to the elementary building. >> Figured into the the capacity analysis. Yeah. So I think I've I've figured that out into that capacity analysis. So I can make that connection for you and show you how that would work. >> Yeah. >> Is that reflected in the potential classroom sizes that was in that slideshow? >> Classroom sizes or numbers? You mean >> numbers? Numbers. >> Numbers. Yeah, I believe it is. The number of

187sections. So those are factored in regards to >> and you're talking class sizes as far as headc count, right? >> Yeah. >> But I want to be clear about it. So I will make sure I come back with that detail to make sure and if I have it earlier I'll send it to somebody's point last time try to get this information to you before the board meeting >> that's helpful and will you be tasked or will be tasked with that comparison of the four elementaryaries. So just so we see currently classroom and what was part of that slide that did not reflect Eisenhower that we looked at. I will add that with Dwayne to make sure that you know that information. >> Yep. >> I'd like to give you another challenge. >> I also have

188one. >> If you make the 19 million available to make the Eisenhower 6A middle school, what does that leave for everybody else? To me, that is the key in our whole scenario of being fiscally responsible and utilizing our buildings to the utmost. And like you said, you're going to get a new middle school for 19 million bucks. >> Mhm. >> If that means the high school and the secure safety stuff has to be second and put on the second question on the ballot, I'm for that cuz I see that all related. We cannot live with three or four or five years more of losing that economic savings from the middle school. That's my number one thing. >> So I just want to name one thing. We've been coalesing around the two options. We're about to

189close and then this gets thrown out there. Is that the will of the board for Dwayne and us to explore that? >> I I love that bill, but we need a high school. That's the most pressing thing that our community has been dealing with for the last 6 years. Um, and then we need a middle school. >> I go back to his first exit was 42 million for the high school. >> That's where that long >> you had 19 of that. That's 64 million. >> That long range plan is where we have these guard rails and increments I think planned out. Um it would be great if we had all of the financial resources and capacity to do everything right now. >> If we're tying back to >> what the community >> key things of

190the community >> in that work they did not identify or they pushed back and said no brand new middle school only renovated or reconfigured building. >> Mhm. But high school was still priority one. So I don't think we should be asking you to redesign and take 20 million off the high school and try to add it into a middle school. We we've got to commit to that high school. We've known for years that's our most problematic. I agree, Bill. I don't want to run the middle school, but if we have to go there a few more years, and if it wasn't successful on the second question, then let's come back after a successful first question at a nice high school and ask again. >> Yeah. With a good maintenance schedule. Yeah. And roofs. Well, like

191it or not, the face of the community to most people is the high school because that's where they go for activities. >> It is. >> And like it or not, you don't have to like it, but I think it's true, particularly for the older generation without kids >> ball games. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Chelsea, did you have something for Dwayne? >> I was just going to task you with doing the pros and cons and coming up with your recommendation, not including the long range plan. Take that out of the picture. I want your recommendation on a building to close. >> I believe that's in the the pros and cons I sent today. >> Those are in collaboration with Dwayne right there. If you're if you don't I think the way I said it was if you

192do not look at feedback directly that I haven't didn't print off but those pros and cons right just to be clear from the pros and cons if you were fundamentally looking at closing the building exclusively for the purposes of which building it was it'd be different based on if doing so in isolation >> but that's what the discussion has been is that it's not in isolation it's in a long-term plan that's all together from the >> in the process. >> This was in collaboration with the worry about the middle school. >> This would be the >> So we have multiple long range >> and financial sensitivity we have some hair over we know in our next meeting to hear they don't get >> that's why I wanted it said out loud because the community doesn't

193get to see can the community see it. I mean, I don't know why they couldn't. Uh, Ch, I have a wonder and I wonder if it's the will of the board because we're kind of all over the place, but I do wonder if there's a very highlevel uh plan B that might be presented to this board for Eisenhower in the event that question two does not um pass at the ballot so that we know so that we can squelch the idea that well, what are we going to do now? No, we already we have a plan. >> That's good. >> I think that that would be helpful if you could work on that. And I'm not saying you have that done by Monday and I think it could be very high level. >> I can

194work on that. >> Okay. Thank you. Does Does everybody else agree that that would be helpful? >> Sure. >> Storm shelters. Any consensus on storm shelters? Yeah. The schools. >> We want them. We don't want to pay for them. >> Yeah. I mean, we want them. We want our kids to have a place to go. Um, but I don't I don't if you come back to the plan on the 89.5 where we're staying close to what we have Wayne and our roofs are getting taken care of. >> That's where the money would go is working for maintenance is where that money would go. >> Our community is hopeful that we will care well for what we they are investing in. >> Okay, that's the direction I need. >> Okay. I think I think as you

195attach the community feedback that'll show up. >> Dwayne, thank you for being on this journey with us. >> Pleasure. >> You're pretty levelheaded guy and that's helpful. >> The most unique situation under every one of us. >> You're a politician. >> No, it's true. It's a true story. Well, as we wrap up, we seemingly can go for a fair amount of time. So, a reminder that we have the handout. Um, have conversations as you already are doing. Um, we're back here on the ETH. um get the information, questions that you're thinking of as you continue to review and percolate so that we can have some uh plan discussion um and votes [snorts] um for approval on the 8th. Um so >> and these could really help us. So Lar, I just wanted to kind of

196point out I think it because we have so many things happening at once. We're working with a deficit, we're working with a building closure, and we're working with a bond. Lots of folks are in there kind of addressing two things that that the thought exchange um is really to help us get clarity about inside the 8.9 89.5 million is my understanding. So, just to kind of reiterate that for the thought exchange, really what's important to you with the bond, right? Um, the other things, it's not that we don't appreciate people's thoughts in there, but that's not really what we're needing that thought exchange for is the board. >> I haven't had to take a look at noon. >> No, that's a regular 6:00 meeting. >> Switch. So just sharing with people like, hey, what's important

197to you about the bond is fascinating. >> That's what we're that's what we're looking for. >> And so this has a time limit here Friday >> on the 7th as you're communicating with folks this Sunday. So this is timesensitive. That doesn't mean we won't use the communication tool with other work that we have, but this is timesensitive. So with that I'll call the meeting. >> Thank you all. truly just one person. far.